User talk:CzechOut

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More bad disambiging
Daniel Matthews and Daniel Matthews (Auton) should be moved around as Daniel Matthews (actor) and Daniel Matthews, as in-universe terms always take precedence. -- Tybort (talk page) 01:34, February 11, 2012 (UTC)


 * Have a similar problem with Guy Adams and the as-yet unmade Guy Adams (Timeless) -- Tybort (talk page) 02:28, February 11, 2012 (UTC)

The diambigu-arrrghhhh
Just noticed there's a minor trickster character in a Fifth Doctor story. Is THE Trickster sufficient disambiguation enough with the SJA villain? Also, what about the page "Trickster"? Should that lead to the Sarah Jane villain? Nine of its twelve links clearly refer to the SJA character. (As well as one I corrected that for some reason led to the Trickster's Brigade) -- Tybort (talk page) 14:52, February 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, if there IS three of em, Trickster can be a simple dab page. -- Tybort (talk page) 00:52, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

Third Doctor comic images
Okay, so I have collected the images you requested for the page. I have looked across multiple comics with very good images that I hope we can use to illistrate the page.


 * First off, you asked for 4 TVA images. The first, of coarse, is File:Abe Lincoln.jpg, which we discussed before. The next is a similar image, File:Third Doctor Nazi.jpg, which is also one of those stand-off-ish images. The next is this one, which I choose because it contained Finney, who is one of the more popular comic-companions.
 * Next, you asked for an image of the Doctor and one of his "boy" companions. I choose the Doctor and Nick, the first African American companion.
 * you also requested an image from a comic story produced later. I choose two. File:Target Practice.jpg is, like you suggested, from Target Practice. I also want to include this image from Death to the Doctor!, because of it's varying style and it's recency. I realise that it does not work well on the page, so I have cropped it down here.
 * And last of all, you asked me to find a pre-TVA TvC image, which I admitt is my weak spot, and this is the best I could find. I'm sure you have a better stock of TVC images then me, so I dont mind if you replace that one...

Just incase you find any of my images unsatisfactory, I have also supplied some replacements; File:Third Doctor and Ace.jpg File:TheVortex.jpg File:Fourth Doctor & Third Dcotor Sea Devils.png File:Change of mind.jpg

Hope my images are satisfactory.. OS25 (talk to me, baby.) 01:48, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Five Doctors
Well, I'll admit the first one I uploaded was not from the special edition re-release, but the second one was. I apologise if it is not up to standards. Do you have any thoughts on the comic images I sent you in the last message? OS25 (talk to me, baby.) 03:52, February 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * The fram-grabber I use is AVS Video Editor, what would you suggest? OS25 (talk to me, baby.) 04:05, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

The visual editor has been disabled. I see no way of using templates to inser things like IMDB pages, namesorts, etc.Boblipton talk to me 21:57, February 17, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, you did go over it twice. And I used the simple method and am sufficiently annoyed at the disregard of my wishes t not be in the mood to relearn how to do this work. You are aware that the first line of most of the stuff is not easily amanageable -- no longer available highlight and paste. I'm sure there is a nice explanation of how to go about doing that. However, the wisdom of learning how to do it the new way is questionable whn it may very well be changed. Boblipton talk to me 22:52, February 17, 2012 (UTC)

Misnamings by the bot
THe Wedding of River Song (TV story) and THe waters of Mars (TV story) are...well, you can sort of see for yourself. Can these be moved to the proper place? How did the bot do that, anyway? -- Tybort (talk page) 13:17, February 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small World (TV story) should be Small Worlds with an s. -- Tybort (talk page) 20:17, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks
Hi there, just to say thanks for the advice on what to do with pictures. I recently recieved my Mannequin Mania boxset so looked at the story's articles and decided that they needed some pictures, so sorry if for a bit I made things a bit confusing for you LOL by adding them all without the right tags. I know now though, and will bear that in mind in future when adding new pictures. Also thanks for the welcome, hehe yeah sorry I didn't realise that creating my own talk page delayed the welcome but thanks for the links, they look very helpful. So, yes, thanks and happy editing :) --Dalek194 talk to me 18:22, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

