Talk:A Christmas Carol (TV story)

Shark - cause of death
...The Screwdriver starts to kill the shark from the inside...

The shark is suffocating, since it can't return to the clouds after being stunned.

At 23:30, quoting the Doctor:

I doubt they can survive long outside the cloud - just quick raiding trips

Mike.norrish 22:02, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

Timeline
Doesn't this story happen "after" TV: Death of the Doctor? TheTARDIScontroller 04:58, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

It probably does, but I don't think we can state that for sure. In both, Amy and Rory are off on a honeymoon, however they're off to another one at the end of this epiosode. We can assume that the two stories take place at approximately the same time, but there's nothing to explicitly state which came first. Spreee 15:36, January 24, 2011 (UTC)Spreee

Plot Problem
I cant seem to figure out the plot to this episode, why does the doctor need to go through kazran at all? in 2.08/2.09 DW: The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit, the doctor/tardis tows the rocket away from a BLACK HOLE, surely it follows that the tardis can retrieve the rocket in this episode from some bizzaro clouds??? Mick

121.44.137.139 07:30, January 24, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yea, In addition to that... Towards the beginning of the episode, the screen in the ship shows the TARDIS fly by it.. So the Doctor could have easily found the ship and saved everyone.... TheTARDIScontroller 00:16, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

Episode Numbering
Is this christmas special really classed as Series 6? Just because the actual doctor who website places it as episode 14 of Series 5! Michael Downey 18:33, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Main image
The main image is going to become an edit war soon, between me and User:Skittles the hog. He wants the frozen Abigail image. I want the nice and posh house of Kazran. Which is cropped and has the BBC insignia on it. BroadcastCorp (talk | contribs) 17:12, August 14, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, so lets get this right. You think a picture of Kazran's house sums up the episode better than Abigail in her frozen state? I completely disagree. The house was highly insignificant, it wasn't unique. An image of that cloud bank would be cover it better than some landscape shot. Just for the record, this is the image:

As BC correctly pointed out, it does have the BBC insignia, so that needs removing. I see no problem with leaving the current image (that is, the house) up until this is done.-- 17:17, August 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * What's really wrong with my image though, STH? It's Kazran's house. Snow is falling. This really makes a user think, "oh this must be a Christmas special" feel. BroadcastCorp (talk | contribs) 17:32, August 14, 2011 (UTC)

I see where your going with this and image quality/relevance is very much opinion, but I think the article title is sort of a hint as to the seasonal setting.-- 17:36, August 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * What if the person can't read, then what? BroadcastCorp (talk | contribs) 17:37, August 14, 2011 (UTC)

They're stuffed.-- 17:40, August 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm starting to see a pattern emerging here. Either images is fine, they both represent the episode quite clearly. Personally, I would try and get on of the Doctor and with Young/Old Kazran, since the episode was about try to change his past so he was a better person. If I was to choose between the two images which are at war, I would choose the one supplied by Skittles. MM/ Want to talk? 17:41, August 14, 2011 (UTC)

Er... why? BroadcastCorp (talk | contribs) 17:52, August 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * I have already explained myself about what I think the image should be in my above post. As for choosing Skittle's image over yours, it is a tough decision, but the image that Skittles gave us is more to capturing what the episode was about. MM/ Want to talk? 17:59, August 14, 2011 (UTC)

Well, so's mine in a way. Kazran's house controls the fish and Kazran's house is where the Doctor first meets Kazran. So they are both important in their on way. BroadcastCorp (talk | contribs) 18:07, August 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * Okay, I was thinking about it, and I realised yours was way better than mine. Abigail is more important. Changed the pic. Happy now? BroadcastCorp (talk | contribs) 09:01, August 16, 2011 (UTC)

Yep. I switched it back to the original filename.-- 09:09, August 16, 2011 (UTC)

Last archive
Why was the last few discussions archived? There were only three discussions! BroadcastCorp (talk | contribs) 17:40, August 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * The only reason I can think is is that they are all from before the episode was broadcast, meaning that when the episode was broadcast, the talk page started as a clean slate. MM/ Want to talk? 17:43, August 14, 2011 (UTC)

Companion-lite?
Should we dub this story a 'Companion-lite' story? Amy and Rory only play small roles in this episode, and Kazran and Abilgail are the 'main' companions for the story.

TARDIS2468 talk to me 06:17, January 22, 2012 (UTC)

Possible Production Error
When the Doctor and the young Kazran go downstairs to find a 'ice box', the video from the older Kazran's time supposedly shows them as if the camera still accompanied the Doctor and younger Kazran downstairs. How is that possible if the camera was at younger Kazran's bedroom? o.O User:Protozom User Talk:Protozom 00:30, August 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * It's not a production error, it's more of a continuity error. You can check Theory:Doctor Who television discontinuity and plot holes to see if it's already listed. Shambala108 ☎  00:35, August 7, 2013 (UTC)

Main enemy
The lead implicitly says that Kazran Sardick is the main antagonist, but the infobox claims that Elliot is. Now, considering Elliot's been dead for twenty years while the starliner is crashing, surely it's Kazran deliberately avoiding opening the cloud belt and the fact that the Doctor is changing his entire timeline makes Kazran the closest thing this story has to an "enemy". -- Tybort (talk page) 21:54, December 22, 2014 (UTC)


 * I agree. Shambala108 ☎  23:47, December 22, 2014 (UTC)

Main enemy
Why is Elliot listed as the main enemy? Arguably there's no antagonist, but the closest thing there is to one is definitely old Kazran. Elliot barely appears and interacts with no characters other than Kazran. 86.153.93.173talk to me 19:16, August 31, 2020 (UTC)
 * This is how the page has been since 2014. Some users in the past like you have made the same argument, that Elliot barely interacts with other characters, so can't be the main enemy, but if you look at the edits, these arguments have been universally rejected, including by admins. Elliot is the one who causes the conflict in this episode, as he causes Kazran to be awful through child abuse, he creates the machine, and when Kazran becomes less like Elliot, Elliot's actions still threaten everyone. Najawin ☎  19:20, August 31, 2020 (UTC)
 * I was just about the same thing. Think of Eliot as like the old king from Frozen 2.BananaClownMan ☎  19:24, August 31, 2020 (UTC)