Talk:Amy Pond

Early visit to Amy by The Doctor
The Wiki says (April 2010) that The Doctor promises to return in five minutes to the young Amy, then re-appears 12 years later. But at the end of the episode, just before he returns to the older Amy, he pops off to test drive the newly altered Tardis - and we see young Amy sitting waiting, the morning after he first met her, and hear the Tardis engine. When he returns to older Amy (oops, two years later) he says he made a quick trip round the moon. Which older Amy doesn't seem to know about.

Could this be a clue to older Amy not being the same one as seen at the start of the episode/series? And not knowing about the Daleks.

It's that crack in the wall, isn't it.

signed Dr John

I think Amy only was dreaming on the night before her wedding that the Doctor came back for her when she was 7, because she could kinda sense he was coming back for her (or somthing like that) MidnightCat 20:41, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

I'm inclined to agree with MidnightCat, but seeing some of the clips from the next episode make me wonder what's going on. We'll find out tomorrow. But there was something interesting relating to her lack of memory..."What did you tell me when I was seven?" Interesting...Musedae 23:00, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

Dr John, you are thinking along the same 'lines' that I am. I personally think that the Daleks created her, just like they created the professor in "Victory of the Daleks". I think that *12* years didn't actually go by (since they never said what year he first landed in Amy's garden). When the grown 'Amy' said that Amelia Pond had been gone for 6 months, I think she was telling us the 'truth' (hidden right before our eyes!). Amy mentioned to the Professor that she understood what he was going through, really understood. (???) I think that the Daleks saw during Victory of the Daleks how the Doctor would choose to save the Earth before chasing them down (of course) and that they went back in time to plant 'Amy'. Since Karen is slated to come back in the next series, that something similar to what happened with the Professor (to 'make' him human) will happen during the series finale and she will come back 'okay'. Is this making sense to anyone? :-) I've watched, and re-watched (several times) each of the episodes this series and nothing about Amy feels right. Signed MommyTorres

"I personally think that the Daleks created her" :O Do you really think the daleks could create an android so sexy? ;)Da bad adder 20:29, May 22, 2010 (UTC)

HELP!
I kinda ruined that box thing and I dont know how to sort it out! Sombody help, please! MidnightCat 16:30, April 23, 2010 (UTC) I cited it and removed the deletion banner, 'cause I hear that was due to the lack of citation. --Golden Monkey 11:36, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm surprised that folks were so quick to toss the deletion banner up, considering the news was everywhere including the Doctor Who News Page and the BBC itself. 23skidoo 14:58, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Date of Birth
What source is used for her date of birth? Chiroptera Rex 00:05, April 24, 2010 (UTC)

Source re: alien
This one's funny. It was actually a joke published by DWIN, but it seems to have been picked up as fact in some places. I'll add a source to straighten things out. Since this was posted by a major fan organization, plus I have seen some people taking the "Wolf Weed" thing as being fact, I think mentioning it and indicating that it's just a joke is important. I even nearly fell for it (I did not see this original posting, which is clearly a josh). 23skidoo 17:22, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I think "Hoax" is a bit strong, because hoaxes are intended to mislead the public. DWIN's joke, once you looked at it, was obvious as they used images of K9 from the 70s and a few other references. I'm going to change the heading to "Practical Joke". DWIN's error was in the timing; this would have been a perfect April Fool's joke. 23skidoo 02:54, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Soothsayer Connection
They did this with alot when multiple characters are portrayed by one actor, Martha and the Cyberized woman being "cousins" and Gwen and her ancestor from the the 1800's. If Russel was still doing the shows I wouldn't put it passed him to have a throw away line like "You wouldn't happen to be greek?" wish Moffat could do something cooler than that though. - DontEatRawHagis

 Most likely, it may be subtly mentioned in the episode(s) that will feature the vampires, confirmed on the Doctor Who website trailer http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/newyear/ and on a Doctor Who fan blog which has rumoured the title Vampires of Venice before the trailer aired.http://lifetheuniverseandcombom.blogspot.com/2009/11/doctor-who-series-5-episode-titles.html Additionally, the rumoured title and the trailer both have a setting that has similar look to the episode, The Fires of Pompeii. | JamesWho Given the makeup used on the soothsayers, it's unlikely that there will be any reference to Amy being related to them as their features are unrecognisable. You can't tell that it's Karen Gillan playing the soothsayer. 

