User talk:Mini-mitch/Archive Talk 10

File deletions
Hey, if you come across any images that have been scanned from DWM, like audio or book previews, or any comics (from anywhere) that have been scanned I'd appreciate you tagging them with a prop delete, rather than just deleting them. Plenty of these are generally useful and often hard to find (or at the very least annoying to go and scan again). Usually they just need saving, format swapping or resizing and then re-uploading. I think I've found most of them, but I'd appreciate any that you find being tagged with a prop delete so I can grab a copy of them. Thanks. --Tangerineduel / talk 14:58, September 7, 2012 (UTC)

K9 Category
Doesn't this refer to the Aussie series? School Reunion isn't a K9 episode, is it?

Series 7 Writers
Is there any particular reason not to link to the appropriate pages? Cult Of Skaro ☎  19:46, September 26, 2012 (UTC)

Apology/A little favor
Sorry but I was not disputing I was asking calmly and politely to Digifiend that we should make a compromise to end our "century long blocking" issue. I was wondering if I could use some of your help. King wiki ☎  22:22, September 26, 2012 (UTC)

Invasion of the Bane
It really doesn't seem necessary to mention Kelsey Hooper, seeing as she only appeared in the one episode. Cult Of Skaro ☎  01:50, September 29, 2012 (UTC)

Series 7
Your recent reversions have been overzealous, in my opinion. If you didn't like how I marked that dead reference, you should create a deadlink template like Wikipedia has. By reverting my edits, you also undid a reference repair (a missing { and title in the citeweb code) and a typo correction. Also, I don't know why you removed that rumour about episode 7. That had the same missing { citeweb problem, which I've fixed. Since the source of the rumour was a crew member's CV, it's highly likely to prove true.

Anthony
Can you please move Anthony Williams (P.S.) to Anthony Williams? OS25 (talk to me, baby.) 18:39, October 12, 2012 (UTC)

Doctor Who TV as a banned source
In the talk page for Series 7 (Doctor Who) I responded to a comment you posted in August about the use of Doctor Who TV as a source. Since it's an old thread, basically what I wrote is given that most contributors to the Tardis Index File are not psychic, nor familiar with the workings of websites that look to be every bit as legitimate as Doctor Who News Page, Dr. Who Online, etc., perhaps it might be useful to create a list of banned sources, especially if official policy exists against their use (based on your post I'm assuming you are the owner of this Wiki therefore the policy is official). As the owner, you should be able to create some sort of sticky that comes up whenever anyone clicks on the edit buttons which could feature a list (or a link to a list) of banned sources. Might save a bit of annoyance on both sides because I'm hesitant to contribute further if a source I use which appears to be legitimate is discounted; today it's Doctor Who TV, but tomorrow it could well be Doctor Who News Page. My IP changes, so if you wish to respond best to do so on the original "Final Warning to All Users" thread on the Series 7 talk page rather than my talk page which I might not be able to access next time I log in. 70.72.211.35talk to me 21:49, October 18, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thank you for the kind words...we all like to be appreciated for what we do! Shambala108 ☎  04:14, October 29, 2012 (UTC)

pcred and job table lists
and will likely be changing and evolving. I notice you've started to go alphabetically and you're only in the as, so I wanted to warn you of that beore you did too much work. When all this is ready for full implementation, it'll be easily applied by bot. Putting them on a page with a section header, and nothing else, is unusual behavior, however, and will make it harder for the bot to work in future. These tables don't actually require a section head, because they're auto-collapsed. Using section heads means tedious bot work in the future. At the end of the day, it's very likely that will have to be deleted, so it's best not to surround it with section heads that will also have to be deleted.

If you feel a need to add, please do so without section heads. And remember that the primary reason to have any page is to define the topic, not just add a list. It might be a better use of your time to actually write the associated article, rather than just creating an empty page with a template on it. 19:25: Sat 10 Nov 2012

Bot requests
The bot has changed 1128 pages in category:real world, putting "External link(s)" in sentence case. I have a feeling this was all Boblipton stuff, cause he was terrible for adding "External Link" on actors' pages.

I'll let you know about your other requests as I have time to squeeze them in. I'm having to do some fairly laborious manual bot runs at the moment instituting the provisions of The Master - 1 article. I've been going for about 36 hours, and I've only got so far as eliminating most of the Master (UNIT years.

