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Obviously it doesn't stop him, it just makes him, let's say it together, incompetent. Since they quite clearly were not going to say yes.

Regardless, the point remains that we've both said our piece, Scrooge and I clearly do have evidence for why it's a framing device, even if you disagree, and we can leave it at that for other people who want to join in. Since I think we all agree that no resolution will be made on this point either, since you've not changed your position on it literally since you opened discussion about it on the talk page on May 17.