Howling:Could River Song be a Time Lady?

I've been having a discussion with a user on YouTube as to whether River Song could be a Time Lady under the effects of a perception filter and/or a chameleon arch. Their theories are interesting, but I disagree with them. I'm going to ask them to come here and lay out their theories, because I'm interested in what some other fans think, which is why I'm setting up this forum page for them. --The Thirteenth Doctor 09:25, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

In an interview, when he could have refused to answer or just said, "You'll have to watch the show to find out," Steven Moffatt said that River is 100% human and her species isn't what's mysterious about her. 89.242.68.115 06:32, May 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * Actually, I believe he said those two things in two different interviews. But then that just makes your point even better. --99.33.24.89 09:20, May 28, 2011 (UTC)

You might be right, but I remember hearing somewhere online, I cant remember where, that it as confirmed somwhere. I hope that it is just a theory, because it sounds like a pretty dumb plot point, but we'll see either next week, or in a few months.Gowron8472 17:40, May 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * I keep hearing that River's identity has already been spoiled, and from those who said to have read the spoiler regarding her identity, said she is human without actually giving anything important away, which fits with Moffat saying she is 100%, too. At the end of the day, the only reason anyone thought she was a Time Lord was simply because she is mysterious. Nothing else to it. The only reason she is mysterious is due to her being from the Doctor's future (her past being his future, his past being her future). It's a classic example of how every mysterious character introduced to the show is always said to be a Time Lord. 90.199.247.156 03:26, May 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, apparently its been spoiled that River is actually Amy's daughter, which would make her at least half Human, though probably fully Human.Gowron8472 16:57, May 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's been theorised that River's Amy's daughter. It's been theorised that River's all kinds of incompatible things. To qualify as a genuine spoiler, something needs to be (a) actually true and (b) from a source who's in a position to know it's true, not guess it might possibly be. Most so-called spoilers fail both parts of the test. If Steven Moffatt came out and said that River was actually the genetically engineered offspring of the Dalek Emperor and Chancellor Flavia and that was true, it would be a spoiler. If it wasn't true, it would just be another of his misdirections. 78.146.185.15 17:19, May 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's been theorised that River's Amy's daughter. It's been theorised that River's all kinds of incompatible things. To qualify as a genuine spoiler, something needs to be (a) actually true and (b) from a source who's in a position to know it's true, not guess it might possibly be. Most so-called spoilers fail both parts of the test. If Steven Moffatt came out and said that River was actually the genetically engineered offspring of the Dalek Emperor and Chancellor Flavia and that was true, it would be a spoiler. If it wasn't true, it would just be another of his misdirections. 78.146.185.15 17:19, May 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's been theorised that River's Amy's daughter. It's been theorised that River's all kinds of incompatible things. To qualify as a genuine spoiler, something needs to be (a) actually true and (b) from a source who's in a position to know it's true, not guess it might possibly be. Most so-called spoilers fail both parts of the test. If Steven Moffatt came out and said that River was actually the genetically engineered offspring of the Dalek Emperor and Chancellor Flavia and that was true, it would be a spoiler. If it wasn't true, it would just be another of his misdirections. 78.146.185.15 17:19, May 29, 2011 (UTC)

The initial reports were that some fan, visiting the set, had overheard Alex Kingston in character as River calling Karen Gillan in character as Amy, "Mother." Later reports have added her calling Arthur Darvill in character as Rory, "Father." Everything else has been built on that foundation. To me there are the following problems with building anything on that report:
 * 1) The cast members knew there were fans on the set.
 * 2) The cast members are known to have senses of humour. Fairly wicked ones, in several cases.
 * 3) Everyone involved in the show is fully aware of the need to avoid giving away the plot.
 * 4) Even if what was overheard was genuine dialogue from the scripts, calling a couple who have just become parents "Mother" and "Father" isn't especially uncommon and doesn't mean that the speaker means her/his own mother and father.

I've heard (but don't know for sure) that there's a video taken by phone and posted on the Internet that has a clip of one of the "Mother" lines but I've also heard that it's impossible to make out what's being said in it. Frankly, I'd not put any reliance on anything based on such reports. Yes, it's possible someone has hit on the right answer but there's no guarantee.78.146.185.15 18:22, May 29, 2011 (UTC)