Maybe there is some connection. After all, there is rumor about Rory re-appearing as roman soldier. If she disappears in some crack too, this might be her after all... -- TakeruDavis 14:00, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

Rumours
Could we maybe get some protection on this page, to stop unregistered users leaving weird unconfirmed speculation like she will be Donna Noble's cousin. I also think she should be added to the Companions list on the main toolbar <<<. Similarly, shouldn't the Eleventh Doctor appear on The Doctor section on the toolbar <<< ? -- Will101 21:27, September 1, 2009 (UTC)

When is the protection gonna get taken off? I'm unregistered but that doesn't mean I'm gonna mention Donna Noble's cousin.


 * The Eleventh Doctor and Amy Pond are being left off the dropdown lists until we have more information.

Americanwhofan 21:48, September 1, 2009 (UTC)

 The Eleventh Doctor should be added to the list of Doctors, considering he has confirmed his appearance as the new Doctor in the episode The End of Time Part 2. | JamesWho 

But why? They've been confirmed as the Eleventh Doctor and his Companion! -- Will101 21:49, September 1, 2009 (UTC)
 * I second that. I'm not sure what "dropdown list" is being referred to here, but if anything has been removed, it should be put back. 23skidoo 12:02, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

It's the sidebar on the left <<< :) -- Will101 14:40, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

Amy Pond is River Song

Policewoman outfit
I removed a reference to Amy arresting the Doctor. We don't know what the context of that outfit is, and unless she's in the vice squad, that short skirt is decidedly not regulation. It could just as easily be some form of costume. I did add a reference to the shorts/leggings because a pattern does seem to be emerging in all of the location photos that have been published so far, ranging from the first episode of the series (with the police outfit) to presumably later episodes (like the first one filmed in July). 23skidoo 12:02, October 28, 2009 (UTC) Its possible she is in a police uniform from a different time, but we should wait for some confirmation. lottie01 11:20, January 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Once again, I removed the reference to her arresting the Doctor. Unless someone has managed to see the episode in question, we can't state this. If someone connected with the production - an actor, a writer - has indicated this, then it needs a source. We also once again don't know if this is a real uniform (although it does look more like the genuine article in the photo included in the Telegraph link I posted, though I still doubt whether her skirt is regulation unless she's Vice). 23skidoo 18:39, November 24, 2009 (UTC)

She's in a police outfit as her job required her to have lots of skimpy costumes.In the episode Eleventh Hour it is stated that she is a kissagram(sombody who goes to parties in sexy costumes and kisses people) much to the docotors disgust when he found out as he always knew her as 'little Amelia Pond.The police costume was used to scare the doctor so he would give her answers she even pretended to 'call for backup'

21st Century or 1995?
I keep hearing that the Eleventh Doctor will meet Amy in 1995, but her time perdiod is down as the 21st century on the wiki. The setting of the filming pictures themselves hint that it will be 1995. Post offices appear to be in common use, whereas nearly everything is done through machines in the 21st century; before the 2000s came along, a lot of things were done through post offices, not machines. The filming pictures all seem to show a 90s setting, lacking machines and having the use of a post office instead. There is very few post offices even around anymore in the 21st century. Though there are still some, so it may be a bit of a stetch to say post office = set in the 90s. Delton Menace 19:23, December 5, 2009 (UTC) - This would be a blessing honestly, if it does turn out to be true. I like the idea of having a character a few years removed from current times, good way to play 'surprise at the future' to even stuff we're used to. Also, grunge-era dress sense! Awesome. Ponk 07:23, December 31, 2009 (UTC) I am hoping her era will be 1995, too. As for who she is, she is seen as being pretty damn human in the trailers... has a boyfriend and everything, and meets the Doctor. What were police woman uniforms like in the mid 1990s, anyway? Or she might just be an officer in training. Either way, I like her legs, so I'm not complanining. Ahem, anyways, I'm keeping my fingers cross for the 1995 setting, I loved that era: fat computers, black-and-white brick phones, and post offices still existed. ;) Delton Menace 15:05, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * There's a lack of machines, 90s setting etc because it was a tiny little village in the middle of nowhere. Aliyoda 19:02, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * I also wonder if it's not premature to state with 100% certainty things like she's from Earth and human. While likely to be the case, there's always the chance it could end up being something different. I still say that police uniform looks too weird to be an official one (suggesting a possible Ford Prefect scenario, maybe?). Obviously we'll know pretty soon, but it might be premature to jump to some conclusions. This is Doctor Who, after all. ;) 23skidoo 14:47, January 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * The police uniform wasn't an official one - she's a kissogram - not a police officer! Aliyoda 19:02, April 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * From what I heard, she first meets him in 1995, as a child, and then in 2010 as an adult. -- Noneofyourbusiness 14:11, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

