User talk:Tangerineduel


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Cleanup Template
Ok. It is done. At the moment, it says: It needs to be cleaned up in these sections: as I couldn't think of anything better but if you can think of something better, feel free to change it. 16:45, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, whoops. Sorry, I thought it was you who left my the message. I don't know why. Anyway, it needs rewording I know but can you think of anything better? 16:52, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * The reason I was saying about it was that, for example, on River Song's page, it was in need of a clean-up. But it didn't need it for one section, it needed it in the the whole thing, but most people wouldn't know that the cleanup needed all spoilers removed. If we add this section to the cleanup template, it doesn't always need to be used, but it is there for necessary times when specifics need to be removed such as the spoilers on River's page. I've cleaned her page up since asking for the template to be modified, but I still think it will be useful for the future. The Thirteenth Doctor 17:08, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

Community involvement with the italics/quotes issue
I obviously value discussions and consensus decision-making too. That's why I use the fora and talk pages with great frequency. You keep making the point of seeking discussion as if it's something I'm not doing. But is that fair? We're talking about a change that I clearly want to make, that I have the tools to make with relative ease, and about which I actually don't think there is any logical resistance. To me, this is like arguing over whether the sky is blue. And yet. . I've made no substantive moves on the matter in the 18 months the discussion has been open. How much more dedicated do you want me to be to using the fora? Even by our standards, this discussion has been ongoing, unresolved, for a ridiculously long time. Let's face it, if you were on board with this idea, you wouldn't be behaving so cautiously. And reluctance and caution are both fine things. But please don't shade the issue as if I'm trying to do something improper by seeking closure on an 18-month-old discussion. Most of my major actions on this wiki have only been made after at least some period of discussion on the fora or talk pages.  Czech Out  ☎ | ✍ 06:46, June 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Of course it's a 18-month discussion and not just two spurts of activity. It's significant that no one else has posted in that time. I think it indicates that they don't care, and that they want us to settle the matter. You can't make people interested enough in a topic that they'll post. Some things attract attention; some things don't. You can't force people to use the fora. If you wanna try the canvassing thing, cool. For me, canvassing has produced mixed results in the past, but what the heck. Again, though, let's not make this out to be a question of failing to involve the community. That's wholly unfair. This topic has been out there, and several times at the top of the list of topics at the Panopticon. It's not like this has been buried on your talk page. People have read it, and chosen to ignore it, just like they did the K9 discussion. Arguing the finer points of punctuation isn't gonna set the world on fire, but somebody has to bring it up and take a stand on it.  Czech Out  ☎ | ✍ 07:27, June 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm really glad you've gotten more input at the forum thread, but I do think the precise language you've used to drive people there was a little less than neutral. Instead of saying something bland like, "Could you please come to this forum thread and give your opinion", you went further than I would and said, "I'm not comfortable with . . . " — which kinda suggests that something "fishy" was going on. People will have naturally gone to that page with greater suspicion than was necessary. I'm not angry or anything. I don't think you were actually trying to "load" the discussion with people "on your side". And I absolutely understand what you were trying to say in the full sentence. You were saying that you were uncomfortable with just two people having the discussion, which is a perfectly valid point.


 * But I do think some people might have focused merely on the fact that you said you were uncomfortable rather than parsing the whole sentence. And as you're viewed as the senior admin who tends to "close" these discussions, such word choice can have a devastating effect upon genuine conversation. It's a bit like one's boss saying, "I'm uncomfortable; aren't you uncomfortable, too?" And that feeling of discomfort could be then applied to the thing being proposed, especially as you are uncomfortable with the proposal. Again, I'm not suggesting intentionality or anything like that, but that's a subliminal vibe that's possible to infer. It's so important to consensus building that people be alerted to a discussion in as neutral a way as possible, as is suggested at the Wikipedia guidelines on canvassing. In the interests of avoiding anything like this in the future, I have therefore brought over a simplified version of Please see from Wikipedia.  Czech Out  ☎ | ✍ 20:25, June 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry that my words upset you. I thought they would reassure you. After all, having the tools to do something, but not doing them, surely shows restraint and responsibility. In this instance in particular, where I really don't understand the community response, I think it shows a demonstrable respect for the community-building process. You seem to start from the position that I'm a loose cannon or something, and that baffles me. Given that you've had other admin around here saying things on talk pages like, "Nah, don't ask anybody, just do it," I'd have thought the amount that I talk about things before doing them a refreshing change.  Czech Out  ☎ | ✍ 17:50, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

Formatting the Doctors
Hey. You were part of the discussion above. I was wondering if you could have a look at the discussion as I have given a new reply including an example page, and maybe we could start discussing it again now that we'll have time before the Christmas special. Also, I think it'd be good to get the rest of the community's opinions if you could ask them to join. Thanks. The Thirteenth Doctor 20:53, June 27, 2010 (UTC)

The Time Field
As we Know the Finale has aired but yet nobody has made a decision. So Please Could you move the Time Field to the Time Crack! I am Only asking to change this because in the big bang the doctor says amy is not a ordinary girl because she grew up with a Time CRACK in her wall not time field. so please could you move it? From Liamhenney 18:29, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, it may have been seven months ago that Liamhenney said that and I agree, Tangerineduel. Good idea, Liamhenney! 90.215.45.50 19:50, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

Help with discussion
Hey, can you please state you view on the discussion I am having in the forums here. Its about the navigation template, and I am would like you views on them, and how we can improve them (ChzechOut's idea) or if we should remove them. Cheers. Mini-mitch 22:19, July 17, 2010 (UTC)

Doctor Who Spoofs
What is the limit really of Doctor Who spoofs? I mean... The Curse of the Fatal Death has an article on this wiki. Lenny Henry also did a spoof on his show, so should that have an article as well. I understand that not all spoofs need an article, a lot of them aren't proper skits, but I think the Lenny Henry one is. It was also released alongside the Curse of the Fatal Death and on the Trial of a Time Lord. So shouldn't it have its own article(s). I can create them in my user namespace first if that's better? The Thirteenth Doctor 13:25, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

