Howling:The Blessing IS Jack... sort of.

Not that Jack himself is the Blessing, but considering last season we saw that an arm and a piece of his head could reconnect and rebuild his body... what if that huge gravity blood vessel thing IS Jack? Let's go through this step by step: Therefore, the Blessing is... biologically... Jack. d ● ● ●  18:45, September 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * In Children of Earth, an arm and a piece of Jack's skull were able to rebuild his body. This means some pieces would have to build TOWARDS each other.
 * If the Blessing IS Jack, then his blood moving toward it in Shanghai would let us know that his separated body parts would be naturally drawn toward the largest source on Earth. Currently that's the Blessing. Now here's where it gets interesting.
 * Jack has been physically present on Earth from 27AD until 2010 virtually uninterrupted, and often with multiples (as many as 3) present at the same time. Meaning, the first time he'd have been off planet Earth for an extended period of time... was right after Children of Earth. For about a year.
 * With Jack's blood in Buenos Aires and Argentina, they were now respectively each other's largest source of Jack. So they'd be drawn to each other. And GROW toward each other. A large lifeform now begins to dig under the Earth, meeting at its core. Just before the Miracle, they burn the blood supplies in Argentina and China, because they are no longer necessary, and the evidence needs to be disposed of before the Miracle happens.

Sounds about as plausible as any other theory, but there are a few holes in it. For one thing, whenever Jack heals, even when he blew up, the fom he takes is basically just his normal form. The Blessing obviously looks nothing like him. More importantly, that still doesn't explain how the Blessing caused the Miracle, or why Jack is now mortal. Also, the families have clealy been preparing for this for a long time, and they wouldn't have had anyway to know that Jack was buried for centuries, or that he would kill his grandson and run away from the planet.Icecreamdif 19:47, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

Organic material meeting at (or anywhere near) the Earth's core is unlikely in the extreme. The core is at about the same temperature as the surface of the Sun. Even the mantle would be a bit warm -- that's what comes out of volcanos. The stuff would need to take the long way round and stay in the upper part of the crust. --2.101.60.5 20:10, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

I've been idly wondering if they're going to join up the two shows. Last series in DW we had cracks in the walls/time, a perception filter in Amy's house and something that can't be seen out of the corner of your eye. I don't know if anyone else caught it, but in the trailer for next week's TW, there was a line about 'something you can't see, in the corner of your eye'. This series (which I assume is happening in 2011) has also had Rory be 'killed' several times, and yet he's not dead. We had perception filters and a huge crack in the wall in tonight's episode. And I also read somewhere that they wanted Jack Harkness in this series of DW but it couldn't be done because it clashed with filming TW last year...but might that explain a break in the middle of the broadcast of this series, and filming for it only finishing in July?

It's interesting to think about anyway. 109.150.43.239 20:23, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

Actually, add the fact that this would technically make Jack Harkness himself not the largest source of "Jackness", and a morphic field, and we might have something here... This gives us a rationale behind why Jack is not healing (because the Blood Line is) and why everyone's immortal (because the Blood Line is). The only piece still missing is the motive. Why would someone do this? d ● ● ●  21:34, September 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * A morphic field using this "Blood Line" as the template would grant the entire planet some facet of Jack's immortality (but not his healing factor).
 * Because Jack isn't the "Jackest" source on the planet anymore, technically he would be drawn to it, and likely would lose his immortality as a result. If you cut Jack in half, you wouldn't wind up with two Jacks. One side would grow, and the other would die. Likewise, Jack is now the "smaller part" that is not immortal, so long as this Blood Line is still intact.

The stuff about something in the corner of your eye was in this week's episode. The family member in Shanghai was telling Jilly that that's how people felt around the blessing. I doubt that they would want to join the two shows. Torchwood is trying to appeal to a new audience who is not familiar with the show, and Doctor Who generally tries to appeal to children who are not allowed to watch Torchwood. As fo the blessing being Jack, that could work, but there has to be more to it than just Jack's blood trying to join together once Jack left the planet.Icecreamdif 23:35, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

also, i'm also interested in what happened to the rest of jacks body after the explosion. there must have been more than the arm and the head or whatever they found. there must have been pieces left, even just single cells, that wouldn't have reconected to his body. so, what happened to those? would they really just have died, as someone above suggested? or would they have turned into something else? here's just a wild theory, but maybe because the explosion from children of earth happened on a rift, it could have scattered some of his remains arround the planet, including those cities. then, they are trying to join togeter with each other and the rest of jack like the parts that were recovered from the explosion did (the bits that were found grew back together even though there was no attachment). so those bits could be the blessing running through the center of the earth to join together and also why jack's blood started moving there. i have no idea if this theory could work or how it could connect to the miracle (unless maybe bits of jack got into the water supply and is making the people who have drunken him immortal or something), but that's what i'm thinking. Imamadmad 02:06, September 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * 109: Moffat wanted Jack as one of the allies the Doctor recruited for A Good Man Goes to War.


