User talk:Angel Bill

Welcome to the Angel Bill Thanks for your edits at User:Angel Bill! We hope you'll keep on editing with us. This is a great time to have joined us, because now you can play the Game of Rassilon with us and win cool stuff! Well, okay, badges. That have no monetary value. And that largely only you can see. But still: they're cool! We've got a couple of important quirks for a Wikia wiki, so let's get them out of the way first.

British English, please

We generally use British English round these parts, so if you're American, please be sure you set your spell checker to BrEng, and take a gander at our spelling cheat card.

Spoilers aren't cool

We have a strict definition of "spoiler" that you may find a bit unusual. Basically, a spoiler, to us, is anything that comes from a story which has not been released yet. So, even if you've got some info from a BBC press release or official trailer, it basically can't be referenced here. In other words, you gotta wait until the episode has finished its premiere broadcast to start editing about its contents. Please check the spoiler policy for more details.

Other useful stuff

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 * the listing of all our help, policy and guideline pages
 * our Manual of Style
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Images
Please do not upload images that have a visible network logo in them (i.e. BBC, CBBC, Ten). This is a cause for image deletion and will get your pictures deleted. Thanks. MM/ Want to talk? 17:03, December 27, 2011 (UTC)

Reply
Because I have not got round to deleting them yet. Nor will I for some time. I have spent several weeks going through all the unused images and deleted about 500 odd - with about half of them being because they had network logos in them.

It's not just you that have upload photos and had them deleted, so don't play that card - several Users have upload photos for pages and I have had to delete them since they had network logos in them. It's not just yours. Thanks. MM/ Want to talk? 13:57, January 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * I am not deleting any current images that are in use at this moment in time. I will at some point in the future. Both those images are in use. MM/ Want to talk? 14:28, January 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * Just to pitch to this discussion a few days late, please see T:IUP ADMIN.  22:14: Thu 12 Jan 2012

Eleventh Doctor's Companions
The Template:Companions of the Eleventh Doctor page needs editing to include Madge Arwell and her children from the christmas special. This is a problem you see, as the page has been locked from editing. If anyone's reading this, please do something about it.

Simon Fisher-Becker photo
Hi :) Thanks for trying to improve the article at Simon Fisher-Becker with a photo.  However, please do not ever again choose a license you know is inaccurate.  It doesn't do any good to choose a license just to avoid automatic deletion.  It's especially worrying that you chose public domain, as it cannot possibly be in the public domain.

We cannot accurately assist you in choosing a license after the fact. We don't know where you got the image. It might be a publicity image from Fisher-Becker's website for the purposes of illustrating his resumeé — in which case the license would be promotional. Or it might be a personal picture on his website under "family photos", in which case it shouldn't be uploaded at all.

If you have questions about a picture, please put a URL to the photo on an administrator's talk page and have them make a determination. Again, please do not just choose something and hope someone will later correct your work.

Remember that we have illustrations on this site only through the grace of the copyright holders (and "fair use" laws). We need to show that we are trying to care about their copyright interests, by representing the copyright situation as accurately as we can. 21:10: Sun 01 Jan 2012
 * Sorry, but another wiki isn't a valid source. The Harry Potter wiki doesn't own the image, therefore they can't license it.  I went back through their licensing system and found that it originated, as far as they were concerned, with the http://actorsandwriters.org.uk page.  However, that page clearly states that copyright is retained by other parties.  So we can't use it, unless you can establish that it is his headshot from his agent, because that would be a legitimate  publicity shot.  My advice, if you really want to use that image, is to definitively establish that it's the headshot on his agent's webpage. (Chances are that it's exactly that.)  Basically, you need a link to the original source of the image, and that source must be trying to publicize him.   22:32: Sun 01 Jan 2012

A few points
I know it's frustrating to get so many notes from admin so soon after you've joined. But please don't give up! We're really not trying to harrass you. We're just trying to instruct you in the sometimes peculiar way we do things around here. Your contributions are appreciated!

That said. ..

