User talk:TheChampionOfTime

Leamington Spa Lifeboat Museum
Sorry, for taking a while to respond, but "was heavily implied" is not a citation. Especially as we have an entire category of alien artefact collections and collectors of alien artefacts in the Doctor Who universe filled people and groups other than Torchwood. And I don't think we allow tie-in websites as citations, due to them failing rule one of the four little rules (although it's may possible we include the games on them with a degree of story, seeing as no-one's deleted citations to Security Bot that I'm aware of.) -- Tybort (talk page) 20:53, November 29, 2015 (UTC)

That makes sense, sorry for the bother. -- TheChampionOfTime (talk page) 21:42, November 29, 2015 (UTC)

The Ultimate Adventure
Is there any indication that The Ultimate Adventure et al. happen in any kind of alternative timeline?Fwhiffahder ☎  01:57, January 16, 2016 (UTC)


 * The BBC seem to think so as Face Value (short story) is clearly stated to be a sidestep. TheChampionOfTime ☎  02:33, January 16, 2016 (UTC)


 * What does that have to do with two Big Finish releases? Is there any narrative evidence that it isn't the normal Sixth Doctor? Would you put Instruments of Darkness in an "alternate timeline" too?Fwhiffahder ☎  02:37, January 16, 2016 (UTC)


 * It has nothing to do with the Big Finish releases, but if the sixth Doctor in Face Value is not our sixth Doctor what makes him a sidestep? The only answer I can see would be his companions. As for Instruments of Darkness, I would put it in an alternate timeline no sooner than I would put The Wrong Doctors in an alternate timeline for contradicting Millenial Rites, I'm not really sure why it was brought up. TheChampionOfTime ☎  03:00, January 16, 2016 (UTC)


 * "and then step sideways into other universes — worlds full of song and dance" The only story involving songs and dance in this anthology is Face Value. TheChampionOfTime ☎  03:03, January 16, 2016 (UTC)


 * But you're only speculating that it's because of his companions. There's no narrative reason to categorize either Big Finish release as alternate universe, is there? Even if Face Value was intended to be place in the NOTVALID universe of the stage play, the two audios are valid sources.Fwhiffahder ☎  03:07, January 16, 2016 (UTC)


 * Oh, I suppose that makes sense. The short story is in the Stageplay universe meaning the 2 audios are in the regular one. I fix my mistake right now!   (Although afterwards I checking to see if anyone has said something behind the scenes) TheChampionOfTime  ☎  03:21, January 16, 2016 (UTC)


 * I'd still put the short story in with the others. Yes, at the time it was written it didn't fit into the regular timeline. But Big Finish has essentially transplanted it by making its source material valid. Fwhiffahder ☎  03:24, January 16, 2016 (UTC)

Re: Dominic Glynn theme
Hi! There's nothing intrinsically wrong with your category, it's simply that all the stories the articles I reverted your revision on pertain to don't use it. Most of BF's output post-Jubilee uses the Howell theme for 6/Peri stories, as suits the period they are set within, so excluding Breaking Bubbles and Other Stories and Year of the Pig, they don't use the Glynn theme. RogerAckroydLives ☎  02:09, January 19, 2016 (UTC)

Voice from the Vortex reply
Well, it contradicted established events and characterisations, even the 2005 releases, plus no one seemed to want to talk about it, myself not knowing about it 'til recently despite it being up since the New Series launched. Just seemed like an invalid source that went unnoticed.BananaClownMan ☎  22:07, January 21, 2016 (UTC)

Damaged Goods
This wiki's policy is that adaptations and novelisations are supplementary to their originals. The novel and audio of Damaged Goods are considered the same story, and the Torchwood reference can only be considered valid if also applied to the novel. Fwhiffahder ☎  23:02, February 7, 2016 (UTC)
 * If I could butt in, this wiki does not not have any such policy as you refer to with regard to adaptations. Novelisations, yes, but adaptations, no. RogerAckroydLives ☎  01:39, February 8, 2016 (UTC)

Comic images
Hi! Thanks for the Titan comic images you uploaded. I've tweaked a couple of them to better fit with our image rules. Specifically, all images should be under 100 kilobytes. This can usually be achieved with a width of around 600 pixels. Second, aspect ratio should be close to widescreen. Third, images should be tightly focused on their subject, so they work at thumbnail size.

