Board Thread:The Panopticon/@comment-24894325-20170121220436/@comment-28349479-20170121224603

I'd like to say that I did attempt to open a discussion concerning the change at Talk:The Doctor's TARDIS. Furthermore, I don't believe that this is a matter of policy, so T:BOUND does not and should not apply, though I'm perfectly willing to retract that statement should Amorkuz or anyone link me to a Tardis Wiki policy page stating that The Doctor's TARDIS must use the "Object" infobox.

My reasons for the change, as specified on the talk page:


 * The modern TV show has repeatedly reinforced the perspective that the TARDIS is as much a character as the Doctor and his companions.
 * The Doctor's Wife directly confirms that the TARDIS has a consciousness and a free will. The very title echoes this interpretation.
 * In series 7, there was an entire arc about how the TARDIS disliked and mistrusted Clara.
 * This perspective didn't even originate in NuWho: there's plenty of precedent elsewhere.
 * Conscious TARDISes appear in Alien Bodies.
 * Compassion's whole arc in the EDAs is about not gaining TARDIS powers but becoming a TARDIS, yet she keeps her individuality and consciousness.
 * Toy Story foreshadows The Doctor's Wife by showing a spoken conversation between TARDISes manifesting as humans.
 * This would be a very tiny change to the page.
 * The change is effectively invisible: because of the existing similarities between the "object" and "individual" infoboxes, the only difference would be that the word "type" would be replaced with "species".
 * Nothing would need to be changed about the article. In fact, "Individual" already better represents how the page is written: for instance, see the massive section dedicated to its personality. (That section also has many more sources that independently confirm that the TARDIS is a conscious being.)

Amorkuz has stated that this would be a "drastic" change, but as I have already mentioned, the only visible difference would be the usage of "species" instead of "type [of object]", and even this isn't without precedent! Within, there are already many pages that use the "Individual" infobox (and the "species" label) in this way: Marie, Lolita, Johannes Rausch, Glinda, Klyst, and Compassion are just a few examples. If Amorkuz would like to convert all those pages to the "Object" infobox, that would be another discussion entirely, I think.

In response to the Faction Paradox bit: frankly, I don't see how this creates any "tensions" whatsoever! There are tons of non-FP sources that treat the TARDIS as an individual, not an object. And I don't believe that any source has come out and said, "The Doctor's TARDIS doesn't have a sister," so how on earth is this "rewriting" any information? I'm frankly puzzled by how an addition of one line to a page has sparked this much frustration.

(Also, are you proposing that the inclusion of Faction Paradox into valid sources should be reconsidered? I'd welcome a reopening of that debate, if you think you have some good evidence that it breaks the four little rules.)

But I think I've shoved the burden of proof off my shoulders. If you have any information that contradicts anything I've said here, I'd love to hear it.