Howling:The Angels and the Ponds

I am never right when I do this, but I do it anyway. I've just got a lock on my batty conspiracy theory for Amy, Rory and the Angels. I don't think the recurring themes are foreshadowing or window-dressing, I think they are narrative coordinates left by Moffat (yes, it's one of 'those' sort of conspiracies).

Flickering lights get you two associations: The Silence and the Angels. Those both get you 1969. Then there's Christmas references, and the fact that the Angels will be offering their travel services in Manhattan in next week's episode.

Put all that together with River feeling the need to make another meaningful family appearance, and you get the coordinates Christmas 1969, New York - just weeks prior to the "New York - 6 months later" segment from Day of the Moon where Melody turns into a toddler on the streets of New York and takes 20 years to somehow work her way to Leadworth.

I think Amy and Rory are going to finally be sent 'home'. But even if I'm right (and I'm not), I get the impression they don't plan to tell us what actually happens to them. Wibbly-Wobbly ☎  21:09, September 23, 2012 (UTC)

It's quite a pile, isn't it? (unsigned)

well, i think you might be right. and then we may see how melody got from new york to leadworth. it may answer a few questions. and you're right; it isn't like moffat to put in these recurring themes and not having them lead to anything. ps, i heard somewhere i think that one of the ponds might die in this episode, although i can't remember where i heard that to verify my sources. but i do think we will be shown what happens to the ponds no matter what. Imamadmad ☎  08:07, September 24, 2012 (UTC)

Wibbly-Wobbly: "Christmas 1969, New York" would certainly answer the question (in the topic "Series 7 Arc possibilities") of "how they'll fit a Christmas reference into The Angels Take Manhattan"! --89.242.70.202talk to me 14:02, September 24, 2012 (UTC)

I think it would be good if it turns out that the Angels are working with the Silence in this episode. That would give two resolutions to the possible flickering light bulb arc. 94.72.194.203talk to me 19:04, September 24, 2012 (UTC)

I just read another theory on Facebook about next weekend's episode - in The Power of Three, a dressing table in the Ponds' bedroom has a fob watch on it. In Let's Kill Hitler, when River regenerated, Rory complained of a banging in his head. And in The God Complex, Rory didn't have a room. The Doctor looked in a room which could be presumed to be his, but he said "Of course it was you" and we hear the Cloister Bell. Could Rory be a regenerated version of The Master? It would be heartbreaking for Amy if he is. Personally, I doubt that it's true at all though. Why bother including the Angels in the episode if it was?

Rory is not the Master. Ignoring how stupid a plot point that would be, we've seen Rory as a child in Let's Kill Hitler, the Master has already used a chameleon arch so it would be repetitive if he used one again, he has no reason to use one again now that the Time War is over, fob watches are something that exist without being part of a Time Lord machine, he didn't have a room because he no longer put his faith in anything after two thousand years, and most importantly, there is absolutely no reason to believe that Rory is the Master.Icecreamdif ☎  00:50, September 25, 2012 (UTC)

The whole point of using a fob watch in the first place is that it's ordinary enough not to be an immediate giveaway. The ploy only works because almost all fob watches are just fob watches. --89.242.77.146talk to me 03:37, September 25, 2012 (UTC)