Howling:Midnight Entity

I signed up just to discuss this theory, and its probably easily dismissed, but could the midnight entity possibly be The Master? I think its possible. From what i read about how in "The Waters of Mars" section, a scene where the doctor says he's there and there hasn't been any knocking and then suddenly there is a a knocking four times reminds me of the Midnight Entity. It also would help make sense as to why the Midnight Entity wanted to get rid of the doctor so much and The Master always did have that ability to persuade, just like the entity did with the other passengers in making it believe that the doctor was the bad one. Any thoughts?

I'm a seperate person, and I think this is correct. I have also developed a little theory for how he appeared on Midnight, and I think it is connected to both 'The Waters of Mars' and the ring...114.76.162.83 23:17, September 25, 2009 (UTC)


 * Please make sure to sign your posts! Type four tildes ( ~ ) or hit the "signature" button (it's the fourth from the left) at the end of your post. Monkey with a Gun 03:48, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Alright, if the Midnight Entity is the Master, here's my theory for how it happened, though its a bit weird. First, we need to know who it was who picked up the ring. That will probably be revealed in End of Time. If it fell into Donna's hands, then possibly the consciousness inside the ring could have escaped onto Midnight. It said 'It's waited so long'. That could be how it felt to the creature, or it could have escaped the TARDIS during its course to Midnight and arrived anywhere on that planet's timeline. Now, if it was just a consciousness at the time, we still need to find how it could knock, or cast a shadow (though it (the shadow) have been a figment of the mechanic's imagination, caused by pyschic influence, and the knocking could have been actually cooling, but its precision being under the creature's influence. From there, it uses its (unhindered by bodily limits) pyschic abilities to cause the short-lived, but violent events before possessing Sky. Having been through the Time Vortex, and hypnotic abilities being possibly able to (albeit inaccurately) predict the mind patterns of beings, this would have been strengthened through its unprotected time travel, and so it could use this to guess speech patterns in order to mimic. I'm sure we can now easily guess the rest up to the end of Midnight.114.76.162.83 23:34, September 25, 2009 (UTC)


 * I think most of the clues as to who picked up the ring indicate it was Lucy Saxon (the laugh, the nail polish, et cetera). I personally don't really want the Midnight Entity to tie into the Master storyline; I prefer it ambiguous. Monkey with a Gun 04:36, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

Neither do I, that's just my theory on that theory. But I am still dying to know what it was!114.76.162.83 09:51, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

Another theory suggests that Donna picked up the Ring, seeing as Donna wasn't present, she could've been possesed by the Ring and she could've then been the Midnight entity, with no memories when she returns. She could've passed the Master's consciousness into Sky, but that would mean the Master's dead. But they'll find a way around it. Also, I doubt this'll actually happen, seeing as the Xtonic radiation would've killed Donna. Still, if it is true, they'll find a way around it. Bigredrabbit 05:28, October 4, 2009 (UTC)

It is possible seeing as Donna didn't play a very big part in it, that Donna is sometimes (when the doctor isn't around) controlled by the master and he uses his powers of telepathy and starts influencing the events on the bus, slowly taking people over. Saxon 3 15:56, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

Maybe the Midnight Entity could be the Trickster 91.106.52.18 17:01, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

No, The Trickster is Sarah Janes enemy, otherwise all the attention would be on The Doctor.

the trickster is also in some ways the doctors enemy, The trickster for some reason wanted to remove the Doctor from time. Remember Turn left? 91.106.52.18 19:16, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

The Trickster wanted to remove The Doctor from time because it would cause chaos. But thinking about it - if the doctor was removed from time the time lords and daleks would never have died.Saxon 3 19:41, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

I'm curious as to why nobody has mentioned the Black Guardian. He would likely be one of the highest order of the Pantheon of Discord, not to mention we see him talking with Turlogh through a crystalline gem. He has been wanting the Doctor dead since 'The Armageddon Factor' though he can not act directly in the affairs of ephemirals. We also hear the Trickster comment on the Doctor possessing the Key to Time; I wonder if that's a bone for the old school fans.

Maybe the Black Guardian, The Midnight Entity and the trickster are the same character 91.106.52.18 21:31, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

Finally people are starting to acknowledge the Black Guardian. I've been saying this ages ago. Its definetly the Black Guardian or it could be a tie in to lead to the Black Guardian. RTD has brought back every main villain from the old series. Daleks, Cybermen, The Master, and Davros. The only two left are The Black Guardian and the Rani so with this in mind and with RTD leaving could he want to bring them back before he leaves to complete his quest??? Michael Downey 11:54, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

Right, just to get things clear. It is obvious (and been stated) that the old series stories have nothing to do with the new series. There have been no references to the black guardian, the trickster is not the midnight entity and has nothing to do with the doctor who xmas specials. Neither does the minight entity, there is no evidence to suggest it. The villain for the last specials is the master - if you include stuff like the black guardian and the trickster and the midnight entity you make it overcomplicated. Since the last 2 specials dont just occur on earth, it is possible that some previous time lords are coming back. Saxon 3 12:03, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

Has it been confirmed that the main villain will be the master?? No RTD has stated that most of the characters appear through flashbacks because the doctor is coming to the end of his life, how do we not not know the master and Lucy are apart of his dreams/nightmares ? PS Bit of a coincidence that the knocking in the waters of the mars sounds EXACTLY like the knocking in Midnight. Michael Downey 12:20, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

Yes it has been confirmed by Dvid Tennant, Julie Gardener, John Simm himself and various other poeple. Plus it's says so on BBC's Doctor Who website. And yes SOME people will be in PREMONITIONS including Ood Sigma. Also The Master's return has also been confirmed by David Harewood who plays Joshua Naismith. Asfor the knocking in waters of mars and midnight, Yes it is a COINCIDENCE. Stop over complicating things.

Actually no it's not a coincidence - becuase THE DOCTOR knocked four times to see if the entity replied and The entity just COPIED him. So NO THE MIDNIGHT ENTITY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH EITHER THE MASTER OR ANY OF THE OTHER CHRISTMAS SPECIALS OR WATERS OF MARS. FULL STOP Saxon 3 12:08, November 8, 2009 (UTC)

I am another user and i believed that the MIDNIGHT ENTITY is the BEAST. The beast( a very powerful being)could have survived the blast from the rocket and the midnight entity said he needed a body and that he had been waiting a long time. so maybee...

the candidates for the real identity for he Midnight Entity are either the Master, the Trickster or the Black Guardian 91.104.46.173 07:45, November 10, 2009 (UTC)

The Midnight Monster has nothing to do with either the Black Guardian, the Master or Trickster. Timothy Dalton is the villain in the End of Time. He will knock four times, and it is Gallifrey that is returning through the dark. Matt Smith will be set up with a clean slate.

maybe the Timothy Dalton character is the Black Guardian. 91.104.46.173 07:19, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

Oh yes, that explains why he is dressed up as a timelord.Saxon 3 15:44, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

O.K Sarcastic they where only speculating lol Michael Downey 15:58, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

I think it is very likely that the Midnight Entity was a creature that evolved on Midnight, attacked the Doctor in Midnight and will never be seen again. I'm A Hydroponic Tomato! Bigredrabbit 01:05, November 14, 2009 (UTC)