User talk:Borisashton

Images
All images uploaded to the wiki must have a copyright license attached, such as. This can be selected from the dropdown when uploading or by putting the template on the file page. If your uploaded images do not have licenses, they will be deleted. Also, all images must be at least 250 pixels wide. You can find a quick list of image rules at Help:Image cheat card. Thanks! 17:32, January 11, 2017 (UTC)

Dimensions in Time thread
I see you like your invalid sources, perhaps you might like to take a look at this thread http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:211495 just here. 82.3.146.201talk to me 18:09, February 25, 2017 (UTC)

Questions
Hello! I was to first off thank you so much for contributing so many fine images to this wikia. Article illustrations are so important, and invalid stories are so often left to the side. I do have a few questions about the stories you've presented, since it appears that you're the only person who has seen many of these.

My first question comes down to the Facebook-only Zygon segments. How much do these adaptations entail? Audio, narration? If so, one could likely make the case that the stories are very much novelisations, and thus should not be invalid. Of course we would need to have a discussion about this, and I am just inquiring on the details of the story in case we ever want to go down the route.

The one that certainly hooks me the most is Christmas Past, which is the second LEGO product to feature DWU characters, and it's also the only DWU Lego product to be produced through stop-frame animation. My question is this: have you seen the suggested original upload which was not part of a collage? The one that was actually called Christmas Past? Surely you must get your info from somewhere.

If you have, what do Clara and the Doctor watch on the TV in the original? The answer to this could be very important, as it could decide if the story is declared an advertisement or not. If they watch an ad, then it simply can't be valid according to our policy (we've, at one point or another, come to the conclusion that ads are not stories). But if they watch something else, then it's a whole other ball-park.

If you see any other story where you think there's the case to be make for the story to be valid despite it being a "sketch" or such and such, hit me up with that info and we can chat over it. OS25 (Talk) 22:18, March 13, 2017 (UTC)

Re: images
Hi! You can always go to Special:Recentchanges to find the specific reasons for deletions. I've deleted a bunch of images over the last couple of weeks, but I believe that the ones I did recently were mostly >100kb, when we require images to be <100kb. I also deleted one that had no license, but I can't remember whose it was. Shambala108 ☎  01:43, March 15, 2017 (UTC)

Infobox Merchandise
Heya :) Thanks for your recent edits. :) Just wanted to let you know, though, that really isn't meant to be used the way you're using it. It's supposed to be for toys, games, wearables, edibles even -- but not for ranges of narratives (or ads or near-narratives).

I'll soon be introducing a new infobox for ranges, but understand that in the past we've implicitly agreed not to have a infobox on pages like Doctor Who and Torchwood. And I'm still not super-convinced it's a great idea on the novel ranges, cause names like BBC Eighth Doctor Adventures aren't actually official.

But that's maybe a slightly different question. Until the new infobox comes in, though, please stop using for describing any sort of narrative/video/advertising range. Thanks! :) 18:19: Mon 24 Apr 2017

New editor bug
Yeah, I can confirm it's definitely weird and a bug. But the code that does that little thing isn't local to Tardis. So I'll have to go on a hunt elsewhere at Fandom to figure out what's going on. It's definitely on the list, if a little lower down. 19:07: Mon 24 Apr 2017

Crossover madness
Okay, let's do this. First of all, there is a very useful page Crossover explaining the concept and giving many examples.

That characters who have set foot in DWU once should not be covered in all their other appearances is detailed in the last post/closing remarks of CzechOut on Sleeze Brothers.

Then there was a follow up with several examples of gratuitous appearances of characters from other properties, also from CzechOut. I'll just copy it here and create some links: Some of our users here at Tardis have been trying for a month or two to make some kind of rule that "if a character is in a DWU property, then prior or subsequent appearances are also in the DWU. But there is no such rule in T:VS. And, in fact, there's precedence to suggest otherwise, as with Sherlock Holmes, Dracula, Jar Jar Binks, and a whole host of others.