Ah, thanks for the info. :) Well, then series 5 spans 2010 for present day Earth. I guess the timeline really is in sync with us now: he meets her as an adult in 2010, and othe repisodes have dialouge saying 2010. Delton Menace 11:47, January 21, 2010 (UTC)

Accent
Does anyone have a source for the rumor about the accent? If not, it should probably be deleted until we get to hear her speak in character. 23skidoo 21:29, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

I hope she does have a scottish accent and not do what david tennat did which was when he did interviews he sounded scottish, but when he played the doctor he sounded english which was to me a dissapointment as if he did not want to be scottish. --Catkind121 14:14, February 8, 2010 (UTC)

It says a recent trailer shows her accent to be English. In the trailer I've seen, she has the most Scottish accent I've ever heard.
 * I deleted the whole thing about the accent. The fact is, we'll know immediately when we see The Eleventh Hour. So there's no need for speculation. For the record, though, I thought it was an entirely Scottish accent in the second trailer. But whatever. Totally useless point to be on the article right now. Don't know why people wanna write these things so far ahead of time anwyay. Were it up to me, this article would read, "Amy Pond was the first companion of the Eleventh Doctor," — and that'd be it right now. I'd heartily recommend people don't spend any more time on this article until The Eleventh Hour comes out.  Czech Out  ☎ | ✍ 18:12, March 2, 2010 (UTC)

To me the accent sounded like one from Bristol. And as I come from *fairly* near there, I'm used to hearing it. But I agree with CzechOut, and think we should leave all speculation or whatever until The Eleventh Hour. -- Will101 16:47, March 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Agreed. So far all we have to go on is the 3-D trailer, and it's really hard to tell from the few words of dialogue she utters. Also, as the various clips on Youtube of her on the Kevin Bishop Show attest, she's another master of accents like Catherine Tate, so she could sound like anyone when DW gets going. 23skidoo 04:28, March 8, 2010 (UTC)

Engaged
When she met the Doctor for the second time (in what we're saying is 2008), was she engaged to Rory, or was that sometime between 2008-2010? Tardis1963 04:49, April 4, 2010 (UTC)

He was only her "sort of" boyfriend in 2008, I think. In the confidential Steven Moffat, Karen Gillan and the actor that plays Rory all said somthing along the same lines - that Rory grew up in the shadow of Amy's "raggedy doctor", and that when they were kids Amy gave him hell over other imaginary things such as the tooth fairy and Santa, which she no longer beleived in. Maybe over the next two years, after Amy had met the Doctor for the second time and put the prisoner zero thing to rest their relasionship improved up to the point of getting married. Only to be ruined by the Doctor again! : ) MidnightCat 20:45, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

Ruined by the doctor? hopefully;) a pro raggedy doctor+amy together fan.

Hmmm...definitely we don't want Rory and Amy married(He isn't quite right for her and besides she has had 14 years to grow an fascination to the doctor (she made cartoons and dolls of him) BUT on the other hand, we don't want Rory feeling left out or anything as he's so funny and nice. we'll see. ahh, speculating is fun :)Da bad adder 21:12, May 22, 2010 (UTC)

Amy's engagement
Why is it now assumed that Amy is engaged to Rory Williams? There is no evidence for this.

