Talk:Dalek

Vehicle?
Why is "Dalek" under Category:Vehicles? Is it because it serves as a vehicle to the Kaled mutants? I didn't touch it because the category's involved in the Game of Rassilon, but can someone explain why? Thanks. --SOTO ☎ 03:18, March 29, 2013 (UTC)


 * I know that in Genesis of the Daleks, Davros refers to them as "Mark III travel machines," perhaps that's why the category was added? TARDIStraveler ☎  11:58, March 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, what TT said. Also, the casing regularly conveyed people in 1960s serials. I mean technically it's the casing that's the vehicle, but we don't really have an article for that.  22:07: Fri 31 Jan 2014

First time the Doctor saw the Daleks
Is there no scope for putting in the first time the Doctor saw the Daleks outside of its casing in The Daleks Master Plan.
 * Well, no, cause that's not the first time the Doctor saw the Kaled at the interior. That happened in the middle of serial B.  22:07: Fri 31 Jan 2014

The Dalek That Time Forgot
On YouTube you can find a story called The Dalek That Time Forgot. It's about Dalek Caan travelling to the future, meeting the New Dalek Paradigm who orders him back in time to safe Skaro. When this is done they order him to safe Davros from the Time War, and gives him the power to see all of time and space. Is this a legit story to feature on the Wikia, or is this fan-made stuff? --DCLM ☎  19:52, November 13, 2014 (UTC)

Replace infobox image
Hello all. First discussion post here, so please let me know if I'm missing something important (formatting for the discussion, etc.).

I'd like to propose a change of the infobox image for the Dalek article. As far as I can tell, the current image (an altered clip from one of the comic book stories), was established by a consensus discussion back in 2011 or 2012. Time for a change? My opinion supporting replacement: Doctor Who is primarily a television show. Has been for decades. Most people know it as such. The comics are quite obscure to the average newcomer to DWU, and perhaps a significant portion of fans. While it's fun to put a comic image to show off how this project accepts all the material as canon, and to draw attention to the spin-off stories, I do still believe it is quite forced. I found the excellent image below from an old discussion thread, and strongly believes it does the Daleks more justice as they are known to most visitors and fans throughout the generations. Blue Rook ☎  21:56, November 24, 2014 (UTC)



For
For the reasons described above. Blue Rook ☎  21:56, November 24, 2014 (UTC)

Against
That image should not be used. It's clustered and unhelpful. Doctor Who is better known as a television show, but we cover all mediums equally - to change it on that basis would a betrayal of our own ideals. The current image isn't forced; it suits our needs perfectly. It shows different types of Daleks and is timeless, none of this "they're not the latest model" crap. Most importantly, it's incisive, which the image you have proposed is certainly not. I'm against changing it at all though, unless a particularly fantastic image surfaces that has merit in areas other than its medium.-- 22:23, November 24, 2014 (UTC)
 * Many thanks for calling my recommendation "crap". Also I appreciate that you so quickly proved that the giant "Keep your cool" warning emblazoned across the edit screen does not apply to the sysops at this wiki. Blue Rook ☎  02:15, November 25, 2014 (UTC)

Interesting. I provided legitimate reasons why we shouldn't change the image, and instead of rebutting them, you're fabricating a personal attack. I said that choosing an image because it shows the latest Dalek is crap, which is not an argument you made, just a regular one. As for keeping cool, I don't think I became heated, unless you think the word crap is particularly forceful. I can only imagine this is a reaction to me shooting your proposition down, but I would appreciate it if you didn't falsely accuse me again. Thanks-- 09:28, November 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * Both your replies are deeply confusing. Very few people would advise using the word "crap" when rebutting a civilized argument put forward for a change. It's not "forceful", it's insulting. I did not bother putting forward any specific rebuttals then, because in my experience there is no point trying to hold a discussion with someone whose replies are so ridiculing and defensive. I didn't "fabricate" anything, and there are no false accusations: when you throw a pejorative in, everything turns to mud. Worse is when you inserted what can reasonably be interpreted as a thinly-veiled threat: "I would appreciate it if you didn't falsely accuse me again". It is my opinion that that statement was a threat, and I would never conduct myself with statements like that to a civilized newcomer at my wiki. And if I did, I would apologize quite thoroughly (and not with a non-apology apology) in very short order, when I'd realize how ridiculing, defensive, and threatening it came off.
 * You have made it clear that changing this image on account of any medium discussion "would a betrayal of our own ideals". Since my proposal was primarily based on the medium, well, there's not much room for rebuttals anyway, then. I had no desire to rend asunder the underlying fabric of this project! 8)~ If you care about rebuttals at this point, though: I could not disagree more that a cropped image from a comic book is "timeless" when representing a fictional race known to the world almost exclusively from the medium of television. More broadly speaking, with respect to the exceptional comics that exist (Fables, Watchmen, etc.), "timeless" does not apply to comic books in general. They are quite fleeting. The images within them more so. And even doubly so when they are spin-off material from another medium. This is why I find it forced. Blue Rook ☎  17:05, November 25, 2014 (UTC)

Well, I've made my statement where the image is concerned and I'll leave further discussion to other parties, but I will reply to the points on your talk page. One thing I would like to say here, for other users to see, is that I was not threatening you.-- 19:04, November 25, 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi :) Thanks for you suggestion, Blue Rook. I'd like to move the discussion back to the substance of whether and how to change the infobox image on this page, if I may.


 * It is a truism of older wikis that new users don't have knowledge of the various discussions that have come before, and so can sometimes suggest things that have already been mooted by the community in the past. And that's what you're running into now. We have long ago moved away from the  "collage" approach for characters/species with multiple (that is, more than 2) distinctive looks. On that basis alone, your proposal is disallowed.


 * However, it's worth pointing out that your specific suggestion has also already been suggested, and defeated. This image that you're proposing dates from 2011. Please see Talk:Dalek/Archive 2.  Since the specific suggestion has already failed, and since the current infobox picture derives from a decent amount of discussion, it will remain.  If you'd like to talk about it further, Blue Rook, I'm happy to entertain a few more questions on my talk page.  But as we've already had this specific discussion before as a community, I'm going to ask you to please drop further discussion here.   19:31: Tue 25 Nov 2014
 * Alrighty, I will put forward different ideas for a new image (unrelated to any medium discussion) here, and keep the other discussions to the User Talk pages. Blue Rook ☎  20:40, November 26, 2014 (UTC)

New Infobox suggestion
Years ago we attempted to have a discussion on the infobox image for this page. At the time, I recall, there was great debate over weather the main infobox image should feature the original 60s Daleks, the RTD era Daleks, or the Moffat Skittles Daleks (I'm not knocking them, it's just that's a way to identify them that everyone gets). At the time, it was suggested by Czech to instead go with a different option -- that of an image from the TVC comics. That's worked wonderfully for a time, and I personally have been very happy with it. However, I wonder that now that we have a story which actually attempts to incorporate most of the Dalek designs (other than the Skittles and the 70s ironically). I would say that, since time has changed and we are a different community in size and thought, that there could be a compromise to be found on the issue now. Look at the image to the right, for instance, which shows both the 60s Dalek up front and the iconic War Dalek in back. Seems too good to be true, doesn't it? I would argue that the most consistently used Dalek (RTD) next to the most "throw-backy" Dalek we can go for is a fine compromise.

Of coarse I understand that the few do not like repeated discussions, and thus this might be shut down without consensus without anyone actually pitching it. If so, sorry for the bother; carry on. OS25 (talk to me, baby.) 22:51, September 27, 2015 (UTC)