User:SOTO/Forum Archive/The Panopticon/@comment-4028641-20170618182814/@comment-4028641-20170618235315

User:SOTO/Forum Archive/The Panopticon/@comment-4028641-20170618182814/@comment-4028641-20170618235315 Amorkuz wrote: Could you please provide a quote where I say that the picture should be discussed at Martin Luther King Jr separately from Martin Luther King? I certainly never intended this to happen. But I'm just curious: what gave you this impression?

Even if my end-of-the-universe hypothetical was never truly going to come to pass, there's still clearly an unruly double standard here that truly makes little sense.

You were suggesting that when information was supplied without a name, we could use the correct out-of-universe name only for the purposes of creating a page easily (which makes sense) but you also stated that ''the moment said idea is also referenced from an in-universe fusion by the name, previous un-named mentions are now invalid and must go in the behind-the-scenes section.

"In other words, the real-world information is normally only allowed in BTS and, exceptionally to avoid stupid dab terms like "Female monk (The Lie of the Land)" for Mother Theresa, in the page title. However, the in-universe portion of the page should only rely on the in-universe sources. Chances are that eventually information will also be found in-universe. When that happens, then BTS content can be gradually moved into the main article."

- Amorkuz

The suggestion here is that Martin Luther King Jr would be used to avoid using an unruly dab, unless another source made reference towards MLK, in which case it would all be re-directed to the behind-the-scenes section. This is what has been done at Martin Luther King.

This would be the equivalent of if we moved all of the info at Anthony Eden to the bts section because an unrelated story mentioned his full name but didn't say "It's the same Eden the Twelfth Doctor mentioned once," or if you removed all of Struwwelpeter to the behind the scenes section because another story mentioned the book without quoting the passage read by the Twelfth Doctor.

Even if that did happen, we still need an in-universe page to link to for the book that the Twelfth Doctor reads in said story. We still need a page for the Prime Minister named Eden mentioned by the Twelfth Doctor.

What page do we link to from an in-universe basis for the voices heard from the start of Remembrance? The voices, btw, are JFK and MLK. But since we can't confirm that all three of these stories to reference MLK are talking about the same guy, there is no in-universe page for two out of three of the examples. I can't say "As the Dalek ship approached, it heard a man giving a speech about dreams," because there is now no in-universe page that supports that information. You've essentially deemed moments in valid DWU stories invalid.

Again, I see no practical use for this, and I find no precedent for such a thing. Nor is it truly present in our rules.