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| + | == Infobox Image Update == |
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| − | == Erasing ALL knowledge of The Doctor? I don't think so == |
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| + | Hello. Is there any possibility of updating the images used for both the [[Twelfth Doctor]] and the [[Thirteenth Doctor]]'s for ones that are more appropriate? I guess I get the "eyebrows" thing so that image isn't *too* bad I suppose (still think better could be done), but surely the [[Thirteenth Doctor]] deserves an image of herself in her actual clothing rather than the image currently in use which is from her opening story ''[[The Woman Who Fell to Earth (TV story)|The Woman Who Fell to Earth]]'' and displays her still wearing the ragged and battered remains of her previous incarnation's clothing? I hope you'll take these suggestions under advisement. Thank you for reading. --[[User:Alan-WK|Alan-WK]] [[User talk:Alan-WK|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 02:19, January 13, 2020 (UTC) |
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| + | == The Timeless Child == |
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| − | According to this entry, The Doctor "erased knowledge of him on 21st century Earth...and later did so himself throughout all of time and space." |
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| + | So, obviously there will have to be some changes. For starters, the Jo Martin Doctor added to More Ambiguous section of the Doctor's incarnations. Other than that, how big a rewrite are we looking at and how much should be kept to other pages like[[Timeless Child]]?--[[User:TheOneTrueJack|TheOneTrueJack]] [[User talk:TheOneTrueJack|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:00, March 1, 2020 (UTC) |
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| + | :Well, as far as ''I'' can put it together, it's the 8 Timeless Child regenerations, at least 5 more, the 8 Morbius regenerations, Ruth, 4 more, Hartnell - Matt, Capaldi - Present. We know that the Timeless Child regenerations and the Morbius ones can't be the same cycle as the Doctor was kidified after each 13, so it seems. So Jodie is not, ''at least'' the 27th Doctor now.--[[User:HarryPotterRules1|HarryPotterRules1]] [[User talk:HarryPotterRules1|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:16, March 1, 2020 (UTC) |
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| − | Clara Oswin Oswald erased all knowledge of the Doctor from the Dalek database in [[Asylum of the Daleks (TV story)]] but I don't recall at any point that The Doctor in [[The Angels Take Manhattan (TV story)]] erased all knowledge of himself EVERYWHERE. If that was true then every single one of his companions (including River Song) would have no memory of him which seems, from a simple storyline perspective, highly unlikely. Look at [[The Snowmen (TV story)]], he had allies there who knew all about The Doctor. [[Special:Contributions/63.143.217.227|63.143.217.227]]<sup>[[User talk:63.143.217.227#top|talk to me]]</sup> 21:12, April 12, 2013 (UTC) |
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| − | : River Song said he's been erasing himself from every database in existence, actually. And every database is not everyone's memory, dude. |
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| − | :I'll bet he didn't bother to hit up the UNIT databases - we see that they still know of him in ''The Power of Three'', plus, plenty of personal knowledge about him in that group.--[[User:ComicBookGoddess|ComicBookGoddess]] [[User talk:ComicBookGoddess|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:30, April 12, 2013 (UTC) |
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| − | ::I think 63's issue is not what River said or didn't say, but rather what the '''article''' says, that is, "The Doctor had ordered Mickey Smith to erase knowledge of him on 21st century Earth, and later did so himself throughout all of time and space." The article doesn't use the word "database", it uses "knowledge", and that's what 63 is trying to point out. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:44, April 12, 2013 (UTC) |
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| − | :::That's certainly a reasonable distinction.--[[User:ComicBookGoddess|ComicBookGoddess]] [[User talk:ComicBookGoddess|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 06:13, April 15, 2013 (UTC) |
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| + | ::If we take it that The Timeless Child was at the start of Time Lord society and for whatever reason was never cryogenically frozen or forced into the future. Then it stands to reason that he/she is as old as Time Lord society. In The Ultimate Foe who we used to call The Sixth Doctor says that they've been around for 10 Million years. Now if we take The Eleventh Doctors life of 1100 years as a measure for a standard regenerations life span as this was the longest and seemed to die of natural causes. Then at MINIMUM The Doctor has had 9,090,909 lives which is not including any that were cut short by falling off any cliffs or mother figures experimenting on them. --[[User:Thebobbrom|Thebobbrom]] [[User talk:Thebobbrom|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:53, March 2, 2020 (UTC) |
