User:SOTO/Forum Archive/Tales from the Tardis/@comment-188432-20140327234318/@comment-178.0.193.172-20150309001653

Was is necessary to provoke this hatefest? Can't we all get along?

Neither deserves any of the gall and hate here. Hhow anyone can claim the "no personality" cannard after the wealth of information we got in her first four eps alone boggles my mind. She's one of the more complex and mesmerizing female characters to come out of fiction lately just don't expect to be spoonfed I don't thing the love thing is debatable after she outright referred to our dear protagonist as *husband material* in "Last Christmas".

As for Rose... I don't buy this about her being oh so jealous, she was a bit insecure because she wasn't as educated as Reinette/Sarah Jane etc but she grew to respect both of them within minutes (Particularly Sarah was just two fierce spunky personalities colliding the wrong way, they soon realized they actually had alot in common and got along just fine) orthe Mickey thing - she broke up with him on the spot, kay, but that's a part of life in your 20ies, and if you react fundamentally different to a question like "Wanna go to space?" You're probably not meant for each other. She was a changed person and met many people who appreciated her (Jack, Adam... while soe sparks were there, she didn't fully consider the Doctor until she learned that interpecies couples are quite common by Jack's time) after spending her life thinking she was a dropout. She never gave him any hopes, at very least by "Boom Town" she clearly stated that Mickey deserved better than to wait forher and that she didn't want him to, either. All their interactions afterwards were as friends. When Mickey came along in s8, it wasn't to win a girl like they're prizes, but to prove and improve himself as a person. He saved their butts from the cybermen, too.

She acts like a - all in all very empathetic and humble (which doesn't equal doormat in the 21st century. ) - realistic 19 year old and I don't see how rolling her eyes now and then like a realistic person with feelings makes her a needy clingy bitch. (Same for Martha, btw. ) And the "So..." thing is something that just gets out of context. She isn't actually suggesting they destroy the universe, she's expressing her frustration at the unfairness of their situation. Just look at her expression and tone of voice; It's a basic dialogue trope.

Then again, there are those Rose fans who hype her up to no end and complain that they aren't bringing her back despite the infeasebility of the actor logistics, or how she's mentioned slightly less than every 10 mins these days; And basically trumpet her superiority over all other companions. Obviously she was an important person in his life that he'll never forget no matter how brief their time together was, but there were others who were also important to him, too. Friends, co-workers, partners-in-crime, family members both biological and chosen, and yes, other love interests. There were few companions who DIDNT have to defrost the Doctor when they first "got" him - Victorian!Clara had to talk him out of deleting her memory, and the Time War heavy lifting was by no means done when Rose left - it's Martha who drags the name of the planet out of him and helps him to allow himself to really think back on it for the first time.

Obviously Clara would win in a fight, but to me, such a comparision seems to miss the point of Rose. Clara is meant to be a "powerful" character. While Rose is by no means a pushover and very much willing to go down fighting (ask the Satan guy), she's a very different archetype - what makes her work as a character is that she's relatable to many young women and that she brings some of the skills to the table that the Doctor himself doesn't have - Such as perspective and people skills. Similarily, Rose is probably more honest than Clara, but Clara's supposed to be more antiheroic and that makes her interesting. Rose and the Doctor mostly work as a pair because of their differences, because they complement each other and rubb off on each other's best qualities. With Clara and the Doctor, their connection comes from their similarities. She thinks alot like him and that creates both understanding and affinity between them - they are both torn between being good people and experiencing all life has to offer for people like them, so she can only stay pissed at him for so long ("He's the man I wil always trust, always forgive")

They're supposed to be different because having the companions (love interests or otherwise) be all the same would be boring. They are both parts of this ongoing story. My personal favorite is Clara, but really, our society would benefit from more sisterhood and less competitional thinking between girls.