Howling:People no longer seem believe in alien life in the Whoniverse.

It was most clearly shown in The Vault of Secrets (set n 2010) - the only people who knew, or even believed, in alien life were were little groups that most people would call "crazy" for even suggesting it. These are people who are there because they - and they alone - had even seen alien life. This includes Rani's mother, who in the trailer reacts with shock to seeing spaceships. Even Sarah Jane doesn't want people knowing that she s well aware they exist any more. But back in children of Earth (set in September 2009), they talked about how everyone had seen alien life, and the majority accepted it.

I recall Torchwood series 4 spoilers implying that alien life is no longer known by series 4, that he world will not be aware of it. Ths has been the case f The Sarah Jane Adventures, too. Another thread in this forum talks about the Steven Moffat interview, about how the cracks erased the present day invasions and the present day Whoniverse Earth will no longer be aware of the existence of alien life due to the cracks. Damn, they really have changed the Whonverse. At least, the 21st century part of it. The producers seemed to show distaste at the fact that alien life has become common knowledge, and decided to erase the knowledge of it while maintaining the basic shape of the world. Nothing much has changed other than the majority of the world being unaware of the invasions. It should be noted that even after big bang II, the only things that came back were the things that Amy was made to remember, which only consisted of everything in series 5 and her family. Hence, anything else erased was not remembed by her and therefore lost forever. 90.202.150.206 23:16, October 18, 2010 (UTC)

Note that it could be the big invasions that got erased only and that Moffet lies.


 * It's almost certainly just the big invasions that got erased. Moffat said explicitly that the cracks didn't erase all of the first 4 series. And he's made his intentions abundantly clear: People in the Whoniverse will now react to aliens the same was as people in the real universe, just as they did in the classic series and the novels. That makes it easier to write good, relatable stories.


 * And if you look at it, by making all that future history from the pre-RTD days possible again, he's restored more stories than he's taken away (not to mention taking away the puzzle of why removing Adelaide Brooke's death was too drastic a change to stand, but dragging the Earth to the Medusa Cascade wasn't).


 * But really, who cares? The stories still exist. Can you not re-watch Turn Left because its timeline collapsed? Well, the same is true for Journey's End. In fact, unlike Turn Left, Journey's End is even still part of the Doctor's past, just not the "prime" timeline's past.


 * If it still bothers you that the Moff (or, for that matter, RTD) "stole" some of your favorite stories by taking them out of history, well, you obviously never read any of the Eighth Doctor Adventures. --99.35.132.17 13:11, May 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * This reminds me of something I've been thinking about recently: The Cybermen invasion seen in "The Tenth Planet." That story was set in 1986, but no one from after that year ever seems to know anything about it, and this was before the new series came along and started resetting things. Without resorting to the Time Crack, how do we explain the public's ignorance of this event? EJA 21:25, June 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * BURPSS are a crazy and eccentric fringe group, and this is completely regardless of whether the existence of aliens is no longer common knowledge. In The Vault of Secrets, Haresh, who knows that aliens exist, pointed that out to Gita when she joined them. -- Tybort 15:09, July 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * One possibility is that the Cybermen from the future inadvertently undid the events of The Tenth Planet by destroying Mondas before it arrived in 1986. We know that somehow, the non-time-traveling Cybermen of The Invasion, during the UNIT era, knew about The Tenth Planet. We also know that time-traveling Cybermen made at least one attempt to destroy the Earth to save Mondas, from Attack of the Cybermen (Earthshock might have given them the idea). In fact, Attack implies that the reason the TARDIS happened to go off-course and arrive on Earth in 1985 is that the Time Lords were fed up with the Cybermen meddling with history.
 * Still, you're right that it was never explained on-camera or off. Why did the Moff refer to Nessie in the Thames, but not Mondas in the sky? Well, most likely because he just didn't remember that story. There are probably others that are hard to sweep under the rug that Moffat didn't think of. Of course that's the virtue of not giving us an itemized list of which stories were and weren't erased, and just saying that anything that would make most humans believe in aliens is gone. But the cracks don't explain how The Tenth Planet in 1986 was forgotten by ''Silver Nemesis' in 1988. --99.40.53.116 10:02, July 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * Still, you're right that it was never explained on-camera or off. Why did the Moff refer to Nessie in the Thames, but not Mondas in the sky? Well, most likely because he just didn't remember that story. There are probably others that are hard to sweep under the rug that Moffat didn't think of. Of course that's the virtue of not giving us an itemized list of which stories were and weren't erased, and just saying that anything that would make most humans believe in aliens is gone. But the cracks don't explain how The Tenth Planet in 1986 was forgotten by ''Silver Nemesis' in 1988. --99.40.53.116 10:02, July 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * Still, you're right that it was never explained on-camera or off. Why did the Moff refer to Nessie in the Thames, but not Mondas in the sky? Well, most likely because he just didn't remember that story. There are probably others that are hard to sweep under the rug that Moffat didn't think of. Of course that's the virtue of not giving us an itemized list of which stories were and weren't erased, and just saying that anything that would make most humans believe in aliens is gone. But the cracks don't explain how The Tenth Planet in 1986 was forgotten by ''Silver Nemesis' in 1988. --99.40.53.116 10:02, July 20, 2011 (UTC)