Mortimus name change
Hey there, a number of users have been talking about a name change from Mortimus to The Monk because now Mortimus isnt his most recent name and The Monk is a more recognised name for him. Just thought i'd get an admin's view before changing anything.

http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Mortimus

Revanvolatrelundar 15:11, October 11, 2010 (UTC)

Death of the Doctor editing
Sorry to complain but whats the point in not being to edit Death of the Doctor until it's been broadcast. The Vault of Secrets hasn't been broadcast but people can edit that. Why? I'm not complaining about the "admin only" thing, I understand that. Ghastly9090 17:36, October 16, 2010 (UTC)

So it's gonna stay like that until Death of the Doctor has been broadcast? Ghastly9090 14:58, October 17, 2010 (UTC)

Please could you change the editing thing. Perhaps you could do a poll on the home page then that means that everyone gets to infulence what happens to the wiki, not just the admins. Please. The only reason me and I'm sure loads of other people go on this wiki is being able to tell people about Doctor Who. Please consider my request. Ghastly9090 15:16, October 19, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, how many non wiki heads like me actully knew about the editing poll thingy? You could put one one the main home page; then people will know and there will be a better result. Ghastly9090 17:45, October 19, 2010 (UTC)

Yes. You said it yourself. It is meant to draw people in. A poll would be perfect. People really like doing polls because it makes them think that they have made an impact on what happens on the wiki. They would love it. It would DEFINETLEY draw people in. Consider it. Ghastly9090 15:19, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

OK, polling is not is aparrently not a good idea but then, what is someone comes up with a great idea, an absolutely amazing idea, tell you, and you think "Oh no, I don't like that", how do you know that a vast majority of the wiki could even will like it? How do the admins know that they are making the right decision? People don't find out about it unless they look on your talk page but how many people actully bother to go looking on this talk page and go "Oh I like that idea". I think the whole wiki should have their say in what happens on the wiki. Now that loads of people go on the wiki its not the admins decision, its the peoples decision. You are the clever person, come up with a way to notify and let people know and have a part in decisions. Ghastly9090 16:18, October 22, 2010 (UTC)

Hi, did you see the above message? Ghastly9090 16:45, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Ghastly9090
Can you please give Ghastly9090 a warning. They've been warned several times about not adding spoilers and future appearances, but have ignored them. Thanks. --The Thirteenth Doctor 15:09, October 17, 2010 (UTC)

SJA wiki
Hey can I post links from The Sarah Jane Adventures Wiki to this Wiki it is just stories Sarah Jane Smith features in. Drwhokid 22:08, October 17, 2010 (UTC)

A few questions
Hi, I need to ask u three things: 1: The ancient civiliation on Mars whould that be considered as Ice Warriors or Osirins? 2. What is this Anti wiki alliance? and 3. Why has Solar Dragon left?

Just curious. Many thanks Son of Icthar 14:02, October 19, 2010 (UTC)

Yet another question
Just wondered, how do you delte a whole article. Just wondered how, don't worry I'm not going to delete anything on this wiki. If you could tell me how though, that would be great.Son of Icthar 14:05, October 19, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for answering my questions, could you just clarify something for me were the pyramids built by the Ice warriors or the Osirans, I think it's the osarians but my friend says it's the ice warriors. Also who or what was Monaco? I've never heard of it, if you could tell me that would be great. I don't suppose you know where I can see a picture of this 'oasis' or whatever it's called. Many thanks Son of Icthar 10:50, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

Unblock
Please can you update Death Of The Doctor with the synopsis and ading the doctor to the cast list

Merge and categories
Hey, could you merge Osterhagen Project and Osterhagen key. I put the merge template up a while ago and no one has objected. As I said on the key's page it's literally the same information on two different pages, so would just be better to have a section on the key in the project's page.

The second thing is categories. In the Category:History, Archaeology has it's own subcategory. If you go to it, that category is in the history and science categories. It only has the Archaeology page in it, so would it not simply be easier to put the archaeology page directly into the history and science pages? I could understand if there were several articles or even subcategories for archaeology, but there isn't. And the same would apply to others of the same kind of nature. Would you object to me changing these? --The Thirteenth Doctor 11:02, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll have a look around and see, but if there isn't any other, would it be removed, and the same for other categories? Also, Death of the Doctor, one of the categories you added was missing the ) at the end, so it's created a red link. --The Thirteenth Doctor 12:00, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

It may have been three months ago that this happened but I think that merge is a really bad idea. 90.215.45.50 20:44, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

92.6.124.1
This user is a vandal and has vandalised several pages, despite being warned. The Thirteenth Doctor 19:33, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

?
Why cant i edit death of the doctor? Tangerineduel2 13:46, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

Tangerineduel2
Hi, a user calling himself Tangerineduel2 has been leving stupid messages on my talk page. Can you talk to him? Ghastly9090 13:56, October 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * I actually believe that having such a similar name to yours is actually warrant for permanent blocking, isn't it? --The Thirteenth Doctor 14:02, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

Jasontyler
Can you please give this person a final warning. He has been warned numerous times about adding unconfirmed information without citation or sources. The Thirteenth Doctor 10:27, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Short Story
Hey, when you edited this the other day, I think it messed a little bit of the code up somehow. I was looking at Leap Second and the other short stories, and they all have the same code at the top of the page, and I'm sure it's to do with the template. --The Thirteenth Doctor 11:52, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Death to the Doctor
Sorry, I don't remeber doing that. I must have clicked something by accident I guess. Sorry for the inconvenience.--Skittles the hog 16:57, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Creating New Pages with no info
I've noticed something that a lot of people are doing, generally new users or anons. They create new pages, but just have one line or no information at all. This looks bad on the history of the page, and it's better if the article is started with some actual content on it. Is it possible to add something like that to our policies about not creating pages if you haven't filled in basic information about the subject? The Thirteenth Doctor 20:32, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

94.7.224.51
Could you please leave a message on the above IP's talk page. I've asked them a few times when creating articles to remember and put the episode source beside the information. For some of the pages it's easy to tell where the information comes from, but the user has ignored my asking them to do so, and it's other users who are having to add it in. Thanks. --The Thirteenth Doctor 12:06, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

PandoricaOpens666
You need to have a talk with this user, his edits are consistantly speculative and he refuses to conform to the manual of style. Finally he leaves hostile comments on user's talk pages who remove or correct his edits, such as he is doing on The Thirteenth Doctor now. Revanvolatrelundar 16:37, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

Revanvolatrelundar acts mature and powerful, but considering he thinks I'm called "PandoricaOpens666" as opposed to "ThePandoricaOpens666" I think he's the one that has an issue of "factual inaccuracy"

I do conform to the manual of style mostly and I do try, and if you people who run this site would stop being so ignorant and pointing out the negative things no matter how small they are not noticing the positive contributions like the ones I have done to numerous SJA articles, and making small cases look extreme. Consistant? That's nonsense, and another thing, saying that factual innacuracy is extreme....it's not in most cases.

