User talk:The Librarian

Hi, just to let anyone know I've currently started on Doctor Who Magazine related pages which I hope will be comprehensive (I promise I'll catch up soon).I had to start somewhere but if anyone has suggestions or requests for details they would find useful / interesting or both, please let me know.Hope I can help! The Librarian 01:36, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi...
 * 1) It would perhaps be better for in those cases to have a | and still keep the text of the article ie: Dalek amd Mutants from the planet Skaro, they both link to the same page, but different text. Or if this doesn't suit perhaps in brackets a small explanation of what the article is about. (Also on a side note I removed the brackets mainly because it was a slightly messy way of displaying the information and looked slightly out of place.)


 * 1) Feel free to use the page layout you've implemented (the only things I ask you add is the ==External Links== at the end and also at the very bottom of the page (rather than your categories, just as this one keeps everything separate). So there could obviously be a Credits section of the page after the Contents or wherever you want, as I said when I went through and edited I kept all your headings etc.
 * 1) As for other articles just add a heading or whatever, there isn't any approval process. There are various articles spread throughout the Manual of Style and help pages which act as a guide to various topics. But in general if there's enough information (especially stub articles) then just add it, the exception is the TV, Book, CD and Anthology pages which have a very established page layout and it's generally best to stick to those. A rule of thumb is to look at similar pages around it as an idea.

Hope this is of some assistance (anything else I'll try to answer also). --Tangerineduel 18:30, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Re Message
''Hi, sorry, I was trying to clean up my talk page and accidently deleted content from the welcome template. Can you please re-edit it to recover it 'cos as a newbie I appreciated it and now feel guilty. PS where do I find out how to remove it from my talk page? I won't play with it again in case you can re-edit it back. sorry. The Librarian 01:52, 30 July 2007 (UTC)''

To go back through your page's history (like all pages) just click the History link at the top of the page. Also you can just highlight it all and delete it (removing all content from your page).

Also (while not nesscary...as others will inevitably place it in) categories at the base of pages is a good idea as it will help others when working on your pages. (Generally looking at other pages similar to your page you're creating will help).

This also goes for formating and other things, take a look at some of the pages that have a lot of edits, or even some of the CD or novel pages which are generally all laid out in a similar fashion to one another for ease of reading, or the TV stories (most of which have been fixed...some still aren't onto the full Manual of Style)...but the formatting is still there for the most part.

While I'm on my formating spiel, when reading large chunks of information, bullet points (first at least) makes for an easier read, after the bullet points it can be simple indentation (or indented bullet points), it just makes for an easier to read article.

Any other questions feel free to ask. --Tangerineduel 13:10, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

On a second side note I've also altered the prefixes (sorry again if you already have some typed up), but DWMH was a little specific, so I've changed it to DWMS (Doctor Who Magazine Specials). --Tangerineduel 12:07, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Comic Template
The comic template basically follows the TV/Novel/CD layout, which allows for the best information to be laid out in an easy to read way.,

From what you're writing (I may be reading in in correctly) but you're suggesting we have different articles for each part of the comic strip (not even the TV stories get that treatment so the comics are definatley not).

I think your 'first appearance' and re-print subheadings should go under 'Notes'. With the infobox listing both if possible (separated by a  to put it on a new line).

Or alternatively have two separate pages one for the B&W and one for the colour, for the page names just The Comic Name (First Printing) or (B&W) and then the second one would be something of that variation. If you believe there's a large enough different to warrant a separate page.

Formating again is a generic term, and you can put whatever you want in it, such as any detail you've noted.

As far as references... In the pages that have references and continuity as part of the layout they each mean something different. References refers to in-universe stuff, such as the Doctor encountered Davros on Skaro.

Continuity on the other hand is: The Doctor met Davros in Genesis of the Daleks and then consequently in Destiny of the Daleks.

