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OttselSpy25 wrote: According to what I had read, the lead writer had considered that story a rebuttal to the TV movie, and that they didn't consider the TV movie to be part of that story's "true universe." If anything that only seems to explain the supposed death at the end -- what better way is there to clearly say that the TV movie doesn't count then to KILL the Doctor long before that story would take place?

That's why I've been saying it should at least be considered "another universe" rather than NOTVALID. Even if it doesn't consider the movie part of its "true universe," it does include some of the stuff before that. It's not written as a completely different version of all of Doctor Who (like the Cushing movies). It's just different where the movie (and its descendants) are concerned. Hence, a description of what happens to the Seventh Doctor in it should be placed on Seventh Doctor: "In one universe, the Time Lords were like, going away 'n' shit blah blah blah. (WC: Death Comes to Time (webcast)" That way, DCtT isn't considered absolute gospel on what happens in the universe of the TV movie, but it is'' explained in the proper context - as another version of pre-movie characters, sharing much of the same history.

OttselSpy25 wrote: It's one thing for stories to contradict each other -- Lungbarrow is still very much valid on this site, for example, and it contradicts almost every other Who story ever made -- but to go as far as to say that an entire incarnation of the Doctor doesn't count is a whole other ball park. The show, comics, books, and audios have consistently made it clear that the TV movie did happen. If the Doctor does die in that story, and it was intended to always be that way and was never meant to be un-done, then it's set in a different "idea" of the Doctor Who universe than most everything since then.

Again, "a different 'idea' of the Doctor Who universe than most everything since then." It's not portrayed accurately if we act like it's a different version of all of Doctor Who ever, when it in fact shares a lot of in-universe history.