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Audio!![]

Would you tell me why you dab the story Revenge of the Nestene as a short story? It's clearly an audio. --DCLM 21:44, March 26, 2020 (UTC)

Vandalism[]

Could you please do something about User:Connorguy and User:DoneNothingWrong. They continuously insert false information based on speculation and they are consistently edit warring as a result. I have tried multiple times now to warn them, but they continue the tirade. The "speculation" was originally inserted by User:Cynical Classicist. --DCLM 22:38, March 26, 2020 (UTC)

I did not originally post the information. Someone else did, and once you removed it another user added it back. I, a third user, believed that the information was valid enough to be on the page (and since then a fourth user has also contributed). This puts you at odds with several members - if you felt that the information was wrong / false you should have started a discussion on the talk page (like I suggested). However, you continued to repeatedly remove the information despite being asked to stop. Connorguy 22:43, March 26, 2020 (UTC)
Incorrect. The only 3 users who consistently inserted it were all new members unfamiliar with a large portion of how this wiki works; that's you, DoneNothingWrong and Cynical Classicist. The only other user, who apparently don't realize this is pure speculation (and therefore not allowed), was User:NateBumber, who also simply expanded upon this. Also you apparently didn't read my comment above, which even said who the original "creator" of the content was. I'm not the one supposed to start up a discussion on whether this shouldn't be there. It's you people who need to start a discussion on whether it SHOULD be there. -DCLM 22:50, March 26, 2020 (UTC)
I am not a new member. Unfortunately I have lost the credentials to my original account, although I haven't been interested in the show until the recent Russel T. Davies material was released - so recreated today. I am familiar with "a large portion of how this wiki works". There's a big difference between "speculation" and heavy "implication". Connorguy 22:53, March 26, 2020 (UTC)
I wasn't going to comment, but since Danniesen has name-dropped me above, I feel obligated to add that I very strongly dispute his characterisation of Special:Diff/2865071 as "false information based on speculation". The edit had two halves: a short but serviceable summary of the story (which I was particularly happy to see, since so many of our pages lack summaries); and a "Behind the scenes" note about the connection to Boris Johnson. While Boris' name is not explicitly given in text (hence why Cynical Classicist correctly placed it in a real-world "Behind the scenes" section rather than an in-universe section like "References", where discussion of prominent off-site speculation is absolutely allowed), with how the story is written, Russell T Davies' intention is very clear, especially considering his previous comments concerning Johnson as a political figure. This has been noticed by countless commentators on Twitter, GallifreyBase, Reddit, and every other Doctor Who community the sun touches, so it would be completely negligent of our wiki to not at least mention it.
When Danniesen reverted Classical Cynicist's edit and dismissed it as "false info" -- and then when he did the same thing another 3 times -- he removed not just the bit about Boris but also the very valuable, and by no means "false", story summary. This was done so repeatedly and so quickly that no one even noticed MystExplorer dodging in and adding the same content in the "Notes" section! I have since tried to do my part in diffusing the edit war by re-adding the summary and combining the two explanations of the Boris link, complete with a source from the RadioTimes; but I completely sympathize with the frustration of Connorguy and DoneNothingWrong in this scenario. – N8 (/👁️) 00:07, March 27, 2020 (UTC)
Funny how some speculative content is allowed while other speculative content isn't. (by the way, nothing wrong with the story summary, that was fine). Just saying. --DCLM 09:04, March 27, 2020 (UTC)
If there was nothing wrong with the story summary, why did you remove it four times and describe the edit (in this section header) as vandalism? I think how the wiki treats speculation makes perfect sense: for an illustrative example, see The Woman (The End of Time). We do not speculate on her identity in the in-universe portion of the page, but in the real-world “behind the scenes” section, we freely discuss potential identities. – N8 (/👁️) 13:07, March 27, 2020 (UTC)
Because I didn't see the summary. I only saw the speculation. Also, if speculation is allowed in BTS sections, please tell me why speculation in BTS sections have consistently been removed in the past. This is exactly like sticking out some rules that everyone must follow, then someone else comes along and go against these rules, and everyone praises that, leaving the one actually following said rules feeling immensely dumb. --DCLM 13:14, March 27, 2020 (UTC)
As I've said, there's a difference between speculation and heavy implication. If only one user was speculating something, with no real evidence to back it up, then of course it would not be allowed. However, in this instance the wording is specific enough to be universally agreed as to who it was referencing (just look at the comments on the audio version of the story on YouTube - half the comments are about Boris Johnson) then it should be. Xx-connor-xX 13:18, March 27, 2020 (UTC)
Regarding past removals, maybe it’s because of the lack of a source/citation for the speculation? Idk, give me some examples of what you’re talking about. I’m not an admin but I’ll go to bat for you if something was improperly removed. – N8 (/👁️) 13:21, March 27, 2020 (UTC)

Time War volumes[]

I've just moved the The Eighth Doctor: Time War volumes to their new titles, but upon checking Special:WhatLinksHere, I've... decided that maybe it's best to ask SV7 a bit of help - I'm sure they'll have more fun moving the links than I would :p So, when you have the time, could you run the bot to change:

(and, as I said in Talk:The Eighth Doctor: Time War: Volume Three I'm on the opinion that only volumes 1 and 2 should keep the old names as redirects; I've only kept the volume 3 as a redirect for now until we get the links done) - thought do let me know if you disagree. OncomingStorm12th (talk) 23:11, April 3, 2020 (UTC)

