Category talk:Doctor Who (N-Space) fans

Frivolous Category?
Policy is not to over-categorise with frivolous categories, which I think categories for people who like specific media is. -- Saxon (✉️) 21:52, October 4, 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm going off the precedent set by Category:Professor X fans, Category:Doctor Who (N-Space) crew, Category:Doctor Who (N-Space) cast, etc. Epsilon  (Contact me) 21:55, October 4, 2020 (UTC)
 * Given the unique status of Doctor Who (N-Space) within the Whoniverse and how interesting references to it tend to be, I don't think this can be considered frivolous. It's more about how certain people are interacting with a very interesting phenomena that's popped up in-universe. Najawin ☎  21:59, October 4, 2020 (UTC)
 * Surely they'll all be on the Doctor Who (N-Space) page, anyway. -- Saxon (✉️) 22:00, October 4, 2020 (UTC)
 * That can be said for literally hundreds of categories, e.g.: every entry in Category:Companions of the Doctor. Epsilon  (Contact me) 22:05, October 4, 2020 (UTC)

Library is an article in the style of listing off various libraries found in Category:Libraries and archives. It doesn't get all of them, and there's still the archive part of the category, but I attribute this to the article not being complete. Should we delete the category because the two pages handle it properly? Or, rather, handle it properly were they to be filled out properly? Najawin ☎  22:09, October 4, 2020 (UTC)
 * I've gone ahead and made a discussion which I'm afraid I don't know how to link to because of the changes to the forums since my complaint isn't related solely to this page. -- Saxon (✉️) 22:13, October 4, 2020 (UTC)

That thread's not going to get off the ground until we resolve the forum issues. Najawin ☎  22:15, October 4, 2020 (UTC)
 * There are many companions and many libraries. It is quite different to categorise people based on what television shows and books they read. -- Saxon (✉️) 22:21, October 4, 2020 (UTC)
 * Speaking of "frivolous" categories, we have a category for residents of Bannerman Road, but we're not going to delete that, are we? Like Najawin said above, it's a unique thing, and should be documented. Epsilon  (Contact me) 22:25, October 4, 2020 (UTC)
 * Documented, yes. However, I don't think whether or not a character has watched Professor X, Doctor Who or Iris Wildthyme deserves a category. Should we also create ones for fans of Eastenders, Star Wars and Scooby-Doo? -- Saxon (✉️) 22:28, October 4, 2020 (UTC)

Ah, but but we have a category for Scooby-Doo fans. Joking aside, the difference is the interesting meta-textual place the things we're talking about live inside of within the DWU. Something that doesn't apply to the things you're mentioning. Najawin ☎  22:31, October 4, 2020 (UTC)
 * Three things:
 * First of all, this category was never intended for anybody who had watched the show. If that was the case, this category would be called Category:Individuals who have acknowledged the existence of Doctor Who (N-Space). It's for characters who are fans of the show, hence the title.
 * Secondly, yes, I personally think we should have categories for character's individual interests. It's equally as useful as many other categories.
 * Thirdly, we have Category:Science fiction fans, which is vastly broader than any of these categories being discussed! I don't see that category being questioned! Epsilon  (Contact me) 22:35, October 4, 2020 (UTC)
 * Thirdly, we have Category:Science fiction fans, which is vastly broader than any of these categories being discussed! I don't see that category being questioned! Epsilon</tt>  (Contact me</tt>) 22:35, October 4, 2020 (UTC)
 * Thirdly, we have Category:Science fiction fans, which is vastly broader than any of these categories being discussed! I don't see that category being questioned! Epsilon</tt>  (Contact me</tt>) 22:35, October 4, 2020 (UTC)


