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Thefartydoctor wrote: I'm going to have to be completely honest with you. This debate ran dry a few comments back. There's no new "proof" on the table apart from that dodgy Moffat quote. Until we find proof, we can't call this movie "valid" without going out on a limb.

I didn't say that we should. I just said that there's no need to purposefully keep it open until 2019. I'm in no rush to wrap up here.

Thefartydoctor wrote: The thing that'll prove it valid is intent, which has been said three million and one times in the thread (if you don't mind me rounding up slightly). No-one says (or even suggests- I'll settle for inference) that those Daleks are from the DWU, we can't make this truly valid. If we do, we'd be jumping to conclusions. This back-and-forth is getting us nowhere and is incredibly tiresome. That's not meant to be a hurtful comment, I'd expect us all to be getting run down by this tbh.

I know this is gonna make you mad, but I have to strongly disagree. We don't need an explanation of how the Daleks ended up there, because we already do have an explanation. There's a DWU world in the franchise, it's the only place we really see Daleks, the Phantom Zone connects to many universes. That's what the people working on this franchise have pretty clearly set up, and I disparage the idea of us expecting the Director to explain this in any article about a film that has way too many interesting things in it.

Also I'm far less invested in this then I put on.

The most sound argument for the story being invalid is the thing about the kid in the first movie and the idea of them not being done with this. We're not likely to get any major spoilers on that, is the thing.