Talk:The Next Doctor/Archive 1

Reference?
Is there a reference for this? Some we know as fact, some not, but referencing is required.--Hawki 10:46, 23 September 2008 (UTC)


 * yes - it's here Jack's the man - 10:55, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

''added line "reference?" to fix page''--Nyktimos 05:06, December 4, 2009 (UTC)

No
This doesn't warrant for an episode or something called The Next Doctor.
 * Why not? Jack's the man - 12:30, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not quite sure what the unsigned comment is supposed to be about. As Jack indicates, the episode title has been confirmed, so it's legitimate - as legitimate as having an article on The Last Sontaran. 23skidoo 18:49, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Rumors
Obviously with a title like The Next Doctor the rumor mill is going to be churning fast and furious regarding whether Tennant is leaving, or whatever. Remember that Gardner has said he's in all the 2009 specials so it's anyone's guess what the title means. This article will need to be checked to watch out for speculation (I just removed Morissey from the companion column of the infobox, for example). Until RTD makes an announcement, or reputable media (not tabloid) reports some verifiable facts, or - of course - the episode airs any rumors should be confined to the rumors section. 23skidoo 18:49, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Well that took about 10 seconds. An anonymous IP just added "The Doctor" next to Morissey's name. Sigh. 23skidoo 18:54, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
 * So? If Morrisey's character is oficially called 'The Doctor', then I see no problem with crediting him in this way. Besides, he was credited as 'The Doctor' in the Radio Times. Sir Hat-a-lot 22:28, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Morrissey is The Doctor.Well, one of them. That's why I changed it. Look on the official BBC Doctor Who website. My account isn't signed in and I forgot the password, that's why it isn't showing up.
 * I saw the BBC article. Fair enough, however the article only says Morrisey plays a man who calls himself The Doctor. That means something entirely different. I just bought DWM 400 which has Tennant talking about filming the specials in January, so unless they're pulling a River Song on us, we have no idea whether this is The Doctor. 23skidoo 05:04, 2 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Unless a source can be cited, should we allow anyone to add so called rumors willy nilly? Most of the 'rumors' on this page are just personal supposition in my view, and shouldn't be allowed on here.Smokin Fish 07:25, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Well I'm not entirely happy with such a section myself. I did start it just to have some place for the amount of unsourced information going into the articles, but I would be quite happy if it wasn't there at all. Jack's the man - 10:43, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Why is it called this?
I don't understand that if the Doctor doesn't regenerate and David Morrissey is not the doctor, then how come this episode s called: "The Next Doctor"? -The Doctor Forever 06:23, 24 September 2008 (UTC)


 * If you're curious check out Wikipedia - The Next Doctor contains some additional information. --Tangerineduel 07:53, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Companion in infobox
I removed the character name from this infobox. None of the confirmed reports have identified any character in the special as a companion yet. For all we know the Morrissey Doctor could end up being a companion. Obviously if a reputable source (the BBC, RTD, DWM, etc) have indicated otherwise, then that's different (probably good to include a link if a name is added to the infobox, however). 23skidoo 20:09, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
 * There are clues in the CiN preview that suggest Rosita may be the companion of the Morrissey Doctor, though as always there's no way to know what's going on until the show airs. The info I removed from the infobox earlier had Rosita listed as the Tenth Doctor's companion. That's still speculation and listing her as a companion for anyone is still premature; ditto listing Morrissey's character as such. 23skidoo 02:28, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Synopsis
A user keeps inserting text into the Synopsis, should this be done or should we wait until we learn abit more than Mrs Rositia is working for the Cybermen and the CyberKing??? Bigshowbower 04:01, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Well there is an official press release with the Synopsis in it, and I think it's coming from there. I would agree thet it shouldn't be copied directly, but we can still use that as a basis. Jack's the man - 11:34, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

What about if the user inserts the text but re writes it into a better version and provides a link to the offical press release instead of just a heading before the text saying From the BBC Office Bigshowbower 04:32, 4 December 2008 (UTC)


 * That really long, capitalised "Doctor" 'scream' in the synopsis looks ridiculous - can we change it please? CommodoreFisher 23:22, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

