Template talk:Wales crew

Requests for new variables
If you use this template and discover that there is no variable for a credit you find the end credits, please add the variable on the episode page yourself, then come back here and tell me what name you've used. Imagine there's an episode called The Test of Pharg, and on that epsiode there's a credit for "Pharg monster design by John Smith". Enter the variable to the list of variables on the article page, then write here: Then I'll add it to the template and to the usage text in the documentation, and the credit will magically appear on The Test of Pharg — but nowhere else. Thanks :)  Czech Out  ☎ | ✍ 16:03, April 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * PhargMonster=John Smith
 * PhargMonster (The Test of Pharg) ~

Dec 2010

 * VFXSupervisor (Planet of the Ood) Exlonox 14:16, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry to take so long to respond. I've rechecked my broadcast copy of the episode and Barney Curnow isn't there. There is no credit of VFX Supervisor. There's an On-set VFX Supervisor and a Visual FX Supervisor, but there's no VFX Supervisor. So I won't be adding that in. (Can't see that it's difference from a Visual FX Supervisor, anyway.) Barney Curnow is one of these credits-unlucky guys who's been working on DW forever, but rarely makes it to the broadcast credits.  Czech Out  ☎ | ✍ 02:40, December 27, 2010 (UTC)

Jul 2011
*CastingDirector2 (The Eternity Trap, and presumably other SJA series 3 episodes) 94.2.154.27 15:41, June 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * AssistantProducer (TW: Everything Changes, Day One, Ghost Machine, Cyberwoman, Small Worlds, Countrycide, They Keep Killing Suzie; Children of Earth Days One, Two, Three, Four and Five). Presumably any Torchwood series 1 episodes with abridged or "to be added" crew lists too. 94.2.154.27 16:05, June 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Music2 (Day One, Ghost Machine, Small Worlds, Countrycide)...episodes credited to Murray Gold and Ben Foster, and not just for the theme. 94.2.154.27 18:56, July 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * ProductionDesigner2 (TW: Much of Series 2) 94.2.154.27 18:56, July 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * Colourist2 (TW: Meat, Adam, Reset) 94.2.154.27 20:41, July 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * Done. 13:20:22 Fri 22 Jul 2011


 * AssistantLocationManager and Designer (SJA: Invasion of the Bane) --Tybort 08:54, July 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * AssistantLocationManager is already present (though I need to update the cut-and-paste bit at the bottom to include it). But what do you mean "designer"?  Don't have Bane to hand.  There's really a credit of just "Designer"?  13:20:22 Fri 22 Jul 2011
 * That's what I saw on the credits. -- Tybort (talk page) 07:49, July 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yep, checked again. Above Production Designer and below Editor. No run-on line or anything. -- Tybort (talk page) 20:25, July 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, relating to this episode, would creating a StoreMan and EditorsAssistant be a bit much, or should the credits just remain on StorePerson and AsstEditor? -- Tybort (talk page) 20:20, July 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * An Editor's Asst is not the same thing as an Asst Editor. You're saying you see Editor's Assistant on Invasion of the Bane?
 * As for a StorePerson, I'd leave it for use when StoreMan is seen. Then on those eps with StoreMan, I'd use one of the Note variables to say that Store Person was actually credited as "Store Man" on this episode.

Also, the CreatedBy credit applies to The Sarah Jane Adventures too, so would it be fine if it was placed on the non-Miracle Day sheet, too? -- Tybort (talk page) 07:49, July 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * Not strictly a need for it; I've already retrofitted CreatedBy on all pre-MD eps of Torchwood. And SJA only has three new stories to go. I'd rather not put it in the form on the template page.  It might confuse people with the other "character created by" credits.  Or, worse, someone might be tempted to fill it out on a DW page with some nonsense about Sidney Newman and Verity Lambert.  So if you're still filling in SJA credits from already-aired eps, you can either manually add it yourself, or you can let me add it all later with a simple bot run.  14:20:18 Tue 02 Aug 2011
 * Yes, there's an Editor's Assistant credit. Sorry, I'm not an expert on these things; wasn't sure if it was different or not. Anyway, I can only fill in episodes that have recently been put on iPlayer. I've only done series 3 and 4, plus the beginning of series 1. The Temptation of Sarah Jane Smith and Enemy of the Bane don't even have an unfinished list. -- Tybort (talk page) 19:46, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Editor's Assistant done. Var name: EditorsAssistant, as you suggested. 20:17:46 Thu 01 Sep 2011

