User talk:Revanvolatrelundar

Wikipedia plots
Please do not copy wikipedia plots, especially without giving credit. And there is no need to add a link to the page on the page, this just makes the link bold and serves no purposes. Thank-you. The Thirteenth Doctor 12:44, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

i didnt add the plot, just fixed the crazy box error Revanvolatrelundar 12:48, August 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * In defence of Revanvolatrelundar it was an IP editor who added the plot from Wikipedia, not Revanvolatrelundar, Revanvolatrelundar just happened to be the next user to edit the article. --Tangerineduel 12:50, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry, my mistake. I just saw that he made a large edit and assumed it was him. You have no idea how much of an ass I feel now. Sorry again. The Thirteenth Doctor 17:15, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

Past tense
Going over some of your recent edits to the eighth Doctor's page, I noticed you sometimes put in information in the present tense. Please remember that because the article is in-universe, everything should be in past tense. Thanks. The Thirteenth Doctor 14:24, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

if you look at the edits im going over some other contributors edits and cealning up what they say, and i must say its poorly written and some may have rubbed off on me Revanvolatrelundar 14:29, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

just had another look and the section your talking about was written by another user that ive been trying to clean up Revanvolatrelundar 14:32, August 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * I did check the histories. In this edit it was minor, you replaced "materialized" with "materialises". In this and this, however the tense is is more noticeable. Do you mean you were you just copying the paragraphs that were written by other users? --The Thirteenth Doctor 17:32, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * yeah thats what i meant, ive been getting summaries from various sites and putting them in my own words from the original text one those last couple of edits and some words must have skipped my attention when i wrote them in wrong tense. Revanvolatrelundar 17:36, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok. I just like to check up and make sure that users know so they don't end up doing it all across the wiki. Better to be safe and sorry than simply sorry. :) --The Thirteenth Doctor 17:45, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

Unused sections
Please don't remove sections from infoboxes as you did with the Blood of the Cybermen Cybermen in this edit. Thanks. The Thirteenth Doctor 11:36, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

didnt realise i did Revanvolatrelundar 11:38, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

in fact dont they get automatticaly deleted when not being used, i think i heard tangerineduel say that once Revanvolatrelundar 11:39, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

it was in rich text so that would explain it, it can do some crazy things to edits... like that blue quote box thing when you paste certain things. i just edit things in the mode it gives me, perhaps its time ot start using source mode now :) Revanvolatrelundar 11:50, August 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Do they? Oh well, never mind then. I've never seen them, or heard of them, being removed automatically before, so that's why I mentioned it. If you didn't then that's fine. Do you not use the source code, or do you edit the template in the Rich Text editor? I think it only removes it if you edit it there, so perhaps it would be better to edit it in the basic mode. The Thirteenth Doctor 11:44, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

no problem, im just glad you spotted it, cos i sure as hell wouldn't :) Revanvolatrelundar 12:02, August 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah... well, even when it's regular users, I just like to make sure they know not to remove the sections. Sorry for the inconvenience. The Thirteenth Doctor 11:59, August 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * The infoboxes used to not work if you removed sections, in between now and then code has been added to most of the infoboxes so that they do work, but it's usually better to keep them in just in case info comes along later that can go into those sections. --Tangerineduel 15:45, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

Delete Tags
Hey, when adding the delete tag, could you put it at the top of the page so it is easily seen by others. I ended up adding a second delete tag to that Unearthly Child page as you put it at the bottom. I know it's not a big problem, but it saves a little time. Thanks. The Thirteenth Doctor 20:22, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

Stubs
Hi, can you please leave the stub tag under the info box, as it is easier for User to see if the article is a stub and it also looks better and saves for have white space at the bottom of the page. Cheers. Mini-mitch, 16:00, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

I moved becuase the article had infobox issues that i thought the stub was causing.Revanvolatrelundar 16:02, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

Canon
Thanks for clearing that up.--Skittles the hog 18:09, October 13, 2010 (UTC)

Yes
Yes and yes.

