User:SOTO/Forum Archive/The Panopticon/@comment-1296654-20200810185923/@comment-6032121-20200811135432

I disagree with the merge of The Church and Papal Mainframe. As the latter page makes clear, the specific term of "Papal Mainframe" applies to the giant spaceship-temple thing in The Time of the Doctor. The Church can be referred to as "the Church of the Papal Mainframe" because the location called the Papal Mainframe is its headquarters.

In other words, arguing that we should merge The Church and Papal Mainframe because of the usage of the phrase "Church of the Papal Mainframe" sounds, to me, like saying we should merge Church of England with England — or Catholic Church with Rome on account of a couple of accounts calling it "the Church of Rome".

I am, however, open to renaming The Church to Church of the Papal Mainframe. But we should keep the page Papal Mainframe about the actual physical thing in Time of the Doctor that they call "the Papal Mainframe".

Also, @Najawin, you write: There's no offshoot happening, the entire Church has committed fully to the idea that a new doctrine, the doctrine of Silence, should be upheld. This is true, but the same episode also explicitly says that the Kovarian Chapter "went rogue", and that the organisation fought by the Doctor in S6 wasn't really the Church (now Church of the Silence) itself, but rather a particular renegade subdivision of the Church of the Silence. The Silence is the doctrine of the Church during the Siege of Trenzalore, but during the same timeframe, the Kovarian Chapter is acting on its own accord under the name of "the Silence". It's quite thorny and defies easy categorization.