User talk:MyTomriddle

Enemy
Hey. I appreciate that you're trying to help, but please stop changing the |main_enemy= field willy-nilly. You can spot one or two mistakes, sure, but if you keep thinking there's something wrong with dozens of pages' |main_enemy= fields, you might want to consider the possibility that you, a new user, don't have a correct understanding of how we define the idea of a story's "Main enemy" on this Wiki. Scrooge MacDuck ☎  16:51, 24 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi, I appologise. As a massive Dr Who fan I just like to make sure everything is correct and there are a few episodes all for "Main enemy" sections that I feel are not correct. Like for 'The End of Time' page it states that Rassilon is the main enemy however you could argue that The Master is also the main enemy. User:MyTomriddle  ☎  17:51, 24 February 2021 (UTC)


 * You could argue that. You would be wrong. Given that the story is quite explicit that Rassilon is the person that caused the Master to go crazy in the first place. Especially if someone reverts your edit as a new user it's best to just assume you were mistaken. Najawin ☎  17:56, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

I know that I am not wrong though and you do know there is more than 1 enemy in a story. I'm not trying to be rude or anything I am just stating my thoughts about this. User:MyTomriddle ☎  18:07, 24 February 2021 (UTC)


 * The field is for the Main Enemy. Indeed, you're aware of this.
 * Missy is the main antagonist in this episode, which makes the Cybermen lesser as they obey Missy
 * Is one of your edit summaries. (Which, interestingly, blatantly contradicts your edit for Revelation of the Daleks. Noting here that Death in Heaven is one of your edits that people didn't revert, might this suggest that other people actually do understand some underlying policy that you don't, and you're just editing things off of feel?) The problems of the story lead back to Rassilon, who is also present as a force within the narrative as an enemy to be opposed. Rassilon is the Main Enemy. Najawin ☎  18:17, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

I think that the whole 'Main enemy' section is confusing for me. As sometimes I find it hard to point out the main villain is in the story if it has more than one villain. Sometimes it's easy like for Death in Heaven and Planet of Fire for example. But for other episodes like The End of Time and Doomsday it's harder. I'm sure you can understand that and fully appreciate it. Again, I apolagise. User:MyTomriddle ☎  18:24, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Advice on "Main enemy"
Hello, User:MyTomriddle. Apologies for taking so long to get in touch with you, but I've recently started a full-time job that has severely limited my ability to properly contribute to the wiki. Now down to business, I was going to message you something shorter, but then I noticed the previous message, and wanted to offer some advice that could be of use in growing your editing skills when it comes to main enemies.

I also like main antagonists and singling them out, every since I first visited the Ben 10 Wiki and saw they had a category just for their "Big Bads". I even add the same category to other wikis on shows I follow, and, especially when it comes to TARDIS Wiki stories, I like to use TV Tropes to find the best way to determine who can be classed as the "Main enemy" of any given story.


 * Big Bad: Pretty straight forward, the is the unchallenged villain of the story. Sometimes their the singular antagonist the main character's are in opposition to, other times they are the leader of a group that answers to them with no agency or sense of betrayal present; everything bad that happens in the story can be traced back to them in someway. Take Dalek Sec in Domsday; the Cybermen are quickly overshadowed as a threat by the Daleks, and the Doctor even teams up with them once they realise the Daleks are a mutual enemy, and the rest of the Cult of Skaro follow Sec's lead. Sec's mission is to open the Genesis Ark, and, once it is opened, he starts ordering the Daleks in their attack, showcasing his authority over them. As such, Sec can be seen as the Big Bad of Doomsday. Meanwhile, in Evolution of the Daleks, Sec starts rejecting the Dalek way, leading to Dalek Caan beginning a mutiny and taking charge. As such, Caan usurps Sec as the main enemy by virtue of being the Dalek in charge and as the one who initiated the mutiny as early as Daleks in Manhattan.


 * Big Bad Duumvirate: In cases like this, where two enemies hold equal threat and are treated as such, then two main enemies can co-exist. For example, in The Stolen Earth and Journey's End, the New Dalek Empire has a Supreme Dalek acting as the "Power" behind them, while Davros acts as their "Face", being the one to do all the confronting while the Supreme issues the orders to attack. And, while Davros is clearly subservient in the grand scheme, his interaction with the Doctor is just as crippling on a psychological level as the Dalek Supreme orchestrates the destruction of the reality, with that plan ultimately being traced back to Davros. As such, both act as Main Antagonists due to their positions in the Dalek hierarchy and in how the story treats them.


 * Big Bad Ensemble: This one is a bit trickier, as it can be hard to single out one antagonist in a crowd. The best way to overcome this conundrum is to use The Five Doctors; the 20th anniversary special has a plethora of enemies, each acting in their own agenda, but all the trouble in the story can be traced back to Borusa. It is he who brings everyone into the Death Zone, thus making him guilty by association for their crimes, and the story ends with his defeat, thus solidifying him as the main enemy. With this line of thought, we can look at the Reconnaissance Dalek and Revolution of the Daleks; all the Daleks that appear in that story are linked to the Reconnaissance scout in one way or another, with the Defence Drones being created and controlled by him, and the Death Squad Daleks only entering the picture due to the actions of the Reconnaissance scout. And, even though the Reconnaissance scout is killed and the threat goes on, this makes the Death Squad more of a "Final Boss" than a true Big Bad, due to them not causing any damage outside of Reconnaissance scout's story, meaning he is still responsible for the final threat.


 * Greater-Scope Villain: These enemies are ultimately responsible for the threat of the story, but play such a minor part that they simply can't qualify for "Main enemy" status. Take The Sontaran Experiment, where Styre is working under a Sontaran Marshall, but the Marshall only appears on a computer screen while Styre does all the work, including being the one to psychically fight the Doctor and get a comeuppance, thus making him the bigger enemy for the Doctor in the story.

Apologies if that was a bit of a long read, I just wanted to get it all written down at once due to my busy schedule, and to help you become the best editor you could be. Feel free to message me back if you have any questions, and I'll be sure to answer them as soon as possible.

Sincerely, BananaClownMan 00:09, 27 February 2021 (UTC)