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Colourised images forbidden Edit

Please do not upload colour images of things that were originally broadcast or published in monochrome. This is a specific violation of T:ICC.
czechout@fandom    04:28: Tue 05 Mar 2013

Please don't split hairs. Obviously, Marco Polo was in black-and-white. A colour image is not from the episode, but must logically be an out-of-universe image taken of the actors from the side of the set. The image you uploaded was never an angle seen in the original. To make crystal clear: colour images from black and white episodes may not be uploaded here.
czechout@fandom    05:17: Tue 05 Mar 2013

Redlink Edit

A redlink implies that a page should be created. It technically shouldn't until Saturday (although I do admittedly have a text file with the article prepared for the occasion :D). It's not really that much of a big deal if it's redlinked, but, preferably, it shouldn't be linked until broadcast.
--SOTO 01:59, March 25, 2013 (UTC)

Color images of B/W eps Edit

czechout@fandom    18:03: Mon 25 Mar 2013

Because colour images from the B/W era violate T:IUI. All colour images are not from the episode, but rather from rehearsals or a different angle than the videocamera would have employed. They are thus not in-universe pictures. I refer you also to forum:Images Policy where the specific case of the Marco Polo pics was taken up and roundly defeated. (I should say that the discussion perhaps uses colorised" incorrectly—and indeed in quotation marks—but it's very clear the discussion is talking about precisely the images you're talking about.)
czechout@fandom    18:13: Mon 25 Mar 2013

Thane Edit

Sorry to have to keep deleting the same pic, but your subsequent efforts still come short of our basic rules. As is made clear on upload screens, please follow these simple rules and your pic will probably be allowed to stand

Also, could you please clarify the source of your pic?
czechout@fandom    21:52: Mon 15 Apr 2013


Please remember when creating a page to add a category (unless it's a redirect). For your recent Big Finish Doctor Who audio actor pages the category for them is Big Finish Doctor Who voice actors. See Jonathan Forbes‎ which you recently created, I've added the category and the {{NameSort}} which sits above the category and ensures the page is correctly sorted when it's in the category. --Tangerineduel / talk 16:56, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

Actor pages Edit

Hi :) Thanks for adding so many new actor pages. However, please go back and add {{real world}} to the top of all these. Also, please make an effort at including an imdb link, as is standard practice on these pages. All you do is add
== External link ==
{{imdb name|id=imdb id number}}

If they don't have an imdb page, please indicate that in a non-printing remark, like this:

<!-- This person does not appear to have an imdb page -->

czechout@fandom    17:46: Wed 17 Apr 2013

Yes, I quite like making actor articles, too. On the ones where the Imdb isn't clear, do this little trick, if you would. Take your best guess at the Imdb number. I mean, pick the person who seems like they would have most likely been active in the UK during the time that the audio was released, and, if need be, who seems to have a body of work that might be compatible with doing BF audios. Then, add this category: Articles with questionable IMDb links. Then, leave a non-printing remark about the difficulty you encountered. That way, we'll know to go back and investigate it further.
czechout@fandom    18:23: Wed 17 Apr 2013
Nope, strike that. Forgot there was a template. (Heh, and I made the damned thing.) Don't worry about the non-printing remark. Just add the link, and right next to it add {{imdb?}}. See Alison Bingeman for an example.
czechout@fandom    18:25: Wed 17 Apr 2013

Answers Edit

  • Documentary titles are italicised.
  • If a character appears only on audio then you use the {{{voice actor}}} variable. {{{main actor}}} is, as the instructions at {{Infobox Individual}} now say with greater clarity, only for televisual actors. I'm pretty sure the reword there should answer your questions; let me know if you're still confused.
    czechout@fandom    16:11: Thu 18 Apr 2013

John Banks Edit

In a sense, it doesn't matter that the user adding the information to the page might be John Banks himself. T:NO SELF REF disallows the add if it is John Banks, so we'd have to remove it anyway. And if it's not him, we need to have objective, verifiable proof. So what we're essentially left with, unless you have every single one of these CD liner notes, is the Big Finish website's search engine, and specifically this search: So, if you can, could you check the results there against the list we have, allowing only those things on this list to be on our list? We're looking to exactly match the Big Finish-generated list — no more, no less.

