@PFisherCockburn, I agree with you. Good points.
@Neosaiyan7, he's been dramatic about it?
I guess another thing that I can't stick, is how our hero often acts like the ultimate authority on absolutely everything, even if he just knows nothing at first and then decides how every single thing has to be.
@Neosaiyan7, sometimes our hero ends up in a 'kill or be killed' situation.
@BenGMan730, but as I say, you try, but sometimes you can't save everyone, regardless of who it is.
@TheCritic&RobloxMaster21, I agree with you there.
Sometimes I dislike how any version of our hero can often just be a motormouth, like the gobby kid at school who didn't know when to shut up.
@Grandpa Lo70, sounds a bit like the Combined Combatant.
@BenGMan730, I think he knows full well that you just can't save everyone.
@Shambala108, you've got a point.
@Mick-Hannick, point #2 I can certainly agree with.
Which version are we talking?
Old Queen Victoria has passed? Oh dear. RIP.
If the show is somehow on television by then...hmm. Daleks, Cybermen are definites. But...this is probably going to sound stupid, but...it could be a load of the greatest (or one representative thereof), merged together like the Combined Combatant in one of the Gokaiger movies. Thoughts?
@Icecreamdif, or a ripoff thereof. I mean, they did it twice over with Freddy Krueger in 2010 (Amy's Choice and SJA).
Could have him go off against a horror villain. Michael "The Shape" Myers, perhaps?
Could work. Say that there's an alien hiding in plain sight (I remember they said something similar in one of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movies, where Raphael (I think) says Halloween is the one night he and the others can walk the streets openly).
Some people have tried to do Who-related Halloween stories (one of my favourites is an SJA one, "Sky's First Halloween", on Wattpad). There's some drive for it away from the current writers.
Or...a small sketch, or short something in place of a full episode outright. Thoughts?
No, I don't think this will work.
But why did #14 get to keep living? Why did he separate from #15 and get full-time Earth living?
@Talon1105, right. OK. He'd better do the mother and father of all good jobs on it. No deus ex machina endings, no introducing elements that get cut last minute.
@Darkmaster345, they'll get yours truly watching again if the fantasy elements get dumped, big time. It just didn't work, what I saw of it. Bring the old villains back, more escapism, and some old friends too, not just UNIT drones.
@FH2104, right. Thanks. As I say, it's been a long time, and this was on late at night when I saw it.
Liked the ending, with Graham and Ryan together, fighting the good fight.
But...I think there's something...I know they mentioned UNIT and Torchwood as being the professionals in alien protection, how come they said nothing at all re Bannerman Road? The hat trick of alien defenders?
I'm so sceptical about this. I seriously hope it's not more of the same stuff RTD gave out over the last two years.
Speaking of him, has he picked a lane? I.e. whether he's writing, or executive producer or whatever his title is. Sorry if I didn't get the correct title.
@Grandpa Lo70, thanks. Sorry. I think I saw something late night, a load of Daleks stream into the TARDIS and it promptly explodes. It wasn't this episode, was it? Or did I get confused?
This the one where the TARDIS got totalled? How did it come back?
Why?
And those thinking that DT can't come back, they essentially left him on Earth, an open door. And I think any alien invasion is far too much for the character to resist.
@FH2104, the Master, Davros and both Masters died anyway. Series 5...call it all the creatures. Series 8, the Cybermen blew themselves up en masse. 1, 2, 4, Daleks yes, and Cybermen in 2.
I saw Batman Begins a few weeks ago, and it shows how Ra's al Ghul is ultimately responsible for the deaths of Bruce's parents when he was a boy. Batman refuses to kill him, but leaves him behind in the monorail crash. Mad Max, he goes after the gang who killed his wife, son and best friend.
The spy novel...the main character initially refuses to kill his nemesis, but becomes aware that the nemesis is about to shoot him, but fires first.
Or try For Your Eyes Only: Bond talks Melina out of shooting Kristatos, but Columbo kills Kristatos when he attempts to kill Bond. Would that kind of ending work here? Where the villain bites the dust attempting to assassinate the hero?
This was...again, a few problems. I get the UNIT disappearance was for #13's entire run, but how can it impact Torchwood too? No mention of other groups? Coal Hill, Bannerman Road.
The parody of Bond...just felt rubbish.
The ending where she betrays the Master to I think it was the SS...a fair few voices in the fandom feel this doesn't feel like something any version of our hero should ever do.
For me...I just decided to walk away from the show at this point. I sort of returned at the 60th.
@FH2104, it works a lot better. The villain, pure evil with no redeeming qualities whatsoever, dies. Worked for all of the previous series finales.