User talk:Amorkuz

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Howdy :) Somehow you've managed to miss our automatic greeting, which I've now forced manually on to this page. We're really glad you're here!  However, because you flummoxed our system, you probably weren't able to peruse our local rules.  One of the biggest has to do with our rules of image use.  Please take a minute to flip through that, as well as our guide to images.

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Timeline information
Hi! I want to explain why I had to undo some of your edits. A while ago, we decided to get rid of timeline sections on pages (Forum:Timeline sections on pages). That includes things like "this story has to take place after Such and Such" when it's not really notable or relevant to the article. I hope that makes sense. Thanks!  P&amp;P  talk   contribs  01:45, October 24, 2015 (UTC)

Dear P&amp;P, Thank you for noticing my efforts. Could you please direct me to the discussion in the forum, based on which you had to undo my edits? I would like to familiarize myself with the definition of "notable or relevant," and, perhaps, reopen the discussion. You see, I've started adding this information based on my own experience: when I choose which story to listen to next, I need this information. So it is good if I can find it in the intro, without the need to scroll down to the Continuity section risking to see some spoilers on the way. Here is an example of what I wanted to know: I wanted to listen to companion chronicles in timeline-chronological order rather than the order of release. Hence, I needed to figure out which stories happened before the TV timeline even began. Granted, there is a navigation box at the bottom listing Susan-only companion Chronicles. So I started listening to one of them, Quinnis. But I couldn't make heads or tails of what Susan talks about in the beginning (e.g., Alex who met his great-grandfather) because she mentions the events of An Earthly Child, a story from another Big Finish range. I had to stop listening and do some not-spoiler-free digging around. It is to prevent such situations that I've started adding the timeline information to the intros.

Now, I agree that in many cases this information is superfluous as in can be inferred from the companion set. But let me give you one example of my edit that you have removed but I would still want it to be restored because I consider this "notable and relevant" case. In Domain of the Voord, one of the enemy leaders, Nebrin mentions Marinus virtually in every conversation. I would even go as far as to say that Domain of the Voord can be viewed as a sequel to The Keys of Marinus. I am prepared to argue this point publicly, but this should be done in that old discussion of timelines, I think. There are other less obvious connections that are relevant to the plots of some (but not all) of the edits I'd added and you've removed. Perhaps, I would be able to persuade the community regarding some of them that their presence in the Intro part is beneficial for those who do not want to watch all of the classic Doctor Who.Amorkuz ☎  08:16, October 24, 2015 (UTC)


 * Hey. First, you should leave your responses on the other person's talk page instead of yours. That way, they'll get a notification that you've responded.


 * The original decision to get rid of timeline sections was made at Forum:Timeline sections on pages. Read the closing for the salient points. That discussion has been archived, so if you want to bring it up again, you'd have to start a new thread at Board:The Panopticon. You also might want to read Tardis:Changing policy and Tardis:Who writes policy for some background on how this wiki changes policies.


 * Personally, I think getting rid of timeline information was a good move. It's just not really necessary to say "The Doctor's Tale is set after An Unearthly Child", and more specific placements would require speculation. The fact that an Ian and Barbara story mentions The Crusades so it has to take place after that story is too minor to be put in the lead, and really belongs in the "continuity" section. The exception would be, as you stated, when a story is a direct sequel to another (like Domain of the Voord) which is definitely noteworthy. That should be remarked on in the lead. I think the pages for Blood Harvest and The Butcher of Brisbane do this pretty well.  P&amp;P  talk   contribs  14:42, October 24, 2015 (UTC)


 * For the vast majority of Companion Chronicles, and probably most Who stories, the placement isn't lead-worthy. The lead should be about why that story is unique or important. If placement information is included, the article should explain why that's relevant. Let's take, for example, The Doctor's Tale. Rather than say "this story takes place after The Crusade", it's more interesting to the reader to say "Ian's knighthood in The Crusade played a key role in the plot of this story." Or for Domain of the Voord, "this story saw the First Doctor and his companions once more facing the Voord, who they had previously encountered in The Keys of Marinus" is better than "this story takes place after The Keys of Marinus."


 * To me, the only situations where timeline placement is "certain enough and noteworthy enough" is when either the a story leads directly on from the previous one (like Time Crash following on from the ending of Last of the Time Lords) or there is out-of-universe information (the inside cover of The Hyperion Empire says it is between Last Christmas and Series 9). That's just my opinion, however, and noteworthiness is subjective. I don't think there can be a one-size-fits-all rule for this.


 * One last thing: leads don't have to be spoiler free, and in many cases they shouldn't be. If the lead of Earthshock failed to mention the appearance of the Cybermen at the end of part one or Adric's death at the end of part four, it would be fundamentally incomplete.  P&amp;P  talk   contribs  19:12, October 24, 2015 (UTC)

Please do not add timeline placement of stories in articles. User:PicassoAndPringles clearly stated why in her post and even gave you, at your request, a link to the forum decision. She gave clear examples of when and how to include this kind of information. If you would like to place stories in the "proper" timeline, you can only do so at Theory:Timey-wimey detector. Thanks. Shambala108 ☎  02:59, October 28, 2015 (UTC)


 * I don't understand what my dissension on the original discussion has to do with this, unless you're inferring that disagreement with a policy allows one to break it (see Tardis:You are bound by current policy). Once a policy is in place, everyone must follow it, whether they agreed on it or not and whether they even participated in the discussion or not.


 * And actually, "noteworthy" is not that hard to define. Merely listing where a story falls in relation to other stories is not only not noteworthy, but some of these listings leave out other media (please see Tardis:Neutral point of view), and often they are extremely speculative. We don't allow speculation on the wiki.


 * Noteworthy timeline info can go in the "Notes" or "Continuity" sections of story pages. I suggest you browse a few story pages in different media to see how it's handled. But sourced placement of stories should absolutely not belong on the page at all, much less the lead. Sure, Big Finish says where their stories take place relative to the TV series, but this wiki covers all media.


 * As I posted above, you can take this material to the Theory:Timey-wimey detector, which was put in place to house timeline placement information so that those who are interested in this kind of information can have a place to work out placement. But mere placement should not go on a story page unless the story has relevance to another story — such as a sequel, prequel, flashback, etc.


 * I hope that P&P and I have made the matter clear enough for you. There are some areas of the wiki where it just takes time to understand the nuances of a rule, and this happens to be one of them. Shambala108 ☎  02:28, October 29, 2015 (UTC)