Howling:The little boy and girl who waited...in the library

Remember back in the Library, there were two children who were not materialised and were kept in CAL; the son and daughter of Donna, later adopted by River Song.

Donna's husband was shown to be a real person and not created by Donna's imagination. The son and daughter, Josh and Ella, were kept in CAL as if they were dead.

In the mini-episode, the future Eleven said "spoiler" to his past self when asked if this were his final adventure with River before she goes to the Library. If what the present/past Eleven already knew were true, there is really no point in saying "spoiler" to him. River's death may be an even more positive ending than what we already know, maybe something or someone is waiting in the Library.

Charlotte Amy Lone Centurion

--222.166.181.206talk to me 03:14, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

Those 2 children were never real. That was the entire reason that Ms. Evangelista took Donna to the park. Donna's husband was one of the visitors to the library who were "saved," but the children were a simulation created by CAL so that the saved people could have children. All of the people who were saved would have gone through simulations like Donnas, where they were matched with one of the other visitors as a spouse, and given Josh and Ella as children. That's why when Donna closed her eyes, the children felt as if they didn't exist. They only existed as long as their programs were running. Future Eleven had to answer spoiler because past Eleven was asking a question about the future. Whether the answer really gave anything away or not, future Eleven couldn't tell him about the future.Icecreamdif talk to me 03:59, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

Correct. If he said "Spoiler" only when he knew something, saying "Spoiler" would instantly reveal that there was something to know. The only way to make it work is to give that reply to every question about the future, regardless of whether there's anything to conceal or not. In any case, although we know what happened in the Library, until Ten and Donna left, we've no way of knowing if anything happened after that, let alone knowing what might have happened. Maybe what we've already seen is all there is, maybe it isn't. We also don't have any way of knowing if the meeting between the Doctor and River, immediately before (in her timeline) she leaves for the Library will be their last meeting in the Doctor's timeline. Their encounters do seem to be roughly in reverse order but only roughly. --89.240.242.83talk to me 05:33, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

I doubt that it will be the last meeting in the Doctor's time line. Given the fact that River didn't react too strongly upon meeting Ten for the first time in the Library, and since the Doctor considered it worthwhile to give her pictures of all his regenerations, she'll probably meet a few more versions of him. Since they are married (sort of) it isn't unlikely that they will continue to meet until Thirteen dies. The Doctor wouldn't really consider getting up to River's death a reason to stop meeting with her anymore than she pretended to consider that his death would stop them from meeting.Icecreamdif talk to me 16:29, January 25, 2012 (UTC)