User:SOTO/Forum Archive/The Panopticon/@comment-188432-20130129081336/@comment-188432-20130129221203

User:SOTO/Forum Archive/The Panopticon/@comment-188432-20130129081336/@comment-188432-20130129221203 In any argument to radically change an article — as by renaming or splitting — the burden of proof is on the person who wants to make the change, not the person who wants to keep the article as is. Acceptable proof is, but is not limited to, in-universe evidence and Tardis policy.

Policy's easy to understand. I can change The Snowmen to The Snowmen (TV story) without issue or controversy, since that is a standard dab term that we use. I can revert fanfic at Nyssa and the Fifth Doctor without discussion because of T:NO FANFIC

But in-universe facts are the clinching argument. That's why TARDIS Index File is now in red, even though that was a blue link for seven years. You might say that you believed you heard Nyssa say "TARDIS Index File", but it never actually happened.

Same thing here. You have no hard evidence that suggests the Doctor is wrong when he says, "they're the same girl".

Your first point in the immediately-preceding post is supposition. It is not an impossibility that the Clara who fell from the TARDIS is the same person, even physically, as the one who was on the Alaska, or the one we see in the graveyard. It's science fiction. Bodies get re-animated. Memories are selective. You would need evidence on the order of what we got with Rory to split the articles. You need Clara to physically drop her fingers and reveal an Auton gun for us to have separate articles. You need a physician scanning her body with some fancy medical device and pronouncing, "This isn't the same girl..." You need something overt. All you have is a sense of illogic. What you're saying is that it doesn't make sense that they could be the same person, so therefore they aren't. What I have — "According to the Doctor, they were 'the same woman'" — is therefore stronger. Why? Because it's a rock solid, water-tight fact. The Doctor said they were the same woman — twice — so that's what we have at present.

As for your second point, you're quibbling about remembrance in a story that centrally contained a memory worm, told in a universe that has retcon, starring a character known for his ability to hypnotise. Should the character's lack of memory be mentioned in the article? Sure. But this is the DWU. Bad memories happen all the time and don't imply the creation of unique entities. Jamie and Zoe don't remember most of their time with the Second Doctor, but they are the same people who travelled in the TARDIS.