User talk:Tangerineduel

MissUndefinable
I have been recently looking at the Quote of the Week nominations and literally all of them have been placed by MissUndefinable. It clearly states on the page that one user may place one vote only in each section. This user has broken this regulation. I think that you should place some new quote categories so that MissUndefinable's quotes can not be re-used. Thank You. Ghastly9090 15:58, February 7, 2011 (UTC)

Series 7?
Sorry to bother you again, but last night while I was looking through my latest copy of Doctor Who Magazine, I noticed this section in an interview with Mark Gatiss. Here's what it says: Will Mark be writing for the 2012 Series? "They've asked me to, but it all depends on my other commitments..."

I think that is pretty strong confirmation that there will be a Series 7/Series 2/Series 33. I know that you probably already knew there was going to be a Series 7, but doesn't this show that it might just be time to start putting a Series 7 page into production, or maybe you could do it after all Series 6 filming has finished so there isn't confusion over episodes. The quote above is 100% accurate and true. I'm not lying. This isn't a request, just a gentle nugde if you get what I mean. Thanks once again. Ghastly9090 10:57, February 12, 2011 (UTC)

I take it you saw the above message? Ghastly9090 16:29, February 15, 2011 (UTC)

Can you test something for me?
Hey, by now you'll probably have noticed something different when you try to create a new page. I've started adding in a whole fleet of enw preloadable formats. Today, I've gotten around to the more complicated formats for DWA and DWM issues. When you get some free time, could ya kick the tires on the formats for me, and tell me if you'd like anything tweaked about them? I've based both on the most recent issues of the mags. I think the DWM one is pretty solid, cause I'm familiar with that mag, but it's been a while since I've seen an issue of DWA. I think that you'll like that both formats automatically add a lead, fill in most of the infobox, and even automatically add categories and the previous and next issues. I'm a little less sure that I've got the subheads right on the DWA thing. Thanks for any input you can provide on these or really any of the new preloadables.
 * Wow, thanks for the detailed remarks. I've already implemented the more cosmetic things you requested, such as going to "Option 1" and paring down the language so that caps could be both used and grammatically correct.  Both of those were great suggestions that wouldn't have occurred to me.  Now as for the other points:

Stray
Yeah, this is a weird one. The thing is that ultimately the "glowy box thing" will just be hardcoded into the CSS, like it already is at w:c:tardistest:template:Tardis license. If you take a look at that template, you'll see that it really doesn't have much in the way of editable style markup. Roughly, it's just: This is the text in the box. And when we make the shift over to an actual CSS style sheet, MediaWiki:Newarticletext will be similarly restyled. That'll mean a reduction of a div, and therefore that stray div will poof. There's undoubtedly a way to make the stray div poof now, using just regualr wiki markup, but it's a waste of effort, because of what's in the next section.

Namespace specific text for new pages
The points you make about the current text failing to apply to, say, the creation of new talkpages, are of course valid. Phase 2 of the "Newpage Project", for lack of a better term, is newpage text specific to the namespace. Thus, if you're creating a new "Help" page, you'll get different text than if you're creating a new "Category" or "User" page. I've been looking around for a way to do this, and unfortunately I was barking up the wrong tree for a while, which is why we didn't the whole system at once.

The solution, it turns out, is something implemented on the Russian Wikipedia. Basically, when the software calls up newarticletext, that file checks to see what the namespace of the new page is, and then switches to a template appropriate to that namespace. Pretty nifty really. I'm not entirely sure that Wikia's version of MediaWiki will let us change every single namespace's new page message this way — not every namespace seems to call MediaWiki:newarticletext — but for those that do, we'll be able to easily fiddle with things. Thus, once it's all in, I'll definitely be looking to you for some wording. Just to get your mind thinking ahead of time, what would you like to say on a new category page? A new user page? A new Tardis page? A new Help page?

Update: Success!
This now produces a different message for each of the namespaces. Of course, it only produces that specific message if you click on a redlink to create the page. If you choose to create a page through Special:CreatePage, then you just get the standard mainspace (option 1/option 2) thing. Thus, if you choose to "Add a Page" but create a Tardis: page, you're not going to trigger the Tardis:-specific message. But if you were to click on Tardis:Namespace-specific new article messages, you'll see a bare bones namespace-specific message. Now we just have to work on what we want to say for each of these namespaces.

Option 2 worries
Yeah, people could just copy a whole page over into a new page, press publish, and we'd be stuck with two copies of the same articles with different names. I think that the time savings for legitimate edits, though, outweigh the potential for abuse. I know that my personal editing style would be more to go for option 2 than option 1.

Other templates
template:infobox Audiobook has in fact been modified to effectively merge the variables in infobox CD and Audiobook together. It can be used for any kind of audio release, save music. As for other templates that haven't yet been finished, I've dragged a lil on TV story templates of series that aren't pending. They'll be in shortly. The rest, save merchandise and toy, are all done. At the end of the day, I may just eliminate merchandise and toy. Dunno yet.

