User:SOTO/Forum Archive/The Panopticon/@comment-26845762-20151212000440/@comment-4189499-20160630145940

User:SOTO/Forum Archive/The Panopticon/@comment-26845762-20151212000440/@comment-4189499-20160630145940 Shambala108 wrote: You quoted Imamadmad's statement: "the story is identical, regardless of which characters are in your team or how many times you fail a level."

This statement confirms that the game should remain invalid. By our policies, any story that can vary from viewer/player to viewer/player is not considered valid. What part of "the story is identical" do you not understand? If you're gonna quote me, at least read what I say!

Sorry, sorry, sorry. I shouldn't shout. That was uncalled for. Sorry Shambala. But the fact of the matter remains, the story is identical regardless of who is on one's team. In fact, as far as the dialog (the actual story) is concerned, every character that could possibly be on one's team (and on some occasions those that can't, for example the First Doctor appeared before he was dropped) all exist travelling together at the same time. To put a more precise name on it, such as one could use in an article, it is the Doctor and his allies participating in every event in the game, except when the story specifically states otherwise (in which case the cast of characters to play with is usually restricted anyway).

Let's state this another way with an example. Let's look at the Chapter 2 episode "The Girl Who Waited: Apalapucia?". Specifically, let's play it with a team comprising of the War Doctor, Young Sarah Jane Smith, Joe Grant, Ace, Donna, and the Brigadier. Here is the following story:

Eleven: ...Apalapucia. Rory: No! Doctor, I can't. We can't. Rory: Not here. Not again. Eleven: We have to. We must stabilize (sic) time, Eleven: And clues to the future of reality itself could be found anywhere, Eleven: Even here in the two streams facility. Rory: This isn't fair. Rory: Nobody should have to go through this place once, let alone twice.

Narrator: The Doctor grabs Rory firmly but kindly by the shoulders and looks him in the eyes.

Eleven: We must. We have no choice. Eleven: We must stay strong. Eleven: This is just the beginning - far worse exists in my past.

Narrator: The 8th Doctor looks around the room at his collected allies, a look of infinite sorrow in his eyes.

Gameplay begins with the Doctor and his allies having to defeat first two hand bots, then three, then two, then three more

The level ends

This dialog stays consistent for every possible team and any possible number of times a person has played a level. That level in particular I have played many, many times because it's a good gem farming level, and every time I've watched the story, the dialog and actions have been identical. You may have noticed that none of the characters that were on my team took part in the dialog, and you may also have noticed that multiple Doctors took part in the interaction. The clear intention of the writers is that all the Doctors and all allies take part in the fulfilling of the levels, and so it doesn't matter who in particular the user chooses to focus on in their game play.

I see nothing wrong from just the given episode alone from mentioning, say, on the Two Streams Facility page that:


 * In a parallel timeline, the Doctor and his allies returned to the Two Streams Facility to try and find clues to help them stabilise the broken time stream. Rory was particularly distressed by this encounter after his previous time in the facility, but the Doctor told him to press on for the sake of time itself.  (Game: Legacy)

From the people who have actually played the game, can anyone see any reason at all why that shouldn't be allowed? DW: Legacy is explicitly set in an alternative time stream where time is crumbling apart, so there's no conflict with existing stories. Indeed, conflict with existing stories has never ruled out a story on this wiki. In fact, let us examine the famous Four Little Rules:


 * 1) Is it a story? Yes, it clearly is.
 * 2) Is it licensed? Yes, by BBC Worldwide
 * 3) Has it been officially released? Yes.  While different parts are still coming out, the episodes that have been released should certainly count, just like sequential releases of episodes in a comic story, or indeed like sequential episodes in a TV season.
 * 4) Is it intended to be set inside the DWU? Yes, but within a parallel timeline/alternate timestream.

Quite frankly, it passes all four rules. There is no variation in story from user to user. There is no reason for it not to be included on this wiki. We at Doctor Who Answers are happy for the content from the story to appear in our answers, not that you care about that. If anyone still thinks it shouldn't be included, please go play the game at least up to the middle of Chapter 2 before making further judgement. The game is free after all, and available worldwide (unlike the Adventure Games), so there's nothing stopping you. I'm sure if you had a more informed view of the topic, you too would understand why it should be included. There is no reason not to!