User talk:DoctorQuoi

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Explanation
Hi. I thought I would just pop by to explain why I removed your first edit on Hexagora (audio story) about the reference to A Christmas Carol. The main issue with that edit was that the sentence you added the source to said that the Doctor had been engaged before, and the engagement to Marilyn Monroe did not fit that criteria as it happened in the Doctor's future. LauraBatham ☎  05:56, June 13, 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi LauraBatham, thank you very much for the explanation, I completely understand! I'm still new to the wiki so I'm still in the learning process. Thank you very much for fixing my silly mistake(s)! 

Just FYI
Not an admin, but just a heads up, deleting your own talk page isn't kosher under T:VAN. Najawin ☎  06:09, June 13, 2020 (UTC)

Thank you! Yes I'm terribly sorry, I'm still new to the wiki and still learning how it works, and still having a bit of trouble. Thank you for undoing my "idiotic" mistake!


 * Also going to note that you can indent code with multiple ":" s and sign your comments with "~" (four tildes). Najawin ☎  06:23, June 13, 2020 (UTC)


 * I see, thank you very much for the helpful information user Najawin! What is required for making a sign for comments? Also, I notice that you are a mathematics and philosophy major! I study Chemical Physics and would be very interested in writing more wiki articles based on mathematics and science. How can we get started on this project? DoctorQuoi ☎  06:30, June 13, 2020 (UTC)DoctorQuoi


 * I'm not technically a philosophy major, my minor was that. I don't like talking about my personal life too much, but effectively my areas of interest (without going into issues of specialization, which is too much for me to be comfortable about) would be something like history and philosophy of science, as well as foundations of physics, and both of those specifically related to quantum mechanics and structuralism. In general though, this wiki doesn't talk about issues unless they're mentioned in the DWU, and it doesn't talk about them that much past what is said about them in the DWU. So for instance, I've gone through and tried to add or clean up small behind the scene sections for most of the quantum physics entries here. EG: Klein-Gordon field had no behind the scenes section and so the entire thing was just technobabble to any reader of the wiki. But creating an entry for, say, Bohmian Mechanics, while something I would adore, would be outside the scope of this wiki. Najawin ☎  06:44, June 13, 2020 (UTC)


 * Oh, I see. My apologies for asking, that was very rude of me. Thank you for the explanation though. That really is a shame as there is quite a lot of potential in that and honestly I do get rather sad when the show and the wiki rely on technobabble rather than legitimate science but it is understandable. I guess that would explain why the Happy prime page was so small. That is too bad. I do also remember seeing the Klein-Gordon field page and was wondering why it was so small compared to the chapters I have seen in my QFT course textbook! Is there no way to convince the admins of the legitimacy of such a project? I would be happy to continue this conversation in private if that is what you may prefer. Is there a way to exchange such information on the wiki via some communication channel that is not related to the "talk" button featured on a user's page? DoctorQuoi ☎  06:53, June 13, 2020 (UTC)DoctorQuoi
 * P.S. I also notice that each time I update this page, your edit for the note that user LauraBatham left seems to disappear. Is there something I am doing wrong or that I am doing to cause this. Each time I see a new message I just "edit" the talk page. Should I not be doing this?

