User talk:DENCH-and-PALMER

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Thanks for becoming a member of the TARDIS crew! If you have any questions, see the Help pages, add a question to one of the Forums or ask on my talk page. CzechOut ☎  23:05, March 8, 2014 (UTC)

NOTVALID appearances
Hey! I deleted the "list of NOTVALID appearances" pages you created. First of all, a change like that should be brought up on Board:The Panopticon first. But also, I think those lists miss the point of the NOTVALID prefix. Does the Master really appear in The Curse of Fatal Death? No, a parody of him does. Does the Second Doctor appear in Devious? No more than in any fanfiction. There's a reason some sources are valid and some aren't, and those lists undermine that. I hope that makes sense.  P&amp;P  talk   contribs  00:57, December 17, 2015 (UTC)

Oh Ok, I understand, maybe we should have a list of NOT VALID things, so people like myself can see what is NOT VALID in this wiki?

Moving pages
Howdy! Thanks for trying to help by moving pages, but it's important that you please stop immediately. The parenthetical expressions after titles have been worked out after years of discussion and agreement amongst our members. They're also deeply embedded into several templates, and you can't just make up your own phrases like (Home Video). It'll cause quite a bit of chaos at several unexpected points around the wiki.

For the time being, please immediately stop moving pages. This doesn't mean that we don't want your contributions — of course we need you! — but just stop this one thing for the time being. Thanks :)

Oh, and you might find these pages helpful: T:DAB, T:DAB TERM, T:DAB STORY. IF you have any questions, don't hesitate to get in touch! 03:54: Fri 18 Dec 2015

Thanks for the comments and I will stop, sorry for the inconvenience.

Categories
Hi there. Please can you stop making categories grouping together "colours" or "with the word invasion". They simply don't serve a purpose on the wiki. Categories should be relevant to Doctor Who itself, grouping together themes seen within the show itself. Thanks. --Revan\Talk 21:00, December 22, 2015 (UTC)

Will do, sorry.

Sorry
That's alright, everyone makes mistakes. No one was made upset by this, so there's no need to feel bad. The only reason I gave you the short block just to stop you adding categories as Revan and I were removing them, and it was not a punishment or anything. I hope that this doesn't stop you from editing with us, as we are always glad of more contributors. :)

I didn't see your message from before, but I'll answer it now. We don't have a list of all NOTVALID content, but we do instead have a list of things that are allowed: Tardis:Valid sources/Detailed list. I think it would be difficult to maintain a list of things that aren't valid, because the things that aren't valid greatly outnumbers those which are: trailers, fanfiction, charity anthologies, reference books, parodies, etc.

One last thing: you should always sign your posts on talk pages. Just put four tildes after your message, like so: ~  P&amp;P  talk   contribs  22:52, December 22, 2015 (UTC)

Don't worry :)

 * Hey. Dench. Can I call you Dench? It's clear that you're eager, and it's clear that you want to help. And that's great! Really, it is. You've shown you're perfectly willing to put a bit of work into your own projects, and you've been experimenting a lot with things like categories and page moving. You're feeling around, trying out your own ideas and applying them to the structures we have here.


 * I just want to say, there's nothing wrong with learning. Every one of us more experienced users can remember a time when we were just starting out, and messing up a tonne. And that's okay. As a new editor, I misunderstood some policies, apparently didn't have the greatest of discussion habits judging by my talk page archives, and got a page deleted which I had spent a lot of time on. My first edit as an IP editor was an attempt to change all the instances of  on the Snowmen page, I believe, into , because I didn't realise those double apostrophes made those episode titles italicised, and I didn't know they were meant to be italicised. I also spent a really long time designing a new Tardis wordmark back when we were looking into new ones, and only later found out about the required dimensions. (Then I spent a bit more time on it and ended up with the image you see in large in my user page.) My point is that we all start out on the wiki not knowing what the hell we're doing. And that's perfectly okay.


 * I can only say, as someone that's been through it, that you shouldn't be afraid to ask us admin questions before setting out on any new missions. I think your enthusiasm is great, and you may prove a great help in the future. Don't be embarrassed to ask first if you're not sure; we'll always give you the information you need, and may save you a lot of work by explaining why your proposed category fails T:CAT NAME, or why that story isn't valid per T:VS. And maybe even by offering up my bot services because you've made a really good suggestion; who knows? But hey, if you mess up, that's what we're here for. That's how you'll get better. We'll link you to the policies, or explain what you're doing wrong, and you'll learn from it.


