User talk:Doug86/Archive 1

DOUG86
PLEASE COMMENT ON MY COMMENT ON THE DISSCUSION PAGE ON SERIES 5 PLEASE - WHATS YOUR OPINION ???????????? Michael Downey

Thanks
This unit is most appreciative of your assistance in upadted the Big Finish audio links. --Colleyd 17:44, 11 February 2008 (UTC)Woof.

Dark Ages
Thanks for fixing the Dark Ages link and the redirect. -- Q 1712 01:31, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Novelisation addition
Hi, I removed the novelisation from the classicTV info box, as the novelisation info should really be kept separate from the TV information. --Tangerineduel 14:26, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi Doug86
I've been a bit absent recently caught up in life and all that but just having a browsw and two things drew my attention one was brief encounters and the other was the BIT comic strips. As both of these are of interest to me and on my list to look at I thought I might make a few suggestions.
 * Re Brief encounters

I had a discussion some time ago regarding how to list them. I think it was Tangerineduel, started giving them all an individual article, but after discussion we thought about referencing them to a single page. One of the reasons for this is quiet a few had no title assigned to them and would be difficult to find, and the other was the fact that content was concise, but lacking in available depth to warrant a whole page, without reprinting the text anyway. As their were I think just over 30, it seemed to be quite a short series, containable on one page. Anyway don't know if you found the previous discussion, or if these points had been considered, and if so I'd like to know how you're planning on dealing with the unnamed ones.
 * Re BIT comic strips

On a similar line, but not quite. I see you've started to give the strips individual pages. Here' a thought! As the strip is so short (running to only four pages, individually titled but often with a running narrative. Could 'we' (and I only say that because its something I've been looking at with regards Tenth Doctor Comic strips recently), combine the comic strip article in the BIT Issue page (yet to come). It would give the Issue page a bit more interest, strip continuity, and as the strip is limited to the magazine with a definite (so far) partwork issue of 52 be more contained.
 * Anyway just a few thoughts let me know what you think.The Librarian 15:02, 23 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Just to jump into this conversation, after actually reading through some of the Brief Encounters recently (while working my way through various DWMs), they almost can qualify for a page, and with 30 stories would make for a long single page. As for the untitled ones, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. --Tangerineduel 15:29, 23 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree about giving Brief Encounters stories single pages, and I think I have a solution for the BIT comics. The Comic Book Database has given unofficial titles for the story arcs. If we borrow from them, it would be like this:


 * 1-6: The Survivors of Platform One
 * 7: The Glutonoid Menace
 * 8-11: Vaction on Centuria
 * 12-15: The Living Planet
 * 16: Plague Panic
 * 17: Exhausting Evil
 * 18-21: Wrath of the Warrior

Just a suggestion, let me know what you think. Doug86 20:49, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Altering other user's personal pages and postings
Hi, I've not mentioned it thus far. However please do not alter any further person's personal pages/postings, this is against our Vandalism and Unhelpful Content Policy, further actions such as those described may result in action being taken. (But on a side note, you've been doing a great job thus far). Thanks --Tangerineduel 13:07, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Status
Hi. Have changed your user rights to sysop (I think), put a message on my talk page if it's not done. --Tangerineduel 08:50, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

It works, thanks! Doug86 08:51, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Name Confusion Reply
The Oakley/Oakely spellings are taken straight from the official Big Finish pages. So unless someone has the actual cds, I don't have a way to verify which is the actual spelling, or if they're actually two different people with similiar names. --Colleyd 13:35, 27 May 2008 (UTC)Woof.

Stubs
I'm trying not to put the tag on all of them, if you think some aren't stubs, then just remove the tag. --AnimeNoKyouran 04:49, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Absent Admins
I'm sending this out to all the currently active Admins here, with regards to this Forum posting Forum:Absent Admins.

It's the suggestion that all the admins who have not been active in the last two years have their admin user rights dropped.

