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EDA Books / Bernice Summerfield Books

 * thanks for doin' it! I think they have programs to bulk-transfer entries from Wikipedia to Wiki's but don't know how that works. that would help. --***Stardizzy*** 14:52, 20 February 2007 (UTC)


 * That would be at special:import, operatable only by admins. 16:23, 22 February 2007 (UTC)


 * As I've said, I'll work though it, doing it from scratch, the wikipedia pages aren't in the same format or have the same sorta idea as the TARDISwiki, so I'm not sure it would help...though being an admin would...but it matters not in any case. --Tangerineduel 13:36, 18 April 2007 (UTC)


 * if you get Administrator priveliges you can use the Special:Import page to import entries from Wikipedia. I think/hope that includes the pictuers. of course, for all I know, you already have Admin. priveliges. I had brought this up in the Forum before but no one responded, so I didn't know if you knew. also, I forgot to sign my name, but I made the comments on numbering the seasons, below. --***Stardizzy*** 14:27, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

I have begun the Benny New Adventures (and it's just as easy to start from scratch then trying to reformat and rewrite from wikipedia. (haven't really begun...but Oh No It Isn't! has an rejigged info box for other novels (no Doctor position and 'Companions' has been changed to 'Featuring' more in line with the Benny range I think). --Tangerineduel 07:29, 8 March 2007 (UTC)


 * why thank you. I guess when you import the entry, the image doesn't also import automatically, unfortunatley? --***Stardizzy*** 11:17, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Novelisations

 * agree with you on novelisations versus novelizations, though I never noticed the difference in spelling until you mentioned it. --***Stardizzy*** 14:47, 20 February 2007 (UTC)


 * update: I have retitled some of the entries accordingly. also, created a Novelisations category. --***Stardizzy*** 14:21, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Well done!
You've managed to complete all the EDAs! Now just the MAs, NAs, NDAs, and don't forget the TDAs! And once you've done the novels, there's the BFAs, BFBSs, the DWMs... 14:07, 25 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh, I fogot the PDAs and TWNs... :) 14:11, 25 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Don't listen! Slack off instead! Azes13 14:11, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

I will...at some point soon be starting the Bernice Summerfield (Virgin) New Adventures. Haven't read all the MAs (haven't got most of them), same with the PDAs, so someone else can have that job. All the NAs are done (I think), but I may go through and clean them up / add to them.

I'll consider the Big Finish Audios...maybe.

I'm sure there's enough interest in the New Series for someone to do the NDAs and TDAs. --Tangerineduel 14:49, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Made of Steel
Thanks for the help with the formatting for the Made of Steel page, having spent a year using a different system on Memory Beta for a year, I slipped into using that system. I tried looking at the Manual of Style but couldn't find a section for novels, but now I know what format to use. Thanks again (-: --Vote Saxon 15:42, 1 May 2007 (UTC)


 * There isn't one (I don't think) in the Manual of Style...I may have to fix that. It's my mission to fix all the novels (all the EDAs conform to the manual of style...as I wrote most of them. --Tangerineduel 15:46, 1 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Correction there wasn't one, there is now. (See Format for Novels) --Tangerineduel 16:08, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Comic Strip Pages
Hi again. Sorry its a bit of a long one this time! The dialogues good and useful. Hope the niggles are becoming less. Not sure about your comments re: minor edits. Obviously for a new page I wouldn't tick them, but do you want me to continue ticking them for minor changes, tidying up, spelling and links or not? Now I've got the links to start adding content to the individual comic strip pages ,I would appreciate your thoughts on my ideas for the 'comic strip pages templates' and maybe agree a layout early on. I fully appreciate that as new sections of the wiki grow its largely make it up as you go along, so I'd like to offer my input.

Under contents could you add; As sub-categories of 'References'
 * '3.1 First Appearance'
 * '3.2 Reprints'

Under 'First Appearance' I would like to include; (Part Number) / (Source) / (Page Count) / (Closing Caption) Note: the 'Closing Caption', often in early strips, gave the following strip some sort of a title, and acted as a significant teaser in others.

The above additions to content would dispense with the need in the infobox for the headings; 'Published in' 'Publication' 'Publication Date' as these are only really relevant to original publication and create a problem with including reformatted reprints / colouring. 'Format' could also be changed to 'Original Format' indicating whether it was B&W or colour

Also in the infobox do you need the 'Story' box (see below notes on continuity)?

Along with 'Author' (probably better referred to as 'Scripter' or 'Scripted by') and 'Artist'; should be 'Colourist' and 'Lettered'/'Lettering by'. As these are specialised aspects of modern comic strips (that may formally have been carried out by the above) but are valuable contributions that I feel should be credited where given.