Oh I didn't realise that {{TWS}} hadn't "ripple-effected" yet; usually the links change fairly quickly. Yeah, the changing on the marketing was unusual, but everyone I saw assumed they did it to match the Gallifrey: Time War releases (after all, they incorporated its logo) - and now we get all 8TW sets with the Whittaker-era logo, so that's two wins. But anyway, thanks for doing the changes (and thank SV7 as well). OncomingStorm12th (talk) 16:01, April 4, 2020 (UTC)
Let's do the Time War again: Category:The Eighth Doctor: The Time War and it's subcategories were never changed from The Eighth Doctor: The Time War to The Eighth Doctor: Time War (sans the The) - so if SV7 still has some spare batteries... OncomingStorm12th (talk) 16:07, April 4, 2020 (UTC)
Hmm, if you (and SV7 as well) would allow me, I think I found another task for them. There's quite a few pages that are categorised [directly] as Category:Audio cast stubs, but don't use {{audio cast stub}}. If they could remove the category and add the template, it'd be amazing. :) OncomingStorm12th (talk) 16:52, April 10, 2020 (UTC)

Vandalism on the Vansell page[]

Can you please block this IP user for vandalizing the Vansell article? Thanks! --Jamie248 [ TCE📝 ] 21:38, April 10, 2020 (UTC)

Doctor Who Answers closed[]

Doctor Who Answers has been closed. The new website will go up at http://www.doctorwhoanswers.com/, but right now it's not quite ready because they've not had enough spare time to sink into it. Doctor 25 20:12, April 11, 2020 (UTC)

Charlotte Pollard[]

I began to make a category for Charlotte Pollard short stories, since there's already one for her audio stories, but I began to wonder if it's really necessary. That category was deleted in 2018, and she's only had two boxsets of her own series. Do you think I should create Category:Charlotte Pollard short stories, or should Category:Charlotte Pollard stories be deleted? Danochy 06:44, April 13, 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree with you there. If Charley were to get her own category, then so would the likes of Donna, Rose, and Liv with their recent solo series, and it could start to get a bit much. I'll pop a deletion tag on it now. Danochy 06:58, April 13, 2020 (UTC)

Meta-fictional Doctor Who[]

Hi there. As you're the one who originally created Doctor Who (Remembrance of the Daleks) and formally moved it from its old title of TV series (Remembrance of the Daleks) I'd like to request that it be moved back to that original title.

The reason for this is that when I was still very new to the wiki I modified it to include all references to the Doctor existing in fiction. In doing so, I drew many speculative connections between all the sources that I can now say probably constituted a violation of policy. The Doctor in popular culture and mythology now exists to serve this purpose without speculation and in effect, the Remembrance page has been replaced by Doctor Who (N-Space) which also serves its purpose without speculation. I have already moved all the links to the most appropriate destination page.

If you could also move Category:Doctor Who (Remembrance of the Daleks), Category:Doctor Who (Remembrance of the Daleks) cast, Category:Doctor Who (Remembrance of the Daleks) crew and Category:Doctor Who (Remembrance of the Daleks) stories so that they all instead contain The Thief of Sherwood as a dab term that would be excellent. If it would be easier to just delete the categories and then change them on the individual pages please drop me a message. I'd be more than happy to do the work by hand to correct this mistake.

Thanks for your time, --Borisashton 22:12, April 14, 2020 (UTC)

Hi again. Since posting the above request it has come to my attention that Doctor Who also appeared in COMIC: The (Final) Doctor Who History Tour. To avoid the abominable title of "Doctor Who (The (Final) Doctor Who History Tour)" renaming Doctor Who (N-Space) to have the dab term "N-Space" seems like the best option. As well as avoiding the aforementioned name, readers will also immediately realise the scope of the article, that is the programme of Doctor Who as it exists within N-Space.
As such, the categories should be moved to Category:Doctor Who (N-Space) et cetera while the move of Doctor Who (Remembrance of the Daleks) to TV series (Remembrance of the Daleks) remains unaffected. Thanks for your help in this matter, --Borisashton 21:13, April 20, 2020 (UTC)

Check on[]

Hello, User:SOTO. I just wanted to stop by and check how you were doing in these trying times of self-isolation?BananaClownMan 09:50, April 16, 2020 (UTC)

Annuals, non-fiction, non-DWU[]

While you are obviously correct in saying that Men Who Made History and its ilk should be in the category Category:Doctor Who Annual non-fiction, I think you were hasty in telling User:ToyStoryFan123 that "puzzles and features" go there. There are features in Annuals which are also fiction, though they are not narrative (The Dalek Dictionary, for example) and thus go in Category:Non-DWU features, and there are wholly narrative puzzles and games; something like this or this may not be valid due to fourth-wall-breaking and/or branching story elements, but it's hardly "non-fiction". Cheers!--Scrooge MacDuck 10:04, April 18, 2020 (UTC)

Page moves[]

Hi, if it's not too much trouble could you please move the following pages:

ThalesMorgan Thales
Grace KellyGrace Kelly (song)
Vega (Vanderdeken's Children)Thorn Vega
BanhamCharles Banham
Collins (Casualties of War)Joey Collins
Miguel Gonzalez's fatherMiguel Gonzalez' father
Miguel Gonzalez's motherMiguel Gonzalez' mother
Vera Juarez's brotherVera Juarez' brother
Vera Juarez's ex-husbandVera Juarez' ex-husband
Kadoguchi-roshiKadoguchi
Black (Vincent and the Doctor)Henry Black
Alex RomanovAlexei Romanov
SelbySelby (A Merry Little Christmas)
Steve (Infamy of the Zaross)Steve Thomas
Thannos SystemThannos system
Barry WhittakerBarry Whitaker
De WinterDe Winter (Dumb Waiter)

All pretty self-explanatory stuff, but I've explained the reasons in more detail on the talk page of each and the links are already moved. I know it's kind of a lot to drop in your lap, but I just don't want people to keep encountering the redlinks when they should be able to get to the pages themselves instead. Thanks! Toqgers 00:09, April 22, 2020 (UTC)

Page rename request[]

If possible, Eaglemoss Publications Ltd should be renamed to "Eaglemoss Collections" when you have the time. I went through and did some digging, the actual company "Eaglemoss Publications Ltd" was dissolved in 2016, with the US Eaglemoss FAQ stating that they're owned by "Eaglemoss Capital Ltd", which was incorporated in 2015, the page can simply note the name change occurred without getting into the actual corporate shenanigans. This change will hopefully allow for less "you need to link to the particular imprint publishing the thing" issues for <removed per T:SPOIL>.The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.194.244.165 (talk).