For example, take File:Claremont.jpg. In the first version, the image is really tall, and the extra height distracts from the subject of the image, Claremont. The second version is just focused on his face, which is what we want in an infobox image.

If you want to create the best possible images, especially from comic sources, read through Tardis:Guide to images, it's very helpful. 17:49, February 15, 2016 (UTC)


 * The Houdini image is too tall, and doesn't meet the minimum width requirement of 250px. I looked through that comic, and the best image I could find for Houdini was this. It's not ideal, but I think it's better than the current infobox image.


 * As for the other image, I'm guessing from the filename that you're trying to illustrate the reporter. Are you using scans of the comic, or the digital version? Because I have the digital version, and it's possible to get a closer crop without the helicopter or speech bubbles. 20:30, February 15, 2016 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it looks fine. Good file size, good image size, good aspect ratio. 20:51, February 15, 2016 (UTC)

Doctor Who Reviews Wiki
Hello TheChampionOfTime, please go and check out the Doctor Who Reviews Wiki. Where you can review Doctor Who Stories! Go to: http://doctor-who-reviews.wikia.com/wiki/Doctor_Who_Reviews_Wikia

Thank You! (Sorry if this is annoying)
 * This unsigned comment was left by Allonsy potter at 16:28, February 28, 2016‎

Thank you!
 * This unsigned comment was left by Allonsy potter at 16:40, February 28, 2016‎

Robots, Gramm puppets and hierarchies
When I created the category Category:Gramm puppets, I put it into a parent category Category:Individual androids, whose parent categories are Category:Individual robots and Category:Androids. I was 100% sure that "individual robots" are also "robots". I checked just now. It is not the case. I am shocked.

So yes, your edits of my puppets correct an error. But it feels like this error is more systemic and would be better corrected at the root. I propose to add the category Category:Robots as a parent category to "Individual robots" rather than adding it to every entity that can be traced up to this category. Amorkuz ☎  06:15, April 6, 2016 (UTC)

Spoiler image
Thanks for the quick heads up, and for taking the spoiler policy seriously. The offending image has been deleted.

By the way, your signature is missing the link to your talk page. 20:59, April 19, 2016 (UTC)

The Silver Doctor
I know you're working on your template for the Doctor. Unfortunately, after a discussion with SOTO and Dench-and-Palmer I forgot to remove the "Look-alike" category. If you read the talk page of the Silver Doctor, you'll understand my point that the appearance of the Silver Doctor was never described. So it is a sound-alike at best. I'll leave it to you whether you keep it in your template. But my guess is that it looked more like a Cyberman than the Doctor. Amorkuz ☎  22:32, April 23, 2016 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry to tell you that I do not believe the Silver Doctor was "modelled" on the Doctor in any real sense. As the story is really convoluted, and I had to relisten to it a gazillion times to get it together, let me just give you all the facts and you'll decide if this fits your definition.


 * So first of all there is zero information about how the Silver Doctor looks. He only appears in the last minutes (literally) of the play and says a couple of phrases. Apart form the voice of Paul McGann and the name including "Doctor", there is nothing to go by.


 * It is important not to mix the Silver Doctor with the Eighth Doctor (puppet) (which I will create soon and which you should probably add to your template instead of the Silver Doctor). That one was made by the Cyberman Gramm. The Doctor himself comments on their likeness. This puppet was first broken by the puppet of Mary Shelley and then the Doctor himself burned all remnants of Cyber-Technology. For Gramm puppets, it has been commented multiple times that they bore an uncanny likeness to the originals, including having the original's eyes in some cases (but not in the Doctor's case as he kept his in his head).


