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There's more of a connection. Abbadon was claimed to be the name of that beast in TW, one of the names that the Ood say was Abaddon --Jono R 22:59, December 16, 2009 (UTC)


Something here's wrong, the language, the Doctor said that it was so old that the TARDIS couldn't translate it. What doesn't make sense is in (The Pandorica Opens) that in Planet One, the TARDIS could translate the language, but it would be so older than the Krop Tor Language


River Song wrote that message, so presumably she wrote it in a language that the TARDIS could recognize.

Firstly, please don't use talk pages for plot holes etc. Please use either the discontinuity page for this episode, or create a new page in the forums. Secondly, as the IP above said, the language River wrote in was a language that the Doctor and the TARDIS could understand. Also, Krop Tor was implied (or maybe even said) to be created before the universe was, making it much older than Planet One. The Thirteenth Doctor 15:06, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

Someone wrote the plot summary, especially Scooti's death scene, like bad fetish fuel fanfiction with overuse of pronouns and emotional language. I have reduced the offending dramatisement to the bare essentials, but it seems the rest of the summary could also do with some cleaning up from someone more experienced with plot editing than I.

18.111.123.93 05:26, September 4, 2010 (UTC)Nazne

I gave my best shot to fix this and edited the death scene to remove speculatory emotional language and for accuracy.ComicBookGoddess 23:09, February 19, 2013 (UTC)

I suppose it isn't worth mentioning that, in the real world, there is nothing "impossible" about a planet orbiting a black hole? (Not to mention that the term 'geostationary' doesn't apply to a stationary orbit around a non-Earth body.) 174.110.143.94talk to me 03:42, July 27, 2012 (UTC)

The origin of geostationary does refer to Earth specifically, but as we've put satellites, etc, into orbit around other bodies (Mars, Venus, etc), use of the term has tended to become more generalised to mean synchronous to a particular point on the surface of whatever body is being orbited. It's a reasonable conclusion that this trend would continue, so I wouldn't see anything wrong in using that term in this case. As for the impossibility of orbiting a black hole, you're of course correct. The impossible nature of this particular case might be a matter of how close the planet is; meaning, if it's at a low enough orbit that it should really have fallen into the black hole already, but it seems to be in a completely stable orbit. That was how I interpreted it, but I agree that they could have expounded on it a bit. Spreee 16:52, July 30, 2012 (UTC)Spreee
An actual geostationary orbit involves another stable object in rotation to stabilize the orbit. In the LaGrange points above the Earth, this is the Moon. There really doesn't seem to be anything like this helping to keep this planet in place. Also if entire systems are flowing past, this planet must be within the area where all material must be sucked into the hole. Sounds pretty impossible to me. ;) ComicBookGoddess 23:09, February 19, 2013 (UTC)

Scooti's death scene Edit

Yesterday I edited Scooti's death scene to take out the majority of conjecture about the emotions of the characters and to remove a few things that were not actually shown. A unnamed user reverted some of my considered changes today. I'm taking their changes into account and refining them again. There are a few issues that I want to discuss with them, so here we are:

1) Because your readings of Scooti's emotional state aren't exactly what I'm getting from the scene, it's obviously not exactly clear from the scene. In that case, it's best we avoid most emotionally discriptive language, for clarity.
3) We cannot say for certain that Scooti is "hypnotised" or "realises what is happening". She doesn't live, so she can't tell us what she felt, so we don't really know exactly what happening or what she felt. Also notice that the Beast didn't manage to hypnotise anybody other than Toby, who had studied the symbols, and the Ood, who are telepathically susceptible.
3) We can't really say that Toby hears her if "there's no air". The presence of wind doesn't mean that whatever gas molecules exist are close enough together to allow hearing. He could easily register her lack of cooperation visually.
4) It is conjecture to say that Toby is angered. His facial expression doesn't exactly support it. It's more workmanlike. He could just be switching between different plans to kill her.
5) Scooti is shown being pulled out the viewport, away from her grip, but there is a surface to the planet, and gravity. She is definitely not SHOWN being sucked into space - not yet. Until she's shown floating away, we don't know if she'd been captured by Toby or a third party and stashed somewhere on the ground. We don't know if she's floating away because he tossed her up, we don't know... yet. So, it's inaccurate to write it as if we've seen her shooting into the sky.

ComicBookGoddess 08:00, February 22, 2013 (UTC)

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