RTD "undoing all he has done" statement
I removed a line from the rumors section saying that RTD has been quoted as saying he wants to undo all that he has done re:TimeLords. That sounds pretty dubious, and without a source cited, it actually comes close to BLP-violating territory. This isn't Wikipedia, but we still need to follow some of their guidelines, and a statement like that is one that runs afoul of BLP. If RTD has actually said somewhere that he wants to "undo all that he has done" which doesn't sound very likely, then we need to cite where and when. Even in the context of a rumor, I had to take it out. Now, it's possible that a separate rumor suggesting RTD wants to undo what he's done, could be added. However we'd still need to identify exactly where he was quoted. Also, RTD is known for making off-the-cuff remarks that mean nothing, so an offhand statement in an interview, at a convention, or in his book does not necessarily mean that's his intent. 23skidoo 00:53, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Meddling Monk Possibility?
One of my favorite characters was the Meddling Monk. Anyone think that this could be him? - Dallas(Long Time Fan)

Vandalism
I removed what I assumed is vandalism. But I haven't seen this episode yet ('cause I'm American), so I could be wrong. --Golden Monkey 18:46, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
 * What did you remove? I'm British and have seen the episode, so I can tell you if your right or not (if you haven't seen the episode by now since I'm replying a few weeks after you made the above post)--Bill Odie 19:21, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

The everlasting debate
So, is Jackson Lake a companion? He was in the opening credits, was featured as much as companions like Astrid Peth, isn't the Doctor, and has even been in the TARDIS. I'd say he's as much of a companion as Astrid is. Flicky1991 19:35, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Fan debate is irrelevant if he's officially considered one. --Golden Monkey 19:57, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Which certainly applies to Astrid, Sara Kingdom, Grace Holloway, etc. But in this case, is he actually considered one? Consider that the previous Christmas special one-offs, Donna and Astrid, were both invited to become travelling companions of the Doctor. Jackson was not, and the fact he had a son made him ineligible to become one. The girl, of course, was Jackson's companion, so she doesn't count. As with the others, I'd go with whatever the official party line is. The only one-off who is not considered officially a companion, but who I consider to be one, is Sally Sparrow. 23skidoo 00:25, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Just for reference
Does anyone know how to spell Miss Hartigan's first name? Bad Wolf Bad Wolf 20:26, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it's Merci. (probably)
 * According to Doctor Who Magazine it's spelt 'Mercy'. --Bill Odie 19:24, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Continuity
How you can you tell what episode the Doctor's are from, I havent seen this episode yet but I have seen the pictures that include the Doctors from the infostamp but the only one who can placed is Paul McGann so all the others are guessing should that be there or wait until we get some official confirment? Bigshowbower 05:07, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Trekkies can often identify individual episodes simply from single frames, so the same is true of Whovians, especially given, for example, the fact that the Hartnell clip comes from an episode only recently released to DVD. 23skidoo 00:22, 3 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Most of the identifying came from the Doctor Who forums (from the link that's cited) on which a poster on the forms has put up some screen grabs comparing the clips that appeared with others. --Tangerineduel 14:09, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Series 4 vs. Specials
A few places on this Wiki have referred to TND as being part of Series 4. Although it was produced during the same production block as Series 4, I've seen nothing to indicate that this is not considered one of the "gap year specials", much as Voyage of the Damned is considered part of Series 4 -- the series that followed it. Plus, dramatically, it is clearly placed after the events of Series 4, much as Runaway Bride could never have been considered part of Series 2. If there's a reputable source (i.e. DWM, etc) that indicates that Next Doctor is actually part of Series 4 -- in which case the question must be asked why the "Complete Series 4" box set was released weeks earlier -- think about it -- then of course I'm willing to stand corrected. In the meantime I've made the appropriate changes. 23skidoo 00:22, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Someone, possibly an anonymous IP, changed it back to Series 4 and I've changed it back to Specials and added an embedded note. Again, unless there has been indication that this is considered part of Series 4, it shouldn't be listed as such, regardless when it was filmed. Terror of the Zygons is not considered part of Season 12, even though it was filmed then and originally scheduled to air in 12. It aired in Season 13 and is considered part of that season. There's the precedent for The Next Doctor to be considered part of the 2009 Specials season (which needs a better name); if the gap year comes to be known as Season 4.5 I'll be fine with that, but for now there is no official designator. 23skidoo 20:41, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
 * This episode is not listed in the 2009 Special or in Series 4 which I think is annoying I am going to add this to the 2009 specials for further refernece and if anyone deletes this I will just readd it OK User:Catkind121 09:35, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * By the way since nothing has been done I think we should list it down as a 2009 special. --Catkind121 12:29, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

please remove the embedding note because it has been confirmed by bbc iplayer that it is part of series 4.--This post is unsigned

