Board Thread:Inclusion debates/@comment-31010985-20190928203157/@comment-6032121-20191011091746

User:Amorkuz: I do not deny that what I called your "narrow legalese definition" is what an official publishing company's lawyer would give as the definition. I am simply arguing that that is not the definition we should care about.

As for the "fanfiction" argument, User:Bwburke94 has hit the nail on the head: why do we reject "fanfiction"? Why does T:NO FANFIC exist? Because of Rule 2. Because the fear is that it's unlicensed. If there is another hidden reason not mentioned in policy why "fanfiction" isn't valid, I or anyone else have yet to hear of it. As I understand it, T:NO FANFIC is a strongly-worded clarification of a special case of Rule 2, not a restriction of its own; if it were it really ought to be put on T:VS as Rule 5. Except, why would we want to do that? If by some twist of fate something that would fall under a certain definition of "fanfiction" actually otherwise passes the 4 Little Rules, why would we not want to cover it?

Plus, you don't seem to follow your "if we follow one definition we have to follow the other" to its logical conclusion. If one cannot rely on the dictionary definition of "publisher" without also accepting the dictionary definition of "fanfiction", then the reverse ought to hold: you can only try to argue that the stories are invalid based on T:NO FANFIC for being fanfiction if you also accept the non-legalese definition of "publisher". And if you accept said non-legalese definition, then the stories are no longer "posted by a fan", they are released by a publisher.

Also also, if one is relying on this dictionary definition, then "on the Internet" is a necessary component of fanfiction, so do you still have any objections to the printed version sold at conventions and/or a proposed Amazon-aided release? Those objections can no longer be on the basis of T:NO FANFIC.

Also also also, Shambala above wants to hear from the other two admins who made the decision with you, could you kindly give us their name and/or notify them on their talk page we have been asking for this for ages.