Ah, ok, thanks again :) By the way, I just noticed files like that of the First Doctor handbook cover, which predominantly feature one Doctor but have small thumbnails of the other, are categorised as under all of the Doctor's photograph pages... shouldn't this be changed? I know that I'm probably wrong, but it seems a little silly that all of the handbook covers be categorised under all of the Doctors when each cover is specific to one of them. Thanks :) --Dalek194 talk to me 22:32, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

Bot suggestion
Shouldn't The ArcHive Tapes (audio story) be renamed "The ArcHive Tapes (audio series)?" OS25 (talk to me, baby.) 21:37, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

More bot work
The content of the page Out of Time (disambiguation) should lead to Out of Time, while in the meantime all links to Out of Time (so far as I can tell) all lead to the TV story. I'm not sure why that went unnoticed even before the mass move to (TV story). -- Tybort (talk page) 21:55, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

Images
Thanks and sorry. May I point out a mistake? At Attack of the Graske, the image biotin goes to Category:Attack of the Graske TV story images instead of Category:Attack of the Graske video game images. OS25 (talk to me, baby.) 03:01, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

Standard apostrophes
I just saw the message you left on Victory93's page and thought I'd just mention that it may have been unintentional and not deliberate. I used to bulk write EDA pages offline, in Word which introduced those punctuation problems like the apostrophe and also ellipsis which don't look any different in Word (also TextEdit with the ellipsis). You also can't tell the difference looking at them, until you come to type and link them (which gave me a lot of problems with Sometime Never...). The apostrophe use as you noted can also be seen in a lot of User:The Librarian's contributions, they're of less concern but it is still notable if you know to look for them. --Tangerineduel / talk 14:35, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

im Originals bot block me if you feel i may be a threat as you have blocked my last 2 accounts sorry i just wanted a anpther chance i promise i wont muck up i love doctor who and to take that away from me by blocking me because i cant learn from the wika is just un belivable i know youre going to block me so OA

I didn't even know about T:SOCK until you told me so please OB

Video games and books
Thank you for making a decision on the Happy Deathday page... May I ask however, if we should do the same for The Five Doctors... Or if that's a little too much.

Also, I also added Who Killed Kennedy to Category:Books from the real world, as the book itself is an in-universe book... Every page in it is a page from a book in the DWU... So should we make a separate page for the in-universe book itself? OS25 (talk to me, baby.) 16:20, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

Category
Hi Czechout. Is there supposed to be Category:Books from the real world on your talk page. I didn't want to remove it from earlier instances.

Advanced Navigation
Yeah, sorry about that. I only activated it purely too see what it looked liked, how it worked and too see if it would work and fit in with our theme. But, as you said, it does need at lot of work, if we ever activate it again. MM/ Want to talk? 23:26, February 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * Honestly, I has completely forgotten about that. I'll remember it next time, I have the urge to play, which quite frankly, is quite often. MM/ Want to talk? 23:28, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

TV story pages/categories
Is there a reason that Amy's Choice hasn't been moved to the new nomenclature? It and the Category:Amy's Choice TV story images don't exist. I thought I'd hold off on creating/moving them as the move has been your realm.

Also on a related note the template on Category:Doctor Who (1996) TV story images doesn't link to the story. Which I guess is similar to Amy's Choice, as [Doctor Who (1996) also hasn't been moved. Though I'm not sure about having double brackets of stuff in the story name. --Tangerineduel / talk 14:30, February 24, 2012 (UTC)

Monobook skin
Isn't the monobook skin finished by now? The last edit was October 3, 2011. 19:58, February 24, 2012 (UTC)

Renaming
Don'cha think that File:vlcsnap-2011-10-17-17h34m35s33.png should be renamed? I can't so I'm sure admins can, like on ? Thanks

Actually, Czechout, I find you wrong! I typed in the URL for renaming a picture, and tardis.wikia tells me that I 'dont have the permision'!