 * Don't be afraid of the purple links! :P When you see you have a hypercube, assume we're looking out for the best interests of the wiki and of you as an editor, and allow us to guide your energies so they're spent in the most productive ways possible. Nobody's upset that you tried out some category ideas. You experimented, you learned, you found out what you were doing wrong. You listened. That, in my eyes, is a great start.


 * If you stick around, and listen when we explain how things work around here, before you know it all these things will become second-nature to you. I hope to see you grow as an editor throughout 2016; I wish you luck. :) 05:26, December 23, 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks SOTO, I shall keep editing if you wish me too. DENCH-and-PALMER ☎  09:47, December 23, 2015 (UTC)


 * You know you should really respond on my talk page. :)
 * If you click on my talk button, next to my name, and leave me a message there, I'll get a notification telling me to read your message. Nice post-signing, though! ;)
 * (Also, keep editing because you want to. This is a community, made of of editors. Find some things you enjoy working on, and have fun doing it!) 13:01, December 23, 2015 (UTC)

T:BOLD / T:LEADS / etc
Oh yeah, almost forgot why I came here. T:BOLD / T:LEADS. when you create a new article, the lead—that is, the first sentence, which typically gives the most important or central piece(s) of information—it should contain the name of the topic (usually the name of the article, with some obvious exceptions) in bold ( bold ).

Bold :P

Before I go into it all, I just want to say that there are standard preloads you can choose from the sidebar, if you want start your article on VisualEditor. You choose one from the list, and it gives you a template for most things you need. An infobox if you need it, at the top when it's necessary, etc. Use what you need, and remove as needed. Great way to get used to things, instead of starting from scratch every time. Especially if you're starting an article about a crew/cast member, you'll want that. It gives you a whole external links section too with IMDb. (If you can't find the person on IMDb, just remove the template.)

Okay, here we go. I'll just make you a lil table of the starts of your articles, and what maybe they could have been instead on the first go.

So in review, some important things to remember:
 * 1) There are preloads. They give you the things you need. Use them when in any sort of doubt. I don't think they appear in VisualEditor, so try to create your articles in the more sourcy editor for now.
 * 2) In the lead, pin-point where the subject is, and bolden it. If you can't pinpoint where the subject is, you're doing it wrong.
 * 3) If it's a real world (not in-universe) article, add to the top, always.
 * 4) Link. A lot. We want people clicking, finding out more!
 * 5) Don't forget to add all your sources. (Story titles always italicised.)
 * 6) when it's a name;  when it's a title and starts with "The".
 * 7) Don't forget categories. Very important. If you're not sure where it should go, do some exploring. Just be wise with categories in general. But every page needs to have one valid category. Policy states, within one hour of page creation. 15:22, December 23, 2015 (UTC)
 * Can you please show you understand by updating the pages which you've created, to the extent that I went into above? I hope you understand things a little better now. :) 15:24, December 23, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks SOTO =D, you're very kind for helping me =D. I'll take it all into account. DENCH-and-PALMER ☎  15:30, December 23, 2015 (UTC) DENCH-and-PALMER
 * You're welcome! Come to my talk page if you need anything. 18:14, December 23, 2015 (UTC)

Just a couple of policies
Hey. Can you just have quick browse through Tardis:Italics and Tardis:Don't over-wikify? Thanks.-- 21:41, December 25, 2015 (UTC)

I wasn't aware of this, I shall add italics every time I add a title =D, sorry for the inconvenience Skittles. DENCH-and-PALMER ☎  21:44, December 25, 2015 (UTC)DENCH-and-PALMER


 * There is a category - category:policies - where you can find all the tenets (or nearly all) of the wiki. Obviously you can't spend a day reading through them all, but if you ever wonder why an edit is reversed or if you want to know how to go about something, you may find your answer there. Besides that, it might be a good idea to just look at the source code of a few articles just to see how it's done. You're probably sure-footed if you emulate what's gone before. Hope this helps.-- 21:48, December 25, 2015 (UTC)

Images
Hi. I deleted the image you uploaded for a few reasons. Most importantly, there was no license. Every uploaded image has to have a copyright license, which you can choose in the drop-down on the upload page. Just choose the option that best describes the source of the image.

This is really important. Any image without a license will be deleted.

