User talk:CzechOut

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Bot action
I may need you to run the bot for to help me with me current job. I am currently wading through all our 'TV crew stubs' and removing the ones that aren't actually stubs. At the same time, I am tidying up the pages and this is where the bot could help:


 * Putting 'External links' into sentence case. It a frequent problem I have found, and is quite annoying. I know it doesn't show up on the heading, but it does if there is a contents page. Is it not the case headings should be in sentence case?


 * The additional space that was added by Users between article texts and 'External links'.


 * The changing of 'story' or 'television serial/episode' to 'television story'.

At the moment, I am about to going through the 'D's and have managed to cut the 'A's, 'B's and 'C's down by three quarters. Once I have done with the TV crew, I plan to go through them and try and fill them in as much as I can to 'unstub' them. Once that is done, it should be on the TV cast stubs. MM/ Want to talk? 20:05, November 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * That may be a fault on my behalf. What I meant was 'television episode' or 'television serial'. There is a small handful or things that are used:
 * Television story - which is what I am changing everything else to.
 * Television episode
 * Television serial
 * Serial
 * Story
 * Episode
 * TV


 * I think that 'television story' (or stories in some cases) is better, than those above and should be changed so they are all the same. MM/ Want to talk? 20:10, November 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * Alright, cool. I just went through the TV crew stubs and found five. Carolyn Mawdsley, Rochelle Selwyn, Ruth Mayorcas, Gary Sheppard and James Scott. MM/ Want to talk? 20:18, November 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I've only encountered on TV crew member pages (not to sure about actor pages, will have to check). The majority, if not all of them are Bob's handiwork - which will mean that it will be on real world pages - especially actor and crew member pages.


 * Half the stubs, maybe even two thirds of the pages are because people (Bob again, mainly) can't be bothered to removed the stub tag.


 * Cheers for moving the category to template, should make the job a lot easier. Just so you know, I only have the Hs, Ms, Ps, Rs, Ts, Ss and Ws to do. All other letters are done. The list has now been hugely cut. MM/ Want to talk? 22:10, November 21, 2012 (UTC)

Hi, I can't help but notice I'm unblocked here, but I can't find who Unblocked me as its not showing up in my Block Log, did you Unblock me, I can't assume you did, but I edited before and you edited after did you notice or am I allowed to edit or am I still blocked (not like I want to be blocked like but) .  CharmeRuler .  Talk •  Contribs . 19:11, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

Hebrew Wiki linked
So... Do I get to say "Mission Accomplished"?

In all seriousness I am glad that it's all worked out in the end with the Hebrew Wiki, and I am sorry that my contributions to the wiki were so headache-inducing. I've worked with numerous wikis since we've last spoken and have used my experiences here as a reminder to be a bit more cautious. Elecbullet ☎  01:09, November 24, 2012 (UTC)

New forums
The new forums kinda look like, well, what people associate with a forum / message board sort of thing. I think management wise it might be better, though the ability to delete posts is still an issue for me. Also not sure about the kudos feature. The forum thread history and the diff presentation seems to be implemented kinda oddly.

Also what are we to do with the active threads on the forums at the moment? Or will they just be wrapped up or continued in the new forums?

Thought you were going to kick back and just create pages about cricket or food eaten at cricket matches or something? Instead of messing around with the seemingly never ending tech issues/interesting stuff we have here. --Tangerineduel / talk 08:40, December 2, 2012 (UTC)

The forum thread about not signing posts
On your post about not signing forum posts, in the exceptions you say the only exceptions are pages with "talk" in the name. However, I also think it's worth mentioning in the exceptions that signatures should be required on the Howling still as it doesn't use the new forum format. Unless we aren't meant to sign there either, in which case I would like to know why since it doesn't use the new forum format. Thanks for your time. Imamadmad ☎  03:43, December 3, 2012 (UTC)

Cyber-edit-wars
I think it would be a good idea to lock down Cyberman to anon-users. There have been quite a few edit wars started there of a person or persons who doesn't have an account and thinks that the "Mondasian Cybermen are all dead" or something. OS25 (talk to me, baby.) 21:10, December 3, 2012 (UTC)

Wikia and their TOU
I did see it and wondered what it was and was going to try clicking 'start discussion' to see what happened. I assumed it was something to do with the new forum rollout or something.

