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Najawin wrote: I have read the OP, I've responded to the OP in this thread before this. I'll also note that "advancing poor arguments" is not a personal attack.

Again. I have no horse in this race. Accusing me of being dishonest of my motivations here actually is a personal attack. Not one I mind, but given that you're accusing me of making personal attacks perhaps some self reflection is in order.

I mean, off the top of my head, Dalek (TV story) for biodata, and Toy Story (short story) for TARDIS. Arguably The Doctor's Wife (TV story).

As for the "checkmate", the argument is that it gives them the ability to "withstand" timetravel. Not to timetravel at all, but to survive the damage it's doing to them. Your reading here is incorrect, the changing of biodata is what would be harmful, in the longterm, in my hypothetical. But what about the human soldiers travelling in the SIDRATs? Did they all have Rassilon Imprimaturs? What about time rings, and static electricity with mirrors? You are clearly trying to defend the undefendable.

But, the main points in the OP were:

1) It is explicitly stated in The War Games (TV story) that The Doctor and The War Chief each stole a TARDIS.

2) It is explicitly stated in Doctor Who and the Sea-Devils (novelisation) (among many others) that The Doctor and The Master each stole a TARDIS.

3) It is explicitly stated in Doctor Who and the Doomsday Weapon (novelisation) that only TWO TARDISes have ever been stolen up to that point, one by the Doctor, and one by the Master.

4) Furthermore, the exact same chapter of the exact same book gives the events of The War Games (TV story) when describing the history between the Doctor and the Master.

5) It is explicitly stated in The War Games (TV story) that the Doctor and the War Chief are both renegade Time Lords.

6) It is explicitly stated in Doctor Who and the Terror of the Autons (novelisation)(among many others) that the Doctor and the Master are both renegade Time Lords.

7) It is explicitly stated in The Three Doctors (novelisation) that, prior to Omega, the Doctor had only ever come up against ONE renegade Time Lord...The Master.

8) When the War Chief sees the Doctor in Doctor Who and the War Games (novelisation), he states that there is only one person the Doctor can be.

9) In an interview reprinted in DWM 91, Malcolm Hulke, who co-wrote The War Games (TV story), and actually speaks at length about The War Games in the exact same interview states that the Doctor and the Master were the only two renegade Time Lords at that time.

10) Likewise, the same person, Terrance Dicks also co-wrote The War Games, and was Script Editor for the entire Delgado Era. He also novelised the Target Books of many Delgado stories. And, in some cases, he himself was the one who put in the War Chief/War Games references in the Target Books.

Anything else is just icing. The Doctor and the War Chief were good friends when they were younger. The Doctor and the Master were good friends when they were younger. The Doctor was led to believe that the War Chief's TARDIS wasn't working. The Doctor is surprised that the Master had a working TARDIS and was able to get away after organising wars, and the Time Lords were alerted. The War Chief and the Master's MO and ultimate aim are identical etc. That all helps with, but is not the main issue. That's in # 1-10.