Talk:The Snowmen (TV story)

TARDIS prop
Was It just me, or was the tardis prop used in the episode the 9th/10th doctors with a saint john's ambulance logo?. It even made the same creaking noise when he opened the door.


 * I think it's always been essentially the same prop for the modern series. They just spruced it up with a new, brighter blue coat of paint and added the St. John's Ambulance badge for the Eleventh Doctor. The creak is a sound effect; if it disappeared for a while, that just suggests that when the TARDIS "regenerated" in The Eleventh Hour it managed to oil the door, and now the squeak has returned. — Josiah Rowe ☎  04:23, December 26, 2012 (UTC)

Great Intelligence
Just a question (and forgive me, I am new to this)... is the mention of Great Intelligence an error? I do not think its the same "Great Intelligence" as the one with the Yeti... (Of course I am watching now, so I could be wrong). I just want to make sure the reference matches up. Thanks. Hotshot70 ☎  05:45, December 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * It seems to be intended to be the same - note the reference to the London underground in 1967. -- Beardouk ☎  06:31, December 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * This image (a little more visible when clicked on) probably helps things, too. -- Tybort (talk page) 12:39, December 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * It is indeed the same Great Intelligence. 78.8.184.207talk to me 12:55, December 26, 2012 (UTC)

What I can't understand is whether or not the Intelligence's appearance in The Snowmen, as well as its statement that it is a dream that has outlived the dreamer, means that the Great Intelligence was actually born of Simeon's dark thoughts when he poured them into the telepathic snow (contrary to the Virgin Missing Adventures series backstory for the Intelligence as being an entity from the universe before the Doctor's), or that the Intelligence was just pretending to be a reflection of Simeon's darkness or something. TroopDude ☎  20:40, December 31, 2012 (UTC)

Cultural Reference
There is a traditional form of theatre at Christmas in the UK called pantomime. One of the stories is called Jack and The Beanstalk. Jack climbs a majic beanstalk and finds the castle of a giant at the top. The spiral stair with the Tardis on a cloud at the top reminds me of that.

Stairs
Notice how at a point near the clouds, the stair rotation flips? going up, at first clara goes up and to the right, but when she reaches a certain point, suddenly its up and to the left - noticable especially in the shot showing Clara and the Doctor going up and to their left, versus the ice governor at the bottom of the shot. The first wide-shot of the stairs when clara first ascends it, there's an obvious point where they've done the mirror. wots that about? edit: woops, forgot wavy lines. AlexMcpherson ☎  06:01, December 29, 2012 (UTC)

Digby
Possible thing. Digby here would be what, in his fifties during the events of The Doctor, The Widow and The Wardrobe. (1892 to 1941 - 49 years.) And that episode's location (on the 1941 side) is an "Uncle Digby's" house. Second christmas special in a row, but only a coincidence? I think not. -AlexMcpherson ☎  06:01, December 29, 2012 (UTC)

Named After "The Snowman"
I just want to clarify, did Moffat ever name "The Snowman" in an interview as the episode's namesake? Or is it just fan speculation based on the fact that the other two Moffat Christmas specials were obviously named after "A Christmas Carol," and "The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe," respectively? SmallerOnTheOutside ☎  19:39, December 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * Personally, I thought it was named after The Abominable Snowmen, the first story the Great Intelligence appeared in. Shambala108 ☎  20:22, December 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * Same. I'm the one who asked the question, by the way. The episode has absolutely no link to The Snowman except a completely unrelated but randomly similar title. SmallerOnTheOutside ☎  20:31, December 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * For each of Moffat's previous Christmas specials, the plot is loosely similar to the original work that it is named after. I know absolutely nothing about "The Snowman", but if its plot is even remotely similar to The Snowmen, then you could make an argument for it. Shambala108 ☎  21:35, December 29, 2012 (UTC)

CONTINUITY ERROR
When Clare first walks up the staircase to the Tardis the is clockwise, when she gets hear the top it's anti-clockwise. The same issue when she runs back down the staircase after walking around the Tardis.