Talk:Honeymoon Horrors (short story)

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This page should be called Welcome, traveller, to Sardicktown or A Guide to Sardicktown. The title Honeymoon Horrors from the contents page is for page 22, which has several accounts from Amy/Rory's honeymoon, while this story is on page 20 which is titled A Guide to Sardicktown in the contents. DrWHOCorrieFan ☎  21:21, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
 * As a matter of fact, this page encompasses both. It's always a devil to draw the lines about which story ends where, with books like this. See also the still-unresolved discussion at Talk:The Doctor: His Lives and Times.


 * In this instance, it seems to me that it makes the most sense to lump in the Welcome, traveller, to Sardicktown facsimile as an illustration/addition to the narrative Honeymoon Horrors, just like the Thrasymachus facsimile. All three pages, the Sardicktown brochure, the Rory & Amy letters, and the Thrasymachus brochure, are printed consecutively. They come across as very much one thing, one set of in-universe documents relating to A Christmas Carol that functiona as a narrative about the circumstances of the Ponds' honeymoon. Granted, the Sardicktown flyer gets its own item in the Table of Contents — but compare, if you will, how some of the "features" in The Dalek Outer Space Book got separate listings in the table of contents of that, but are covered as part of the comic stories to which they connect.


 * Despite the ToC oddity, it just doesn't make sense to me to try to carve out one of these documents as its own feature while covering the other two pages as one story, especially as that would probably entail the material from the Sardicktown flyer being treated as for no good reason.


 * As to the name, though — I suppose there is an argument to cover the three-page lump as Welcome, traveller, to Sardicktown (short story), since that's what appears first. Honeymoon Horrors as given in the ToC, though, seemed to be the closest thing to an overall title for this collection of documents, as opposed to being the title of one particular piece of it. Perhaps the extremely cautious thing to do would be Untitled (TBB2012 short story)…?… That's rather cumbersome, but if there is sentiment in favour of it, we could go with that. Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 21:31, 8 September 2022 (UTC)


 * I think they should absolutely be separate as they are on the contents page. DrWHOCorrieFan ☎  21:47, 8 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Not necessarily. They all make up part of a whole, as @Scrooge MacDuck has previously said, and while it is odd that Welcome traveller... is listed separately on the table of contents, frankly, the organisation of The Brilliant Book 2012 is all over the place. Titles are massively inconsistent, some things don't even get listed, and in this instance, I think it is clear that the two "brochures" and epistolary narrative are meant to be one, regardless of the title page, as, like I've just said, it's all over the place.


 * Furthermore, this is in line with precedent, as @Scrooge MacDuck has provided examples of this, and it would be in our best interests to keep this precedent going, considering the alternative would be to separate the Sardicktown brochure to an invalid source and also drastically alter a large project I'm working on, which would make it much harder to cover. 📯 📂 00:22, 9 September 2022 (UTC)


 * How do they make up a whole? The only connection that they have is that they are about the same television story. Honeymoon Horrors isn't even for the most part a brochure, it is documents from Amy and Rory. DrWHOCorrieFan ☎  00:37, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

They make up a whole, easily. You've got: brochure, epistolary story, brochure. A narrative sandwich. The narrative depicts their honeymoon, and the brochures are essentially accompanying illustrations to that narrative. And at no point did I say that Honeymoon Horrors was primarily a brochure. :) 📯 📂 00:45, 9 September 2022 (UTC)


 * That just isn't true.


 * The first brochure is clearly presented as a standalone story and is separated from the other two by a full-page poster. Meanwhile, the other two are presented as a pair focusing on Amy and Rory's honeymoon/the Thrasymachus and... don't even mention Sardicktown once! There is literally no crossover between the two stories whatsoever and to label them as a "package" is baffling to me. The contents list them individually and that is the way it reads; I don't understand how you could see it any other way. DrWHOCorrieFan ☎  00:56, 9 September 2022 (UTC)