Is there a source for the term "Mondan"? I always thought it was "Mondasian". Also, should this page be called "Horse (Spare Parts)? Tardis1963 talk 00:58, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
- Both Mondan and Mondasian have a presence in the DWU. Mondasian has recently been rewritten and sourced to explain this situation a bit better. But they are, in a lot of ways, synonyms. There's also Forum:Are the Cyberman factions REF-only? for the detailed research results. If, however, you want to suggest it should be "Mondasian" cause you like that term better, it's fine with me. They're both acceptable demonyms. In any event, it probably should get a redirect from the term not being used as the title.
- As for whether this should be Horse (Spare Parts), I understand the rationale, but my initial feeling is that it's more helpful going with a locational name for species of non-sentient animals, and perhaps a few others.
- It seems to me that, the point of disambiguation is clarity. If you're going to add a dab term then it should narrow things down. There are certainly some cases where we use story title disambiguation for species. Vogan (Revenge of the Cybermen) and Vogan (The Vogan Slaves) leaps to mind. But this works only because they're relatively minor species, and there's little chance of an individual in the DWU getting the name "Vogan".
- "Horse" is to my mind quite different — in part because horses are so much more ubiquitous, but also because "Horse" is a plausible individual name. Horse (Story name) could mean a lot of different things:
- It could mean a particular unnamed horse in a story, but one that was important enough to the plot to warrant an article.
- It could mean a horse named Horse in (Story name)
- It could mean an individual of another species named Horse in (Story name)
- It could mean, as you suggest, a species of horse in (Story name)
- Moreover, there's the question of how clear such disambiguation would be in the case of a story that takes place in different locations. If you said "Horse (A Good Man Goes to War)", where would that horse be from? 19th century Earth? Demons Run? The battlefield where the Sontaran was? Dorium's planet?
- I'm usually all for the story title disambiguation, but I'm really struggling to see the utility of that with non-sentient species. At this stage, I'm leaning in favor of a title that's as clear as possible when the author hasn't given us a proper species name.
- But I've really only been considering this whole problem for about a day. Perhaps others can add some greater insight?
czechout ☎ ✍ 03:29: Sun 08 Apr 2012
Mondasian definently sounds like the better term to me - I'll move it.
You have some very good points above - horse is a species, not a person. Perhaps it should be put in the MoS etc. that species are to be disambiguated by locale rather than story?
What about Dr. Who (Dr. Who and the Daleks) though? Tardis1963 talk 09:15, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
Another question: Does Spare Parts not actually call them horses? The conjecture tag suggests that it is assumed that they are called horses - are they not named as such? Tardis1963 talk 09:22, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
Merger with horse[]
The merger tag currently on this page argues that because it looks like a horse, trots like a horse, it therefore is exactly the same as an Earth horse and therefore should be merged.
Merging the articles however would present many issues, such as complicating the infobox by having to have Earth / Mondas in the origin field.
Also as T:EVIL TWIN says 'no subject is too small'. To quote the text on the merger tag;
- I see no justification to presume that a horse from Mondas isn't the same as any regular ol' horse without substantial evidence.
There is also no reason to presume they are the same either. We work with the facts presented. --Tangerineduel / talk 14:32, September 28, 2017 (UTC)