Also, the filename should be descriptive of the image, like "River Gifted her Sonic Screwdriver.jpg". Lastly, its preferred that images have a widescreen aspect ratio, i.e. be wider than they are tall. If you ever want to quickly check the rules, you can see our image policy cheat card at Help:Image cheat card. Thank you!  P&amp;P  talk   contribs  01:45, December 26, 2015 (UTC)

Ok, sorry about that, I'll remember for next time =) DENCH-and-PALMER ☎  10:39, December 26, 2015 (UTC)DENCH-and-PALMER

Category mistake
I've already done it. Thanks for the heads-up.-- 13:37, December 26, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for understanding DENCH-and-PALMER ☎  13:38, December 26, 2015 (UTC)DENCH-and-PALMER

NameSort
What do you mean? Could you give a specific example? Anything that has a first and last name absolutely needs. 21:44, December 26, 2015 (UTC)

Oh, that's okay then, I thought you only did it to in universe articles, it's okay thanks SOTO =D. DENCH-and-PALMER ☎  21:46, December 26, 2015 (UTC)

We're proud of you so far! (from the admin team)
Hey, Denchen! SOTO here, on behalf of the admin team.

You've been showing great improvement with your articles, and we wanted to let you know that we're proud of how quickly you've learned and adapted! Great work, honestly, on improving your wiki skills. Congratulations! We do hope you stick around with us. We're always be here for support, and to tell you if you're ever doing something horribly wrong. But that's how you learn, and I trust that you will! Just take in what we say, and keep on learning.

For example: category:Stunt Doubles for the Doctor. We only capitalise the first word (well, that's automatic) and any proper nouns within. That should be category:Stunt doubles for the Doctor, and category:Doctor Who stunt performers absolutely should not be within it, because that's recursion. Don't take this to mean you're reached your peak. You still have learning to do, and we'll be here to help you along that path, watch your edits and correct you when you get something wrong.

But here, you can have a slice of your 2000 cake a thousand edits early, in celebration of your recent improvement. Can't wait for the next thousand great edits until you get to edit 2000! =)

Thanks Guys, and I will take on board the capital letters, thanks for the help, you're all very kind =D DENCH-and-PALMER ☎  10:45, December 29, 2015 (UTC)

Kate Stewart
Hey. When you have time, can you recreate Category:Kate Stewart Stories as category:Kate Stewart stories and place it in category:Stories by featured characters. Just keep an eye on capitalisation. Thanks.-- 18:47, December 30, 2015 (UTC)

Will do it straight way Skittles, sorry for any inconvenience. DENCH-and-PALMER ☎  18:53, December 30, 2015 (UTC)

Just a quick one, how do you remove the categories? DENCH-and-PALMER ☎  18:56, December 30, 2015 (UTC)


 * Oh, I didn't notice this until now, but I see SOTO has already answered your question below. You should reply on the other person's talk page, by the way, so they're notified of the message.-- 12:38, December 31, 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah, I took care of that category move without even noticing this message here. I've got a bot; always come to me, guys. :) 13:41, December 31, 2015 (UTC)

Redundant categories
Best to just ask an admin, rather than acting on it without discussion. Maybe add a tag as well, so it can be discussed. Never remove a category manually without any discussion. That category may not be redundant.

Best to ask me specifically, in fact, because I have a bot, and I can remove categories much more easily than anyone on this wiki but user:CzechOut. What category do you feel is redundant? If you're referring to category:Individual Zygons, that is not redundant. category:Zygons is not a category for individuals, but rather information related to Zygons, much like category:Time Lords. Any pages about individuals do not in fact belong there and should be moved to the individuals category. 02:04, December 31, 2015 (UTC)

Ok, thanks Soto =D DENCH-and-PALMER ☎  10:40, December 31, 2015 (UTC)

Images
Hi! Please remember to always put the appropriate license on images you upload. Just pick from the drop-down. Also, for comic strip images, try to either include the whole speech bubble or crop it all the way out. See our guide to images for some tips on how to get the best possible comic images. Thanks! 00:09, January 1, 2016 (UTC)

Hi
Thanks for letting me know. The editor has been blocked. 16:53, January 2, 2016 (UTC)

Happy to Help =D DENCH-and-PALMER ☎  19:13, January 2, 2016 (UTC)

Silver Doctor
I have explained why I think that there is no information how the Silver Doctor looks on the talk page of the article. I may, of course, be wrong. If I am, however, I would appreciate it if you could prove me wrong by providing a quote from the text confirming that the Silver Doctor looks like the Eighth Doctor, not simply called like him. As I mentioned on the talk page, the Silver Doctor does sound like a Doctor, but "look-alike" is explicitly appearance-based, not voice-based. I also propose not to change the page until we reach a consensus on the topic or are both overruled by an admin. Let's nip any hint of edit wars in the bud. ;) Looking forward to hearing your opinion on the topic (and congratulations on the 2000 cake). Amorkuz ☎  21:36, January 2, 2016 (UTC)