Infobox
The Previous/Next stories are a valid part of the infobox, and they do allow for each story to be placed within a regular published continuity. Even the wacky stories have a place and more than one story can be placed within the infobox (for an example see The Dying Days.)

Also in the strictest sense the Following story and Next story boxes refer to what followed it exactly, ie the next/previous story published.

For continuity take a look at some of the Bernice Summerfield stories such as The Mirror Effect, which has a listing for the previous and next stories, but also contains a Timeline listing which has: Which places it within a larger story structure.
 * The Mirror Effect occurs after: A Life of Surprises
 * The Mirror Effect occurs before: The Bellotron Incident

Each comic story isn't just regulated by the categories on the bottom there's also the Series: box on the top of the info box.

Author is a pretty generic term, which is applicable to everything (and more to the point you get instant recognition with author rather than 'scripted by')

I will redesign the infobox so it includes:
 * Editor
 * Colourist
 * Lettering

So it will go:
 * Series
 * Series Number
 * Doctor
 * Companions
 * Enemy
 * Setting
 * Author
 * Editor
 * Artist
 * Colourist
 * Lettering
 * Published in
 * Publication
 * Publisher
 * Format
 * Previous story
 * Following story

As I agree since they're covered in the credits of most modern comics (it won't get done tonight...yeah it's night where I am, about 3am, but sometime tomorrow it will appear and I'll put a note in your talk)

Other stuff
The minor edits thing, I was just looking through the additions you made to the Eighth Doctor comic strips, you had minro edit ticked but had added extra companions and a lot of text. Just thought i'd note it down.

Also, just have a look around some of the other pages (the CD, Novel, TV, etc) and you might get some ideas from those, as you've rather thrown yourself in the deep going straight into creating pages first out.

Feel free to get back to me on any questions or anything i haven't addressed. --Tangerineduel 17:29, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Just one further note It's Bigger on the Inside and The Doctor Who Fun Book, inside Out i Noticed on your specials page...they aren't DWM specials but books in their own right (as such will get their own infobox and listing...probably in the Reference Books or in the novels or somewhere) when I get around it them. --Tangerineduel 17:33, 1 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Hey, just a few (more) minor things. Have had to delete a few articles, namely K-9's Finest Hour and The Outsiders articles for the Back Up comic strip stories because they were multiple copies. As for K-9's Finest Hour, it'd recommend typing out the article title within the web browser rather than copying and pasting it in from (what I'm assuming is Word), as Word formats the apostrophe differently to the simple text based within the web browser (the same goes for "...", which also gets formatted differently), I say this because I've done it in the past (and becomes frustrating when you try to search for something with "..." in the title and nothing comes up.
 * The Outsiders article was deleted because in the Back Up comic strips list it was listed as The Outsider, and also The Outsiders is the term for the people outsider Gallifrey. (also see my talk page for response to question) --Tangerineduel 07:38, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Comic Infobox
Hey, well I decided to update the current comic infobox, rather than create a whole new one. Take a look at The Power of Thoueris! (as that was the most recent one I created or thereabouts) and has the new infobox layout implemented in there. --Tangerineduel 04:38, 2 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Have added response to your question on my Talk page: User talk:Tangerineduel. --Tangerineduel 10:23, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Links
Hi Librarian. The reason to why I have put red links in pages you've written is: I don't know very much about the early Doctor Who stories, but I thought that if I create links to characters mentioned on pages it's more likely that someone who knows more then me will write some info...

By the way I think you're doing a great job! Keep on going! Rufus

Hey Rufus...there's a conversation between me and the Librarian lurking...somewhere, either on my talk page or his or in the forum. The gist is (or my argument at least) is that I left the creation of character pages up to the Librarian (as he does in fact have the Magazines in front of him) and so he would know whether or not there is enough information to create a character page for the characters mentioned (as in many cases the information such as it is can be answered in the comic's own page rather than a one line page). --Tangerineduel 15:21, 20 August 2007 (UTC)