Rosita[]

Hey there SOTO! Would you mind tackling a move of Rosita (The Next Doctor) to Rosita Farisi, on account of the surname finally being corroborated by a valid source (The Time Lord Letters)? Pretty happy to see that one settled! :D Thanks for your time and take care. Toqgers 03:53, May 1, 2020 (UTC)

ClemWasLoomed[]

This user is adding memes from the Facebook group TARDISposting to this wiki and it’s not the vandalism I mind so much as why couldn’t they add memes from somewhere actually funny. I imagine the vandalism is the part you’ll be more concerned about though. NightmareofEden 13:53, May 5, 2020 (UTC)

A couple of technical things[]

Hi there, not sure if you're the best admin to ask about this stuff but hopefully you can point me in the right direction if not.

Can you make the "|reprint" variable in {{Infobox Story}} stop automatically linking? I'm planning to add It's Even Bigger on the Inside to the infoboxes of Doctor Who? stories and the best way I can think of doing that is by typing out: It's Even Bigger on the Inside{{!}}''It's Even Bigger on the Inside''. Or is there a way just to bypass it?

Also, the "|WithThanksTo" variable in {{wales crew}} needs to be expanded to "|WithThanksTo17" to account for all the thanking in The Curse of Fatal Death.

Aside from all the above, Sea Devil (Doctor Who?) needs deleting and I have continued the discussion at Talk:DG (Doctor Who?). Much thanks, --Borisashton 16:58, May 30, 2020 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! If it's not too much trouble could I also trouble you with renaming Tom Baker (Ever Wondered What Happened At.. The Auditions For The Seven Doctors?) to Tom Baker (Doctor Who?)? I mistakenly believed that Baker appeared in Ever Wondered but he doesn't which means the dab does not represent his first appearance or even his first mention. Thanks again, --Borisashton 11:08, June 3, 2020 (UTC)

Another Vandal[]

Hi SOTO, could you please block 86.31.40.129? They have inserted vandalism into at least two pages. Thanks! Never Forget The Day The 456 Arrived 22:29, June 2, 2020 (UTC)

A confirmation on the forum[]

Hullo! Some minor drama has been unfolding at Thread:212365, "Sequels/prequels to invalid stories". Could you pop over confirm my impression that you intend to close it some time soon, and are simply putting in the time to have a full and well-argued closing argument? User:Shambala108 appears to fear that the other admins might be leaving her to handle all the closures on her own, and recent user User:Epsilon the Eternal (among others!) was, as is often the case, asking quite impatiently "why the thread cas still open"… A reassurance that a closure from you is forthcoming might help greatly, I feel. --Scrooge MacDuck 16:14, June 3, 2020 (UTC)

Talking to an IP address[]

Can you have a talk with 52.168.128.46? A lot of their edits aren't exactly appropriate for this wiki. I would have already done so, but I figured it would be overstepping my bounds as a regular user. Najawin 21:43, June 8, 2020 (UTC)

Using Autoblock to defeat trolls?[]

Hi SOTO, hope you're doing well. So, I was scrolling through the block list recently, and noticed autoblock, and came up with an idea. I'm sure you're aware of the mass trolling done by a few nazis (or one nazi with sockpuppets) a couple days ago. I was wondering if there was a way to code the autoblock so it blocks certain words? (like slurs, nazi dogwhistle 1488, etc) Never Forget The Day The 456 Arrived 17:30, June 9, 2020 (UTC)

How do you edit the leaderboard appearance for Rassilon badges? Thanks. I pushed the wrong button (This is literally my signature)

Categories[]

So looking at the categories for reasoning, logic, mathematics and science, I feel like they could do with some reshuffling in relation to each other. But I figured it would be best to ask you about procedure here before I did anything. Normally we wouldn't place either logic or mathematics as branches of science (my rewrite would be to group all of them as branches of reasoning, then that under reason, then that under concepts, but science also stands alone under the time space visualizer), but I wouldn't want to go in and change how the wiki handles things there haphazardly, and since you added logic to the science category I just wanted to get your take on it. I understand that they might be taken to be so similar for the purposes of this wiki that they're just grouped together, even if it's not technically correct. Hence why I'm asking. Najawin 00:17, June 17, 2020 (UTC)

Categories 2[]

Thanks for removing the category "currency from the real world" from Skrätch Marks, as I didn't notice that I mistakenly added it. :D Epsilon the Eternal 02:41, June 20, 2020 (UTC)

Exography[]

On Category:Science it says that there shouldn't be any individual pages. That's why I moved it out. Apologies for doing so twice, I figured that I missed it the first time when it popped back up and forgot about it. But that's why I'm going through and doing a mass purge of individual articles in that category, it's specifically saying that individual pages shouldn't be there. Najawin 05:56, June 21, 2020 (UTC)

Dear lord that did not link properly. Najawin 05:57, June 21, 2020 (UTC)

Hiding Gallery button[]

Thank you very much, I'm terribly sorry, I didn't realize the gallery button must be hidden at all times. I will try get to it in the morning but if I don't, there's a page that still has the gallery button visible: https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Character_Options_action_figures Thank you again and I'll try to be more vigilant in the future! DoctorQuoi 05:09, June 24, 2020 (UTC)DoctorQuoi

