Talk:Asylum of the Daleks (TV story)

Time and placement of the Earth bits
Is it explicitly stated what year Amy and Rory are in? I assume that it's post-2013 Christmas, given that Pond Life counted events over several months, which would probably make it 2014 (at least). Also, on a slightly related topic, are Amy and Rory living in London now? I've never been quite clear on whether they're still in Leadworth or not...Memnarc ☎  09:27, September 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * Judging from the architechture, it's definately not Leadworth. It's nowhere near a little village with a duck pond, but can't say where exactly. Possibly London, but could be any large town or city. Geek Mythology ☎  09:40, September 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * I know nothing about divorce papers, but is the address seen aboce Amy's signature her home address or the place where see sends it to? If it her home address, then it is indeed, London. MM/ Want to talk? 12:54, September 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * Added the "set in London" category and "set in 21st century" category (at least until we know a more specific year). Memnarc ☎  23:38, September 2, 2012 (UTC)

"All" Daleks?
I've looked through the episode and tried to spot all different Daleks, but I have not seen the supremes from Journey's End (TV story) and Planet of the Daleks (TV story), are they hidden somewhere? Charlii ☎  19:03, September 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * Just because all Daleks were filmed, doesn't mean all will appear in the final episode, I'm sure there are those that would have not made it through the editing process. Geek Mythology ☎  19:19, September 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * I think those are the less important Daleks... "All Daleks" really means a Dalek from every era. OS25 (talk to me, baby.) 21:46, September 2, 2012 (UTC)

Intensive Care Production Error
As The Doctor proceeds through the "intensive care" section of the Asylum, the Daleks from Spiridon, Kembel, Aridius, Vulcan & Exxilon, who survived The Doctor are seen.

However these are all shown to be dirty RTD Time War Bronze Daleks, with the exception of one classic series Dalek shown The Doctor runs out, should this be listed as a production error that the wrong Daleks were used?

Special Weapons Dalek
Did the Special Weapons Dalek from the 1988 Remembrance of the Daleks appear in Asylum of the Daleks or not?

Signed: Duncs Kinnear-Swift
 * Yes, it did. It's in the area Rory first wakes up in. d ● • ·  20:40, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * Special Weapons Dalek 2012.JPG that's all we got. OS25 (talk to me, baby.) 20:58, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

Cheers guys, that helps a lot

Signed: Duncs Kinnear-Swift: 15th September 2012

Time War
Seeing how there are not only Daleks from the classic series but Daleks who have fought and survied the Doctor I'm assuming that the Asylum was uneffected by the Time War?
 * Considering Skaro itself apparently wasn't time-locked, I would imagine not. d ● • ·  17:33, September 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't say that's necessarily the reason. Amy could've accidentally put the back into reality with Big Bang Two.--ComicBookGoddess ☎  03:08, April 3, 2013 (UTC)

Dalek parliament
concerning the dalek parliament, how come there are bronze and dark red dalek drones, what are the significance between the different types on the parliament. Are the red drones higher up than the brass ones? Sclera1 ☎  11:55, September 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * From what was presented in the story we can't really begin the hazard a guess. It's not as though we they went into whether they follow the Westminster system or anything. We can only wait for more information to be presented. --Tangerineduel / talk 12:14, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

Actually, TD, I can definitively say yes, the dark red ones are higher up: Back in 2010, after receiving a vast degree of negative feedback regarding the 2010 "redesign", Steven Moffat decided to bring back the bronze Daleks as the standard foot soldiers/drones, and make the Paradigm Daleks an "officer class" in charge of them. While it has not been explicitly stated what role the red ones play, my guess is that they'll be the ones commanding the good ol' bronzies on the front lines (sort of like squad commanders)... But that's just speculation. To answer your question, yes, the red ones are higher-ranking than the bronze ones, and that's the way it's going to be. Dr. Anonymous1 ☎  13:59, September 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * To clarify my above statement, which I thought would be obvious given Sclera1's question revolved around an in-universe subject.
 * We will have to wait for a narrative-based source to present information that we can use on the Parliament of the Daleks article or any other article.
 * Dr. Anonymous1's information could of course, if properly sourced go in the behind the scenes section of the Dalek article, though not on the Parliament of the Daleks article as what Dr. Anonymous1 has stated does not specifically relate to their political system. If the word "class" was used that would indicate a class system, as well as a political system. Though until we have more information to frame these statements we can't say for certain. --Tangerineduel / talk 14:53, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

Well, they have had hierarchical systems in the past...

