Talk:Arachnids in the UK (TV story)

Year
How do we know the story is set in 2018? TheFatPanda ☎  21:53, October 28, 2018 (UTC)
 * This story is set within a day of the end of The Woman Who Fell to Earth, which was set in 2018.


 * As I noted, it may not still have been September by the end of that episode, but we can safely assume that Grace's funeral did not take place three months after her death, during which time the Doctor stayed in town and never changed clothing. After the funeral, Yaz says she ought to change, the Doctor gets her new outfit, and in the same scene, she asks for their help with the teleport. There is no reason to assume the final scenes of Woman are set in a different year entirely. 22:09, October 28, 2018 (UTC)


 * ...when was it stated that TWWFTE was set in 2018? TheFatPanda ☎  22:10, October 28, 2018 (UTC)
 * This has already been taken into account on that episode's talk page. The year is given on a football ticket in Rahul's workshop. --DCLM ☎  07:01, October 29, 2018 (UTC)

Better picture
Would anyone object to us replacing the top image for this story with, I dunno, Yaz's family or something? I know some folks with arachnophobia, and I feel like this is a little in-your-face. – N8 ☎ 02:28, October 29, 2018 (UTC)
 * Cf this post. – N8 ☎ 02:31, October 29, 2018 (UTC)
 * Honestly, I must admit I did not consider this when adding that image to the infobox. Even though I myself hate spiders, I went straight to that as a "infobox image" because... well, it kind of summarised the story, but with this in mind, I think we could try and find something else that doesn't triggers aracnophobic people. In any case, sorry to anyone that may have been triggered by that. OncomingStorm12th ☎  03:42, October 29, 2018 (UTC)
 * Would an image of one of the giant-web-covered rooms, sans spiders, do? If you ask me, it'd be even more representative of the episode, since plenty of Doctor Who stories have done giant spiders before, but the visual of the webbed hotel seemed rather original. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎  19:28, October 29, 2018 (UTC)
 * Pick a different picture. It's been over a year since this discussion. Is it really that hard for you guys? Jeremy2121 ☎  06:34, January 1, 2020 (UTC)
 * Modify your tone or you might be blocked. This is supposed to be a discussion, not a snarky comment. The people who are asking for a new image haven't provided any suggestions (that follow our guidelines at Tardis:Guide to images), so it doesn't seem like it's that imperative. None of the images currently on the wiki fit our guidelines for story pages, so if you want it changed, post suggestions here (and by suggestions I mean actual uploaded images, not links to offsite material). Shambala108 ☎  06:42, January 1, 2020 (UTC)
 * Then remove the current image for the reasons already given, and upload a new one when you decide on what one to use. Done. Jeremy2121 ☎  06:55, January 1, 2020 (UTC)
 * While I don't agree with Jeremy's tone, I do agree with the sentiment. The picture should really have been changed as soon as the point about arachnophobia was brought up. I know this wiki has a tendency of taking a long time to decide on replacement pictures (or just not deciding at all) and usually it's not that big of a deal, but considering the impact this picture can have on people (arachnophobia is a fairly common phobia and let's face it, that picture is terrifying), I think that the picture should be changed asap. I will post some suggestions shortly if I can manage it.LauraBatham ☎  06:53, January 1, 2020 (UTC)

So obviously I need to inform newer users of how we decide infobox images for popular pages (that includes story pages, Doctor and companion pages, and some others). First, it requires a discussion to change an image. No changing is to be done until an admin has closed the discussion. And new images need to be suggested. In this case, no one offered any other suggestions. I even took the step of checking our other images from this story, and none fit the infobox guidelines for stories, which are as follows: the image must convey an idea of what the story is about and/or illustrate the title of the story.

In short, post ideas here. They will be discussed, and maybe voted on, then the image can be changed. Shambala108 ☎  07:01, January 1, 2020 (UTC)
 * That's nice. Now, please remove the current image for the reasons already given, and upload a new one when you decide on what one to use. Jeremy2121 ☎  07:07, January 1, 2020 (UTC)
 * Can I please remove the current image for the reasons already given? And then you can add the new one when you come to an agreement? Jeremy2121 ☎  07:24, January 1, 2020 (UTC)

Picture suggestions
I'm still working on suggestions for a less frightening picture for any agoraphobic readers, but I thought I would post one to start us off. LauraBatham ☎  07:16, January 1, 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't know anything about this story, but there must be some shots that can be uploaded that somehow tell what the story is about. Shambala108 ☎  07:19, January 1, 2020 (UTC)

Here are two more suggestions, hopefully they are better.

LauraBatham ☎  07:51, January 1, 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay, I fixed the gallery situation. Sorry everyone.