This is the list of users to be dropped back from admins.


 * User:***Stardizzy***
 * User:Amxitsa
 * User:Jaster
 * User:Joker1138
 * User:Josiah Rowe
 * User:Mantrid
 * User:Nhprman
 * User:OncomingStorm
 * User:Sean-Black

User:Freethinker1of1 was also on the list, though as he started this wiki I think that would be a bit of a kick in the teeth.

Please put your thoughts on the forum or get back to me with opinions or what we should do etc, thanks. (Also if you think I've missed any active admins can you send this message onwards to them also, I've sent this to User:Azes13, User:Ghelæ, User:GingerM). --Tangerineduel 15:41, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

BIT Comic strips
Hi Doug, noticed you have been doing some editing to the reference boxes on the strips, just so you don't think I'm ignoring you, I'm just finishing off the comic strip pages (only three more to catch up with and complete).I took on board TangerineDuels feedback and have revisited with the information I had so far to bring it up to date and correct a few first time messy bits! Im intending to revist them once more add and specify references to props used. (eg. Blue suit, screwdriver used to open doors, etc). So if you want to hold back. The other thing is glasses! My view is that glasses are something to do on another page, but a page specifically to the Doctor's glasses. In Time Crash, specific references were made to the use of the glasses not sure how to head it yet or whether to keep under general Doctor page. Thanks by the way for the list of grouped story titles. I decided not to use them in the end, deciding that they weren't well known enough in themselves and so in this case were probably more accessible as individual articles. This could still be changed at a later stage, but we'll see when the series is done and the basic areas of BIT are all covered. Keep up the good work.The Librarian 04:25, 25 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the reply; my view is that "glasses" is too common for an article on this wikia - note that you didn't add a link for the Doctor's blue suit. However, if you're planning on doing an article on the Doctor's glasses, go right ahead. Doug86 13:49, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Children of Earth
Thanks for deleting this article it looks like we may have another Christmas special plague of articles on our hands Dark Lord Xander 03:01, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Cyberman
Hi there just curious what was the reasoning behind moving Cybus Cybermen to Cybermen (Pete's World) as i was unable to find any dissolution on the move. Dark Lord Xander 08:45, 26 August 2008 (UTC)


 * It seemed to me to make more sense this way, all the other articles dealing with duplicates in Pete's World have "(Pete's World)" to differentiate them from their main timeline counterparts, so I figured that the Cybermen should too. Doug86 22:36, 26 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Be that as it may i think it should have been discussed while your point is valid they are Cybus Cybermen created by Cybus industries hence the big C on their chests but what ever. I am happy that this outcome atleast returned the original Cybermen to the Cybermen Page --Dark Lord Xander 07:29, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Vulcan (disambiguation)
Why was it deleted?


 * My understanding is that disambiguation are usually needed for three or more articles with the same or similar names. Since there are only two articles named Vulcan (the planet and the god) all that is needed to have a link to the other article at the top of the page. Doug86 07:15, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

copying from Wikipedia doesn't count as plagiarism
I noticed you deleted an article Honoré Lechasseur for copying and pasting a Wikipedia article of the same name.

Wikipedia has a Creative Commons license, same as this Wiki and even a template for indicating that you took part or all of an article from there. (though I don't know the short form of the template or else I would use it.)

http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Wikipedia

and

I myself "created" the Muriel Frost article by cut and pasting from Wikipedia. (I did the same with at least one other articles.) though I edited and changed it to fit this Wiki.

