User:SOTO/Forum Archive/Inclusion debates/@comment-31010985-20190928203157/@comment-6032121-20191013230704

Also, you are misquoting me. I didn't say anything about M&W being the "most trusted online dictionary", that was all User:Borisashton.

Also also, it is one thing that we do not trust statements about themselves by real-life people, but it is another that we should mistrust statements by real-life people about other companies. If you're saying that Arcbeatle Press's website is not a valid source for "Decipher, Inc. said [X]" because, as T:NO SELF REF explains, people in the industry sometimes lie, then you're asking us to consider the possibility that Arcbeatle Press lied, not about itself, but about a third party: Decipher Inc. Is that really the route you want to go down? (Note, additionally, that as I understand it, T:NO SELF REF is for people, not publishing companies. Whether Arcbeatle Press is a person or a company is precisely what we're trying to establish here! Within the position I was arguing for, it does not break T:NO SELF REF to source statements about Arcbeatle Press to Arcbeatle Press, if it is indeed a company, rather than an individual posing as one.)

Also also also, doesn't sourcing your "Wylder is a self-publisher/freelance writer" idea to quotes by Wylder himself also violate T:NO SELF REF? If not, why not?

But if you're pressed for time, the "what is your point, if not what we've been assuming it was?" question is the one I'm most anxious to see you answer.