Howling:Little girl

Who is this little girl? Is she somehow related to the Doctor? *Spoilers*

She is seen regenerating at the end of the episode Day of the Moon. Post speculations below! Tyw7 (☎ Contact me! • Contributions)   Changing the world one edit at a time! 18:15, April 30, 2011 (UTC)

There were rumours before TIA last week that we would see River Song as a child. So I think the little girl could possibly be River Song. But on the other hand, it was revealed that Amy is pregnant, and there were pictures in that orphanage of Amy with a baby. So it could also be Amy's daughter Saxon 3 18:28, April 30, 2011 (UTC)

Ok spoilers people!! If you don't want things spoiled then don't open this link: I was initially disappointed about this but from what just happened with the Little Girl, I'm kinda pleased that the revelation won't be a total let down. --Revan\Talk 18:32, April 30, 2011 (UTC)

It's obviously Amy's daughter......the Silence must have impregnated her with cells while she was trapped in that wherever-it-was. Why did the Doctor have to know? It's his child. Simple really......thought how River Song fits into this eludes me. the twelfth doctor 18:42, April 30, 2011 (UTC)

Ah of course, the Silence impregnated her, that makes more sense since she seemed to be joking around at Rory's expense by suggesting that she had "relations" with the Doctor before Rory joined. --Revan\Talk 18:48, April 30, 2011 (UTC)

OK, so according to that link Revan put up above, River is a time lord, and therefore might be the Doctor's daughter, and his wife. Ehm........ewwww. the twelfth doctor 18:51, April 30, 2011 (UTC)

I was trying to keep things spoiler-lite there, but the Howlingis for spoilers anyway... That is kinda weird isn't it? I'm really hoping for the Silence being the surrogate daddy and not the Doctor being the father because that is bringing up the arguement on incest... --Revan\Talk 18:55, April 30, 2011 (UTC)

I've uploaded the scene on YouTube.

Tyw7 (☎ Contact me! • Contributions)   Changing the world one edit at a time! 19:07, April 30, 2011 (UTC)

In the trailer we hear a voive going "I've killed hundreds of Time Lords". I wonder if this is the Head Silent speaking, and the Silence have been attempting to make themselves as powerful as the time lords. In doing so have then been attempting to fuse their DNA with themselves (first using experiments like Amy), because the Aickman Road machine is very like a TARDIS. Saxon 3 19:25, April 30, 2011 (UTC)

Maybe The Silence impregnated her and that they have obtained Time Lord DNA somehow. Used it to impregnate her. Might not be The Doctor's daughter. 92.29.189.121 19:55, April 30, 2011 (UTC)

Then again, Amy said she thought she was pregnant before the Silence kidnapped her. But if River Song is Amy's daughter, and a Time Lord it would tie things up nicely - for instance the Little Girl has an American accent, River doesn't. Saxon 3 20:12, April 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Hey have an attempted TARDIS, a time machine. Who says they didn't go back, capture her then impregnated her, and just recaptured her to see how things were going or to abort it? 92.29.189.121 20:15, April 30, 2011 (UTC)

Looking a bit too deeply into the monitoring scene now, the scanner seems to fluctuate between "preggers" and "non-preggers", this could be some kind of temporal distortion. If this was the case then Amy could get pregnant in a later episode and then there could be time ripples of the pregnancy going back through her timeline explaining the weird scanner anomaly. --Revan\Talk 20:18, April 30, 2011 (UTC)

Or the scanner could just be analyzing and they cut the scene before it shows the result. V00D00M0NKY 03:21, May 1, 2011 (UTC)




 * Oooorrrr.... Since the Doctor is the "Last of the Time Lords" and the TARDIS knows that, maybe the baby is a Time Lord/Lady and the TARDIS is just rejecting that thought.... TheTARDIScontroller 03:56, May 1, 2011 (UTC)



I'm gonna take a really wild guess here and say that the little girl is in fact the Twelfth Doctor, mostly because it would be so awesome if in a few months time I turn out to be right. Taptaptaptap 05:55, May 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * That makes INSANELY no sense. If the Twelfth Doc killed the 11th doc, then the 12th doc wouldn't be around to kill the 11th doc... Classic case of the "Grandfather Paradox". It wouldn't be able to happen. TheTARDIScontroller 08:16, May 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't know if this would work, but could the girl be River and the Doctor's child? River could have already had her in her timeline (in the Doctor's future) - perhaps the Silence erased the memory from her, or she's not supposed to say anything for some reason?
 * But at first Amy says she's preggers but after a visit to the Silence "tardis" she no longer is. Perhaps the silence took it out... somehow. Tyw7 (☎ Contact me! • Contributions)   Changing the world one edit at a time! 10:32, May 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm actually surprised noone has said "Little Girl = The Rani/Romana/The woman/Rose/Susan/any other female in the new and old series."
 * It could be possible that the girl is Amy and Rory's child. If she was pregnant before the Silence abducted her then they could have simply altered the DNA of the fetus to make it be able to regenerate or time travell had a similar effect.
 * Another possibility is the girl is aTime Lady that somehow escaped the Time War. Which (given the 4th episode has the title "The Doctor's Wife") could be possible.
 * I'm actually surprised noone has said "Little Girl = The Rani/Romana/The woman/Rose/Susan/any other female in the new and old series."
 * It could be possible that the girl is Amy and Rory's child. If she was pregnant before the Silence abducted her then they could have simply altered the DNA of the fetus to make it be able to regenerate or time travell had a similar effect.
 * Another possibility is the girl is aTime Lady that somehow escaped the Time War. Which (given the 4th episode has the title "The Doctor's Wife") could be possible.
 * Another possibility is the girl is aTime Lady that somehow escaped the Time War. Which (given the 4th episode has the title "The Doctor's Wife") could be possible.