As you've explained it, it seems that it's another case of Wikia deciding to roll something out without much care of how it works, the old 'hey this is cool, we'll implement it everywhere' mentality Wikia seems to have. --Tangerineduel / talk 07:56, December 4, 2012 (UTC)

Advice - Retraction request
You've rambled around more wikis and Wikipedia than I have, on my talk page I've been asked to retract my opinion on Forum:Inclusion debate:Señor 105. It's entirely possible that the unsigned user is the author in question. I haven't been able to find any statement by Paul Leonard/Hinder. Searching for information about it the forum discussion does turn up, which I'd assume is how the author (or someone pretending to be the author) found the forum discussion. Any advice would be great thanks. --Tangerineduel / talk 07:38, December 5, 2012 (UTC)

Videos
I've dabed Cotton to Cotton (The Mutants), but I realise that's left the dab page Cotton still having videos relating to the Mutants character. -- Tybort (talk page) 17:13, December 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yep, that works for non-admins. Even if it didn't, I certainly wouldn't have figured that out. -- Tybort (talk page) 18:12, December 6, 2012 (UTC)

Background Change
Hey, I noticed that you guys have changed the background again; I like it, naturally, but I've always wondered: how did you all come to the decision of using Christopher Eccleston's Doctor for the previous background? I'm not complaining, of course (Doctor Nine is severely underrated), but I'm still curious about why you chose him.

Oh, and thank you for warning me about not getting my hopes up for "Asylum." Dr. Anonymous1 ☎  20:36, December 6, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm glad that you made that choice. And honestly, I am actually kind of glad to see Amy and Rory go; I mean, I liked them, but their story was long since over by the time they were unnecessarily forced into "Asylum", and they had pretty much worn out their welcome.

And actually, I REALLY wouldn't mind if Moffat himself passed on the baton as well; I mean, he wrote some pretty good stories (the Empty Child), as a showrunner he made some totally unnecessary and not very good "changes" to the show (will they change the title sequence already?!). Besides, he REALLY screwed the pooch big-time on Parody... I mean, ASYLUM of the Daleks. I mean, he promised three things to us viewers: 1. a horde of insane, demented Daleks 2. A revisit of every Dalek model in the show's history, which would make it a must-watch for any Dalek aficionado 3. The Daleks becoming scary again.

Here's what he churned out: 1. A horde of Daleks whose greatest affliction is an easily-fixed speech impediment

2. One or two of the old Daleks, which are only seen two or three times in the background for five seconds, making trying to spot them akin to playing a monochromatic game of "Where's Waldo?"

3. A bunch of Dalek-insulting concepts that would have been better suited for "Curse of Fatal Death", such as the Doctor opening a Dalek's dome like a wastebasket (?!!!), the idea that the notoriously authoritarian Dalek Empire has developed a Parliament (which, by the way, is entirely unnecessary and contradictory to pretty much everything previously established about them), and a bunch of Daleks yelling "Doctor Who" over and over again. What great ideas, Moffat.

There. Rant over. I'm sorry, I'm just really ticked by how badly Moffat failed to fulfill his promises in that episode. As far as I'm concerned, the only really good thing that "Asylum" contributed to Dalek lore was the restoration of the bronze models as the standard model. And thank God for that.

But I really think that, next time they make a Dalek episode, they hire a writer who can actually show the Daleks some respect... Like Nick Briggs! He made them terrifying in his audio stories.

