User talk:Tangerineduel


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Cleanup Template
Ok. It is done. At the moment, it says: It needs to be cleaned up in these sections: as I couldn't think of anything better but if you can think of something better, feel free to change it. 16:45, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, whoops. Sorry, I thought it was you who left my the message. I don't know why. Anyway, it needs rewording I know but can you think of anything better? 16:52, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * The reason I was saying about it was that, for example, on River Song's page, it was in need of a clean-up. But it didn't need it for one section, it needed it in the the whole thing, but most people wouldn't know that the cleanup needed all spoilers removed. If we add this section to the cleanup template, it doesn't always need to be used, but it is there for necessary times when specifics need to be removed such as the spoilers on River's page. I've cleaned her page up since asking for the template to be modified, but I still think it will be useful for the future. The Thirteenth Doctor 17:08, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

Community involvement with the italics/quotes issue
I obviously value discussions and consensus decision-making too. That's why I use the fora and talk pages with great frequency. You keep making the point of seeking discussion as if it's something I'm not doing. But is that fair? We're talking about a change that I clearly want to make, that I have the tools to make with relative ease, and about which I actually don't think there is any logical resistance. To me, this is like arguing over whether the sky is blue. And yet. . I've made no substantive moves on the matter in the 18 months the discussion has been open. How much more dedicated do you want me to be to using the fora? Even by our standards, this discussion has been ongoing, unresolved, for a ridiculously long time. Let's face it, if you were on board with this idea, you wouldn't be behaving so cautiously. And reluctance and caution are both fine things. But please don't shade the issue as if I'm trying to do something improper by seeking closure on an 18-month-old discussion. Most of my major actions on this wiki have only been made after at least some period of discussion on the fora or talk pages.  Czech Out  ☎ | ✍ 06:46, June 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Of course it's a 18-month discussion and not just two spurts of activity. It's significant that no one else has posted in that time. I think it indicates that they don't care, and that they want us to settle the matter. You can't make people interested enough in a topic that they'll post. Some things attract attention; some things don't. You can't force people to use the fora. If you wanna try the canvassing thing, cool. For me, canvassing has produced mixed results in the past, but what the heck. Again, though, let's not make this out to be a question of failing to involve the community. That's wholly unfair. This topic has been out there, and several times at the top of the list of topics at the Panopticon. It's not like this has been buried on your talk page. People have read it, and chosen to ignore it, just like they did the K9 discussion. Arguing the finer points of punctuation isn't gonna set the world on fire, but somebody has to bring it up and take a stand on it.  Czech Out  ☎ | ✍ 07:27, June 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm really glad you've gotten more input at the forum thread, but I do think the precise language you've used to drive people there was a little less than neutral. Instead of saying something bland like, "Could you please come to this forum thread and give your opinion", you went further than I would and said, "I'm not comfortable with . . . " — which kinda suggests that something "fishy" was going on. People will have naturally gone to that page with greater suspicion than was necessary. I'm not angry or anything. I don't think you were actually trying to "load" the discussion with people "on your side". And I absolutely understand what you were trying to say in the full sentence. You were saying that you were uncomfortable with just two people having the discussion, which is a perfectly valid point.


 * But I do think some people might have focused merely on the fact that you said you were uncomfortable rather than parsing the whole sentence. And as you're viewed as the senior admin who tends to "close" these discussions, such word choice can have a devastating effect upon genuine conversation. It's a bit like one's boss saying, "I'm uncomfortable; aren't you uncomfortable, too?" And that feeling of discomfort could be then applied to the thing being proposed, especially as you are uncomfortable with the proposal. Again, I'm not suggesting intentionality or anything like that, but that's a subliminal vibe that's possible to infer. It's so important to consensus building that people be alerted to a discussion in as neutral a way as possible, as is suggested at the Wikipedia guidelines on canvassing. In the interests of avoiding anything like this in the future, I have therefore brought over a simplified version of Please see from Wikipedia.  Czech Out  ☎ | ✍ 20:25, June 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry that my words upset you. I thought they would reassure you. After all, having the tools to do something, but not doing them, surely shows restraint and responsibility. In this instance in particular, where I really don't understand the community response, I think it shows a demonstrable respect for the community-building process. You seem to start from the position that I'm a loose cannon or something, and that baffles me. Given that you've had other admin around here saying things on talk pages like, "Nah, don't ask anybody, just do it," I'd have thought the amount that I talk about things before doing them a refreshing change.  Czech Out  ☎ | ✍ 17:50, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

