User:SOTO/Forum Archive/The Panopticon/@comment-6032121-20190914173756/@comment-6032121-20190917111916

User:SOTO/Forum Archive/The Panopticon/@comment-6032121-20190914173756/@comment-6032121-20190917111916 AHistory isn't a valid source either way. And I'm not sure what exactly, if anything, you're comparing to the Japetus-Kaldor situation.