not that I have any tolerance for people cutting and pasting information from sources not under Creative Commons. I pointed out the number of comics entries stolen from Doctor Who Guide. --Stardizzy2 19:19, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Battles in Time Comic strips. Thoughts wanted
Hi Doug, I've seen you tidy up and work around comic strips and would value your opinion on some recent work. As you may have noticed I've been working on the strips in the Battles in Time magazine. I choose this series mainly because its of a limited run and could create a test-look to it. I'm still tweaking it with additional information to include, but nearly there with that bit. My thoughts are around the use of images. For starters the info box on the story page - it clearly identifies what the article relates to. I choose to include a gallery bit on the main page, I thought better representation of the strip than a single image. (AND scanning here takes so long, not to mention the upload times). Good or bad move? The artist Lee Sullivan has chanced across these pages and been in contact. He seems more than happy for his work to be promoted this way and was very flattering about the pages. More coming soon I hope! He said he had forgotten he had drawn some of the images when he saw them displayed as they were, which I thought was nice!Anyway... On the main listing page underneath the listings I've duplicated the story samples. While I appreciate there is some duplicity, I believe its inclusion is for another reason. So often I find lists of comic strips boring and unhelpful, after all they are a very visual reference and the images of a frame I find are far more helpful if I want to look something up. A comment about the speed in loading the page being compromised by the amount of information (and again the question of duplicity), has been raised. Do you think the page should the page be divided up, and is this degree of duplicity acceptable? Personally I hate linking to a page that has maybe only one line of text. With the comic strip characters the minor characters have been included in the character section of the strip page, but some have suggested they should have their own page. To remove this bit and give each a seperate article, I feel could be a bit of an unnecessary distraction. Another option I'm thinking of exploring is imaging each comic strip character so at least each named character at least would have a visual included.And it would feature an individual infobox like Abslom Daak. I'm not aware of one specifically for comic strip characters, any thoughts? Sorry if this is a bit longwinded but as I'm now revisting each page I thought I would ask what you think (if you have any thoughts on the matter that is!). Keep up the good work by the way! Oh and some P.S.'s Well that is it now...bye The Librarian 02:44, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I intend to include a generic title for the various installments in the notes and,
 * I'm going to expand the TV referencing bit with specifics. and,
 * Following Time Crash maybe the Doctor's glasses do deserve a page, and having listened to the commentary from David Tenant on the latest boxed set, I believe the tenth Doctors clothing could well have its own page!
 * Oh and finally while I'm thinking about it...any interest, or objection, do you think in uploading the Battles in Time collectable trading cards, full size scans, not on a gallery page but linked from the listing page. i was thinking ahead to a Related Merchandise link on a number of pages!


 * Thank you for requesting my opinion on your ideas. They are as follows--


 * Info box on story page - I'd change it to just the BIT logo, not the BIT logo and Tenth Doctor picture that appears now.
 * Duplicating story samples on main page - I personally find this acceptable, although to save space you may want to minimize the images.
 * Comic strip characters - these definitely should be given their own pages: after all, characters from the TV stories and novels have their own pages; plus I myself have created pages for characters from various TVC comic strips.
 * A glasses page has already been created, and I think the Doctor's clothes should be limited to a Gallery page.
 * Battles in Time trading cards and other merchandise should also be limited to just a Gallery page.

Doug86 06:01, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Hi Doug RE: Captain Jack Harkness
I'm looking at the Torchwood bits at the moment for a distraction! and i see you are right behind me. I see you have deleted Captain Jack Harkness (TV story). Hate to disagree but I know its a duplicate I copied it! I was intending to redo the links from the overused Captain Jack page. The distinction is made with other pages that refer to a TV story so I cant see what your hurry was. The Librarian 21:46, 15 March 2009 (UTC)