Aug 2011

 * Lead3DArtist, LeadAnimator, LeadDigitalMattePainter, 2DSupervisor, Compositor up to Compositor10 or Compositor11, (depending on whether you want to count the typo crediting the same person twice)
 * Yes, errors in the credit roll should be reflected, then annotated in a Note variable. 12:28:18 Thu 01 Sep 2011
 * Having said that, I see no such error in the premiere broadcast version. There are 12 unique compositors in the roll. I'm not seeing any duplicates.  Whom did you have in mind as the lucky winner of two credits?  14:51:10 Thu 01 Sep 2011

and ExecutiveVisualFXProducer. (DW: The Pandorica Opens) -- Tybort (talk page) 20:20, July 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Hey just to be clear on these requests from 22 and 30 July — you are talking about credits that existed on the episode as broadcast, right? Not DVD credits?  14:20:18 Tue '02 Aug 2011
 * It was an airing, yes. Unless repeats used the DVD credits. -- Tybort (talk page) 23:23, August 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * And yes, this was on the episode of The Big Bang I saw too (apart from LeadAnimator I think). -- Tybort -- Tybort (talk page) 19:48, August 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * Sound, Lighting, AudioPostProduction. More SJA. Series 1 seems to have some weird/oddly general terminology. -- Tybort (talk page) 12:10, August 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * LineProducerUS (DW: The Impossible Astronaut/Day of the Moon) -- Tybort (talk page) 05:02, August 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * LocationAssistant (is this just another way of saying AssistantLocationManager?), CameraAsst3, AssistantGrip, SoundMaintenanceEngineer2, Draughtsman, CostumeAsst3 (seems to apply to all of Doctor Who series 6's spring block) -- Tybort (talk page) 21:05, August 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * ADREditor (separate credit to Dialogue Editor, the position this guy is normally credited as) (DW: Day of the Moon, The Rebel Flesh/The Almost People) -- Tybort (talk page) 21:00, August 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * Some new UK credits for Miracle Day: UKDOP, UKSoundRecordist, UKStuntCoordinator (TW: The Middle Men) -- Tybort (talk page) 03:55, August 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * Character4, CharCreatedBy4a, CharCreatedBy4b (DW: A Good Man Goes to War). I don't think we'll go into the "Ood and Judoon created by Russell T Davies" bit, as that was probably an error. I don't recall any Ood in that episode. -- Tybort (talk page) 20:52, August 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually, we will put that in there. It's not our place to judge whether a credit is "correct".  If it's there, we need to include it. Character4 and 5 included, along with the dependent vars they bring.  17:35:03 Wed 31 Aug 2011
 * Fair enough, but wouldn't it make more sense to place the bits as "Ood and Judoon" (for instance Character4a and Character4b) rather than "Ood created by" and "Judoon created by" that Character 4 and 5 entail, given that's how it appears in the credits? -- Tybort (talk page) 18:13, August 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * Sure. I was just making sure the sort of "extra" variable worked.  Change it at will.   07:04:18 Thu 01 Sep 2011

Sep 2011
The form to copy and paste into pages doesn't seem to have been been updated recently, despite all the additions to the template you've done -- Tybort (talk page) 22:38, September 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * To clarify, when I manually add CameraAsst3 it turns up fine, but the long list under "Standard form" doesn't show it for some reason. -- Tybort (talk page) 14:25, September 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * This still needs doing as of today, but there's no great pressure to do the form until DW starts back. At which time it'll inevitably need to be changed again.  Still, it is on my radar of things to fix.  16:49: Sat 31 Mar 2012


 * SupervisingArtDirector2, Dolls (DW: Night Terrors)
 * AssistantStuntCoOrdinator, DecoratorBuyer (marked as Decorator/Buyer), HandbotDesign (DW: The Girl Who Waited) Done. 16:49: Sat 31 Mar 2012

Oh, and the sound design team in recent Doctor Who episodes doesn't seem to match up with what's on the pre-made template. -- Tybort (talk page) 00:39, September 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * Could you please explain this a bit more. I hope you're just saying that the order of sound team variables is different now in the Moffat era than it was when RTD was around.  We're not actually missing sound team variables are we?