Oh, and he did have the decency to spell Thr Thirteenth Doctor's name correctly, well that shows what he thinks of me in comparison to him. I am not making personal attacks at the Thirteenth Doctor, and...hostile? Thats nonsense also, I never threatened him or insulted him, like I said you people make a big thing out of petty situations.

The Thirteenth Doctor is actually pretty unkind to users, he bullies them, criticises them for every little thing they do wrong and think's he's correct about everything and is not open to hear new opinions, he also appears very formal and enthusiastic about all the suffering that goes on in this wiki or the Whoniverse, and I was merely stating my opinion.

And to be honest.....This is a wiki about entertainment! You're all treating this like it's some big, legal matter, there is nothing serious going on here, yet you all sit at your computers or laptops acting serious and mature about this, acting like this whole website is some big responbility, and in a way thats very biased and immature.

~ ThePandoricaOpens666 27th October 2010, 18:26 (UTC)

"You've redecorated - I don't like it!"
Hi, just a quickie....has the new improved site taken away our sidebar and its features? The Librarian 15:34, October 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I'm sure I'll get used to it :) The bit I miss is the list of quick save links to pages working on? and not sure what My Tools is for? ...yet! ;) The Librarian 18:13, October 28, 2010 (UTC)

109.154.2.185
This user has repeatedly vandalised after several warnings and needs blocking. The Thirteenth Doctor 18:10, October 28, 2010 (UTC)

The Five Doctors
This user: 92.25.94.14 Has repeatedly vandilised The Five Doctors page. Check the history if you want, I have rolled the edits back.--Skittles the hog 10:35, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

Admin
What does the word Admin mean to you? In fact what does the word Admin mean entierly?

But are the Admins in charge of this whole website? Or just second-in-command?

Okay, but how come wikipedia dosen't let anybody edit, an this does? Is wikiepida just run by staff and not admins as you said?

Thank you for that information. Rumors have spread suggesting that there will be a flying shark in the 2010 christmas episode, and that there will be glimpse of Amy and Rory Williams's honeymoon but they were having they're honeymoon on the honeymoon world mentioned in SJA. Also could anyone create a wiki like about a comic a book, anything? Like would me for instance be able to make my own wiki were people could edit like this one? Who founded Doctor Who wiki?

I never wanted to MAKE a wiki, I was just interested that's all!

Christmas episode what-what-what?
Is there really gonna be a flying shark? Will we have a glimpse of a Amy and Rory's honeymoon? Although it did happen during death of the doctor.

Trouble
Recently Solar Dragon has been abusive to me, and unkind and racsit! Please try and stop this once and for all!

Favour
Could you tell the thirteenth doctor, im sorry for what i've done, because he isn't responding to my messages.

a question
since when was the cheetah people and catkind shown to have claws. Kingdomcode 21:53, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

Followed pages
I've made it private, but I can't find any way of unfollowing it without creating it again and then unfollowing it. Is there a way you can do it without recreating the page? The Thirteenth Doctor 12:37, October 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * Wait, never mind. I found it. I'll be removing all of the red links now. Thanks for pointing that out. --The Thirteenth Doctor 12:38, October 31, 2010 (UTC)

re:a question
i cant see this pic so good can you tell me do the cheetah people wear open-toed shoes by looking at this pic. Kingdomcode 19:06, October 31, 2010 (UTC)Kingdomcode

About gothic stories
Hi! Well, yes. The Kasterborous reference cited is where a lot of it is coming from. I must say it's changed since I left that message on the talk page. The thing is, I don't really know where you stand of plaguerism. I know plenty of people who would consider copying a line but changing one or two words to be plaguerism, but others wouldn't. If consider the first point to be accurate, then basically the whole page is plaguerised. If you consider the second, probably one or two sentences that I doubt breach any copyright laws. I'm A Hydroponic Tomato! Bigredrabbit (talk to me) 05:04, November 1, 2010 (UTC)

Lost in Time cast list
Hi. Here is the cast list for Lost in Time: Lady Matilda (Fiona Hampton), Mistress Ellen (Elizabeth Rider), Queen Jane (Amber Beattie), Shopkeeper (Cyril Nri), George (Richard Wisker), Emily (Gwyneth Keyworth), Gemma (Lucie Jones), Emily (Gwyneth Keyworth), Miss Wyckham (Catherine Bailey), Koenig (Tom Wlaschiha), Katy (Morgan-Faith Hughes) and Ben (Llewcus Oaten).

Source: http://doctorwhotv.co.uk/sja-lost-in-time-pics-10853.htm#ixzz14Ev9zJF3Ghastly9090 17:03, November 3, 2010 (UTC)

Can you add this to the Lost in Time page for me. Ghastly9090 15:56, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

User
Can you take a look at this users contributions: User:Drummer who, I warned them about vandalism.--Skittles the hog 14:32, November 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * The User has now had four warnings. He seems to be ignoring the them as he is continually adding the images that he added yesterday, which several User including myself and you removed and reverted. Is a block in order because if it keeps up we'll end up with edits wars. Mini-mitch 13:49, November 7, 2010 (UTC)

help?
do you know a site where i can watch outtakes or cat-flap from DW:Survival i only could find one on youtube and i cant buy the DVD Kingdomcode 14:57, November 6, 2010 (UTC)Kingdomcode

Blood Harvest
Do you know if NA: Blood Harvest is (partially) set in E-Space, if so it needs to be categorised accordingly. Thanks--Skittles the hog 16:28, November 8, 2010 (UTC)

videos
Im being curious are short clips from episodes allowed on this wiki. Drwhokid 19:57, November 9, 2010 (UTC)

Well Done
This is just casual, but I just want to say well done for keeping the wiki so organised. I have been looking at other wikis and they are absolutely terrible. There are incomplete pages, bad articles. You and the other admins are doing a GREAT job. Ghastly9090 11:00, November 13, 2010 (UTC)

Can I modify...
Congrats and Thanks for having a good organized wiki for DW fans, I want to ask one thing. Can I modify/copy your infobox_individual for a wiki please? Because I really suck at making infobox and I attempted making one and it was really crap and I saw the one you use. If you want credits or anything tell me where please? If no, Thanks anyway.

