Talk:Gallifreyan

Can all Gallifreyans regenerate?
Dr. Corpuscle: Regarding the claim that all Gallifreyans have the capacity for regeneration - I don't have any evidence to back me up, but I was under the impression that regeneration was a discovery of Rassilon's, or at least made around Rassilon's time, and that its use is one of the things that defines the difference between a Time Lord and a Gallifreyan. It's entirely possible that I am mistaken, or that I got this information from a noncanonical source (possibly the Doctor Who role-playing game.)

Well, the only only example I can think of is from the novelisation of Underworld I was reading lately. It says "The regeneration method of the Time Lords was largely a natural one. A combination of genetic coding..." Again, that's just about a Time Lord, but I think Time Lords and Gallifreyans are still the same species. Of course, I'm not sure how canonical you want to count the novelisations. Azes13 10:13, 3 June 2006 (UTC)


 * you might want to record that information under the heading "Apocryphal information" and note under Behind the Scenes where you got this information, as I did in the Andromeda Galaxy entry in which I presented information from the DW Roleplaying Game which a previous editor had added. --***Stardizzy*** 12:09, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

For regeneration information, and a lot of the stuff relating to the Loooms and whatever you need to look outside the TV series and into the novel ranges (particuarly the New Adventures and Missing Adventures, and many of the EDAs/PDAs as well).


 * On Gallifrey there was a revolution / debate or something between Rassilon's faction (which supported science) and the Pythia faction (which supported amongst many things magic).

Rassilon overthrew Pythia (who's followers fled to Karn). As Pythia died (or something) she cursed Gallifrey with sterility (Rassilon lost a daughter to this sterility).
 * Pythia was the ruler (through prophecy and magic) and knew of time travel only through mental/psychic means.


 * To get around the sterility curse Rassilon created / invented the Looms which would weave a Gallifreyan from genetic material. The Houses (such as The House of Lungbarrow, or The House of the Redlooms) were born at this same point in Gallifreyan history.

(Most of this information comes from NA: Cat's Cradle: Time's Crucible, Lungbarrow, Interference Books One and Two.)

The single heart prior to first regeneration...I can't remember where it's citied for the Doctor, but Gander (or Cavis), one of them is on their first regeneration (they appear in EDA The Shadows of Avalon, and she hasn't regenerated so only has one heart.

As far as the difference between Time Lords and Gallifreyans, Time Lords have attended one of the acadamies; such as the Patriexies, Arcallaen...and all that sort of thing. Time Lord is a term for the Gallifreyan 'elite', or something like that. --Tangerineduel 12:38, 6 February 2007 (UTC)


 * pretty sure that the one heart->two hearts comes from The Man in the Velvet Mask (who I've not read).


 * where does it say that when you graduate, you turn into a Time Lord? (I like that idea, by the way, I just wonder where it says this.) --***Stardizzy*** 16:44, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Change the picture?
for this article we could do with a non-Time Lord Gallifreyan. or, rather, a Gallifreyan not identified as a Gallifreyan. though the line gets blurry, we have a half-human, half-Gallifreyan Time Lord in the picture box at the moment! --***Stardizzy*** 12:09, 6 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree, maybe one of those group shots such as; from The Five Doctors, or one of the bunch of outcasts and whatever from Invasion of Time, or from The Deadly Assassin, something line that. --Tangerineduel 12:51, 10 February 2007 (UTC)


 * the outcasts, I think. non-Time Lord Gallifreyans. as opposed to Time Lords.--***Stardizzy*** 16:41, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

list of apperances
I think the list of appearances should go like this:


 * Gallifreyans (list of appearances)
 * Time Lords (list of apperances, theoretically contained in list of Gallifreyan appearances)
 * The Doctor (list of appearances, theoretically contained in list of Time Lord appearances)
 * The Master (list of appearances)
 * Romana/Rassilon/the Monk/etc. (individual lists of apparances, as needed)

so... you work out the Gallifreyan appearances by subtracting the Time Lord and individual Time Lord lists from that... does that make sense? --***Stardizzy*** 00:53, 16 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, but has there been an episode where no non-Doctor Time Lords have appeared as well as regular Gallifreyans? 08:20, 16 February 2007 (UTC)


 * yes. Cat's Cradle: Time's Crucible. not an "episode", but the novel features pre-Time Lord Gallifreyans. also, some comics stories set entirely during that era that don't have the Doctor in them. --***Stardizzy*** 12:49, 16 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Ah, ok. 14:08, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Deletion recommended
This article is filled with supposition and nothing of any real, citable substance. The fact is, everything in this article could be reduced to a footnote in the Time Lord article. Time Lord is the race. It's clearly and directly stated in televised episodes of Doctor Who (School Reunion and The End of the World to name but two). Produce actual evidence of a difference between Time Lords and Gallifreyans or withdraw this article.  Czech Out  ☎ | ✍  03:28, 26 June 2008 (UTC)