User:SOTO/Forum Archive/Inclusion debates/@comment-4028641-20170222073756/@comment-24894325-20170224092932

User:SOTO/Forum Archive/Inclusion debates/@comment-4028641-20170222073756/@comment-24894325-20170224092932 There are several points that have not been sufficiently clarified in this discussion. And, since I agree that this is going to be used as a precedent, it is important to put all the relevant arguments out there in the open: in a year, none of us is going to remember the details of what we were thinking now.

So the big question is: how exactly are the Daleks in the movie related to the DWU? A multiverse was mentioned, but the exact nature of DWU in it or how Daleks could travel to its other parts was not specified. The reason that I'm asking is because of the jokey name used for them. I would grant the argument that calling them Daleks is not mandatory and can be used for whatever comic relief. But calling them "British robots" is, in fact, treating them differently from the established lore of the DWU. Because Were they called "Skaro mutants", we would be having a different discussion. But "British robots" is not a reference to DWU. It is a cultural reference to a TV show produced in Great Britain about robotic looking things. The intended joke is, based on all the quotes above, that the American audience is not going to know exactly what Daleks are. But this intension is ludicrous from the point of view of DWU. There were multiple stories set in the US plus several Dalek invasions on the global scale that affected the US too.
 * 1) They are not robots
 * 2) They are not British

The only thing that could potentially justify calling Daleks "British robots" is Ironsides. If there is source material in the movie connecting its Daleks with those trying to dupe the Eleventh Doctor into confirming their blood purity, please make it.

Barring that, the designation "British robot" is for me incompatible with a faithful representation of the DWU, be it standalone or within a multiverse.

Oh, and one more point. Everyone agrees that the movie is BBC-licensed. However, Rule 4 is completely independent of that (as licensing is dealt with in Rule 2). So let us leave the well-established licensing alone and discuss the DWU-intentions.