No worries, but I'd really rather not. The policy for the wiki is that things are meant to be for the average user who will come to the site. So saying, "oh, you've heard of the Schrodinger equation and relativity, combine those for some particles, that sorta works" makes sense. Getting into the nuances of what the exact equation is, spin, QFT, etc etc, that will harm the average reader more than it helps them. I don't think I ever edited Laura's comment. So I'm not sure what that's about. Speaking of Chemical Physics though, have you read Woolley's 1978 paper? Must a Molecule Have a Shape? It raised a lot of questions people still haven't found completely satisfactory answers for. Najawin ☎  07:11, June 13, 2020 (UTC)
 * No problem, I understand about it being too much for a general user. My friends certainly get bored to tears anytime I start talking about my work. I guess I just need some new friends haha! Anyhow, don't worry about the problem with user LauraBatham 's comment, I found out what happened, I kept clicking on the "recent edit" part of the notification so it was showing me the most recent edit to the page (the green text that usually appears at the top of the page when you check the latest update to a page showing you where the update happened. Actually, it's funny you should mention R. Guy Woolley. His name was brought up a few times in an advanced undergraduate Inorganic Chemistry class I took since I believe his work on calculating Hamiltonians for those types of high-spin molecules is quite prominent in the field. The professor also mentioned about his work in other areas of Chemistry and Physics but I was, ashamedly, uninterested by it at the time and never really bothered to check out more. I am currently a "graduate grunt" who is more focused on experimental theoretical science rather than philosophical so I have never really had a chance to pursue that area. To bring this back around to R.G. Woolley, I also took a statistical mechanics class in which his name was brought up again and the professor for that course recommended we, in fact, read that very same 1978 paper you mentioned. Sadly, I am ashamed to admit that I failed to for the second time, mostly because I was more interested when I found out at the end of the course about how Statistical Mechanics has been revived since it is playing such a big role in machine learning and neural networks currently (I even wrote my term paper on it) so I spent all my holiday reading time on that instead. I may have some time to go over that paper now that quarantine is still in full force, so we'll see! Why, may I ask, do you ask? DoctorQuoi ☎  07:33, June 13, 2020 (UTC)DoctorQuoi


 * Curiosity to some extent. It's probably one of the few areas of chemistry I have any knowledge of whatsoever though, since it's specifically about whether shape, a form of structure, can become emergent from quantum mechanics (the answer being in general no, meaning that chemistry isn't straightforwardly reducible to physics [actually there was a later paper by someone else, I forget who, arguing that pilot wave theory has the philosophical capacity to allow for chemistry, but the point remains that quantum mechanics in general can't necessarily produce chemistry]). Najawin ☎  07:54, June 13, 2020 (UTC)


 * I see! Sadly for us "scientific scumbags" we just assume that it's true and run with it from there hehehe! Although it's fascinating to think about the implications and even moreso that Chemistry cannot be purely reduced to Physics. No wonder we can only use crude approximations and very poor models to help us. Thanks for bringing it to my attention! Hopefully when things are a bit more calm this summer I'll have some time to pursue the article. DoctorQuoi ☎  18:49, June 13, 2020 (UTC)DoctorQuoi

Eddy Currents
Having not listened to Hexagora (audio story) I'm not sure what all that page would say. However, at the top of the wiki, on the right hand side you should see something like "82,926 pages" and then to the right, "ADD". If you click "ADD", that should allow you to create a page. That would then create a page that you could fill in. I'll also note that you link to users by User:(Name here), not (Name here) Najawin ☎  22:17, June 13, 2020 (UTC)


 * Understood, thank you very much user Najawin. Will make the page when I have some time today or tomorrow. DoctorQuoi ☎  22:21, June 13, 2020 (UTC)DoctorQuoi

Re: still learning
Hi no problem. We do have a ton of rules that you will probably run up against, and I don't want to bore you now with all of them. Just to let you know, though, if you have any questions, you can ask any admin. Shambala108 ☎  23:09, June 13, 2020 (UTC)


 * I see, thank you very much Shambala108! Yes I tried reading the many pages devoted to the editing style but it is very difficult to remember it all. I did try to pay particular attention to the image uploading policy as well as style and other such objectives. I will try be reserved in my edits for the first few months so I don't cause you admins too much headache haha, I am just a kind of person that needs to actively engage in the process to fully understand how it works, making mistakes and all, like most people. I will be more careful editing and will most certainly be asking you all questions when they arise! Thank you so much again! DoctorQuoi ☎  23:21, June 13, 2020 (UTC)DoctorQuoi
 * Hi as long as you don't mind the corrections, and hopefully any edit summaries will try to explain what's been corrected. But you can always ask if there's a specific correction you don't understand. Shambala108 ☎  23:28, June 13, 2020 (UTC)

Eddy currents
Hey there. With the Eddy Currents links you made, are you referring to a character mentioned in the audio story or the electrical currents? It is vital you make it clear which one you mean because right now, the link and grammar are very confusing, since the page link is a name but the works after don't follow naming grammar. Snivy   ✦ The coolest Pokemon ever ✦   23:58, June 13, 2020 (UTC)

Individuals Who Have Kissed the Doctor Category
Hi DoctorQuoi, so I'm not an admin, so take what I say with a grain of salt, but in my opinion, yes, Nyssa should very much be counted.