True.


 * Well, in the actual episode (and during the second visit of the doctor) she introduces him and he emphasizes that he's her boyfriend. So, following simple logic and ignoring the possibility that things could have changed, it would make sense that 2 years later (during the third visit of the doctor) they are engaged and would have married. As I said, the theory ignores the possibility that for some reason she could be engaged to someone else. LBurk (no brain, no pain) 21:17, April 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think the key to your sentence is the word "he". He emphasizes, she de-emphasizes. He also has an extreme reaction to the mention of Jeff. So there's the possibility, as of 14:40, April 7, 2010 (UTC), that Jeff might be in the picture as well. Or at the very least, Jeff might have been in the picture at one point. Sure there are all sorts of rumors swirling around, and of course Rory's presence has been detected on location shoots, and he's in the season trailers far more than Jeff. But we really need to be super-cautious here. Unless the episode actually says something, we can't assume anything. It's just like the accent thing. We got pre-broadcast trailers/scenes where Amy had an English accent. And it turns out, in the episode she did have an English accent for a decent length of time. But that English accent turned out to be an affectation the character was putting on to disguise her Scottishness. The only things we know at this point are that she was in an unequal relationship with Rory at one point, and two years later she's got a wedding dress. Sure, they could be engaged, but there are other possibilities, too.  Czech Out  ☎ | ✍ 14:40, April 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I think you're right with the caution at that point. We can at least summarize which known facts speak for which speculation (emphasizing the "speculation" thingy). I just wanted to throw in that Rory was confirmed to be a recurring character, so he might become the new Micky/Ricky... of sorts. But I guess instead of throwing in theories and other brain-spam, I'll just wait what the next 2-3 episodes will tell us :) LBurk (no brain, no pain) 02:15, April 8, 2010 (UTC)

There's no point speculating - The episodes are telling us all we need to know, for the moment: that Amy is getting married. We'll find out who to soon.

No point speculating? Hehe, speculation is one of the funnest things in wiki's :DDa bad adder 21:16, May 22, 2010 (UTC)

Evidence That Even "Grown" Amy's Adventure Is Set in the Past
There are a variety of pieces of evidence scattered through "The Eleventh Hour" indicating that the older Amy the Doctor encounters on his returns lives more than a decade removed from present day, most likely in the early to mid-90s.

First, and most telling: Rory's hospital ID badge says it was issued in 1990. He's certainly not old enough to have worked there for 20+ years. Even if you are inclined to write this off as an error...

Second, all of the cars seen in the episode are '90s models or older. This would be an extremely odd production choice unless it means something. Paired with the ID badge...

no, at least 2 cars (a ford mondeo in the hospital parking lot, and a hyundai santa fe in the "doctor vision" scene behind prisoner zero) are from 2007

Considerably more circumstantial, but still interesting is the kissogram job Amy has. Yes, they are still around, but haven't they been less and less common for the last 20-ish years?

There are some issues with this theory, of course: advanced laptops, Facebook, Blackberries. However, all of the anachronous technology to this theoryis of a telecommunications bent, and many of them bore the conspicuously prominent logo of the fictitious company "Myth."

Add in the bit from the third ep about Amy not remembering the Daleks (which she should if she lived through the 2000s) and it starts to get the wheels turning.

We'll probably find out why she doesn't remember the daleks in later episodes, and maybe they'll mention her home period also.