Spelling
"Website" now corrected; thanks for the catch. (The file, btw, is MediaWiki:Edittools, though it is partially now controlled by changes to common.css.)

Glowy boxes
If you want to create a "glowy box", like is used on edittools and newarticletext, that's now been defined as a CSS element, as it's a major design element at w:c:tardistest, and it'll be the base for all message box templates once this site gets its facelift. Also, these new page templates are going to require that background, and I couldn't be bothered cutting and pasting any more. To use, do this: Your message Which gives: Your message Any text in the box is unstyled by this id, so you'd likely want to add a second, interior div (or span) to give the text some flair. And the box is at 95% width but not automatically centered. Thus if you want to create a box that IS centered, and style the interior text, you'd do something like this:  Warning:  You are about to do something naughty. Which yields:  Warning:  You are about to do something naughty.

Infoboxen
The thing I'm finding after having gone through the process of making up this preloadable formats, and thereby scouring category:infoboxes, is that we have an awful lot of duplication. The difference between audiobook, CD and audio story was minute. There's no reason to have three different infoboxen there. Same thing's true of the various ones we have for television episodes, prose works, and comic stuff. We could cut the number of infoboxen in half and not blink an eye. And, ultimately, this will happen. All the infoboxen will have to be reformatted when the site gets its facelift, and at that point you're likely to see a massive winnowing. And at that point, it will probably be very much appropriate to make very simple, basic template names, like infobox audio. But we won't want to delete any of the pre-existing names, like infobox audiobook. We'll just convert them to redirects, so that the transition is fairly seamless. It's kind of a waste of bot energy, when a single redirect does the same thing. You can already kind of see the coding approach at template:infobox Audiobook. If you look at the guts of it and notice what's going on with the "name" variable, you see that the template allows that variable to be either "name" or "audiobook name", which means it still works on audiobook pages, but now accepts the "name" variable common to infobox CD. (I gotta say, though, I don't understand why a different name for the variable would have been employed in the first place. "Name" should've been kept standard to any infobox.  Who knows, though, maybe I did this unique variable name thing on some of the infoboxen I designed.  It's gotta stop, though.  Users should know that there are some variable names that are standard, "name" being at the top of the list.)

New page text
These are all going to be in category:newpage message templates for you to peruse and change as I add them.

Time Field
Can we please move Time Field to Crack or something? Nobody is going to go searching for "Time Field", and as far as I can remember "Time Field" was only said once or twice in the whole series. Everybody calls this story arc "the cracks", not "the Time Field". Just a thought :-) --The Traveller 14:15, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

What the hell has happened to your talk page?
Where did all the previous questions/answers go? What the...? What happened? 90.215.45.50 21:59, February 16, 2011 (UTC)

Doug86
Doug86 is an admin but I strongly think he should be dropped back from the admins list. Looking at his talk page, I have found lots of complaints about his edits and he never ever even replies to any of his messages, and that's why I think he shouldn't be an admin. 90.215.45.50 13:33, February 18, 2011 (UTC)

Update on new [ns] page text
Work is continuing apace on the various templates that now appear at the top of the page when you want to start new pages in the various namespaces. You may have noticed in some cases that persistent odd , but this problem has now been solved, as can be observed if you. Sorry to have kept the wiki in limbo on this issue for longer than I imagined; for some reason I caught the fever to write articles about all things Australian for the past day. Should have completed putting up preliminary text up by either the end of Saturday or maybe Sunday morning your time.

BTW, I did like your proof of concept on the DWM cover organization dealio.
 * Your rewording request on newtemplatetext implemented.
 * Definitely need your eyes at newtardistext.

Australia
Well, I know. I was fascinated, too. In a way, it's only about a few pages in Invasion of the Cat-People, where Gary Russell decides to write a fairly dull travelogue (oh, wait, it's Gary Russell, of course it's dull writing), but still it's interesting the degree to which there is coverage of Australia in DW fiction. I mean, Three kept coming back for more in his comic strips. Countdown in particular loved sending him to Oz — I think two or three times in the space of about a year. He's certainly the Doctor with the most trips to Oz, which maybe makes sense cause he was on Earth for so long. But you still wouldn't immediately have that at the tip of your brain. I think it's fascinating the degree to which other media lets the Doctor go to both Australia and America, when we tend to think of the Doctor being so incredibly wed to England (not even Britain, but England).

Edit to Azes13's Talk Page is mistaken

 * Note: I had to rollback this user's contributions to your page, as he/she destroyed it. The following is an exact copy of their last substantive edit to your page. 
 * Why the hell has CzechOut put the above message there?
 * Why the hell has CzechOut put the above message there?

