User talk:Mini-mitch/Archive Talk 4

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oops
Accidentally reverted you edit to Trickster's Brigade.--Skittles the hog-- Talk 21:57, February 4, 2011 (UTC)

Policy
Just curious; the current edit war policy is '4 reverts in 36 hours', right? However, I'm wondering if we could add a statement about a min/max time, like saying '2 reverts' as a min. and a notice about 'gaming the system' or getting around the current policy. My goal here is to restrict the possibility of future edits wars. -- Bold  Clone  22:31, February 4, 2011 (UTC)

K9
Hey, no big thing, but you probably need to cast a glance over Tardis:K9 naming convention, especially focussing on the exceptions listed. K-9's Finest Hour should remain hyphenated, even though K9 generally is unhyphenated. Also, if you have questions about making a move/delete/change, as you apparently did, it does no harm asking other admin. You're not expected to know everything just because someone changed your user flag :)

Guide for new admins
I've created a guide: Tardis:Guide for new administrators it includes a few things I've learnt along the way and some useful information which you may already know or find out as you work your way around as an admin. --Tangerineduel / talk 14:04, February 5, 2011 (UTC)

Create protecting and other protection
Hey, best not to cascade protect any article, this protects everything that's linked on that page. So say The Pandorica Opens is cascade protected this would mean Daleks, Sontarans, Judoon, 1963, 1890 and every other link is also protected. (According to the delete log you cascade protected the Dorium page)

Protecting a page and then deleting it wipes the protection from the page, I've create-protected the page you deleted/restores/protected/deleted as I assumed that was where you were trying to go with it. Any questions please ask. --Tangerineduel / talk 16:46, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

???
Why are you creating all these X stories categories. The Terrible Zodin has never appeared in Doctor Who so they are not stories regarding her.--Skittles the hog-- Talk 19:34, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

You must have misread the article, it does say "Mentions". The Terrible Zodin is a sort of Running Joke. Heard of but never seen.--Skittles the hog-- Talk 19:41, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

On another unrelated topic, when you click the arrow to file a category. Instead of filling under *, hit the spacebar so that it files under [blank]. Petty, I know, but better.--Skittles the hog-- Talk 19:47, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

Creating protecting
After I left the message to you I had a think and I've now added a section called "How to create protect pages" to the Tardis:Guide for new administrators with images to show the process of going about it, hope it helps. It used to be less complicated, but following Wikia's re-design there's these extra steps to get away from the edit box. --Tangerineduel / talk 13:13, February 7, 2011 (UTC)

Take the long view
I note that you've just deleted a lot of properly disambiguated generic character names — like Secretary (Frontier in Space) — on the basis that there's no other character at that name now. Please stop deleting things on the basis that "nothing else of this name exists" or "nothing links here". What you're failing to consider is that something else might link there in the future. For instance, the category, human secretaries and category:secretaries, implies that a generic article about the job of a secretary could easily be written. More to the point, it's absolutely conceivable that another character named "secretary" could come along. So the future-proofing of this article by naming it Secretary (Frontier in Space) has now been lost. Just about any characters who take their name by their job title should be disambiguated so as to allow for the possibility of other characters similarly-named in the future. There will be other thieves than the one at Thief (13 O'Clock) (and with the presence of Lady Christina, Rayne, and this new first Doctor companion that Big Finish are doing, there's a need for a generic article about thieves). There might well be other cell guards, desk sergeant, cashier, car salesmen, and American sergeants in the future. Indeed, there might already be such characters, but we just haven't written the article yet. We only have 21K articles. We're nowhere close to having an exhaustive catalogue of all characters in the DWU yet. Please take the long view and allow room for us to grow our coverage, rather than creating work for people to undo later.
 * Just to follow up with some concrete examples, I thought I'd give you examples of other people who were named in ways that your changes made more difficult.
 * Waitress (Vincent and the Doctor) is what you moved to just waitress. But there's also Waitress (Random Shoes) at a very minimum. Thus, disambig required.
 * You redirected vicar to Vicar (Father's Day), but there's Vicar (Family of Blood), Vicar (Remembrance of the Daleks), Vicar (The Next Doctor), and Vicar (The Runaway Bride). And that's without investigating whether there are nameless vicars in other media, or accounting for people who are vicars, but for whom we know the names, like Arnold Golightly. I gotta ask, because there are so many: did you even put "vicar" into a search box before you decided to take your action?
 * UNIT soldier. Okay fine, AOD may be (and I don't know without really checking the credits, episode-by-episode) the only time where the character is "UNIT soldier". But there's at least Terror of the Zygons where a character credited as "soldier" who works for UNIT. To the average person using the site, it would be more helpful to point both UNIT soldier and soldier to a single disambiguation page. (Also, given the fact that we've started with listing uncredited characters, there will come a time when we have a lot of UNIT soldiers running around on the site.)
 * Teenager. Obviously, an article could be written about the concept in general, especially since SJA and K9 star teenager. But there are also characters in Teenage Kicks who are Teenager (Teenage Kicks).
 * Security Man (Prisoner of the Judoon). You can't just change it to "Security Guard" cause you think that "sounds better". We have to go by the real credits.
 * And there are other reversions I've made, though I have left some of your changes. It's probably unlikely there's another character called a Spray Painter, and it's not really a profession, anyway. (The profession is "painter".) Again, please think in terms of the future, not just what's here now. And please do look before you delete. A good trick is to look for categories first. If you find a category with the name of that profession, that means an article could be written at profession name. Then look in the search box for "profession name 1" and "profession name a". These two searches will reveal all instances of the profession name, including those where the character is red-linked or not linked at all. These steps will help you make deletions/changes that likely won't be reverted.