Moffat has specifically said that the date on Rory's ID badge means nothing. He never even glanced at it. "I have never actually looked at Rory's name tag to be completely honest with you . . . it's not a significant plot thing." ―Steven Moffat at the SoHo Apple Store. And to address the "90s models or older" it's already been mentioned that there are two 2007 cars, and we have to remember that this is Leadsworth, which is obviously a small town, and has a small town feel. You don't see too many 2010 Ferrari's in small town England, do you? I don't think so. The kissogram was Moffat's idea, because he wanted to make the new companion "sexy" and exciting. I have a source for that, somewhere...Anyway. It's pretty much confirmed by the various technology that this is definitely 2009, if not later. She is 21 years old, since it's 14 years after she first met the Doctor (at age 7, which we know because she says it at the beginning of the second episode), and if we are going with her date of birth being in 1989, that sets us firmly in the year 2010. All of this evidence is extremely circumstantial and unsubstantiated. Musedae 19:17, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

Amelia's age
The main part of the article says Amy was 11 when she first met the Doctor. Key Life Events says she was 7. So which is it? 23skidoo 14:28, April 19, 2010 (UTC)

''My name is Amy Pond. When I was 7 I had an imaginary friend. - Amy in The Beast Below. ' ''

''in the article it says that amy pond was 7 in 1996 when she first met the doctor and she was born in 1989. The problem is that it says later on that she was mad at him being gone for 12 years instead of 5 minutes but if he was gone for twelve years after 1996 it shouldn't be 2010 it should be 2008. The reason we know its 2010 is because at the end of Flesh and Stone on the alarm clock and the device the doctor had said the wedding day was 26 06 2010, think that was the right month. and it would also mean she would be married at ninteen but if she was born in 1989 and married in 2010 she should be 21.''

''...No. He was gone for 5 minutes / 12 years, and came back in 2008. Then, he returned on the night before her wedding, which was, guess what, TWO YEARS LATER. "All that stuff, that crazy stuff...that was TWO. YEARS. AGO." She is 21 years old, she is getting married, and it's been 14 years since fish custard. Do your math. Musedae 14:18, May 2, 2010 (UTC)''

Amy Pond Picture and Low-Level Sonic Wave Discharger
Why is the Amy Pond picture so big??? Also how come there isn't an article on the Low-Level Sonic Wave Discharger which the Eleventh Doctor used by modifying his Sonic Screwdriver by adding a Wave Reducer (the alternation of a Wave Amplifier) and a red diode which reduced the potential of the Sonic's sound waves to release a low-level signal to the Dalek Progenitor to cause it to drain small factors of the New Dalek's technology (However, we are yet to see what happens to this technology) in Victory of the Daleks. The light also changes from green to red like the diode does.

Someone edited the page earlier and put a new picture in. I'm going to go fix that now. It's WAY too big. Musedae 19:21, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

OK, thanks. What about the Low-Level Sonic Wave Discharger? O.o

she tried to shag the doctor
did any one see how she really wanted to have sex with that 900 odd year old alien
 * No. We didn't. We all stopped watching before the end. You are the only one to have seen this.
 * Seriously, what brought this on any way. It confused me. ☆ The  Solar  Dragon  ( Talk ) ☆ 18:21, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

same i was like wtf is she doing hes an e.t. Mrmaidment 18:46, May 1, 2010 (UTC)mrmaidment

Whoever wrote "No. We didn't."...you just MADE my day <3 Musedae 14:17, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

She's clearly the Pandorica.

Go on Doctor. She needs to be opened ;D Ghadius

Did anyone else see how tempted the Doctor looked to take her up on the offer? Like "Must.....resist....sexy....scottish.....companion....."

Also- "Its been a while?"

"Ye...no!" ~ Fan555

Silly Pond. She should know that the doctor is a virgin ~ BillyWilliam3rd

Oh, Billy, hes not a virgin. Hes had a daughter already, I wonder why the doctor didn't jump onto the bed, I would... LOL! You could see he was tempted too... M.Curran 02:45, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Oh yeah, forgot about that :( Sorry ~ BillyWilliam3rd

I'm telling you, there's something very wrong with this whole thing! Something's going on in their headsss! It's the crack man! They're on crack! Musedae 14:17, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Well, we shall have to wait and see what happens next episode. Wonder wether Amy will give up once they are both in the Tardis? Fan555 14:21, May 2, 2010 (UTC)Fan555

I read this as "Will Amy give it up once they're both in the Tardis" and i was like "O.O OH DAMN" Musedae 21:12, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

Amy is so brilliant! She has more personality than Rose, Martha and even Donna put together! I see now what they meant on Dr Who Confidential when they said she's the craziest companion yet - she's defintley the best. MidnightCat 18:56, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong
omg is the doctor going to knock amy up??? he can't! that is just....so wrong.

