Talk:The Big Bang (TV story)

Episode Length
A press release has confirmed that the episode will last 55 minutes from 6:05-7:00

For now and unmessyness
Until it confirmed and the episode airs it is hard to determine which aliens who are appearing will be a villain/enemy so I have placed all confirmed appearances of previous aliens in the story notes section until it is actually confirmed who will be the villains as it helps to stop people messing with the infobox. -- Michael Downey 11:54, May 22, 2010 (UTC).

Omega and Dark Tower/Death Zone
See Talk:The Pandorica Opens. Whatever is done with these rumors, let's make sure that the two pages are kept in sync. --Falcotron 07:26, May 23, 2010 (UTC)

Monster Names
I've fixed up all the aliens confirmed to appear on the "enemy" bit on the infobox. If you have any other names of monsters please put them down along with a reference. ~ BillyWilliam3rd

Rory
Why did someone remove Rory from the cast? We know he's appearing. Weren't there even pictures of him in it? He may have died, but still: wibbly wobbly timey wimey. --Golden Monkey 20:35, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

I bet there is evidence that Rory is gonna appear (not that I took him off cast) but wherez the evidence? ~ BillyWilliam3rd


 * I'm not sure who removed him here. I added him, with a reference, at the same time I removed him from episode 12 (because all of the spoilery evidence given for him was from episode 13, not 12).


 * However, thinking about it some more, we don't actually have confirmation (at least in any of the spoilers I've seen) that Rory appears in episode 13. There are pictures confirming that Arthur Darvill appears, in Roman armor (one source specifically says Roman auxiliary armor), but that doesn't prove that he's Rory. Sure, it seems the most likely explanation, but think of Princess Astra and Romana II, Maxil and the 6th Doctor, Gwynneth and Gwen, Adeola and Martha, the Soothsayer and Amy Pond, and probably more that I've forgotten. In many cases, there's a connection of some kind between the characters (Romana deliberately patterning herself on Astra, Martha having a Patty-Duke-like identical cousin, Gwen having a not-genetic-relative-but-some-weird-rifty-thing, etc.), but in some there's not even that.


 * Still, it seems reasonable to at the very least least add Arthur Darvill to the Cast playing "TBA (possibly Rory Williams)", with the same reference that he had before, and then put some discussion of whether he's Rory or not in the Rumours section.


 * Alternatively, I'd list him as Rory, and then add a Rumour that he might be some character other than Rory. After all, it's always possible that even the 11th Doctor won't be there and Matt Smith will just happen to be playing some random character. How far do we have to go with our skepticism? --Falcotron 10:44, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

Shots of filming
Without trying to throw out spoilers, a couple of leaked filming shots snuck out today on a few websites show Patrick Stewart's presence clearly on the set for this episode...what's the policy of posting in regards to such matters? Are we a) not allowed to mention, b) allowed to mention and source c) post the images proper and mention. Ostensibly, I'll do whatever the guidance is....unless someone sees the shots before me and gets there first! Roger Dangerfield 11:23, May 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * There's already a big giant spoiler warning at the top of the page, and the article is already full of spoilers and even random rumours. So, don't worry about adding it. And definitely source it.


 * The only question is how reliable the source is, and how clear it is that Patrick Stewart is in the episode vs., say, just visiting the set. Make the best guess you can on those questions and decide whether to put it in Rumours or to add him to the Cast. --Falcotron 11:55, May 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * One more question: Does he look like he's dressed as the Meddling Monk? (Remember that Sun rumor that Stewart would play the Monk in the finale of David Tennant's season 5, which came out days before it was announced that no such season would exist?) --Falcotron 22:39, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

Theory
I think that Amy, as a child, may have to "think away" the other aliens etc, and the Doctor free, as the summary says "The only hope for all of reality is a little girl....", however, this is only my theory. :P Because the alliance used Amy's memories of Romans and Pandora's Box to create the scenario, therefore, if Amy thinks of a different ending... It'll happen. :P ~Random non-member, came to add my thoughts. ^^

dr gachet
is this an error becuse dr gachet is vincent van goths docter isent he so unless the doc goes back to ask about the painting that vincent did this colud be a error (now i am starting to make myself belvie this happens)

?Drwhoworld 22:14, June 3, 2010 (UTC)?

No, Dr Gachet and Madam Vernet must have something to do with the VG picture being sent to the doctor? 86.26.137.154 08:33, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

?Drwhoworld 09:19, June 4, 2010 (UTC)?

Flesh & Stone
Remember the Doctor going to Amy in Flesh and Stone and he looked diffrent? New clothes, difrent attidue, etc? Possibly going back to the events of this story and giving Amy words of advice for this episode.

Jfraser25 13:00, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

I am really annoyed that they have no Weeping Angels in it,because they are my faverioute enemy!!!:( OGREPOP 09:36, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

Something no one noticed but was shown in The Lodger: head-butt! Remember, he bumped heads and communicated a lot of info real fast? Just looked at the scene in Flesh & Stone and the Doctor gently bumps his head several times to Amy's and tells her to remember. I think he passed her a lot of information to help him be remembered by Amy. Lmb02 05:05, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

Picture
The picture in this article is not to do with The Big Bang. It is of The Pandorica Opens. I just saw the same scene image only a side view on the website. Kranitoko (talk) 17:22, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

Let's keep rumours clean.
It's flood with random fan speculation that isn't based on anything, or very little. Or far-ferfetched. The only heavily rumoured ultimate enemy of the finale are the Doctor and Omega, and that is based on quite a bit of released into and spoilers, so it has a right to be an official rumour on the page. The description of what is inside the Pandorica fits the description of the Doctor... and he is shown being dragged to the Pandorica in a released picture most have seen by now. There has been a opular rumour that Omega in returning, too, and some reliable spoiler people on Gallifrey Base (these are people who, in all honestly, know quite a way ahead, some see unreleased pictures earlier on, ect..) may not know if the rumour is true or not, but they mostly say it is possibly -- nothing even they know suggests it can't be.

