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  • Shambala108
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    03:09, November 1, 2016

    As I genuinely believe, please do correct me if I'm wrong, that one of my last posts was misunderstood, so this discussion has never happened as such.

    I think we need to create a prefix for anything that can be viewed like televised Who, webcast and home video.

    This would simplify the term in a great way and help the wiki determine a proper prefix.

    For example the term audio is for both audios first broadcast on the radio and audios first released on CD, so shouldn't this apply for television as well?

    As in anything that can be visually perceived through a television screen or possibly in some cases a computer screen. Though the first would be better as it's the first both literally of time wise and order of broadcast wise (in most cases).

    With the forthcoming spin off which shall not be named for policy purposes, the first broadcast will be online and then on television. Surely this needs to be avoided as television in some cases holds higher status than a webcast.

    I have no ideas as of yet for a whole term except onscreen or television, however I do believe that latter is more safisticated and understandable.

    I thank you sincerely for taking time out to read my views and I wish everyone all the best and hope this can be considered and incorporated in some way.

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    • DENCH-and-PALMER wrote: Surely this needs to be avoided as television in some cases holds higher status than a webcast.

      Not on this wiki. I suggest you read Tardis:Neutral point of view.

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    • I understand not on this wiki but to the casual reader, TV suggests that. Where as it should not as all stories have the right to be counted.


      But honestly is the general idea of my post a good one? 😊😊

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    • AeD

      To be clear: What you're looking for is a prefix, like how "AUDIO" covers radio broadcast, CD release, or download release of audio stories, to cover all releases of live-action or animated visual media, including via TV broadcast, home media release, cinema release, webcast, or via projection on the side of a horse in a field?

      I think that's a good idea -- you're right, "TV" does needlessly imply to the casual reader a status for, say, any TV episode, above visual media released originally or primarily online -- but I'm not coming up with any good short prefix for it.

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    • Spot on. Glad you like my idea pal. Perhaps just television as a term would be good which can be anything that can be viewed on television as it's the name of the box and the programmes featured or maybe, just maybe screen could be a good one too.

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    • I think this issue needs to be addressed before the new spin off airs.

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    • I do think just television would work some how.

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    • I'm not entirely sure what the problem is. Suppose, hypothetically, that a TV episode is first published online and then broadcast by BBC. According to the current nomenclature, HOMEVID is not applicable because the episode was broadcast. Similarly, WC is not applicable because it is for "Internet-exclusive material on licenced websites such as BBC.co.uk", which is not the case of a TV episode scheduled for broadcast but released earlier online (not Internet-exclusive). Since such an episode is not a webcast, it is not "webcast-original material which was later re-released" either.

      Moreover, TV is expressly described as being used for every and all spin-offs: "TV is used in this wiki as a prefix to denote any adventure that is broadcast on television, whether it be Doctor Who, The Sarah Jane Adventures, Torchwood or any other televised spinoff" (I boldfaced the relevant portions).

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    • Yeah, but some big fin audio stories are Home Cd or Radio, doesn't meant we separate them. I just think on screen stuff should be by format, not place of broadcast.

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    • I've found the perfect example to counter your argument, The Night of the Doctor was initial published as a webcast on youtube/iplayer but it is classified as a TV because it was meant to be released on the TV. What I should think should be the case is the intention of the story, i.e. if the story is made so that it would be shown on a TV/iplayer then it should be classified as a TV story and have TV in front when referencing the story in continuity etc. (examples such as The Night of the Doctor, Dreamland and so on) but if the story was made to be a special feature on a DVD then it should be classified as HOMEVID, this then should get rid of any confusion with the upcoming spinoff. The only problem here is with the webcast versions of Shada and Real Time which were meant to b viewed online.

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    • I see your point and I mostly agree, I just think it'd avoid confusion to have it as one and follow the same guidelines as the prefix 'audio'.

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    • Since my opinion has been requested, here it is. There are a kajillion things that need to be fixed on this wiki. In my opinion, the prefix system, which we revamped a few years ago, is not one of the things that needs fixing.

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    • Well I guess you're right Shambala108, well I'm happy to leave the thread at that. As long as everyone else agrees.

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    • I did think of Optical Media though.

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    • DENCH-and-PALMER wrote: I did think of Optical Media though.

      Sorry, what?

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    • Optical media, it's a term often used for screen programmes that are broadcast in various places such as TV, Online, in cinemas or straight to DVD.

      Not documentaries though.

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    • I think I finally get what this and the original thread are getting at.

      It seems the suggestion is that everything that can be viewed should be under one prefix. I don't think it would be a good idea to, say, classify tv stories and DVD documentaries under the same prefix just because they are both visual media.

      Closing this thread, as the prefix system doesn't need major cleaning and the OP has agreed upthread to leave it as it is. No new versions of this thread should be opened, under Tardis:Do not disrupt this wiki to prove a point.

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