The other threads are still open and either too long or a bit too heated. So I'll not quote them here. I do realise that I somehow did not find a clear statement that a crossover character meeting the Doctor should be valid. But this should immediately follow from T:VS and from the multiple precedents. Hope this helps. Amorkuz ☎  23:30, April 27, 2017 (UTC)

Crossover madness
When in doubt, it's always a good idea to ask. As for the closing of the thread, it should be done by another admin, one who did not participate in the discussion. It's not a problem for the thread to stay open though: the stories were explicitly ruled to be valid after another (very short) debate. By T:BOUND, they remain valid until ruled otherwise. In other words, despite our thread remaining open, there is no problem editing the stories. Amorkuz ☎  21:58, April 30, 2017 (UTC)

The Big Bang Theory
Hi, don't worry. I did see that. But Inclusion debates is specifically intended for discussions of validity. Strictly speaking, this thread was off-topic. Such questions should properly be discussed in the Panopticon.

I was interrupted in the process of writing the closing remarks, so left this secondary concern without explicit response. Sorry about that. I will add it to the thread.

Let me, by way of apology, give a more detailed answer to you personally. But essentially the answer is present on the thread. OttselSpy25 perfectly summed up the practice of the wiki: "We can't have a page on every cultural reference to Doctor Who..." This accurately describes the policy of the wiki regarding cultural references.

First of all, an extended cultural reference is still a cultural reference. Whether a story (SitL in this case) is mentioned by name, discussed contentwise or shown onscreen, it is still the same story. There is no material difference between Sheldon saying that he watched SitL and Sheldon actually watching SitL onscreen. In fact, I would say that the former is of more importance since it is almost inevitably the primary focus of the mise-en-scène, whereas a working TV set with SitL on can easily serve as a background to something else.

Secondly, you say yourself that it is unreasonable to cover the whole episode of TBBT, just the part of it with SitL. But it has been a long-standing policy of the wiki to only consider full stories. For valid stories, this is formulated explicitly as the first of the four little rules. But the same principle clearly applies to invalid stories too. After all, given the power to edit out inconvenient portions, one could make almost any story valid. Take, for instance, Thread:209691. If one could remove all features of Chronotis that come into conflict with Shada, the objection of AeD and the final ruling based on it would not have made sense.

In fact, if anything, the coverage of TBBT on Cultural references to the Doctor Who universe should be compactified and consolidated. It is more than adequate and an interwiki link w:c:bigbangtheory:sheldon will always be more informative than any page created on this wiki.

For all these reasons, this proposal wouldn't have merit on the Panopticon. Amorkuz ☎  22:29, May 5, 2017 (UTC)

Capital images
Hi, I think the simplest solution is for you to reupload the images with extension .jpg. I'll delete that .JPG ones. Thanks for not ruining the table. Amorkuz ☎  20:23, May 10, 2017 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for correcting my mistake. Amorkuz ☎  17:48, May 13, 2017 (UTC)

No real world
Hi, I've noticed that you're uploading and putting on pages images that were flashing, usually without context, in the Pyramid and in Monks' broadcasts. I would like to remind you of T:NO RW. In short, you cannot identify a person by the image based on your real-world knowledge. In order to put those images on pages, you need either to use the context (like in the case of Neil Armstrong, where the event is identified by the narrator and there is enough prior DWU information to understand who is in the spacesuit) or you need to compare the image with images of the same person that were featured in the DWU before. In the latter case, however, the new image is in most cases simply redundant in the presence of a superior image. A good example is your image of "Gagarin", which is so fuzzy that it would have been impossible to tell whether it is really him even if other images existed.

I would appreciate if you remove those images that are based on your real-world knowledge rather than DWU information from pages. Thank you in advance. Amorkuz ☎  08:21, June 8, 2017 (UTC)


 * Yes, BTS is completely fine and actually useful. There may be some obscure link that would make the connection already. Or it can appear later one. Amorkuz ☎  18:23, June 8, 2017 (UTC)

Categories
Hey, I see that you recently added a category to Category:Cybermen which one would likely see on the page Cyberman. This will not do for a very specific reason.

