User talk:Tangerineduel

Vandalism
Sorry I'll check in future, I'll finish re doing those EDA books now.--Skittles the hog 14:03, 14 May 2008 (UTC)


 * EDA books...I never...well I said it was over kill, you didn't really give a reason for or against, any reason I shouldn't roll it all back? --Tangerineduel 16:21, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Don't reverse it! All I did was tidy it up. Do you want me to rechange all those Doctor names? But please don't reverse it.--Skittles the hog 16:42, 14 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Well all I was saying is I generally give a reasonable answers, so I thought I might go with your method of doing. The Doctor listings were like that because all the others were like that (Big Finish and TV stories for example). Tell me why you changed it? That's all I want to know a reason why it should be different, why the Doctor part it needed to be changed? --Tangerineduel 17:30, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

It's tidier. Thats the point so why everse it to something the same but scruffy. I'll re add the edit to the Doctor's name. Do you agree?--Skittles the hog 17:30, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

See, that's all I needed to know. A simple reason. Re add the Doctor's name as it's the character as an in-universe listing. Also when editing (If the want to, it doesn't effect the finished appearance only the wiki editing) leave a gap between all the names, to make it more encouraging to people to edit in the future, as I've done on The Infinity Doctors article, but if this is too untidy...well just do it your way and I'll eventually get to all the pages again. (Though I won't change the bullet points I will re add the gaps to encourage editing and additions to the character points) --Tangerineduel 17:41, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Categories
I've got another question... I'm having a hard time figuring out the category structure. There's categories called Stories, Doctor Who stories, Television stories, Television stories by Doctor and Doctor Who television stories. Within Television stories by Doctor, the stories are called episodes: First Doctor episodes, etc.

From what I can tell, it looks like the categories sort of evolved gradually, with each person adding their own categories without necessarily looking at a larger structure.

So I'm curious about what you think -- I'm kind of a nerd about that stuff, and you may not be concerned about it at all. I'd be happy to work on revamping the category structure, or help with it if other people are interested -- but obviously, I don't want to jump into a big project like that if you're happy with it the way it is. Let me know what you think... -- Danny (talk ) 18:39, 5 February 2008 (UTC)


 * The categories. Every so often I get motivated to fix the categories and when answering your other question I had a look at the TV stories categories noticed how haphazard they were.
 * I'm okay with how the categories are (though it annoys me sometimes). But I wouldn't say I'm happy with it. As I see it should have some sort of logic to it (even if it's its own internal logic), but it doesn't and probably needs a good shake up and fix.
 * If you want to work through how you want to do it that's okay, or if you want to start and I'll (try) and keep and eye on it, also fine.
 * Just as I said make sure its got some sort of logic to it and that its fits in with everything else and also make sure that it doesn't become TV centric as there's novels, short stories, audio dramas, magazines etc. Though some of those I have attempted to work on. In any case I'll try to help where I can. --Tangerineduel 02:34, 6 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay, I'll take a crack at it when I have a little chunk of time to play with it. I'll definitely keep the structure consistent for the novels and everything.


 * I don't know if I've mentioned this to you, but I'm a huge Doctor Who fan. I've read all the Virgin and BBC novels up through the end of the EDAs, I get Doctor Who Magazine every month, and I've seen (and loved) the new Sarah Jane Adventures. Some of my happiest childhood memories involve stacks of Target novelizations. So I won't go messing things up; I know my Doctor Who. :) -- Danny (talk ) 18:46, 6 February 2008

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"Proper" wiki Merges
As an aside, things like Border Princess and Border Princes should be merged properly in order to merge the histories into one place. Have you ever done this before? If not, the process is as follows:
 * 1) manually copy the information from the destination to the source article.
 * 2) delete the destination article
 * 3) move the source article to the destination (this creates the redirect too)
 * 4) undelete all deleted revisions of the page

And voila... you're done. You have all of the history from every instance of the article in one location. :) -- Sulfur 15:58, 8 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Right (didn't know how to do it, or probably thought about it and did the easier way). Will bare it in mind for the future thanks. --Tangerineduel 16:06, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Character Details
I deleted them so the character names could be bullet pointed, shall I change novels with bullet pointed character lists to non bullet pointed ones?--Skittles the hog 18:58, 5 May 2008 (UTC)


 * The novel characters aren't bullet pointed so there can be bullet pointed details below them. If it's really that necessary to bullet point them then the details below need to be indented and bullet pointed to sit below them. The reasoning behind this is there's a lot of detail in the novels that can't be broken down into the references and can sometimes only be placed with the characters, also as the novels do not have anything additional character wise (such as actors) it makes the list of characters very sparse. The articles should be more than just a list, hence the details. --Tangerineduel 03:03, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I've implemented the indent and bullet point on the Seeing I article to show you how it looks, though I think it's a bit of an over kill. --Tangerineduel 03:19, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Ok i'll use this set out until you want to change it, thanks.--Skittles the hog 10:10, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Time Lords a race?
Are the Time Lords a race, cause some sources e.g. REF: Doctor Who: The Encyclopedia says that they are but various sources mentioning before the Time War e.g. DW: The Invasion of Time seem to suggest that they are more of a society? Which of it is it to be? Or is it not certain?

