Talk:Time field

Final Name
The Series is over, the discussions archived and the article is still called Time Field.

They look like cracks, they were caused by an explosion, they are called cracks on screen and (at least to me it seems that) "Time Field" was just part of some technobabble.

Can this page be renamed please? Or do we have to wait through Series 6 and see who caused them?

82.82.49.189 16:04, January 1, 2011 (UTC)

I'm trying to make a list of uses of "time field" or some variant. Some of these are from finding them on this wiki. It looks like it is being used to describe various timey-wimey effects which may or may not be related. --Nyktimos 22:24, April 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * TV: City of Death: The Fourth Doctor "crossed the time field" bunches of times. There is a time bubble created by a field generator. Until it is stabilised, the time field could either age or de-age someone depending on the polarity. Scaroth is trying to use it to time travel somehow. There's also something about time cracks. PROSE: The Eight Doctors: time bubbles are a little different.
 * AUDIO: Square One: The Monan Host'' conquered their own ancestors in ten different time periods because their planet had messed up time fields. They harnessed the fields.
 * COMIC: Blooms of Doom!: Time spillage is a distortion of the time fields. Time spillage is some kind of time rift here?
 * PROSE: Harm's Way: Tosh uses the Rift Manipulator to create a localised time-field to slow down the personal time of an enemy.
 * PROSE: Longest Day: Hirath has colliding time-fields making travel dangerous. A ship is aged when it is hit by one.
 * COMIC: 4-Dimensional Vistas: Lots of confusing talk about manipulating temporal fields or some time field keeping the Doctor off of the "real" Earth. Parallel universes have different frequencies for this field ... I think. PROSE: Psi-ence Fiction: something about fields from a messed up half a time machine creating paranormal whatsits by generating multiversal loops of technobabble or the other way around. I can't remember.
 * COMIC: Signs of Life: Gelezen has some impenetrable time field around it which means the TARDIS ricochets off it. It is hilarious.


 * Removed DWM: Ship of Fools because the actual comic didn't say "time field". --Nyktimos 19:01, May 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * Just to add to the above list:


 * TV: The Time Monster: Jo says, to the Doctor's approval and delight, that the time sensor detects disturbances in the time field.


 * Now, I dunno if that means we have to change the name of this article. But it definitely means that we've got to greatly expand this article. Looks to me like time field means a whole lot of different things in the DWU.  00:22:10 Sat 25 Jun 2011


 * Or alternatively, if you don't consider books and comics as canon - there are a mere 2 instances of time field being used, and many more uses of cracks. Even Moffat called them cracks. Can we please just put this to a vote?

109.170.212.79 21:37, June 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * Our cannon policy states that comics and books ARE canon, so it dosent matter if you consider them canon are not. OS25 (talk to me.) 12:52, December 30, 2011 (UTC)

This is getting seriously dull
Just move it to "The Cracks"! I'm sorry to be rude, but this is the same sort of pedantry that has "Jabba the Hutt" at "Jabba Desilijic Tiure" over on the Star Wars wiki. NOBODY is going to search for "Time Field" unless they've already been on the article and seen that title.--The Traveller 14:31, July 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * Your 100% correct, no one WOULD search "time field," would they? Well, it's a good think The Cracks redirects here, or it would actually matter! OS25 (talk to me.) 12:50, December 30, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, so: I was re-watching the episode "Rise of the Cybermen", and it's stated that the TARDIS fell through a "crack in time" to get to the alternate universe. Does this mean that the cracks have existed as early as series 2?