Korean Wiki Closure[]

So a few days ago User:DiSoRiEnTeD1 noticed "random letterings" on Rose Tyler and removed it. This was a link to the Korean Wiki that was broken, and so had appeared as just a dead hyperlink at the bottom of the page, as I pointed out at Talk:Rose Tyler, because the Korean Wiki has been closed. Since then I've kept my eye out on pages to see if this was a massive problem, and while it's not, a few pages, like Doctor Who and Clara Oswald still have dead Korean links. Most pages, including most pages you'd expect to be translated (like, for example, pages for companions or incarnations of the Doctor) do not have these links, but it seems that there are going to be some throughout the site. As a regular user I'm unable to systemically search for them to my knowledge. If an admin has the ability to mass delete links to another website, or we could get a bot to remove these dead links, that would probably be the best course of action. Najawin 08:09, June 24, 2020 (UTC)

Cyber-pages[]

Hello. I see you've given a ruling on The ArcHive Tapes discussion. Now that that is resolved, could you please restore the long-deleted pages CyberTelosian and CyberNeomorph. In addition, CyberMondasian as I recall had a history before being deleted and ultimately recreated as a redirect to CyberMondan. I believe it would be useful to restore that history and possibly useful content within. --MrThermomanPreacher 08:18, June 25, 2020 (UTC)

The Eternal Summer (Audio) Slight Problem[]

Hey SOTO, hope you're doing well. I finished "The Eternal Summer" and it is an absolute gem! There's one little thing I wanted some help on. In the story, Maxwell and the Doctor have a scene where Maxwell references the TV trope where a stupid character says something stupid which inspires the smart character to figure out the solution, inspired by the dumb idea. I know they make fun of this in this particular story but it's actually a pretty common Doctor Who trope. Which leads me to two questions:

1) I added this to the "Notes" section, is that appropriate? Otherwise, where should it be added because I do think it's important to mention...?

2) I was trying to remember an example off the top of my head and I remembered that scene from one of the Second Doctor stories where Jamie suggests an idea and the Doctor realizes that it was actually brilliant and says to Jamie "No Jamie, it's an idea that only you could have though of!" and Jamie goes "Aye!... Eh?" in a charming confused and not sure if he should feel insulted sort-of-way. Anyway do you remember which episode it was (it's definitely not The Underwater Menace, not referring to the scene where the Doctor runs away with Victoria when Jamie has an idea haha), I can't remember if it was "The Dominators" of "The Krotons". I'm like 99% sure it's the Dominators and that's what I added to the notes but just in case I'm wrong I thought I should run it past you first.

Also, it is mentioned that Dudley's child was aborted in one of his flashbacks (not explicitly but HEAVILY implied and it did turn out to be false in the end as a test by Jane but still it's there in some capacity). I don't feel I have the right/enough finesse to make that page (or at least I can't find it if it already exists) since it is a touchy subject, would you be able to create it instead so I can add the link on the Eternal Summer page? Cheers! DoctorQuoi 06:36, July 2, 2020 (UTC)DoctorQuoi

Short Trips anthologies[]

Hi, I hope you're doing well. Now this is a bit of a long shot, as it happened seven years ago, but I noticed you added some specific dates to the various Short Trips series, such as here: Special:Diff/1541669. Would you happen to have any idea where you might have sourced that from? I'm asking because, after searching the web archives of the old Big Finish website, I've come across various release dates which don't correspond to those dates. For example, you can find my citation for a date of that same release over at 16 June (releases) (the date is given on the sidebar of the sourced web page).

My guess is that maybe my date is when they are shipped out from BF directly, and yours were the dates they were released in stores? Either way, not really expecting you to remember something from that long ago, just wanted your thoughts on the matter. Thanks, Danochy 06:45, July 6, 2020 (UTC)

T:SPOIL issue[]

As I see you just edited the relevant spoilered page, could I trouble you to come correct the T:SPOIL violation at Talk:List of recurring Doctor Who concepts not owned by the BBC#Any other characters?? I believe it would not be appropriate for a non-admin to edit another poster's message.

Of course, if you chime in there on the subject of the actual conversation (there and about the T:POINT issue at Thread:279761, whose OP admitted they "had no new evidence" but refuses to stop the conversation until an admin steps in to point that out), that'd be lovely. But T:SPOIL is the most urgent order of business.--Scrooge MacDuck 13:12, July 28, 2020 (UTC)

Cute, but the spoilers were already removed long ago. DiSoRiEnTeD1 13:18, July 28, 2020 (UTC)
Were they? You didn't say you had. Apologies to SOTO for bringing them out-of-date information, then. The side-issues remain, mind. We're all very eager for admin opinions in both discussions, both on the actual issues and on the pressing T:POINT concern.
(Though DiSoRiEnTeD1, what do you mean, "cute"? (Note: please reply to me on my talk page, not on here. Admin talk-pages are not to be crowded with messages addressed to other people than the admins.))--Scrooge MacDuck 13:41, July 28, 2020 (UTC)
When you have the free time, you swinging by the talk page and the thread to resolve the issues would be great, it's been a month since anybody commented. With the thread at least it's an incredibly open and shut case once an admin actually takes the time to read all of it. Najawin 20:30, August 30, 2020 (UTC)

Escape Games[]

So Thread:245019 said that when we have a third escape game we should create a new category for them. Well, The Hollow Planet (escape game) (which I will be creating shortly) has been created, so it seems like that should happen? The issue is that it's not a traditional escape game. Even while not having played it, the instructions and needed materials make that clear. Should I go ahead and create the category anyhow, or does this merit a panopticon thread? Najawin 03:06, August 16, 2020 (UTC)

