Howling:Love Triangle, or not?

Itt's written on the Vampires of Venice page that that episode greatley furthered "the Doctor-Amy-Rory romantic triangle subplot". What romantic triangle? Amy and Rory are in love, I get that, but tell me, where is the romantic conection between the Doctor and either of those two? MidnightCat 01:15, July 4, 2010 (UTC)

Amy loves the Doctor and Rory hates the Doctor because Amy loves the Doctor. Seems pretty basic, what with Amy trying to have sex with the Doctor in Flesh and Stone and Rory bickering with the Doctor in Vampires of Venice. -<Azes13 02:08, July 4, 2010 (UTC)

OR in the deleted scenes in the Hungry Earth, the Doctor says he likes Rory and in the Lodger, Craig suspected Doctor's sexuality...plus the Eleventh didn't even care about Rose/Sarah Jane when he was rewinding his timeline...Is he a wizard or is he a fairy...oh, that's why he got back into his box during the wedding...he couldn't bear to see Rory getting married...it all makes sense now...Moffat is trying to outgay RTD to show that he can do everything better than him203.168.176.42 05:15, July 4, 2010 (UTC)

Azes13, Amy is not in love with the Doctor. The bedroom incident was an act of lust, not love, which was made pretty clear in Amy's Choice. I think if anything, the Doctor has a thing for Amy; that would explain the rivalry between the Doctor and Rory in The Vampires of Venice and Amy's Choice, and the way the Doctor watched them dance in The Big Bang, and numberous other events such as these. (Remember, he kissed her back in Flesh and Stone, as established in The Vampires of Venice) MidnightCat 20:11, July 11, 2010 (UTC)

The Doctor is not into Amy Midnightcat not at all. The Doc could have got off with Amy but he didn't that proves he dosen't want her I don't think Rory hates the Doctor either. Rose was clearly a one time thing for now, they can't have the doctor falling in love with his asistants or even liking them because it then devalues the whole Rose thing. They probably will have him fall in love but only when enough time is gone from Rose Tyler though she will have to be unimaginably hot considering he turned down Freema Agyeman and Amy Pond. As for it being a love triangle I think they just threw that Amy thing in to get viewers but they wont go anywhere with it because either way its unoriginal. Love triangle where she and the doctor love each other retread of the doctor Rose Mickey thing. Companion who is in love with him but for some mental reason he dosen't do anything retread of Martha. I think the only romance we will see will be the Doctor and River. Winehousefan, 23:17, July 11, 2010 [UTC]


 * Rose still bugs me. Why would someone like the Doctor fall for a common shop girl like Rose in the first place. What was so special about her?!? He has had any number of young women thru the TARDIS who were much more intersting. All I can think of is that he was on the "rebound" as it were from commiting dual genocide in the Time War. Or his regen went wonky and his head wasnt on straight. I have a feeling that the relationship was much more in Rose's head than real. He would have dumped her in a milisecond for Mdm Du Pompedour.
 * I couldn't agree more about the Rose thing. She was a very dull, uninteresting character who cried to much, not right for the Doctor at all. Oh, and Winehousefan, I did say "if anything" - you didn't need to give me a lengthy description on why he shouldn't fall in love with Amy, what I said was just a side comment. Anyway, she's married to Rory now and it's him she loves, so even if the Doctor does have feelings for her he will simply have to get over it and move on, maybe with River. MidnightCat 17:56, July 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * I couldn't agree more about the Rose thing. She was a very dull, uninteresting character who cried to much, not right for the Doctor at all. Oh, and Winehousefan, I did say "if anything" - you didn't need to give me a lengthy description on why he shouldn't fall in love with Amy, what I said was just a side comment. Anyway, she's married to Rory now and it's him she loves, so even if the Doctor does have feelings for her he will simply have to get over it and move on, maybe with River. MidnightCat 17:56, July 15, 2010 (UTC)

Amy is definetly in love with the Doctor or she wouldn't have a billion dolls and drawings of him would she? And she's also in love with Rory. Rory kinda hates the Doctor who likes him (not love) (the deleted scene) and the Doctor did kiss Amy back, but the only reason he didn't have sexual intercourse with her was due to her getting married to Rory the following day. It is a love triangle. They ruined the ending of Flesh and Stone, so we didn't see Amy's boobs! :C Kerange 18:12, July 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Amy is definetly in love with the Doctor or she wouldn't have a billion dolls and drawings of him would she?