Also, something I do know, is that we 100% cover books and audios, as well as other things. Does that help with your question? Never Forget The Day The 456 Arrived ☎  22:31, June 15, 2020 (UTC)

Forum
So remember how I mentioned the button to "ADD" pages? Similarly if you also look in the menu bar in that banner, there's "EXPLORE", which has a dropdown menu. "FORUM" will bring you to the forum. The two most active boards are "The Panopticon", sort of the general policy discussion board and "Inclusion debates", for if certain stories should be considered as "valid" under T:VALID. Najawin ☎  22:52, June 15, 2020 (UTC)


 * No need to ask the forum these things. Usually using the talk pages, so, for example, Talk:Hexagora (audio story), would be the better place, unless it's a massive change. Like Never said. The forum is usually for bigger issues. Najawin ☎  23:10, June 15, 2020 (UTC)


 * I see, thank you!! DoctorQuoi ☎  23:13, June 15, 2020 (UTC)DoctorQuoi


 * Of course. The example I left is a page that doesn't yet exist, but, for example, Talk:TARDIS Eruditorum does, so you can see how people use the talk pages. Najawin ☎  23:16, June 15, 2020 (UTC)

To be more specific, forum posts at Board:The Panopticon are for issues that affect multiple pages. If you have a question about one specific page, you can post it on the article's talk page (sometimes you may have to create it). And to repeat what I posted above, if you have any questions, please ask an admin. User:SOTO, User:OncomingStorm12th and I are the ones who mostly contribute to the wiki at this time. Thanks Shambala108 ☎  23:21, June 15, 2020 (UTC)

RE: Individuals who have kissed the Doctor Category
Well, the category isn't for stories, it's just for characters. And, just to clarify, if there's a small, not really controversial change, then you can just go ahead. If it's slightly controversial, probably go over to the talk page of the page you're planning to edit. If it's a change or proposal that will affect multiple pages, head over to Board:The Panopticon. For admins, just go over to their talk pages and they'll usually have the answers. If you go here Special:Community, you'll be able to see all the admins. Best of luck with the plot summaries! Never Forget The Day The 456 Arrived ☎  22:56, June 15, 2020 (UTC)

Working on a page
Hi you perhaps don't know that we have a template you can use if you're trying to do multiple edits for a page and want to keep others from editing while you're doing so. It's the template. Put it at the top of the page, and don't forget to remove it when you're done. The template really shouldn't be on the page for more than 72 hours. See Template:Inuse to see what it looks like. Shambala108 ☎  02:37, June 18, 2020 (UTC)

Plots
Hi, first of all, thanks for filling out plot summaries. There are so many that need to be filled out, and as someone who has done hundreds of them, I appreciate when others do so as well. I just need to point out that there are various formatting and punctuation issues when you copy/paste from other sources, so if possible, could you maybe start a sandbox page where you can work on summaries and then copy/paste from there? That would save a lot of tedious cleanup work. Thanks! Shambala108 ☎  22:45, June 21, 2020 (UTC)


 * No need to apologize, and for creating a sandbox, all you need to do is type (or copy/paste) the following into your browser: https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/User:DoctorQuoi/sandbox - that should create a sandbox for you. Then if you want to make others, you can just add numbers after them like a lot of us do. Shambala108 ☎  23:49, June 21, 2020 (UTC)
 * Actually you can just click on the link I posted and that will create the page. Shambala108 ☎  23:50, June 21, 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you so much again Shambala108 I really, REALLY appreciate it, and sorry again for any trouble caused. Hope you had a good weekend! DoctorQuoi ☎  04:38, June 22, 2020 (UTC)DoctorQuoi

RE: Galleries
Not a big deal; it takes time to get around to learning all our policies. If you haven't clicked already, the reasons behind it are explained on the policy page I linked to, T:GAL. If you work with images a lot, you might benefit from reading through our other image use policies, linked up top.

