User:SOTO/Forum Archive/Tales from the Tardis/@comment-188432-20130325173913/@comment-55646-20130413131331

User:SOTO/Forum Archive/Tales from the Tardis/@comment-188432-20130325173913/@comment-55646-20130413131331 CzechOut wrote: If we allow it, then we have to say that narrative must be considered in inclusion debates. And that's what we've — and I do think I include you in this — have been trying to weed out of the inclusion debate process. I just don't see how inclusion debates can function in future if we say, "Yeah, Big Finish gave very strong and really quite clear indication that they didn't view Vienna as part of the DWU from an out-of-universe perspective, but because they left this little, tiny crack open narratively, we're gonna go ahead and let it in."

This is a mischaracterization of the point of view of those who think it is part of the DWU. The people who have a contrary view are not being irrational in the face of clear evidence. They disagree that the evidence is clear. I don't know your position in terms of the hierarchy of the wiki, but I don't think the bar is whether you believe it, CzechOut. Forgive me if I'm mistaken.

Incidentally, I haven't listened to The Shadow Heart yet either, so I couldn't say whether there are in-story reasons to believe that it takes place in an alternate reality from the rest of the universe, but if you are going to use that as a new argument, you should be able to justify it other than by a creator's statement. And if Burning Prince and Acheron Pulse are storywise connected to Shadow Heart, then they should be treated as extra-dimensional as well.