 * UKProductionDesigner is on the list, yet it won't show up. (TW: The New World, The Categories of Life, The Middle Men, The Gathering) -- Tybort (talk page) 00:25, September 13, 2011 (UTC) Done. 16:49: Sat 31 Mar 2012
 * ProductionManager2, ProductionSecretary2, AsstEditor2, VisualEffects2, SeriesProducer (DW: Closing Time) All done, but   was actually already in place and functioning.  The problem on Closing Time (TV story) was that there were two instances of AsstEditor2 on the page, and the bottom-most one was set to null — i.e.,  . The bottom-most instance of a variable is always the one that gets displayed, so it was overriding the other AsstEditor2.


 * Also I haven't seen any "Sound Editor" credit for some time. -- Tybort (talk page) 14:25, September 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * Not sure what you mean here. There are a lot of variables that don't get used frequently.  That doesn't mean the variable should be removed.  16:49: Sat 31 Mar 2012


 * SeriesProducer also appears to apply to all of SJA series 2 -- Tybort (talk page) 20:23, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

Oct 2011

 * Gaffer2 (DW: The Wedding of River Song -- Tybort (talk page) 08:55, October 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * DOP2 (SJA: The Lost Boy) -- Tybort (talk page) 19:36, October 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * VisualEffects2 (SJA: The Last Sontaran) -- Tybort (talk page) 20:01, October 24, 2011 (UTC)

Dec 2011

 * Editor2 (TW: Escape to LA, The Categories of Life) -- Tybort (talk page) 00:27, December 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * Runner3, SoundAssistant, StoryboardConceptArtist, ConceptArtistTrainee, GraphicDesigner, PropsDailies, PropsDailies2, PropsDailies3, PropsDailies4, Carpenter, Carpenter2, ScenicArtist3, Graphics2, Graphics3, Graphics4, Graphics5, Make-upTrainee, MillenniumFXStudioManager, MillenniumFXCoordinator, Administration, SpecialEffectsTechnicalCoord (or should that be Co-ord?), SpecialEffectsFloorSupervisor, SpecialEffectsTechnician, SpecialEffectsTechnician2, 3DSupervisor, OnlineVFXEditor, VFXAssistant (TW: Children of Earth: Day One, Children of Earth: Day Two, Children of Earth: Day Three) -- Tybort (talk page) 19:38, December 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * MillenniumFXTechnician, MillenniumFXTechnician2, MillenniumFXTechnician3, all the way up 20. (TW: Children of Earth: Day Three) -- Tybort (talk page) 19:38, December 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * And yes, StoryboardConceptArtist (or Storyboard / Concept Artist) seems to be a merged version of StoryboardArtist and ConceptArtist. This is from the DVD version, as you warned in August. I've just rented Days 1-3, and Day 4 is in a rerun early Sunday morning, so I'll be able to tell any possible divergences in the DVD release by Sunday. -- Tybort (talk page) 19:38, December 9, 2011 (UTC) Yes, it turns out the broadcast credits ARE shorter and briefer. Runner3 and SoundAssistant; ONLY those two are required for Children of Earth though. -- Tybort (talk page) 17:15, December 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * SoundAssistant also used in The Doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe


 * ArtDepartmentAssistant, PropHand, PropHand2, ScenicPainter, ScenicPainter2, OrchestratedBy (no "Conducted and"), ConductedAndAdditionalOrchestrationsBy, AdditionalVisualEffects, AdditionalVisualEffects2 (DW: The Doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe) -- Tybort (talk page) 23:33, December 25, 2011 (UTC) Done.  18:59: Sat 31 Mar 2012

Jul 2012
So far as I can tell, though, Torchwood series 1's broadcast credits are that long, broadcast or video.
 * Designer, ArtDepOpManager (TW: Everything Changes) -- Tybort (talk page) 14:22, July 7, 2012 (UTC)