 * I guess we have to wait to see what other people think, but I personally think categories like these are no more necessary than ones for people who enjoy tea. I can see how Najawin might have a point but I do think categories like these open the floodgates for further ones that, as Tardis:Don't over-categorise says, "focus on minor details or are otherwise frivolous". -- Saxon (✉️) 22:47, October 4, 2020 (UTC)
 * Counter-arguement: Tea is a massively more widespread commodity than the in-universe Doctor Who TV show.
 * Imagine you're a new user, who, lets say, clicked on Petronella Osgood, scrolled to the bottom, and clicked on the category. The information presented would likely be enough to pique their interest to read more obscure articles.
 * Secondly, I hardly think the in-universe Doctor Who series, and associated individuals, is hardly a minor detail. Epsilon</tt>  (Contact me</tt>) 22:54, October 4, 2020 (UTC)


 * Addressing your bold and italic addition to the page, what does it mean "to have expressed a great enough interest in the Doctor Who series to be called fans"? How do you measure that? Two unnamed characters said that Paul McGann was fit and we classify them as fans?
 * Anyway, we clearly aren't agreeing on this matter so, as I said, we should wait to see what other people (namely an admin) think. I certainly think that Category:Iris Wildthyme fans has less merit than this page and ought to have left my message on there, really. -- Saxon (✉️) 23:03, October 4, 2020 (UTC)
 * Those two unnamed characters expressed enough interest in Paul McGann, at least, for the desire for coitus with said character could be enough evidence that they're fans. Granted, their status as fans might not be the strongest, but that's irrelevant.
 * With the Iris Wildthyme category, there are characters from From Wildthyme with Love and The Magrs Conundrum! that I've yet to add to the wiki, but once I do, they'll be going in that category. I think the category has enough purpose to exist. Epsilon</tt>  (Contact me</tt>) 23:13, October 4, 2020 (UTC)
 * Plenty of people have opinions on Doctors in the UK without being a Doctor Who fan. -- Saxon (✉️) 23:18, October 4, 2020 (UTC)
 * Fine, remove Older man (Hospitality) and Boy 1 (Hospitality), but that doesn't mean the entire category should be deleted. Paul Magrs (Bafflement and Devotion), Petronella Osgood, and David Karpagnon are clearly fans. Epsilon</tt>  (Contact me</tt>) 23:23, October 4, 2020 (UTC)
 * And today, a new webcast was released, where Emily Cook played a Doctor Who fan, and this category was perfect for that character. Epsilon</tt>  📯 📂 02:32, November 15, 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay, even though I support the existence of the category, merely saying that a new character neatly fit into the category is not itself evidence for keeping the category. It doesn't establish that such a thing isn't marginal or frivolous, even if more peopl e meet this allegedly marginal or frivolous criteria. Najawin ☎  03:29, November 15, 2020 (UTC)
 * Fair doos, you have a point. Epsilon</tt>  📯 📂 03:39, November 15, 2020 (UTC)


 * Can we get an update on whether or not this category should be deleted? As I've said, it has a lot of merit, as well as being integrated into, so its deletion wouldn't be favorable. 📯 📂 20:16, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Seriously, can this topic be closed please? 📯 📂 15:26, 2 November 2021 (UTC)


 * I'm a bit late to the main discussion but I'm of the opinion that this category should be kept. It has a decent amount of pages in it and is just plain interesting. Bongo50 (aka Bongolium500) ☎  20:41, 5 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Since the template's still here, I'd like to voice my support for the category as well. Cookieboy 2005 ☎  20:20, 3 June 2022 (UTC)


 * This category seems to be supported by consensus; I'm removing the template. Even the primary detractor acknowledged: "I can see how Najawin might have a point but I do think categories like these open the floodgates for further ones…". And that is a fair concern, but can be effectively dealt with by deleting the actually frivolous categories if someone tries to create them. Since the present category will remain, not on its own merits alone, but as the specific conclusion of this discussion, it should be clear in terms of precedent that edge-cases like this need discussing, rather than having an unbounded right to exist.


 * Additionally, as was mentioned early on, this category should be monitored closely to avoid categorising anyone who's ever watched the series as a "fan". Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 11:48, 5 August 2022 (UTC)