Concerning Vandalism[]

So the user did a bunch of page moves and vandalism on User:Shambala108's stuff, which I didn't revert. Just letting you know. Najawin 04:26, September 6, 2020 (UTC)

UCP + Recent Wiki Activity[]

So since you're around and editing, I figured I'd just let you know that I found a script that might be useful to us when we transfer to the UCP if we want a workaround to the fact we're losing Special:WikiActivity. It's still in beta, and seems to have some bugs as a result, but might be worth looking into. Scrooge suggested I hand it off to you, so there you are. Najawin 04:43, November 10, 2020 (UTC)

Vandalism on Bliss[]

Bridget Sinclair keeps vandalizing the page Bliss (Love & Monsters) today by keeping attempting to add an image that was a duplicate to another and possibly some unnecessary content to the page I'm not aware of yet. Cool11guy12 17:01, November 10, 2020 (UTC)

Locations outside the universe[]

Why did you undo all my edits related to this category? Is the category itself a bad one or does it for some reason not belong on those pages? --NightmareofEden 12:06, November 21, 2020 (UTC)

I was thinking it may have been a redundant category, but then you also removed it from the sub-category. It definitely applies to everything I added it to, so could it maybe be the name is too subjective? Would "locations outside N-Space" be better? --NightmareofEden 12:20, November 21, 2020 (UTC)


OK, last point. I’ve also tried using the categories “parallel universes”, “pocket universes”, and “other realities” instead. I’m avoiding “locations outside the universe” entirely for now. Is this any better? Also note I was unaware you created the category when I sent the last two messages, but am aware now. --NightmareofEden 12:32, November 21, 2020 (UTC)

Help on the Welsh Wiki[]

Hello there, I've been trying to get the Welsh Tardis Wiki more active but there's something that's getting in my way and disparaging me. On Tardis Cymraeg, I've been unable to upload images at all for a very long time. It started to get to me and so I left the Wiki for a while. I'm not someone who knows their way around the clever stuff in the background so wondered if you'd do me a favour and have a look?

Also, less important, do you know how I can change the "desktop theme" to match this Wiki's? It's so hard on the eye over there with a sharp white background. The yellow text is in place for the links but the redlinks are still red. Any chance you could take a peek at that too?

Anything you can do to help would be much appreciated. If you're too busy, I completely understand. I just feel it's a shame that we have a minority language Wiki that I'm finding hard to blossom.

Thanks for your time. TheFartyDoctor Talk 04:01, November 22, 2020 (UTC)

Possible sock puppetry?[]

Hi SOTO. I hope you are well. I was just wondering if there was a particular process for reporting a possible case of sock puppetry? I feel bad for "snitching" , but I have noticed for a third time a user who only ever edits when a particular user is blocked and their edits are very similar. I didn't say anything the first two times because the user is not a vandal and doesn't seem to have any malicious intent, but I feel I have to say something after a third occurrence. LauraBatham 05:27, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Page to be removed[]

World Enough and Time Plot hole needs to be removed. Best, hope you're well and sorry if this is redundant, DoctorQuoi 21:15, 29 November 2020 (UTC)DoctorQuoi

Doctor== Unit prison ==


why was my page marked for deletion as I believe I've followed the rules correct me if I am wrong pls. Ser0slug

Images and Editing and Sandboxes[]

Hi SOTO, I hope you are doing well in this pandemic and you're not too stressed out, especially with the platform "upgrade". I had some quick questions. Firstly with regards to images, is it ok to add images to the wiki again? I haven't yet for fear of causing you a bigger headache than necessary. I have some toy images and some comic images and some other images to add to pages but I just would prefer to have your approval first. I added an image to TV: Fury from the Deep' that is a screen capture from the Bluray but the interface doesn't ask you for the licensing tag wen you upload it like before. Is this a known problem or is it just me being silly and not seeing things I should? I would also like to start editing my sandboxes since I have some new audios I will be listening to and want to add plots to their respective pages in the coming holiday weeks. Is this ok as well? Najawin helped me find my missing sandbox pages but I'm worried that something will go wrong if I try to use them since the changeover. Cheers, DoctorQuoi 06:22, 4 December 2020 (UTC)DoctorQuoi

Confidential/Declassified crew[]

Hi SOTO, I recently finished adding the crew to all Confidential episodes and I want to start on Declassified, but I was thinking that really they both should have a crew template like all the other Wales-era shows. I understand that you maintain the Wales crew template and was wondering if you could make a similar one for Confidential/Declassified crew?

Thank you in advance. Doc77can 16:27, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi, me again, I've included a list of every credit (and variation thereof) from every CON/Greatest Moments episode with the maximum number of people credited in a single episode next to it. I hope this can make it easier for you to make a crew template for me. May I suggest calling it WalesBTS.
  • Graphics - 1
  • Space Images - 1
  • The Eleventh Doctor arriving Spring 2010
  • Location Director - 1
  • Camera - 13
  • Camera Assistant - 1
  • Sound - 12
  • Underwater Camera Operator - 1
  • Underwater Camera Assistant - 1
  • Thanks to - 2
  • Cyfle Trainee - 1
  • Runner(s) - 5
  • Artist Contracts - 1
  • Copyright Contracts - 1
  • Edit Assistant(s) - 2
  • Junior Researcher - 1
  • Researcher(s) - 5
  • Assistant Producer(s) - 3
  • Additional Archive - 1
  • Production Secretary - 1
  • Production Team Assistant(s) 3
  • Production Accountant - 1
  • Team Assistant - 1
  • Production Co-ordinator(s) - 2
  • Post Production Co-ordinator - 1
  • Production Manager(s) - 2
  • Production Executive - 1
  • Insert Director(s) - 4
  • Insert Editor(s) - 6
  • Programme Editor - 1
  • Editor(s) - 6
  • Additional Editing - 2
  • Additional Directing - 1
  • Colourist(s) - 2
  • Online Editor(s) - 2
  • Dubbing - 1
  • Dubbing Mixer - 1
  • Offline Editor(s) - 2
  • Producer/Director - 1
  • Titles - 1
  • Titles & Graphics - 1
  • Countdown Graphics - 1
  • Title Music Arrangement - 2
  • Titles Music - 1
  • Title Music - 1
  • Executive Producer for Dr Who at the Proms - 1
  • Executive Producers for Dr Who - 4
  • Executive Producer - 1
  • Edit Producer(s) - 2
  • Edit Producer & Additional Editing - 1
  • Producer & Editor - 1
  • Producer(s) - 2
  • Directed by - 1
  • Senior Producer - 1
  • Series Producer - 1
  • Produced & Directed by - 1

