Talk:Alternate timeline (The Name of the Doctor)

Building the page
Currently building the page. Please do not touch.--WarGrowlmon18 ☎  05:22, January 17, 2018 (UTC)

Done now.--WarGrowlmon18 ☎  06:42, January 17, 2018 (UTC)

Speculation
I'm not sure this page passes the wiki's rules about speculation on in-universe pages. Namely, I contest the idea that any in-universe source indicates that the giant TARDIS + battlefield on Trenzalore is an alternate timeline. In fact, if we look at out-of-universe sources, Moffat unequivocally declared that, in keeping with the rules of time travel established in TV: The Angels Take Manhattan, the battlefield, the gigantic TARDIS, and the Doctor's timeline scar thing still exist in Trenzalore's future, even after The Time of the Doctor. In fact, Moffat notably places these words in the Doctor's mouth, not his own, so this might actually count as an in-universe source?

This is an extremely well-written page, and it should definitely be preserved in some form, but I don't think the "alternate timeline" interpretation is based on in-universe evidence. Am I missing anything? – N8 ☎ 18:16, January 17, 2018 (UTC)

I don't get how its supposed to be speculative. In the show it was specifically stated that the Doctor changed the future when he regenerated. I mean there was some serious dialogue about changing the future in Time of and how this was the Doctor's future from that point on Trenzalore and a lot of begging by Clara to change it. She also stated that she saw his eleven faces while in his time stream on Trenzalore and was thus confused when she saw the War Doctor's face. If this is still in the Doctor's future, then why didn't she see the faces of the Twelfth Doctor or the Thirteenth Doctor??? And the entire Trenzalore storyline was centered around the prophecy of The Question which has been resolved. So what possible reason could there be for this to still exist in the Doctor's future aside from out-of-universe information by the writers??? Add that to a behind-the-scenes section if you must but in the show there is nothing to indicate that this is anything more than an alternate timeline. I think when they were dealing with the Fisher King Clara mentioned something about changing the future before and the Doctor called those times them changing possible futures but the thing with the Fisher King was different.--WarGrowlmon18 ☎  21:53, January 17, 2018 (UTC)

Also, Angels was written before Time of. And I don't remember anything in that one that would contradict this being an alternate timeline.--WarGrowlmon18 ☎  21:55, January 17, 2018 (UTC)

Just because the arc has been resolved doesn't mean the tomb can't still exist. The Doctor's still going to die one day, and maybe he just asked to buried on Trenzalore when he did. As for the Clara timeline thing... well... you might have a point there. This may need further discussion. 109.147.248.250talk to me 22:04, January 17, 2018 (UTC)

It was specifically stated that the Doctor died in battle on Trenzalore amongst millions. He wouldn't just be buried there after he eventually dies, that makes no sense. Aside from an out-of-universe explanation by the writer, there's nothing at all in the show to suggest that this timeline still exists aside from Clara's role in the Doctor's life from jumping in but we are never given an explanation for that either. After the Doctor regenerates, everyone in the show treats this as over and done with, an altered possible future.--WarGrowlmon18 ☎  22:08, January 17, 2018 (UTC)