 * We don't actually know that it was the little girl who killed the Doctor. The space suit was capable of operating itself without an occupant, and River said it was repairing itsself. Since the little girl is no longer in the space suit, it could be more likely that the space suit either killed the Doctor itsself, or it "ate" somebody else who killed the Doctor. Whoever killed him, I doubt that the girl is the 12th Doctor, just because that means that after Matt Smith decides to leave the show, his successor would have to be a little girl. Plus, unless time is rewritten, there won't be a 12th Doctor. Based on the pictures in the girl's room, it is more likely Amy's child than an escaped Time Lord.Icecreamdif 13:17, May 1, 2011 (UTC)

Maybe Amy isn't the mother at all, shes just a surrogate parent since there are no Time Lady's left, but then Amy treats the child like shes the mother (hence the photos). --Revan\Talk 14:40, May 1, 2011 (UTC)

Right. We know that the girl got out of the spacesuit in 1969. 42 years later in 2011 it emerged from lake silencio, killed the doctor that was 2 centuries older than the one in 1919 and went back into the lake. Ther could very well be someone else in it. bbut if the girl was a time lady and could regenerate why would she need a life support system in the first place? Doctorpenguin 20:39, May 1, 2011 (UTC)

She would still only be able to regenerate 12 times, so she could be using the life support system to avoid wasting a regeneration, and as the Doctor said in The End of Time, regeneration feels like death. A regeneration may be preferable to dying, but it is still something to be avoided. Either way, it didn't seem like it was the girl's choice to enter the space suit.Icecreamdif 20:53, May 1, 2011 (UTC)

Another big question of course is why hasn't the Doctor sensed her? It's not like what happened with The Master, he at first had the fob watch which made him human and then used the Archangel netowork to conceal himself from the Doctor. This also hints more that the little girl is not a natural born Time Lord (Lady). As for the Spacesuit I don't think we've seen the last of it, it may be we discover who has replaced the occupant in a future episode. Saxon 3 21:15, May 1, 2011 (UTC)

Hi, here is my theory of who the little girl from "The Impossible Astronaut"/"Day of the Moon" is;

I think she is the daughter of Amy and Rory, and as Amy said in "Day of the Moon", the TARDIS had an effect on her, giving her the power to regenerate.

I think she is also River Song. And she killed the Doctor in the space suit, in Utah 2011 (DW: The Impossible Astronaut).

The reason the Silence want her to be cared for is because she will kill the Doctor, leaving them free to destroy the universe, hence "Silence will Fall".

The little girl/River Song is also the Doctor's second wife - Idris (DW: The Doctor's Wife) being the first.

The Doctor's first wife would be Susan's grandmother, and she is presumably dead, like all other Time Lords. I doubt that Idris is literally the Doctor's wife though, the title will probably be more metaphorical than that. When Amy talked about side effects the TARDIS could have on pregnancies, the Doctor laughed it off, and seemed to think that that was nonsense, and Amy can't possibly know what side effects time travel would have on pregnancy. It would be an amazing side effect of TARDIS travel, if it can give an unborn child the power of regeneration. If the girl is Amy and Rory's child, its regeneration abilities probably have something to do with whatever the Silence were doing to Amy when they captured her. It also isn't likely that River was the one in the space suit, because River was already on the beach with the rest of them, and the first law of time forbids anyone from being in the same place at the same time as themself from another time zone. Apart from that, River went on to start shooting the astronaut, which she wouldn't do if she was the astronaut, and River seems to love the Doctor, and probably wouldn't want to kill him. Icecreamdif 22:08, May 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * The First Law of Time can be broken, you know. It easily could have been River there, unlikely though it may be. -- Bold  Clone  23:05, May 1, 2011 (UTC)

The first law of time has been broken before, but usually the Timelords are involved. The only times the Timelords weren't involved in breaking the first law, were Father's Day and The Big Bang. In Father's Day, breaking the first law of time obviously had negative consequences, and in The Big Bang, the universe had just been destoroyed, so it was okay to ignore the laws of time. Even if River was able to break the first law of time, it doesn't really make sense for her to be the astronaut. River seemed just as shocked as anyone when the astronaut killed the Doctor, and if she was the one in the suit, River wouldn't have started shooting the astronaut. Also, if River did kill the Doctor, than he would probably be the great man that she killed. Because she ended up in a 51st century prison, it can be assumed that she killed whoever she killed in the 51st or 52nd centuries, not the 21st.Icecreamdif 23:44, May 1, 2011 (UTC)