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  • Shambala108
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    This seems to have been resolved as invalid.
    04:27, September 1, 2018

    The new "Science of Doctor Who" show, as most of us know, contains a couple of segments with The Doctor and Brian Cox in. These segments were in-universe, and were seperate from the lecture part of the show.

    Do you think we should make a seperate, "story" page for this segment. It would go along the same lines as the linking material for Short Trips: Repercussions' linking material Repercussions... (short story), giving the Doctor/Cox segments the name The Science of Doctor Who.

    This way we can link to the page better on in-universe articles. Thoughts anyone?

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    • We're gonna end up having the same problem with tomorrow's The Ultimate Guide, which apparently has some Doctor/Clara segments.

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    • Absolutely not. These aren't meant as serious narrative. They are parodic in nature. This is stuff along the lines of the National Television Awards Sketch 2011 and the little sketch for the BAFTAs.

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    • I really fail to see how The Ultimate Guide sketch was parodic...

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    • Parodic doesn't have to mean comical. Though certainly that's a common definition, a parody is really something that imitates something else, but obviously falls short of being that something else. You can have an otherwise serious "parody of a wedding" simply by having no one present with the legal authority to perform it.

      The Ultimate Guide sketch is a parody of a television episode because it cannot exist without the bit in the middle. The Doctor and Clara are shown to reflect upon the contents of the documentary that comprises the bulk of the show, so it's like a regular episode of Doctor Who, but it's not a regular episode. The plot resolution comes through the conveyance of non-fictional information.

      Put another way, it fails Rule #1 of our four little rules.

      Here are some additional comments from Talk:The Ultimate Guide (2013 documentary):

      ...the sketch is an invalid source because it could not exist without reference to the documentary. It is thus essentially non-narrative. It's rather like all those puzzles in old Doctor Who Annuals which were introduced in an apparently in-universe way. Or The Making of Doctor Who, which has elements supposedly written by the Doctor. Or Tales from the TARDIS, a comic series in very early issues of Doctor Who Magazine which had the Fourth Doctor introducing a story, like The War of the Worlds or some old back-up comic strip from Marvel US anthological comics — none of whose stories can actually be considered to be a part of the DWU.
      A more recent example of the kind of thing we've disqualified in this regard is the National Television Awards Sketch 2011. Because the "narrative" of that sketch depends on believing the Doctor was somehow involved with the non-fictional awards show itself, we obviously can't include it, because that would logically mean that everyone who was in that awards show was a part of the DWU. In the same way, we'd have to believe that Tovey's narration, the actors who played DWU characters, and every other interviewee were themselves a part of the DWU in order to admit the sketch.
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    • hmmmmmmmm The camera the quality it just doesnt feel real it doesnt feel like a episode

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    • Since this discussion, A Night with the Stars (TV story) was created (not by me, obviously), and not marked {{invalid}}. The discussion above should invalidate it.

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    • SOTO wrote: Since this discussion, A Night with the Stars (TV story) was created (not by me, obviously), and not marked {{invalid}}. The discussion above should invalidate it.

      I completely disagree. That minisode, along with The History of the Doctor (TV story) certainly stand on their own.

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    • My main objection here is that I see no difference between counting Death Is the Only Answer as valid as well as this Night with the Stars mini-episode. Both are mini-in-universe "skits" compacted into out-of-universe sources. Both have their own pages, and are separated from their respective out-of-universe documentaries. The confusion seems to come down the the fact that DItOA is extremely random and has nothing to do with the Documentary it's featured in, while NwtS is well written and relates to the subject at hand.

      I believe both should be valid.

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