User talk:SawyerDN

Pharos
Yeah, it says so in the torchwood encyclopedia and i looked over the story. Green says investigate torchwood, pharos and something else that hasn't been in any stories. Hope that helps. I'm A Hydroponic Tomato! Bigredrabbit (talk to me) 02:20, June 30, 2010 (UTC) 22:30: Tue 20 Dec 2011

Rename policy
Please note that per Tardis:You are bound by current policy, once you bring an item up for discussion, you are not to change it until/unless it has been discussed. The edits you made have been reverted with this policy in mind. Thanks. Shambala108 ☎  01:58, March 1, 2014 (UTC)

Block
You've been blocked for one day to give you a change to read and understand the policy I have quoted at least three times now: Tardis:You are bound by current policy. I don't know how to make it any clearer: if you bring an item up for discussion, you must allow that discussion to take place, without making the changes in question until/unless the community agrees with the change. Shambala108 ☎  02:08, March 1, 2014 (UTC)

Block review
SawyerDN asked me elsewhere on the Wikia network to perform a review of the above block, as is every user's right under Help:I'm blocked. However, the tone of the request was highly intemperate and contrary to the explicit instructions at Help:I'm blocked. It is very important to us at this wiki that, as much as is humanly possible, civility should reign. If you call a fellow admin names, that is a violation of our rule against personal attacks. As that rule is one of our most important, it must be strictly upheld.

Thus the block will remain in force for the few hours of life it has in it.

That being said, I have taken some considerable time out of my Friday evening to understand the substance of this issue, and I think it's important to talk about it for a bit.

SawyerDN, you are absolutely, 100% right in your desire to see these page names changed. What has happened with all these pages is what we call around here real world creep. The only correct name of the Capaldi character's page is Lobus Caecilius. That's how the character introduces himself in the episode. The name of the historical character does not appear anywhere in the episode. The Italian Job has RTD flatly and clearly stating that he took the family names of the Roman characters from the Cambridge series to which you referred "as a joke". It is exceedingly clear from watching that Doctor Who Confidential episode, however, that he did not intend for us to believe that this was an actual historical character. Rather, the whole thing was a gag as commonly seen in Asterix comics.

In other words, Spartacus may well be Spartacus in this episode — but Caecilius is not Caecilius.

For this reason, I find that further discussion about whether to change the page name is unnecessary. We have both in-universe and out-of-universe evidence to strongly support a name change to Lobus Caecilius. And indeed, at Talk:Lucius Caecilius Iucundus, you do not open a discussion. You simply inform why you're changing a name. I do that, too — all he time. And that's fine and good. That's just using the talk page to annotate the reasons you're "", as our friends at Wikipedia like to say.

Where you ran afoul of our policies was at Talk:Quintus Caecilius Iucundus. There you do appear to open a discussion. It's a marginal case, because you don't clearly assert a case, as you do at Capaldi's character's page, but your use of the conditional and your indecision about which replacement name to use does seem to invite discussion.

And so Shambala is quite right to say, "Hold on, if you're gonna merely suggest a change, you've gotta wait for a little discussion on that."

The principle she's upholding here is a very important one. Basically, if you're going to ask a question about an article, or you're not sure of a course forward, you've got to allow debate. If you don't do that, then the value of discussion would plummet. People just wouldn't talk anymore. Granted, we may get no more responses at Talk:Quintus Caecilius Iucundus. But now you've suggested two possibilities for reform, it's important to let the community have their say.

So, to sum up:


 * Because you were fairly intemperate in your review request, your block remains in place until it naturally expires in a few hours
 * Capaldi's character's page will be moved immediately.
 * Quintus Caecilius Iucundus shall remain unmoved for at least one week, after which time it will be summarily removed to Quintus Caecilius, unless the discussion leads to another name.  07:12: Sat 01 Mar 2014