Hidden categories
Do you have any ideas on how to make the hidden categories appear? The option is no longer under 'preferences', where it used to be. MM/ Want to talk? 13:38, February 29, 2012 (UTC)

Community Messages
Hey, how did you change the Community Messages thing to say "Tales from the Tardis" ?--Phantom Stranger talk to me 09:26, March 1, 2012 (UTC)

Infobox Organisation
Is the rework of images in infoboxes still a work in progress or are they done? Because pages using Template:Infobox Organisation just have a barebones image name rather than showing any image. (i.e. Twelfth Cyber Legion). -- Tybort (talk page) 17:22, March 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * I thought explained it in that forum thread? Basically, by the time you responded, you already fixed it. -- Tybort (talk page) 17:41, March 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * When I wrote that, it had a customised title that said The Dæmons (TV story), but the actual page wasn't on (TV story). You moved it manually two days after that was written. -- Tybort (talk page) 13:28, March 1, 2012 (UTC)

problems with story page
Hi, there are a bunch of what look like code errors on the Colony in Space page, includng the title, infobox, discontinuity index, footnotes, and more. Sorry, but I have no idea how to fix them. Shambala108 talk to me 04:36, March 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * I checked it twice before notifying you, but now it's fine. Sorry for bothering you! Shambala108 talk to me 05:06, March 2, 2012 (UTC)

Thank You
Thank you for fixing the Nightmare Fair novelisation page. Americanwhofan talk to me 18:47, March 4, 2012 (UTC)

Re: 'In character' appearances by the Doctor
Hi czechout,

Thank you for your reply of 28th February 2012 to my question ('In character' appearances by the Doctor) at the Reference Desk forum page, and for putting everything regarding the subject matter into perspective.

To be honest, I had no idea that the template page you mentioned, DWTV, existed at all (which just goes to show how much I know!). But now I know it does, I'll know where to look in future.

Mind you, Neil Harris's review of the U.N.I.T. Files DVD box set in Doctor Who Magazine Issue 443 (cover dated: 8 February 2012) does describe Jon Pertwee's in-character appearance along with the Whomobile on Billy Smart's Children's Circus as "a mini-adventure which I'm sure many will regard as canonical" – but then, that's his opinion! :-)

Freddie R. Aldous talk to me 14:59, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Neil Harris
Yes, I have definitely seen the Whomobile's appearance in Billy Smart's Children's Circus, czechout. Thank you for asking.

And, as well as hoping that the Doctor succeeded in helping Gabriella Smart find her lost performing dogs in time for her forthcoming act, I hope Neil Harris was kidding... :-)

Freddie R. Aldous talk to me 15:34, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

Mentions
Didn't realise it was still under consideration. For completion's sake, I recall doing that to Albert (Tooth and Claw) recently too.

That said, what about home era? Does that apply too? That one's still on Character/preload. -- Tybort (talk page) 18:58, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

table images query
Hi! been a while I know. I've been personally archiving some who related bits at home to clear some space which is taking longer than I thought I must add!, but just noticed that images on tables (well Doctor Who: Monster Invasion (magazine) and Sarah Jane CO figures) seem to have lost the sizing consistancy. I know you've mentioned my image sizes before and recommend tables to display images rather than galleries but this has thrown me a bit. Any to say that may help would be much appreciated ie how to determine the size of an image in a table. Thanks The Librarian talk to me 23:40, March 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * Who's been a busy boy then? :) Ok I think I got most of it and will endeavour to happily conform (got some catching up to do I reckon). To address some of the points so you know where I'm coming from.... The Battles in Time images were composites (never sequential) and as you said old- they were my first attempt at comic strips and rather than create a page of each they were like a visual jogger to characters and objects that because of lack of content at the time I didn't think warranted an entry each - besides which it was unclear (as with most partworks how many parts their were going to be). To be honest I've never knowingly used thumbnails so I've got to mend my ways there. Regarding tables with images I know what you mean - I tried for ages to find an example to see what I was doing wrong and in the end gave up and passed it over to you ! hahaha The only one I think I've created and used was the Doctor Who: Monster Invasion (magazine) and that was following your suggestion not to use galleries so much and I found the Character Options SJA action figures link which you gave me as an example.