Uniplex ☎  22:21, April 11, 2014 (UTC)

I would just like to point out that in the Time of the Doctor" we saw what the Doctor saw in Room 11 of "The God Complex" and it was one of these cracks, and yet there is no mention of that here. It is currently mentioned in the plot synopsis of "The God Complex. Shouldn't there be an entry on this page about that crack as well? Kremlin16 ☎  23:04, April 12, 2014 (UTC)

Cracks in the skies of Venice
Removed:


 * When the Doctor saved Venice, the shape of the cracks appeared in the sky (though this may have just been a coincidence). Just before the Doctor left, silence abruptly fell over Venice. (TV: The Vampires of Venice)

Because assuming that's referring to the illustrated screenshot, that's not a crack, that's clearly the sunlight hitting a cloud. -- Tybort (talk page) 21:27, January 22, 2015 (UTC)

Cracks and Collapse
So name aside... What is the difference/link between the cracks in time and the total event collapse, if both come from the TARDIS blowing up? I can understand some time explanation, but if the whole universe will never have happened, how does that also create cracks from two parts of space and time that should never have touched? Steed ☎  02:59, August 1, 2015 (UTC)

Post-11
Now that we're over a year past Time of the Doctor, I think it's pretty clear that we've got the entire story on the cracks in time, so the 6-year-old decision to put off renaming things seems a little silly.

The article is clearly about one of two things:


 * 1) The cracks in time caused by the TARDIS explosion through which Prisoner Zero traveled, the time field spilled out to remove the Angels from history, the Time Lords communicated with the Doctor on Trenzalore, etc.; or
 * 2) Those cracks in time, plus the ones in Rise of the Cybermen and Time of the Daleks (which similarly connect two parts of spacetime that weren't supposed to be connected, but don't have the same cause, don't all have a consistent shape and orientation, etc.).

The first thing that someone (or collectively everyone) needs to decide is which of the two. Should it be an article about 11's cracks, with a section at the end about other similar cracks in time? Or an article about cracks in time in general, with a section specifically on 11's?

Either way, the one thing it's definitely not about the "time field". If the wiki needs an article on all the zillion things that have be inconsistently called "time field" (I don't know why the wiki needs to try to pretend the technobabble is used consistently when even Craig Hinton's novels don't try to keep up that pretense, but that's a separate issue), it should be about all of those things, not about the time cracks that one of those things sometimes spilled from. And it should be in the "temporal theory" category rather than "space-time anomalies", and it should be linked to things like "chronon" and "temporal energy", and so on. Meanwhile, this article should just scrap most of the "Other Time Fields and Cracks" section (which could be used to start that separate "time field" article).

That also means this article should be called "crack" or "crack in time" or "time crack" or similar. And the first sentence of the lede needs to go, and the first section needs to be renamed.

Separately, the "History" section also should be reorganized to tell things in in-universe causal order—and to be complete (the "Closing" section currently says all of the cracks were closed; you have to read "Notable Cracks" and get to the God Complex and Time of the Doctor paragraph to discover otherwise).

The "Notable Cracks" section might also need another name. It's equivalent to the narrative-ordered section on the detailed adventures that you find on a character or organization page, which makes sense, it's just a weird name. --50.0.128.145talk to me 12:09, December 23, 2016 (UTC)


 * I have never (or maybe once, briefly) heard the Doctor call the cracks in time a "time field," and if anyone could give the source, please do. But regardless, "time field" became the name for the this article. While the term is not consistent, granted, it is still used in a myriad of instances, independent of the cracks in time caused by the Doctor's exploding TARDIS. Think of it as a bomb and the explosion, or perhaps the explosion and the blast/force resulting from it: they are essentially the same thing. The total event collapse caused the cracks in time, described as the "fires at the end of the universe," where the universe ended because of the collapse. Therefore, I suggest the bulk of this article (all information concerning the cracks in time) be relocated to the total event collapse page. This article will then cover time fields in general, with a reference to the collapse. I would think this would better organize the information; I know a few people liked the idea when I proposed it on the Panopticon. But does anyone else have something for or against this? Steed ☎  02:24, January 25, 2017 (UTC)
 * I totally support your view, Steed. --HarveyWallbanger ☎  13:09, January 25, 2017 (UTC)