Timeless Child

I’ve been scrolling on instagram and I basically stalk the Official Doctor Who page. They have recently posted a sneak peek for the empire of death which airs on the 21st of June. In the trailer we hear The Doctor speaking to someone (Could Be Himself). He says, “We are the last of the time lords, The last two hearts” I believe he is talking to himself since he has two hearts. Meanwhile in Jodie Whittakers run The Doctor is revealed to be a Timeless Child which discredited a lot of the stuff placed in the show before. Now again with Russel T. Davis back we might be seeing that since the 13th Doctors run wasn’t good and ruined the show (No Hate to you if you liked those seasons.) So they are trying to revert that and basically say that it’s not canon to the actual lore. More awnser might be revealed when the Whotopia (New Version) and annual come out later this year.

Okay, while i am looking forward to Ncuti Gatwa, i cant help but feel a bit disappointed in RTDs second go. His first time was really amazing especially with the difficult task of winning over both old fans and new.

I lost interest in chibnals mostly lacklustre scripts, and I didn’t really see the point in the timeless child other than chibnal putting his own story in and adding a type of pain to the doctors history, plus it felt unneededed. I was really disappointed that he didn’t change it, or even made itr better or ignored it.

Ironically, while the davros thing would get a bit of getting used to, i could actually live with it, despite how silly the episode was.

The one thing i have is

And i have no issue with trans, as a matter of fact from my personal experience, they are nice and there are artists who i really admired in terms of thge art and people, being trans doesn’t negate that, i will always respect them. The issue with the star beast was that lecture from rose and doctor Donna, which was a hit below the belt to the doctor.

Im not sure about changing the origins of Isaac Newton, i know it’s a fictional show, and no hate to the actor,

Im not sure about the new regeneration thing, too. Im not even sure what the purpose is though.

Sorry about the wall of text

One of the best specials, I think. It had a pretty good beginning and excellent effects+acting. One thing that really kind of bugged me though, was the resolution of the story- the bi-generation gimmick+the way a new tardis got formed out of nowhere just felt really..... lazy. Tennant was fantastic here but the writing here felt really weird. I'm excited for what comes next but frankly, it could have been done a LOT better. The plus sides were the Timeless Child being fixed up and the master returning imo. I just wish that they had maybe leaned into the idea that the Toymaker had been manipulating the Doctor's life instead of referencing the idea of it.

I understand Davies isn't going to retcon the Timeless Child arc, but in a few years time, a future writer/showrunner could use my theory.

We know Ruth comes before the 13th Doctor, and 2 popular theories include her being pre-Hartnell, and the other being her being in between the second and third Doctor. However, both of these are flawed as Ruth's TARDIS is stuck as a police box, and the first Doctor was the one who first realised this, while Ruth being between 2 and 3 doesn't work as it would mean that David Tennant wouldn't be able to regenerate into Matt Smith since his aborted regeneration in The Stolen Earth was supposed to be the last one, rather than 11's regeneration in Time of The Doctor.

So, here is my idea. We never saw the old 11th Doctor deaging back to his younger self at the end of Time of The Doctor, so this could very well have been where the Fugitive Doctor appeared. She might have flew the TARDIS out of Trenzalore, lived her secret life then regenerated. The Time Lords never disclosed how many extra regenerations the Doctor got in Hell Bent, so who knows if Ruth had regenerated several times before regenerating back into Matt Smith's Doctor, returning to Clara where he would become Peter Capaldi's Doctor. This would also mean that the Curator's promise of revisiting old faces in the 50th anniversary special would be fulfilled a lot sooner!

Before you ask, Ruth could have changed the TARDIS interior to the one seen in Series 12 back to 11's before she returned to Clara. As for 13 not recognising Ruth, the Doctor could always have lost his/her memory after Ruth's incarnation died.

Any flaws you find in this idea are welcome to be shared so I can improve the idea.

Let me preface this by saying that I know a LOT of people despise this series. I do too! Orphan 55 is genuinely one of the stupidest episodes I have ever seen and the make-up on Hyphen is just awful. The timeless child arc and the revolution of the daleks special that basically retconned the entirety of the show really disappointed me. That being said, however, I really feel like it received too much hate. If you disagree with me, I totally understand! I'd just like to know why you think that, because I'll be presenting my favorite parts of the series. Let me know what you think!

SPYFALL

Honestly I really really liked this episode. Jodie was finally given a competent script that showcased her talents and I could see a little bit of the Doctor finally shining through! The visuals and direction were absolutely SPECTACULAR. The camerawork and CGI were beautiful to behold. The eiffel tower scene was BEAUTIFUL, but the plot was fairly complicated. However, I really did enjoy it. But it kind of annoyed me how they completely destroyed the character of Missy for a one-off (sort of) villain.

