Board Thread:The Panopticon/@comment-188432-20130129081336/@comment-26975268-20130401044646

ComicBookGoddess wrote: Your tone is borderline insulting, SOTO. Watch it.

I take it, then, you're in favour of one page? You didn't seem to be arguing that.

As you may notice above, several users feel that the competing narrative evidence of the two deaths is at least as strong a statement.

I am sorry if you're insulted.

Anyway, as I said, you can't apply the real world.

Sure, in the real world, if someone dies, then, a century later, someone who looks identical appears and doesn't seemingly remember her past life, then we know that they're different people.

But what about the Doctor's 'death' last season? We saw him die, and we saw his body burning. According to the real world, he's dead. No question about it.

...And then he was still alive. Clearly, this must be a different man, right?

Wrong! What we saw die was actually a Tesselecta, and the Doctor survived unharmed. Throw in a memory worm, and what have you got? Clara's situation.

Now I'm not claiming that she was a Tesselecta at the time of her deaths, and that she forgot about the Doctor because of a memory worm — that would be terrible writing! A repeat.

I can explain this better... Take the beginning of Series 6, for example. We couldn't say that the Doctor seemed to die, but could have escaped by actually being a Ganger. Or being in a Tesselecta. We could only deliver the facts that we were given: the Doctpr died and his body was burned. Sure, that information's now incorrect, but, at the time, it would have been speculation to assume that he didn't die.

Same here. All we're told is that she's the same woman, and that she both died as Clara and as Oswin. Anything else is speculation. We can't say that, I don't know, her soul was extracted by the Great Intelligence, and then put in a different Clara. We equally can't say that they're different women.

Is the Donna we see in TEOT a different woman just because she doesn't remember the Doctor? You can't say, based solely on her not remembering, that they're distinct.