Grow up! Fan555 14:16, May 2, 2010 (UTC)Fan555

Well think about it...if the doctor did shag her and she got pregnant the kid would be of gallifreyan decent! Gallifrey would live on through Amy!

Good chat up line for the doctor: "I'm gunna rock your space, time, cuntinuum lol - Brad101 03:59AM, May 4, 2010 (GMT)

Amy is "Little Red Riding Hood"
I've noticed a lot of "nods" to little red riding hood in the first five episodes of series 5. First there is the obvious allusion to fairy tales/myths. Then there are the specific references. What big eyes you have. What big teeth you have. Furthermore, in "Flesh and Stone" Amy is seen in the woods wearing a red shirt which gathers at the back, somewhat resembling a hood. So here's hoping that the end result is a re-writing of time, and a question: Who's afraid of the Big Bad Wolf?

OK, well spotted. Liz 10 also wore a hooded red cloak. Also, what about the danger of talking to strangers and of entering the forest which is filled with something nasty... so how about this: River is the wicked witch from The Wizard of Oz, cos those are great red shoes, so maybe she actually stole them, making her Dorothy? Does that make Rory the cowardly lion and Jeff the Scarecrow, so who is the Tin Man ? (yep, pun intended!) 86.26.137.154 07:48, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

Amy Pond is the third scottish companion
K-9 was modeled after a SCOTTISH terrier, complete with a tartan collar!

Amy Pond article
Doesn't the Amy Pond article need editing a bit. Where's the information about her trips to Alfava Metraxis in The Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone and her romantic break with Rory to Venice where she encountered the Saturnynian 'Vampires'?

I'll get right on it (Darkraider09 22:08, May 9, 2010 (UTC))

Amy's hair colour
Is it me or is it that Amy Pond's hair colour keeps on changing since the start espically the promotinal images her hair is like brown to ginger The mysterious 17:46, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * No, she's always been ginger. 17:51, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

Look at the promotinal pics, on the Doctor Who website The mysterious 08:01, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Trick of the light? 08:10, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

a guess
OK. Amys mum is gone. so is rory. amy can't remember her mum. now she can't remember rory. the crack is in her bedroom wall. is it possible that amys mum went through the crack and got erased from time?

after all, rory AND amys mum are appearing in the series finale! 90.202.74.73 14:54, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

"Love and Loss"
Isn't this section of her biograghy too detaled? MidnightCat 15:12, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * A biography is supposed to be detailed. The Thirteenth Doctor 19:47, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

The Suicide
So in Victory of the Daleks Amy talks the suicidal android Edwin out of killding himself. Well the lines that she used suggest that maybe she herself due to her parents death or being lonely lead her to being suicidal, remember the scene from Amy's Choice that she drastically (I know Rory died and all and she never told him she loved him) goes and drives into her cottage. This action was very prepared and it seemed that she had these emotions before because she was so ready to do them. Somebody give me their theories as well so I dont think our lovely Pond has a few issues.

Meggtkelly 19:07, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

So what if she does? It doesn't make her a bad person. She's brave, clever and compassionate, and she's learning - through her travels with the Doctor - that there's more to life than Leadworth. I'm not saying I'm sure she's got issues as I don't think she has (she's just had a hard life and it's damaged her, making her inwardly angry, maybe) just that if she has it doesn't matter. MidnightCat 17:34, June 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * Please don't discuss this topic here. This is speculation and belongs in the forums. The Thirteenth Doctor 19:49, June 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * most of the things on here resemble speculation; ex. little red riding hood, which i like by the way, and who made you the discussion cop?Meggtkelly 20:00, June 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes most of them are, and should not be happening here. This page is for discussing changes to the article. If you want, you can start a new topic in the Howling. As for who made me the discussion cop... no-one. All I do is abide by the rules. I'm more like a vigilante. The Thirteenth Doctor 17:30, June 8, 2010 (UTC)