I notice that you've had an exchange with Mini-mitch in which you seem to be arguing that because other pictures with network logos exist on the site, he had no cause to delete yours. This is an understandable, but incorrect, viewpoint. To use a real world analogy, just because you don't get caught for embezzlement doesn't mean you're not liable for it when you steal from your company's coffers. Please see T:IUP ADMIN.

Relatedly, please read the entirety of T:ICC, T:IUP LIST and T:IUP FAIR to get a good overview of our image requirements. I again had to delete a file you uploaded today, for multiple violations of our basic image use policy.

As for the 5:02 page, well, a page that's a string of numbers just won't be searchable. By convention, we've tended to name alternate universe's by the name of a key person associated with that universe, following in the tradition of "Pete's World". This is not really set in policy, and there's some argument that those except for Pete's World (which is specifically in the dialogue of an episode) should be done via the name of the story, as with Parallel universe (Inferno) or Parallel Earth (Who's Who?). Our nomenclature in this dusty and unused corner of the database clearly needs to be hammered out a bit. But two things are certain: So that's why your article was deleted.
 * 1) There's already an article on this subject at River Song's World, and to the extent that the article talked about the date, at the 22 April page.
 * 2) Naming anything by a string of numbers is highly confusing and not terribly searchable.

Another thing to think about. We're a pretty big wiki. Not the biggest, by any means, but we are one of the original 100 Wikia wikis. We have scores of editors working on this site. Around the time that new episodes are aired, that number jumps up to around 300 daily, and sometimes is as high as 800. If this were the week after The Wedding of River Song was aired, I can understand that you might well think we didn't have an article about it. But it's been three months now.

In general, the further we are from the initial broadcast of an article, the less likely it is that we'll need an article on a subject from that episode. You'll want to do a search, often best accomplished by scanning the story page itself carefully, before you start an article on something from that article. You might also poke around likely categories.

We don't always have an article on everything from an episode by 3 months after the fact, but we often do, especially when it comes to BBC Wales Doctor Who episodes. Generally, the things we really need by this point after an episode airs is articles on the people and characters involved, especially the crew. Most of the "fun" in-universe stuff has already been started. 19:04: Mon 02 Jan 2012

Combined articles
Please discuss articles such as the one you attempted to create for The Hungry Earth and Cold Blood. In attempting to create an article like that you created a sub-page and claimed all the posted information as being created by you, as you were the poster. We treat each named story on this wiki as a single article. The End of Time was clearly titled as parts 1 and 2. Raise a topic in the forums if you wish to discuss changing major elements of the wiki such as this. Thanks. --Tangerineduel / talk 14:54, January 3, 2012 (UTC)

Stop
Please stop adding redundant categories now. Categories such as 'Stories with a narration', 'Stories in which the story title is said in the episode' and 'Stories that do not featuring anything to do with the sotry arc' are completely pointless.

They are being removed and in doing so are wasting the time of other editors. I now you are new to editing here, but do not go around adding reduntant categories.

Some categories are good: such as 'Stories in which the episode take place at the same time as it set' (or something similiar). Thanks. MM/ Want to talk? 16:29, January 3, 2012 (UTC)

Categories
Hi. Please raise the subject of categories you wish to create in the forums as I'm not sure how we should go about integrating any of the categories you've thus far tried to create into our category tree, or if they're even necessary. If the issue is raised in the Forum then we can get community comments on about it. Further edits along the lines of adding categories prior to community discussion may be viewed as vandalism. --Tangerineduel / talk 16:42, January 9, 2012 (UTC)

David Warner
Please bring the above-linked articles up to minimum standards. It must have:
 * real world at the top
 * a use of imdb name under a heading of  at the bottom
 * appropriate categories (if you don't have one, you may have to create one, such as category:K9 writers and attach it to category:K9 crew)
 * an appropriate stub tag, such as TV writer stub

You may also find it convenient to use the Preloadable formats system, and pull down to the appropriate pre-written format.

Thanks :)  22:09: Thu 12 Jan 2012