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Just a question A Cosmology of the Spiral Politic. It's an essay correct? Is it an in-universe one? If it's not, its more of a grey area as to whether it should be included in the in-universe articles. --Tangerineduel 15:01, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

I gave this a bit of umming and ahhhing myself, but it's unambigously written 'in universe'.
Its narrator lives in the universe he's describing and the stuff he's on about is real to him/her. --Richard Jones 15:08, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
Alrighty, just wanted to ask (as I only have the first edition of Dead Romance to consult). --Tangerineduel 15:42, 6 December 2007 (UTC)


It was a valid question. I'll make it clear in the Dead Romance article.
While I'm posting here - thanks to Azes13 for sprucing up my stuff! --Richard Jones 16:13, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
No problem.
Incidentally, do we want to redirect Pre-Universe here? -<Azes13 17:37, 6 December 2007 (UTC)>-


There a case for it, but I'm thinking probably not.
While I think establishing how universes relate to each other means it's appropriate to have a certain ammount of information in this article on the pre-universe (which is a bit of a misnomer really, as it's just pre-one-particular-universe and probably has a pre-universe of it's own), it's worthy of its own article in case we want to flesh it out fully at a later date.
Which, depending on where the new series goes with sequelising Impossible Planet/Satan Pit, we might well end up doing. --Richard Jones 18:58, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

The End Edit

...the Time Lords at the end of the universe killed themselves at a Time Institute ceremony (PROSE: The End)

Having not read the story, is there any possiblity of reconciling this with the Last Great Time War? If not, maybe it should be separated from the rest of the article as not-in-continuity. --68.38.156.187 21:59, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

we shouldn't consider it our jobs to reconcile or to explain away contradictions or to declare works non-canonical. apart from which, as an Eighth Doctor story, it took place before the Last Great Time War, anyway. --Stardizzy2 00:06, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
I'm not assigning people jobs, I'm just noting a contradiction. The current wording in the article implies that it was after the Time War. --Andrew Nagy 00:55, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Between the Pre-Universe and the Current UniverseEdit

Why was the limbo era between the Universes deleated? It doesn't take a genues to nit in all the clues from the listed Torchwood episodes that the nothingness that some of the characters saw at their deaths was before the Big Bang. After all near the end of the last episode of season one, the "great Beast" was said to come from before time and this creature was almost certently the one that was "comeing for Jack in the nothingness", as mentioned in a earlier episode. Emperorofatalism 9:02 P.M 28 of October 2008

fan theories, however logical or justified, belong elsewhere. this Wiki concerns itself with what we saw (or read about, depending on the media) or heard in dialogue. exceptions allowed for statements made by cast and crew in interviews. those would go Behind the Scenes. --Stardizzy2 15:33, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
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