Forum:Temporary forums/Meta-Crisis Doctor

Opening post
The exact name of the Tenth Doctor's hand's new body person thing was never clear to be begin with, but over the years, it seems that his name is near unaminously accepted as the "Meta-Crisis Doctor", but his page hasn't been renamed to that name. In part, I feel this is because of the... talk page "dicussions" about it which often lead into vast arguments over continuity and was eventually resolved by @Shambala108 who took a neutral stance and named the character's page Tenth Doctor (Journey's End). However, I feel this could be improved.

So I suggest we definitively rename the article to Meta-Crisis Doctor (not, mind you, Meta-Crisis Tenth Doctor which is rarely used and is much clunkier), rename Category:Meta-Crisis Tenth Doctor images and Category:Meta-Crisis Tenth Doctor stories to Category:Meta-Crisis Doctor images and Category:Meta-Crisis Doctor stories, and rename Theory:Timeline - Meta-Crisis Tenth Doctor to Theory:Timeline - Meta-Crisis Doctor.

I want to approach this rename from a two pronged angle, with two new good reasons.


 * 1) The name "Meta-Crisis Doctor" has been used in valid sources, those being PROSE: Citation Needed. (The version of the ebook I'm working with renders it as "metacrisis Doctor" but I think that is a transcribing issue.)
 * 2) The "Fugitive Doctor" precedent allows us to name articles a certain name — without a conjecture tag — if both the official marketing and fans use the name. This was a codification of the standard indirectly set up by T:ROMANA and has since been applied to Unbound Doctor and 9.5th Doctor.
 * To support the second prong, I will support evidence of its use: here, here, here, here, here, and, well, I could go on and on. As for fans... just Google "Meta-Crisis Doctor", it pulls over 23,000,000 results. If that's not widely used, I don't know what is. If that's not enough for you... see on Twitter, if you search "Meta-Crisis Doctor", lots results from both official sources and fans. 15:34, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Discussion
I support this proposal to move the article to Meta-Crisis Doctor. I was honestly shocked this wasn't already the case when I discovered what we were calling his article, because it's such a strange title. Pluto2 ☎ 15:51, 18 March 2023 (UTC)


 * I Support this 100% Time God Eon ☎  16:07, 18 March 2023 (UTC)


 * I'm baffled as to why it isn't already "Meta-Crisis Doctor". Full agreement from me. Fractal Doctor ☎  16:13, 18 March 2023 (UTC)


 * I support this. In cases like this, we should use the name that users would instinctively search for. Meta-Crisis Doctor is just the best term for the story. OS25🤙☎️ 16:52, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

I support the move to Meta-Crisis Doctor. MrThermomanPreacher ☎  17:41, 18 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Can you give the specifics of how Citation Needed refers to him like so? I also note that I'm pretty sure the Fugitive Doctor standard doesn't apply, because he has a name, it's just one fans hate. Najawin ☎  19:21, 18 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Complete support. The only detractor from the name I would be able to think of would be if another Meta-Crisis Doctor along the line (even though I think those chances are slim). Danniesen ☎  21:47, 18 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Actually Najawin, the issue is he has three names. Corin, Josh Smith, and the Doctor in contradicting stories. Finding a name appropriate from his origin story is simply the best resolution when keeping T:NPOV in mind. OS25🤙☎️ 22:52, 18 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Absolutely support. If there's ever another metacritical incarnation, we can deal with it then. No point making out current coverage worse for stuff that doesn't exist yet, and may never. Additionally, any in-universe name this incarnation takes, such as "Corin" or "John Smith", is not what a reader will search for, and we can't choose one over the other per T:NPOV. Cousin Ettolrhc ☎  23:08, 18 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Oh, huh, first I heard about Josh Smith. Yeah, that's also an issue. But still, Fugitive doesn't seem to be an applicable standard. (I just want to make sure the context from Citation Needed is appropriate. If it is, I'm all aboard.) Najawin ☎  00:08, 19 March 2023 (UTC)