The point of sub-categories is that it makes placements on pages less redundant. So there's no need to put both Category:Third Doctor TVA comic stories and Category:TVA comic stories on COMIC: The Celluloid Midas. What this means is that every single category branching back all the way through starting with Category:Third Doctor TVA comic stories must apply to said page. This is why Category:11D comic stories does not feature Category:Eleventh Doctor comic stories as a sub-category, as there is at least one 11D comic stories which does not feature the Eleventh Doctor.

Now the problem with pages like Category:Sarah Jane Smith and Category:The Master is that people tend to mistakenly add categories like Category:Companions of the Doctor and Category:Individual Time Lords to them. What this means is that a page like Bubble Shock! end up indirectly being within Category:Companions of the Doctor, or a page like Chang Lee ends up within Category:Individual Time Lords. Thus, for most categories dedicated to sorting other categories by species or person, the only category that can be placed on those pages is Category:Catalogue of Life.

As pages like Telos and Cyber-megatron bomb are within Category:Cybermen, it will never be proper to place Category:Cyborg species within said sub-category. OS25 (Talk) 17:16, June 14, 2017 (UTC)


 * Yea, I tried to go around fixing this up where I've seen it, but I think there's a bigger issue at play. I think that most categories that end in "x species" should be renamed. For instance, Bill Potts would fit within Category:Humanoids. She would not fit within Category:Humanoid species. But in the case of something like Category:Cybermen at least, there is no case to be made for keeping the species categories. OS25 (Talk) 17:43, June 14, 2017 (UTC)


 * Oh, quick tip! If you're going to a link to a category put a : before the word Category. So Category:Cybermen links as Category:Cybermen without adding the category Cybermen. OS25 (Talk) 17:52, June 14, 2017 (UTC)

Blocked for plagiarism
Hey, a number of admin have grown concerned over your recent additions surrounding things from the so-called "Leekley Bible". It appears to us as if you may have simply cut and pasted copy directly from Shannon Sullivan's website. This is strictly disallowed under T:THEFT. Worse, T:THEFT specifically names Shanon Sullivan's site as one that shouldn't be copied. Shannon's site isn't published under the same kind of license Tardis is, and their content isn't freely available for us to copy.

Therefore, just as universities will come down on you hard if you plaigiarise, so, too, must we. Your recent work will be audited, and probably largely removed. And you will be prevented from editing until 23 November 2017. Please note that several admin arrived at this decision, jointly -- both in terms of determining that plaigiarism occurred and what the length of the block should be. 20:03: Fri 23 Jun 2017

Now we are six hundred
Please refrain from adding material from sources whose validity has not been established to the in-universe parts of pages. Amorkuz ☎  07:18, November 25, 2017 (UTC)


 * Clarification: All poems in the book are invalid until their validity is decided by inclusion debate(s). Thank you for alerting me about that page. I will deal with it. Also please reread Tardis:Canon policy that clearly states that there is no canon on this wiki. Amorkuz ☎  08:35, November 25, 2017 (UTC)

RE: video
Thank you. I did scan the video (did not rewatch the whole thing) before uploading, and didn't find the mention of a future Doctor. The video has been deleted, and will be uploaded again when that information is no longer a spoiler. Thank you again for coming to me. 00:09, November 27, 2017 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for defending the wiki from overly aggressive users. In order to improve our coordination in the future, a couple of points. It is more efficient to notify an admin on their talk page than to continue undoing edits. If need be, the edits can be reverted at any time. So, unless the new state of the page makes babies cry in their prams and birds fall from the sky, it is not necessary to return the page to the original state right on the spot. What needs to be done is to suggest a discussion on a talk page and notify an admin. What should be avoided (and was avoided in this case, which I am very happy about) is replying in kind and making too many undo edits. Note that if one user makes 4 edits and the other user undoes them 4 times, then both have engaged in an edit war and both are likely to be blocked. As I said, it did not happen this time, but you came very close. Make sure to always keep a cool head. Amorkuz ☎  23:10, January 1, 2018 (UTC)

Hello
My name is Kinji Takigawa Party Night and I'm from America. So... What's your favorite and least favorite doctor. My favorite doctor is the Fourth Doctor and my least favorite doctor is war doctor.

