Forum:The Three Doctors not Season 6B?

Forgive me if this is obvious (or conversely, a load of gibbering nonsense), but most of my Doctor Who knowledge is from the 2005 revival and bits and bobs of the classic series. I know of Season 6B being established in TV Comic and the BBC Past Doctor Adventures and I know of the CIA being referenced in The Deadly Assassin, though I've read and watched neither.

Currently, the Second Doctor's page effectively says that two contradictory accounts say that either the CIA sent the Second Doctor to the incident with Omega during Season 6B, or that he was taken from the Land of Fiction some time after The Invasion (and implicitly, before The War Games, though maybe I'm reading into that improperly). So, is The Three Doctors said to be part of the Second Doctor's post-trial adventures in the novels (but not PROSE: Future Imperfect, where the Land of Fiction thing comes in), or is it a (not unreasonable, given Future Imperfect seems to contradict the Time Lords not putting the Doctor on trial sooner) assumption based on the fact that the CIA is behind all missions post-The War Games? -- Tybort (talk page) 15:57, November 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * It took me a few reads of Future Imperfect to understand what was wrong with the article. It's such a tiny little ¾ page story that every word is actually important.  The basic deal is that our article has it wrong that there are contradictory accounts.  There's one account, its name is Future Imperfect, and the article needs to be restructured so that it makes more sense. The problem with the article is that the placement of the information is such that it implies serial RRR happened post-War Games.  It didn't.  It happened, according to Imperfect, sometime after The Mind Robber, but while Zoe was still on board.  I'll rewrite Second Doctor.  18:50: Sat 10 Nov 2012
 * Okay, I've restructured the article by adding a new section, Second Doctor and Second Doctor, and by renaming the section you quoted as "Working for the CIA". We don't know, precisely, when RRR or 6K take place.  The best we can do is to just use language that suggests our lack of knowledge and quarantine them off into their own sections.


 * Another thing we must keep clear in the "Defending against Omega" section is that the Doctor thinks he remembers the Goth from "presiding over meetings of the CIA". That's a direct quote.  The Doctor could be wrong.  It is not fair to say, like the article did before, that RRR was a CIA mission.  Just that Two knows there's some kind of connection between Goth and the CIA. Don't forget, too, that Goth is not actually in RRR and he doesn't get named until  Deadly Assassin, three years later.  19:14: Sat 10 Nov 2012


 * Hmm, are you insinuating that it's not definitively connecting Horsfall's Time Lord 1 (The War Games) with Goth or am I completely misreading that? Also, how would we approach the reference to The Three Doctors in the "Fans start to ponder things" in Season 6B given that a valid source has definitively placed The Three Doctors outside of 6B? -- Tybort (talk page) 19:32, November 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * Future Imperfect does not definitively have anything to say about Time Lord 1. And RRR is grossly misrepresented on the page Season 6B, not just in the section you quote, but also in the chart. As far as I know, there is no narrative source for RRR being in 6B at all.  (That chart needs to be redone so that actual sources are given, not just a vague "established in other media" line.)  20:39: Sat 10 Nov 2012
 * So effectively, references to Goth being the Time Lord at the tribunal needs redoing as well. -- Tybort (talk page) 13:23, November 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * You mean the War Games episode 10 tribunal? If so, I think the answer is yes, but I'd have to check Legacy of the Daleks.  All I'm saying at present is that Future Imperfect doesn't give us a solid connection between Goth and Time Lord 1 (The War Games).  16:00: Fri 16 Nov 2012
 * There's nothing in LOTD that ties Goth to the Second Doctor's trial. I honestly don't know that there is an actual source. In fact, I think there's a source against the notion. The novelisatoin of RRR has it that the President in that story was the one who presided over the trial, indicating that Bernard Horsfall regenerated into Roy Purcell, and that Goth would therefore be an entirely different person from Time Lord 1.


 * Here's the passage:

The President looked at the Chancellor. 'I think we should indeed be grateful, my lord. Not to poor Omega, whose end to some extent atoned for his crimes, but to the Doctor, who saved us all from extinction.'

'What reward would you suggest?'

The President was silent for a moment. He was remembering a trial at which he himself had presided, remembering the sentence passed on the Doctor. A change of appearance, and exile to Earth for an indefinite period...

'I think we both know, my lord,' he said. 'There is only one reward that would mean anything to the Doctor.'
 * So that sets the cats amongst the pigeons, doesn't it?


 * Some other tidbits: Roy Purcell wasn't in The War Games, something you'd think that Terrance Dicks, author of the novelisation, would have known, since it was only 3 years before. And Dicks makes no attempt at connecting Goth to Time Lord 1 in Doctor Who and the Deadly Assassin. So at least according to the Dicks' view of things — and Dicks of course has his hands in all the televised stories potentially featuring Goth in some capacity — Goth is not Time Lord 1.


 * I'm at a total loss to explain where the connection comes from. 16:30: Fri 16 Nov 2012
 * I suppose I should point out, too, that any crazy attempts to make Roy Purcell be Goth don't work, because the entire point of Deadly is that Goth is lusting after the power of the presidency. Purcell is already president, so Goth can't be the person we see as president in RRR. Nah, the deal, according to Dicks, is that ZZ Horsefall becomes Purcell, and later Goth simply looks like Horsefall in ZZ. Which actually gives us some nice continuity with Destiny of the Daleks and ZZ, because it shows us that Time Lords really can pick their appearance if they just try.  Goth looks like Time Lord 1 in the same way that Romana II looks like Astra.  No biggie.  16:38: Fri 16 Nov 2012