Sykez 18:43, November 16, 2010 (UTC)

Featured Article
for featured articles in the future for newer episodes (and older ones) dose the No TBA rule apply to dvds when they have not been announced Joshoedit 05:54, November 17, 2010 (UTC)

I Ment SJA Joshoedit 19:56, November 20, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you!!! I really needed that infobox. So happy now.

Sykez 15:18, November 17, 2010 (UTC)

Short Trips: Volume 1 infobox
Hey, i made the page for the new short trips audio and the infobox went a tad wrong. Ive done my best to fix it but to no avail, could you try to fix it please? Revanvolatrelundar 15:29, November 18, 2010 (UTC)

Managed to fix it now. Revanvolatrelundar 15:51, November 18, 2010 (UTC)

Help
Hi Tangerineduel. I have just become an admin on The Sarah Jane Adventures Wiki. I think Mini-mitch is a regular user on it as well but it is in really bad shape. There are loads of VITAL pages that need creating and that's where you come in. If I am not mistaken you created this wiki and look at it now; It's number 10 on the "Wiki Charts". Please would you try to help Sarah Jane Adventures Wiki by creating some of these pages and I could help by asking the guy in charge (Mini-mitch I think) to make you and admin. This is not bribary. Please could you help or at least have a look. Thanks so much. Ghastly9090 16:12, November 20, 2010 (UTC)

A Christmas Carol
Why isn't there a Christmas Special Page yet? Ghastly9090 16:15, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Just An Idea
For Adventure games: Talk pages the page is full of game help. just thought that should Separate pages be made from the talk page so there clear for editing pages Discussions (it can also be used for other games) Joshoedit 05:56, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

Not quite a merger then - sorry!
Hi sorry about that I was about to add soundtracks Series 5 and specials and I noted that the article page could have been better (as suggested) so I just did it - sorry about that. As I did the original page, and it had been sitting there a while, I didnt think it would matter if I orphaned my original page. Obviously I was wrong - again sorry. I was just those three pages so I promise I wont do it again. Am I forgiven oh great and highly respected one? btw wheres the template for audio music soundtracks with collapsable fields for previous and next - cant seem to find it again. The Librarian 10:10, December 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Me again! I knew there was something ... Infobox Music template doesn't include previous and next. The Librarian 19:04, December 6, 2010 (UTC)

Jane Espenson
Jane is writing three to five episodes, three of them definitely will be written by her. She has revealed the line "I need to talk to you" said by Jack in episode five. She also confirmed on twitter she is writing episode seven in one of her 'writing sprints' @adrievdm @janeespenson

Spoiler alert
Just a friendly advisory that this afternoon what appears to be a fairly major spoiler involving the Doctor in Series 6 has started to make the rounds. Without giving it away (because I'm mad enough at getting spoiled unnecessarily and I don't want to do it to anyone else), it's one of those things that could result in less-responsible IPs and newbies making certain edits to some articles, like that of the Doctor. If you're not aware of the spoiler, just a suggestion you may want to police the articles to make sure premature/prebroadcast/unconfirmed information isn't added. (As I understand it, while the wiki isn't a spoiler-free zone, that applies to material already broadcast and published and not necessarily in relation to an episode that may not air till next June) 68.146.64.9 23:33, December 8, 2010 (UTC)

Protection
Could you protect my talkpage for a week or so? I'm arguing with a member over his inappropriate behavior, and would rather just drop the entire issue. However, I don't think he is willing to do that, and would like to have my TP temporarily protected to force the point. Thank you for your time, regardless of your decision. -- Bold  Clone  02:44, December 20, 2010 (UTC)

ban
can you ban http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/86.144.64.176 as hes vandalising the survival page. thanks Revanvolatrelundar 12:55, December 20, 2010 (UTC)

Talk Page
What Happened to the christmas carol talk page? Joshoedit 18:44, December 21, 2010 (UTC)

IP Personal Attacks
I believe that here, the IP user has crossed the line on personal attacks. Could you please do something about him? Thank you for your time. -- Bold  Clone  21:07, December 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Here is another personal attack made by the same IP. -- Bold  Clone  18:09, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

Possession
Would Compassion's taking over of people count as possession?--Skittles the hog 15:19, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

hey you know the photo how do knew get the liscisnig add new ones like doctor who adventures issues etc

liscising
how do you do your new liscing topics for your photos like doctor who adventures topic etc

Apostrophies
Should we use abbriviations/apostrophies in the general format of main pages? I accept that they can be used in speech extracts but I've seen cases when people have said things like "The Silence will be a monster that we've not seen before" etc. What do you think? Finally have you entered the competition that wikia are running nominating your favourite wiki for a chance to be on the main wikia page? I have, nominating Tardis index file of course! Ghastly9090 18:10, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

Christmas Special 2010
Can't seem to recreate this page after your deletion of it. Need to do so, as it's the only official name we have for the Christmas episode of Doctor Who Confidential. Not quite sure why it's not working. Can you please check to see if you need to undo some admin-y type thing? Thanks.  Czech Out  ☎ | ✍ 22:59, December 25, 2010 (UTC)

Users
User:Higuiseitsmeagain created the vandilised page TATU.--Skittles the hog 19:30, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

TOC movement
I share your concerns about picture placement, and indeed they are ones also conveyed by Skittles the hog. As I explained to him, however, there was no way to test this in some sort of sandbox or hypothetical way, as the effect had to be seen on real pages.