4thDoctorRules 22:05, February 6, 2018 (UTC)

TerryNation.jpg
Hey hey :) As requested, I added TerryNation.jpg to the category Terror Nation documentary images yesterday. 18:26: Thu 08 Feb 2018

User talk pages
Hi, I'm asking you to refrain from adding the "unsigned" template on user talk pages. It's fine to do it with article talk pages, but please leave the unsigned comments on user talk pages alone. It's frustrating to get an email notification of a new talk page message only to have it be someone adding a signature. Thanks! Shambala108 ☎  20:50, February 25, 2018 (UTC)

Re
I thought the old version was better. Can't remember my exact reasons at the moment, but that's why.--WarGrowlmon18 ☎  01:20, March 7, 2018 (UTC)

Re: Wikipedia template
Hi! Thanks for your concerns about the template.

Basically, the wikipediainfo template is best used for real world articles (people, places, culture, etc etc etc) that we don't know a whole lot about in the DWU and therefore can't include in our articles. If someone really wants to know more about, say, the Dancing House, beyond what we include on the wiki, they can go to wikipedia for info. This helps to avoid speculation on this type of page and to avoid people going beyond what the stories tell us.

As for the fictional elements of the DWU, though, like you say, our articles are superior to wikipedia's (and probably most other sites on the internet). We don't want people leaving the wiki to get information when they can get it here.

As for your specific question, The Doctor (The Girl Who Loved Doctor Who), I don't know anything about that story, but I can't imagine that wikipedia would necessarily even have an article about that character (they have notability guidelines that we don't), but if they do, it still probably wouldn't be as thorough as ours.

And P.S. thanks for the heads-up about the vandalistic pages. Shambala108 ☎  23:54, March 26, 2018 (UTC)

Infoboxes and novelisations
It's understood that if an individual is in a TV story they're likely in the novelisation as well. For those rare cases where a character is only in one or the other, then the body of the article should explain that, for maximum clarity. 21:46: Mon 16 Apr 2018

Categorising images
Just wanted to drop in and tell you that I appreciate your hard work on this project. This is not to say that your other work is any worse, but the lack of character categories is something that I myself noticed too but did not have time to address. So kudos and thanks. Amorkuz ☎  22:52, April 23, 2018 (UTC)

Time Lords with unknown names
Hi, I notice earlier today you added Category:Time Lords with unknown names to a lot of incarnations of the Doctor. However, it might come to interest that the category is defined (on it's page) as "This category is not for pseudononymous Time Lords, but for Time Lords who are never named in-story.". This means that, even if we don't know the Doctor's true name, we do know a name (a pseudonym) for them.

I believe the category is meant to be used for Time Lords such as President (Birth of a Renegade), Time Lord 2 (Colony in Space) and Adjudicator (Thin Ice), who we know literally no name at all, and the page is named by their rank, profession, or simply the fact that they're Time Lords. OncomingStorm12th ☎  18:18, April 29, 2018 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I decided to wait until a "discussion"/chat, (recent edit wars were stressful enough that I'm trying to avoid them at any cost) and now it seems Shambala108 beat us to it. Anyway, thankfully this was another situation that was easily fixed. OncomingStorm12th ☎  20:40, April 29, 2018 (UTC)

Death Hoax
I was upset at first. But... It was just Death Hoax. https://en.mediamass.net/people/tom-baker/deathhoax.html

Category page numbers
Heya :)

As you likely know, the previous 200/next 200 link is the standard way that category pages work on MediaWiki installation. The explanation given at Wikipedia's help page applies here:
 * A category page can only display a limited number of items (currently 200). If more pages belong to the category, there will be a link to the next ones. (emphasis added)

We've never had page number links of the kind you described here at Tardis. Like many bigger wikis — for example, Wookieepedia and Memory Alpha — that system isn't as useful just because we've got way more articles on hand. Because it also contains an image component, it can make a category turn into a multi-page affair when it doesn't need to be. So we long ago rejected it in favour of something that's generally more useful to our needs.

