User:SOTO/Forum Archive/The Panopticon/@comment-4028641-20170618182814/@comment-24894325-20170618232457

For those who would prefer not to read through this discussion in full, the "not listening part" I was referring to is two-fold: After several iterations, I simply ran out of ways to explain my position.
 * OS25 accused me of wanting to create three different pages for MLK after I clearly said that the page title should be based on RW info;
 * OS25 accused me of proposing to "cull information" from pages, "lie to editors" and "remove information" from pages after I repeatedly explained that the information should be present on pages but relegated to BTS and "Story notes" sections (if supporting DWU evidence is insufficient).

In the quote from CzechOut provided by OS25 upthread, it is stated: "It seems to me that the better approach is to give things their proper name in the STU and then provide a "behind the scenes" note that it wasn't specifically named by the story, but that it is unmistakably that object/person/species."

- CzechOut

That is exactly what I was trying to explain. And I still to this day do not understand where OS25 saw the contradiction between my explanations, the policy formulation, statements of CzechOut and actual pages given by OS25 as examples.

However, as I stated before, I do not want to spend even more time arguing what has been a policy for a long time and what the pages shown by OS25 as counterexamples comply with. Perhaps, other longer-serving admins would be able to explain this policy in better ways than me.

I'm sorry that OS25 disagrees with their understanding of what I was saying. It should be clear from the quotes I provided that they have been misunderstanding me all along. I believe NateBumber perfectly encapsulates the method that has been used all this time: "While I don't think this is as much an issue in the specific case of Martin Luther King, where the mentions are still clearly visible despite being hidden in the BtS"

- NateBumber

I might only add that the speech from The Remembrance of the Daleks that OS25 was advocating for being easily accessible to the editors was not originally on the Martin Luther King page, and I had to add it there Special:Diff/2348121.