The 'Editor' of the publication (and ultimately the comic strip), through commission, dictate, direction and content/feel of the comic strip is a significant name that has been ommitted from the infobox and, while it is tied to publication details is still equally valid as a credit for individual strip stories that could be included.

I also feel that the 'Previous Story' and 'Following Story' boxes could be removed as they are only really applicable to an ongoing sequential storyline within a particular publication title. Unless someone is prepared to decide on a chronology for ALL comic strip adventures without placing the more wackier ones especially specials somewhere on there own!

With the comic strips now begining to shape up, and each individual title having its own link, I'm still not sure of the best way to link the pages to another strip entry without having to go back and select another title from the 'X Doctor Comic Strip Stories' in the infobox. May be enough. (Selecting Categories at the bottom might seems awkward as it grows, for quick viewing) The Librarian 14:33, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
 * PS DWMS is so much better - look out for pictures soon!
 * While on abbreviations could you add DWPM Doctor Who Poster Magazine


 * Read your comments, thanks. I have been checking up most of your references and they have helped. No I don't intend a page per 'episode' of strip (that would be silly!) but one for each self contained story. I admit the 'Its Bigger on the Inside' slipped in (I just wanted to get the image on and out of the way as it will link to DWM pages featuring the 'Doctor Who?' cartoon strip in the magazine and I will pad it out.
 * I'll do some comic strip pages soon, let me know if I could do better. I love constructive criticism!!
 * Still not sure about the 'Series' line and I might leave it to someone else to fill in some of the infobox bits for next and previous (might get round to it on re-edits).
 * Regarding the minor edits, its usually that when I'm working away, I save a new page, then go back to it to tidy it up etc. so for me it is a minor edit, but I accept your point. And yes I have gone in at the deep end, but I think I'm keeping my head above water. Sleep well! The Librarian 19:08, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi, played about with a comic strip entry,'Return of the Daleks (Comic Strip Story)' I had to specify so as not to link to the Audio release. Could you please have a look if you get a moment and help me with; On a side note, would you suggest I link the characters in the list or simply put a comment in after their name as I can't think there would be much more to add (exceptions of course to include 'reoccuring' characters)? Once this is sorted I should be ok to fill the pages I've now set up, which should keep me quiet for a while. Do I hear a deep sigh of relief?! Thanks again The Librarian 20:13, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) in the infobox I couldn't get a series link
 * 2) I also had some problems inputting 'setting'. The edit showed it as something else and wouldn't accept the planet.
 * 3) I couldn't get the hang of categories at the bottom. I wanted a link to Back-up Comic Strip Stories' but again no joy.


 * I'll start with the easiest, where it says setting in the infobox doesn't correspond to setting when you actually edit (it's just one of those things which hasn't been changed...and if its changed now it would be a lot more things to go back and redit), you should see when you see the finalised page it would have (when you see the  in the infobox it means you're missing something in the edit stage, the word within the {{ is what you need to put in. In this case for setting it needs to be  year= ', I've fixed that for you.


 * Also just on a side note, when writing headings and everything such as Comic Strips or Closing Captions, it's more tidy to have the S or not the S rather than a / between. (I may be being slightly picky on this one so feel free to ignore me as I'll probably fix it anyway when I have nothing to do).


 * As for the series link, I've changed it from "Doctor Who Comic Strip Stories", which is basically a repeat of the first half of the setting box (plus there isn't a page, and there really isn't a nessesicty for one), I've changed it to link to the Back-up Comic Strip Stories page (as that's what this comic strip is part of.
 * Now the above point leads onto the final point, the reason the category link shows up red is specifically that, there isn't a category for the back-up comicstrips.
 * I'm in two minds about this, firstly we can just leave it as it is with all the stories going into the main Category:Doctor Who Magazine comics stories, which means that they're all accesible (additionally they're all accesible via the X Doctor comic strip pages/Backup comic strip pages. Or alternatively, I can make it as a sub-category of the Category:Doctor Who Magazine comics stories page, but that would probably mean have a sub-category for all the Doctors stories, this could mean that it's easier to find everything, but might also additionally make them hidden within multiple sub-categories. I appreciate your thoughts on this matter before I go ahead either way.