Oh, sorry pal wasn't aware of this. Though I agree with you, how about a category for those that sound like the Doctor? =D DENCH-and-PALMER ☎  21:39, January 2, 2016 (UTC)


 * I actually thought about it myself. But I am not brave enough to create categories. I wouldn't at all mind it created. And that's a fitting description of the Silver Doctor. Amorkuz ☎  21:42, January 2, 2016 (UTC)

Would you mind if I created it? I know there are other Sound alikes of the Doctor =D DENCH-and-PALMER ☎  21:44, January 2, 2016 (UTC)
 * I think you should bring this one up in the forums if you really think you have a case for such a category. I think it would fail T:CAT NAME, though. People will use it for any characters voiced by a Doctor actor, rather than for characters explicitly intended to sound like him. And how could you prove that? I'd like to see some of your examples. Remember, there need to be at least 3 pages in a category, and the category name needs to be clear. 00:04, January 3, 2016 (UTC)

Master pic
Absolutely! My only question is, what is the source of the picture? I thought The Sixth Doctor: The Last Adventure didn't have individual episode covers. 21:24, January 3, 2016 (UTC)


 * That's alright. Landscape is strongly preferred, but it can be tricky to achieve with audio images, and the picture won't be in the infobox. Just get as close as you can. 21:57, January 3, 2016 (UTC)

Lego Dimensions image
It's not necessary for the image to show anything from the DWU. That's the cover the makers went with, and we should use it.-- 22:25, January 4, 2016 (UTC)

Use of forums
Hey, could you take a look at T:FORUM and T:DISCUSS?

Tardis Wiki forums are not for general Doctor Who discussion. They're for discussion relating to the editing of this wiki—and only admins may start new threads at The Celestial Toyroom. If you want general Doctor Who discussion, there's plenty of places online to do that. We at Tardis recommend Gallifrey Base. Thank you. :) 20:48, January 5, 2016 (UTC)

Sorry pal, I assumed that's what it was for, sorry for the inconvenience. DENCH-and-PALMER ☎  20:50, January 5, 2016 (UTC)

Image licenses, again
This is a reminder that every single image you upload needs a copyright license. Please go through and add the appropriate licenses to all of the files you've uploaded. If you do not, they will be deleted. 21:37, January 5, 2016 (UTC)

Will do, sorry for the inconvenience P&P DENCH-and-PALMER ☎  21:39, January 5, 2016 (UTC)


 * Go to the file page, "File:Whatever.jpg", and click edit. Then, put the relevant template in the textbox. For most of these, it will be, just like that with the curly brackets. If you need a more specific template, the whole list is at Category:Copyright templates. 21:49, January 5, 2016 (UTC)


 * Yup, just like that. Please make sure there are licenses on all of the files you've uploaded. 22:01, January 5, 2016 (UTC)

New categories
Hey. Please stop creating frivolous categories like Category:Individuals who have been inside the Doctor's TARDIS. Unlike a single page, categories are difficult to clean up, so you have to use discretion when creating them. From now on, if you're going to create a category with more than fifteen members, bring it up on the forums first. 21:31, January 7, 2016 (UTC)

Oh, sorry P&P, I hope I haven't caused any inconvenience, though what about a category, Individuals who have been inside the Doctor's TARDIS but aren't companion? DENCH-and-PALMER ☎  21:34, January 7, 2016 (UTC)

What NOTVALID means
Thanks for your edits around the old "Dr What" comic. Although your work is appreciated, it had to be wholly deleted. See, NOTVALID means that the work can't be used to write in-universe articles, but that is otherwise licensed by the rights holders. For instance, The Curse of Fatal Death can't be used to write in-universe articles, but the BBC produced it. So it can have a page here, as long as the page clearly indicates its invalidity.

Something like "Dr What" is different, though, because it never had BBC approval of any kind. It's not Doctor Who in any sense. It's a parody made without BBC sanction. And we just flat-out don't cover that kinda thing.

Lest you think that we've lost some early bit of important DW history, understand that the definitive work on early comics, The Comic Strip Companion: 1964 – 1979 doesn't mention it at all. I'm afraid you may have been swayed a bit by Altered Vista's overly enthusiastic representation of it. It's really not even a blip on the radar of early DW comics. It's just another in a long line of British parodic pieces that are legal under UK law, but not at all representative of the property they seek to lampoon. 00:22: Fri 08 Jan 2016

Unlicensed images
I asked you multiple times to add licenses to your uploaded images. Because you haven't done so after more than enough time, I'm deleting them pursuant to T:UNLICENSED. 13:12, January 8, 2016 (UTC)