User talk:RadMatter

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Re: Timeline
Ah, I see. Thanks for the response; it cleared it up. Epsilon  📯 📂 22:58, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Baker's End
Hello! I saw your message on User:Epsilon the Eternal's talk page. I'll leave him to answer regarding Hoover, but as an administrator, I can confirm that the "crossover" (such as it is) in Mrs Frimbly's Festive Diary very much does count as sufficient evidence to open a new thread on the subject of Baker's End in the forums once they reopen.

Mind you, even setting protocol aside, it would not in and of itself shatter the current invalidity rationale; as noted at T:VS, the conclusion of the original debate was rooted in the notion that the series was explicitly intended to be a complete departure from the DWU. As such, while the more DWU licenses it includes, the more likely it is that we will consider it invalid rather than non-covered, the series would likely remain invalid under Rule 4 unless quotes can be found to outweigh those referred to in the original debate. (Or, indeed, unless the alleged quotes in the original debate turn out to have been spurious or misinterpreted.)

Also be aware that you should be personally familiar with any stories you want to discuss in an inclusion debate, so make sure to listen to at least some Baker's End before you launch into such a thread. Scrooge MacDuck ☎  13:45, 28 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Okay, as for The Christmas Hoover, there doesn't appear to be any mention of servo-furnishings, or anything DWU related. Unfortunately.


 * Secondly, the "invalidty rationale" of Baker's End was frankly libellous. Former admin Amorkuz, without any form of evidence, claimed that the series was meant to "be a role for Tom Baker to play a role that wasn't the Doctor". It was then determined that the only thing linking the series to the DWU was Vince Cosmos, and for some reason, Amorkuz' wild statement became the invalidity rationale.


 * I haven't listened to Baker's End yet, but I already have a great deal of evidence, including examples of how the series does use more DWU elements than Vince Cosmos, that will absolutely allow me to open an inclusion debate (once I've listened to the series, of course). Mrs Frimbly's Christmas Diary will definitely strengthen my case. Epsilon  📯 📂 14:15, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Margaret Rutherford
Done! But in the future, you can user "rename" tags on image file pages, you know. Scrooge MacDuck ☎  13:26, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Re: A Lady Doctor?
Nah — this has in fact been discussed before, I believe. But the short answer is, reread T:VS carefully: stories can be covered-as-invalid if they fail Rule 1 or Rule 4. But something which fails to be a valid source due to failing Rule 2 (that is to say, not being licensed by all the relevant copyright holders) is not to be covered at all. If it were covered it would be as valid, but it's not. The "Whoniverse Wiki" has a page on it, though, as I think could several other "supplement" or "fanon" Wikis existing in the general orbit of ours. And due to it being a use of the Iris license we can mention it at length in the relevant BTS sections, we just don't have a page about it individually. Scrooge MacDuck ☎  02:14, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Re: Homeworld treatment
I saw your message on User talk:Najawin, and I'd just like to point out that splitting the pages would be extremely unlikely, as contradictory accounts can all be housed on one page. You should see something like Mam (Fanboys) for something which is the same concept, but is contradictory between nearly every account. Epsilon  📯 📂 22:01, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Homeworld/Gallifrey
I mean, there are already nonzero differences between the two, though they're more a product of differences between how the VNAs/EDAs treated Time Lords/Gallifrey and how the show tends to do so. (See, for instance, Anchoring of the thread and how it's largely PROSE works that make up the page, and how very weird it is compared to what the New Series seems to suggest.) The wiki still treats everything as one entity. Najawin ☎  22:06, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, as Najawin states, different producers with access to a given DWU concept will contradict each other and diverge. Famously, the Big Finish and BBC Books life stories for the Eighth Doctor are hard to reconcile, at least without making very weird timeline assumptions indeed. Indeed, both brands' Eighth-Doctor-era depictions of Gallifrey are largely incompatible unless you bring in cloneworlds and alternate timelines.


 * We don't separate things based on narrative contradiction then, so there's no particular reason we'd do so just because the contradictory takes happen to represent distinct legal licenses. Scrooge MacDuck ☎  22:41, 18 January 2021 (UTC)