Talk:The Master (The Destination Wars)

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Sure, move this to the Inventor Master. I am 100% okay with this, but I have no interest in making the opening post. Let those who have strong feelings against strike me down! NoNotTheMemes ☎  05:24, 6 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Also agree with moving it to Inventor, as he's only ever referred to as "The Inventor" on other places in the wiki, really. Only issue i see is: Are they ever called the "Inventor Master", or should this page be at "The Inventor"? i don't really mind which, but worth discussing. Cousin Ettolrhc ☎


 * How bout MasTERF?

I didn't want to get involved in this discussion, but it seems like we're on the cusp of setting a risky precedent here: unlike the Saxon Master, whose identity as Harold Saxon is referenced in every single one of his appearances, "inventor" is a discarded alias; in his subsequent appearances he's only called "the Master". The same thought process that leads us to Inventor Master would also lead us to absurdities like Keller Master or The UnBruce.

So unfortunately I have to bring up the fact that the publisher has clearly given him a name: First Master.

"David Richardson explains: “I knew I wanted our scripts to be very authentic to season one of Doctor Who, and that meant having two stories that were sci-fi, and two that were historical. Guy Adams and Andrew Smith pitched ideas that were irresistible – a story about the samurai, and a tale set during the 19th century blizzard in New York: I proposed we introduce the First Master too.”"

- Vortex 106

"And on Saturday, with more Master-ly news, we interviewed James Dreyfus, who plays the first Master in The First Doctor Adventures."

- The Big Finish Roundup

""and with news that Dreyfus’ First Master will be in upcoming Big Finish releases, I can’t wait to hear him again...""

- Official release announcement for The First Doctor Adventures 1

(I recall that there were more statements on Twitter, but understandably Big Finish has scrubbed all mention of Dreyfus from its account.)

Despite there being clear evidence that the First Doctor is neither the Doctor's first incarnation nor the first incarnation to call himself the Doctor, we've always deferred to the BBC's official branding in calling Hartnell's incarnation First Doctor. In cases where no official name has been given, it makes sense to weigh our own invented options, but this just isn't one of those cases. At minimum, the null hypothesis in this discussion should clearly be First Master. – n8 (☎) 15:53, 6 March 2023 (UTC)


 * I'd heard he was originally planned as the first Master, but I never realised they actually gave him full-blown proper-name status. In that case, he should absolutely be moved to First Master - it's demonstrably the only official name the character has ever been given. (Though I would probably resist any conflation of Dreyfus with the William Hughes or Milo Parker versions, at least for now, and say that the lead should also emphasise the Fourth Doctor's guess that he was in his "second or third regeneration".) PintlessMan ☎  17:35, 6 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Yes, I definitely agree with that parenthetical coverage note. First Doctor demonstrates that "First X" could have many possible meanings besides incarnation count. – n8 (☎) 17:49, 6 March 2023 (UTC)