Talk:Rusty (Into the Dalek)

Journeys End Dalek
Could this Dalek be from the Series 4 Finale because when Clara is trying to unlock its memories you see him attacking the valiant in The Stolen Earth in a separate scene from the Doctor's Flashback of the very same episode. Lewody1 ☎  22:19, August 30, 2014 (UTC)
 * Possibly but unlikely as if he was, the New Dalek Paradigm would have destroyed him, as they did with the other impure Daleks from Series 4 in Victory of the Daleks. Rusty also sees Bywater's death from Dalek in Series 1 so I think it's more likely that Rusty had access to these memories because of the pathweb shared among all Daleks rather than experiencing the events first-hand.--TheCoud&#39;veBeenKing ☎  09:49, August 31, 2014 (UTC)


 * Ahhh Thanks. I didn't think of that. Lewody1 ☎  12:14, August 31, 2014 (UTC)

To be honest, the new dalek paradigm is very inconsistent with regards to which "impure" daleks are exterminated. A variety of "inferior daleks" survived on the asylum, including classic, special weapons, and (most importantly) "victory" daleks. Though it is most likely that rusty just got his memories from the pathweb, I don't think you can rule out the possibility that he is the dalek from the season 4 finale.. Realistically, the asylum episode kind of threw a wrench into ideas from victory of the daleks by preserving failed daleks instead of exterminating them. Again, I think rusty likely got his memories from the pathweb, I'm probably 80% sure that's what the writers intended, but I don't think anyone can be 100% positive on that. 24.11.137.161talk to me 03:12, September 24, 2014 (UTC)Bill
 * It's very unlikely that the New Dalek Paradigm built the Asylum and put all the different insane Daleks inside, as many of the Daleks housed there took part in events of Dalek history which long pre-dated the existence of the New Dalek Paradigm ("Spiridon, Kembel, Aridius, Vulcan, Exxilon," says Oswin, to name a few). The strong implication is that the Daleks of old, long before the outbreak of the Time War, built the Asylum to preserve failed Daleks, as you say, and future generations of Daleks continued to use it throughout their history. I think it's also worth noting that it was the New Dalek Paradigm and the Parliament of the Daleks that finally made the move to destroy the Asylum.--TheCoud&#39;veBeenKing ☎  10:06, September 28, 2014 (UTC)

New paradigm?
The page lists Rusty as a New Paradigm Dalek but I don't see how this is true. Rusty appears identical to the older gold Time War Daleks. Fraggle ☎  23:40, August 6, 2015 (UTC)


 * The New Dalek Paradigm doesn't mean Daleks have one of the larger Red, Blue, Yellow, Orange or White casings; it means Daleks inside the casing are made from "pure" Dalek DNA (as in, not made from humans, Davros's cells, etc.). A Dalek having a bronze casing doesn't necessarily mean the Dalek it's from the Time War; rather it is just a decision made by the New Dalek Paradigm to continue production of the bronze casing to denote footsoldiers, while the new design introduced in Victory of the Daleks is an officer class. Asylum of the Daleks shows the two Dalek designs coexisting to highlight this point. Victory pretty much made it the case where any Dalek force encountered by the Doctor from that episode on was part of the NDP and not a scattered remnant from the Time War, unless stated otherwise (e.g. as in The Day of the Doctor).--TheCoud&#39;veBeenKing ☎  00:22, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm not necessarily disagreeing, but when you say, "Daleks inside the casing are made from "pure" Dalek DNA", what's your source for that? Because I don't remember that ever being stated in any of the episodes.
 * In the absence of any information, isn't it equally possible that the New Paradigm Daleks are the "new look" ones and they've simply learned to coexist with the "less pure" ones? Fraggle ☎  16:19, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * Evidence of these Daleks being "pure" comes from Victory of the Daleks, Asylum of the Daleks and The Only Good Dalek, all of which have the New Dalek Paradigm destroying or seeking to destroy Daleks they deem impure. The Daleks with bronze casings in Asylum (and other stories), therefore, must be "pure" Daleks, or else they wouldn't be in places like the Dalek Parliament in the first place. Purity aside, no evidence suggests that there are any Time War Daleks left for the NPD to coexist with; the war did bring them to the edge of extinction after all, making it extremely unlikely that the thousands of bronze Daleks from Asylum were all survivors. Granted, evidence can be patchy, or at least not always outright stated, but enough is there to explain the origins of New Paradigm bronze Daleks like Rusty.--TheCoud&#39;veBeenKing ☎  18:26, August 7, 2015 (UTC)