Do be sure to remember in future. I took care of the one you linked to, so you don't have to worry about it! 05:22, June 24, 2020 (UTC)


 * My sincerest thanks SOTO! I've read the image policy a few times, however, it does take some time getting used to and I keep forgetting here and there haha. I will have the hang of it eventually. Thank you very much for fixing that as well! DoctorQuoi ☎  05:41, June 24, 2020 (UTC)DoctorQuoi

Re: Werewolves, Vulpana and Mags
Hi! I was not actually planning on listening to the Mags audios any time soon, I was just going through a recategorization of the entire Category:Werewolves after listening to Loups-Garoux. I was inspired by the eponymous werewolf species in that story, and decided to make a page for it, before discovering that there were plenty of other separate species of werewolf, so I created Category:Werewolf species.

You might have noticed my edits relating to PROSE: The Juror's Story too, which is also rather lycanthropic, but it's really a neat coincidence that I've listened/read two werewolf stories in a row. So yeah, go ahead and write the plot for An Alien Werewolf in London - I personally don't have the patience for writing such things, so I laud those that do! Happy editing :) Danochy ☎  05:43, June 25, 2020 (UTC)


 * Sure, feel feel to ping me when you're done and I'll take a look! Although it's not overly important to have every category for a page, policy only says "at least one", but it's always good practice to add as many relevant existing categories as you can think of, which of course requires the knowledge of which categories exist. Danochy ☎  06:00, June 25, 2020 (UTC)

Who Killed Kennedy
Hi, I added the stub because the article failed to mention anything about the 1960 election or his two children and also gave a rather outdated summary of the assassination itself considering my renovations to Kennedy assassination. Anyway, I mainly added the stub in preperation for a large update to the page which I will be adding in the very near future, quite possibly tonight, so please bear with on that front. Thanks, --Borisashton ☎  21:27, July 31, 2020 (UTC)
 * I've finished my edits to that page, although I am planning to bring pages on other Kennedys up to standard as well. --Borisashton ☎  22:31, July 31, 2020 (UTC)
 * Borisashton no problem I'll have a look when I have a chance this weekend although I'm sure you've covered everything! Let me know of anything I can do to help regarding the other pages as well! Also, Dodo's may be a little messy but I imagine you'll take care of that! :D DoctorQuoi ☎  22:40, July 31, 2020 (UTC)DoctorQuoi

Jackie Kennedy
Hi there, the template is meant to prevent other editors from touching certain pages while they are in the middle of large, multi-edit revisions. Your edit at Jackie Kennedy didn't cause too much harm as I wasn't at my computer at the time but please bear this in mind for the future. Thanks, --Borisashton ☎  18:20, August 10, 2020 (UTC)
 * Aiyee, my apologies Boriashton I am so sorry, I just noticed that after I had made some edits on the Who Killed Kennedy page you had done some editing on the related pages so I thought I would try and help out after our conversation from a few weeks ago. My sincerest apologies, won't happen again! DoctorQuoi  ☎  18:27, August 10, 2020 (UTC)DoctorQuoi
 * No need to apologise, your help is very much appreciated. I just wanted to make sure you were aware so it didn't happen with someone else in the future. I'm mostly done on my Kennedy editing now so you can have free rein on what to edit. --Borisashton ☎  19:07, August 10, 2020 (UTC)

The Celestial Toyroom
Hi again, I saw your message at Talk:The Celestial Toyroom (documentary) and thought I could help out. As you can see at Special:Log, the file you are enquiring about was deleted by User:Shambala108 because no licence was given. You are best off asking her about it if you have any problems. Najawin and Saxon probably missed the message because they would have no reason to think a message there would be directed at them because they had not edited the page. If you have questions for specific users then going to their talk page is the best course of action. Thanks for your recent contributions and happy editing, --Borisashton ☎  18:19, August 31, 2020 (UTC)
 * Actually, I just logged on and saw it. I'm down to add the license whenever now. I will note for future reference that the current guide for adding licenses is outdated, so new users will have a hard time learning it. Najawin ☎  18:30, August 31, 2020 (UTC)
 * Borisashton thank you very much for the explanation!! Will do! DoctorQuoi ☎  19:33, August 31, 2020 (UTC)DoctorQuoi


 * Najawin Ok I'm ready to upload now, I'll write a message on the Talk Page for the story when I have uploaded it and tag you in it within the next 10 minutes, please keep an eye out! DoctorQuoi  ☎  19:33, August 31, 2020 (UTC)DoctorQuoi