Rest assured, though, that your bot runs are definitely on the schedule.

Oh, and to answer an earlier question, yes, there is a coming at some point. Unfortunately, we can't just use on London-made programmes because their cast info is just too different. It's a tricky build, though, because we have to come up with something that works equally well for An Unearthly Child, which has practically no credits. and Survival, which has a lot. 14:06: Wed 21 Nov 2012
 * The bot has looked through the entirety of real world and has found no instance of the exact phrase "television serial/episode". Could you please clarify the precise phrase you wanted changing, and under what circumstances?  I agree that a slashed "serial/episode" thing would need to be changed, if it existed, but I'm not so clear what you want changing in the absence of that.   20:01: Wed 21 Nov 2012
 * Oh, and additional space between the end of one section and the beginning of another should be automatically corrected at the next running of the MOS BOT. Due to the intensity of this bot — it checks every article – and its fairly trivial revisions, I tend to run this bot only once a quarter, and certainly not while I'm using the bot for other things.  It's a kinda "set it and forget it" run that can really slow down other bot runs. I'll be making the final 2012 run of MOS BOT in the week prior to the Christmas Special.


 * In the meantime, it'd be helpful if you could send me a list of 3-5 pages where you note this error so that I can make sure MOS BOT has indeed addressed the problem.


 * MOS BOT does a lot of little things, which means that it might be doing 10 things on a page at once. With that many changes, it's hard for the human eye to process the report.  If we want to make sure that a particular change has happened, the easiest thing to do is to make a note of the pages with the problem, and then do a before and after comparison.  20:10: Wed 21 Nov 2012

Serial, episode, story
I'm gonna break this out into a separate section, because I think it's an important discussion unto itself. If I understand you correctly, you want to eliminate our editors' freedom of word choice for a consistent usage of "television story".

I have to say that I'm thinking we can't have a blanket changeover to "television story", as it would unnecessarily make our language dully repetitive. All of the following are correct, so there's no need to change them:
 * ... the television serial, The Three Doctors
 * ... the serial, The Three Doctors
 * ... the television story, The Three Doctors
 * ... serial RRR
 * ... the televised Three Doctors

These are all perfectly fine.

Where correction is needed is in the singular case of the misapplication of the words episode and serial. These are not correct:
 * ... the television episode, The Three Doctors
 * ... the televised serial, The End of the World

And then there are cases where what appear to be errors, but actually are correct:
 * ... the episode "An Unearthly Child" had little to do with An Unearthly Child

Basically, there are too many contextual issues surrounding your proposed move. You'd have to just check every instance and really think about whether it's factually accurate. If it is accurate, you'd then have to decide whether it's worth changing, or if that would mean that there were too many uses of the phrase "television story" on the page.

Put another way: we must consistently have "(TV story)" after our TV story titles, but that's for technical reasons only. We shouldn't apply this logic to the body of our articles, but should come up with as many variations of "television story" as accuracy will allow. 20:26: Wed 21 Nov 2012

Extra spaces
Thanks for the speedy list! Just performed a test at Carolyn Mawdsley and the bot doesn't in fact correct for this. So I'm going to have to write something new. The question I have for you is whether this is something you're just noticing on people pages, or is it something that's a bit more widespread? Key to writing a new bot is whether this always happens above "external link' or is it something that happens between other sections?

Hmmmm. Checking the five samples you gave me, I think I have my answer. They're all user:Boblipton specials. The pattern is that he created them. Oh and he put them into TV crew stubs without using. Lovely. So now I gotta make two separate runs over this.

I'll start on this now. 20:39: Wed 21 Nov 2012
 * Okay, so the process here is that I add — already under way — to everything currently in category:TV crew stubs, taking care not to put it onto pages that already have it.  Then I come back with a second run to delete category:TV crew stubs, since  inherently adds that category.  That way, when you or someone else comes along to declare it no longer a stub, all you have to do is remove, not also a category.

The total number of stub tag errors caught by the bot in just category:TV crew stubs was roughly 50% of the its 245 members. This is an infestation, not just an occasional error. I'm going to have to just assume the entirety of category:stubs is probably compromised, and I'll have to do the same process for every one of these. Even better, the number of corrections and the number of articles started by Bobliption in that category is practically the same.