 * I stopped editting for a while because I had problems. For some reason I could only seem to edit by going to the beginning of a section and scrolling across the purple block to get to where I wanted to be which was really annoying- but I think this may have been sorted - I'll let you know.


 * Didn't quite get the categorising images bit (I'll go back and re-read it. I notice that in selecting copyright licence several have been removed (eg illustration from specific titles) Is this temporary or do I have to select "other source"/None of the above? With DWA no longer a BBC Magazine title it was better to have a DWA illustration copyright on the drop down I see there is one for DWM and IDW. :(


 * If you could please keep an eye on me for a bit - I'm bound to mess up somewhere, I'm not technically minded and DO want to get it right. Sorry for any unnecessary hassle I've caused. Will try to do better! I notice as well that edits to talk pages don't seem to flag up as you have new message. I think thats where I lost out on keeping up to date unusually I was focussed on whatever-I-was-doing. ANyway Thanks again I'll see what I can do The Librarian talk to me 19:37, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

Episode infobox
Nice work with the episode infobox. I know it's probably not that close to being finished, but looking at the format right now, would it be a good idea to spilt up the 'format' line. It currently stands, for example as 1x50 minute episode.

Should this not be broken down into:


 * Length, which we give either the precise length of the episode or even just let it remain as it is (rounded up)

and


 * Number of episodes. In most cases for the new series this would just be '1', but for the likes of The End of Time and the classic series, it would be '2', '3' etc.

I just think it would look a bet better, now is the time, I suppose, to see if it worthwhile doing or not. Thanks. MM/ Want to talk? 10:42, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

New story navboxes
Are you carefully overseeing the navigation templates yourself, or is it fine if I do tweaks where I see fit? -- Tybort (talk page) 20:28, March 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * Or is the bot still in the middle of things as well? -- Tybort (talk page) 20:39, March 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * Alright, a couple more questions:


 * 1) What warrants a "main setting"? Do important preludes and epilogues count if they're a massive part of the plot?
 * 2) I notice a couple of stories have a previously and next produced in the navbox. How do double-banked episodes fit into that?
 * 3) Dreamland shouldn't really have anything to do with The Waters of Mars and The End of Time's "previous and next" navigation, right?
 * 4) Does/will Infobox Story suit non-Doctor-and-companion stories? Or is it just for Doctor Who?
 * 5) How should The End of Time's "confidential" and "story number" sections go? -- Tybort (talk page) 00:45, March 10, 2012 (UTC)


 * When I asked 1, I was thinking of prologues and epilogues in particular so I'm glad you pointed out the Closing Time examples.


 * On Dreamland, I was thinking otherwise to due to it not really being considered a 2009 special (at least according to Dreamland (TV story) and 2009 Specials (Doctor Who)'s pages). But it seems silly to have The End of Time AND Dreamland on The Waters of Mars next, and The Waters of Mars AND Dreamland on The End of Times previous.


 * Also, what would you do with the revival's Comic Relief and Children in Need specials i.e. Space/Time in the previous/next navigation?