 * Could you clarify what you want to do regarding the characters, I'm not quite sure what you mean by your question.
 * If you mean actually creating an article for them by placing the [[ brackets around them, then that's up to your discretion, if you believe there is enough information in the comic strip to justify a page for them, then of course create one for them. Just make sure when/if you do create a page it isn't a dead end page (ie with nothing linking to it). If you've got the magazines sitting in front of you (which is quite something if you have 1 through to 385...I've been meaning to ask do you?) then I think by all means include whatever information you like for it.
 * Just make sure when writing the character pages that they are from an in-universe perspective, use the Template:Infobox Individual and put them somewhere in a category if they're a comic only companion in the or if they're just an individual place them somewhere in Category:Individuals or one of the many sub-categories that exist in the Cat-Individuals section. --Tangerineduel 10:22, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi, thanks again. We'll see how it all evolves! (I personally have a loathing for dead ends - as you may have realised) ... Oh and in answer to your question - of course I have!!! After all, I am the Librarian!! The Librarian 19:27, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

More info?
Hi, just noticed that the Magazine infobox doesn't include Price!! Oh and while I'm thinking about it, what about frequency!? (I'm happy to fill the gaps) The Librarian 00:25, 5 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't think Frequency should be included, I think that can be covered in the Notes section if it really needs attention drawing to it, or in the over all pages for the things such as the Doctor Who Classic Comics pages or the Doctor Who Magazine pages, those pages can have detail explaining how frequently they came out and when.
 * Can you explain the need for a pricing section, considering the global nature of this, plus the fact that the pricing differed throughout the magazine, in the 80s there was a US, Canadian and UK price then during the later 90s it changed to just a US and UK price. I'm just not sure if there is a defined need for a pricing section (after all we don't have one for the Books, CDs etc). But if I'm wrong I'll go ahead and change it.
 * If I do where should it go (in the infobox line up, between which of the lines?). --Tangerineduel 15:47, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The reasons behind including pricing, were firstly to be completist, the pricing in context with merchandising overall gives a reflection of the quality and the market at which the product is released. To collectors, researchers and historians this is useful. For placing Doctor Who in context of the time, pricing reflects the world, in the same way that fashions do. This may explain why I've included details like a competition (particularly in the early issues of magazines) having a digital watch as a star prize! (Don't mock, remember at the time they mocked Arthur Dent too!)
 * 'Howe's Transcendental Toybox' and its updates have established that there is a market for specific information of this nature and information like pricing is a regular feature in more specialised periodicals. For the sake of an extra line in the infobox, for the original release of a licenced (or otherwise) commercial product, which would by its very nature be by country of origin (eg probably UK £ or US$)I feel that option should be included.
 * If the TARDIS wiki is to be all-inclusive to information pertaining to Doctor Who, then merchandising (endorsed by the BBC through various enterprises), could indeed be a draw to the site for a range of `collectors' hungry for specifics, visitors that might otherwise dismiss the site as cultish (and I don't mean that derogatory in any way).
 * Where to put the box? I would suggest beneath the product title (but only for comercial releases). Other country prices or re-issue information would obviously be included under notes unless there was a significant revision which warrented a seperate page. I'm thinking ahead here, as I said loads more to come, and merchandising is of particular interest to me, and has been for many years well before the New Series. I did briefly think about using the name `The Collector' for a while, but felt it gave the wrong associations. Anyway, something to think about. The Librarian 14:20, 7 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Firstly I understand the completist angle and respect that.
 * As for placing the magazine in time, I think the year it was published pretty much does that.
 * I'm still against including price, as it introduces a precedent for the rest of the wiki.
 * I have had a look at other wiki projects and their take on magazines for example: Star Wars Official Fact File and Star Wars Insider from the Wookipedia both have infoboxes and neither include price (Wookipedia is generally considered one of the larger wikis with 51,000 articles and 175,000 users) also there is the Star Trek Magazine from Memory Alpha the Star Trek wiki, the magazine infobox doesn't include price.
 * Also by your very admission as a commercial product the price is much related to the country of origin and therefore is very much related to a where you are which in turn relates to what perspective a price would give you.
 * I'm against the addition of pricing to the infobox, I have however started a Forum topic to discuss this issue amongst others on this wiki. See Forum:Addition of 'Pricing' to the Magazine Infobox for more detail.--Tangerineduel 16:20, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

