Talk:The Master

This page needs to be edited to fit more into the Whoniverse POV discussed at the Panopticon, and also to include links to other pages. (Would do it myself but busy with my own edits.)--Freethinker1of1 11:25, 29 Mar 2005 (EST)


 * Removed "Unfortunately, the misconceived" We cant start to make judgements on the quality of the stories as everyone here is going to have different opinions on the issues and we should strive for some objectivity--Amxitsa 13:09, 29 Mar 2005 (EST)


 * Agreed. Was going to mention that in my earlier comment, but forgot. --Freethinker1of1 13:37, 29 Mar 2005 (EST)

Not that I'm trying to confuse matters but is Legacy of the Daleks really the Masters last story. I havent actually read it but I thought that it was set just before Deadly Assassin from the Masters perspective. Should the last story be the final story from the Masters own perspective or the last one from the Doctors? --Amxitsa 15:08, 6 Apr 2005 (EDT)


 * Last from the Doctor's, I'd say; after all, virtually all the characters will be meeting the Doctor in a different order.Ben Standeven 04:48, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Should we put sub-titles like: The early years for Delgado, the end of a lifetime? for peter pratt/geoffrey beevers apperaces, a new body? for anthony ainley and so on so we can categorize it well?--GingerM 16:08, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

On the table, what media does actors include?--GingerM 16:10, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I've revised the page to address recent questions. As for the one on media, since Sir Derek Jacobi is the only actor to not portray the Doctor on television, I saw no reason to put him in a separate category. Anyone clicking on the individual links to the respective actor entries (once they're written, of course) can find out in which capacitiy or form the role was played. The page on the actual character should concentrate more on the Master as he would be described in an information extract accessed by someone living in the Doctor Who universe. Outside the table, the behind-the-scenes stuff should be reserved for the pages on the actors and the individual stories. --Freethinker1of1 20:27, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

As the page implies, is the Gordon Tipple portrayal of the Master in the TV Movie meant to be The Master in Tremas's body or is it meant to be a new body, through another takeover / regeneration?--GingerM 14:07, 1 Jul 2005 (UTC)


 * The Eight Doctors might explain this. I don't know the answer myself. You could try to find out on Whoniverse.org--***Stardizzy*** 23:11, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

According to the new adventures, the Gordon Tipple Master is not the Ainley Master. He is described as looking somewhat like Basil Rathbone. Luckily Gordon Tipple does have a similarity to Rathbone. The Gordon Tipple Master first appears in First Frontier. The Valeyard 14:09, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Initital thoughts
Suggested sections:


 * General overview


 * One each for the main incarnations:
 * Roger Delgado Master
 * The decayed Master
 * Anthony Ainley Master
 * Decayed Master two (from the Big Finish audios)
 * Eric Roberts Master
 * The Doctor Who Magazine comics Master who fought the Eighth Doctor (again)
 * The Shalka Master

(it gets pretty complicated, for instance the New Adventures introduced one incarnation and though he only appeared in two books, ithink he regenerated at least once.)


 * Alt. universe Masters
 * Other

Second thoughts
Keep most of the above in own sections, give the following their own articles:


 * Delgado Master
 * Anthony Ainley/Tremas Master
 * Eric Roberts Master
 * Shalka Master (not major in terms of the universe, it just would help as far as differiating this version from the "default" main universe version)

--***Stardizzy*** 16:41, 3 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree, but how should we structure the titles to keep them in-universe? "Original Master", "Second Master", etc? But then again, the Anthony Ainley Master wasn't the Master's true second incarnation... 16:54, 3 March 2007 (UTC)


 * how about, for the Delgado Master, "The Master (UNIT years)". Ainley "The Master (Tremas)". Eric Roberts "The Master (morphant)". morphant means the snake thing the Master had turned into that possess people. --***Stardizzy*** 21:35, 3 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Perhaps something to imply the species? You know, how he was originally just a Time Lord, then a Time Lord possessing a Trakenite, then a Morphant possessing a Human. Azes13 02:30, 4 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I believe a number of EU stories have gone with the idea that the morphant is actually yet another globby form of Skarosian life into which the Master transferred his consciousness... not sure how this chimes with what's actually shown on-screen in the movie but it may have implications for the revision you suggest. (Hmm, the wiggly line button doesn't work on this computer. Sorry. - Gai-jin)