User talk:NateBumber

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No problem, but in the future, if someone has replied to or referenced your post, you must correct it in a new post, not in the original. This is to avoid confusion. Shambala108 ☎  00:46, October 17, 2019 (UTC)

Re: 10000
Hi, I'm not going to go over every point made in the original forum threads, but my main concern came from comments (or quotes) by the author regarding other people using his licensed characters. This was mostly mentioned in the original post, so we don't have a record for it, but that was my concern, that the freedom with this licensing would lead to later abuse. Since you've participated in many inclusion debates you will probably have noticed that there are users on this wiki who will vote yes for inclusion for pretty much anything that comes along. There was an earlier inclusion debate (and I spent a lot of time looking for it and still hope to find it) where User:CzechOut decided that the story in question was not worth including because of other issues it would cause (and, since I can't find it yet, I don't remember the details). Sometimes we have to vote against something because including it isn't worth the trouble it could/will cause.

And please don't nit-pick my words into claiming that this decision now means that Benny and Iris, two long-standing series on this wiki, should be declared invalid. They are not even remotely similar to this case.

As for your questions about Death's Head, I didn't close the one of those that allowed inclusion, but it was established long ago that most of the Marvel stuff is not valid, just because one or two stories are.

Basically what this one boiled down to is that three admins felt this work did not follow our requirements, and while I tried to address several points in my closing post (obviously not making myself very clear), it's the issues raised by these three admins that pointed me in the direction I took.

Hope this answers your questions. Shambala108 ☎  22:42, October 23, 2019 (UTC)

"The Minister of Chance"
I didn't know it at the time, but I certainly do now. Thank you nevertheless!

And indeed, I intended to restart the inclusion debate on it when I'm fully caught-up, although actually, you might do it, if you're more knowledgeable about it than ?

See — don't know if you're aware — there was a Minister of Chance inclusion debate, closed because… the author doesn't have the rights to the Time Lord species, and so this technically cannot be the same Minister of Chance. Which, I mean, is IMO an unbelievably weak sort of rationale given that by this same reasoning Iris Wildthyme and Faction Paradox should be invalidated en masse even though the decision in both these debates was that no, the character is still the character even if the story isn't specifically allowed to say they're a Time Lord. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎  15:21, December 13, 2019 (UTC)

Re: NPA
Hi, there are a couple of things I want to say about the post in question. I have noticed several times in the past that you have gone to great lengths to make sure someone isn't offended by something you've said. Hopefully you would appreciate having admin input to protect you from someone who might accuse you of personal attacks.
 * First of all, I was merely trying to restrain some of the crap that we had in the first two versions of this debate, where we had people constantly accusing each other of off-topic, personal attacks, etc. My main goal was to keep everyone else on track.
 * Second, while your reading of Tardis:No personal attacks makes theoretical sense, it has two practical flaws:
 * First, only admins can block people, so obviously admins have a say in the matter.
 * Second, many new users don't realize how strict we want to be about personal attacks. Many sites allow all kinds of rude crap out there, to the point that some people think that's the norm. That's why admins have to step in and define personal attacks for people who don't realize that we don't allow that.

Thanks for your attention. Shambala108 ☎  01:19, January 12, 2020 (UTC)


 * Yes and that balance is better than Universe C, where people get offended easily, even when one of their edits get reverted, and run to an admin complaining of personal attacks by users who never meant such a thing. Shambala108 ☎  03:27, January 14, 2020 (UTC)