User:SOTO/Forum Archive/Inclusion debates/@comment-9435571-20130603130040

If you deleted Vienna, is there any reason Graceless isn't deleted as well? Despite it being as much of a spin-off as it gets if you consider the very definition of spin-off (the origin of the main characters literally depends on a part of Doctor Who lore), a Big Finish person (this time Lisa Bowerman) states in the behind the scenes commentary that it's not actually a Doctor Who spin-off and is in "its own universe" with "its own ethics".

It's pretty obvious that both Graceless and Vienna are spin-offs in every way other than legal and are thus not called such for licensing reasons.

Mind you, I don't actually think they should be deleted myself. But if we were consistent, we should also delete Graceless, Iris Wildthyme's solo adventures, and even Virgin's Bernice Summerfield New Adventures, as they are all basically the same - spin-offs that used publisher- or creator owned characters and maintaining continuity with the previous (and later) stories as far as that character is concerned without using anything BBC-licensed.