We use a script on Dev Wiki that allows for the display of more than 200 pages on a single category page, so that you don't have to flip between category pages. For instance, 20th century individuals is a category with close to 5k members. But instead of having to flip through the pages and guess where the Ts are, it's all on one page. Given that there are also double alpha-indices on the page, it's super easy to find whomever you're looking for — way better than the page number system you're describing.

However, you have run into a limitation of the script. See, screenshots doesn't house pages so much as media. The script doesn't see media as pages — so it's not at all triggered on that category page. And it never has been.

This means that media categories have always just had the standard previous 200/next 200 link at the top. To the extent that we've ever needed to manipulate these image categories — which is to say, not much at all — we've simply used a bot. It's pretty easy and painless — and it preserves the all-on-one-page feature for the categories most of our readers care about.

So if you'll give me more information on what you're trying to achieve, I'm happy to give you some bot help, or possibly design a DPL or trick, but The Tenth Doctor Archives: Volume 2 or Doctor Who The Official Annual 2020 won't be a problem. 01:21, June 3, 2020 (UTC)

About "Spearhead from Space"
Your revisions of "Spearhead from Space," some of which involved correcting my errors, made points that I found well taken. I stand admonished for having been wrong. Parker Gabriel (SCC-47106) 20:29, June 10, 2020 (UTC)

Gulliver Edit
Hi, so the reason behind the edit wasn't so much that it wasn't contradicted, but more that the page isn't merged with Goth, so I felt that there was a reason that the pages were separate. Never Forget The Day The 456 Arrived ☎  19:38, June 18, 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, it does mention that Goth is Gulliver in Future Imperfect, at least according to the page. But yeah, you make an interesting point. Maybe in the future multiple pages for the Gullivers could be created? Never Forget The Day The 456 Arrived ☎  19:46, June 18, 2020 (UTC)

Re: spoilers
Hi yes that's a pretty old practice that has long since been discarded, I think even before I became an admin. I will get rid of it ASAP. Thanks Shambala108 ☎  22:26, July 23, 2020 (UTC)
 * OK I amended Tardis:Spoiler policy. It looks like what happened was User:CzechOut doing a re-vamp of the policy, splitting it into several pages, and apparently forgetting about finishing the project. So the newer page, Tardis:Where spoilers are allowed, has the correct info, while Tardis:Spoiler policy still had the old info. Anyway, mission accomplished. Shambala108 ☎  22:31, July 23, 2020 (UTC)

Who Killed Kennedy
Hey Borisashton, I'm going to undo your edit on "character stub" for the Kennedy article. I finished the book a couple days ago and if you view the character's wiki page from the source there's a specific warning saying that anything relating to the assassination of Kennedy should be referenced in the article Kennedy assassination. There's not really much else to add, there's small sentences where he (author/Stevens) throws a tid-bit or two about Jacqueline Kennedy's dress covered in bloodstains and how she refused to take it off, the death of Kennedy's brother and the uncovering of his promiscuity but I don't think that qualifies as dubbing the article a "stub", especially when those points would be better suited to the pages of those respective individuals. Anyway let me know your thoughts! DoctorQuoi ☎  17:25, July 31, 2020 (UTC)DoctorQuoi

RE: Who Killed Kennedy
Hi Borisashton, OOPS, my sincerest apologies I'm so sorry! I didn't realize you were going to be editing it. No problem then. Please let me know in case you need to double-check anything or need to track down a certain part of the book, I have a copy in my possession and seeing as I just finished it this week (it was so good I couldn't put it down!!) it's still pretty fresh in my memory. Take care! DoctorQuoi ☎  21:38, July 31, 2020 (UTC)DoctorQuoi