Each page has a different TOC and a different ratio of text to picture. Consequently the "picture placement" issue actually doesn't affect the majority of pages. See, for example, The Reign of Terror, The Dalek Invasion of Earth, Day of the Daleks, The Krotons, The Seeds of Doom, The Ultimate Foe, and, say, Survival. None of these picture displays are negatively impacted by the TOC move. This is because they are adequately written, with a decent-sized lead and synopses. It's also because these pages, by and large, don't try to put the picture immediately under the episode number subhead (though Survival proves you can get away with it, if the lead and synopsis are long enough).

So the best solution to the tiny problem being caused here is simply to fix the defects that are inherent in the pages, anyway. As long as the non-illustrated text extends to the bottom of the infobox, picture placement is unaffected. And, given the new, narrower page widths, that's not asking for all that much text. Also, it makes relatively little design sense for the first picture on a page with an infobox to be sent to the right side. Even without this change, that means that the picture is going to be underneath the major graphical element on the page. On most of these problematic pages, simply "left"ing the first picture snaps everything into place nicely.

Of course, this doesn't address the actual technical problem, which is that the infobox, and not the TOC, is causing this issue. Because it's coded as a simple table now, it's just not playing well with the thumbnail code. As we can see on List of stories recorded at BBC Television Centre, however, it's quite possible for a picture to sit to the immediate left of a template. I'm going to spend some time today, now that I've figured out the actual technical issue, trying to find a new way of coding the box.

To be honest, though, it's not really all that necessary to "fix" the box — because, again, simply editing the few pages that are currently problematic will both resolve the issue and improve the wiki. But I'm still going to poke around a bit, looking for a template solution.  Czech Out  ☎ | ✍ 14:02, January 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * Nope, you didn't ask for a fix to the box. It just bugs me that there are templates here that allow for pictures being placed immediately to the left of the infobox, while others don't. I think I've found the reason though, and will let you know how that progresses. No need for pictures to look unnecessarily screwy while we're busy improving them, if at all possible. I'm not gonna waste too much time on it, cause at the end of the day it's just better to improve the articles and turn the infobox thing into a non-issue.


 * As for previous/next story on the infobox, I've got a huge problem with that wording on BBC Wales productions, as that's often entirely incorrect. If you're at The Empty Child, the next story is not The Doctor Dances. It's also not particularly correct if you're sitting at Mindwarp. The next story isn't Terror of the Vervoids, cause that's just a chapter in The Trial of a Time Lord. Also, it's just a waste of space. Adding the word "story" adds an extra line of text (on some broswers, and at some font sizes, in some skins) which doesn't actually improve the user's understanding of the label. If you say "previous" and next to it is the linked name of a serial or episode, people understand what it means. Even if you're blind and using a reader, there's no difference between "previous" and "previous story", if the next words you hear are those describe an episode/serial title.  Czech Out  ☎ | ✍ 15:02, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

A bit of a signup glitch
Short version: Attempting to sign up seems to have gone a bit screwy for me and now I've got an inaccessable account. If you can't deal with this for whatever technical reasons, I'd appreciate a referral up the chain to whomever at Wikia can.

Long version: I was doing a bit of editing, thought to sign up, and after filling out the form got a "username taken" error. Looked at the user page (User:CrazyDreamer) and saw that it listed the user signup date as today. Must be me, right? (Especially given that it's a pretty unique username; pretty much anywhere on the 'net you see that, that's me.) But logging in using the password I selected didn't work, and hitting the "e-mail me a new password" button hasn't resulted in an e-mail at the address I had supplied, so all that must have gotten borked somehow. I don't know if this indicates a bug in the system or a one-off glitch.

Possible resolution and contact info: My current IP User talk page probably isn't the best location, and the talk page for an account I can't log into isn't either, so e-mailing me at my preferred user name (CrazyDreamer) at (@) my personal domain (crazydreams.org) is probably best. Correcting the CrazyDreamer user account's e-mail address to that would allow me to use the password recovery function to log in, solving my problems. If other people have the same problem, of course, then the usual steps for reporting bugs will have to be taken, but if not, it's probably just a one-off.

--67.184.57.10 14:06, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

Wishing you a Happy New Year ......and....
Just wondered if you thought there was a need for an 'ongoing' stub? I was thinking of those pages which are still ongoing in terms of needing updating regularly so as to remain current, as opposed to the usual stub denoting an article that needs padding out with more content. Just a thought. Hope Christmas was good to you The Librarian 00:22, January 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * ok perhaps 'stub' was the wrong word I meant 'template' (? I think), something to denote that the pages are only as current as their last addition and so may albeit for a short time - out of date. Things like magazines, listings of comic strips, ongoing lines of merchandise that sort of thing. Hope thats a bit clearer .... New Year and still more muddled thinking - damn!! The Librarian 20:49, January 3, 2011 (UTC)

 Czech Out  ☎ | ✍ 20:56, January 3, 2011 (UTC)

Experiments and stubs
Just thinking... could we put the stubs on TOP of the page like spoliers ect. so they get more attention wich might get the problem fixed... and the thing about the thing above is using pages to show what they are doing. I'm not against this just thinking a box saying somthing like: This page is being used as part of an experiment Joshoedit 00:26, January 4, 2011 (UTC)

Bold Clone
I would like to propose the temporal blocking of User:Bold Clone. For the following reasons: Re-adding delete template after vote against and removal of content (see Howling Halls). I posted warnings on his user page but he promptly deleted them. He also posted a warning on my page claiming that deletion of the template was against policy despite the discussion favouring keeping it. A vote was non-existent at the time. Thanks--Skittles the hog-- Talk 17:24, January 4, 2011 (UTC)