Not sure what to do with the extra credits from Music and Monsters (CON episode):

  • Concert Production Team
  • Doctor Who Confidential Production Team - 19

Doc77can 02:09, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

K9 and Company[]

Hiya SOTO, I've got a request for you (and SV7) - I need K9 and Company renamed to K9 and Company (TV series), as there is an in-universe source that requires the undabbed page name. I would do it myself, but there is a staggering, overwhelming amount of links leading to the page, so I was wondering if you could please fire up SV7 and change the links?

Oh, and while I'm on subject, the links leading to Dr. Who and the Daleks needs to be changed to Dr. Who and the Daleks (theatrical film), again, due to an in-universe source requiring the dab-less page (namely Dr. Who and the Daleks (Peaceful Thals Ambushed!)). This, of course, is in accordance with T:DAB#Why is it Castrovalva (TV story) and not Castrovalva (city)?.

01:06, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Trans redirect[]

In reply to your deletion summary: ah, fair enough. I was hesitant myself upon deciding to make it a redirect rather than delete it outright, for much the reason you state — but had felt it better to retain it because there was some minor brouhaha on Twitter a little while ago, making fun of the Wiki for not having a page on the very concept of which it was (in the regrettable affairs you'll recall) once accused. I am fairly certain this was what sparked the creation of the page.

This is an explanation of my perhaps questionable choice, to be clear; not an argument against your overturning thereof. You're probably right that in the long term, the redirect may do more harm than good.

Either way, it occurs to me we should probably be looking at ways to give a bit more structure to the Transgender page, whether it be to permit the redirect or not. It is a bit weird that the BTS section has multiple subheadings but the in-universe section has none, isn't it? Scrooge MacDuck 01:57, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Rose Tyler discussions tag[]

Hi. I don't know if you can help with this, but it appears that whenever someone tries to tag "Rose Tyler" in a discussion post, the tag changes to "Bimbo". Would you have any idea how to fix it? Thanks. LauraBatham 04:43, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Probable serial spammer[]

There is an IP user on this wiki who keeps creating nonsensical spam pages (typically taking the form of garbled copies of existing valid maintenance pages), and then self-tagging them for deletion. Some examples of pages of that nature include Campfire, Category:Candidates for deletion, Template:Deletetemplate, Template:Stubtemplate, Category:Blocked, and Template:Blocked, amongst many others.

Another common form of vandalism from this user is to take random redlinks from Special:WantedPages, and "fill" them with either a blank page (such as with Campfire) or utter juvenile nonsense (such as with Ascension (Cybermen), and Energy being), or purely real word information with no DWU references (such as with Lamp, Washer, and Sculpture).

Occasionally these will also be self-tagged. A third common form of vandalistic behaviour is to create pages for obviously nonexistent dates, such as immense year numbers or dates with days of a month longer than the number of days actually in the month in question. Typically these will be just a haphazard mess of templates that look like a spambot could have written them (examples here are 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 and 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000), but other times these will get very explicitly vandalistic; such 56 July (people) and 99 November (releases).

Now, I must make clear here that I am not saying these are DEFINITELY all the same vandal, especially considering those last two, particularly the racial slur used in the latter of them, would be very serious accusations to make, being as they are far worse than the usual MO of simply creating nonsense pages that could even be argued to be conceivably well-intentioned yet misguided attempts at created maintenance pages they don't know already exist. However, this argument is somewhat dampened by the fact they KEEP being recreated, which is also the reason I say I BELIEVE (although do not definitively state) that these IPs are the same person. It certainly seems to go beyond reasonable coincidence, so if these aren't the same person we're highly likely dealing with a network of copycats.

What also is possibly noteworthy is that, assuming these are indeed the same person, one of the aforementioned "contentless redlink fillers" they created was on the page Ageing. Now, this may too be a coincidence, but it did very much remind me of a certain wiki called the "Oldsouls" wiki, which I honestly don't quite "get" but apparently is a wiki dedicated to the rather oddball subject of old people, and apparently is a big breeding ground for vandals, which primarily manifests itself on this particular wiki in form of misogynistic trolling directed at Jodie Whittaker.

This is just an observation and not a 100% certainty accusation (especially I as a regular user am unable to see deleted contributions so a lot of this has to be from memory), but the, shall we say, "not traditionally PC views" that has been expressed certain members of that community would seem to fit in with... a certain word used by this user. Like I said, I'm in no position to confirm this, but think it does warrant looking into.

I'm not sure how one would go about blocking a constantly fluctuating IP user, but, then again, I'm not the admin here.