Profile picture
Hiya! Just want to say that I particularly like your profile picture of that LEGO Drashig! Epsilon the Eternal ☎  18:34, August 31, 2020 (UTC)
 * Epsilon the Eternal: wow thanks Epsilon the Eternal!! I'm so glad you like it! I used to do a lot of LEGO Doctor Who, *you can find a bunch on my flickr page if you search "Jared If only I remembered..." and I have an instagram page, just search up "ummmmwho" or "Jared If only I remembered..."
 * If you're REALLY interested I have also posted instructions on how to build the LEGO Drashig. Just go to youtube and type up "LEGO Doctor Who Drashig".
 * There's also instructions for the 13th Doctor's TARDIS on the same channel (my youtube channel).
 * Haha sorry for the self promotion, if it helps I don't build with LEGO anymore but at least it's given me more time to edit the wiki!! *NOTE: because of off-site links and a warning from Scrooge, I have removed the links and instead given you directions on how to find the items. DoctorQuoi ☎  19:42, August 31, 2020 (UTC)DoctorQuoi
 * Neat as those videos are (and I concur with Epsilon regarding that Drashig), posting direct links to off-site videos is against the rules of this Wiki to prevent rampant copyright infringement. You'd be better off giving Epsilon the titles of the videos and deleting the link.


 * (Also, the usual way to reply to someone's talk page message on this Wiki is to leave a message on their talk page, not post the reply under their message. Takes a bit of getting used to, I know, but them's the rules.) --Scrooge MacDuck ☎  19:48, August 31, 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks Scrooge MacDuck, doing that now. Also did you get my message about I Am The Master audio story? Cheers! DoctorQuoi ☎  19:53, August 31, 2020 (UTC)DoctorQuoi
 * Ah, sorry. Yeah, I did. Silly of me to have left it up there so long. Thanks! And I do still intend to add the summary when I find the time, yeah. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎  20:04, August 31, 2020 (UTC)

Licensing
Actually, there's a way to do it while you're uploading - I just have to do it this way because I wasn't the one to upload it (this guide is horribly outdated, but that's the one that currently exists on the wiki). And screenshot is just one possible license to choose from, there's a bunch more you can find at Tardis:Copyright_tags. Najawin ☎  20:20, August 31, 2020 (UTC)
 * Hmm. That's just bizarre. I'm sorry, no clue what's going on with the distinction between merchandise and screenshots. Najawin ☎  20:30, August 31, 2020 (UTC)

Time/Energy Uncertainty
Not having listened to the audio, I don't know how appropriate "In the context of the story, it is only used as an analogy to explain why the TARDIS over-shoots its destinations a lot. It should not be taken literally" is, it may be that explaining the differences is more helpful, because you told me what the Uncertainty Principle is IRL, but not in the story, so I don't really know how they differ. See the Notes section at Pre-narrative Briefings (short story) for a recent example of how I handled some really egregious physics errors - the goal is to help a layman understand, not other scientists.

In addition, I note that the time-energy uncertainty relation, if you really insist on talking about it, is basically, outside of actual interpretations, quite possibly the most contentious issue in all of non-relativistic QM? (Some relevant resources are here here, and here.) I don't know how relevant it is to the analogy being made, and if it's not, the angle-action principle is similarly controversial, and there are all sorts of uncertainty principles that aren't controversial at all. So it would come down to personal preference. I edited some slight language changes and another reference under the assumption that you're keeping the time-energy relation, but, again, I don't know what the actual analogy is, and that changes how I would edit the section. Najawin ☎  05:16, September 15, 2020 (UTC)
 * Townsend is an absolutely wonderful book. I would suggest that if they don't bring up the Uncertainty Principle, it's not worth mentioning in the notes, as it might confuse readers. But this is tricky enough that you might ask an admin. Najawin ☎  06:15, September 15, 2020 (UTC)

