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Big Finish and overt sexuality
This page currently states "Nothing made by Big Finish Productions or AudioGo contains swearing or overt sexuality or gory sound effects." However there are a couple of exceptions to that general rule, even among their DWU productions. Graceless is adult-level with sex scenes and swearing, and BF's own pages for the stories carry the warning "NOTE: Graceless contains some adult material and is not suitable for younger listeners." The documentary release Benjamin & Baxter carries the same warning due to frank discussions of sexuality. &mdash; Rob T Firefly - &#916;&#8711; - 18:05, May 25, 2014 (UTC)

Drug use in Torchwood
The infobox says TW has no drug use. However, although children are not generally considered to be a drug, surely the 456 using them as such would count as an instance of drug use, just as much as fictional drugs (e.g. emotion patches in DW: Gridlock)? -- Sorceror Nobody ☎  14:39, November 9, 2014 (UTC)

Nudity In Doctor Who
The Time of The Doctor. Enough Said. ŚPASTIC FRIDGE ☎  00:46, January 23, 2015 (UTC) ŚPASTIC FRIDGE 11:45 Friday 1/23/2015 Actually, Jack Harkness was full-on nude in Bad Wolf (TV story). He was with Trine-E and Zu-Zana and they defabricated his clothes. Jack even pulls a laser deluxe from his rear. Doesn't that count?
 * That's not nudity. Compare to Game of Thrones or Sense8. THAT's nudity. Nothing was shown, and it was treated as a gag and the only time we saw Clara and the Doctor nude was when they were covered with holographic clothing. They did film a scene where the two hugged before remembering the Doctor was technically nude, but they cut that. Not the same at all. 68.146.52.234talk to me 23:03, November 30, 2015 (UTC)
 * No, because nothing was shown in those scenes. Nudity means visible genitals, buttocks or breasts. It was only implied nudity and in fact we saw more of Jon Pertwee in Spearhead from Space's shower scene than we did of Jack. Episode 2 of Class, however, has nudity (the coach in the shower), as do the two episodes from Series 4 of Torchwood that have the sex scenes. 23skidoo ☎  19:16, November 1, 2016 (UTC)
 * And Children of Earth, when Jack is revived and when he reunites with the Torchwood team. And Rhys in End of Days. And I think Adam and Tosh in Adam. Definitely Tosh in Greeks Bearing Gifts. Et cetera. Torchwood has a lot of nudity. (Also, I'm pretty sure Bad Wolf does show Jack's buttocks.) 19:46, November 1, 2016 (UTC)
 * I just checked my copy and unless the version on the Region 1 DVD is edited there are no buttocks to be seen in Bad Wolf. (I wasn't disputing Torchwood, though; I just remembered the two episodes with sex scenes). I'm told there's nudity in episode 4 of Class as well and there are partial nudity in the first sex scene of episode 3. 23skidoo ☎  14:42, November 5, 2016 (UTC)

Just a question of tone
Thinking of the similarities between DW and LOTR, it strikes me how much more 'pugilistic' the tone is between the DW-themed Parent Page and the LOTR at http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/LOTR:ParentPage and makes me wonder- is it necessary to be so off-putting? One might think the page goes out of its way to give pause to parents before introducing them to DW. Your point about the hiatus novelizations is quite valid; but there's quite a wide swath of more 'canonical' materials that are, by and large, 'mostly harmless' (with apologies to Douglas Adams fans). Would a 'yes, but' tone work better here than a 'we don't serve their kind here' Star Warscantina-bartender prohibition you open up with? Under normal circumstances, I'd think navigating pre-teens safely around DW would be more like getting Bilbo to Rivendell, than bringing Frodo to Mount Doom.... Bhcarlibrary ☎  19:00, March 6, 2015 (UTC)


 * Can you be more specific in your claim of "pugilistic"? I've looked at both the LOTR page and our page, and, really, they're too different to compare, in my opinion. Our page tries to give useful information to parents on every aspect of the published/released DWU. In addition, it strives to make quite clear that this site is not completely child-safe or child-friendly, and parents must be cautious. If you have any specific complaints, I'd like to hear them, and so would the admins who wrote this page. Thanks. Shambala108 ☎  19:45, March 6, 2015 (UTC)

