User:SOTO/Forum Archive/Inclusion debates/@comment-4028641-20170322025232/@comment-33695797-20180915052648

I’m new to the discussion, but I also believe they should be considered valid. I’ve been reading the comics and such. Another idea is to simply link all the Marvel characters to the Marvel wiki, but here and in general we run into another problem. Doctor Who and Marvel have very different concepts of canon, as do their respective wikis. DW has no canon, so we define it on our own. Marvel however, has a number for each reality and everything takes place in a reality. (e.g. Main universe is Earth-616, cinematic universe is Earth-199999.) On the Marvel wiki realities without official numbers are given temporary numbers. Unlike this wiki, the Marvel Database takes creators’ words out of universe as canon.

So here’s the information: Anyone from the comics in DWM while it was published by Marvel is in their version of the DWU, Earth-5556. For their purposes it doesn’t matter if this is indeed the same continuity as the TV show since that’s not Marvel. For this wiki’s purposes the TV show, the comics, and any other stories are considered “canon”.

There also is Earth-5555, which is the reality the Doctor leaves Death’s Head in in The Crossroads of Time. This is set in 8162, and other Marvel stories like Dragon’s Claws take place in this world. But it also appears Keepsake, a DW character, is from this world since he meets Death’s Head while he is stranded there. I haven’t read Dogbolter’s other stories, so I don’t know if he was already set in 8162. But he meets Death’s Head in Time Bomb! and clearly doesn’t travel between realities; the conclusion here is that either Josiah W. Dogbolter and Hob are originally from Earth-5555, or they priorly met the Doctor in his native universe in comics such as The Moderator and these are parallel versions from Earth-5555.

So Earth-5555 has both things originating from DW and Marvel, even if they never cross over. I believe the strips should be considered valid, at the very least the connecting strips. There’s “Connections”, “Minds Meet!”, 9 untitled stories, and the final one, “The End... Yes?”. (Today I listed these on the TIDH page, and created a page for “Connections”.) And also Death’s Head II and Tuck sometimes narrate the Archived stories.

If we consider these valid, we should write on Death’s Head’s page about how he had a second form, but how he came from his first to second body is entirely outside of the DWU and has no crossovers at all so that would have to be excluded.

At the end of the last comic in TIDH the Doctor reveals he was the one who originally sent Death’s Head to the Transformers universe (Earth-120185).

Additionally even if these comics weren’t reprinted in TIDH Keepsake’s Vulture sticks around with DH for a while.

And to further complicate things in the Eighth Doctor comic The Glorious Dead Esterath tells the Doctor he has never left his own multiverse.

Here’s a useful page (skip down to the part concerning where does it fit):http://www.marvunapp.com/list/app8162.htm