User:SOTO/Forum Archive/Inclusion debates/@comment-4028641-20170222073756/@comment-4028641-20170226220356

A big problem here is that we're taking shots in the dark on several levels.

For one, we're presuming that LTBiA is unlicensed. There are mumbling about this being true, but I've never seen any primary sources to suggest this. I've seen plenty of Who sites say this, but I've also seen plenty of Who sites that say there's a Zygon in Attack of the Graske. There isn't.

Some fan sites say "The BBC didn't ask the TN estate and the TN estate was mad." Then there's people who say "The creators of the movie thought the Daleks were public domain." There's also a story floating around about either of the above options nearly causing the TN estate not to let the BBC use the Daleks for the 2005 show. But the actual transcripts suggest a "creative difference" over the Series 1 scripts. And trust me when I say that these are only two or three of the many stories that were floating around about this story when the movie came out.

We're basing our presumptions on what needs to be in the credits off of a movie which we presume is unlicensed, but we don't have real concrete evidence of if it is or not. Maybe it was licensed, and the TN estate not showing up in the credits of films isn't that weird.

I'm not saying either sides are invalid, I'm saying that they're both based in old school forums and speculation.