 * First of all, an article's name is not changed by copying and duplicating an old page in a new article, but by Moving the old article. Second, I see no reason why the episode page should be moved when it would simply be easier to fix the pages that incorrectly link to that article. The current set up seems just fine to me. Doug86 23:39, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Ok Im going to assume you know what you are talking about, but firstly unless I check with your talk page, I'd never know you replied! Surely the whole point of ambiguous links is to clarify them. Someone searching for Captain Jack Harkness (who never refers to himself as just Jack Harkness! not that I've found yet) in the same way I would have thought would have an article headed like the Brigadier is used as a known prefix. Further it would make the distinction between the (at least) two Jack Harkness'. Bearing in mind that this primarily a Doctor Who wiki, is it not sensible to suppose that searches for Captain Jack Harkness would more likely lead to a character search rather than the name of a TV story/Torchwood story! I dont agree with you that the current set up is fine sorry! The Librarian 15:26, 16 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Well I would assume that anyone familiar with wikis would know that character articles never begin with titles, but with second names. Further, if a person did search for Captain Jack Harkness the character and came to the episode page instead, they would simply realize they had made a mistake and go to the correct page. Both pages link to the main disambiguation page, which as the name suggests is there to clarify ambiguous links. Doug86 23:42, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

IP editing
I want to help this wiki but can't be bothered to create an account. Can I just edit under an IP? 121.72.207.139 05:29, 19 March 2009 (UTC).

WTF?
I was editing stuff on Atheism wiki, and suddenly got this message from you. What is a "Tardis wiki". Some sort of star trek site? BTW isn't that David Badiel or something? Notdavros 10:11, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Quotation Marks
According to Tardis:Manual of style, story titles should be in "quotation marks", not italics. Please do not vandalise pages by removing properly placed quotation marks and replacing them with italics. -- solar penguin/(talk)/(contribs) 09:02, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Recent Troubles with Torchwood and Planet of the Dead rumours deletions
One might think that that user need to be blocked

Psychic Paper
Would you mind fixing my edit on the mentioned paged I tryed to add Planet of the Dead to the info box and It did not work Bigshowbower 10:48, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Deletion of Hartnell episode name redirects unwarranted
I see you deleted my redirect from "Bell of Doom". I have re-created that redirect, in the hopes you will not delete it again. It is important to maintain these episode title redirects, and indeed it is inconsistent to allow some (like "The Dead Planet"), while disallowing this one. "Bell of Doom" is important to maintain, in particular, because it has a number of unique features that are not part of The Massacre as a whole. For instance, it is only true to say that the setting of "Bell" — and not the serial as a whole — includes then-modern London. It is also the only episode for which Donald Tosh receives a writing credit. Without being able to link to this particular episode, it is more difficult to precisely define Tosh's actual on-screen credit. In my opinion, all Hartnell episodes should be uniformly linkable by their individual titles so that discussion on related pages can be easily and specifically referenced.  Czech Out  ☎ | ✍  16:49, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

sitenotice
Hi, I'm Scott from Wikia Entertainment. I wanted to let your community know about a giveaway on Terminator Wiki to win tickets to a screening of the new Terminator movie. If it's okay with you, I'd like to put a link in your sitenotice to help bring it some attention. Please let me know if you have any questions. Thanks! 05:15, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Comic infoboxes
Because of your past work on filling out a lot of comic-related material, your views are invited on a proposal to radically alter the comic infobox. Please come to the forum thread and give your views. Thanks!  Czech Out  ☎ | ✍  17:05, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

My Changes
It seems to me it looks better, but I could be wrong so revert them, Im not fussed Bigshowbower 09:43, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

The Darksmith Legacy
What would you suggest I head the Time-Vampire/ Parisian Vampire / unspecified creature as? Not sure....got a good picture of it though! The Librarian 00:24, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm torn between either "Parisian Vampire" or "Parisian vampire" -- not sure because I haven't read the book myself. Doug86 09:56, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Join the club!
Hey, would you like to join the Gallifreyan club at User talk:Doc Who10. You can get badges and awards! Cheers! -- Twelfth Doctor K-9.jpg( TARDIS Console Room )

Editing Posts
Hi Doug, love the work you've been doing on the wiki. I just wondered, when you edit a post, for instance Dalek, could you edit everything you want and then save it, instead of editing one section and saving it, then doing it to the next. It's just I watch several of the pages you edit, and it would mean less emails in my inbox if you edited the whole thing and saved it. I know it seems like a stupid thing to comment about, but when it happens two nights in a row... Thanks for your cooperation. Will101 21:29, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Infoboxes
See the discussion over on the Tardis talk:Infobox development the changes made to the Template: Infobox Individual have been discussed and are part of making the infoboxes work far better. The changes made to the Infobox Individual did not change the functionality, and only collapsed sections that are not needed. --Tangerineduel 12:30, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Page deletion
Hi Doug -- does this wiki have a policy or process for deleting pages? I didn't see one on a quick look through your policy pages.