 * But the Silver Doctor could only be created by Alfred Stahlbaum. He couldn't have used the puppet because it had been destroyed by the Doctor. Unlike Drossel and Gramm, Stahlbaum was not working with wood. He was seemingly a talented mechanic, judging by multiple mechanical toys in his room. His previous protege was the Silver Turk, a Cyberman who was wearing a mask for performances. "Silver" clearly referred to his metal body. While we can only guess, my strong belief is that "Silver" in the Silver Doctor indicates it was also made of metal. There is no precedence in the story for metal men resembling actual people. The announced skills of the Silver Doctor are also closer to those of the Silver Turk than those of the Eighth Doctor. Apart from the voice, there is really no connection.


 * The whole business with the Silver Doctor looks a little gimmicky to me. To scare the audience with Cyber-Technology still on the loose in 19th century Vienna. And, being a gimmick, not much substance is given to it. Amorkuz ☎  00:49, April 24, 2016 (UTC)

Re: template
Seriously?! You're getting on my case after three days? There are messages I've left on talk pages that still haven't been answered for months or even years. I think you don't understand the difference between making quick cleanup edits (such as undoing, deleting, and minor corrections) and making a response that requires some time to research and compose an answer.

To address some of your specific comments:
 * "And not only did SOTO have no problem with the navbox" Well, his response was, "I can't say such an extensive infobox will be implemented." and he gave you various reasons why. To me that sounds like "No".
 * "I also asked P&P if there were any problems with it, and again was not told that it was an issue." I can't find her response to that question anywhere on your talk page. Please direct me to that response.
 * "Even you had a chance to stop me when you closed the thread." Closing that thread WAS my response. I closed it because SOTO's answer seemed to clearly state that we will not be using such a template.

If you have any further questions about this template, or the reasons SOTO gave you, please take them up with him on User talk:SOTO, as this is mostly his issue. I was merely the one who closed the thread. Shambala108 ☎  02:52, May 4, 2016 (UTC)

Night Flight to Nowhere
Well, while I was conducting research into the Fifth Doctor's most logical timeline, I looked inyo several sources for the troublesome Doctor Who Annual 1983. During my initial searching, it came upon me how much more like Roger Delgado the Master looked in this story's illusions than Anthony Ainley. My curiosity peaked, I looked into as many sources as I could to better understand the Master's plot and character in the story. And I found the evidence quite one-sided; I was going to overlook these facts, until I remembered The One, where the Eleventh Doctor confirmed what many had suspected for a while; that "the Master crosses his own timestream without care". With that in mind, the facts aligned to make it seem obvious that this was the case with Night Flight to Nowhere.
 * The Master's appearance already commented upon, but his vocabulary leans more toward Delgado as well.
 * His plot involves mass hypnotism, which the Delgado Master is widely known for.
 * He surrounds himself with business moguls, which the Delgado Master did more than any Master until John Simm.
 * As far as I know, Aniley's Master didn't engage in fisticuffs until the Cheetah virus, but the Master here fights the Doctor in the same style as Delgado.

That, or the artist for the story didn't put much thought into it, and the Eleventh Doctor just said that to retcon such similar instances. Either way works for me. :D.BananaClownMan ☎  13:43, May 12, 2016 (UTC)

Sonic continuity
Hi, CoT. I'm not sure what prompted your follow up message. I had left a message on this page, but it seems to have failed to materialise. With regard to article talk vs user talk, it's all about how personal (or not) message is. In this case, the fact that you addressed an issue, from the beginning of the topic, directly at me, it would be better suited to a user talk page. Conversely, the message you left me on my talk page is much closer to the sort suited to an article talk page.

Anyhoo, I left a reasonably complex explanation of policy, and lack thereof, with regards to "ongoing series" and in-universe continuity. However, given that Titan has since released another comic featuring the green sonic, you may very well be entirely justifiable in your placement. If these Year Two comics use the green sonic consistently, and if they are demonstrably set post-Davros, then, noting any reason given as to why, there isn't a problem with placing Ministry within 12's sonic sunnies period. However, it still isn't really a source for him still using his sonic post-Davros, so while you can place the events of Ministry during Series 9, it isn't really useful to site when you refer to his post-Davros use of the green sonic.