And thanks :D

~ThePandoricaOpens666 29th October 2010 (UTC)

The Awakening
How on Earth is The Awakening pseudohistorical? Its not a historical episode, it takes place during the 1980s....?

~User:ThePandoricaOpens666 29th October, 2010 (UTC)

Trouble
recently solar dragon has been mean to me!

I would like you to stop this for me in all respects!

Adding delete tags
Hi, I've noticed when you add the delete tag you place it within a Category link like this. You don't need to do this (it actually leaves the [[Category: on the page), just put on the article, and to make it easier for admins to work out why it's been put up for deletion add  (obviously replacing your reason in that area). Thanks. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] 02:03, November 2, 2010 (UTC)

Adding cleanup tags
Plese read the text of the cleanup tag before placing it on a page. It is for major cleanup only. It should really only be employed with the grammar of the article is so bad it can't be understood and when there are obvious factual inaccuracies. It is intended for articles that are a total mess, but whose topics are worth saving. Adding sectional heads is not "major", nor is it necessary for every article. Short subjects, such as Fragile Yellow Arc do not require subheads. Also, there were no grammatical errors within the text, nor is the factual accuracy of the article in doubt. I am therefore taking down your cleanup tag yet again. Please do not put back in place unless you are prepared to start a discussion on the talk page, in which you list the specific areas of fault you find with the article.  Czech Out  ☎ | ✍ 19:21, November 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * With great respect, my recent articles are not "vast text dumps". They are about very limited topics, written in one or two paragraphs, which simply do not require subheads. Yes, I agree that Fragrance itself does, but I wasn't done with that, as my edit history note would've made clear, had you bothered to read it. The other two articles, by contrast, in no way offend the manual of style. There is no rule in the MOS which requires subheads. And, please, if you've not actually experienced the story in question, don't try to edit articles about it. Your recent assertion-by-subhead that the Fragile Yellow Arc had a "purpose" was ludicrous. It's a philosophical concept, not a machine. It doesn't have a purpose. It just is. 19:59, November 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * By way of clarification, I direct your attention to Tardis:Layout guide — an article directly linked by the MOS — which says, "There are a variety of sources of information to write in-universe articles from and as such there is a somewhat different approach that is less constrained because of the sometimes limited amounts of information on in-universe subjects." This guide in turn leads you to Tardis:Guide to in-universe writing which states "the amount and quality of the information on a subject should influence how articles are written". When specifically detailing the case for writing articles about individuals, clear precedent is set for the notion of the short article. In character, this type of article is described as consisting of an infobox "and usually a single paragraph of information". It goes on to note, however, that "some articles . . . contain all their information within the body of the article and do not contain enough information to be summarised within the infobox."


 * Such is precisely the case with these two "Arc" articles. Unless someone has made one while I wasn't looking, an infobox for philosophical constructs doesn't exist on this wiki. And these articles are absolutely fine as a paragraph or two of text. There's nothing more that could be added to them which would improve the definition or use of the concepts. And frankly your rather artifical headlines like "history" and "purpose" don't even describe the text that you would have flowing underneath them.


 * Your belief that every article must have some sort of pre-defined structure of article subheads is simply not the case on this wiki. Please desist with your arbitrary addition of subheads to in-universe articles.  Czech Out  ☎ | ✍ 20:27, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Simpsons
Hi, I was just wondering why you deleted the picture I put on the Simpsons article? Sontar8 09:58, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

The picture was NOT made by the people who design the simpsons but a fan artist, his pictures were on drwho news pages some time ago and they have no place on this wikia. Revanvolatrelundar 10:02, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

I knew that. I just thought they would make the article more interesting. Sorry. Sontar8 10:06, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

Re:Battles in Time info
The pleasure is all mine, it is pretty interesting. --MrThermomanPreacher 19:58, December 9, 2010 (UTC)

Time placement of Running Out of Time
What's you basis for your very specific placement for this story? I can't see how there's anything in the story to place it specifically between these two rather obscure ST stories you cite. What's your rationale for that placement?