I've gotten an email request from Claudia Dudman to have her stub page removed, as she's a private person who would prefer not to appear in the wiki. Would you please do this for her, in accord with our general policy about pages about living people? Thank you very kindly, — Catherine (talk) 22:03, 4 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi Doug, could you please explain why you restored this page, deleted as a courtesy to someone who contacted us about it politely? I tried to contact you about it first, but didn't get a response.  Can you please tell me how you would like me to handle this?  Thanks!  — Catherine (talk) 19:53, 6 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm just going to butt in where I'm not wanted. I've read and understand the policy you cite, Catherine, but I'd like invite Ms. Dudman, or you on her behalf, to share why this article violates her right to privacy. It simply lists a credit that is also published in a magazine. It does not contain any information that is not already publicly available, and is certainly less than a Google search would likely reveal about her (or anyone else). I think a review of any similar articles on this wiki would show that they are consistent in only concerning themselves with only the professional aspects of such persons.
 * Of course, if Ms. Dudman is adamant, I concur that the policy is clear-cut. But I'd rather she join the community of this wiki, which I've found to be extremely respectful and professional. (Heck, if they tolerate me...)
 * I know it probably goes without saying, but I'm not attempting to speak for Doug86 or anyone but myself. Monkey with a Gun 07:20, 7 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the thoughtful response, Monkey. I agree that you've done nothing wrong by creating the article, and that the information that she did this work is verifiable public knowledge. This was less a policy decision than a courtesy, in the spirit of not going against an article subject's wishes.  She has moved on from her work with Doctor Who, and does not wish this very small credit from her resume to appear in search results for her name.  If the article had been more substantial I would certainly have encouraged her to engage the community in dialogue about it, but in regard to a one-sentence stub I didn't feel asking her to "argue her case" was the best or kindest choice, when she was very clear about her wishes.  I apologize if I made a poor judgment call.


 * How should we proceed? — Catherine (talk) 14:51, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Spelling
Nice work on the spelling. Sorry for making work for you.--Skittles the hog 21:23, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for infobox
Notice that you put infobox:object on my new page for Fission gun. I am Fairly new to writing wiki pages and couldn't figure out how to do it. Please can you tell me how to put infoboxes on my pages.

--Dragonmaster79 14:35, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Discont, Error and Plot
If your not too busy, there have been some ip on some Third/Fourth Doc stories Discont Error and Plot, I was wondering if you could look over the edits incase ive missed anything. Bigshowbower 13:23, 25 August 2009 (UTC) =DWAS= Hi! was wondering if you could restore Doctor Who Appreciation Society (DWAS) in favour of Doctor Who Appreciation Society? Simply because I've changed the references and didn't want to link a DWAS page. I was sorting it when you 'interupted'. Rather than redirect just delete the other. Thanks The Librarian 01:27, September 6, 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually I'm pretty sure that the name of the organization is "Doctor Who Appreciation Society", and not "Doctor Who Appreciation Society (DWAS)", as DWAS is just their initials. Doug86 01:32, September 6, 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, but the article heading if you want to be pedantic doesnt state that this is a page headed by the organisation name only does it. Not only that but people of a 'certain age' will know the name DWAS (without dots denoting an abbreviation!. Furthermore DWAS was used in the title of a number of fanproduced items that were published on closer inspection by the Doctor Who Appreciation Society.

