Talk:Toclafane

Source for "Based on V.I.N.C.E.N.T."?
These buggers look nothing like VINCENT. Yeah, they hover around like VINCENT and are round, but VINCENT has more of a distinctive form. If anything, the Toclafane resemble the IT-0 Interrogator droid. What's the source for this VINCENT-based design? VINCENT looks nothing like those glorified Voit basketballs.  Trak Nar  Ramble on 19:12, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Source request
"To survive, the Human race evolved into the Toclafane, their final evolution." The sentence implies that ALL humans in the universe at that time were on the ship towards Utopia and thus all became Toclafane. Doesn't seem to be consistent since the Doctor mentions humans being all over the universe many times (albeit he has never been to the year one hundred trillion, but seems possible other "rogue planets" exist). Also, on the wiki human, the quote: "the last known Humans" implies that there is no conclusive information confirming all humans at that time have become Toclafane.

So could the author of the article or any other expert of the whoniverse cite the source for the claim "the Human race evolved into the Toclafane?" Thanks! 174.31.192.103 10:28, July 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * 1) We believe apes evolved into humans, but apes (at least certain breeds of apes) still exist.

Human race evoving into the Toclafane doesn't necessarily imply that no humanoid humans can exist. Moreover, the word "evolved" used here is not in the sense of a biological evolution as this is a technological advancement. You are free to clarify the wordings, but the current information is not incorrect to the best of our knowledge. --203.168.176.42 15:48, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) The Series explicitly state that these were the last planets, and they were the last known humans. Until new humans are discovered in that time period, this is what we know.
 * Okay, I was going to add to this page about this, but thankfully it's already here. The term "evolution" is used in the wrong context here, there is no "final stage" of evolution and what the Humans of the year 100 trillion wasn't an evolution, it was a replacement. Evolution is a fancy way of saying Adaptation, if the Humans of 100 Trillion "Evolved" they would end up with something that doesn't need heat to survive or can live in a Void without repercussions, because that is the enviroment they are currently living in and environment pushes evolution. By stating that cybernetic replacements are an evolution, you can state the same for Cybermen being an evolution of the Humans of Mondas and Pete's World. Yes, there were factors that spurred technological innovation and a form of technological evolution, but the people were still people before they were "upgraded". The Humans of 100 tillion removed everything but the brain and rudimentary face, they "cannibalised themselves" which is implying that they took only what they thought they needed out of their own bodies-not eating themselves btw-and encased themselves in something that could survive the end of the understandable universe(the idea of flesh and steel surviving the collapse of reality is too far-fetched to take on even in Who)

And Please don't use the "Apes Reference"-its simple, we are an Ape, one branch that broke off from the common ancestor of all Great Apes, it happened around 6 million years ago, they each took a different evolutionary path than we did.Lightningbarer ☎  21:12, April 25, 2014 (UTC)


 * Not sure what some of these points are trying to make, but on this wiki, in universe articles can only use material from stories (see T:NO RW). No matter what happens or what is believed in the real world, if it's not sourced in a DWU story, it doesn't belong on in-universe pages. Shambala108 ☎  02:35, April 26, 2014 (UTC)

Title?
Honestly, if this was Wikipedia then I wouldn't care, but here I do care about the title. Toclafane? Honestly? That's just a name the Master made up. Like the Bogeyman. I am requesting a name change to possibly: Human (Far Future). BroadcastCorp. 08:40, July 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * I disagree, but I do see where you are coming from. The Master gave them the name "Toclafane" becuase he essentially created them. He sent them to "Utopia" where they died and advanced/changed/upgrade etc into the metal spheres. Which were unnamed. Upon his arrival on Earth and the announcement that the Human Race would meet them, he called them the Toclafane, that's why they are called that.


 * The Master just made up the name, like the Doctor said. But is the Doctor not a made up name, is the master not one? They made up their own names. So we change them? No because that's the name we are given in a canon source MM/ Want to talk? 16:33, July 24, 2011 (UTC)


 * But it was a lie, not a title. It was a way for the Humans to not freak out at hearing "here's your greatx100tillion grandson-Human. So I agree with the first post, the title itself was a lie to hurt the Doctor, a way to lull him in and hurt him a lot when he figured it out. Maybe we should call them "Utopians"?Lightningbarer ☎  21:16, April 25, 2014 (UTC)


 * The lead of the article explains the made-up nature of the name, and that is the only name we know them by in an in universe source. Shambala108 ☎  02:37, April 26, 2014 (UTC)