Formatting the Doctors
Hey. You were part of the discussion above. I was wondering if you could have a look at the discussion as I have given a new reply including an example page, and maybe we could start discussing it again now that we'll have time before the Christmas special. Also, I think it'd be good to get the rest of the community's opinions if you could ask them to join. Thanks. The Thirteenth Doctor 20:53, June 27, 2010 (UTC)

The Time Field
As we Know the Finale has aired but yet nobody has made a decision. So Please Could you move the Time Field to the Time Crack! I am Only asking to change this because in the big bang the doctor says amy is not a ordinary girl because she grew up with a Time CRACK in her wall not time field. so please could you move it? From Liamhenney 18:29, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

Help with discussion
Hey, can you please state you view on the discussion I am having in the forums here. Its about the navigation template, and I am would like you views on them, and how we can improve them (ChzechOut's idea) or if we should remove them. Cheers. Mini-mitch 22:19, July 17, 2010 (UTC)

Doctor Who Spoofs
What is the limit really of Doctor Who spoofs? I mean... The Curse of the Fatal Death has an article on this wiki. Lenny Henry also did a spoof on his show, so should that have an article as well. I understand that not all spoofs need an article, a lot of them aren't proper skits, but I think the Lenny Henry one is. It was also released alongside the Curse of the Fatal Death and on the Trial of a Time Lord. So shouldn't it have its own article(s). I can create them in my user namespace first if that's better? The Thirteenth Doctor 13:25, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

Mortimus name change
Hey there, a number of users have been talking about a name change from Mortimus to The Monk because now Mortimus isnt his most recent name and The Monk is a more recognised name for him. Just thought i'd get an admin's view before changing anything.

http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Mortimus

Revanvolatrelundar 15:11, October 11, 2010 (UTC)

Death of the Dcotor editing
Sorry to complain but whats the point in not being to edit Death of the Doctor until it's been broadcast. The Vault of Secrets hasn't been broadcast but people can edit that. Why? I'm not complaining about the "admin only" thing, I understand that. Ghastly9090 17:36, October 16, 2010 (UTC)

So it's gonna stay like that until Death of the Doctor has been broadcast? Ghastly9090 14:58, October 17, 2010 (UTC)

Please could you change the editing thing. Perhaps you could do a poll on the home page then that means that everyone gets to infulence what happens to the wiki, not just the admins. Please. The only reason me and I'm sure loads of other people go on this wiki is being able to tell people about Doctor Who. Please consider my request. Ghastly9090 15:16, October 19, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, how many non wiki heads like me actully knew about the editing poll thingy? You could put one one the main home page; then people will know and there will be a better result. Ghastly9090 17:45, October 19, 2010 (UTC)

Yes. You said it yourself. It is meant to draw people in. A poll would be perfect. People really like doing polls because it makes them think that they have made an impact on what happens on the wiki. They would love it. It would DEFINETLEY draw people in. Consider it. Ghastly9090 15:19, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

OK, polling is not is aparrently not a good idea but then, what is someone comes up with a great idea, an absolutely amazing idea, tell you, and you think "Oh no, I don't like that", how do you know that a vast majority of the wiki could even will like it? How do the admins know that they are making the right decision? People don't find out about it unless they look on your talk page but how many people actully bother to go looking on this talk page and go "Oh I like that idea". I think the whole wiki should have their say in what happens on the wiki. Now that loads of people go on the wiki its not the admins decision, its the peoples decision. You are the clever person, come up with a way to notify and let people know and have a part in decisions. Ghastly9090 16:18, October 22, 2010 (UTC)

Hi, did you see the above message? Ghastly9090 16:45, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Ghastly9090
Can you please give Ghastly9090 a warning. They've been warned several times about not adding spoilers and future appearances, but have ignored them. Thanks. --The Thirteenth Doctor 15:09, October 17, 2010 (UTC)

SJA wiki
Hey can I post links from The Sarah Jane Adventures Wiki to this Wiki it is just stories Sarah Jane Smith features in. Drwhokid 22:08, October 17, 2010 (UTC)

A few questions
Hi, I need to ask u three things: 1: The ancient civiliation on Mars whould that be considered as Ice Warriors or Osirins? 2. What is this Anti wiki alliance? and 3. Why has Solar Dragon left?