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| + | ::It seems like the Thirteen lives rule was put in place much later on. So that wouldn't apply to the Timeless Child incarnations --[[User:TheOneTrueJack|TheOneTrueJack]] [[User talk:TheOneTrueJack|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:24, March 1, 2020 (UTC) |
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| − | == Amount of incarnations == |
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| + | :::Except we can't call any of those before Hartnell any variant of the [number] Doctor. Cause if we do that we'll have to re-route, in no exaggeration, the "''ENTIRE''" Wikia from scratch. --[[User:Danniesen|DCLM]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:29, March 1, 2020 (UTC) |
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| − | So, I'm confused. does the doctor get 13 regenerations,and therefore 14 lives, or 12 regenerations, and therefore 13 lives? |
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| − | : (Added headline to avoid confusion). He can regenerate twelve times and can therefore have thirteen lives (although Moffat will probably come up with some clever trick). --[[User:CGW|CGW]] [[User talk:CGW|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:10, May 19, 2013 (UTC) |
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| + | ::::Well obviously we can't do that. The Morbius Doctors can be referred to as such, and the Timeless Child incarnations can be included in the [[Timeless Child]] page. But should they both (as two sperate groups) be put in the More Ambiguous section of the Doctor's incarnations? And how much should the main Doctor page talk about them? {{Unsigned|TheOneTrueJack}} |
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| − | Dialogue on screen has always made it clear, he gets 13 "incarnations" not 13 regenerations, therefore he can only regenerate 12 times (under normal conditions). This was confirmed in several episodes but off the top of my head "Deadly Assassin" (it was confirmed the Master had failed to rejuvenate into his final form) "The Ultimate Foe" (it is confirmed the Valeyard is an extension of the Doctor's penultimate rejuvenation being created as an off shoot of his 12th). |
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| + | Well, that's the thing. I don't believe the Doctor ''is'' bound to the 13 lives. The Timelords just sort of "kid-i-fied" the Doctor again when he reached the end of his 13 "lives"; that's what the whole Brendan stuff was. The Doctor believed he was bound to the 13 "lives" because he didn't remember anything before hand. But, in actuality, he wasn't bound to it at all. So it could literally be the 8 on the table plus 5 more - then kid-i-fied and made to forget - then the 8 morbius, Ruth and 4 more - then Kid-i-fied and made to forget - then Hartnell onwards and the Timelords only gave the "new" cycle to the Doctor to hide their lie.--[[User:HarryPotterRules1|HarryPotterRules1]] [[User talk:HarryPotterRules1|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:46, March 1, 2020 (UTC) |
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| − | The question "how many regenerations does the Doctor have left?" however is much less straight forward for many reasons: |
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| + | :That would make sense if the Time Lords didn't have to restore the Doctor's regeneration ability in ''[[The Time of the Doctor (TV story)|The Time of the Doctor]]''. Though if they restored the Doctor's original ability, it ''would'' explain the ambiguity of how many regenerations the Doctor has now.--[[User:WarGrowlmon18|WarGrowlmon18]] [[User talk:WarGrowlmon18|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:55, March 1, 2020 (UTC) |
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| − | 1. We do not know how many incarnations existed between the on screen 8th and 9th, while Eccleston is officially the 9th actor, it isn't clear whether he actually is the 9th doctor. However the prophecy quoted by the Silence seems to confirm Smith is the 11th Doctor. |
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| + | ::The Brendan stuff was a cover-story to hide the truth about the Time Lords' beginning. Brendan, his parents, the Sergeant etc. never existed. They were images layered on top of the real truth. --[[User:Danniesen|DCLM]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:00, March 1, 2020 (UTC) |