Oh for goodness sake, this episode is as much as part of series 4 as the other christmas episodes were with their preceding series. The Production number can't be used as evidence as all of the specials use the 4.x system. The fact that it was filmed at the end of the Series 4 shooting doesn't necessarily make it part of series 4. You can't just say it is part of Series 4 because iPlayer says Series 4. It only says that out of convenience and becasue they either couldnt be bothered of hadn't set the group up yet. It's going to be released with the other specials, it will always be grouped with the specials, so for the last time can we please move TND to the 2009 specials 'season' and Keep. It. There. Taccer 07 16:33, December 5, 2009 (UTC)

Please do not change it to specials because the BBC (who make Doctor Who) have confirmed that it is part of Series 4.So when it is edited please do not change it to specials because it is NOT a special. --This post is unsigned

I will not take take any notice of unsigned posts, and the BBC have not confirmed that it is part of Series 4. And if you are the same anomynous spammer who has left other posts on this page, login, or shut up. --Taccer 07 18:28, December 13, 2009 (UTC)
 * The Doctor Who Magazine Special Edition: The Specials includes The Next Doctor - if the Specials are said to de made up of four Specials - then it The Next Doctor, Planet of the Dead, Waters of Mars, The End of Time Mini-mitch 13:18, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Credits
In Radio Times, Tennant & Morrissey were identically credited in the cast list as The Doctor. Can anyone confirm whether this was followed in the on-screen credits? Cast lists on various websites are inconsistent, & I haven't managed to find a prose statement on this point.

Now received answer on Wikipedia talk page: wasn't followed.

Redirecting to Jackson Lake
A few weeks ago I put a 'redirecting note', in italics, to the page titled 'Jackson Lake' at the top of this article which read: For the character often refered to as 'The Next Doctor' see Jackson Lake, but it has been removed and I can't find any mention of who removed in the history section. I think it makes sence for this page to have a redirecting note to the page titled Jackson Lake because the character Jackson Lake was refered to as 'The Next Doctor' by the actual episode title itself so I think it is perfectly possible that someone looking for an article on the character Jackson Lake would type in 'The Next Doctor' and the redirecting note immediately lets them know what page they're looking for. So I'm just interested: what did the user who removed it have against it? If I don't recieve an answer I'll put the redirecting note back --Bill Odie 13:06, 6 February 2009 (UTC)


 * The edit's here. 16:26, 6 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks, but I'm still not quite clear as to why it was removed: What does 'cutting down enemies' mean? --Bill Odie 13:16, 8 February 2009 (UTC)


 * That summary actually refers to the previous edit see here. The edit on the left is what the article was, and the right is what additions/subtractions have been made. The edit where the Jackson Lake redirect note was removed was at edit 175036 it was one of two edits both made at 07:02, 2 February 2009, the first removed the some of the enemies listed in the infobox, the second removed the Jackson Lake redirect note. --Tangerineduel 14:03, 8 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh right, thanks --Bill Odie 21:49, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Second Doctor Clip
The Second Doctor clip in the infostamp scene is from the Ice Warriors Part 1, (About 55 Seconds in) Greg-T-Hedgehog 19:09, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Borg Queen?
Should it be mentioned that Miss Hartigan/Cyberking bears a resemblance to Star Trek's Borg Queen? &mdash; Chruck 03:06, December 4, 2009 (UTC)
 * The Borg Queen? No. --Nyktimos 05:00, December 4, 2009 (UTC)

Crack?
Where's the crack in this then? --Drsalvador 16:35, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * There is no crack. It was just wiped from time, same as the events from Journey's End. ☆ The  Solar  Dragon  ( Talk ) ☆ 16:40, May 8, 2010 (UTC)