User:SOTO/Forum Archive/The Panopticon/@comment-7302713-20130404114052/@comment-7302713-20130405155122

Me too. I never want to see the whole River Song story. Because really, that's the only way it ends. Seeing everything. Though they have closed it off a lot with the whole seeing things front to back. That's very annoying and does not make any sense at all.

Has it ever mattered what order the Master and the Doctor met in? For that matter, do we have any reason (beside their both being Time Lords) to think that they don't meet in the right order?

The first time that River meets the Doctor she finds out that he is this enormous part of her future. The first time the Doctor meets River he finds out that she is an enormous part of his future. From the get go they are both keenly aware that they are not meeting in the right order, and that they have to be careful. Every time they meet they start by checking which version they are meeting.

She looked at him and said that it must be the early days for him. It makes sense jumping from one doctor to another. Asking about Asgard, then asking about the Byzantium. But before she asked him about Asgard she noted that it was early days for him. It she'd done Asgard with the 10th, then he wouldn't have let on what he knew. He never lets on about the Library. But when she asked him questions to figure out who he was she'd have known that he wasn't the man she did the Byzantium with. If we discount everything that River has told us about her timeline, then maybe it makes sense. Maybe she has lots of adventures with the 12th Doctor and the 13th Doctor and the 14th Doctor and they are all out of order. So let's say she's been out having fun with the 17th Doctor. When she comes to the library a lot of Doctor's would look young. But that doesn't match up with the rest of her story. We hear all the time how at a certain point she sees him younger and younger. For her, the last time she sees "her Doctor" is that night at Darillium. And that's the 11th Doctor. For her, the 10th Doctor isn't the Doctor quite yet. What I'm saying is that I can't figure out a way to take everything she says as canon. Sure, we know that she lies, but why would she lie to Rory about constantly seeing a younger and younger Doctor? Why would she ask the Doctor about Asgard or the Byzantium if she knew that he couldn't have done one of them? She lies to keep time from breaking, but that doesn't mesh here. It's asking to much to think that they could get these two timelines perfect. They'd have to plan everything out years in advance and it's just not really possible. It's an error. We can't figure out anything about their timeline or anything else from that short bit because it's a mistake.

Unless someone can figure out how it isn't without disregarding other parts of the story.