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| − | 2. We do not know what effect River sacrificing her rejuvenations had on the Doctor. We know from Trial of a Time Lord and Doctor Who, that regenerations are transferable, and from the Five Doctors they are renewable as the Time Lords promised The Master a new Regeneration Cycle. |
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| + | ::: The Timeless Child could regenerate indefinitely. But THE DOCTOR was limited to 13 lives. That's not really a matter of perspective. It was seen that the Doctor could only regenerate 12 times. This means that the limitation of 12 regenerations was also bestowed on the Doctor, or maybe perhaps after they "stopped" being the Timeless Child. --[[User:Danniesen|DCLM]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:02, March 1, 2020 (UTC) |
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| − | 3. It has long been stated The Master had used up all his regenerations prior to the Time War, yet he was seen (upon his return) regenerating twice. It is conceivable therefore that other Time Lords conscripted to fight in the Time War were given new regenerations too, including The Doctor. |
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| + | ::::That's my point. ''Did'' they restore it? I believe the Doctor was bound to the 13 body limits because he ''believed'' he was. He actually ''wasn't'' - he just thought he was because he believed he was a Timelord, when he isn't - he's something different. The Timelords gave him a "new" cycle to hide the truth of what he was - constantly and continually able to regenerate.--[[User:HarryPotterRules1|HarryPotterRules1]] [[User talk:HarryPotterRules1|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:04, March 1, 2020 (UTC) |
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| − | == John Hurt's Doctor == |
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| − | Where should Hurt's Doctor be added on this page? [[Special:Contributions/75.141.237.237|75.141.237.237]]<sup>[[User talk:75.141.237.237#top|talk to me]]</sup> 20:55, May 19, 2013 (UTC) |
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| + | :::::The Doctor IS a Time Lord. You can't get around that. However as the Seventh Doctor said "I'm far more than just another Time Lord". And he WAS limited down. That's what they did, as other media stories have explained was done at some point to the Time Lord race. --[[User:Danniesen|DCLM]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:09, March 1, 2020 (UTC) |
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| − | Shouldn't the War Doctor have his photo added to the main rotating profile image. He might not use the title, but he is still the character depicted in the profile page. [[Special:Contributions/92.232.180.244|92.232.180.244]]<sup>[[User talk:92.232.180.244#top|talk to me]]</sup> 11:39, January 12, 2014 (UTC) |
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+ | ::::::: No, wrong. We know now that the Doctor is ''not'' a Timelord. The Doctor is an entirely different species who was studied by the ''original'' Timelord/Shebogan to create regeneration. The Doctor only ''believed'' she/he was a Timelord. --[[User:HarryPotterRules1|HarryPotterRules1]] [[User talk:HarryPotterRules1|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:18, March 1, 2020 (UTC) |
| + | :::::::: I'm up with Harry. The Doctor is not a Timelord anymore, but the "ancestor" species of the Time Lords: a Timeless Child (not official name but just to make it clear). --[[User:Con Carne|Con Carne]] ([[User Talk:Con Carne|''Di la verdad, o cobras...'']]) 10:09, March 2, 2020 (UTC) |
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| − | == Longest serving Doctor: most television stories? == |
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| − | + | :::::::::No. The Doctor was MADE into a Time Lord. Also whoever changed the page, please don't just change it without a conclusion to this. Con Carne, don't just make a change this major. It needs proper discussion. You and Harry agreeing, doesn't alone make it so. We need proper consultation that admins also join in on before we can just decide something this major. --[[User:Danniesen|DCLM]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 10:19, March 2, 2020 (UTC) |
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| − | Can someone please explain why at 7 years on screen Tom Baker is no longer mentioned in the longest serving section. Ignoring Time Crash, no other actor has played the Doctor on screen that long, therefore Tom Baker IS the longest serving Doctor in terms of time spent in the role, on screen on the main show (excluding wider media). |
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| + | :Just one thing, it wasn't me, I haven't changed anything in the article. :( --[[User:Con Carne|Con Carne]] ([[User Talk:Con Carne|''Di la verdad, o cobras...'']]) 11:49, March 2, 2020 (UTC) |
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| − | From bookended rejuvenation episodes, not even Sylvester Mccoy beats seven years. |