Sorry for how long this message was, and thank you for your time reading this whole thing. NightmareofEden 12:22, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

Navbox help on the Vienna Wiki[]

Hello there, I just wondered whether you could help me with something on the Vienna Wiki? So I've attempted to make my own navbox for the Vienna series but evidently something's failed. I'm not an expert at these things but I wondered whether you could explain to me what else I need to do in order for the navboxes themselves to be visible. I know you're busy, so no pressure, but any help would be really appreciated. I'm always up for learning new things about Fandom/Wikis. Thanks again. TheFartyDoctor Talk 19:20, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Our Ongoing Souncloud Issue[]

Since UCP still does not have support for Soundcloud, and Czech is, politely, busy, much like the change to recent changes I suggested above, there's a plugin that will add in Soundcloud support for the time being, if the admins care to look into it. They plan on disabling it as soon as UCP actually adds back support for Soundcloud, so it's only ever designed as a stop gap. Najawin 18:08, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Fandom's Community Connect 2021[]

Hey SOTO! I'm here to let you know that Fandom sent in some emails to users regarding this year’s virtual Community Connect. You should have received an email with an invite - if you can’t see it, these seem to be hitting a lot of people’s spam folders, so it might be in there. (If you do find it, feel free to RSVP so that they can know whether or not you’ll be able to tune in - as if you can't, we may be able to invite another awesome editor yet).

There should be more information on the email itself, but basically the Connect - which, I have to stress is virtual this year, of course - will be taking place on March 6th and 7th. There’s also a blog post with additional details here: https://community.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Brandon_Rhea/Announcing_Fandom%27s_(Virtual)_Community_Connect_2021

Hope we get to see you in there! ReverieCode 20:09, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Wiki Representative[]

Hi there! My name is Chris, and I will now be your Wiki Representative for this wiki. As before, I'm here to help the community and be a liaison to full-time Fandom staff. If you ever have a question or issue relating to the wiki, editing, etc., please contact me moving forward and I will do my best to assist you.

If you want to add me on Discord I'm at Spongebob456#7402 which is an easy way to reach me - wiki message wall works too! I’m looking forward to working with you! :) --Spongebob456 talk 14:49, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

Invite[]

Hey there!

You likely have seen this already, but if you can check your email associated with your Fandom account (it may be in spam!), you'll hopefully find an invite to join us for The Monthly, a special private Fandom webinar-style event hosted by our Global Community Lead, Will ‘MisterWoodhouse’ Kavanagh. This series will cover important topics affecting the wiki platform on a monthly basis, giving you a briefing on what you need to know from Fandom, with some purely fun stuff as well.

The first edition of The Monthly is this Friday, February 26th with two opportunities to join: 9am and 4pm US Eastern. Future editions of The Monthly will be the final Friday of each month, schedule permitting.

If you have any questions, please let me know! :) --Spongebob456 talk 22:31, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Story References in Leads[]

Hi, I've been digging through TARDIS Wiki's Manual of Style, plus a number of pages concerning editing style/format concerning whether or not story references should exist within page leads, but I've not found anything yet. So I was wondering if, seeing as you're an admin on the wiki, you could answer my query. I've noticed, when editing War Doctor, that a notice in the lead says that story references in the lead should be avoided - which appears to be the general format for a large number of character pages, including the Doctor's other incarnations. But there are also pages, such as Cyberman, which have a pretty huge number of story references in their leads, so I don't know if they should really be there or not. Thalek Prime Overseer 00:18, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

The Monthly - March 26[]

Hey again! Last month we announced that Fandom is doing a monthly admin get together called The Monthly to keep you up to date with the latest Fandom news. The next session will be next week, Friday, March 26.

Last month, you should have received an email about it, with the option to either opt-in or opt-out of receiving invites. If you haven't already, please do dig up the first email and select one of the following options:

  • opt-in will put you on the monthly mailing list, ensuring that you'll get an invite each time. Next week's invite has been sent out!
  • opt-out will take you off the mailing list.

It is known that the links will appear broken when you click on them, but your chosen preference will still be registered.

If you want to let me know which option you chose, that would be great as if you decided to opt out then I will stop messaging you about it. Many thanks! :) --Spongebob456 talk 14:27, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

Job table and crew templates[]

Hello, lately I've been looking into Semantic MediaWiki and the templates Job table and Wales crew. As, judging by the edit history and talk page for Wales Crew, you seem to currently be maintaining this template, I wanted to ask you a few questions related to it.

Firstly, as noted on the page for Wales Crew, a similar template for 'classic' Who has not yet been made. I was wondering if any progress has been made on constructing this template. If not, I would quite like to make it and was wondering if that would be OK. I'm happy to actually make the template and add it to relevant pages. If so, should the relevant fields be added to Wales Crew or should a new template be made? The TV Movie's crew has been made to work with the template and so doing the same with 'classic' Who seems reasonable. However, it would make the template's name quite inaccurate.

Additionally, could similar templates for stories in other mediums such as audio, prose, comics, webcasts, home video and games be made? It seems amiss that we have such a comprehensive database for TV stories yet not any others. Bongo50 (aka Bongolium500) 18:01, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi, I just wanted to remind you about this in case you saw it and then forgot to respond or something similar as it has been over a month and I've seen you reply to other talk page messages. Thank you in advance. Bongo50 (aka Bongolium500) 07:25, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

FandomDesktop migration[]

Hey there! We are due to migrate this wiki very soon to FandomDesktop and I need to help get a light theme ready. Apologies for the short notice of this, there were some unforeseen circumstances.

It would be great to work with the entire admin team to get the wiki ready for FandomDesktop. Have you been using the new skin? I'm going to start some preparation tomorrow and it would be great to work with the admin team on this. We may need to:

  • Adjust the theme on light theme
  • Adjust templates
  • Adjust CSS/JS
  • and more potentially.