All in all, I just REALLY don't like the direction Moffat's taken the series. I mean, say what you like about RTD (believe me, I have), but overall he was a MUCH better showrunner. If someone else could take over, and undo (or redo) the changes to the show that Moffat's made, I really wouldn't mind.

Anyway, now that my cathartic rant is out of the way... What else is new around here? Dr. Anonymous1 ☎  23:55, December 6, 2012 (UTC)

Cyberman
I'm aware of that, but,as I stated on the apge, we should discuss the issue before changing it. OS25 (talk to me, baby.) 02:39, December 7, 2012 (UTC)

Peri Brown
Thank you for locking the edits on the page for Peri Brown - I was the user who saw the original post when one of the other users started adding fanfiction to the page, so I undid the edit, but from then on I kept getting emails letting me know that that user was editing the page to put the fanfiction back on, so I kept undoing it. The version which is locked on there right now actually has the beginning of the fanfiction entry at the very bottom of the page - a section called Alternate Timeline stating Peri and the Fifth Doctor had a daughter named Melanie Cranleigh (which, according to the profile, is the name of user:Michikojichoi, who made the edit originally). Would it be possible to have this removed as the page is edit locked? Thank you for all the hard work you put into this site, it's great! TARDIStraveler ☎  00:02, December 8, 2012 (UTC)

Disambiguating a common term
Now, it's a given that the word "cotton" appears in the DWU (If you're still not sure, I'm partway through Exodus Code, and the word's used on pages 36 and 64). Does that mean the location of the disambiguation page I recently created should be Cotton (disambiguation) and the material the "primary term" on "just Cotton"? -- Tybort (talk page) 13:02, December 8, 2012 (UTC)

Edit to valid sources
There's a section on Tardis:Valid sources which mentions "an" TV audiobook from AudioGO. It's clear that before a massive bot run to simplify the prefixes, that that was an SJA audiobook. Could that be fixed?

Also, there's a typo which calls Faction Paradox, Faction Parodox and uses of prefixes in an unusual way in the #What doesn't count section. -- Tybort (talk page) 22:45, December 9, 2012 (UTC)

Webcast prefixes
Is what I've heard you say a few times about webcasts basically being television a shut case, or is there still an unresolved discussion of how to approach webcasts and websites' prefixes (and if websites that still exist like UNIT "count")? I noticed nothing Internet-related is on Tardis:Prefixes' in-universe sources. -- Tybort (talk page) 22:02, December 10, 2012 (UTC)

Hello. I am new here. I just wanted to be sure I am doing this correctly. Can someone tell me how to post blogs? Forgive me if I do not do this correct. I am learning as I go. Thanks. Hotshot70 ☎  05:00, December 15, 2012 (UTC)

oh, sorry. I saw the "Rani Chandra..." badge that mentions "writing on a blog post". I guess I misunderstood. Thanks for the reply. Hoping to contribute to the site more. Hotshot70 ☎  05:40, December 15, 2012 (UTC)

I am this close to inform the police that you are logging into my Facebook account illegally.We detected a login into your account from an unrecognized device on Saturday, December 15, 2012 at 12:09am. Operating System: WinVista Browser: Firefox Location: Salt Lake City, UT, US (IP=98.202.3.159) Note: Location is based on internet service provider information. If this was you, please disregard this email. If this wasn't you, please secure your account, as someone else may be accessing it. Thanks, The Facebook Security Team I just posted a message on the main forum and have saved all record of your illegal login. This will be used in court when I sue you.

Talkback
Wasn't sure the talk page etiquette here, so just letting you know I left a reply to you on my talk page--Acer4666 (Talk) 01:57, December 17, 2012 (UTC)

Tablets, TOU, Forums
I will keep an eye out for the Wikia Mobile App, whenever it appears next year. I've found Wikipedia's mobile app to be terrible quicker to just search in safari than use the app. Hopefully Wikia's offering will be better. But from reading the post it'll be reading only not editing. I think I've mentioned before that the site looks fine on the iPad on any of the browsers that you can use on the iPad. Some render things a little differently to others and depending on which mobile browser you use the side stub tags etc appear or don't appear. I can take some screenshots if you're interested.