 * 2: _Anything_ going through the core of the Earth is incredibly unlikely. Like a Dalek drill, or the Racnoss (who are, come to think of it, organic matter themselves).


 * Anyway, the Blessing certainly seems to be organic, and it's got ends sticking out of two opposite ends of the Earth, so the problem you're bringing up seems to be there with or without d's theory, which means it's not a great argument against the theory.


 * In fact, it could even be part of the story: The bits of Jack were trying to grow straight through the core, but were unable to connect up because they burned up faster than they could grow. Maybe the bits eventually started spreading out into a sphere around the upper mantle because it was the only way they could connect up, which turned the localized Blessing into something global that the Families could finally use for the Miracle. And that's also why it looks nothing like Jack; what we're seeing are the extreme tendrils of something that's trying to grow into a Jack in the center of the Earth but can't; normally, they would have long ago been sucked into the center or vanished, but they can't because Jack couldn't regrow.


 * I don't think motive is a huge problem, or at least no more of a problem than already exists.


 * This biggest problem with this theory is that the Three Families seem to have discovered the Blessing decades ago, and were certainly planning for the Miracle all that time, but the Blessing couldn't have appeared until 2010 if it's Jack's remains from CoE. Maybe you could explain this away. (For example, Imamadmad brought up the rift; it could have scattered his remains across time as well as across the planet, since that's what the rift does, so… actually, I'm still not sure how it works, because even if you scattered the two biggest bits back to 1927, there were a couple of complete Jacks around in 1927.) But without such an explanation, there seems to be a big hole.


 * A smaller problem is that it seems like, even when there are two Jacks in the same time, they're both generally immortal, and they don't try to merge together like multiple Nöel Cowards.


 * And finally, how would the biggest bits of Jack happen to end up in Argentina and China, exactly across the world from each other, and thousands of miles away from Cardiff in two different directions? It seems like someone would have had to deliberately plant the two bits in those locations. Which isn't at all impossible, but it's an extra bit of story to explain.


 * Anyway, it's definitely an intriguing idea, but I don't think it's complete yet. --173.228.85.35 04:15, September 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * That's precisely it, though. The latest episode said that two blood banks were burned to the ground days before the Miracle: one in Buenos Aires, and one in Shanghai. Two locations that, due to the prevalence of the Phicorp "ϕ", does appear to be premeditated. Also, your notion of the tendrils not quite going through the core but more around it is pretty much bang on what I'm thinking. d ● ● ●  05:52, September 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * Which problem do the blood banks answer? They obviously imply PhiCorp involvement, and therefore presumably Family involvement (because the Families seem to use PhiCorp as a tool in their schemes), and they imply that the Family did something active to turn the Blessing into the Miracle (it's not something that just happened because Jack returned to Earth—although maybe getting Jack back to Earth was necessary to their plan?). But it doesn't seem to explain how or why the Blessing had been in those two cities for decades before that. Are you suggesting that they brought bits of Jack to those two cities back in 1927 knowing that he was going to leave the planet in 2010? Even then, how did they "discover the Blessing" decades ago if they created it last year? I feel like I must be missing something obvious here; if I'm being dim, please don't be afraid it would be patronize or anything to point it out. --173.228.85.35 07:06, September 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't see that Jack leaving the planet or not has anything to do with this. My guess is that the families developed a way to clone Jack's blood samples (The Blessing), until there was a sufficient mass of it to "out-Jack" Jack. The cloning locations were obviously in Shanghai and in Buenos Aires, creating the Blood Lines through the Earth. Add in some morphic field mumbo jumbo and you have The Miracle. 187.113.71.45 13:39, September 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't see that Jack leaving the planet or not has anything to do with this. My guess is that the families developed a way to clone Jack's blood samples (The Blessing), until there was a sufficient mass of it to "out-Jack" Jack. The cloning locations were obviously in Shanghai and in Buenos Aires, creating the Blood Lines through the Earth. Add in some morphic field mumbo jumbo and you have The Miracle. 187.113.71.45 13:39, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

The whole thing about Jack's blown up remains seems unlikely, unless the families actually let the 456 know that humman children made good drugs, and talked the government into blowing Jack up. I suppose that's not completely impossible, but its getting convoluted. They also couldn't possibly have planned for Jack to leave the planet, or known that he'd been buried their for centuries. The cloning theory might work, although I'm not sure that a clone of Jack would be immortal. His immortality isn't really genetic is it. If the blessing is the largest source of Jack, that could explain why Jack is now mortal, but it still doesn't explain how everyone else is now immortal.Icecreamdif 15:10, September 4, 2011 (UTC)