Talk:The End of Time (TV story)/Archive 1

For Reference
Sources for everyone are here, I may copy them over later when I have time if no one else does. --Golden Monkey 20:01, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Two Episodes, One Title
While multiple episodes of the old series often carried a single title, the new series has provided a separate title for each episode. Over at Life, Doctor Who & Combom he posted a rumor that the episode title for 4.17 will be Nightmares Reign and that 4.18 will be The End of Time. [Source]

The End of Time
The End of Time is not necessarily the title, it is just a tag line, the title in unconfirmed. Remember the end of Journey's End - trailer for The Next Doctor, which had a tag line "The Return of the Cybermen", this is exactly the same. Whoniverse93 23:59, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree. Since information is now available regarding the specials, we need an article, so giving it a title is as good as any, but it needs some sort of disclaimer that this may not be the official title. I will add one. 23skidoo 19:22, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Title
DWM 412 has confirmed The End of Time as the title of the final episode, at least. 23skidoo 21:18, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Regarding the title, would anyone object If I link Part 1 to this page? Bigshowbower 07:38, September 2, 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't see the harm, since we don't yet have confirmation what the title of Part 1 is, but we do know it's going to be a "Part 1" so the whole discussion should be kept to one article, at least until we know enough to split things up. 23skidoo 23:52, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

The Brigadier?
It says on the page about the Brigadier that it has been "confirmed" he is appearing in this episode. If this is true then his name needs adding to the characters list.


 * There was no citation/source regarding his appearance so its highly unlikely if it was true and remember to sign your posts as well Bigshowbower 00:40, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

Suggest move to The End of Time
I know that, generally speaking, the first episode/book/comic, etc to use a title gets the undisambiguated version of the title. In this case, The End of Time takes us to the Darksmith Legacy novella which was published just today. However, The End of Time is a major milestone in the franchise, and will be getting a lot of attention. As a result a lot of people will be looking for it, and end up sidetracked by the book article. And lots of people will be linking to "The End of Time" in various articles, without knowing or thinking to add "(TV story)". I foresee a mess. For this reason, I would like to recommend that the two articles switch places, that the TV episode article become the main, undisambiguated The End of Time, while the novella be moved to The End of Time (book) or The End of Time (novel). Thoughts? 23skidoo 13:48, September 24, 2009 (UTC)


 * There shouldn't be any issues with in going ahead with this. (Though probably novel rather than book or novella for the Darksmith novel). --Tangerineduel 15:40, September 25, 2009 (UTC)


 * I've created a disambig page at The End of Time which links off to The End of Time (novel) and The End of Time (TV story).

Harriet Jones?
how can she be still alive after being extermionated by the daleks? Sclera1 22:39, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

It could be a flashback of her before she was exterminated. Dalig Ulv Stranden 11:23, October 10, 2009 (GMT)
 * Also, there's been plenty of speculation as to whether she actually died since she didn't die on camera. And besides, if a certain villain can come back after being cremated by the Doctor... 23skidoo 21:51, October 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * Also no one knows she died because the Daleks where told to destroy the Subwave network and if Harriet Jones got shot how did the screen go blank at the same time, It can't have because the Daleks obviously destroyed the subwave network and then we don't know what happened to Harriet Jones therefore she could still be alive. Michael Downey 23:49, October 21, 2009 (UTC)


 * We didn't actually see her die did we, considering the fact that she has had such a big role in Doctor Who if she really was killed I think they would have shown it. That would have been quite an iconic moment.

Source needed for Matt Smith
I just got a note on my talk page from a newbie who is convinced Smith won't appear in End of Time and the regeneration will happen in season 5. Although I'm taking that with a grain of salt, we should have a source cited for Matt Smith appearing in the episode as the Eleventh Doctor. Has this actually been confirmed by anyone, or is it just supposition. If it's just supposition then technically we can't list him yet, because we don't know that he'll actually appear. For all we know it could end the way Stolen Earth ended, mid-regeneration, with Smith appearing on camera for the first time in the following episode. Odds are one of the sources already used for this will suffice, but if one user is of the opinion he doesn't appear, there will be others. 23skidoo 21:51, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

Ood Sphere
LIzo Mzimba has seen The Waters of Mars and tweeted about the End of Time trailer: " First scene of next special will be shown at Children In Need. Which is 3 minutes of the Doctor arriving on the Ood sphere."

The Gate
Something interesting, perhaps.

There have now been two references to an object or place called 'The Gate'; both suggest that it has some importance to the final story. In ‘The Wedding of Sarah Jane Smith (part 2)’, The Trickster mentions that the Gate is waiting for the Doctor. It was also referenced in an interview that Russell T. Davies did with the Radio Times for the release of The Next Doctor. His exact wording was:

“After that, we’ll be heading towards the momentous day when the key to that blue box is passed on, and the 11th Doctor storms into your lives. Just think of the adventures to come. Though, you’ll still have David at the helm of the Tardis this time next year. But oh, what a Christmas that’s going to be. Let’s just say that dark forces are gathering already. The Gate is waiting and life will never be the same again…”

I still have the orginal Radio Times document, if needed. Slartibarto 18:21, October 30, 2009 (UTC)


 * The gate refers to death and death refers to regeneration and regeneration refers to Time Lords and Time Lords refer to Daleks and the Daleks refer to the Doctor and the Doctor brings with him the gate. Or regeneration can refer to Capt. Jack, but that's off subject. Lordandmaster 08:48, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

Should it be noted...
...that this is probaly another children of time episode? I hated the previous one! Lordandmaster 16:36, November 3, 2009 (UTC)


 * No because this is a Doctor Who episode not a Torchwood episode, and keep those comments to the forum as well. Bigshowbower 09:22, November 4, 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't mean children of earth, I said children of time! Time is what Caan used to descibe the Doctor's companians! Lordandmaster 20:23, November 4, 2009 (UTC)


 * No we do not know what role the companions will play in the story, and again keep it the forums. Bigshowbower 02:59, November 5, 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay. But I thought that the idea was done already, as all the new series companians meeting up. So I thought it was worth noting, but if you tell me not to then I won't. However if the Master even mutters children of time, it will be up there in a flash. Lordandmaster 09:26, November 7, 2009 (UTC)


 * I think I came off as a bit rude in those posts Im sorry, but yes you should if he does mutter Children of Time. And thank you for thinking I was an admin, I wish I were though, Oh just remeber to sign your posts as well. Bigshowbower 10:33, November 6, 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay and thanks. Lordandmaster 09:26, November 7, 2009 (UTC)