I'm surprised about the TOU and that guy's avatar not running afoul of it. Wikia's strange some of the time. They'll let that through but not let us get rid of a button or hide an ugly bit of formatting. Though it does seem now that his avatar has been removed.

A question about the (new) forums, is there any way to increase the amount of threads shown per page to more than 10? I had a look on the Community Central boards and their limit appears to be 10 as well, so I'm guessing it's a technical limitation? Just thought I'd ask as I'm not sure if everyone will look beyond the first page of threads.

Also, relating to Acer4666's post about the big box of nothing obscuring when viewing the source of locked pages, it's not just here as I saw it happening over on Wookipedia. I just put it down to the many bugs of Wikia and didn't think much more of it. --Tangerineduel / talk 03:43, December 17, 2012 (UTC)

Images
Hey :). It's not a problem. I will get round to either tonight or at some point tomorrow. MM/ Want to talk? 21:53, December 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * Done. Took much less time than I thought it would. I went through his entire image history and even found a couple from April. All have been reverted and images that violated other policies have been deleted. MM/ Want to talk? 22:41, December 17, 2012 (UTC)

El Señor
Hello CzechOut,

I'm Blair Bidmead, the author of 'By The Time I Get To Venus' I've already been in touch with one of your other contributers, Tangerineduel.

This 'controversy' about my novella was brought to my attention by my editor. Like I said to Tangerineduel; I am less interested in Señor 105's inclusion in the Wiki (although. personally, I don't see why the character shouldn't be) than I am about the doubts being cast as to Paul Hinder (aka, Paul Leonard) granting his permission to use his concepts.

He is acknowledged in the ebook itself and on the publisher's website. I am not sure what else I can do to convince you. If I supply contact details for Paul, you're only going to doubt their validity, because I would be supplying them.

Paul Hinder has (we hope, temporarily) retired from writing, but is contactable. The Doctor Who writer; Jim Mortimore is a friend of his. Indeed, Jim supplied me with visual reference of the Venusians when I was writing the book at Paul's suggestion.

Further verification is out there, if you need it. I am certain you don't mean to paint me as a plagiarist, but the implication is there, on this site and it makes me a little uncomfortable.

Review copies of 'By The Time I Get To Venus' are available if anyone is interested.

All the best

BBX

blairbidmead@hotmail.com If you think that we're accusing you of plagiarism, or even implying the same, then you badly misunderstand the point of our discussion. So let me attempt to clarify:


 * 'Your word isn't good enough. Your word isn't even relevant.  As the author of the work in question, your self-published'' words have no influence on our discussion whatsoever.

It's as simple as that.

You may not be interested in the matter of whether this e-novella is inlcuded on this site, but that's the only discussion of relevance to us. If we don't allow a page to be created for the book, then the "controversy", such as it is, simply melts away. Put very coldly, you only matter to us inasmuch as you're the author of a book we cover. That's why everything we've been saying in this discussion has been geared towards figuring out whether Paul Leonard gave his permission — and whether, in the presence of such permission, the novella is close enough to the DWU to be covered here.

It is a very long-held convention of wiki-editing that self-published sources are usually unreliable. stresses the need to avoid the situation we have with you. To my eye, what seems to be happening is this:


 * '''Someone we don't personally know, and whose identity we can't absolutely verify, has claimed to be the author of something they don't fully, legally own. They're claiming that they have permission from the third party who owns the content to legally publish works that contain those copyrighted elements.

Now, don't mistake what's being said here. I'm not calling you a liar. I'm simply saying that Tangerineduel has looked for material that independently confirms the claims of your blog, and he hasn't found any. (And no one has even hinted that you were a plagiarist, in the common sense definition of the word. At no point has anyone suggested that you copied anyone's work.)

