User:SOTO/Forum Archive/Inclusion debates/@comment-28349479-20161216221639/@comment-28349479-20161217041953

In regards to the Faction Paradox Wiki: I don't know if I've met a single FP fan who was involved with the franchise before Obverse got the rights. It used to be unknown on Reddit and Tumblr; now there's consistent, almost daily discussion between many users. So if the fanbase has grown so much, why have there been fewer than twenty-five edits on the Faction Paradox Wiki in the last year?!? Definitely not what you'd expect from a series whose first book is a literal encyclopedia!

I know why I don't use it more, and what I've heard from other fans backs me up: the wiki is fundamentally broken. It's filled with stubs and empty articles, and it's marred by vandalism that stays up for years. It's painfully obvious that many articles were (unnecessarily) lifted from the Tardis Wiki wholesale, leaving broken templates and formatting. And all this is introduced to the world by an uneditable graphic that's years out of date. Most of these things are fixable, but the fans I've talked to don't want to even try because they all agree that the very existence of a FP Wiki separate from the one that houses Doctor Who, Iris Wildthyme, and Bernice Summerfield is completely pointless. Here, the authors, fans, publishers, and stories themselves all agree: Faction Paradox is a part of the Doctor Who universe, and, as Fwhiffahder has pointed out, it suffers from the removal of that context.

(As does our wiki, I might add. Isn't it kind of ridiculous that our page for the War has survived this long without any link at all to the FP Wiki page about the Second War in Heaven?)

The fact is, in terms of sheer material, there aren't terribly many articles on the FP Wiki, and the vast majority are either integrable into existing Tardis Wiki articles or just completely unnecessary. Unlike the Sarah-Jane Adventures Wiki, the FP one is run by a Tardis admin, so it’d be super easy to transfer over the material (along the lines of what Fwhiffahder proposed) and shut it down. I myself would be more than willing to spearhead this effort, and I know several fans who have expressed willingness to help out, both in and out of this thread, so it's completely achievable. (This isn't just some hypothetical discussion that will end in no action; we're all waiting to write articles upon the admins' go-ahead.) If the rule change is approved soon, I expect the move will be completely finished well before the premiere of Series 10.

However, first we need to get to the bottom of whether Faction Paradox belongs. I think I've demonstrated pretty thoroughly in the OP how it doesn't violate the four little rules, but I'd be very curious to hear any new or unaddressed arguments against FP's membership in the DWU.