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+ | ::I know, that was my bad. I didn't looks properly. Sorry about that. I DID change my statement to say "whoever changed the page". Sorry for the mistunderstanding. --[[User:Danniesen|DCLM]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 11:53, March 2, 2020 (UTC) |
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| − | : From bookended rejuvenation? You mean from ''Rani'' part one through the television movie? Because I'm pretty sure that's slightly under nine years, rather than the 6 years, 9 months from ''Spiders'' part 6 through ''Logopolis'' part 4... |
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| − | : Whether mini-episodes count as television all depends on the mini-episode. Anything "A Prequel" in their name or are "watch the prequel now" sort of deals, aren't television; they're either web or iTunes. |
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| − | : For me personally, I'd count two-parters as a single story. I believe that per ''Planet of the Dead'' being celebrated as number 200, that means that ''Utopia'', ''The Sound of Drums'' and ''Last of the Time Lords'' are technically officially one whole story. I personally count them as such, as well as ''A Good Man Goes to War'' and ''Let's Kill Hitler'', while ''Turn Left'', ''The Stolen Earth'' and ''Journey's End'' are a one-parter (not "standalone" per se, but one part) and a two-parter respectively. Episodes ARE counted in a different way to the older show's serials, especially considering series 7's lack of multi-parters (though obviously absolutely no-one's counting, say, ''The Rebel Flesh'' / ''The Almost People'' / ''A Good Man Goes to War'' / ''Let's Kill Hitler'', or the first half of Martha's season as a long single parter). -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 08:43, August 6, 2013 (UTC) |
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| − | I see, however, I still think it is worth noting that Tom Baker held the record for the longest serving Doctor first--[[User:Pittstop|Pittstop]] [[User talk:Pittstop|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 09:07, August 6, 2013 (UTC) |
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| − | Well, I totalled them all up and, at least at this point, ''not'' including minisodes, prequels or animations, the Tenth Doctor has appeared in 36 television stories (if you count Turn Left as separate from Stolen Earth and Journey's End, which the site does). Interestingly, the Eleventh Doctor has appeared in either 37 stories (if you consider A Good Man Goes to War and Let's Kill Hitler as being separate stories) or 36 (if you don't). The totals ''with'' minisodes (not prequels, since they didn't air on TV) are 39 for Ten (or 41 if you include the animated episodes) and 41/40 for Eleven. These totals will probably be subject to change by year's end though. [[User:Memnarc|Memnarc]] [[User talk:Memnarc|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:40, November 17, 2013 (UTC) |
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| − | == "Favoured Incarnations" == |
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| − | In the section on which incarnations liked or disliked previous versions, there is no mention of the meetings between the first, second and third, in which it is fairly obvious the first dislikes both since he refers to them as "a dandy and a clown". The second and third bicker constantly in their 2 televised meetings, suggesting they tolerate but dislike one another. Nor is there any mention of how the first, second and third seemed to all approve of the fifth during their meeting in "the Five Doctors". Nor is there any mention of the sixth and second's meeting in "the Two Doctors", dialogue in that episode implied the two appreciated each other. --[[User:Pittstop|Pittstop]] [[User talk:Pittstop|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 13:30, June 4, 2013 (UTC) |
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| − | ==What's up with the infoboxes== |
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| − | Why are they like that? Something's messed up.[[Special:Contributions/174.116.106.68|174.116.106.68]]<sup>[[User talk:174.116.106.68#top|talk to me]]</sup> 17:38, September 30, 2013 (UTC) |
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| − | :It's not the infoboxes. It's the entire site, but it just affects the infoboxes more than other items. It's either something that's being worked on or a bug that needs to be fixed. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:06, September 30, 2013 (UTC) |
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| − | == Paragraph on regeneration == |
