Talk:The Woman Who Lived (in-universe)

Dab term?
Received some feedback from a not we who was extremely confused to accidentally wind up on this page while looking for The Woman Who Lived (TV story). Analogously to how it's Paul Magrs (Bafflement and Devotion) that receives the dab term, not Paul Magrs... could we invent a dab term for in-universe Doctor Who episodes so that The Woman Who Lived can remain a redirect to the more relevant page? – N8  ( ☎ / 👁️ ) 18:56, November 16, 2020 (UTC)
 * Surely they noticed the ?
 * According to T:DAB, technically in-universe pages should remain undabbed. With Paul Magrs (Bafflement and Devotion), the only reason he got a dab is because it would've been extremely difficult to give the real world page a dab, considering how many pages link to the page. Epsilon  📯 📂 19:06, November 16, 2020 (UTC)
 * With that said, it's not a primary topic, so arguably we could go with the precedent of Doctor Who (N-Space) and dab it with (N-Space), but perhaps this is better served by a forum thread, as that's likely a major policy change. Najawin ☎  19:09, November 16, 2020 (UTC)
 * However, finding TV story pages has never been an issue before! That's why there's (TV story) at the end of the pagename. I'd be extremely opposed to any change brought on by one "not we". Epsilon  📯 📂 19:12, November 16, 2020 (UTC)

To be fair to that user, I've been feeling this way for a while myself ever since we started adding the S9 N-space episodes. It kinda got confusing, since when I saw "Heaven Sent" being edited I instantly thought it meant the actual TV episode was being edited. Yes, there are dab terms for the real things, but that doesn't make it less counter-intuitive, even if rationally I get it. "What's an anagram of Banach Tarski? Banach Tarski Banach Tarski". That sort of thing. I get it, doesn't mean that intuitively in the moment it makes me comfortable, and for the average wiki reader I understand the confusion. Najawin ☎  19:16, November 16, 2020 (UTC)


 * If a dab term were to be utilised, I'd prefer something like  The Woman Who Lived (episode) . Epsilon  📯 📂 19:19, November 16, 2020 (UTC)


 * I feel like that would also be confusing. Najawin ☎  19:22, November 16, 2020 (UTC)


 * I think anything more specific might infringe a bit on T:NPOV. We can't just start favouring the TV stories when there are clear links to the real world page. Epsilon  📯 📂 19:28, November 16, 2020 (UTC)

Hmm? Who said anything about favoring the TV stories? I never said we should undab the original story, I just said we should maybe add something more specific than (episode) to this page, because (episode) doesn't distinguish between in universe and out of universe to someone who isn't familiar with this wiki's conventions, whereas "(N-space)" instantly looks weird and tells them something a bit nuanced is going on. Regardless, probably best served by a forum discussion, adding it to the list. Najawin ☎  19:32, November 16, 2020 (UTC)
 * I would certainly bsupport adding "(N-Space)". -- Saxon (✉️) 19:34, November 16, 2020 (UTC)


 * The thing is, I really don't like that dab term. It's ugly, and is rather irrelevant. It denotes the name of the universe, and is no more specific than that. The thing is, when you go on Wikipedia, or pick up a book, quite often they have jargon and lingon that is necessary to be known. The Tardis Data Core shouldn't be any different. And for Pete's sake, there is a tag leading the real world page! You'd have to be blind to miss it.  Epsilon  📯 📂 19:39, November 16, 2020 (UTC)
 * I have to agree "(episode)" would be much too confusing; might as well not dab at all if that's the best we can muster. I'm rather partial to "(N-Space)" myself. "(in-universe)" would be the most clearly explicit to the not-we but doesn't even have the "creative application of T:DAB OTHER" justification in current policy that "(N-Space)" has. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎  20:01, November 16, 2020 (UTC)