I'm still new to this wiki, so I figured I'd ask here rather than make the change myself. If Victory of the Daleks counts as an appearance of the Nazis, should Empty Child/Doctor Dances be included as well? TweedJacket 19:29, April 18, 2010 (UTC)
- That's a really good question. Personally, I'd count The Empty Child as a full-on appearance, because we literally see German aircraft. Others might disagree with me, since they're a "background" menace. In Victory it's more implied; I don't think we actually see anything German at all in the episode. But appearance lists usually allow for "mentions", as with Dalek. CzechOut ☎ | ✍ 03:17, April 19, 2010 (UTC)
- We do see some German Stukas, but they get destroyed by the Dalek Fan555 10:06, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
This article is in bad need of an update, as it fails to include any meaningful attempt to chronicle Nazi appearances. A list just don't cut it, especially when that list is obviously missing major adventures. For instance, aside from the introductory Colditz, there's no mention of any adventure with Elizabeth Klein, who's actually a Nazi companion of the Seventh Doctor. This is perhaps understandable, as these audios are rather new, but, still, the article needs to be updated, as it fails to mention this fairly major character.
I also think the article should be moved from "Nazism" to "Nazi". The article, as written, doesn't really speak to the "-ism" at all, but rather seems to be about people who were Nazis. I'd move it, but I'm not terribly sure what focus the original editors meant the article to have. I'm sure the word "Nazism" has appeared in DW, so it's not a conjectural title. But it would seem easier to change the name of the article and write about the Doctor and Jack's interaction with particular Nazis, than to chronicle the impact of Nazism on the DWU. CzechOut ☎ | ✍ 03:16, April 19, 2010 (UTC)
- I agree. (As the first line suggests) the article is about "Nazis" not the concept of Nazism. Tardis1963 09:25, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
I wasn't sure whether to write more about the Nazis' history and ideology, and the meaning that "Nazi" has to the post-War world, especially in the UK. Since I didn't want to do all that writing just to have it erased, I gave only the briefest sketches of that, and focused almost entirely on Doctor Who involvement.
I've never heard any of the relevant BFAs, or read The Shadow in the Glass, and it's been a long time since I read Just War, Illegal Aliens, or Timewyrm: Exodus. Fortunately, there are detailed summaries online for all of them. Unfortunately, that's not true for Timebenders, so I didn't mention anything about that story at all.
Also, if there are any stories that were missing from the list of appearances, they're still missing there, and in the article.
Attempting to organize things chronologically may have been a mistake. For one thing, it's hard to reconcile a successful Battle of Britain leading to occupied Guernsey (Just War) with a failed Battle of Britain leading to the Blitz terror bombing (most other stories, and real life). And most of the Nazi stories jump around in time quite a bit, so either the discussions had to get ahead of themselves (as with the Timewyrm) or the same stories had to appear multiple times (as with Silver Nemesis), and neither one seems very good.
Finally, the bit about the Blitz seems particularly weak. I didn't want to leave Empty Child and VotDaleks out, or people would just add them. But there really isn't much to say about them.
Anyway, hopefully others can improve this now that something's here. --Falcotron 08:56, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
One more thing: would a "list of notable Nazis" or something like that be useful? Obviously it would include Hitler, Himmer, Goering, etc. And De Flores, Elizabeth Klein, Hitler Jr., and any other major Nazi and neo-Nazi characters. What about Johann Schmidt (did he use that name as the 6th and 7th Doctors at the same time...?) and whatever Ace and the Brig went by? --Falcotron 09:06, May 30, 2010 (UTC)