User talk:Master of Spiders

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Wow!
Wow! Thank you for making fun of my ethnicity! Excuse me while I visit my friend Czech! OS25 (talk to me, baby.) 16:31, February 11, 2013 (UTC)


 * Wow! Thanks for doing it again! Excuse me while I report you a second time for your multiple examples on personal attacks towards me! :) OS25 (talk to me, baby.) 15:17, February 12, 2013 (UTC)

Apologise
I would advice that you apologise to OS25 due to the recent comments you left on his talk page - they were completely uncalled for. I don't know if he has said anything to you that may be a personal attack - but if he has, point me to it and I'll look into it.

In the meantime, for the sake of yourself more than anything, please just apologies and clear the air - it will make the discussion on Totem (short story) much easier, as there will be no bad blood. Many thanks. MM/ Want to talk? 00:07, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

"No personal attacks" violation
A complaint has been issued against you, claiming that you violated our ban on personal attacks when you suggested that OttselSpy25 might not have the English skills necessary to understand your nuanced use of English adjectives.

Because NPA is perhaps our most important single policy, I'm obliged to take action on it and report my findings to both you and OS. I have spent much of the last two days investigating your interactions with OS.

I believe that you intended no malice, and that you made a logical deduction based upon information in OS' public profile. Therefore, I do not believe that you violated our ban on personal attacks in this instance. I do think, however, that it's socially risky to make an assessment about someone's English language abilities. Pursuing that line of thought almost always ends in disaster, with the other party having hurt feelings. It is typically best to just avoid any comments about your conversants' English language skills. Even if they truly do speak English as a second language, they'll likely get defensive if you accuse them of not quite understanding them. It's probably a better idea just to phrase things simply, without metaphor, and try again.

Now, having said that I do not think that you violated our rules on the initial complaint, there's no doubt you did later. This diff shows that you made disparaging comments directly against the person. You weren't attacking his position at all — just him. Because you didn't attack him with foul language, I'm gonna let this one slide. Be aware however that both Tangerineduel and I take the no personal attacks ban very seriously, and your next violation may result in stronger action.

Finally, you should be aware that I am not particularly happy with either you or OS over the conduct of the debate at Talk:Totem (short story). Both you and he seem to have extremely short fuses. I hope you will be able to find a way to reset your combined anger and come to a more civil meeting of the minds.

Please remember that ALL CAPS are heavily discouraged in discussions, as they are almost always seen as shouting. If you wish to suggest emphasis, please use bold or italics, instead. I also think that you made the key error of editing the page while it was under discussion. This infuriates people round here, and can — in my view, understandably — make them immediately attack you. Furthermore, you are far, far too aggressive throughout the Totem discussion.

That said, I feel the need to make it perfectly clear that OS is not a member of the administrative team here, and that he doesn't speak for the wiki. You are of course very welcome to edit here, so long as you don't violate our policies. It saddens me to see that you were greeted so harshly in the discussion, even if I understand the reason for the initial anger. OS has been warned against such behaviour in future. While I don't personally agree with many of your statements on that page, I do think you should have been treated much more civilly, and hope you will continue trying to improve Short Trips story pages. 06:56: Wed 13 Feb 2013

(removed both an abrasive attack from someone who is upset over something from a differentwWiki, and the polite well-meaning response from someone trying to defuse the situation)Master of Spiders ☎  06:13, June 4, 2013 (UTC)