Bullet pointing
No, we don't need to ask just Tangerineduel. We need a forum discussion.

Moving
Remember to check "What links here" before moving a page to another destination. As is the case with Spike, there may be other characters of that name. Thanks--Skittles the hog-- Talk 21:06, February 13, 2011 (UTC)

I have evidence from the Guardian Newspaper that the narrators for 'Hounds of Artemis' are now Matt Smith and Clare Corbett instead of Karen Gillan, why won't you let my edits stand?Scardis 22:48, February 13, 2011 (UTC)

What?
Please revert your edits where you have seperated the dates. This format expresses a continual living as opposed to two seperate dates. If not, I will open a forum discussion in the morning. Come on...the dates are not a list, please stop. Thanks--Skittles the hog-- Talk 00:09, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

You do not have an argument, nor have you replied please leave the Shaun and Bronwen articles for illustrations of my point on the forums. I will write it tomorrow. Thanks--Skittles the hog-- Talk 00:16, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

Exactly, you want it that way. Sense stands against you. Have you even read my edit summaries before you reverted them? Somethings are of unwritten law.--Skittles the hog-- Talk 00:19, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

Please leave the Bronwen article as it is. I need it for forum sourcing. I will write it up in the morning. Ta--Skittles the hog-- Talk 00:27, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

Random Shoes
Do you happen to know what role Pete filled in this episode? I cannot find him on the video, nor the Café owner.--Skittles the hog-- Talk 20:26, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I haven't watched it fully for an age. I'm just skipping through. Oh well. Thanks anyway.--Skittles the hog-- Talk 20:35, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

Erm...
They're quite clearly over 8 years old. Please do not change these until we come to a conclusion. Thanks--Skittles the hog-- Talk 21:02, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

It does say home era, you cannot dispute that. Please, do not change your whole argument if it swings against you.--Skittles the hog-- Talk 21:12, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

No, I was in that discussion. That was a suggestion that was never followed through feel free to restart it though. Until than, leave it as it is. Simple :)--Skittles the hog-- Talk 21:23, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

You cannot just edit it for your ends. Start a discussion, a conclusion of this sort was never reached.--Skittles the hog-- Talk 21:51, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, you have changed them, not me. You changed the infobox without a conclusion. It is getting out of hands.--Skittles the hog-- Talk 21:57, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

I support Skittles here. Mini-mitch, you are acting like a moronic 5 year old who refuses to lose an argument~ Fan555 77.96.132.253 21:59, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

No, it can be changed within current regulations. That is, Home era. I personally think "Era Active" is a bit daft but, again fell free to put it on the forums. Thanks--Skittles the hog-- Talk 22:02, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

Again, within the regulations. I am going out now anyway so I am off. On another, friendlier note; I found the Pete (Random Shoes) guy, he isn't named but as the only other non-extra, it must be him. Please tell me if you can further clarify this. Thanks.--Skittles the hog-- Talk 22:07, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

Yep :) no Bold Clone grudges. Bye--Skittles the hog-- Talk 22:10, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

Apology
I'm sorry to have insulted you like this, but when I see admins doing silly things, I just see red, you know what I mean. Anyway, you know my opinion on the whole thing, so i'm off to watch the doctor pwn some aliens. Fan555 22:12, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

Blocking on the basis of tardis:no personal attacks
It is inappropriate for you, as the alleged victim of a personal attack, to carry out the blocking of editor on the basis of the policy contained in tardis:no personal attacks. You cannot possibly be subjective about such a matter. If someone attacks you, please go to another admin to seek blocking. Otherwise, it'll easily be construed as a distasteful abuse of power. Admins, in any case, should have thicker skin about such matters. My investigations into the history of this case indicate a pretty borderline abuse of the policy, and it could well be argued that he didn't violate the policy at all. By saying that you were "acting like a moronic 5 year old who refused to lose an argument", he is, in my view, making a statement "regarding the actions of the user". There is a difference between say "you moron" and "your actions are moronic", and this seems to be borne out by tardis:no personal attacks. In any case, let's imagine he actually did, directly, call you a "moron". That's hardly a swear word. It's barely that offensive. Is it really worth a one-week ban? Absolutely not. You overreacted.

If you're offended by a user in future, please pass the matter off to another admin. Do not attempt to handle the situation by yourself. And if you're adjudicating a similar matter on behalf of another admin, please have a sense of scale in terms of punishment. One week is pretty harsh for the word "moron". We don't want to build the reputation that this wiki has an admin team who'll block at the drop of a hat.

In this case, we've been lucky, since Fan555, the registered name of the IP user you blocked, has most graciously apologized to you. That could've been a long-term user of Wikia with 100,000 edits across the system, with lots of friends he could warn away from our wiki.