Talk:Anna's Doctor Who Surprise

Re: T:OFF REL
Wouldn't the fact it's long since been uploaded to the official Youtube channel make it fair game? TheFatPanda ☎  21:57, November 16, 2018 (UTC)

Documentary
Let us try not to invent stories. There is nothing in-universe in this special. Amorkuz ☎  19:14, November 19, 2018 (UTC)


 * So Jodie Whittaker playing the Doctor, and coming to collect Anna through the TARDIS materializing outside her house isn't in-universe enough for you? I mean, this is definitely breaking the fourth wall to bits to tell an idealized version of the real Anna's "Doctor Who Surprise", but that doesn't mean it's not a story in the same loose way as the VHS Shada frame story is.


 * Or, you know, A Fix with Sontarans. That seems to be precisely in the same category. Begins in-universe (but fourth-wall-breaking since it's about a kid getting into the TARDIS, the whole thing being meant to fulfill the IRL kid's dream), then by the end the fourth wall's completely shattered and the Doctor actor is referring to themselves as such.--Scrooge MacDuck ☎  19:45, November 19, 2018 (UTC)

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 * The special is quite clear on this. The insert into the first episode has Jodie Whittaker say, "Hi Anna, It's me, Jodie. I'm the new Doctor." She then invites Anna and her brother to the "set" (where Doctor Who is filmed). Amorkuz ☎  19:38, November 19, 2018 (UTC)

But secondly, though IMHO more importantly, casting this as a story, whether valid or not, trivialises the matter and all but negates the point of the special. Anna Mark is a real girl, who loves the show, is very brave, and gets an outing any of us would remember forever, an outing that makes her very happy and, in her own words, feel "supported." This is Doctor Who at its best, making a difference for real people, with real problems. Fictionalising Anna into a mere character in a short story is just wrong. She is not an actor hired by BBC to play a girl helped by the Doctor. She is a real person, of flesh and blood, like you and me. And this is to be respected. Amorkuz ☎  19:56, November 19, 2018 (UTC)
 * (Sorry for the accidental post-deleting — a case of conflicting edits, I think.)
 * I see your point, putting it this way. But aside from the emotional angle, I don't see how this is much different at all from Gareth Jenkins, for whom the article also struggles to tell the difference between the "real" one and the "character", but acknowledges that he is, to an extent, both.
 * Again, from a human perspective, I understand how you see Anna's Doctor Who Surprise — and how one's bound see it extremely differently from how one sees A Fix with Sontarans’s unintentional creepiness — but from a neutral outsider's point of view, I don't think there's fair grounds to differentiate the two.
 * If anything, perhaps we should rewrite A Fix with Sontarans with clear "it opens with Colin Baker in-character as the Sixth Doctor" language akin to what we have here. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎  20:04, November 19, 2018 (UTC)
 * Again, from a human perspective, I understand how you see Anna's Doctor Who Surprise — and how one's bound see it extremely differently from how one sees A Fix with Sontarans’s unintentional creepiness — but from a neutral outsider's point of view, I don't think there's fair grounds to differentiate the two.
 * If anything, perhaps we should rewrite A Fix with Sontarans with clear "it opens with Colin Baker in-character as the Sixth Doctor" language akin to what we have here. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎  20:04, November 19, 2018 (UTC)
 * If anything, perhaps we should rewrite A Fix with Sontarans with clear "it opens with Colin Baker in-character as the Sixth Doctor" language akin to what we have here. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎  20:04, November 19, 2018 (UTC)