He seems to be ignoring the opinions of other users also as he is re-adding the delete template even after a majority vote has decided that it should be removed. Revanvolatrelundar 17:27, January 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Hey. There was no vote against and removal of content at first. I was trying to follow policy by waiting for a vote.
 * The warnings were groundless. It was not vandalism. Check the wiki policies to see that I'm right.
 * Are we supposed to vote or discuss? The impression I got was that we discuss, then vote. A discussion would mean nothing without a vote to confirm it. Thanks for listening to me. -- Bold  Clone  17:30, January 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * A majority of 3 votes? Isn't there a minimum amount needed or a minimum time for the vote? -- Bold  Clone  17:31, January 4, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry to use your page as some sort of battleground, if you look at the howling halls history it has all the evidence you need. All the information on their can be justified as you can see it is sourced. Thanks--Skittles the hog-- Talk 17:36, January 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Sigh...wrong. The info cannot be justified, even if it is sourced. All you are saying is "I didn't make up this info." Don't get me wrong, that's good, but you're still saying "the halls might be a prision." That is speculation, and to repeatedly add the info is vandalism. -- Bold  Clone  17:38, January 4, 2011 (UTC)

Discuss this on my page, don't junk up another users.--Skittles the hog-- Talk 17:40, January 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * ...You were the one who started this; you were the one who turned this page into a battleground...-- Bold  Clone  17:44, January 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Just more on Bold Clones behaviour, he is currently taking a childish approach, to doing everything "by the book" which is preventing me from properly editing due to his provocative comments and insitence on reverting users edits before consulting the users about why they have been done so. Revanvolatrelundar 19:43, January 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * You aren't doing any better. You're reverting everything I do without asking me why I did it. Doing it by the book is the way to do it, otherwise I'd be better off to break the rules.
 * Provocative comments? -- Bold  Clone  19:47, January 4, 2011 (UTC)

I agree, Bold Clone seems to have arrived on this wiki and decided that he is "the law". As you can see by this page, he cannot accept that he may be at fault. Sorry to press the issue.--Skittles the hog-- Talk 19:45, January 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Sigh...I have decided to follow the law. It's not really my problem if you won't. I just try to do my job. I can't be at fault if I am following the law. Sorry to have these editors continually bother you, Tangerineduel. -- Bold  Clone  19:49, January 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Examples of this are the message that has just been posted now, it is asking for an answer that is obviously not needed and therefore stopping users from getting on with useful edits. Revanvolatrelundar 19:51, January 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * I need it. I don't really know what you consider provocative. I am trying to do my job here, which includes adding proper info (including IB, which you are preventing), and deleting worthless pages, which I am also prevented from doing so. -- Bold  Clone  19:53, January 4, 2011 (UTC)

Professerbillybob
Professerbillybob needs blocking also as he is constantly removing content from the eleventh doctor page. Revanvolatrelundar 17:31, January 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's more widespread now; he does need to be banned if he doesn't stop. (He is vandalizing.) -- Bold  Clone  17:36, January 4, 2011 (UTC)

Utopia
I don't think I have the powers to do this, but, according to naming conventions, the following should happen: Not quite sure why Ghelæ deliberately edited away from the naming conventions, but there we are. Obviously, I could do point #1, but I think point #2 is where things start to go beyond me, because Utopia already exists as a pre-edited page. If I'm wrong, and I can do all that, let me know and I'll gladly take care of it. Otherwise, thanks for any help you can give. :)  Czech Out  ☎ | ✍ 23:23, January 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) Utopia needs to move to Utopia (disambiguation)
 * 2) Utopia (planet) needs to move to Utopia
 * 3) Utopia (planet) needs to then be deleted.
 * 4) Utopia (short story) and Utopia (TV story) need to stay where they are.
 * Ah, but there's the rub. According to Help:Moving pages only admins "have the additional option on pages moves of disabling the automatic redirect". And indeed I just did a move and looked in vain for anything like a "disable redirect" button. So I think I did need your help at some point on that road, and thank you for giving it.  Czech Out  ☎ | ✍ 13:20, January 5, 2011 (UTC)

Bold Clone
Sorry to bother you again but still Bold Clone is being distruptive on the wikia, reverting users edits and refusing to listen to why they are being reverted in the first place. Please i implore you, sort out this problem, i speak for myself Skittles and Mini Mitch as he is preventing all of us from moving on to new edits. Revanvolatrelundar 20:01, January 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, what he's doing does not fall foul of any specific rule on the wiki. I've just spent a few minutes looking, and we don't have any real policies on edit warring. In particular, we have nothing remotely like Wikipedia's very helpful 3 reversion rule, which would've curbed the craziness at the Howling Halls a while ago. It's kind of ironic, though. The Howling Halls have become a real prison for some of our editors now. This would be the ideal time to submit such a policy change to the forum. I'm sure it would pass without difficulty.  Czech Out  ☎ | ✍ 15:13, January 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree it would be a good time to update the wikias rules on blocking and revertion.
 * An example would be: once a users edit is reverted and a reason has been provided, then the topic must be discussed and voted for on the talk page instead of a big revertion war. Those who do not follow this could then face blocking after a warning from an admin. Revanvolatrelundar 15:23, January 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * Agreed; there needs to be a modification to the blocking/revertion rules. Perhaps something like "anyone who gets involved in an edit war gets banned for a minimum of a day", simply to cool thing down and let others initiate disscussion? The reason why I suggest this is that if you engage in an edit war, you aren't really any better than the 'vandal' you are fighting. However, I believe that the definition of 'vandal' should also be improved. After all, if you are removing ambiguous or contraversial info, then aren't you doing the wiki a favor? That said, I'd like to point out that all I was doing was removing vague and contraversial info. -- Bold  Clone  18:17, January 7, 2011 (UTC)

DWA
The doctor who adventures button on the home page is about 7 issues out of dateJoshoedit 20:41, January 5, 2011 (UTC)

Didn't work 4 me Joshoedit 19:00, January 6, 2011 (UTC)

replying to a message
hi yeah I'm sorry if I did upload a different version of the same image I wasnt aware that I was doing that. however I didnt appreciate that you deleted the image I put up even if I accidently posted it as a new version of a different image. look i am technically chalanged so it an amazing feat that i am even on a forum or talk page let alone trying to put images on a site so yeah

ClassicTV box
Awww, you don't like the borderless? Shame. I think it looks way better. Well, I'll tweak it some more then.  Czech Out  ☎ | ✍ 16:15, January 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * There ya go. Border restored.  Czech Out  ☎ | ✍ 16:17, January 7, 2011 (UTC)

Series Boxes
Template: Series Pages have been edited to make xmas special blend in with the rest of the series and also the series 6 split has been removed. just wondering if you or other admin have asked that to change Joshoedit 21:16, January 8, 2011 (UTC)

Forum Started Forum:Series Boxes Joshoedit 02:43, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

Age limit
Hey, Tangerineduel, User:90.215.45.50 here, please tell me if there is an age limit to wikia editors? Thanks.

