Tardis talk:Out-of-universe perspective

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Jodie Whittaker very much isn't the current Doctor and hasn't been since last October. David Tennant is, and any eventual changes from that present should be changed from date XXX too. -- Tybort (talk page) 14:39, 29 November 2023 (UTC)


 * I think it'd be better to future proof it by linking to Ncuti Gatwa instead. 16:50, 29 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Also, to refute the idea that Ncuti Gatwa being the current Doctor is a spoiler, the Fifteenth Doctor officially appeared in, , and , appeared (sorta) in , not Fourteen, appeared on the cover of Doctor Who The Official Annual 2024, and has been extensively promoted in marketing as the current Doctor alongside Fourteen; they're both current Doctors, frankly. 18:07, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Capaldi outright appeared in The Day of the Doctor but was not current until the last scene of The Time of the Doctor; until then, he was a future Doctor. Pages can treat the small teases of the Fifteenth Doctor as released stories, sure, but that wasn't my point. Who even says that Chris portrays him in Meet the Doctor or that David did in The Hero Factor? I am talking about production terms here, not in-narrative. -- Tybort (talk page) 11:17, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * And no, I don't think Meet the Thirteenth Doctor made Jodie current before Twice Upon a Time either. -- Tybort (talk page) 11:21, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * My point is that there are two current Doctors. Ncuti's Doctor has appeared all over marketing, tie-in releases, merchandise, in stories, and so on. It is, in my opinion, completely incorrect to assert otherwise. Especially as in a week's time... he will be the only current Doctor. 11:32, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * At this point this is more of questioning the precedent for the next time something like this rolls around. However. On this topic. Name one story out now that has the "and introducing actor as the Doctor" billing. All I can tell from the last 14 months is that Tennant had it in The Power of the Doctor. Also, several actors were announced and promoted months in advance. Matt was not co-current Doctor post-January 2009, and Peter Capaldi was not co-current Doctor post-August 2013. -- Tybort (talk page) 11:54, 1 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Except those Doctors werent being heavily used in marketing and racking up a good handful of spin-off appearances. They're not directly comparable as the BBC are treating Fifteen differently. I don't recall tons of in-character promo pics being used heavily in social media marketing, alongside those of Tennant and Tate.
 * But I hardly think that "and introducing [actor] as the Doctor" should be our only metric here. Else — hypothetically if the Wiki existed in 1996 — McGann couldn't be the latest Doctor. And who knows if that credit will always stick around? It's one hell of an assumption.


 * To me, the fact that both Tennant and Gatwa appeared on the cover of the latest annual together, as well as Gatwa's recent appearance in AAiTaS and all of the other EU appearances, clinches the fact that they're concurrent Doctors. 12:04, 1 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Gatwa, and I hate that by my own arguments breaking policy to say the name, is on the cover as a future incarnation. The docudrama AAISAT is not Hartnell looking at the Time Lord from(ish) Gallifrey the Doctor, whether Eleven or Fifteen. The annual's overall contents, including the Letter from the Doctor focus on 14. And 2023 version or otherwise, Rose should go without saying, but I'll say it anyway, it is set six incarnations and seven regenerations before Gatwa.
 * Also the TV movie is a clear transition to McGann as the current because it starts with Seven and his incarnation dies. -- Tybort (talk page) 13:10, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * And yes I know Atkinson through Lumley, both Richard E Grants, and Eccleston are even weirder outliers, but the "introducing" has been consistent for the changeover of eras since June 2005. -- Tybort (talk page) 13:16, 1 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Yes, you'd only be breaking your own arguments by mentioning Gatwa; it certainly is not against policy to do so. Hence why I do so freely without marking this page with . 16:45, 1 December 2023 (UTC)