Just curious. Many thanks Son of Icthar 14:02, October 19, 2010 (UTC)

Yet another question
Just wondered, how do you delte a whole article. Just wondered how, don't worry I'm not going to delete anything on this wiki. If you could tell me how though, that would be great.Son of Icthar 14:05, October 19, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for answering my questions, could you just clarify something for me were the pyramids built by the Ice warriors or the Osirans, I think it's the osarians but my friend says it's the ice warriors. Also who or what was Monaco? I've never heard of it, if you could tell me that would be great. I don't suppose you know where I can see a picture of this 'oasis' or whatever it's called. Many thanks Son of Icthar 10:50, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

Unblock
Please can you update Death Of The Doctor with the synopsis and ading the doctor to the cast list

Merge and categories
Hey, could you merge Osterhagen Project and Osterhagen key. I put the merge template up a while ago and no one has objected. As I said on the key's page it's literally the same information on two different pages, so would just be better to have a section on the key in the project's page.

The second thing is categories. In the Category:History, Archaeology has it's own subcategory. If you go to it, that category is in the history and science categories. It only has the Archaeology page in it, so would it not simply be easier to put the archaeology page directly into the history and science pages? I could understand if there were several articles or even subcategories for archaeology, but there isn't. And the same would apply to others of the same kind of nature. Would you object to me changing these? --The Thirteenth Doctor 11:02, October 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'll have a look around and see, but if there isn't any other, would it be removed, and the same for other categories? Also, Death of the Doctor, one of the categories you added was missing the ) at the end, so it's created a red link. --The Thirteenth Doctor 12:00, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

92.6.124.1
This user is a vandal and has vandalised several pages, despite being warned. The Thirteenth Doctor 19:33, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

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Why cant i edit death of the doctor? Tangerineduel2 13:46, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

Tangerineduel2
Hi, a user calling himself Tangerineduel2 has been leving stupid messages on my talk page. Can you talk to him? Ghastly9090 13:56, October 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * I actually believe that having such a similar name to yours is actually warrant for permanent blocking, isn't it? --The Thirteenth Doctor 14:02, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

Jasontyler
Can you please give this person a final warning. He has been warned numerous times about adding unconfirmed information without citation or sources. The Thirteenth Doctor 10:27, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Short Story
Hey, when you edited this the other day, I think it messed a little bit of the code up somehow. I was looking at Leap Second and the other short stories, and they all have the same code at the top of the page, and I'm sure it's to do with the template. --The Thirteenth Doctor 11:52, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Death to the Doctor
Sorry, I don't remeber doing that. I must have clicked something by accident I guess. Sorry for the inconvenience.--Skittles the hog 16:57, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Creating New Pages with no info
I've noticed something that a lot of people are doing, generally new users or anons. They create new pages, but just have one line or no information at all. This looks bad on the history of the page, and it's better if the article is started with some actual content on it. Is it possible to add something like that to our policies about not creating pages if you haven't filled in basic information about the subject? The Thirteenth Doctor 20:32, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

94.7.224.51
Could you please leave a message on the above IP's talk page. I've asked them a few times when creating articles to remember and put the episode source beside the information. For some of the pages it's easy to tell where the information comes from, but the user has ignored my asking them to do so, and it's other users who are having to add it in. Thanks. --The Thirteenth Doctor 12:06, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

PandoricaOpens666
You need to have a talk with this user, his edits are consistantly speculative and he refuses to conform to the manual of style. Finally he leaves hostile comments on user's talk pages who remove or correct his edits, such as he is doing on The Thirteenth Doctor now. Revanvolatrelundar 16:37, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

Revanvolatrelundar acts mature and powerful, but considering he thinks I'm called "PandoricaOpens666" as opposed to "ThePandoricaOpens666" I think he's the one that has an issue of "factual inaccuracy"

I do conform to the manual of style mostly and I do try, and if you people who run this site would stop being so ignorant and pointing out the negative things no matter how small they are not noticing the positive contributions like the ones I have done to numerous SJA articles, and making small cases look extreme. Consistant? That's nonsense, and another thing, saying that factual innacuracy is extreme....it's not in most cases.