Master reply
Since the page has been decreed too long, I felt my best way to shorten it was to remove the stubs I had added.BananaClownMan ☎  12:27, August 1, 2020 (UTC)


 * Oh, sure, re-add at your pleasure.BananaClownMan ☎  23:32, August 1, 2020 (UTC)

The Pilot Episode and the edits I made
Hi, so just to clarify, the reason I originally made those edits was because I felt that, since it is an invalid source, yet also a story, I felt that the characters (particularly the Doctor and Susan) were somewhat different enough to get their own page. Is there anything that I've misinterpreted that wouldn't allow for such a page to be created? Never Forget The Day The 456 Arrived ☎  21:30, August 11, 2020 (UTC)

Quinn and Exclusive!
Hi, just saw your message on my wall.

I found that Quinn's mother was named "Hazel" here and it seemed obvious to me that the pictures are from Quinn's private family album; as I also think I recognise Quinn himself on the "faulty regeneration" picture.

Thinking again, the phrasing should probably not be as affirmative as i made it back then. If he has a twitter account maybe someone could ask him directly? (i have no presence there)RingoRoadagain ☎  14:24, August 16, 2020 (UTC)

Vandalism
Hi please note that it is against policy to edit other editors' user pages (specifically Tardis:Vandalism policy, though to be clear I am not accusing you of vandalism here). So while your efforts to remove vandalism from User:CzechBot are appreciated, in the future please just let an admin know when/if a user page or user talk page has been vandalized. Thanks! Shambala108 ☎  02:11, August 24, 2020 (UTC)

Doctor Who Confidential
Thanks for the comment, it's much appreciated! Yeah, I've been watching them all for the first time in years so I figured I may as well add the needed detail to the stubs. It's been quite fun tackling them! JDPManjoume ☎  19:54, September 9, 2020 (UTC)

Doctor Whoah! problems
Hey there! Thanks again for your initial help in getting my Doctor Whoah! coverage started. Unfortunately the coverage has currently come to a screeching halt due to an issue I've gone in depth about in Thread:283427. Since you have access to the original issues, I was hoping maybe you could help to remedy the situation? WaltK ☎  18:46, September 15, 2020 (UTC)

Class timeline
Once again, the compliment is much appreciated - thanks! I appreciate the notation of the rationale had on those pages. It's certainly a thought to keep in mind regarding the days on which certain events occur, and it helps with cementing where The Coach with the Dragon Tattoo lies (possibly Sweet Nothings too for a 17th to 21st October dating, if we squint and hope that only the first five days of it need to be pre-Armitage's death.) ... but I think it's gonna be tough to uphold the assumptions (understandable, of course, at the time) of where Nightvisiting lies. Joyride is gonna need a clean consecutive post-Coach pre-NV four days, with the fourth one on a Tuesday... and the earliest that can be is 29th Oct to 1st Nov... but then that's requiring some serious squeezing of The Creeper being amidst that...

Ultimately, it's a tough one overall. We have at best two months (give or take a week) of in-universe time, and sadly; 12 days in TV, 21 days in books and 34 days in audio. With a lost of explicit days and gaps. The difficulties of a TV show being so tightly timelined and with little room for when Big Finish came along.

If you're curious, I've attempted before (admittedly somewhat out of date now, as before some of my newer thoughts in tackling the Wiki timeline page) to try and fit episodes around each other - probably a bit more presumptively than what would be permissable here - and even then, it was still throwing up some issues. You can find that if you search Twitter for the word timeline and the ClassDW hashtag.

I think my big concern with the tangled web of it is really about doing too much without others looking in on it whilst it's going on, and possibly going a bit too far. But thanks once again for the compliment and for bringing the Coach date to mind, as I'd forgotten about that. JDPManjoume ☎  21:49, September 19, 2020 (UTC)

Re: Behind the scenes
There you go! Now use it wisely. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎  16:59, November 3, 2020 (UTC)