Howling:Cybermen upgraded

I was just wondering about the cybus cybermen. Steven Moffat seeems to be content to make a new era of doctor who. Which is fine absolutely, new companions new Daleks [a real point about it being new Daleks] seemingly a new timeline to play with. So here is my question do you think we are gonna get a new type of cybermen. From what I have heard from the people I know personally the cybusmen are not popular. I personally didn't mind them but alot of people do think that they give the cybermen a bad name becaues they are so weak compared to the other baddies. Some have suggested the original cybermen will return. Personally I would love to see this, again not that I hate the cybusmen but the originals were cooler and more badass. I don't think though that they will do this I dont know why but I just can't see the cybusmen being totally written out of the new who. I think instead the cybusmen might just upgrade themselves into more powerful form. Maybe they will take something leftover from the original cybermen and mix into themselves. Though I suppose thats just victory of the daleks again, LOL they will probably need a testimony. Still let me know what you think, do you think we will get new uprgraded cybusmen.or the much cooler classic cybermen back. Either way I think it will be the last we see of RTD type cybusmen, something will happen I wager that will just make them different to give Moffat a new slate. User:Winehousefan, 15:48, June 8, 2010 [UTC

I reckon we'll get the old cybermen back by the end of this season, but not before the cybusmen are completely destroyed. I mean, there are only so many times the cybusmen can brake through to our world without it getting boring, like the daleks keep escaping the time war over and over (I'm surprised there were any daleks who died in the time war considering the number who escaped!) Lu-igi board

Yeah I know what you mean all these millions of Daleks got free from the war but only two time lords why do the daleks always survive but the time lords dont. I agree the cybusmen breaking through into our world is definetly going to end this season, like moffat ended the time war thing for the daleks, hopefully after victory of the daleks the daleks will just rebuild and it will be like the pre rememberance days when they are not wiped out. Though as I said before I am not sure if it will be the cybusmen getting blown up or changed and permantly staying in our universe so Moffat dosent have to keep referencing past stories. Winehousefan, 17:20 June 8, [UTC]

In the Adventure Games, there appears to be a new kind of Cyberman without the C-Logo on the chest. Taht could be it. --the twelfth doctor 17:20, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

Is it possible the two types of Cyberman meet and form a new race of Cybermen?--Samoth 18:26, June 8, 2010 (UTC

moffat needs to bring back the original cybermen, personaly i hate the cybusmen and much prefer the originals, i think that they are way more scary( i would much rather be chased by a cybusman than a mondasian cyberman),and there back story is alot better. something needs to be done they were one of the worst parts of the RTD era. the cracks are the best way to do this, which as it looks moffat is doing, we have the old pure dalek race back give us the classic Cybermen, maybe even mondas 79.64.149.226 22:12, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

I agree that the mondasian cybermens backstory was way better than the cybusmen, the cybermen did have some genuinly frightining moments in doctor who "you shall be like us" yeeeesh that creeped me out. The only thing is the cybusmens backstory is obviously more familiar to new viewers. Though having had time to think I have noticied that steven moffat does seem to want to put an end to the seperation between new and old who. He has not only said this in interviews but if you just watch his stories, more reference to old who than many RTD stories. First story image of all ten doctors. Pictures of the first doctor a couple of times in other episodes and one of the second doctor, the original Daleks come back. So he might actually bring the cybermen back. I am actually beginning to change my mind about them coming back now I think there is a good chance that even if they are not back in the final they may still come back another way in Moffats attempts to link old and new who. As has been pointed out in the new game one dosent have the C on his chest and looks different could be an old cyberman, though it would be wierd to bring them back in a game first. Winehousefan, 23:44, June 8, 2010 [UTC]


 * Actually, the backstory for the original Cybermen wasn't that great, mainly because every time Kit Pedler wrote a story he completely rewrote their history (the Daleks only got this once, in Genesis), and he seemed to be unable to resist throwing in more very bad astrophysics every time. Look at how much work David Banks had to put in to try to create a consistent history in REF: Doctor Who: Cybermen, or just look at the chart.


 * And, going along with all this inconsistency, sometimes they were much scarier than the Cybusmen, but sometimes they were pretty pathetic. A good writer could write a great, scary story with either Cybermen, and a bad writer couldn't do it with either one.


 * All that being said, I still agree that I'd like to see the end of the Cybusmen, just because the whole conceit of finding yet another way to bring them back after they'd been wiped out completely is as annoying for them as it was for the RTDaleks.


 * The obvious way to do that is to not wipe out the last batch of Cybusmen, but instead exile them. While traveling around, they discover a Telos-style tomb, reactivate the classic Cybermen, and share their technology. Each race is technologically superior to the other in some ways, so why not take the best of both? No more easily-disabled chip to block emotions like the Cybusmen; no more death by a sprinkling of gold dust like (some of) the classics; they can be really loud and imposing while marching, but they can also sneak around quietly when they're not trying to intimidate; etc. Even if the Cybusmen and tomb Cybermen don't upgrade themselves, and instead just use the new technology only for new conversions, the originals of both types would soon be a vanishingly small minority within the overall Cybermen race. --Falcotron 23:26, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

i do agree that the finding of a tomb is the best way to go in bringing the cybermen back. when i think about it since the series started up again with the RTD era, we have seen too much of enemies that were considered dead coming back through the void or falling through time and rebuilding their civilization, its starting to become old news. if the cracks dont erase tyhe cybusmen then they should find a cybertomb and either upgrade each other or be destroyed in a cyberwar. Moffat prbably has thought of al of these, i think we can trust him to do the right thing. but wither way a total redesign of the current cybusmen is needed 217.23.232.194 08:07, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

I was more talking about spare parts than what we see in the original series. But I totally agree that would be great to have the cybusmen find some telosian cybermen. the two should join and that would be that a new super breed of cybermen better than anything we've seen before. That would also in my opinion help they cybusmen feel more like cybermen. Alot of people I know were going on about how come it is just these other universe cybermen they are not the real cybermen. Its not like they even come from a parralel mondas, though earth is mondas's twin planet. This though would provide a better link between them and we would have new cybermen for a new doctor. Winehousefan: 09:44, June 9 2010 [UTC]