Board Thread:The Panopticon/@comment-188432-20130129081336/@comment-26975268-20130402153025

Witoki wrote: The Doctor is speculating. It is clear that he himself does not understand what is going on, so his reference to her as "the same woman" is just as valid as one of us saying it. Namely, it's not valid.

We can't assume that "somehow" anything. It is not fact, it's supposition. Look at the words you're using: "somehow", "we don't know how", "probably a twist"

The narrative evidence is that the Doctor claims she is the same. I'm not saying he might be wrong. I'm saying he has been wrong. He is not an infallible source of information, and we cannot take his word as iron-clad.

"There are a billion different ways that the Claras can all exist and still be one person." Of course. And when the series shows us that one way, I will concede she is the same person. Until then, we must default to the assumption that they are separate, but somehow connected.

No. No. No. No. No. No. No.

And no again. It's not "supposition" to present facts when you don't know how they happened. If a magician performs a trick, and you don't know how he did it, did he not do it at all? No, he obviously did it — you just don't understand the mechanism.

"Somehow" does not mean, nor is it anywhere close to, "maybe." "Maybe" is speculation. "Somehow" is a fact that we just can't explain yet. We know what trick the magician performed, but he hasn't yet revealed his secret.

We saw with our own eyes with two deaths: fact. We saw her return: fact. We saw the similarities: fact. We saw memories seeping through from past lives: fact. He saw same personality and life choices: fact.

Different people: not a fact. We have no hard evidence to support that statement. The best you can give me is "she couldn't have died and still be alive." But all the facts go against that, thus clearly there's a way that she's still alive.