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| − | : The exact circumstances surrounding the Doctor's regenerations were known with the exception of his eighth. ([[TV]]: ''[[The Tenth Planet (TV story)|The Tenth Planet]]'', et. al.) Although vague at times as to how many incarnations he had in his lifetime, an incident during the Doctor's fifth incarnation clarified the point. When asked by the First Doctor what regeneration he was up to, the Fifth Doctor answered, "Fourth," leading his first incarnation to exclaim, "Good heavens, so there are five of me now!" ([[TV]]: ''[[The Five Doctors (TV story)|The Five Doctors]]'') Similarly, while he was [[Craig Owens]]' lodger in [[Aickman Road]], the Eleventh Doctor explicitly called himself the eleventh. ([[TV]]: ''[[The Lodger (TV story)|The Lodger]]'') Clara also directly identified this incarnation of the Doctor as the eleventh. ([[TV]]: ''[[The Name of the Doctor (TV story)|The Name of the Doctor]]'') |
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| − | I understand over on [[Talk:The Doctor (The Name of the Doctor)]] there's contention over whether what we see in ''Night of the Doctor'' is a reveal of what the eighth regeneration is, or deliberate sleight-of-hand from Moffat, who has been proven to lie when promoting episodes (on top, the in-narrative evidence of regeneration being ''just'' off screen). That said, while I still think it's accurate to say Nine is Nine, Ten is Ten and Eleven is Eleven no matter whether Eighth is followed by Nine or "War Doctor", (the "War Doctor" guy doesn't actually go by "Doctor", so Nine is still the ninth incarnation known as "Doctor"), from what we supposedly see in ''Night'', Nine is not the eighth regeneration and Eleven is not the tenth regeneration. Supposedly. I feel that the easiest solution for this paragraph specifically is to leave it out, and THEN amend it once the full feature-length special clarifies things. -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 17:22, November 15, 2013 (UTC) |
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| − | So now that the 50th is over, the way I understand the doctor count. Someone please correct me If im wrong: |
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| − | 1st Doctor=1st Incarnation=William Hartnell |
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| − | 2nd Doctor=2nd Incarnation=Patrick Troughton |
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| − | 3rd Doctor=3rd Incarnation=Jon Pertwee |
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| − | 4th Doctor=4th Incarnation=Tom Baker |
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| − | 5th Doctor=5th Incarnation=Peter Davison |
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| − | 6th Doctor=6th Incarnation=Colin Baker |
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| − | 7th Doctor=7th Incarnation=Sylvester McCoy |
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| − | 8th Doctor=8th Incarnation=Paul McGann |
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| − | War Doctor=9th Incarnation=John Hurt |
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| − | 9th Doctor=10th Incarnation=Christopher Eccleston |
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| − | 10th Doctor=11th Incarnation=David Tennet |
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| − | 11th Doctor=12th Incarnation=Matt Smith |
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| − | 12th Doctor=13th Incarnation=Peter Capaldi |
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| − | If this is correct, then I think we can assume 2 things: One, when Matt Smith regenerates into Peter Capaldi the Valeyard, according to lore, will be created. Two, that unless the writers get clever, Peter Capaldi will play the final incarnation of the doctor. [[Special:Contributions/71.60.37.160|71.60.37.160]]<sup>[[User talk:71.60.37.160#top|talk to me]]</sup> 08:01, November 25, 2013 (UTC) |
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| − | ==[[War Doctor|The War Doctor]]== |
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| − | I notice that The war Doctor, as portrayed by John Hurt, has not been added to the slide-show-scroller of the Doctor's incarnations in the infobox. Is there any particular reason for this? - [[User:MrSiriusBlack|MrSiriusBlack]] [[User talk:MrSiriusBlack|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 10:19, December 19, 2013 (UTC) |
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| − | == New regenerations == |
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| − | *The Time Of The Doctor '''SPOILER ALERT''' |
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| − | According to what the Doctor said, he has been granted new regeneration cycle. I believe the cycle defines whole set of 12 regenerations. This was great way, since the Master was given additional regenerations from Time Lords before, proving it is not directly biological limit, rather than that, it is in control of Time Lords. |