I have not edited Azes 13's talk page ever so I don't know why you randomly came up with that, but I'm sure there's a logical explanation. User:90.215.45.50 17:02, February 18, 2011 (UTC)

Update
Your concerns about MediaWiki:Edittools saying "if you're uploading a pic blah blah" on every page have now been addressed. Edittools completely changes for Special:Upload and Special:MultipleUpload so that it's no longer necessary to have the license warning on every single edit page. Let me know if you think the version on the upload pages is too bare bones. Might have to do some tweaking on the main edittools text; it looks a little weird to my eye now. Too much whitespace at the top or something.

The new[ns]text pages have now all been completed. Peruse/change at your leisure — but at least now there's something on each type of new page.

homepage
hi how do you make your homepage hidden --leon norman 22:41, February 19, 2011 (UTC)

The Thirteenth Doctor 21:57, February 20, 2011 (UTC)#

Why should I know?
I know about the User Conribs page. Anyway, I obviously don't like Doug86 so I did that on Azes13's talk page, I admit, but, How was I to know that that was vandalism when I have only been editing on this wiki for a month and 14 days? 90.215.45.50 16:33, February 21, 2011 (UTC)

admin
can you make me an admin and come and join my wikia at http://classicnewdoctorwho.wikia.com --leon norman 19:20, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

Wikia lies
About that 'Anyone can edit' motto sort of thing from wikia, not anyone can edit. For instance, there are a lot of pages we anon users cannot edit so the 'Anyone can edit' slogan is a big fat black lie. Just saying. 90.215.45.50 20:11, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

pictures
you know when you add a picture on here youve got a liscense how did you create new liscenses like dwm magazine issues if you get what i mean

qotw and other stuff
Hey, I'm sorry I've not been in touch the past day or so.
 * Glad you liked qotw. I should've done it for you a lot earlier.  Poor guy.  You've been unnecessarily sloggin' through that copy and past schtick for years now when you really didn't have to.  As for first or second person in the "voice" of the message box, I dunno, I went for second, cause I saw you doing second.  I figured it just sounded more like what you'd been doing.  So you'll see auto-generated phrases like "your quote should ..." and the like throughout.  Feel free to change the language to fit your own voice better.
 * Oh, btw, wanted to offer you another bit of helpful code for QOTW matters. Did you know that we could knock up a very easy automated system?  It's so simple:


 * Literally, that's it. You could effectively change the whole way you did quotes with this.  You start the year with 10 quotes left over from the previous year.  That gives you a cushion. You throw out 20 broad topics in January, then wait for people to populate those requests.  At about the time the Doctor Who series starts in the spring, you "harvest" the quote page for the next few months.  With any luck, you'll get 42 quotes at that point, and then you'll never have to mess with QOTW until the end of the year.  At that point, you'd have all the quotes in one place, and you could just send them off to archive without having to do all that cutting and pasting.  So basically you interact with quotes a three or four times a year, not every week.  Lemme know if you'd like to implement this.


 * In response to a rather cryptic message at Forum:Rumours on the loose, I took a look at tardis:spoiler policy and noticed it was maybe not specific enough to help User:Ghastly9090 combat an influx of rumors on series 6 (Doctor Who). Thus, I beefed up the language on the page and gave a detailed example of proper sourcing at the various stages of a rumor's life.  Please take a look when you get a chance to see if you have problems with the amplification of the basic policy.
 * How do you think I should handle the visual changeover that drove me to seek adminship in the first place? Do I ask for a community vote of every single point of the design at w:c:tardistest?  Do I bring it in one major feature at a time?  Or do I say, look at this overall design; are you mostly in favor of it or not?  Or do I just bring it in without discussion and say, "Look if you've got specific problems with this, please let me know on the forums?"  I've kinda gotten off the rails on that major project, but it's late February now and there's not much time before the new series starts.  I really need to be gettin' on with the implementation, but it's so major a change I'm honestly not sure of the best way to go about getting basic community assent.
 * I know you had a specific objection to the design of the transparent background. But remember I put the Baker vortex design up specifically to highlight what the background could do.  That's not the design I'm saying should ultimately be there, nor do I think it should always be one design.  I think it should a) change seasonally and b) largely concentrate on images that are on either side of the main text area.  For me, the interesting thing about the feature is not that you can see through the text area, but that it doesn't move when you scroll.  That means you can create a design that's relatively short and it won't scroll away when you scroll down.  So let's say we wanted to put up a little strip of Gallifreyan writing across the top.  It would always be across the top.  I also made another test background where I had a couple of Yeti peeking out from behind the text area.  That was fun.  We could certainly have "character" backgrounds like too.  Or a background where photos were pinned to the sides of the screen.  Or one where we have the Doctor in profile on one side, and Amy in profile on the other.   Or one dominated by roundels. There are a lot of possibilities for it.  Don't prejudge it by the test pattern :)