Will this mean that we might lose some of the info that this IP user has added? Probably. But them's the breaks. Neutrally verifiable sources is what we have to base our work on, not the possibility that an actor might drop by and be perfectly accurate about his or her resumé. Remember, actors routinely include on their c.v. parts that didn't make it into the final cut of a production. That's a completely fair and legitimate thing to do, because, hey, they got paid for the job, so it is something that they did. But it doesn't suit our purposes, unless we clearly know, through other sources, that they were paid not to appear. We don't really know all that much about the behind-the-scenes machinations at Big Finish, so it's hard to know what's going on when we get a claim about a part that isn't credited. Tempting as it is to use information from someone who might have actually been in the recording booth, we need to stick with what we can verify.
czechout@fandom    19:35: Thu 25 Apr 2013

As I said, you can just click here and verify our page against the resulting search results. I figured since you'd already done work on the page, you might want to handle the verification. But if you need me to put it on my to-do list, please let me know. It'd be best if we can get this done before Monday, just to put the issue to rest swiftly.
czechout@fandom    20:25: Thu 25 Apr 2013
So is it your contention that the article as it is now fully represents what's on the BF website?
czechout@fandom    20:30: Thu 25 Apr 2013

David Warner Doctor image Edit

Weird, I came across the page because of another process I was doing, and hadn't even noticed your message. Because I didn't investigate your issue prior to deleting the image because of what I was doing, I don't know specifically what went wrong with your upload. Sounds like the typical "Wikia caching issue", though. When you upload a new version of a file, sometimes — not always, but sometimes — it can take days for the cache to catch up and start displaying the new version. Looks like you only left it active for a few minutes before revering to the original, so it had no time to adjust. Next time, just leave it alone and it'll eventually catch up.
czechout@fandom    18:55: Sat 27 Apr 2013

Image Edit

Sorry about you image, but it was on the cusp of being 250px. It was also 4:3 instead of widescreen, and images should generally be widescreen - so not only was it at 250px, but the aspect ratio was wrong. I changed the deletion rational to reflect this. Thanks. MM/Want to talk? 14:02, May 8, 2013 (UTC)

Zygon talk page Edit

Hi. I have to take issue with your response to the unregistered user at Talk:Zygon: When Being You Just Isn't Enough. You basically answered his question by telling him to look it up. Two problems with this approach: one, you didn't really read the question, because he wasn't looking for what a Zygon is, rather he was looking for why we cover the particular story; two, your response was unwelcoming and, frankly, rude to a new user. You don't have to answer a question unless you have something helpful to offer. Please be more careful with your tone, especially to new users. Thanks! Shambala108 22:58, May 10, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, somehow I missed your response the other day. Thanks for the apology. Also, I retract my first statement above, because, although I took his "Zygons" to be a reference to the story, I can see how someone else might think he meant the species. Shambala108 04:37, May 13, 2013 (UTC)

Lists of appearances Edit

Hi! I passed your request on to Czechout, because it would take me forever to manually un-protect all the Lists of appearances pages, and I wouldn't be able to get to it right away. Thanks for your patience! Shambala108 21:41, May 18, 2013 (UTC)

Multi-Doctor? Edit

A multi-Doctor story is not merely a story which reuses footage or audio loops from the past. We don't call Day of the Daleks or Earthshock or even Nightmare in Silver a multi-Doctor story. Why on Earth should this story be any different?
czechout@fandom    23:35: Sat 18 May 2013

Pic Edit

Actually, it is better to have nothing than something poor. But in this case, we already have something better. The image from Time & Time Again depicts the same moment, and does so more clearly. Remember, we're an all-media site. When seen in terms of the totality of the illustrations at First Doctor, it's better to depict this moment through a comic, anyway.
czechout@fandom    00:51: Sun 19 May 2013