Put another way, the material discovered so far falls foul of. You are making an important (and ) claim that is not backed up by any mainstream (or even "mainstream for DW fans") sources. The reason it's such an extraordinary claim is that the entire justification for including these Señor 105 e-novellas on our site at all depends upon Paul Leonard's permission. If he didn't give permission, then we flatly don't cover the e-novellas. Period. Without question.

Your material wasn't covered by Doctor Who Magazine, as far as we've been able to tell, nor by any literary review magazine, nor even by a random site that conducted an interview with Paul Leonard. No independent Doctor Who site of which we are aware, and which we consider valid by our own local policies, has mentioned your work at all — or, more crucially, Leonard's permission for your work. (Again, so far as we are currently aware.)

And that's our conundrum. Neither I nor Tangerineduel are saying you're other than that which you have represented yourself to be. What we're saying, simply, is that you are not Paul Leonard. You therefore cannot make assertions about him in material that you have yourself published that we can use. Now, if you were interviewed somewhere by a reputable source, we could quote that source as to the opinion you offered. But you can't just say, "Oh, my blog site, or my Twitter feed or my Tumblr says I've got Leonard's permission, so it's all cool." Remember, we're talking about his reputation as much as we are yours.

Surely you can see the administrative nightmare that would be caused by allowing in these e-novellas based on your word alone. If we did it for you, we'd have to do it for anyone. And, quite obviously, people — not you, but "people" — do like to exaggerate their connections to those who make their favourite fiction. In this age of self-publication, we must be extra-cautious about claims that one person is making of another living person. Even if that means that the occasional truth does not get published on our site.

Obviously, if you have material that you think would not fall foul of the above-mentioned Wikipedia policies, we'll be happy to review it. Actually, if you have anything else besides your blog, we'll be happy to review it. This discussion started from a position of total ignorance about your work, and that condition hasn't really changed. So any further light you can shed on it will be most welcome. 16:52: Tue 18 Dec 2012

Vandal
User:93.202.175.96 appears to be a vandal. OS25 (talk to me, baby.) 19:13, December 18, 2012 (UTC)

Secondary source question
Hi! I came across the page for Temus, an in-universe article which has only one citation, The Gallifrey Chronicles (illustrated guide). The page for The Gallifrey Chronicles says it can only be used as a secondary source, that is, only for behind-the-scenes or real-world pages. Is there any way to fix this? Thanks! Shambala108 ☎  05:49, December 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks for the info. I will take care of that later this evening when I have time for some editing. Shambala108 ☎  16:25, December 19, 2012 (UTC)

Mergers
As you know I'm often here editing fairly late into the night and I've found when I'm doing mergers I need to be a little more engaged to do them as there's a few more steps involved. So I basically slap the merge tags on various articles so they're all categorised and then do them as a batch when I've got my mind in the right gear. Don't worry, they will get done and they will get done before the Christmas story. I've stuck a post-it on my desk and will hopefully get them done by the weekend. --Tangerineduel / talk 14:03, December 19, 2012 (UTC)

Más del Señor
Hi CzechOut,

'By The Time I Get To Venus' was not 'self-published'. It was published by 'Manleigh Books' which is the e-book offshoot of 'Obverse Books'. I was approached by the editor of the Señor 105 series (Cody Quijano-Schell) to pitch. I was commissioned and paid for my work.

As I have already said that I understand your reasoning for not being able to take *my* word for it. My last message to you was to point out that any doubts about my claims are easily verifiable with a cursory amount of effort.

I think I'll leave it there.

Me; Barack Obama. You; Donald Trump :)

Peace out!

BBX
 * We've never claimed that your story was self-published. All we've said is that your blog — which is the only source you've shown us — is self-published. We are actively looking for sources that we can use.  If you would please provide these sources, we will be more than happy to look at them.  In Tangerineduel's experience, it has not been discoverable with "a cursory amount of effort", so we do actively want your help.   15:32: Wed 19 Dec 2012

Hi,

Oh, OK. I was going to leave it there, but you've pointed out my misunderstanding your comment about 'self-publishing' - My bad. Apologies.