I look forward to a wiki debate on fors and againsts, you're the only one I've spoken too so far and look forward to seeing what others think. I've done the Classic Comics now, I know I've got to go back through them and find/edit/tidy some of the links, but I hope they are ok. I was thinking of dating the covers on the picture page for quick reference, but as each links to full issue details, is it worth it? By the way I agree the ``` is very annoying in Word! Cant even print it here! The Librarian 23:42, 7 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi, could you help me sort out my categories and a couple of my links.
 * Ive rethought the DWM structure a bit, here goes. From the DWM page is a link to the regular issues. For ease of use (page scrolling and future development) I've listed them now by issue, rather than images. Each publication title within DWM are denoted by sections split by headings (eg Doctor Who Weekly (Issues 1 - 43), Doctor Who - A Marvel Monthly (Issues 44 - 60), The Official DWM etc.). Each of these specific titles in turn linking to a page displaying the appropriate images of the magazines within that sub-group.
 * However, whenever I try to make the links it redirects me back to the Doctor Who Magazine page, even though, if I type in the search box, I can go to the page, which I'm finding very frustrating! I hope to add information later, on the evolution of the magazine throughout its various titles. As well as hopefully aiding access by giving greater search options. Hopefully it will make the 400 or so pages slightly more manageable by breaking them up into chunks. Anyway if you can help that would be great.
 * Oh, and I couldn't find much guidance on the use of hyper-linking dates. Should I always be cross-linking dates, particularly years. Thanks. The Librarian 21:56, 11 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Answering in reverse, I re-wrote the dates because if you just do it with slashes (without any other references) it is possible (for other users) to confuse the American (which is Month/Date/Year) with the British system (which is date/month/year), generally the year (as its the most identifiable thing) should be wikied.
 * I'm not sure if you want to create a category or just a linked page. To change the re-direct just click on whatever link from the Doctor Who Magazine page, and you'll be re-directed back to that page. Then up the top it will say (Redirected from Doctor Who Weekly) (in smaller than normal font under the main title heading. Click the Doctor Who Weekly link and it'll take you to the actual page, from there you can edit as normal (removing the #redirect as you do so). However if you have no information to add, it would be best to leave it as re-directs rather than redlink, as at least as a redirect people will find the information.
 * Also should you be having trouble locating what links to what page etc, click the What links here link under Toolbox (under the search field) on the left hand side of any page, which will give you a list of what links to the page you're looking at.
 * Just looking at the page, I see a foreseeable problem with the method you've outlines, and that is, while the early groups of issues had a name other than Doctor Who Magazine everything from 99 onwards was just called Doctor Who Magazine, so I'm unsure as to how you will make further links work.
 * One suggestion is a Subcategory within the Category:Doctor Who magazines for the Doctor Who Magazine, so all the variety of categories can sit within that category. Let me know your thoughts and I'll endeavour to assist. --Tangerineduel 07:30, 12 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Alrighty...ignore half of what I've said, I've gone ahead and created a category dedicated to the Doctor Who Magazine Category:Doctor Who Magazine, which is a sub-category of Category:Doctor Who magazines. --Tangerineduel 14:50, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Addition to help

 * Hi, couldn't find it on the site directly, but perhaps TARDIS wiki could have its own list of acceptable DW links to televised material, to avoid reoccuring problems including the prefix `The`. Would it be too much information to include a link from the Abbreviations. I would find it particularly helpful, others might. Just another thought. Sorry if I'm being a bit of a pain! Thanks for your continuing help and support The Librarian 21:00, 15 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I'll start out now by saying I haven't got a clue what you're talking about. (sorry) But I will try and guess... If you're referring to the fact that some story titles have 'The' in the title...well there isn't much we can do about that, and we won't be creating an (additional) abbreviation for it as that's the official story title. Also any changes you're suggesting would seriously stuff around with all the titles and abbreviations on the wiki, plus (and sorry to do back to it) but the the is part of the official BBC title, so it's not something we can just drop into another category. (But if I've got the wrong end of the stick could you please reply and clarify your point) --Tangerineduel 14:32, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi, sorry about that last one, it was late and my mouse was misbehaving! What I meant was, I suppose, could we have a list of official BBC titles that are recognised throughout Tardiswiki, within the TARDISwiki help site, that could easily be referred to while editing articles. It may be there and I haven't found it, if so sorry! I just found when tidying up some of the links, particularly to older B&W stories I couldn't make a link to something that I knew must be there somewhere (eg the Bartholomew one) and also if those sites, which may vary in one word prefixes (like `The`), get picked up for editing? sorry hope that makes my question clearer. The Librarian 21:07, 16 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Ah righty...well as far as the lists of... List of Doctor Who television stories has the list of TV stories, like wise the List of Audio Stories has a list of all the audio stories. If you put List of stories into the search area the top four article matches will be TV stories, Audio Stories, Torchwood and Sarah Jane Smith Adventures. To get to the list of the novels it's just the name ie Virgin Missing Adventures, Virgin New Adventures, BBC Past Doctor Adventures and BBC Eighth Doctor Adventures (and then substitute Eighth for Ninth and Tenth).
 * I'll look for a place to put it in the help section of the TARDIS wiki. Also, if you can get to each media's respective series from the infobox of a particular story infobox, the top of the infobox below the title says Doctor Who - _____________, where the line would say TV stories or the respective series it comes from, click that and it will also take you to the list of the series that particular story comes from.
 * Also regarding your problems with The Massacre check out Disputed story titles, which lists many of the stories with disputed titles, however The Massacre will re-direct to the actual title of The Massacre of St Bartholomew's Eve.
 * As to when/if those mistakes will be picked up, by the very nature of a wiki means that at some point it will be picked up (and something like known story titles there's an even greater possibility of those smaller things being changed). But as stated some story titles, especially those which are disputed will in many cases re-direct to the proper story title or when/if you do a search for the story title (such as Power of the Daleks will return one article match).
 * Generally speaking do a search of the title if you're not getting a blue link when you Show Preview your page, the search will most likely pull up the page, or alternatively do a search of one of the main characters (ie First Doctor) in the case of The Massacre and from that page you can get the First Doctor - List of Appearances (located in the infobox next to the Appearances section), then it would be just a case of scrolling down and looking for your title (should the previous searches fail etc).
 * Hope this is of some assistance. --Tangerineduel 13:09, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks again, sorry I was having a `being thick` day!! Must remember to keep taking the pills! The Librarian 18:22, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Back Again!!