P.S. Battlefield doesn't feature Flowerchild's earring, so you needn't worry bout any continuity issues there. RogerAckroydLives ☎  05:36, May 14, 2016 (UTC)

Am I right?
Hey, friend. As I know you've noticed, I've been trying to find the most logical timeline for the Doctors, and now I'm told I may have been violating some of the rules by doing this. Now I'm sure if I should be doing this, and I thought I'd seek advice from a fellow user who likes to contribute to the timelines. So, please tell me; am I doing the right thing? I, just need someone to tell me if I'm in the wrong or not. Please.BananaClownMan ☎  15:42, June 3, 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for taking the time to reply, it really helped put my nerves at ease. I do see where you are coming from, but there is still this question no one has thus far seemed to answer; all entries into the biographies are based on speculation on some level, e.g. how do we really know where The Stockbridge Showdown comes in relation to the Doctor Who Adventures comics, or that either take place after The Husbands of River Song and not beforehand? Wouldn't it be better for the biography entries if we had more facts to back up where the stories fit together, even if the only hint is what the characters are wearing? Heck, R.A.L. rearranged the Eleventh Doctor's biography to fit with the Doctor's purple suit! BananaClownMan ☎  13:40, June 6, 2016 (UTC)

Also, I did not noticed you left me a birthday wish, must have been obscured by the following comment by Shambala108. Thank you for wishing me a happy birthday, it made me feel much better about myself. I'm going to follow your advice and try to keep my edits in check so I don't do any "fell swoops". BananaClownMan ☎  18:10, June 9, 2016 (UTC)

I appreciate your warning, but I wasn't referring to the timeline thing when I mentioned keeping my edits in check. That was just a general thing. Also, I have no intention to be spiteful to anyone. I was just explaining myself to her, and then asked something that had been bothering me as of late. All I want to do is try to make this the best source for information for new coming Who fans. Again thanks for the advice, its rare to see such friendly messages on the Internet.BananaClownMan ☎  08:59, June 10, 2016 (UTC)

Animal rights
Great! I couldn't find three animals encountered by the Doctor. And it's a good idea not to break it up according to the Doctors. Thanks. Amorkuz ☎  21:43, June 11, 2016 (UTC)

I remember a line where Macqueen remembers losing the pain originally. The "regeneration/body swop" scene in Vampire of the Mind is also different to The Two Masters, the one in Vampire not having the Cult of the Heretic present, and to me that looks like the regeneration scene. --Revan\Talk 10:18, June 14, 2016 (UTC)

I'm still pretty sure that the scene in Vampire of the Mind is different, but I'll remove the sentence for now. --Revan\Talk 11:22, June 14, 2016 (UTC)

Ah, having the script helps. Thanks for that :-) --Revan\Talk 13:43, June 14, 2016 (UTC)

Demeter
I didn't want to litter the general discussion, but thanks for catching that wrong link I've changed to a renamed wrong link without realising it was actually a planet. Amorkuz ☎  21:46, June 24, 2016 (UTC)

Howard theme
No offense taken,

I have no intention of being upset because of a wiki discussion.

Anyway that was nitpick on my part, I don't think seriously think that would confuse any wiki users. I just wanted to make it clear how we should name these categories since the Murray Gold ones are going to be a problem in any cases.

Regards, RingoRoadagain ☎  16:03, June 28, 2016 (UTC)

You have all the big ones but mine is slightly different:


 * 0th There is the "beta version" that he used only the series 1 trailer, but since it was not used in a story it can be ignored just like Derbyshire's unique theme for the pilot episode.


 * 1st Series 1 to 3 theme. I didn't notice any difference between series 1 and 2 but I will trust you on this one. If you are positive that there is a difference then I doubt to be able to distinguish it when they will be used in the audios (if not done so already). From the Doctor Who theme page, it states that they have the same intro theme but not the closing credits (the latest has the middle eight), so I won't argue with the distinction.


