Talk:Clara Oswin Oswald

Reordering of Clara page
I believe a reordering of the article is needed now after the reveals in "The Name of the Doctor". Since we have found out that the Clara currently with the Doctor is the original Clara who from all the other Clara's come from, as sort of copies throughout time, the article should begin with her birth and onwards. The other Claras should be either placed after or in a section known as alternate Claras. Does anyone agree with me on this? --BorgKnight ☎  04:02, May 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes. Also, this now needs to be renamed. Her name is, according to her "just Clara Oswald". Oswin is a username she comes up with that then becomes the first name of one of her echoes. But it's an alias and an alternate name, not her proper name. Anoted ☎  04:16, May 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * Oswin is her middle name, it was never stated to not be the case, when you tell someone your name it is very common to leave the middle name out, meanwhile some people (like Dalek asylum Clara) use their middle name in place of their proper first name. - The Light6 ☎  04:47, May 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * She specifically stated that Oswin was not her middle name.
 * DOCTOR: Clara. Clara Oswald.
 * CLARA: Hello.
 * DOCTOR: Clara Oswin Oswald.
 * CLARA: Just Clara Oswald. What was that middle one?
 * Later in the Bells of Saint John she creates the name oswin.
 * CLARA: Sure. Setting up stuff. Need a user name.
 * DOCTOR: Learning fast.
 * CLARA: Clara Oswald for the win. Oswin!
 * Which is probably where the echo Oswin Oswald got the name from. But no, Oswin is not and never was the proper Clara Oswald's middle name. Anoted ☎  05:05, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

spliting page back up?
Now that we know who Clara is, can we split this page back up? The same way that we do Rory Williams and Rory Williams (Auton)? Anoted ☎  04:21, May 19, 2013 (UTC)


 * The difference though is that we have been shown so many alternate Claras, should we do a page for each or reference them in the same article. I would say it would be better to keep it all in one article. Maybe only split off the Victorian Clara and the Oswin Clara as there is a fair amount of information about them --BorgKnight ☎  04:30, May 19, 2013 (UTC)


 * Since it has to do with multiple Doctors and facets of Clara, I think ordering it in viewer chronological order makes the most sense. First Oswinn, then Victorian Clara, then Prime Clara, then all the different versions of Clara, with the article returning to Prima Clara after the Doctor finds her again.
 * That sounds really confusing. I don't think the copies should take precedent over the original, just because they were seen first. The copies couldn't have been created without the original. I like the idea of having a separate page for the copies (one page for all the copies?), like we have separate pages for the Martha Jones Clone and the Eleventh Doctor Ganger. Mewiet ☎  04:58, May 19, 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't agree. Prime Clara is the main Clara, the Clara that will continue to currently have adventures with the Doctor so her article will build up. We may learn more about the others but not much information. In other articles, such as River Song, the order is kept in the timeline of the character not as in the viewer chronological order. Prime Clara is the beginning so should be treated as such. The others should be either separated into a section under title alternate Claras or place into their own pages. --BorgKnight ☎  04:57, May 19, 2013 (UTC)


 * (Blah edit conflict)
 * If we there were to be a split it should be something along the lines of "Clara Oswin Oswald" and "Clara Oswin Oswald (duplicates)" or some other disambiguity. That way the duplicate page can start with their creation when the "real" Clara jumped into the Doctor's timestream at Trenzlore and then detail the various incarnations of her caused by that, sure most of the page would end up dedicated to Dalek Clara and Victorian Clara but I don't think that is too large of an issue. Also, given that at least one duplicate lived on Gallifrey, should this page (or if the split occurs, only the duplicate page) have Clara listed as a time lord? - The Light6 ☎  04:47, May 19, 2013 (UTC)


 * First, I think this page should be renamed Clara Oswald, as "Oswin" is definitely not her middle name, it's only the first name and middle name of two separate copies. Secondly, the other "lives" are said to be just that: individual copies, not the original, who each start out as infants and lead their own individual lives. Mewiet ☎  04:52, May 19, 2013 (UTC)


 * (edit conflict)
 * No, you can live on Gallifrey and not be a time-lord. No, this article should not be ordered by viewer chronological order, this is an in-universe biography.
 * We don't know that these other lives start out as entities. They're echoes. An individual echo could last as long as clara's been alive or only a few minutes. She certainly seemed more aware that she was an echo in some situations.
 * But I do agree that victorian clara and asylum oswin need their own articles. So we need a:
 * Clara Oswald - the girl
 * Clara Oswald (echoes) - the entity
 * Clara Oswin Oswald - victorian clara
 * Oswin Oswald - asylum clara
 * Thoughts? Anoted ☎  05:03, May 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * Hm, I do see your point about the lasting of the copies. I was thinking of Victorian Clara and how we saw her as an infant, child, and adult. (Then there was the version wearing the Oswin clothes with Ten in The Library. I'm not sure if there's a conflict or not there, since I don't think we had any kind of timeframe for Alaska.) Mewiet ☎  05:14, May 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * Well we know that the Victorian echo lasted about as long at Clara's life till now. But we haven't seen this with other echoes. Maybe they all have the same span, maybe not. Clara seemed sometimes cognizant of the fact that she was actively looking for the Doctor and that she was falling through time. Maybe she was only aware in specific moments, or in between lives, or maybe some echoes were shorter and she was aware during those. We really don't know. But we do know that Victorian Clara had a proper life from childhood to adulthood, and we know that Asylum Oswin at least thought she had a proper life. The last one is a bit weird though. Vastra talks about him dying at the Asylum in a past without Clara but Clara and her music was the reason that the Doctor was brought to the Asylum. Not sure if that's supposed to be timey-wimey or just the writers throwing time out the window. Of course, I like to think that timey-wimey is the scream that time emits during it's fall out a window. Anoted ☎  05:22, May 19, 2013 (UTC)