Just to reiterate; I get that you feel you need further verification. I understand your thinking completely.

Like I said previously, Jim Mortimore is easy enough to contact via the 'net (He's on facebook for a start). As well as being an author himself, he did the illustration on the cover of 'Venusian Lullaby'. Jim could put you in touch with Paul Hinder, if Jim's confirmation isn't verification enough.

All the best!

BBX


 * For the time being, we've deleted the forum page, the talk page and the page about Señor 105 himself. Hopefully this will mean that the pages fall off Google's radar, and you won't feel that you are being quite so publicly questioned.


 * I didn't know until today that those three pages were the top 3 hits on Google for the term "senor 105".


 * I went ahead and decided to delete the article on Señor 105 himself because it appears as though it was created and materially edited by Cody Quijano-Schell. As the character's creator, that's an inappropriate . This deletion doesn't mean the article can't be recreated; it just means that it needs to be written by someone unconnected with the series. Objectivity, and all that jazz.  16:46: Wed 19 Dec 2012

Images and licences
I just though I tell you that I contacted Wikia on Monday telling them about the problem we sometimes encounter with Users not putting licences on their images. I also asked/suggested they make it impossible to upload an image without a licence. Their reply was:

Hello,

Thanks for contacting Wikia. This is something we are definitely looking for ways to improve. I don't know if we would take the drastic step of disallowing it completely, but there may be intermediate approaches that go further to discourage it. I will add your suggestion to our internal conversation about this topic.

Thanks for the input,

__ Sean McGilvray Wikia Community Support

To me this suggests they will not be stopping images being uploaded without a licence, but will try and prevent it from happening. I don't know what use this has, if any, but I thought I would inform you of what is happening regarding this. I'll keep you updated if I hear anything else. MM/ Want to talk? 23:40, December 19, 2012 (UTC)

My draw-dropping impatience
Hey Czech, just wanted to ask if you saw my message at Talk:P.S. (webcast). I've been waiting half a day and I had presumed that you hadn't seen it. OS25 (talk to me, baby.) 03:21, December 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * K, sorry, my bad. I just felt that what I had left there was rather important, and such. OS25 (talk to me, baby.) 19:12, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

RE: Banned from chat
Yeah... a bug...

Nah, I got banned from chat for my own stupidity and forgetfulness. I opened it up one day to see what it was about, then forgot about it and left it open while continuing about my day which included opening and shutting my computer a lot, logging me on and off and annoying some people who were trying to chat, and I seem to remember one of them being an admin. Anyway, I don't have much use for the feature. I don't often find things on this site which I can add to (outside the forums that is). I find I can be much more helpful over on DW Answers. Which brings me to your second point. I see User:Master of Spiders has reblocked you for some past errors. He wrote a message on your talk page over there. I can talk to him about it if you want. Imamadmad ☎  19:39, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

Seems Master of Spiders has changed his mind about the whole ban issue. Just to be clear, the main reason I didn't immediately remove the ban was because we're all new at the whole admin thing over there and I didn't want to get on anyones bad side so soon. Also haven't used the block thing before personally. I admit I probably should have left a message on Spiders' talk page immediately about the issue, but you have now been unblocked regardless. I've seen your work over here and it is all really good and you obviously have what's best for the wiki in mind. I would love your input and expertise over there. Yet again, I'm sorry I didn't do anything immediately.

Also, thanks for the chat unblock and the advice on the categories. It's much apreciated. Imamadmad ☎  07:39, December 21, 2012 (UTC)

That's weird both your block log and your name at the top last I checked before I left that last message both said you were unblocked. I'll see what I can do. Imamadmad ☎  13:20, December 21, 2012 (UTC)