 * To elaborate on 5. Confidential refers to The End of Time being a two-parter and therefore having two confidential links, and its story number is 202a and 202b when presumably 202 would suffice? The only time I'd think the lettering would apply is the special case with The Trial of a Time Lord (143a-d). -- Tybort (talk page) 02:15, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

Editing issues
I've got two computers at the moment (but haven't really tested it out yet (Windows 7 / IE - I'll let you know if the same occurs later), but the one that I'm using mostly and had issues were; Vista / Firefox latest / Wikia (with Bernice). Just got home so I'll get details later and let you know examples. RE: Messages/Alerts - I'm getting general wikia notifications and Rassilon awards but nothing to say that I have new message on my talk page. I'm sure I used to. RE: Page editing - what happens is; I go to edit a section, it appears in a 'greyed out' block but sometimes doesn't allow me to edit directly into a line unless I go to the left of the frame and scroll across through the text. As I tend to prepare pages its not an issue I've found with editing previews but I have found it when tidying up pages. Once at least last night I recall. I'll let you know next time it occurs.
 * Incidently on this page, to the left of the insert tag blank box, over-writing the dotted line border of the 'This is a talk page .....'is the text "Or enter full pagetitle, including namespace" 82.22.216.170talk to me 01:02, March 10, 2012 (UTC)The Librarian talk to me 01:03, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

Please unprotect page
The Fourth Wall (audio story) has been released now, but the page is still locked from editing. Americanwhofan talk to me 01:20, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

Infoboxen
Are you ever not busy? :)

Just a quick question, re the retirement of my little bp template, how will we list multiple years/settings without line breaks/bullet points? I'm thinking of stuff like The Chase and The Left-Handed Hummingbird. On The Chase it's fairly obvious with all the settings sort of crammed together. Thanks. --Tangerineduel / talk 13:23, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * Related to both this and what you said about "main settings", how do serials which go all over the place narrow down to one or two main settings? The main culprits I can think of are TW: Fragments, most of Miracle Day, DW: The Infinite Quest, Turn Left and The Wedding of River Song. Possibly The Chase and The Daleks' Master Plan, too, though I'm less familiar with those stories to draw attention to them. -- Tybort (talk page) 14:09, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * I saw your note on Tybort's page asking to hold off on making changes for a day or two. At the very least, the bot should be putting breaks in here instead of just removing the list tags. I hope there's an easy solution to this, since so many lines are being smashed together.
 * Should we leave the smashed-together listings for the bot to handle, or should we manually separate them?
 * Similarly, should we start removing the BP uses, or let the bot handle those?
 * How should we separate these lines, now and later? a break only, a comma only, a comma and a break, or something else? -- Gousha talk to me 03:04, March 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * The prime examples I saw were pages like Dalek Emperor, Arcturan and Axos, and fixes I already applied to Transolar disc and a few lesser ones. It appears the issue may already be in hand, as I see the changes done to Cyber-Wars points at just using a comma between items. However, even there the changes aren't complete. (see the result box). -- Gousha talk to me 05:37, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

Can we not have bullet points but remove any indentation? Or do bullet points not work like that here?

I can see what you're trying to do with the setting field, and I agree, we don't need all that information, it's enough to say where the setting is for the characters, rather than being all specific about what land mass or nation it is (unless that's the only info).

I don't know what the original editors were up to, I think it was user:Mantrid who gave us infobox, but the fields were never explained it was more a case of look at the stories it was used on and then go and use it on others. Or at least that's how I and others went about it. I remember there being an infobox before Mantrid's creation though I can't remember what stories it was on (only remember removing it and all its code from pages.).

I definitely think we need to keep setting and year. I think this might also help editors to economise their information, if we say the setting field has to be a single location and the year field has to only correspond to that location.

Would this mean that we'd have multiple fields like setting1=/year1=, setting2=/year2= etc? I'm just thinking that if we've got all the info organised like that it would make using that data, when separated out like that a lot easier than just with commas (though I also imagine that it's not something a bot can do, so there'll be a lot of manual edits in the future).