Also, Eighth Doctor - Timeline specifically says we're following the Dr. Who Reference Guide inasmuch as the Eighth Doctor is concerned. I opposed that notion, but the desire to have a common frame of reference for the highly confusing Eighth Doctor's timeline won out. And Running Out of Time doesn't appear on that list yet. I haven't checked your many modifications of late, but, by consensus, the list should be the same as the Reference Guide.  Czech Out  ☎ | ✍ 02:19, December 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, but you're using a source that, by consensus, isn't valid for the editing of Eighth Doctor - Timeline. It's supposed to be only the DWRG, so as to keep one voice about things. Although I disagree with the entire exercise of having pages like this, I suppose I do see the wisdom of keeping to a single source, and going with the longest-standing one, because all these fan-run "reference" sites have to resort to arbitrary placement for most stories. Just like the guy doing the DWRG, the guy who's editing "Doctor Who - The Complete Adventures" is just arbitrarily choosing spots for the various moments of Running to have occurred. He's not basing it on any specific content within the story. So when you say that you've done "research" you don't mean that you've actually gone to the stories and tried to confirm what "The Complete Adventures" says. You mean you're just accepting what DWTCA says. But there's nothing actually in the story which links it anywhere. Sure, it could be after An Earthly Child, but it also could be between Death in Blackpool and Situation Vacant. Or before the flashback in The Forgotten. Or right after the TVM. Or after Coda. Or between Izzy's last regular appearance and Where Nobody Knows Your Name. Or before Doctor Who and the Nightmare Game. All that's required for this story are a few spots where the Eighth Doctor is apparently alone. You or I could claim any such spot and it'd be fine. Which is precisely why these timeline pages are a silly waste of time, and why the timeline section on individual story pages should clearly state when there's nothing in a story that suggests any particular time placement.  Czech Out  ☎ | ✍ 18:40, December 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, if the DWRG guide isn't being updated anymore, then you need to go to the forum and open a discussion on how to best replace the previous consensus decision. Before you do, though, you need to make sure it isn't being updated anymore, as opposed to just not having gotten round to putting the latest stories on the site. It's got the First Doctor Box Set ("Farewell Great Macedon" and "The Fragile Yellow Arc of Fragrance"), released at about the same time as Running Out of Time, so I'm not sure why you think it's not being updated.


 * I utterly reject your "best guess" methodology, nor your casual acceptance of "flaws" in articles as being the status quo. Yes, there are errors here, but our job is to get rid of them, not to make more. We should be striving for maximum factual accuracy based upon what the stories tell us. And if the stories don't tell us anything about their time placement, it's okay to flatly say, "We don't know when this story occurs". That's why I'm so thoroughly opposed to these Timeline articles. They present a listing of stories as if it's fact and give absolutely no context for the assumptions underlying the ordering. They are "wordless essays", pure opinions but without explanation. They are not, and never will be, incontrovertible facts. We are contributing to a falsehood by continuing to include them.


 * Just look at your own editing of Running. First you're saying it comes after ...Be Forgot, now you're saying it's An Earthly Child. If your own mind can form two reasonable hypothesis, how many other hypotheses must there be out there? Like I said earlier, all it takes is any one of the many companion-less moments in the Eighth Doctor's life. Thus it is is better and more accurate to just say, "I don't know" than to force any particular placement.


