User:SOTO/Forum Archive/The Panopticon/@comment-39450671-20200330222925/@comment-6032121-20200331115207

I'm fine with Beevers being called the Thirteenth Master if you insist, but would like us to call MacQueen the Bald Master, if only because of the sources which call Ainley's Master a regeneration of one kind or another. At any rate, that sandbox doesn't look too bad at all, but how do you fit in the Basil Rathbone Master from the Virgin New Adventures, who was the first incarnation in a completely different post-Ainley regeneration cycle than Macqueen? And let's not forget the Gordon Tipple Master.

The behind-the-scenes intent was that he was not Ainley (let alone Beevers), and what little we do see of him on-screen doesn't look very much like either; per T:NPOV we can't, in this situation, side with "he's definitely another body of the 13th Master" over his being the aforementioned Tzun Master or a regeneration thereof, especially with the VNAs going to the lengths they did to feed directly into the TV Movie.

Additionally, I would argue that the "ghost in the machine" Master from the later EDAs, the one intended to eventually become the Shalka Master, should also get his own page, possibly in the "More ambiguous" section since he's a sort of offshoot of the 'main' Master's lifecycle.

I would suggest something like this:

Incarnations of the Master Widely accepted First Cycle 1 • Unknown • "UNIT Enemy" • Decayed Stolen bodies & other interims Tremas • Tzun • Old Master Bruce • Vagrant • Others Time War Cycle "Bald" • "War Child" • "War Master" • "Saxon" • "Missy" • "Spymaster" More ambiguous The War Chief • The War King Man with the Rosette • "TARDIS Ghost"