Thank you for answering. Er, I am going to be 12 in July this year, will that count? 90.215.45.50 20:28, January 14, 2011 (UTC)

Delete Revanvolatrelundar
I am not very happy at Revanvolatrelundar because I created a page called Temporal Anomaly and he deleted it straight away so it would be good if you deleted him from the Doctor Who Wiki. Thanks. 90.215.45.50 19:03, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

In my defense the page wasnt sourced and the info, to the best of my knowledge was false anyway. Also i cannot delete pages as i am not an admin. Revanvolatrelundar 19:14, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

Answer to 'Removing Content'
The information in heading 'Removing Content' is nothing to me because it is utter tosh as I have never done such a thing, Tangerineduel. 90.215.45.50 19:37, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

Was it you?
Revanvolatrelundar said he thought it was you who deleted Temporal Anomaly. Was it? (If so tell me, if not tell me and talk to Revanvolatrelundar for accusing you). 90.215.45.50 19:39, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

Ive checked the logs and it was Doug86, sorry for the bother Tang. Revanvolatrelundar 19:42, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

User Pictures
How do you give yourself a picture for your userpage, if you know what I mean? 90.215.45.50 21:42, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

Changes to MediaWiki:Licenses
Hey, it'd be really helpful if the following changes could be made to the licensing dropdown. For your cut-and-paste convenience, I include the whole of the code here.

The main changes here are  Czech Out  ☎ | ✍ 18:01, January 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * to italicize some things
 * to un-capitalize other things
 * to remove the DWIA "license" from active consideration. There's a difference between sourcing someone and providing the information as to its legal provenance. This is not a "license"; it's just sourcing a website that has no more right to the image than we do. Plus, his day is done; he was great in the 1990s, but now that we've got a more developed BBC website and a whole range of DVD releases, he's got nothing that can't be gotten from an official source. Even his publicity stills are better licensed with promotional than DWIA. In fact, as he is not the originator of any image on his site, all of his images can be better licensed. The site may have been very useful in 2005 and 2006, when we were struggling to found the wiki, but at this point, I don't think we want to encourage any new additions from that rather low-quality image site.
 * to create a comics section, and to add in idwcover and comicbookcover
 * to add the simple PD template to the last section
 * adding general clarity to the public domain wording (NASA images are not universally in public domain; wikipedia PD template needed stronger wording saying it's only public domain images from wikipedia, not wikipedia images in general.)

Code begins

 * TV & film images
 * screenshot|BBC screenshots
 * K9-screenshot|K-9 TV series screenshots
 * telesnap|Telesnaps
 * Film-screenshot|Images from spin-offs and films
 * Book covers
 * bbcbookcover|BBC Books covers
 * bfbookcover|Big Finish Productions book covers
 * virginbookcover|Virgin Publishing book covers
 * targetbookcover|Target Books book covers
 * telosbookcover|Telos Publishing book covers
 * bookcover|Any uncategorised book covers
 * CD and audio covers
 * bfcover|Big Finish Productions CD covers
 * bbvcover|BBV CD covers
 * bbcaudiocover|BBC Audio covers
 * audiocover|Any uncategorised audio covers
 * DVD, video & other covers
 * bbcdvdcover|BBC DVD or Blu-ray covers
 * bbcvidcover|BBC VHS covers
 * bbvcover|BBV DVD & video covers
 * rpcover|Realtime Pictures DVD & video covers
 * mediacover|Any uncategorised media covers
 * Illustrations & art
 * targetillustration|Illustrations from Target Books
 * webillustration|Illustrations from BBC websites & e-books
 * illustration|Any uncategorised illustrations
 * concept|Concept or proof artwork
 * Comics
 * comic copyright|Images from the interior of comic strips or graphic novels
 * idwcover|Images from IDW covers
 * comicbookcover|Any uncategorised comic book covers
 * Magazines
 * dwmcover|Doctor Who Magazine covers
 * dwacover|Doctor Who Adventures covers
 * BIT copyright|Doctor Who: Battles in Time magazine & cards
 * dwdvdfiles copyright|Doctor Who DVD Files magazine & DVD
 * twmcover|Torchwood Magazine covers
 * magazinecover|Any uncategorised magazine covers
 * Promotional and merchandising
 * merchandise|Images of merchandise
 * promotional|Promotional images including wallpaper
 * characteroptions copyright|Character Options merchandise
 * Fair use and public domain
 * fair dealing|Fair dealing or Fair use
 * Wikipedia PD Image|Public domain images from Wikipedia
 * PD-USGov|Public domain images from the US Government
 * NASA|Non-copyrighted images from NASA
 * PD|Public domain images from elsewhere
 * GFDL|GFDL
 * User images
 * user image|Image uploaded for use on user pages

Preview
Can comic previews be used to illustrate BFA characters?--Skittles the hog-- Talk 12:56, January 16, 2011 (UTC)

A slight change back to new decor
I like the new Doctor Who Wiki decor and all that but could you please bring back the sidebar? It makes using the wiki a whole lot better and easier. From the now well known 90.215.45.50 21:53, January 20, 2011 (UTC).