Curse of Fatal Death
While this wiki has no canon and concerns itself with validity, Thread:270437 is what you're going to want to look at. (See what you miss from not going to the forums? :>) Najawin ☎  18:46, October 2, 2020 (UTC)
 * Never enough time in the day. Najawin ☎  18:53, October 2, 2020 (UTC)
 * So, I saw you message but got caught up in real life stuff and forgot to answer you. Sorry about that. Luckily Najawin was quick and provided you the answer for you. At any rate, thanks for reaching out, specially with the Forums being merged with Discussions, it's only fair that we'll end up a bit lost with thread closings, so fear not on asking whenever you see "big" changes like this. We're all still getting adjusted to the changes. OncomingStorm12th ☎  18:59, October 4, 2020 (UTC)

Re:The Crimes of Thomas Brewster
Hey, thanks for reaching out! So, lets break the answer down in several points, so I can address them better:
 * Literatos II is indeed an incorrect spelling; glad you picked that up. In fact, luckily, we have scripts for the Main Range available, so I could check it quickly, and we need yet another change, the spelling is actually Literalis Two.
 * Now, how to deal with this mistake? Again you're correct: you're not supposed to either delete them (which you literally can't) nor move them (which you "can", but shouldn't). Whenever you see a situation like this, you can use either or  (check the Template pages I linked to see when use which). If it's something super, super important that needs changing (say, you created a page with a misspelling or something like that) you can drop a message and we'll get to that faster than usual.
 * Cleanup/finetuning your edits: sure! We're a community after all (even if sometimes it may look like we're that much apart these last few months/years, honestly). So not only I'll make sure to go through your edits (though it's been a loooong time since I've heard the story myself) but I actively thank you for asking this, and encourage you to do so in the future, be it with me or other users. Honestly, we're overdue (re)creating an atmosphere of community here on Tardis Wiki, and stuff like this is exactly what we need. :)
 * Following on my previous point, I might not catch all the continuity points as well, but you can just add the ones you can't pinpoint to a specific story to the "References" section, and if I (or someone else in the future) can, I/they can move it to the "Continuity" part of the page.
 * Finally (and sorry that I rambled and made a giant post) don't worry about sounding rude; you absolutely did not; quite the opposite in fact. (Oh, and thank you for taking time to write plot summaries for audios; it's a part of the wiki that's severely underdeveloped). OncomingStorm12th ☎  20:13, October 24, 2020 (UTC)


 * Obviously not OS12, but re: the last point, references to other characters on this wiki are a bit nuanced and, honestly, inconsistent. See Thread:279761 for someone else discussing their frustration with this issue. I'm not sure how in this particular case it should be handled, but merely referencing events is not sufficient to mean the page shouldn't be created. Najawin ☎  19:34, October 25, 2020 (UTC)
 * Don't worry about taking your time to write the summaries (or the order in which you do), we're all here voluntarily after all. Now, regarding Time Lord (Invaders from Mars), I'll ask you to remind me a bit on the connection to the Monk, because I've heard/seen both stories years ago ;p. From a quick look at the page, the Doctor only gave a somewhat vague description on that Time Lord's personality, that, truly points towards the Monk, but isn't quite that specific.
 * Further, Cnut isn't referred by name at any point in The Time Meddler. And while it looks like Time Lord (Invaders from Mars) is intended as a reference to the Monk, I don't know (at least form the information we have on that page) that there's in-universe proof that they're one and the same. Perhaps we could add a paragraph to the bts section pointing out the similarities? OncomingStorm12th ☎  21:11, October 25, 2020 (UTC)

Re:Stars Fell on Stockbridge
Hi, so sorry about the late reply. You managed to catch me while I was taking a break to focus on my exams.

First off, I'd just like to commend you for all the great work you've been doing in those audio pages. You've really been doing a great job and have even inspired me to consider having a crack at a plot summary some time over this summer (southern hemisphere). It makes the pages look so good!

On to the topic at hand, thanks for letting me know! I've just removed the variable from the infobox over at Stars Fell on Stockbridge.

All the best, Danochy ☎  04:35, November 20, 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks! All the best with your Master's as well! If you don't mind my curiosity, what is it you're studying? I, myself, will be embarking on my postgraduate journey next year with an Honour's degree in (structural) biology.


 * As for scanned images, you can absolutely use them. Just upload them the usual way and choose the license "Interior comic art", or . Danochy  ☎  10:11, November 22, 2020 (UTC)