Theory talk:Timeline - River Song

The Angels Take Manhattan
The problem with The Angels Take Manhattan is that while it seems easy to place, (she is now pardoned and a professor), it directly contradicts the bit about seeing a younger and younger doctor from the events of the end of Demon's Run on. It's a little hard to excuse this with "River lies" because of River Song: Her Story in which she isn't speaking to anyone and therefore isn't trying to preserve a timeline and prevent spoilers. Both of these things cannot be correct. The Angels Take Manhattan (and therefore the night in Darillium) cannot take place after the events of the Byzantium if from Demon's Run on she sees a younger and younger Doctor. And Angels Take Manhattan is what we use to date the night in Darillium. In Forest of the Dead River says that the last time she saw the real doctor, the proper doctor, the older doctor was in Darillium. And if you take that to mean a Doctor who knows her, loves her and is married to her than the events of Darillium could easily take place before Demon's Run. All of those events (Demon's Run, Lake Silencio, Pandorica, Byzantium) involve a Doctor who isn't married to her and doesn't even know her real identity. The Angels Take Manhattan taking place after Flesh and Stone does however really screw this up. Either River is lying or there are errors in Angels. Anoted ☎  16:16, May 10, 2013 (UTC)

Here's a very easy explanation: River is mistaken. At the point when she claims they're always meeting in the opposite order, she is not lying. That is really how it has happened for her so far, but it's just a coincidence; there isn't a "rule" that says that's how it has to go. 68.227.236.101talk to me 03:23, April 10, 2015 (UTC)

Vortex manipulator
Don't forget to account for River obtaining the vortex manipulator in "The Pandorica Opens". Assuming she hasn't had more than one, this places any episode using the vortex manipulator after that one in her timeline. This includes the second copy of River in "First Night"/"Last Night" and likely the second copy in "A Good Man Goes to War". (I *think* she used the v.m. to get to Demons' Run in that episode.)--Cap&#39;n Calhoun ☎  20:36, January 14, 2014 (UTC)

Another timeline
In a sandbox I have drafted another possible timeline, if you mind giving a look! HarveyWallbanger ☎  17:41, October 10, 2014 (UTC)