Also I'd like to say thank you for not replacing the 'Previous'/'Next' with just arrows, it is something I know I've mentioned in the past, but it's a real pet hate of mine. Navigating MemoryAlpha is a pain because of their arrows / mouse over info (and MemAlpha is practically un-navigatable on a mobile browser because of them). --Tangerineduel / talk 16:21, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

Voice actor
Just while I remember, can you add 'Voice actor(s)' as a field on the individual infobox? It will be more accurate for individuals such as Mr Smith, Daleks, Cybermen etc if we have voice actors separate from actors, since they some people can see them as different. MM/ Want to talk? 18:50, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

Images by comic story
I notice you don't seem to have an images by TVA, PHS, DWY and TM comic story images. I assume there's a simple way for the bot to do those? Notably, I can see at least one example, DWY: Metamorphosis being mislabelled as DWAN. -- Tybort (talk page) 23:51, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * Confusingly, TVA: The Unheard Voice and PHS: Doomcloud are listed as TVC, but I'm gathering that's because they're Fourth Doctor reprints with muddling categorising. -- Tybort (talk page) 00:19, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

Race into species?
I've noticed that character pages are no longer displaying a character's race unless the race section of the infobox is changed to read species instead. Is there some kind of error here, or is this a new policy? Because if it's the latter, then it's going to take a REALLY long time to change every single character's infobox. Memnarc talk to me 00:32, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

Bp
Either way, I assume that the fix won't cover for  and , or, right? -- Tybort (talk page) 14:55, March 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * Not sure if I got a straight answer. Will the above code I mentioned be part of the bot's cleanout over the next few days ON TOP OF bp? -- Tybort (talk page) 18:38, March 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh damn, just when I spotted your alteration of "home planet" to "origin" too. Is it not fine to make edits that don't have to do with raw HTML to infoboxes? -- Tybort (talk page) 19:33, March 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry, must have missed/misread your first three warnings. -- Tybort (talk page) 20:58, March 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * And no, I don't understand how that wasn't clear either. I just reread your messages about infoboxes. -- Tybort (talk page) 21:23, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

Vehicle images
Just to double-check, does Category:Vehicle images only apply to exterior shots or interior ones as well? -- Tybort (talk page) 15:16, March 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, Midnight and Voyage of the Damned are entire episodes set inside (non-TARDIS) vessels. I was mostly considering spaceships or public transport when I said that, so at least closer to the "people strolling" one. Didn't consider the ubiquity of "closeups of people who are in a car" when I asked.

Would something like the Titanic's nuclear storm drive be yay or nay? -- Tybort (talk page) 18:36, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

Home era
With the 'Home Era' section now redundant in the infobox, would now be a good time to suggest a change to something like 'Era active' or something along those line - this would make sense since we do have individuals placed in X century.

Era active would just be the era/century we see them in - Amy Pond would be 20th and 21st century whereas as Waitress (Random Shoes) would be 21st century. In other words, we do not base it one age.

Also, is 'affiliation' be a good field to add? MM/ Want to talk? 19:54, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

Infobox Individual
Poor time to ask, but I actually forgot I didn't press "publish" on this page until after your warning.

On Infobox Individual, does "voice actor" apply only to audio drama actors, or does this apply to voiceover roles in live action as well? (i.e. The Nucleus, Cyber-Leader (Mondas), Blon Fel-Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen) -- Tybort (talk page) 21:45, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

Help!
Does it go into Panopticon as well, or just Infobox discussions? -- Tybort (talk page) 23:53, March 11, 2012 (UTC)


 * While attempting this task, I notice you don't seem to have followed up on my question about home era (though I can gather from your chat with User:Mini-mitch that it's not going anywhere and can be deleted just fine). That said, it's fine for me to rework Character/preload, to Infobox Individual's current parameters or is that part of your heavy editing too? -- Tybort (talk page) 00:10, March 12, 2012 (UTC)

MA achievements
Will do! I sort them out over the next couple of days, then over the next couple of weeks I was planning of doing one for Doctor Who confidential episodes - which, as anyone can tell by looking at any of the episode pages, are nothing more than skeleton articles. MM/ Want to talk? 00:49, March 12, 2012 (UTC)