But ridiculous things such as the Master, who left in, what, January and the very last finale... already? Besides, that's one of those silly random fan-boy-fueled rumours that aren't based on anything, be it set reports, spoilers, or episode information. Let's keep it at individuals who are heavily rumoured, and not just fanboy wants. Delton Menace 22:44, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

Yes this is similair to the enemy section. I have repeatedly kept it as "TBC" as even though there are many aliens/monsters mentioned and confirmed to appear, nothing is confirmed whether they are to play an enemy part so until Saturday or proper confirmation this should be kept clean. -- Michael Downey 23:50, June 13, 2010 (UTC).

Yeah, it should be noted that some of the aliens featured in the finale don't have large roles (there are too many for them all to have notable roles!), just that there is appearances. All together, gathering at Stonehenge. An interview I found linked to on a Gallifrey Base friend even notes that the Daleks and Cybermen aren't even big players in the finale, or something like that. They play a part, obviously, but they're not the shine of the episodes. Their role is just bigger than that of the other's. Good you kept the enemies part clean, because... info is really implying it's not everyone vs. the Doctor. Well, sort of. But it is safe to say something else is going on, and none of us have any idea what it really is. Hence, I'm expecting one, true enemy, who is currently not confirmed. Delton Menace 01:09, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

Moffat's "cheeky" Regeneration solution?
Moffat was quoted as saying he was going to solve the problem of the Doctor running out of regenerations in a "cheeky" way. And from what I understood, it would be in this series. And with this being the last part of this series, I would guess it gets solved in this episode. And likely by (we presume it's) Amelia thinking a change of some sort (as it seems Amy's childhood and thoughts are the building blocks of the reality... this better not end like "St. Elsewhere" did, where the whole show was an autistic kid's dream)..

Just wondering if anyone has heard any more on what the "cheeky" solution is. I'm hoping it's not by saying one or more regenerations never happened. Still, it's an impending problem for the show, and better to solve it now than wait until they've run out of regenerations and require an even greater suspension of disbelief than fans would allow.

Posting here rather than the actual page, assuming if it's appropriate someone will either migrate this to the actual page or suggest I do so. Lmb02 04:27, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

Stone Dalek
How is that any "less absurd"? A Dalek with a stone casing, though really unusual, makes much more sense than a Dalek turned into stone, unless you refer to the creature inside instead of the machine. Where does that rumour come from anyway and why is it not in the "rumours" section? 83.181.66.133 10:04, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * A new Dalek will be seen, a Stone Dalek. Or, less absurdly, a Dalek will be turned to stone.

Another Tardis?
I think that there is another contraption similar to the one we have seen in the episode of "The Lodger" in Amy's house. As can be seen in both "The Pandorica Opens" and "The Eleventh Hour", Amy's house is a two stores home, yet, in the first episode of this series, around the 13 minutes mark ("there's something I'm missing" - he keeps repeating that alot lately, hasn't he?), and especially around the 18 minutes mark (in which there's a clear lower angle shot) there's a staircase from the second floor to an unknown, rather dark, place. WhtRvn 10:26, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

Addition to casting
I can't edit this page because I'm an IP, but can someone add this to the cast? Joanna Page is listed as playing a Time Lady in both The Pandorica Opens and The Big Bang. --94.171.77.82 11:43, June 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * I have incorporated it into the article. Although she's denied appearing in the episode, it wouldn't be the first time she's misrepresented to the press to cover up storylines. I've written it in a way where it is open to interpretation whether she's in it or not, from the available sources. Blightsoot 12:11, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

Unknown Entity

 * As we all know, the TARDIS goes boom at the end of 'The Pandorica Opens'/start of 'The Big Bang' when controlled by an entity so far unknown while River Song is desperately attempting to prevent this incident. All we know about this entity is that it appears so far as red lighting and a metallic voice claiming that silence will fall coming from a time-field shaped crack displayed on the TARDIS' screen. The entity seems to enter and gain control of the TARDIS when nobody is watching in 'The Pandorica Opens' when the crack appears, flashes and starts to open on the screen, however, there is evidence to suggest the TARDIS has been out of the Doctor's control for a much longer time, this whole se[[File:BBC_-_BBC_One_Programmes_-_Doctor_Who,_Series_5,_The_Eleventh_Hour_-_Google_Chrome.jpg|thumb|The doctor doesn't notice the Crack on the oscilloscope at 1:00.33 in S5E1 (The Eleventh Hour)]]ries in fact. If the entity has been inside the TARDIS since the doctor took Amy for her first trip, the Entity either entered the TARDIS shortly after the machine restabilised, is an evil streak in TARDIS' personality (like Mr. Smith from SJA) or has been dorment inside the TARDIS for a long time. SinkinSoon 13:02, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * A trace left behind from when the Master cannibilised the TARDIS, turning her into a Paradox machine?


 * I may be wrong, but wasn't The Doctor's TARDIS a stolen write-off? If it was, could it have been written off by the Time Lords because they knew of an evil force inside it?
 * Could be possible that Omega escaped through the crack with Prisoner Zero and had been manipulating the Tardis the whole time setting this trap for the Doctor by manipulating events in the locations they have travelled to by placing the Cracks through time?
 * Could be possible that Omega escaped through the crack with Prisoner Zero and had been manipulating the Tardis the whole time setting this trap for the Doctor by manipulating events in the locations they have travelled to by placing the Cracks through time?