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| − | Since War Doctor and Tenth's midlife "meta-crysis" regeneration now canonically count, 11th Doctor marks the end of previous cycle and this new cycle might get us up to 23rd Doctor, hopefully for another few decades. --[[User:TakeruDavis|TakeruDavis]] [[User talk:TakeruDavis|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:30, December 26, 2013 (UTC) |
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| − | "Despite having played the Doctor for less time and in fewer episodes than Tom Baker, Matt Smith holds the record for the most appearances in live-action television stories, with a total of 38, narrowly beating out David Tennant. If minisodes are counted, this total increases to 42." |
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| − | This isn't very true , is it? Tom Baker appeared in 41 stories (not including Shada), and Matt Smith appeared in 39. That's two more to Baker. He also doesn't narrowly beat David Tennant, who only appeared in 36 "stories". This implies Tennant is a lot higher than he actually is - he is five places below Baker. This whole "record" Smith supposedly holds isn't true in the slightest. [[Special:Contributions/86.139.19.168|86.139.19.168]]<sup>[[User talk:86.139.19.168#top|talk to me]]</sup> 00:34, January 26, 2014 (UTC) |
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| − | == Duration of Seven and Eight's lifespans == |
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| − | * Matt Smith's [[Eleventh Doctor|Doctor]] is also the longest-lived Doctor onscreen, spending at least 1500 years of his life in this incarnation (600 during his regular run and 900 during [[Siege of Trenzalore|his exile]] on [[Trenzalore]]). The [[Seventh Doctor|Seventh]] and [[Eighth Doctor|Eighth Doctors]] spent even larger periods of time in spin-off media ([[AUDIO]]: [[Frozen Time|<nowiki/>]][[Frozen Time (audio story)|''Frozen Time'']], ''[[Orbis (audio story)|Orbis]]'') |
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| − | Corrected the seemingly erroneous "1500" bit already, but both of the figures for Seven and Eight seem wrong. For one, Seven was in some sort of cryogenic coma as I recall, while Eight (at least according to the page of [[Orbis]]) only spent 600 years on the planet Orbis. -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 21:46, February 8, 2014 (UTC) |
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| − | ==Uh...something's wrong with the 'Docpic'== |
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| − | The infobox slideshow (or 'Docpic') seems to have completely messed itself up. It mashes all Doctors and shows Twelve's eyes at every transition. Is this deliberate, or is it just me, or...? [[User:OfficialBBC|OfficialBBC]] [[User talk:OfficialBBC|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:03, May 11, 2014 (UTC) |
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| − | :I'm having a slightly different issue (only seeing Twelve's eyes and all of One) but I know this template is being worked on, so give it a couple of days and if it's still acting wonky, we can bring it to the attention of the admin who's working on it. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:06, May 11, 2014 (UTC) |
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| − | == How many Doctors will there be == |
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| − | I was watching the special video right before the film premiere of the Day of the Doctor, the one where the Doctor tells you about how 3D works but there was something very interesting that I heard. |
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| − | The Eleventh Doctor (Matt Smith) said that he travelled in time to watch the 100 year special for the show and he said there were 57 Doctors, a total of 44 for from what year I am from. |
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| − | This video is highly non-canon but it is still there, it is on Youtube actually.What do you guys think? Will there be more Doctors?{{Unsigned-anon| 111.68.38.102}} |
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| − | :Since we don't '''know''' the answer to that question, and can only guess or speculate, this topic does not belong on this page, per [[Tardis:Discussion policy]]. If you'd like to speculate about this, you can take this topic to [[Howling:The Howling]]. Thanks. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:45, July 2, 2014 (UTC) |
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| − | == Question == |
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| − | Each of the Doctor's incarnation's has their special article. Shouldn't the cancelled 12th incarnation of the doctor have it's own article too? |
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| − | (The incarnation that 10th doctor was supposed to regenerate into, but he sent the regeneration energy into his Spare Hand, thus cancelling process and creating his human Meta-Crisis) |
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| − | [[User:Wario64|Wario64]] [[User talk:Wario64|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:44, July 11, 2014 (UTC) |