Hurt Edit

Wow. You're just objecting to everything I've done around here lately, aren't you? Please see User Talk:Wasoha#Hurt. And please consider — just consider — that there might be a reason I'm an admin around here.
czechout@fandom    17:05: Sun 19 May 2013

The very narrative point of Amy's Choice is that the Dream Lord is the Doctor. That's explicit in the narrative. What's explicit in the narrative of Name is that Hurt is not the Doctor. I am not ruling out Hurt from {{Doctors}} forever, but obviously we have to wait until 23 November to figure out how he fits into that lineup. I'm quivering in my boots right now that he's actually a proper, numbered incarnation and we're gonna have to undo tons on the wiki to accommodate him. I got a bad feeling that 11 doesn't mean 11 anymore.
czechout@fandom    17:25: Sun 19 May 2013

Bernice Edit

What do you mean "did she really have sex with Eight enough"? She had sex with him. That makes her, as far as we know, the only companion to do so. So it is a noteworthy thing about her character.
czechout@fandom    14:20: Mon 20 May 2013

Culshaw Edit

Sure, if you really wanna put him in {{{other voice actors}}}, feel free.
czechout@fandom    02:24: Fri 31 May 2013

Tomorrow's news Edit

Well that's a fine pickle isn't it? I guess I'll just have to lock everything that links from series 7 and hope for the best.
czechout@fandom    21:38: Sat 01 Jun 2013

Renames Edit

Lot going on right now. Please add all simple, uncontroversial renames to the T:SPEEDY list through the {{speedy rename}} template. Thanks. :) That will ensure the request is visible to the maximum number of admin, and put it into a general queue.
czechout@fandom    06:07: Wed 05 Jun 2013

Skype Edit

Well this gets curiouser and curiouser. I didn't know you actually knew Revan enough to be in on a Skype convo with him and whoever this "mystery offendee" is. This isn't a safe-for work wiki, and I really don't think it's a reasonable interpretation of that sentence in context that we're insulting the BBC. It's merely a comparison between an unreliable source and the (supposedly) most iron-clad source imaginative. Contextually, it's a superlative not an insult (literally, "the best damned source imaginable"). But whatever. It doesn't hurt the meaning of the sentence to remove the word if it offends, so it's been edited out.
czechout@fandom    02:47: Sun 09 Jun 2013

Missing episodes and spoilers Edit

To answer a question you asked in chat, SmallerOnTheOutside was essentially correct. Screenshots from genuine missing episodes can't ever be spoilers; footage from an animated redux of a missing episode is a spoiler, if uploaded prior to the date of first global release. The former already happened; the latter is a new interpretation of something previously released. It was possible, for instance, to spoil The Stones of Blood (audio story), for instance, because it was wholly different to the previously extant Doctor Who and the Stones of Blood and even the TV story.

Of course, they still might get deleted, even though they don't offend T:SPOIL or any other written rule.

See, we have a duty of care about whether it hurts the BBC's commercial interests to allow long-missing footage on our site. If you got a legitimate preview copy legally sent to you from BBC Worldwide a few weeks before release, I don't think I'd have too much of a problem with a few screenshots appearing on the site. But if you obtained it unethically months and months in advance, I might very well temporarily delete those pics.

Alternately, if you got your hands on the raw, unrestored footage, we might very well delete, citing a violation of T:ICC, which tells us to prefer the best quality possible.

But let's assume that somehow you got your hands on the final DVD-quality release. It'd really be a judgment call as to whether we'd allow screenshots from it, and I don't think a rule could possibly be written to cover it.

See, it's not that we've never considered the possibility as SOTO alleged. It's that recovery of missing episodes has happened exactly once (albeit with two episodes simultaneously) during the time the wiki has been active. It's pointless to make up a rule about something so unlikely. Moreover, since any deletion would be predicated on the notion that the BBC's interests would be negatively impacted, we'd have to wait and see how those interests were impacted. If they released footage before the official DVD release, it wouldn't be damaging their interests to screenshot that portion. But it might be damaging if we took screenshots of other footage. If they completely embargoed one returned missing episode, but not another — I can imagine them doing that with The Power of the Daleks episode 1 versus The Space Pirates 6 — then that would be a different scenario as well.