 * But that's just how I feel. Why do you feel that an encyclopedia like ours should be indulging in speculative exercises like this?  Czech Out  ☎ | ✍ 20:01, December 10, 2010 (UTC)

The Master in Spinoff Media
Sorry for doing that, I'm trying to fix up the timelines, it's like a trainwreck, I mean The Tzun Master was the one in The TV Movie, everyone knows that, I think there's just a huge chapter of his life missing.It's just like The Eighth Doctor's regeneration for which I've got three possible theories 1.Died fighting in The Time War, some big battle or something 2.Burned with the Time Lords and the Daleks at The Time War's climax when he seized The Moment or whatever and 3.Went insane from the guilt and mental trauma that ensued after slaughtering his own people, just couldn't bear it any longer. Anyway The Master got turned into a walking corpse by The Source, became John Smith, reverted back to The Master. The audio plays conflict with the novels, it's annoying because the books came first! The audios even fight with each-other, they contradict their own continuity, Ace's adventures with The Doctor, The Genocide Machine, all that, it's being wiped clean. They want a new slate I guess. I reckon it's a jumble of parallel universes and alternate dimensions, various timelines and realities, no universe is the right universe because it's impossible to tell. Canon can't exist, therefore, I rest my case. PaulMcGannIsAwesome11777 11:36, December 11, 2010 (UTC)

Synopsis
The BBC synopsis were added to story articles as fillers, so user generated synopsis can be used (as with the plot descriptions we're striving for a unique take separate from Wikipedia and others) However what The Haffenden is adding appears to be copied from other online sources. --Tangerineduel 13:48, December 11, 2010 (UTC)

Alex Campbell
I removed Relative Dimensions and Lucie Miller from the appearance list of Alex Campbell because he has yet to appear in the audio play. Adding these can be considered spoilers, which should not be in in-universe articles.Thanks. Mini-mitch 16:54, December 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * I thought that Relative Dimensions would be out around this time. My mistake, I thought it was when I was leaving the message above but I was not sure. Sorry. Mini-mitch 17:07, December 13, 2010 (UTC)

The Eighth Regeneration
Everyone knows The Eighth Doctor's death was caused by an explosion, the fiery cataclysm of The Time War, the Time Lords, the Daleks, they all burned, he burnt with them, blah blah blah. I always had thought, The Eighth Doctor could have arrived at the start of Rose and been caught in the explosion of Henrik's. The Ninth Doctor could than come knocking at her cat flap in his tattered clothes asking for help. He could than take the leather jacket and jumper. Anyway I came up with other theories. PaulMcGannIsAwesome11777 09:56, December 20, 2010 (UTC)

The De-mat gun could have played a role in The Doctor's eighth regeneration. The device removed all traces of the target from the continuum, henceforth purging all memories of them from those who had turned the key. Millions upon millions were killed at The Time War's climax, but not erased, the device merely sealed the Cascade, turning it into a huge envelope of anti-spacetime. All this carnage would have had a severe effect on The Doctor's mind, damaging his memories and tarnishing his thoughts. Such an assault would be unbearable, in-fact it could have triggered regeneration. PaulMcGannIsAwesome11777 09:55, December 20, 2010 (UTC)

Oh yes, I know why The Eighth Doctor died, look at Clive's website, you'll find it. This supports my above, above theory. Yes he shut the Medusa Cascade and yest it did flatten them all like pancakes. It's just like putting ants in an envelope and closing it. It's big and open as the air flows in but close it and it becomes flat, all them ants don't stand a chance. Anyway that's silly, don't listen to that. Look at Ask Clive? or what ever it is, on this wikia, on the letters, The Ninth Doctor's first words and all. The plan blew up in his face quite literally, not only did it destroy all factions of the conflict but himself. The Moment was like a weapon, a De-mat gun, anyway it shut the Medusa Cascade and crushed them. All the energy blew out as it slammed shut, like the calcium in the Slitheen's skin suits. When they get squashed down all the air gets shoved out, now with the Medusa Cascade, it wasn't air, it was the inferno, as all those millions were flattened by it's immense force, coming down on them like a million nuclear bombs, the inferno flew out, squeezed out like sun block lotion. It flew straight into the TARDIS and scorched him. The console regenerated like in The Eleventh Hour and so did he, they fled to Earth to outrun the pain and the torment of it all. And that is where he met Rose. PaulMcGannIsAwesome11777 09:55, December 20, 2010 (UTC)

There is NO definitive source for how the Eighth Doctor regenerated, Clives website is mainly based on the view of other who did not understand the concept of what regeneration is. I cant even remember it actually having anything about the Eighth Doctor regenerating just the 9th Dr in 8th's clothes.

