User:SOTO/Forum Archive/Inclusion debates/@comment-1506468-20190827123101/@comment-28349479-20190827154301

Since Revan sensibly requested we discuss this matter here rather than on talk pages... Amorkuz wrote:

Thank you, Shambala108, for explaining the standard etiquette. Indeed, when you message somebody and they do not drop what they are doing to respond, perhaps, messaging them two more times may not achieve the results you hoped for. As another standard reminder, please recall that admin perform their duties for free on a voluntary basis and have other non-wiki-related obligations, such as jobs and families (not to mention the necessity to eat and sleep from time to time). I certainly did not appreciate your insistence. Amorkuz, your kind reminders about eating and sleeping would be very helpful and relevant if I sent those messages while you were offline and got annoyed that you weren’t logging in. But that isn’t the case. Before, during, and after my messages (and Borisashton’s), you were actively editing the wiki and removing or deleting tens of thousands of words of content. For this reason I know how frustrating it is to see oodles of time-consuming work undone, and by preempting your cleansing of Special:WhatLinksHere/Rachel Survived (short story), Special:WhatLinksHere/White Canvas (short story), and Special:WhatLinksHere/The Gendar Conspiracy (short story) — a process which by my count took about ninety minutes — I was hoping to stop you from having to experience the same. I understand now that you were acting based on a secret admin consensus, but it’s clear that this discussion happened without any input from anyone familiar with the hard-to-find details — the details which originally made it so obvious to other editors that the stories are self-evidently valid.

A note about the scope of this conversation, then: for the record, we are not discussing the validity of the entire 10,000 Dawns series, in the same way that we would never discuss the validity of all of Star Trek based on Assimilation². The three 10,000 Dawns stories that cross over with the Doctor Who universe are specifically All three of these were published (and sold for profit) by Arcbeatle Press, as well as kindly posted for free on the author’s website, as linked above. I hope that helps clarify the scope of the conversation for anyone who’s learning of all this for the first time.
 * 1) the short story Rachel Survived, which crosses over with the Faction Paradox novel Head of State;
 * 2) the novella White Canvas, which crosses over with the Virgin New Adventures novels The Death of Art and Ghost Devices, the BBC Eighth Doctor novel Father Time, the BBC Short Trips story War Crimes, the Comeuppance Comics story Miranda, and a plethora of short stories from the Faction Paradox anthologies The Book of the Enemy and The Book of the Peace; and
 * 3) the short story The Gendar Conspiracy, which, as a short sequel to White Canvas, also crosses over with the New Adventures novel Ghost Devices and two stories from the Faction Paradox anthology The Book of the Enemy.

Unrelated to all of the above, at the very least could Original Mammoths be un-deleted and given a rename or merge tag? Obviously I have a vested interest, but while the title may have come from White Canvas, I believe most of the page’s content came from the short story Cobweb and Ivory, which (last I checked) is still fully valid. Thanks.