 * A unique variation for Voyage of the Damned.


 * 2nd The series 4 + specials version. (compared to Voyage of the Damned you can hear a new sound when title is coming at the screenn for example)


 * 3rd Series 5 to 7A


 * A unique variation for A Good Man Goes to war (Tardis noises)


 * A unique variation for the Snowmen


 * 4th Series 7B


 * Day of the Doctor ending


 * 5th Series 8 to 9


 * Robot of Sherwood begins with the Derbyshire string.

I think it would be better to use not count the unique variations as his "main variations", like you suggested for Day of the Doctor

That's because of all these one-off variations mess that I was considering doing the same for the Damaged Goods Carter theme. But you were right to point out that it would be wrong to say "the" Carter theme, since he did more than one and unless he makes other variations in the future, I think that it can stay as it currently is.

So that would make 6 "main" themes like you did (since I am apparently wrong for the Series 1 theme being like 2 & 3)

I already put the one-off episodes in the unique variations category.

I would therefore agree to use your numbering but I suggest to put the words "main variation" in the category titles to note that these are just the ones used more than once.

for example, "Stories that use Murray Gold's 1st main variation theme" or something like that, there might be a better and/or shorter phrasing.

Regards. RingoRoadagain ☎  19:36, June 28, 2016 (UTC)

DWM and spoilers
Hmmm, I've reread the spoiler policy and you may be right. Or at least I'm not 100% either way. I know what the comic says because I'm a subscriber the magazine and the latest issue come in through my mailbox, which it normally does on the Wednesday before it hits the physical magazine stands, and is currently sitting behind me. But I think you may have a point about the official release. -- Tybort (talk page) 15:32, June 29, 2016 (UTC)

Taggani
Hi! I finally lay my hands on Hacked. I have a question about Taggani. How do we know he is human? I did not find any mention of his species in the story. But maybe I missed it? Amorkuz ☎  22:46, July 7, 2016 (UTC)


 * I wish comic book days were happening in my current country... The phrase about ancestors is probably the following: "I was using toys like that helmet when your ancestors were discovering steam-power." At first, I thought he was human too. But steam power is a likely stage in development of many civilisations. And human-looking aliens appeared many times. So it feels to me that, conservatively speaking, the species has not been confirmed. Given some recent carefully crafted innuendos, like Osgood's supposed relation to Tom Osgood, which was reinforced without a definite confirmation, or a whole long scene of a battle between Time Lords and Daleks relying on the listener mixing the two sides, I would be hesitant to read too much into this short phrase. Amorkuz ☎  06:29, July 8, 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks. By the way, I wouldn't have caught the throwaway reference to Taggani in Doctormania if you hadn't created a page for him. So thank you also for that. Amorkuz ☎  17:10, July 8, 2016 (UTC)

Novelisation
You bring up a good point, but how exactly does this wiki view the canoncy of the novilisations. I had known about the reference to Fenric, but had chose to ignore it when I saw that the other Survival pages had not included the novilisation in their biographies, merely mentioning the difference to the serial in the trivia section.BananaClownMan ☎  15:19, July 20, 2016 (UTC)

I couldn't find the bit you were walking about, could you please tell the part you were refereeing too. Mean while, could you give me some time to rethink this, as all on-screen evidence points to the production order, and this evidence thus put a spanner in that train of though, so I'll need more time to over see my options before I decide to turn my back (again) on my current philosophy towards the troublesome Seven.BananaClownMan ☎  15:41, July 20, 2016 (UTC)

Hey, man, hope I helped ya out with the Skinks. Listen, I'm trying to get a democratic solution to this Seven TV chronograph think that's been going down at The Panopticon. So, until August 31, I'm taking a back seat from 7's timeline, and, if you want to edit the Survival prose bit, go ahead, I won't start an edit war over it either. But, if you want to give your two cents to this debate, feel free to join us at The Panopticon.BananaClownMan ☎  21:44, July 21, 2016 (UTC)