"Everyone knows The Eighth Doctor's death was caused by an explosion, the fiery cataclysm of The Time War, the Time Lords, the Daleks, they all burned," this is just speculation that MAY be correct, there has been no story that explicitly stated that the Eighth Doctor was present at final end of the Time War and the best source we have on it is The Forgotten which gives no definitive ruling on what truly happened to the Doctor in the War, just that he was going to use the De-Mat Gun at one point.

This wikia is based upon SOLID FACTS and theory just doesnt belong here, on the forums fine but not on articles. The best info we have on the Eigthh Doctor's regeneration is there on the page now as it IS unknown exactly how he regenerated, we only have knowledge on what happened some time BEFORE and some time AFTER it happened. Revanvolatrelundar 10:03, December 20, 2010 (UTC)

Farewell, Revanvolatrelundar, everyone on this wikia seems to be hostile, they don't seem to be warm or friendly in anyway. I never said this information was concrete, nor did I even think it, The Eighth Doctor's death is one of the greatest mysteries of The Whoniverse and I hope it stays that way. I was just trying to help you "solve" his demise, it says on your profile your trying to find out what did it. The Time War may or may not have been a factor, we'll never really know for sure. But I think I'll just go back to helping the K-9 articles, because it's a foreign standalone project, nobody takes much notice. But it does have some brilliant concepts and it's getting promoted overseas next year, syndication, merchandising, that sorta thing. Hopefully this will help boost it's popularity and a second series could be fantastic for it's fanbase. I think I see what has happened, you just want to keep this site, an encyclopedia, making it all spic and span, you don't care about what's in it, just it's structure. Doctor Who, Torchwood, The Sarah Jane Adventures, K-9, all the books, audios and comics, The Whoniverse in general, you don't really care. None of you do. You just want it to be cut and paste, that's all. COLD HARD FACTS no fun, no fiction. Hell I don't really care your just a bunch of nerds sitting behind your computers in your parents' basement, been living there for all your life. Never been kissed, never been touched. Just big fat geeks who have lost the true meaning of Who. It's just like in Cat's Cradle: Time's Crucible where The Pythia escapes into her own little world, well you've done the same bravo 121.214.234.125 10:32, December 20, 2010 (UTC)

Steven Hudson ''I saw him a couple a years ago outside a new building development in Totters Lane, East London. The guy seemed really confused and keep muttering, "They’re all gone, I'm the only one left". The man was either a complete loon or was drunk. Looking back I think he was probably drunk as he looked as if he'd been to a fancy dress party. He was wearing some old Edwardian outfit, not a leather jacket.'' I accept every source, it's all the same Whoniverse after all. Like you said everything is canon in some shape or form. Although I merely said that Stop the Pigeon is on an alternate timeline, I never said it wasn't canon. There's the main Whoniverse and than there is the parallel universes and dimensions. All those possible futures and than of course The Time War, a conflict so powerful that it revamped the "classic" Whoniverse (1963-2005). From An Unearthly Child to The TV Movie, The Whoniverse stayed the same. But than The Time War came and it changed everything. History was rewritten, plus all these parallel universes and timelines, all these alternate realities, extra dimensions, paradoxes, it's a trainwreck, The Multiverse is not just one cosmos, it's an infinity. With all of this, canon is impossible. An infinite continuum where anything is possible and history is like PlayDoh, bah, canon is non-existent. Paul Cornell was right. The Eighth Doctor died because of The Time War, zillions of sources point to this. End of story. PaulMcGannIsAwesome11777 11:18, December 20, 2010 (UTC)