 * Also, Option 2 would have to be cropped just a smidgen at the bottom though, as there is still a bit a black border from where I screenshot it. LauraBatham ☎  07:56, January 1, 2020 (UTC)
 * Option 2 is certainly too dark, and the figures are not recognisable at thumbnail. It's not really clear what we're looking at without having been told what's going on there. Also, crucially, as it says in Tardis:Guide to images, "Don't use the ass shot." Characters should be facing the camera, and wide angle shots should also be avoided in favour of closer looks at a character/object/setting/scene.


 * If it's a spiderweb you're seeking to depict, maybe a different (better lit) shot showcases a spiderweb from far closer. But would that be distinctive enough for us to be able to say that the image in question must have come from this episode? 08:41, January 1, 2020 (UTC)
 * Fair point, that kind of picture may be a lost cause as it is quite a darkly lit episode and, as you say, just a picture of a spiderweb is way too vague. What are your thoughts on option 3? LauraBatham ☎  08:51, January 1, 2020 (UTC)
 * I must say that I'm finding this a very strange situation. Should the infobox image on Planet of the Spiders or the Right Legs be changed as well? Surely one should realise that a page called Arachnids in the UK would likely have images of arachnids on it. -- Saxon (✉️) 11:45, January 1, 2020 (UTC)

I don't see why the image keeps getting removed while this discussion is still ongoing. It is very easy to access the talk page without going through the main page. Just type "Talk:Ara..." into the search bar. --Borisashton ☎  17:52, January 1, 2020 (UTC)
 * User:Borisashton is right, per Tardis:You are bound by current policy the image can and should stay until/unless the discussion changes it. Shambala108 ☎  18:55, January 1, 2020 (UTC)


 * Saxon, yes someone would realise that there would probably be pictures of spiders on the page, and I have no objection to having spiders in the infobox picture, such as with the Planet of the Spiders page. But there is a bit of a difference between a spider just sitting there in the semi-distance, and a close up of a giant one literally advancing towards the screen. LauraBatham ☎  00:27, January 2, 2020 (UTC)
 * We can't stop posting pictures because some viewers might find them scary. Fear of clowns is a very common phobia - should that mean we can't post pictures from, say, Day of the Clown or From Out of the Rain if the villains look threatening? -- Saxon (✉️) 11:13, January 2, 2020 (UTC)


 * I'm inclined to agree with Saxon. On a wiki that is explicity NSFW, it seems a bit unnecesary to start protecting reeaders against arachnophobia are any of the other hundreds of other less well known phobias. --Borisashton ☎  12:50, January 2, 2020 (UTC)


 * Fair enough, I concede to your point. I just thought it might be a nice idea to change the picture seeing as there are other options available that would be less problematic. LauraBatham ☎  01:29, January 3, 2020 (UTC)
 * So, what you're saying is that you actually don't care that you could give people triggering seizures and send them to hospital. Wow. That's kind of you. Sending you my hospital bill. Jeremy2121 ☎  06:04, January 4, 2020 (UTC)
 * When I was a child, I was absolutely terrified of the gas mask zombies, but I didn't expect an encyclopaedic website to censor images from a children's show. I simply never visited The Empty Child or related pages. Additionally, perhaps you should actually respond to my point rather than with presumptive, sarcastic rhetoric assuming bad faith. -- Saxon (✉️) 11:29, January 4, 2020 (UTC)
 * I figure I'll chip in here. I'm with Saxon and Borisashton on this one. We can't be feasibly expected to start censoring our content on the chance that a wiki viewer is "offended" by it. If that was the case, the wiki would not exist because, statistically, there are enough people in the world that everything we post here can be deemed offensive by at least one person. Hell, me writing this comment likely offends at least one person. So no, we should not censor our images or article content at large based on potentially offending someone. Like Saxon said, those users are not forced to view these articles; they can simply not visit the "offensive" pages. Also, Jeremy's remark is hardly appropriate (considering (T:No personal attacks) for a discussion regarding changing an infobox image here, especially as it fixates more on demeaning Saxon than discussing what is the best infobox image based on wikia standards. Lets keep the image topic as the focus.


 * Regarding the image change, I am definitely supportive of one that showcases a face closeup of the Doctor (as this is a Doctor Who wikia) and a similarly clear closeup shot of a spider (to signify this episode is about "Arachnids".) That's my view. Snivy   ✦ The coolest Pokemon ever ✦   12:02, January 4, 2020 (UTC)
 * While it is true that we don't have a duty to remove things just because they might trigger people's phobias, there's no reason not to be courteous if A) people actually, materially do complain, and B), we have another attractive option.


 * In this case, Option 3 is excellent, being both one of the signature shots of Series 11 (in a memetic sort of way), a clear front-facing image of the Doctor, and one that does feature a spider… but artfully blurred.


 * I'm bringing this to a long-deserved closure. Scrooge MacDuck ☎  04:22, 10 February 2021 (UTC)