If you have any suggestions for how we can collaborate, please let me know. I wondered if a forum thread on Forum:Index might work? Please let me know if you have any questions, and I look forward to hearing from you! --Spongebob456 talk 18:47, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Bot help[]

Hey, how have you been? I know you're not editing as regularly these days, and iirc your bot was not operational last time we talked, but it that still true now? If it is active, there's some stuff that I could use SV7's help with. As you've probably noticed, we've started splitting some Time Lord pages into separate incarnation pages. For this reason, there's some templates which are no longer necessary, and can be put to rest once the links are moved (taking the nuances of {{Name}} --> [[new Name]], {{Name|c}} --> [[New Name]] and {{Name|n="something"}} --> [[New Name|something]] of course). These would (currently) be:

  • {{O'Mara}} into [[First Rani]]
  • {{Hound}} into [[The Monk (The Black Hole)]]
  • {{Garden}} into [[The Monk (The Book of Kells)]]
  • {{Champion}} into [[First Monk]] (there's really no need to link into that specific section anymore, as we don't go around linking to [[Twelfth Doctor#something]] via templates)
  • {{Roger}} into just [[The Monk]] (after all that's just an alias)

I'd like to suggest that we also no longer need {{Pratt}}, {{Jacobi}}, {{Gomez}} (that one was never really necessary), {{Mckee}} and {{Dhawan}}, as we have [[Decayed Master]], [[War Master]], [[Missy (Deep Breath)]], [[the Lumiat]] and [[Spy Master]] which we can link to as we do for... well, everyone else. So, if you agree and think it's worth at least moving the links until the day where we re-split the Master, please do so as well :). Anyway, hope you're well. OncomingStorm12th 17:10, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Ah, forgot to mention this on the above message, but I've already checked all relevant publisher summaries/credits to make sure any bot alterations will preserve the text as it should, so you wouldn't need to worry about this when moving the links via bot. OncomingStorm12th 17:14, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
Oh yeah, the Masters are firmly tied to the Master right now. But there's nothing stopping us popularizing these (official) redirects that have come from either credits, soundtrack or merchandising. God knows using them helps writing articles on stories like Masterful (audio story).
That said, Czech has basically given a statement on Discussions that we'll split the Master, as Multi-Masters stories make it hell for us to cover under a single page (or something of the sorts, can't remember exactly what he said, but that should happen once we get Forums back). So now it's almost more a case of when and how more than a if.
Ah, another useful search might be to see if there are any instances of "War" Master, "Decayed" Master/"Decaying" Master and/or "Spy" Master and turn them to a version without quotation marks. Otherwise, we'd probably end up with a few links like [[War Master|"War" Master]] which wouldn't be wrong, but a bit unnecessary. In any capacity, thanks for looking into these. OncomingStorm12th 17:46, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
Ooh, sorry to hear you've been having trouble with accessing the bot stuff properly. I know CzechOut is not here as regularly as he used too as well, so perhaps User:Spongebob456 could help with that (or at least pass it along to other Fandom staff)? OncomingStorm12th 21:28, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
Yeah, you're right; getting rid of {{Jacobi}} and {{Gomez}}, for now, it's jumping the gun a bit.
If I'm honest, personally, I find it a bit redundant to maintain the templates once the pages are split, as they were created specifically to ease the linkage to specific sections of a single. But as you said, this will definitely require a discussion, as it comes down to editors' usage only. Anyway, great news that SV7 is back! OncomingStorm12th 14:48, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Community Connect[]

Hey there! Can I confirm you received an email re Community Connect please? May be in spam and it's to the email associated with your Fandom account. Is this something you would be interested in attending? Thanks! --Spongebob456 talk 10:27, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Abigblueworld[]

Hi just a heads up on user abigblueworld, constantly vandalising pages and creating vandalism Valeyard12.5 20:46, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

im doing nothing, what do you mean? What else am I doing >:) Abigblueworld 20:48, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
I second the point made by Valeyard12.5 DanTheMan2150AD 16:28, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
The user had come back under a new account (User:Abigblueworld101), but I've taken care of it. Scrooge MacDuck 15:40, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Fandom projects[]

Hi! Got a couple of things:

As this wiki used to use Special:Forum, Fandom wants to make sure that old forum links and references aren't cluttering up maintenance special pages (unusedfiles, needed pages etc). Would you mind checking and letting me know asap as to whether that's an issue for this wiki? Just looking for dead links to forums in special pages, or links to images used in forums but are now dead, stuff like that. No need to attempt to cleanup yourself, I just need to know if they exist.

Secondly, did you receive an email sent last week I believe inviting you to The Downstream on September 10th? The email is titled "[The Downstream] Ask Fandom Anything, Social Media Tips, and Data Insights". I just want to confirm you received the email as we know Fandom outreach emails often land in spam.

If you could let me know about both of those things, that would be fantastic. Thanks! --Spongebob456 talk 09:44, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi there, just a reminder that The Downstream is Friday, September 10 at 11am EST at https://www.twitch.tv/Fandom. You can register/RSVP and add the event to your calendar here. That page also gives a lot of detail on what the event offers. Any questions, please let me know! --Spongebob456 talk 12:11, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Question on Current Policy regarding info from novels Re: Article Names[]

Hello, I was sent in your direction in hopes you might have policy information. Do you happen to know what the current wiki policy is regarding information from novelizations as it pertains to altering article names, ex. when a novel offers both a first and last name for a character where the serial they appear in gives only a last name? I have, for 7 years, been attempting to see if the article currently titled Lavel would be better titled with the full name given to her in the novelization of the serial she appears in, with no progress. I was recently told by another admin to check current policy, as they were unfamiliar with what the proper decision should be regarding such a change. Any information on the matter would be greatly appreciated. Pbandfluff 22:04, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

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