I just thought that as people have both terms of reference for the same thing it would be easier....obviously not as you disagree and have changed it all back. So can I ask you do a DWAS page with a redirect to Doctor Who Appreciation Society. So that both versions can be linked, a third if you want to have D.W.A.S. The Librarian 21:35, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

PS Germ Warfare...sorted! thanks for that one, ill replace the black and white (DWA CS7) picture at some stage. The Librarian 21:35, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

A plea from the Librarian
I really appreciate all the help in tidying up my pages, especially the categories bits which Im crap at to be honest - I know if I used them more I'd get better! But could you just hold off (even for a half hour) between changes because I usually do pages in blocks and frequently swop between them tidying up (some of it anyway), as I go and Im getting quite a few conflicts in editing. Thanks. Oh by the way, I am curious where in the world you are working from! The Librarian 23:53, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

Redirect vs Deletion
Me again! Hi! would you explain to me why you choose to redirect and not delete pages. (A specific example being Allhallows Street).The reason I ask is that by adding a redirect it doesn't appear to remove it from the list of orphaned pages AND I think it makes the 'new' page look clumsy with "this page is redirected". The Librarian 01:08, September 8, 2009 (UTC)


 * If an article is found to have been misspelled, the proper way to deal with it is to move it to the proper article name, not to create a new page with the same content and delete the old page. This way the page's history is preserved. Doug86 01:58, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

First Doctor Vortis Timeline
I noticed you recently edited the continuity sections of the Vortis based First doctor stories to add On the Web Planet into the mix. The order you placed them in though, doesn't seem to make sense with the order that the stories from the 1966 annual seem to present. Since there isn't a summary for On the Web Planet, I created a forum post at The First Doctor's visits to Vortis to see if anyone has information that could help figure out the proper placement for all these stories. I was hoping you could explain how you came to the order you used. Thanks! --Raukodraug 02:42, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

Shaila Bux article
I just happened to, at random, come across the Shaila Bux article. I noticed the article lists a date of death, however this is not sourced and was originally added by an unregistered IP user (I'm mentioning this because you edited the addition for format). I did a Google and I couldn't find anything to support this, and in fact it even looks like she has an active Facebook page. Were you able to confirm at your end that she is in fact dead, or were you simply editing for format (I know I'm asking you to think back about 18 months). If not, I might be inclined to remove this as uncertain information. 23skidoo 02:25, September 29, 2009 (UTC)
 * I was just about to contact you regarding Claudia Dudman being removed from links - is there something Im missing?, when I saw this bit about Shaila Bux. Curious. If she is supposed to have died, why is she still choosing favourite moments from Doctor Who and Doctor Who Magazine. I hope to be contacting DWA shortly to raise a couple of questions that have been knawing away slowly and thought these comments were not a good advert for the site if the information is incorrect. Please clarify for me. Thanks The Librarian 20:28, October 23, 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok got the Claudia reference (?) sorry about that I'll try and remember! The Librarian 20:34, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

Donna Category
Hello, sorry to take your time with what could be a trivial matter, but a recent unregistered user has created a Category (see subject line) and a page called "Lauren Cooper". Ive added a Proposed deletion tag on the pages but the user deleted it and they also added a Proposed deletion tag on my person page as well. I just thought you would like to know. Thanks Bigshowbower 04:30, September 30, 2009 (UTC)

Eve
There are 2 Eve characters now so it is only right that they should be correctly labelled so my change was correct. Michael Downey 20:29, October 24, 2009 (UTC)


 * There should be more than two characters with the same name to make a disambiguation page. Doug86 20:33, October 24, 2009 (UTC)

Okay fair enough delete the disambiguation page but I have labelled the pages properly so Eve itself is empty. Michael Downey 20:35, October 24, 2009 (UTC)

STOP moving my page Tangerineduel has just said I could move the page instead of copying so that's what I did MOVE IT BACK Michael Downey 12:08, October 25, 2009 (UTC)