You're right, though: unless they just come out and call the Paradigm Daleks "officers" in an episode, it should go in the "Behind the Scenes" section.. Properly sourced, of course.

Since when did Daleks have a parliament, anyway? I thought they were supposed to be a ruthless, totalitarian empire. Was I the only one who laughed when they said "Prime Minister of the Daleks"?

Dr. Anonymous1 ☎  15:44, September 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * This is supposedly a more civilsed race of them. And yes I laughed too. And somehow they're "More scary than ever" OS25 (talk to me, baby.) 15:54, September 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * It's not out of character for them.
 * They've held at least two trials for Davros which suggests a justice system.
 * There's the opening narration of the TVM "it was on the planet Skaro that my old enemy the Master was finally put on trial, they say he listened calmly as his list of crimes were read and sentence passed." Also suggestive of a justice system and a fairly good one if they're willing to have a trial, read the crimes, pass judgement and let the Doctor pick up the remains. --Tangerineduel / talk 16:25, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

That's true; I mean, every species has to have a judicial system of SOME sort. However, I REALLY don't see them having a Prime Minister; where would the Supreme fit in? Why didn't the writers just USE the Supreme? He's called that for a reason. Or d'you think the DPM is just in charge of judicial affairs? Dr. Anonymous1 ☎  17:33, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

The Daleks have been known to have a "Supreme Council", and there are some sources of a "Dalek Prime" (which i think is between the supreme and emperor- maybe even a point in between them), in War of the Daleks and the Four Doctor's audio Sclera1 ☎  03:59, September 9, 2012 (UTC)

Setting
Does the episode give any clues as to when this episode takes place? What century? It's clearly in our future but I didn't catch any clues. Maybe Moffat said something in an interview that we can put in the Behind the Scenes section? Anyone? SmallerOnTheOutside ☎  01:29, January 14, 2013 (UTC)

This raises a point that may have a bearing on the discussion of Skaro in the intro to this article. If Skaro isn't time locked it can still be destroyed as the Cult if Skaro states and this us the Doctor visiting it pre-destruction.

Oswin as a Dalek
Okay, so if Oswin is a Dalek, chained up in a room, how is she able to broadcast music and communicate with the outside world (since the Dalek Parliament picked up her broadcast)? I'm especially curious about the music which is played and that everyone hears. I'm sure that this is not part of the Dalek DNA left in during the conversion process.

Also the fact that in communication, we heard Oswin's human voice, not the Dalek version. This is both on the spaceship and when the Doctor & Rory talk to Oswin on the planet. Since Oswin had been "converted" and stuffed in the housing of a Dalek, I doubt she'd be able to talk.69.125.134.86talk to me 00:06, April 3, 2013 (UTC)

It's an interesting question, but talk pages are for discussions on how to write the article. If you want to discuss and speculate about the plot of the story, you can do it at Howling:The Howling. Thanks! Shambala108 ☎  00:31, April 3, 2013 (UTC)


 * There's an in-narrative answer, though. Her "voice" doesn't have to have had an acoustic origin, and a voice originating digitally in a complex enough computer controlled system could sound like anything she could imagine - and she's been imagining she's a human barricaded in a room, listening to Bizet. :) --ComicBookGoddess ☎  03:13, April 3, 2013 (UTC)

Reintroduction of Skaro
At least on television, I'm pretty sure that Daleks in Manhattan is the only story that directly says Skaro was destroyed (in the Time War. I'm aware of both Remembrance and War of's retcon of Remembrance). What are the "among others" the lead speaks of? Or is it conflating both the Time War and the Imperial-Renegade civil war?

Also, wasn't the Master collected from Skaro and by extension, tried and executed there, in Doctor Who (TV story)? -- Tybort (talk page) 01:50, September 27, 2013 (UTC)

Dalek Sec?
Who thinks the all black Dalek is really Dalek Sec's shell? It's possible the daleks retrieved it from 1930's New York and put it in the asylum. The Cult of Skaro said stuff along the lines of Dalek Sec has gone mad. The daleks could have put his body back in the shell and it brought barely back to life (since it's essentially a life support machine).

also the promo pic for the episode shows the all black dalek and you can quite clearly see Dalek Sec's identification code.

Yeah, but... Dalek Sec was killed. What would be the point of putting the shell of a dead (Human) Dalek in the Asylum? Even if the Doctor hadn't already gotten rid of it, after defeating the Cult. I don't think he would've left any evidence of the Daleks presence in Manhatten, for fear of mankind getting advance technology or proof of alien life.