FUGITIVE OF THE JUDOON

It wasn't bad, but it wasn't great. Really really interesting implications and I was hooked. The Captain Jack teasing did annoy me, though. I wish they'd actually made him a part of the episode because I didn't appreciate that. I did enjoy the episode, though. Jo Martin had an interesting take on the doctor that I've grown to appreciate.

PRAXEUS

Chibnall got a little too pushy on the plot with the ethics and morals, but I did enjoy it when I first watched it! The plot drew me in and I liked the characters and ideas it used. I totally understand if you didn't though, it did have some flaws.

CAN YOU HEAR ME?

I didn't hate it but upon my first watch I kind of enjoyed it, I guess? Pretty engaging story but the Doctor talking to herself kind of annoyed me. I didn't like that, I thought it was weird. That being said, though, I kind of enjoyed it in a way!

THE HAUNTING OF VILLA DIODATI

I really really really liked this episode! The suspense, the VFX, and Ashad were incredible to see and I really liked it.

ASCENSION OF THE CYBERMAN/TIMELESS CHILDREN

Again, as I've said before, stunning CGI and effects. It was beautiful to watch and I loved the visuals. However, the direction they chose was really strange. I appreciated the cyberman redesign but the choice to DESTROY gallifrey, AGAIN, was ridiculous. We'd finally gotten it back, and Chris decided to write it off! That really really really bugged me and I was very irritated. Howevever, it did make for a good watch, and the scene where the Doctor overloaded the matrix with her thoughts was super cool. The Boundary was really weak writing and I definitely agree with the idea that the Timeless Child should've been the Master. Annoyed me for sure, but it was fun to watch and I really enjoyed it despite the stupid storywriting.

What did you think? I'm really interested to hear everyone's thoughts on this! I've never posted to a Doctor Who community and I'm really nervous. I totally understand if you disagree, I'd LOVE to hear your takes on it. I'm really curious to hear y'all's opinions. I hope you have a lovely day :)

Why can't the doctor remember anything pre-Hartnell?

I'm coming back after years and I'm lost

"The Timeless Children" is an episode which has been hated on quite a lot because of the plot twist. Before we start‚i'd like to say there are no pre-hartnell doctors‚only pre-hartnell incarnations. The Fugitive Doctor is an incarnation of the doctor and it's one of those incarnations where we dont know where the hell to put her on the timeline,like that of the Curator. There are many theories,but I'd say that the Season 6B theory is most plausible. In The War Games,we never see the second doctor regenerate,we only see faces of him fly around himself as he falls into the void. The second doctor could've had a regeneration like the tenths,with him not actually changing. This leads us to the second second doctor and also Season 6B with the multi doctor specials. The second doctor eventually gets caught and regenerates into the fugitive and is forced to work for the Division as a punishment.

The Fugitive Doctor is not pre-hartnell,only post-troughton and pre-pertwee. So now we've proved the pre-hartnell fugitive theory isn't true,let's try and fix the actual problem itself:The Timeless Child.

How did the eleventh get a new set of regenerations if he had infinite? Because he didn't. The Timeless Child was used to give Time Lords regeneration abilities,but they only had 12 regenerations and 13 bodies. Why would The Timeless Child not also get 12 regenerations? The first face of morbius seen in their debut serial is eventually found and turned into the first doctor. The first doctor is very young at first but eventually has a grandchild called Susan. He takes on the alias "The Doctor",making him the first doctor. He got limited to 12 regenerations (those being him,troughton,pertwee,baker,davison,baker,mccoy,mcgann,eccleston,tennant and smith) and his memory was wiped.

This was until the Thirteenth Doctor (with a new ongoing regeneration cycle,with the only ones apart of it currently known being Capaldi,Whittaker,Tennant & Gatwa) re-met the Master and he trapped her in the Matrix,leading to her learning a lot of things about herself including The Timeless Child & The Faces Of Morbius (the fourth doctor might've had a slight memory of the faces of morbius as he exclaims "no not that far back" or something like that).

So I heard a lot of people hated the Timeless Child thingy. Personally, I'm not happy with it but I thought it wasn't the absolute worst thing that they could have done with the series.

But people still really hated it so I'm going suggest some ideas on how the next writers, whoever they may be, could undo this thing.

1. Jodie Whittaker was not actually the doctor. The doctor is actually somehow perceiving everything from a different timelord, and was actually not the timeless child.

2. Mistaken identity. The doctor is actually not the timeless child, but everyone thought she/he/they were, and went nuts on a wild goose chase.