Bong reference
I don't recall any occasion in any media that I have seen where the Doctor has ever looked for a bong or anything of that nature. Unless this actually happened in a story or novel that I missed then I stand corrected. Otherwise it's a poor example to use. 68.146.52.234talk to me 23:04, November 30, 2015 (UTC)
 * Clicking the word bong in that example (or, indeed, this sentence) brings up the relevant article of this wiki, which explains its appearance in the Doctor Who universe. &mdash; Rob T Firefly - &#916;&#8711; - 05:43, December 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * The link wasn't visible when I checked, and I see now that it is referenced in an obscure novella, so I stand officially corrected. 68.146.52.234talk to me 23:03, January 20, 2016 (UTC)

Other media section
I wonder if a more direct Who-related example can be given rather than the Thick of It interview clip. I mean, we could include discussion about how not everything the cast have done is as family friendly as Who. For example, Billie Piper in Secret Diary of a Call Girl, Freema Agyeman in Sense8 and Jenna Coleman in Room at the Top. But I would assume that at some point common sense has to enter into it as that could apply to 99% of the actors on the show, really. I think a better clip to use would be the GQ Television Personality of the Year Awards clip from 2014 when Capaldi won. The award was presented to him by Jenna Coleman, who uses some salty language (quoting Malcolm Tucker) in her presentation, and then Capaldi in his acceptance speech tosses in a well known Malcolm quote. This was well after he'd taken the role of the Doctor so it's the type of clip an unwary parent might stumble upon considering most (all) other Peter and Jenna clips on YouTube are family-friendly. The clip in question is here if anyone wants to swap it out. 68.146.52.234talk to me 23:08, January 20, 2016 (UTC)

Class
After how many episodes of Class will the show be added to the parent page? --162.201.117.199talk to me 18:28, October 23, 2016 (UTC)
 * Yeah, although there may be spoiler concerns I already anecdotally know of people who continued to tune in after the first episode had the Doctor in it only to encounter the gory violence of Episode 2 and the sexual content of episode 3. There should be something put up, I think. There is a misconception that "Young Adult" means "suitable for kids" when in fact YA means the same as R-rated or TV-MA, just with teenagers involved. 23skidoo ☎  19:02, November 1, 2016 (UTC)
 * What's the highest rating Class has received so far? I agree it should be added; it's already started airing, so it's not a spoiler to talk about it. 19:07, November 1, 2016 (UTC)
 * It's apparently carrying a 15 in the UK which in the US would be TV-MA. It airs as 14 in Canada which is too low a rating; it should be 18, but Canada has had "ratings creep" of late giving teen- and family-friendly ratings to more and more sexually explicit shows. One thing to watch is whether or not the BBC America broadcasts are edited to remove the sex scenes; although BBCA does not usually shy away from such content with adult characters, my understanding is the Class characters are all under 18 so they might be running into broadcast rules if they try to air the sex scenes so far featured in episodes 3 and 4. And all this of course is separate from the violence; the skinning scenes in episode 2 alone should push the show to a high rating however if it's just a one-off (we don't know if the rest of the season will have anything approaching that level of gore) it might not. Something to also watch for is Series 1 is supposed to be released to DVD in the UK soon after the season ends; there were media reports in the summer that the BBC required the removal of additional sex scenes in order to allow the Doctor to appear in episode 1; if the DVDs are released unedited then there may be further ratings to consider. 23skidoo ☎  14:47, November 5, 2016 (UTC)

Edited scenes
The idea of the series comparison charts is a good one, but there's one point missing and that is sometimes the DVD release of a show differs from what is broadcast. The only example I am aware of pertaining to DWU related to "Adult content" is Torchwood Miracle Day. The episode with the two sex scenes (Jack and a guy, Rex and a woman) was edited for BBC broadcast, was uncut on Starz and Space in North America, and uncut in the DVD release in the UK. So someone who watched Miracle Day on the BBC and then goes into the DVD might be in for a surprise. There is potential for this to be the case with Class as there was a UK Media report that episodes had to be trimmed for sex and violence in order for the BBC to allow the Doctor to appear; there's been no word whether or not the DVD will be unedited (assuming the media report was true). As mentioned above, it also remains to be seen if the BBC America broadcast differs from what BBC Three and the DVD has. But at the very least maybe a footnote for Torchwood might be in order. Anecdotally I know of one friend in the UK who was taken off-guard by the fact what he saw on BBC One did not match what he later viewed on DVD. 136.159.160.3talk to me 21:15, January 6, 2017 (UTC)

Prose
Prose section should be updated to include the Class novels. I haven't read any of them myself but reviews I've seen give mixed impression as to whether they reflect the adult content of the TV show or not. 136.159.160.3talk to me 21:18, January 6, 2017 (UTC)