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| − | :It does have its own article, at [[Meta-Crisis Doctor]]. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:49, July 11, 2014 (UTC) |
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| − | I didn't mean Meta-Crisis. That was created from Doctor's Spare Hand by energy from regeneration. I meant the incarnation 10th Doctor will regenerate into at the end of The Stolen Earth and beggining of Journey's End, was it not for regeneration energy being transfered into Spare Hand. The meta-crisis is a side product of that regeneration. |
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| − | "to prevent his full transformation into another form." |
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| − | I mean the "another form" |
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| − | :Well, why would we do that? We don't have anything to put on the page, other than "This incarnation of the Doctor never existed because the Tenth Doctor preserved his body during a regeneration." We might as well create pages for the faces offered to the Doctor at the end of ''The War Games'': potential third incarnations that never came to pass. I just don't see the need for the page. --[[User:Bold Clone|<span style="color:darkblue">'''Bold'''</span>]] [[User Talk:Bold Clone|<span style="color:gold">'''Clone'''</span>]] 20:39, July 11, 2014 (UTC) |
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| − | ::In addition to what Bold Clone says, I also left you a message on your talk page when you tried to create a page for this "other form". In short, this wiki only cares about what '''already happened''', not what will happen or what could have happened. In particular, we don't allow '''any''' speculation. Hope that clears things up. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:27, July 12, 2014 (UTC) |
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| − | :They should definitely not be on this page, '''especially''' in the case of River and Jenny. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:53, March 1, 2015 (UTC) |
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Revision as of 23:53, 2 March 2020
Infobox Image Update
Hello. Is there any possibility of updating the images used for both the Twelfth Doctor and the Thirteenth Doctor's for ones that are more appropriate? I guess I get the "eyebrows" thing so that image isn't *too* bad I suppose (still think better could be done), but surely the Thirteenth Doctor deserves an image of herself in her actual clothing rather than the image currently in use which is from her opening story The Woman Who Fell to Earth and displays her still wearing the ragged and battered remains of her previous incarnation's clothing? I hope you'll take these suggestions under advisement. Thank you for reading. --Alan-WK ☎ 02:19, January 13, 2020 (UTC)
The Timeless Child
So, obviously there will have to be some changes. For starters, the Jo Martin Doctor added to More Ambiguous section of the Doctor's incarnations. Other than that, how big a rewrite are we looking at and how much should be kept to other pages likeTimeless Child?--TheOneTrueJack ☎ 21:00, March 1, 2020 (UTC)
- Well, as far as I can put it together, it's the 8 Timeless Child regenerations, at least 5 more, the 8 Morbius regenerations, Ruth, 4 more, Hartnell - Matt, Capaldi - Present. We know that the Timeless Child regenerations and the Morbius ones can't be the same cycle as the Doctor was kidified after each 13, so it seems. So Jodie is not, at least the 27th Doctor now.--HarryPotterRules1 ☎ 21:16, March 1, 2020 (UTC)
- If we take it that The Timeless Child was at the start of Time Lord society and for whatever reason was never cryogenically frozen or forced into the future. Then it stands to reason that he/she is as old as Time Lord society. In The Ultimate Foe who we used to call The Sixth Doctor says that they've been around for 10 Million years. Now if we take The Eleventh Doctors life of 1100 years as a measure for a standard regenerations life span as this was the longest and seemed to die of natural causes. Then at MINIMUM The Doctor has had 9,090,909 lives which is not including any that were cut short by falling off any cliffs or mother figures experimenting on them. --Thebobbrom ☎ 23:53, March 2, 2020 (UTC)
- It seems like the Thirteen lives rule was put in place much later on. So that wouldn't apply to the Timeless Child incarnations --TheOneTrueJack ☎ 21:24, March 1, 2020 (UTC)
- Well obviously we can't do that. The Morbius Doctors can be referred to as such, and the Timeless Child incarnations can be included in the Timeless Child page. But should they both (as two sperate groups) be put in the More Ambiguous section of the Doctor's incarnations? And how much should the main Doctor page talk about them? – The preceding unsigned comment was added by TheOneTrueJack (talk • contribs) .