3. Elaborate lie. This whole entire Timeless Child thing was a huge lie set up by the Division to keep the doctor out of their business while they move to that other universe.

4. It wAs aLl a dReAm!1!11!Self explanatory. A desperate bid, sure, but viable.

So what do you think of my ideas?

I have a theory that the ‘Scream of the Shalka’ Doctor is in fact a previous Doctor working for the Division (ie. before the Fugitive Doctor), and another about the Master in it as well, but I’ll get to that in a bit. The ‘Shalka’ Doctor says to himself as he arrives that “they” (almost definitely the Time Lords) had sent him there, and has a feel of reluctance about it; definitely doing his job, but not entirely comfortable being ordered around all the time - very much like the Doctor. There’s nothing mentioned in the story that directly contradicts this theory, which is more that can be said for a lot of established aspects of the show.

I think that the TARDIS being a Police Box in this as well kind of works in a way since the Fugitive Doctor also had a Police Box TARDIS - something which I think was very much overlooked on Chibnall’s behalf. This, however, kind of gives it a bit more credibility, in that the TARDIS was stuck as a Police Box for the Division Doctors (probably issued to them brand new), but one day got stuck as a Police Box, but when - centuries later - the First Doctor stole it, it reverted back to that as a kind of memory or continuation. This goes back to the idea that the TARDIS is sentient and knows what’s best for the Doctor, as shown in ‘The Doctor’s Wife’.

Now for the Master…

The ‘Android’ Master in ‘Scream of the Shalka’ said that he was given the choice to die or become, essentially, the Doctor’s pet. What if the Division contacted the Master just at the moment of death (as the Time Lords did Clara), and offered him this choice. Then suppose that this moment was in fact when Missy ‘dies’ on the Mondasian ship. This would mean that the ‘redeemed’ Missy was offered to help a previous version of the Doctor or face death. Knowing the Master, the non-death option would always be taken, but it seems almost perfect that Missy is given this chance to do what she was working for over millennia to do. This also explains that when we see the Master next in ‘Spyfall’, he’s back to his mad old self - the Master was ‘recruited’ and therefore learned about the Division and the Timeless Child and so on, explaining how he came across the information in the first place (I know it says he hacked the Matrix, but how or why he did that, and especially at this point in time, is beyond me). I feel like this ties in nicely with the already established Timeless Child timeline, but also gives Missy’s ‘redemption arc’ the send off it deserves. It’s also just nice to be able to fit ‘Scream of the Shalka’ into the Doctor Who timeline because it’s just great.

If you’ve made it this far, I have to say thank you and also well done. Let me know what you make of this if it hasn’t just been paragraphs of sheer nonsense.

It's not a surprise that Doctor Who Series 12 and Doctor Who Flux has brought up some of the biggest questions in Doctor Who canon. Like Who are Azure and Swarm? What is The Flux? What's the conection with The Division and The Doctor?

This episode had mentioned that "TIME" itself is a villian, also Swarm had said that "Time will go runing wild and The Tardis won't like it." Now we know that The Doctor is The Timeless Child so maybe he is the person who assembled the Maouri to trap "Time". Timeless against Time, you got it? It has it's logic.

Who is Swarm?And Azure? Maybe some sort of guardians of "Time" that with the help of The Division, The Doctor trapped. Swarm was in the Division custody, but Azure was in a human body and brainwashed maybe a sideffect of Maori keeping the TIME in check?

The Division are The Timelords so is no surprise that they will want The Doctor without his/her memory(he/she forgets that can regenerate more than 12 times).

We also know that Swarm and Azure have the opose power of The Doctor:

The Doctor can regenarate unlimated

Swarm and Azure can kill unlimited

So that makes sense The Doctor wants to keep Time in check and preserve life and Swarm wants Time(The Flux) to destroy everything.

Why I say That "Time" is the Flux? Go above a little when I explained that "TIME" is The Doctor's most powerful enemy.

This episode had mentioned that "TIME" itself is a villian, also Swarm had said that "Time will go runing wild and The Tardis won't like it."

When The Flux begin The Tardis start to work bad. When The Tardis worked that bad? When an unknown entity(TIME/The Flux) made it explode in 11'th Doctor first series(Series 5 Last 2 episodes)?! Now I don't say that they planed Series 13 when working on Series 5 but is canon afterall and The Tardis doesn't take it too well! Also The Tardis didn't stand a chance against The Flux in first episode also. Now you got it?

What do you think? I am close of something?

Who else knew the doctor was the timeless child aside from:

Rassilon

Tecteun

Omega

Romana

The Eleven

The Master

I thought the Doctor started at the FIRST doctor