 * Hopefully a lot less thick question... Where or how do you get those little numbers for references? and also any ideas on how I can sort out the Annuals page with the pictures coming below the related text lines, rather than all at the bottom? Its another area I'll be adding to over time. Thanks. The Librarian 20:34, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm guessing you mean the footnotes? For this I'll need to reference Wikipedia:Footnotes page, which will explain how it all works, much better than I could. (This links to the wikipedia page outside of the TARDIS index file which will give more info) However I can give you a 'in TARDIS Wiki' example of them in use (as there aren't many): The Dark Dimension, is a page I predominately wrote and has References in it if you need an example of them in a 'working' page. The wikipedia page is quite useful (and I think that's what I used as a reference when I used it to write the The Dark Dimension article. Just looking through your use of galleries (I believe I wrote it somewhere previous) but to start a gallery it's (to end it)). --Tangerineduel 13:55, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh dear!

 * Hi, didn't think you would be quite so quick, not sure if I'm impressed or not?!
 * I spent a good while looking around (as you suggested)on the searches, in categories by article etc. and apart from coming across a category called reference books with no subcategories (indeed most of the categories could do with expanding) The page was nowhere near complete, There isn't as far as I can see a facility for "work in progress" to be saved or marked. The page wasn't intended to link to individual articles, but rather the root page that then would link to the individual pages. I would then have gone on to find the corresponding existing links and make the ammendments before adding any others, honestly! (As I did with Virgin and X Doctor Adventures for example). I have articles to submit on 'every' section, and contributions to `every` book published, but am struggling as to where to put them.


 * I know you could argue "do one section at a time" but they are all linked up under printed material and I wanted a bit of variety,(within that category at least!) isn't that what the wiki is about?


 * There are pages of lists, which are sparse and largely without further content (so far), so I simply wanted to link them up. Where do you suggest I put "Its Bigger on the Inside", the "Mark of Mandragora" (which by your definition are both books) or Lion Book's adaptation/novelisation of `the Crusaders` , that link up rather than stand alone as separate articles?


 * I still consider myself a newbie, and maybe thats not such a bad thing. When you think of new people coming to the site, they will probably be as likely to get as frustrated as me. The only difference is they may not purser veer and instead go away and not return. I'm not going away.


 * I hope you reconsider the deletion, but I take your point, I just think you were a bit too quick off the mark, and I hope you can see where I'm coming from.


 * Hope you're still happy with the content I've added overall though, and perhaps before I carry on with the Annuals, maybe you would like to have a look at the `Annual infobox` again. Its a little lacking a felt compared to the other books. I might well split the Annual Page up into subgroups. But that would then create even more `Annual Book` searches, which bring me back to where I started !!!


 * (By the way thanks for the gallery bit, just read it, have you been doing this stuff long? And it was your Dark Dimension page that made me think of the little numbers! Well done!)


 * I hope to get the Annuals done in the next few days which would tie in nicely with the Comic Strip side of things. I'm hoping to add even more detail later with lengthier articles after I've done the preliminaries.


 * Is there any place on the wiki for a worldwide perspective, I for one would be interested in the Who that (Australia) gets and has had in the past (I've only specifically seen your censored clips!)
 * Anyway bye for now. The Librarian 19:22, 22 August 2007 (UTC)