Talk:Antonio Amaral

This page is supposed to be a real-life page for the individual Antonio Amaral - who was a God tier backer of Omega and had his likeness used in the first issue. Somewhere along the line this page has been confused and is now acting as both a real-life page for Amaral and an in-universe page for his unknown Minyan character. This needs to be split, but does each unnamed Minyan from that crowd scene really need their own page anyway? RadMatter ☎  14:39, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Hmmm. Several things I'd like to address.


 * 1) Well, the page was originally an out-of-universe page, but I disagree that's its supposed to be.
 * 2) Secondly, I wasn't confused when I edited it. I was specifically turning it into an in-universe page, based upon a good amount of intent from Antonio Amaral himself, who said in this Tweet that his in-universe "counterpart" will be returning. So while the character in Omega wasn't named, think of this as future proofing.
 * 3) And I disagree that's it's both an in-universe and out-of-universe page - it's an in-universe page, with a behind the scenes section which contains quotes from Amaral himself, with extra details not present in the page prior to my edits. Ergo, as I don't believe this is two pages in one, I also do not think that this page should be split.
 * 📯 📂 14:49, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
 * This page is definitely supposed to be out-of-universe (hence the category of "People thanked by Cutaway Comics").
 * From your conversation with Antonio on Twitter it appears that you haven't actually read Omega, if this is the case you shouldn't have been the one editing in-universe pages about the story anyway. However, it is not my place to call you out on that. But what I will say is that Antonio has no authority when it comes to this story - his likeness was used, yes, but that doesn't suddenly mean that he can state that it was an in-universe version of himself (I have read the actual Kickstarter and the God tier section states nothing more than that individuals will have their likeness used). RadMatter ☎  14:55, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
 * For the category, well, a category doesn't shape the purpose of a page. These things are kinda fluid, especially on this Wiki.
 * To be fair, there is no rule about editing page about a story that you haven't read. Additionally, I did put in some research into the crowd scene, to make sure it's factually correct.
 * Also, seeing that it is Antonio's likeness being used, I think he has a certain amount of room to speak here - if he has an intent with his in-universe self, which he obviously has, then I think he can determine if this is meant to be his in-universe self.
 * And besides, the actual content of the page is completely compliant with T:VALID - I've only used info from the Omega story in the in-universe body of the article, and with a conjecturally placed name. All well within the bounds of Wiki policy. 📯 📂 15:05, 11 February 2021 (UTC)


 * I created this page as out-of-universe, similar to Vitas Varnas and Cornelius Blanc (although the first has many more production credits). You should not have changed this into an in-universe page without discussion.


 * Antonio has absolutely zero say in this story. His likeness was used and that is where it ends. If Cornelius Blanc suddenly stated that his character in the crowd scene was in fact the Boehemoth from his short stories, does that suddenly mean that it is the case? Certainly not. RadMatter ☎  15:10, 11 February 2021 (UTC)


 * In such a case, it is not mandatory to discuss an edit of a page beforehand, especially one as trivial as this one. Only with major changes must the edit be discussed first, and I really do not think that this is a big edit.


 * Secondly, if I am to accept that Antonio has "no say", nevertheless, the structure of this page can still stand. This Wiki has pages for tiny, minor background characters from TV stories, based upon the fact that an actor was credited in the end credits. While the medium of a comic is different, obviously, I still believe this page has precedent to stand as is. 📯 📂 15:17, 11 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Hardly "trivial".


 * This page is for the real world individual who received thanks by Cutaway Comics and had his likeness used in Omega.


 * If it is accepted that each Minyan is worthy of their own page, fine by me. But the information on this page about the in-universe Minyan character with Antonio's likeness should be moved to a separate page. And, unless stated in the story or by someone who worked on the story that they are supposed to be the same character, his character from Lytton should be found on yet another page. RadMatter ☎  15:23, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi! Admin here.


 * I disagree that the Lytton version should be covered separately. When two characters have identical physical appearances and we know that they are intended to be the same character, it'd be more speculative than not to split them.


 * However, User:Epsilon the Eternal is completely incorrect about the alleged "fluidity" of categories. Category-wise, either something is a RW page, or it's an in-universe page: you can't mix and match. The correct situation here is to create separate pages for the real Amaral and for his in-universe counterpart. Page naming is an issue here — normally in-universe would take precedence, but it's a conjectural name in this case, so — I'd argue for Antoni Amaral (Omega) for the character, and the undabbed form for the real person. Scrooge MacDuck ☎  15:42, 11 February 2021 (UTC)