Oh, and he did have the decency to spell Thr Thirteenth Doctor's name correctly, well that shows what he thinks of me in comparison to him. I am not making personal attacks at the Thirteenth Doctor, and...hostile? Thats nonsense also, I never threatened him or insulted him, like I said you people make a big thing out of petty situations.

The Thirteenth Doctor is actually pretty unkind to users, he bullies them, criticises them for every little thing they do wrong and think's he's correct about everything and is not open to hear new opinions, he also appears very formal and enthusiastic about all the suffering that goes on in this wiki or the Whoniverse, and I was merely stating my opinion.

And to be honest.....This is a wiki about entertainment! You're all treating this like it's some big, legal matter, there is nothing serious going on here, yet you all sit at your computers or laptops acting serious and mature about this, acting like this whole website is some big responbility, and in a way thats very biased and immature.

~ ThePandoricaOpens666 27th October 2010, 18:26 (UTC)

"You've redecorated - I don't like it!"
Hi, just a quickie....has the new improved site taken away our sidebar and its features? The Librarian 15:34, October 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I'm sure I'll get used to it :) The bit I miss is the list of quick save links to pages working on? and not sure what My Tools is for? ...yet! ;) The Librarian 18:13, October 28, 2010 (UTC)

109.154.2.185
This user has repeatedly vandalised after several warnings and needs blocking. The Thirteenth Doctor 18:10, October 28, 2010 (UTC)

The Five Doctors
This user: 92.25.94.14 Has repeatedly vandilised The Five Doctors page. Check the history if you want, I have rolled the edits back.--Skittles the hog 10:35, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

Admin
What does the word Admin mean to you? In fact what does the word Admin mean entierly?

But are the Admins in charge of this whole website? Or just second-in-command?

Okay, but how come wikipedia dosen't let anybody edit, an this does? Is wikiepida just run by staff and not admins as you said?

Thank you for that information. Rumors have spread suggesting that there will be a flying shark in the 2010 christmas episode, and that there will be glimpse of Amy and Rory Williams's honeymoon but they were having they're honeymoon on the honeymoon world mentioned in SJA. Also could anyone create a wiki like about a comic a book, anything? Like would me for instance be able to make my own wiki were people could edit like this one? Who founded Doctor Who wiki?

I never wanted to MAKE a wiki, I was just interested that's all!

Christmas episode what-what-what?
Is there really gonna be a flying shark? Will we have a glimpse of a Amy and Rory's honeymoon? Although it did happen during death of the doctor.

Trouble
Recently Solar Dragon has been abusive to me, and unkind and racsit! Please try and stop this once and for all!

Favour
Could you tell the thirteenth doctor, im sorry for what i've dine, because he isn't responding to my messages.

a question
since when was the cheetah people and catkind shown to have claws. Kingdomcode 21:53, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

Followed pages
I've made it private, but I can't find any way of unfollowing it without creating it again and then unfollowing it. Is there a way you can do it without recreating the page? The Thirteenth Doctor 12:37, October 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * Wait, never mind. I found it. I'll be removing all of the red links now. Thanks for pointing that out. --The Thirteenth Doctor 12:38, October 31, 2010 (UTC)

re:a question
i cant see this pic so good can you tell me do the cheetah people wear open-toed shoes by looking at this pic. Kingdomcode 19:06, October 31, 2010 (UTC)Kingdomcode

About gothic stories
Hi! Well, yes. The Kasterborous reference cited is where a lot of it is coming from. I must say it's changed since I left that message on the talk page. The thing is, I don't really know where you stand of plaguerism. I know plenty of people who would consider copying a line but changing one or two words to be plaguerism, but others wouldn't. If consider the first point to be accurate, then basically the whole page is plaguerised. If you consider the second, probably one or two sentences that I doubt breach any copyright laws. I'm A Hydroponic Tomato! Bigredrabbit (talk to me) 05:04, November 1, 2010 (UTC)