User:SOTO/Forum Archive/Inclusion debates/@comment-1272640-20161223201024/@comment-188432-20161228103354

Well, I gotta admit -- I'm confused what the point of the thread is. In your original post, you say, So, here's my proposal:

1. "Ninth Doctor (Scream of the Shalka)" will be renamed "The Doctor (Scream of the Shalka)".

2. Said incarnation will be treated similarly to other "unnumbered Doctors" - I'm unambiguously opposed to point 1. He is a "Ninth Doctor". DWM 336 is the clearest contemporaneous source for that, and our local naming conventions therefore require Ninth Doctor (Scream of the Shalka) to be his name. Point 2 therefore is moot.

So the original ambition of the thread has failed, I think.

As for treating the Shalka and Series 1 somehow equally, I'm not sure how you could. As I mentioned earlier, Lorraine Heggessey did a serious Shalka smackdown. There is no reasonable way to interpret that September 2003 announcement of Series 1, when Shalka is still in some stage of production, as anything other than one department "winning" Doctor Who, and the other one "losing" it.