Talk:Flesh and Stone (TV story)

Angels Moving
We see the Angels move very slightly when they grab the Doctor. One of the Angels readjust their grasp. It is obvious that this is meant to be obvious, and it is before the scene where they notice Amy isn't looking at them.

The Doctor's Jacket
I don't know if this is worthy of putting into the article or not, but in the ter, railer, it shows the doctor without his tweed jacket, then at the end, it shows him losing it. --Semian2 23:57, April 25, 2010 (UTC)

I noticed that this is down as a production error in the main page. If you watch closely, the Doctor loses his jacket before meeting up with the others and is then not seen with his jacket for the rest of the episode, apart from when he speaks to Amy. However, just before this his voice fades off as he moves away with River. It seems highly likely that this is a future Doctor who has crossed his own timestream (riskily!) and come to talk to Amy for a particular reason.Neil DG 22:54, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

It's too obvious to be a production error. Crazy as it sounds, your theory about a future Doctor is probably right. I don't think this should be listed as a production error. Watch the scene. Everything is different about the Doctor's demeanor when he comes back to talk to Amy. Even the way he kisses her on the forehead. It all fits. That Doctor has known her for a longer time - and has come to love her. (In a "friend" kind of way, I mean. This episode certainly shattered the idea of a Doctor/companion romance.) There must be something extremely significant in the Eleventh Hour... Bluebox444 23:49, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

Digital Spy spoilers
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I realize these don't always turn out to be correct, but at least they seem worth mentioning the the Rumors section. Well, some of them. I'll list them here:

1. Eureka! Galileo!

2. Amy: "Basically we've *** up the inside of a *******."

3. The Byzantium contains a forest. Yes, a forest.

4. Amy: "Seven."

5. There's a scene reminiscent of a scene from 'Doomsday'.

6. Amy: "Six."

7. What's the opposite of the moral from 'Blink'?

8. River has done something very, very naughty.

9. There's a very important date you'll want to mark in your diaries/iPhones/Google calendars come the end of this episode.

10. The crack. We finally learn what it is and what it wants.

11. Amy does something to The Doctor that prompts an epiphany. And a collection.

10 certainly seems important. #8 implies that we'll get on-screen confirmation of the River-murder-prison thing. #11 substantiates the rumors that the Amy-Doctor kiss from the series trailer will be in this episode (although the fact that Amy is wearing the right clothes already did that). Of the rest, everything seems either vague or unimportant (except for #4 and #6 as fuel for the speculative "countdown as a story arc" theory). --Falcotron 21:37, April 27, 2010 (UTC)

It can already be confirmed that 3 is correct, since we saw the images in the trailer for Flesh And Stone. Also, in 7, the moral from Blink was "Don't Blink" so the opposite is, obviously, "Don't open your eyes." And since in the trailer for this week, we've already heard the Doctor telling Amy not to open her eyes, this is obviously important. -- Musedae 19:24, April 29, 2010 (UTC)

Amy
In one of the clips released today (before the episode), the Doctor is shown trying to get Amy to remember what he told her when she was 7, which apparently upsets the Doctor as she doesn't remember. That coupled with the fact that she doesn't remember the Daleks at all further suggests something has been tampering around with her head. Adam 148 07:37, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

Amy's sudden attraction to The Doctor
It was incredibly out of character for her. Any ideas?

Please sign your posts. And out of character? It's completely IN character. She's had four psychiatrists, bitten them, she's nuts, she took the risk of killing thousands of people on the starship UK and she's grown up in admiration of the Doctor. Plus he's saved her life. It's hardly sudden, she's had 14 years to fall for him. Mc hammark 20:09, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Hammark. This is entirely in character, though very unexpected. ~Fan555

I also agree with Hammark, Amy is CRAZY. Steven Moffat said it in an interview for DWM. - BillyWilliam3rd

Her expression when watching him dress in The Eleventh Hour suggested she was attracted to him too I think Carnivius Prime 20:28, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

I totally agree, Carnivius Prime. ~ BillyWilliam3rd

Though we all have to remember that there's something VERY strange going on with Amy Pond, aside from the fact that she's crazy. I think there might be two different time lines running almost in sync with one another. After all, things don't seem to be working the way that they should! Musedae 01:02, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

The Doctor's Age
He's lying about it again. At the end of the episode he protests to Amy that he is 907 years old. Now, this doesn't correspond with End of Time where he claimed he was 906. And for the Doctor it can't have been more than, what, a week since his regeneration? Of course, he could have celebrated it in that week but there's been no mention of it thus far. Adam 148 20:18, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

Somehow I doubt that the Doctor celebrates his birthday after 907 years. Mc hammark 20:22, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

Could you even begin to imagine the wax required for birthday candles? Ghadius 20:27, May 1, 2010 (UTC)Ghadius

I didn't mean 'celebrate' as in 'throw a party', I meant, 'celebrate' as in, 'you're a year older now'. There was absolutely no mention of it until that point. Adam 148 20:31, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, but we have to think wether a year works the same for the doctor, with all the wizzing around time and space. Also, at the age of 907, would he even acknowledge a birthday?Fan555 20:34, May 1, 2010 (UTC)Fan555

Lunar Eclipse
Ok, looking up 26th June 2010, I've discovered that it's a partial lunar eclipse that day, and stonehenge is believed to be a lunar eclipse computer. Now where have I seen stonehenge before? Mc hammark 20:25, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

You are good. To good. Are you sure you are not working for Moffat, trying to throw us off the scent? ~Fan555

I WISH. Let's just say, I'm very good at research. Mc hammark 20:31, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

I hven't really thought bout it. But i have aways been intrested with Stonehenge and River Song in the Series 5 trailer ~ BillyWilliam3rd

Could Stonehenge be the Pandorica? River says the next time the Doctor sees her, the Pandorica will open, though I didn't notice River at the Stonehenge. Will watch the trailer again thoughFan555 20:38, May 1, 2010 (UTC)Fan555

Yeah, you can just see like the back of her head or something. Its hard to spot ~ BillyWilliam3rd

OMG, have we solved the Pandorica Mystery!? Fan555 20:41, May 1, 2010 (UTC) Fan555

Double Doctor?
In the forest, as The Doctor, River and Father Octavion are heading to find the main flight deck, The Doctor cuffs her head and says "Amy, later!" He is wearing only his striped shirt and his suspenders on his upper body. But moments later, he returns, with his sleeves ROLLED UP (when did this happen?!) WEARING HIS JACKET. She doesn't remember what he told her when she was 7. He's visibly closer, and more afraid for her at this moment. He kisses her forehead. Next scene, he's not wearing his jacket, his sleeves are rolled down and he's far more aloof. This is way too obvious to be a production error. It's Doctor Who, guys. That's way too big. There's something we still don't know. Musedae 01:30, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Why have you posted here: http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Flesh_and_Stone#The_Doctor.27s_Jacket.3D.3D and then posted this section? - Looq 03:00, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Because I wasn't sure if it had gone through, as my internet went all wobbly. I'll go edit it out in a moment. ALSO: that section is exclusively about the Doctor LOSING his jacket, where as this one focuses on how he seemingly didn't have a jacket, then appeared with one, and then appeared without one within a two minute frame. Musedae 02:08, May 2, 2010 (UTC)