Well, that's the thing. I don't believe the Doctor is bound to the 13 lives. The Timelords just sort of "kid-i-fied" the Doctor again when he reached the end of his 13 "lives"; that's what the whole Brendan stuff was. The Doctor believed he was bound to the 13 "lives" because he didn't remember anything before hand. But, in actuality, he wasn't bound to it at all. So it could literally be the 8 on the table plus 5 more - then kid-i-fied and made to forget - then the 8 morbius, Ruth and 4 more - then Kid-i-fied and made to forget - then Hartnell onwards and the Timelords only gave the "new" cycle to the Doctor to hide their lie.--HarryPotterRules1 ☎ 21:46, March 1, 2020 (UTC)
- That would make sense if the Time Lords didn't have to restore the Doctor's regeneration ability in The Time of the Doctor. Though if they restored the Doctor's original ability, it would explain the ambiguity of how many regenerations the Doctor has now.--WarGrowlmon18 ☎ 21:55, March 1, 2020 (UTC)
- The Timeless Child could regenerate indefinitely. But THE DOCTOR was limited to 13 lives. That's not really a matter of perspective. It was seen that the Doctor could only regenerate 12 times. This means that the limitation of 12 regenerations was also bestowed on the Doctor, or maybe perhaps after they "stopped" being the Timeless Child. --DCLM ☎ 22:02, March 1, 2020 (UTC)
- That's my point. Did they restore it? I believe the Doctor was bound to the 13 body limits because he believed he was. He actually wasn't - he just thought he was because he believed he was a Timelord, when he isn't - he's something different. The Timelords gave him a "new" cycle to hide the truth of what he was - constantly and continually able to regenerate.--HarryPotterRules1 ☎ 22:04, March 1, 2020 (UTC)
- No, wrong. We know now that the Doctor is not a Timelord. The Doctor is an entirely different species who was studied by the original Timelord/Shebogan to create regeneration. The Doctor only believed she/he was a Timelord. --HarryPotterRules1 ☎ 22:18, March 1, 2020 (UTC)
- I'm up with Harry. The Doctor is not a Timelord anymore, but the "ancestor" species of the Time Lords: a Timeless Child (not official name but just to make it clear). --Con Carne (Di la verdad, o cobras...) 10:09, March 2, 2020 (UTC)
- No. The Doctor was MADE into a Time Lord. Also whoever changed the page, please don't just change it without a conclusion to this. Con Carne, don't just make a change this major. It needs proper discussion. You and Harry agreeing, doesn't alone make it so. We need proper consultation that admins also join in on before we can just decide something this major. --DCLM ☎ 10:19, March 2, 2020 (UTC)
This is a discussion for the Board of Discussions. I'll make a thread. --DCLM ☎ 10:21, March 2, 2020 (UTC)
- Just one thing, it wasn't me, I haven't changed anything in the article. :( --Con Carne (Di la verdad, o cobras...) 11:49, March 2, 2020 (UTC)