Vandalism
Please protect template:delete with full protection. There's no need for it ever to be edited. An anon user came through today and blanked it, which obviously had the effect of removing the delete template from a lot of pages.  Czech Out  ☎ | ✍ 16:14, January 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, I say "a lot", but obviously I just mean "a few" and am employing hyperbole for semantic effect.  Czech Out  ☎ | ✍ 16:18, January 17, 2011 (UTC)

Removing "added by" from under pictures
Could we please remove the "added by" line from under pictures? It's unnecessary, and in some situations, as with the command, simply displays in the weirdest places. I don't really see a need for a discussion, since it's not something any of us actively wanted; it was just forced on us by wikia. Plus, depending on the page on which the pic is located, it nominally violates our perspective policy by introducing the out-of-universe name of an editor to a page. It does require a tiny bit of CSS editing to disable, but the procedure is explained fairly simply here at community. Here's an example of one of the possibile outcomes when used with. Note how the name of the contributor simply becomes a part of the caption. In other instances, it'll throw the "Added by" line to the left of the page, quite apart from the photo itself. It's just a wacky nuisance.  Czech Out  ☎ | <font size="+1">✍ 20:28, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

Grammar guide
I think this is a marvelous idea. I'd have some thoughts on the actual wording you have now, as well as other things that might be included, but, as a concept, it's damn well needed. I know it can feel condescending, but here's why it's not:

The manual of style isn't actually that much of a manual of style. It's just a few guidelines thrown together. A true manual of style is every bit as detailed as you seem to be going with your effort. Newspaper manuals of style will have passages about correct use of contractions and possessives, just as you have now. Moreover, because we're "English speakers separated by a common language", we need something that specifically sets down what is correct for us and what is not. I just answered a thing on a talk page the other day — I think it was Talk:Mr Smith — about why there's no period in "Mr". And, to be honest with you, I know that, early on in my editing here, I've redirected articles to "St." something, away from the "British proper" "St" something.

So I say let's continue on with this effort, though it may be slightly premature to release it to a live page just yet.  Czech Out  ☎ | <font size="+1">✍  07:33, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

A small change back
I do like the new Doctor Who Wiki decor and all that but could you please bring back the sidebar? It's existence makes using this wiki a whole lot better. Thanks, from the now very well known 90.215.45.50 16:45, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks . . . and an italic request
Thanks for all your help recently. :) Can I prevail upon you do one more small change?   Could you please add the following to MediaWiki:Wikia.css? /* Fix for rewrite title */ It'll make it possible to have italic page titles, though the use of template:Title, as at A New Hope, and Great Expectations.  Changeover should then be possible to largely accomplish through the bot stamping template:Title onto each story page on the wiki.  Thanks :)   Czech Out   ☎ | <font size="+1">✍  07:33, January 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) title-meta i { font-style: italic !important; }
 * Oh, and if you're wondering what all the other templates are in category:italic title templates, well, they're delightful fun and they totally work in a beautifully complex way — but only in Monobook. Damned Wikia skin turns the titles into The Brain of Morbius, but doesn't parse the HTML.  This other .css change, though, is in current operation in the Wikia and Monobook skins at Wookieepedia, so all should be well here.   Czech Out   ☎ | <font size="+1">✍  07:33, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

Getting rid of "read more" thingie
Because that "read more" thing at the top right of articles can sometimes overflow into the edit history button (if category names are especially long), you might want to disable it. This can be done by adding the following to MediaWiki:Wikia.css: .RelatedPagesModule {display: none;} Just another thought. . .  Czech Out  ☎ | <font size="+1">✍ 07:33, January 21, 2011 (UTC) ==TheOncomingStorm == A user calling himself TheOncomingStorm has made no edits and every time I visit his page on a different day the "Member since" thingie says that date. could you speak to him? 90.215.45.50 16:55, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

Fancy coming to my rescue? plz
Hi! And I thought I was being so good! but ... I realise (CzechOut pointed it out!) that I've messed up image licences since 19th November - and I have unfortunately been rather busy. need to go back 500-1000 contributions ago!! :( You know how thick I am at these things (or should by now), so Im asking for help. Pleeeeease! I would like to correct my mistakes so ... Here goes!
 * 1: How / where do I select one from to add (to new pics)?Adding a picture doesn't ask for licence now.
 * Good news I think I've found out how to change a File with a (wrong) licence attached but most of mine recently dont have one to edit.
 * 2: If a picture doesn't have a licence how can I add one?
 * Gutted - I'm putting new work on hold until I can sort it - and know what Im doing. Thanks The Librarian 20:27, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

Hey!
Hey, how are you? Long time no... wiki... haha! Could you have a quick word with Codyjordan about adding sources. He's been warned numerous times about it, but has continued to add information without sources. Thanks. --The Thirteenth Doctor 12:46, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

Warning reply
That warning you gave me was considered random because I don't know what 'User's User page' is. I was just checking, from 90.215.45.50 15:45, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, OK. In that case, utter tosh. 90.215.45.50 17:21, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

Delete temp
Well, weird things are gonna happen if ya put it under an infobox. What happens there is that two big templates are competing to be in the same space, and one of them has to "lose". And the one that loses is "delete", because it's just a loose collection of div statements, rather than the proper table of an infobox.

The question really is, why would ya put the delete template under an infobox? It's meant to be the first thing on the page – or at least before any infoboxen/article text. And it's not "meant" to be that way just for coding reasons; it should be hittin' ya in the face no matter how big your browser window is. It should be saying to the reader, "Hey, there's a problem with this article; do something about it." Burying it under an infobox simply isn't a placement I ever expected, which is why the usage instructions say "place the following at the top of the offending article".

Even so, I have added a "clear:both" to the delete template so that "delete" retains its integrity no matter where it's placed on the page. That "clear:both" is a visual bomb, though, and will really frak with the page design if you put the template in the middle of the article. The best place is still the very top of the article. <span style="background:#cc3333; border:1px dotted #777777; padding:1px 3px 1px 3px; margin-left:4px; font-size:85%;-moz-border-radius:5px;"> czech out  <font color="#ffffff" title="Talk to me">☎ <font color="#ffffff" title="See what I've been up to">✍  <font color="#ffffff" title="Czech up on the bot">  13:32, January 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * No worries. It got me to discover and delete a lot of weird empty spaces at the bottom of the template that I'd never noticed before.  So it was a useful revisitation.  <span style="background:#cc3333; border:1px dotted #777777; padding:1px 3px 1px 3px; margin-left:4px; font-size:85%;-moz-border-radius:5px;"> czech out  <font color="#ffffff" title="Talk to me">☎  <font color="#ffffff" title="See what I've been up to">✍  <font color="#ffffff" title="Czech up on the bot">  13:47, January 22, 2011 (UTC)