Also is under the Infobox Race category is a Female Time Lord called a Time Lady because humans are sometimes called Man and a male human is also called a man but women is not a species name so is Time Lady?--Gallifreyisgreater 20:31, 12 May 2008 (UTC)


 * This is a complicated subject. Romana and the Rani are both Time Ladies, just as the Doctor, the Master and the Monk are Time Lords. Borusa is also a Time Lord. (So basically the distinction between them is just the same as lord/lady).
 * However, there are also Gallifreyans, those native to Gallifrey, though not Time Lords.
 * Where does the distinction lie? Well, supposedly to be a Time Lord they have to have been admitted to one of the Category:Gallifreyan Chapters. All people who are from Gallifrey, from after the intuitive revelation have two hearts (give or take, the first body of a loom born Gallifreyan has one heart) and can regenerate. Time Lords (and Ladies) are taught all the complicated stuff about time and the universe, they look into the vortex, they're taught temporal mechanics and all that.


 * The simple answer is yes, sort of, maybe. Anyone who has used a TARDIS and is a Gallifreyan is in theory a Time Lord/Lady because to be able to use a TARDIS they need to have the knowledge behind it.


 * Questions where it's a little blurry: Where the Rassilon Imprimatur comes into this is a whole other story (is it a Time Lord trait or do all Gallifreyans have this?).


 * There's also Jenny, who is actually one of the more easier questions to answer, she has two hearts, but no knowledge of a Time Lord, she came from the Doctor's genetic code making her genetically a Gallifreyan (therefore two hearts and because she's from the Doctor the ability to regenerate (probably)).
 * Hope this helps. Any additional questions I'll have a go at answering. --Tangerineduel 08:11, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Time Lords a race? Second question
I am not saying that you are wrong but the new series, e.g. DW: Smith and Jones when Martha asks what species the Doctor is and he replies "I'm a Time Lord", seems to say that a Time Lord is the species name, and various books e.g. TDA: The Last Dodo and REF: Doctor Who: The Encyclopedia and Doctor Who files the Doctor seem to confirm it. Also Wikipedia says the Time Lords are a Doctor Who race along with the Daleks so are all these sources wrong? Or not?


 * The easiest way to solve this is they're both right, or no one is right, alternatively there is no right answer.
 * Here's a 'for example', an alien asks you what race you are and you reply 'i'm human', a white male asks another white male what race they are they reply 'I'm Caucasian'. Within the limits of language both questions are right, one is a more specific answer, or a subset of the same answer.
 * Time Lords are a subset of the species native to the planet Gallifrey.
 * The Doctor's answer and Martha's question are about knowledge and understanding, the term Time Lord is more descriptive than Gallifreyan (which within the confines of language means a native of the planet Gallifrey genetic or natural).
 * Getting back to the question (as I have a tenancy to ramble), the Doctor is a Time Lord, yes, Time Lords have marginally different abilities and understandings from standard Gallifreyans, that difference is enough to call them a separate species though really they are a sub-set of the Gallifreyan species. Hope this clarifies things, again any questions I'll try to answer and not ramble on. --Tangerineduel 05:54, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi. Im doing the inffo boxes then the article86.168.242.127 15:31, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

ok. Ill do the articles later when i have some spare time. Ill make them great lets just leave as it is know. sorry i have to go away now bye !!!Quark16 17:18, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Reply and First Doctor question
Thanks for that I kinda understand now but it is confusing, shall I edit wikipedia and call the Time Lords, Gallifreyans or not?--Gallifreyisgreater 16:30, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for all the questions but based on your answer to my first question, did the First Doctor have only one heart?


 * Just...just leave the Time Lords as Time Lords, in the grand scheme of things this is my (reasonably argued) opinion, accepted opinion is the Time Lords are just that, they're Time Lords. The complication only arises when you start to split hairs about it (ie phraseology, terms for groups vs societies as I've said), but for the article for Time Lords, they're just that. If it's of great concern put a note on the talk page of the Time Lord page. (Which will most likely result in more argument and not much progress, it's easier to just say they're Time Lords and that's it, the specifics to say one way or another aren't there...well they are but they're still vague)


 * Yes the First Doctor does have one heart, I can't think of the precise story but I think Ian examines the Doctor at one point and he has one heart, also in (i think) The Tenth Planet his heart is examined. It's also mentioned in a book somewhere about single hearts and two hearts most likely in: NA: Cat's Cradle: Time's Crucible, Lungbarrow, PDA: The Infinity Doctors, it's stated in MA: The Man in the Velvet Mask that Time Lords develop their second heart when they regenerate for the first time, this is confirmed in EDA: The Shadows of Avalon which contains a Time Lord who has not regenerated as yet (I think). --Tangerineduel 17:43, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Did all the other Doctors, from the Second Doctor onwards have two hearts and the first Romana only have one heart? You are very sensible about the Time Lords and the Gallifreyans thank you--Gallifreyisgreater 19:49, 13 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I can only answer based on the sources at hand, MA: The Man in the Velvet Mask states it explicitly with regards to the Doctor, EDA: The Shadows of Avalon explicitly states it with regard to another Time Lord (though it's spoken in a general sense as well). All the other Doctors the Second Doctor onwards had two hearts. So based on the information presented in various texts it is most likely that Romana I had one heart. --Tangerineduel 07:35, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Probably too late, but calling Time Lords Gallifreyans would imply that they were the only species on Gallifrey. Darth Oompa 21:53, 13 May 2008 (UTC)


 * As I've said...see above...but also if its a concern put a comment on the talk page of the Time Lords page. --Tangerineduel 07:35, 14 May 2008 (UTC)