I drew many pictures of my favorites characters and some imaginary friends when I was a child, I certainly don't remember being in love with any of them. And it was a short love triangle because Amy adores the Doctor and Rory, and Rory and the Doctor adore Amy, albeit in different ways. Vegnas 06:25, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

The reason Amy tried to seduce the Doctor in Flesh and Stone (as stated by Moffat himself) was that Amy was overcome by the ordeal with the Angels, along with the nerves of getting married, and so latched onto the Doctor. The reason for the dolls and "raggedy Doctor" roleplay, I think was that she was obsessed with the idea of him, a man who fights monsters and saves the day. The only Love Triangle is the one we chose to see. - '' I. Am. Excalibur-117 '' -(talk • contribs) 18:35, July 15, 2010 (UTC)

I don't see any evidence of Rory hating the doctor. On the contrary, though Rory showed understandable jealousy during the first part of VoV by the end of that episode they appeared to be getting on well and continued to do so up to the point where Rory sacrificed his life for the doctor. When the doctor turned up at his wedding, Rory was pleased to see him.81.141.84.211 14:16, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

I am amazed so many people hate Rose. Whats so wierd about him falling in love with her She saved his ass a couple of times and she was quite hot. Granted thats true for a lot of his companions LOL esspecially Martha but I hope this Amy thing just kinda goes. away I mean its too much to have him and River and Amy and Rory. Winehousefan, July 16 2010 [UTC]

For me the Doctor/Amy/Rory dynamic is not a love triangle. But I suppose that's all down to how you define a love triangle. Some people define any romantic feelings among three people as one. I don't. For me, two people must be interested in the third and the third must be interested in both of them. If persons A and B are a couple and C likes B, then that's a couple and a separate person. If person A likes person B and B likes C but B does not like A, that'a a line. I guess if C liked A, it'd be a circle. But for this relationship to have been a triangle, IMO, the Doctor would have had to have been interested in Amy.207.171.242.66 18:17, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

Simon Nye, the writer of Amy's Choice, said in an interview while describing the relasionships of the Doctor/Amy/Rory dynamic that the Doctor is very protective of Amy and 'wants her for himself to some extent'. I suppose what he meant by that is open to interpretation. Any thoughts? MidnightCat 17:00, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with "Winehousefan", this hatred of Rose is completely baffling. It's a common theme on so many forums and blogs and yet I really don't understand it, in fact I got sick of reading all the complaints whenever she returned to the show. I can only assume that these 'Rose haters' are adolescent girls who had a crush on David Tennant and were jealous of her 'on screen' relationship with him - probably a huge generalisation there but I can't think of any other reason for hating such a fabulous character. The development of Rose's character throughout her time on Dr Who was a joy to behold, her transition from chavvy shop assistant to the saviour of the universe was a masterful piece of writing from RTD. In fact Davies' ability to write believable characters into a show such as Dr Who is one of the major factors missing from the latest series, Moffatt has his strong points but characterisation isn't one of them and Amy's character, or lack thereof, is testament to this. This lack of depth to Amy's character is shown very clearly in the incidents mentioned above. Her sudden, unexpected, attempt to get The Doctor into bed was completely out of the blue and I doubt anyone saw it coming. As for any supposed 'love triangle'? Well I can't imagine anything less likely, The Doctor doesn't seem to have any sexual feelings towards Amy at all and any such feelings are totally contained within Amy's vivid imagination. Such a pity she doesn't seem able to use this imagination and incorporate it into projecting anything other than a two dimensional, moody, spiteful alleycat. ChrisL 11:27, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

Rose was actualy a good character in series 1, but her development was anything but "a joy to behold". By the end of series 2 she was very selfish and bitchy - and all that crying, and the pitiful puppy dog eyes she cast towards the Doctor do not count as depth! Amy, on the other hand, was a very unusual, and yet human, character. She started out as a lonley, dreamy little girl, grew into a stuborn, sceptical young woman, and developed into a compassionate, brave and resourceful new person - she's flawed, but still brilliant. As for her attempted seduction of the Doctor, well, she'd had a bad experience with the weeping angels and she was nervous about getting married, so she wasn't thinking straight, plus she's just a little bit mad, like the Doctor said - she latched onto the Doctor for comfort, a very human mistake. Rose was simply too bland. I'm not sure about the 'romantic triangle' thing, but look at my coment above on what the the writer of Amy's Choice said about their relasionship, plus the doctor did kiss Amy back that time in her bedroom, so...I dunno. MidnightCat 18:42, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe we should just agree to disagree over this whole thing; this forum has become more of a war zone than a conversational thread. People have different tastes - some choose to see what Amelia, the Doctor and Rory have as a love triange, and some don't. Some people find the sentimental aspects of Rose Tyler pleasing, and some don't. Some people like cheese, and some don't. Peace. MidnightCat 11:21, August 3, 2010 (UTC)