Wow. Thanks, Bob, thanks so very much. 21:00: Wed 21 Nov 2012

Stubs
Um, I'm now totally confused about what you're doing. Why have you removed the stub tag at Alex Wathey, Cyril Wilkins, Beverly Wiens, Steve Wheeler, Su Westwood and probably many, many more? By what basis do you judge these not be stubs? To me, they're the very definition of stubs. They give no context for the person's larger career.

A "not stub" for crew members is something like Greg Nicotero or Stephen Regelous. Heck, cyril Wilkins doesn't even bother to have a period at the end of it's one and only setence, and Alex Wathey is incorrectly identifying her gender. These are totally stubs.

If these articles are representative of the stub removal you've been doing, please go back and reapply all the stub tags and re-read our defintion of stubs, with special emphasis on what a real world stub is. I'm afraid you've fundamentally misunderstood what a stub is. 23:56: Wed 21 Nov 2012

Relabelled your most recent forum thread
Hey MM :) Wanted to let you know that I had to tinker slightly with your new forum thread.  It had nothing to do with canon, so I wanted to make sure we scrubbed that notion quickly.  With a virgin forum before us, we have the opportunity to start afresh and never confuse people with the word "canon" again. We don't debate canon around here.  According to site policy, there is no canon.  There are only valid sources and invalid ones — only things we cover and things we don't.

Also, there's no need to sign posts in the new forum as your name is linked and dated automatically. Another beauty of this new forum is that it completely eliminates the  post in forums. 17:49: Sun 02 Dec 2012

Chat ban
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Help reverting image issues
Is there any way I could get you to help me clean up after Clone gunner commander jedi? Virtually every image at Special:Contributions/Clone_gunner_commander_jedi needs to be reverted, because he's taken pictures that completely obeyed T:ICC and turned them into ones that don't. He's been made fully aware of our policies since 2011, but it honestly looks like he deliberately edited these pictures away from policy standards. Some pictures that were over 250px wide, he lowered to below that threshold. Other pictures that were well under 100kb, he raised to over 1mb. I haven't found any of his work we can keep.

If you can do this little task, please note that rollback will appear to work, but it doesn't. It only rolls back the page, not the actual picture. You'll have to click "revert" on each of the file histories.

If you can't do it, that's cool — but please lemme know. 21:50: Mon 17 Dec 2012
 * Thanks very much :) 22:44: Mon 17 Dec 2012

Vastra investigated
Even if you discount P.S. as a webcast, the one before that would be The Making of the Gunslinger, not Pond Life. OS25 (talk to me, baby.) 01:15, December 18, 2012 (UTC)

NonDWU and cat
Yes, I am aware.

I accidentally left those because I wanted to hold off adding the Non-dwu template until I had watched the sketch once.

I have re added Category:Christmas specials because that is an out-of-universe category. OS25 (talk to me, baby.) 03:04, December 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * Though much of what you've said at user talk:OttselSpy25 is correct, all of the specific examples you gave are inappropriate. Any category with the word "stories" in the title is in fact an OOU category.  (Read, for example, the text at category:Fourth Doctor stories or Category:Stories set in the 1980s.)  In other words, category:Fourth Doctor is the in-universe category, while category:Fourth Doctor stories is the OOU cat.


 * I think what you actually meant to say is that notdwu stories must go into notdwu categories only. But a notdwu category is different than an OOU or IU category.  01:17: Tue 25 Dec 2012

Question re "personal attack"
Hi! I know we're not supposed to remove content from talk pages, but can I remove the personal attack/vandalism from my talk page? Thanks! Shambala108 ☎  01:24, December 28, 2012 (UTC)

Series 7 Part 2 Opening Episode is indeed "The Bells of Saint John"!
https://www.google.co.uk/search?client=opera&q=doctor+who+the+bells+of+saint+john&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&channel=suggest

I think you'll find that the opening episode to Series 7 Part 2 is indeed "The Bells of Saint John". Doctor Who TV might not be a reliable source but there are plenty of other sites that are also saying the rumour. Besides I don't see why we can't just put it as that now and change it later - it happened with Series 7 Part 1 so why not Part 2?