Given the rarity of finding lost episodes, and the uncertainty over how exactly the BBC will handle their re-discoveries, it's pretty clear what'll happen. People will upload the pics, and then we'll make an individual determination of whether to keep those pics.
czechout@fandom    15:19: Sat 13 Jul 2013

Year pages Edit

Year pages are unlocked, since I've now done as much as I can do with them via a bot. Feel free to tackle them, liaising with SmallerOnTheOutside.
czechout@fandom    02:49: Sun 14 Jul 2013

Credits on audio pages Edit

Hi! Please don't add any more credit sections to audio story pages. The (huge) majority of audio stories have no credit sections, so this is a big enough issue that you should bring it up in the forums first. Thanks! Shambala108 22:14, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry I wasn't clear, I was typing on an iPad, which is a tedious process.
What I meant was this: there are no audio stories with the credits sections like you added to a couple of audio stories. There must be a reason why this hasn't been done in the nine year history of this wiki. It may be a good reason, it may not, but since you are adding something major — a new section — it is better to either run it by the majority (i.e. the forums) or at least ask a senior admin such as Tangerineduel or CzechOut. Hope this is clearer. Thanks! Shambala108 23:37, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

Kloska Edit

How do you know this?
czechout@fandom    15:30: Wed 24 Jul 2013

Mission to the Unknown Edit

Hey, I just wanted to thank you for taking care of the images on the character pages for Mission to the Unknown. I've been meaning to look into this but now I can cross it off my to-do list. Thanks! Shambala108 00:11, August 11, 2013 (UTC)

Good question. I'll get back to you on that. Shambala108 19:04, August 12, 2013 (UTC)

Chat Edit

Please return to your chat window. Thanks.
czechout@fandom    21:33: Thu 05 Sep 2013

Christmas cheer Edit

Happy holidays!

As this fiftieth anniversary year comes to a close, we here at Tardis just want to thank you for being a part of our community — even if you haven't edited here in a while. If you have edited with us this year, then thanks for all your hard work.

This year has seen an impressive amount of growth. We've added about 11,000 pages this year, which is frankly incredible for a wiki this big. November was predictably one of the busiest months we've ever had: over 500 unique editors pitched in. It was the highest number of editors in wiki history for a year in which only one programme in the DWU was active. And our viewing stats have been through the roof. We've averaged well over 2 million page views each week for the last two months, with some weeks seeing over 4 million views!

We've received an unprecedented level of support from Wikia Staff, resulting in all sorts of new goodies and productive new relationships. And we've recently decided to lift almost every block we've ever made so as to allow most everyone a second chance to be part of our community.

2014 promises to build on this year's foundations, especially since we've got a full, unbroken series coming up — something that hasn't happened since 2011. We hope you'll stick with us — or return to the Tardis — so that you can be a part of the fun!


SOTO nomination Edit

The admin nomination for User:SmallerOnTheOutside is drawing swiftly to a close. Did you have any thoughts on it? Please go here if you do.
czechout@fandom    00:03: Wed 01 Jan 2014

Skype Edit

Hey, would you mind coming by Skype sometime? We've got a new group. Thanks. --SOTO 23:13, January 12, 2014 (UTC)

Audio stories Edit

Hi! A couple of years ago you participated in the project at Thread:137970, where we tried to accumulate credit lists for audio stories. The project stalled for a while, but User:AdricLovesNyssa has revived it. If you have anything new you would like to add, please head over to the thread so we can maybe get this thing off the ground. Thanks! Shambala108 05:33, May 31, 2016 (UTC)

Re: BF credits Edit

Hi! I'm glad to see your continued interest in this project. I've tried to keep it alive, but I'm hampered by the fact that I don't own any of the audios. I have, however, created a list of (what I understand to be) what we have and still need, at User:Shambala108/Sandbox. If you have any suggestions or corrections, just leave a message on my talk page. Thanks! Shambala108 15:42, December 19, 2016 (UTC)

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