Talk:Clara (The Snowmen)

Minor points
There are a couple of things I confused about here.

1) The name? Where does her name come from? Clara is what the Doctor think she is called - he thinks Clara and Oswin are the same - and we split the articles. This article should be renamed.

2) 21st century. This is speculation. There is nothing in the episode to say what date is it is. This has to be removed.

3) The page should really not have (modern terms) as the dab terms. Firstly what are modern times? Modern refers to 'now' and will change as time goes on - so modern times is something that should never be used. Secondly, it should be 'Unnamed girl (The Snowmen)'. MM/ Want to talk? 21:28, December 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * I didn't make this page, but the name comes from the fact that Sophie Sheen-Miller's character is credited as "Clara's Friend" and she never appears with Victorian Clara, only dressed in comteporary clothing with JLC's third character. 75.141.226.87talk to me 21:33, December 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * Ahh, Clara's friend, of course. I forgot about that. However, the other two points still stand. The page should be 'Clara (The Snowmen)', since the other Clara has a last name. MM/ Want to talk? 21:37, December 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * Fair enough. I chose "21st century" because that was the least speculatory. OS25 (talk to me, baby.) 21:44, December 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * Agreed about the other points. Clara (The Snowmen) makes sense and as for the 21st century, all we have to go by are their clothes, but Rory wore "modern" clothes when he was Angeled back to the 1930s and Martha wore modern clothes when she met Shakespeare, so they don't prove much. 75.141.226.87talk to me 21:46, December 28, 2012 (UTC)

Clara Oswald
Her name's Clara Oswald, it says so in the "Coming Soon" trailer near the end, the Doctor says "Clara Oswald, it's time to find out who you are. Should the title of the article be changed to reflect this?
 * No. That's considered a spoiler according to our spoiler policy. Trailers are considered spoilers. SmallerOnTheOutside ☎  01:14, December 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * No, according to Tardis:Spoiler policy, information from trailers/previews cannot be put on in-universe pages. Shambala108 ☎  01:13, December 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh. You beat me to it. Again. SmallerOnTheOutside ☎  01:15, December 31, 2012 (UTC)

Speculation
"She was one of the three known people who the Eleventh Doctor claimed were one and the same, along with Clara Oswald and Oswin Oswald." - Surely this is speculative. At no point has the Eleventh Doctor seen or referred to this Clara in The Snowmen
 * He says that she must exist. Then we see she does. OS25 (talk to me, baby.) 13:45, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

Name of the character.
The name of the character:

According to the new Doctor Who episode (The Bells of St John) which was shown today, this woman is truly Clara Oswald (she didn't know the name, "Oswin" before the Doctor mentioned it, so she shouldn't be considered Clara Oswin Oswald, just Clara Oswald, so I believe that this page should be just Clara Oswald, whilst the Victorian Clara should be Clara Oswin Oswald. What do you think?
 * I'm in agreement with this. Oswin only relates to Oswin Oswald and Clara Oswin Oswald, not this Clara. Mewiet ☎  23:40, March 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * I propose Oswin Oswald, Clara Oswald (The Snowmen) and Clara Oswald (The Bells of Saint John). And Clara Oswald (The Bells of Saint John: A Prequel). Anyways, as this concerns four different pages, this should be brought to the Panopticon. In fact, in this thread, we're discussing a possible merge. --SOTO ☎ 23:46, March 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * Is there a particular reason we can't use simply Oswin Oswald, Clara Oswin Oswald, and Clara Oswald for the Asylum, Snowmen, and Saint John Oswalds respectively? There are only three (thus far), and they all go by distinctly different names. d ●  ●   ●   02:04, March 31, 2013 (UTC)
 * There are actually 4, plus a DAB page. Besides, Clara Oswin Oswald was still known as "Clara Oswald", so we still need the DAB to avoid comfusion. OS25 (talk to me, baby.) 05:16, March 31, 2013 (UTC)
 * It seems the implication of the prequel was to establish that to be the same Clara as in the episode proper, also COO specifically had all three names on her tombstone, while 2013 Clara Oswald was fairly insistent that she was "just" Clara Oswald, not Clara Oswin Oswald. d ●  ●  ●   05:19, March 31, 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree with this, too: it is practical, it does make sense and above all it is consistent with what - so far! - we know of this girl... Just to be clear, the hypothesis I am referring is OO for AOTD, COO for TS and CO for TBOSJ; the last could even be Clara "Oswin" Oswald, since she chooses it herself as a user name but I do not think we can be sure about this, so her name should reamin Clara Oswald. What do you think? --Tito Plauto ☎  13:28, March 31, 2013 (UTC)

Wh-what? No look, the names we have choosen have been picked for very certain reasons to make the articles different from each other name wise... These un-dabed names just don't work! OS25 (talk to me, baby.) 17:14, March 31, 2013 (UTC)
 * Why not, though? The undab policy works when multiple articles have the same name, but it's not actually necessary here.
 * The woman from Asylum of the Daleks refers to herself exclusively as Oswin Oswald.
 * The woman from The Snowmen has Clara Oswin Oswald on her gravestone.
 * The woman from the end of The Snowmen is clearly contemporary.
 * The little girl in the prequel is dressed in clothes that would fit within the last few decades, and her mother calls her Clara Oswald (note the lack of "Oswin")
 * The woman from The Bells of Saint John not only goes by Clara Oswald, but specifically says she is not "Clara Oswin Oswald", and "invents" the Oswin name as a portmanteau of "Oswald for the win". The red leaf in her book signifies she is the same Clara that met the Doctor on that fall afternoon in the prequel as well.
 * We are only dealing with three women here, and they each have distinct, unambiguous names: Oswin Oswald, Clara Oswin Oswald, and Clara Oswald. d ●  ●  ●   17:22, March 31, 2013 (UTC)
 * In that case, why don't we also call Amy Pond's page "Amelia Jessica Williams"? Oh, right, because despite what was written on her grave stone she was mainly called Amy Pond. Clara in The Snowmen was also called Clara Oswald. And we still need that DAB page! So it's best to simply include the story titles as DABs in alk of their names. OS25 (talk to me, baby.) 17:38, March 31, 2013 (UTC)
 * I feel like we're nearing another Brian Williams scenario, but is there a reason we can't use the three distinct names with a header (akin to Rory Williams' page) saying "You may be looking for a different Clara Oswald" or some such? d ●  ●  ●   17:47, March 31, 2013 (UTC)