Talk:The Doctor Falls (TV story)

Just so you know
Some information in the article is incorrect but I can't say what because of the stupid spoiler rule. 213.123.3.22talk to me 19:58, July 1, 2017 (UTC)


 * I think it is all good now. Please, enlighten us. Snivystorm ☎  23:03, July 1, 2017 (UTC)

Infoxbox image
This is just my opinion, but I don't feel that the current infobox image best reflects the events of the episode. The snow scene only took place during the last five minutes. I don't know what everyone else thinks, but is there a better image to represent this episode, perhaps of events which took place on floor 0507? 66 Seconds ☎  22:34, July 1, 2017 (UTC)


 * It depends on our options. First, we have to assess what the big things were which were The Doctor falling (as the current image displays) Bill's departure (the A plot) the battle on Floor 0507 and the Masters personal fight (the B plot). So far, the current image is the best we have I feel as it showcases the Doctor not only physically on his knees, which indicates the falling aspect, but he is also regenerating, a further display of that as he is dying. Perhaps an image of Bill cradling the Doctor as that encompasses the two main parts of this episode? Personally, the Masters felt secondary so I don't feel they'd be best appropriate as the focus for the image (they got that in the last episode). Just my 2 cents. Snivystorm ☎  22:44, July 1, 2017 (UTC)


 * Yeah, my main concern when adding this image was removing the promotional image from the infobox, so I went a bit literal from the episode's title. However, if there is a good image that depicts the battle with the Cybermen, I agree that could also be a good option for the infobox. I also agree that the Master wasn't as important to the plot as the Operation Exodus or even the Doctor beggining to regerate, so we probably should not have them in the infobox. OncomingStorm12th ☎  22:53, July 1, 2017 (UTC)


 * The snow image will never be a suitable image for the episode, as it is clearly just set up for the following story. It even appears that the end was shot later.


 * The image of the 12th Doctor talking to the Masters is currently out best bet, because that scene is where the title of the episode comes from in the first place. Moreover, it's easily the most memorable moment. OS25 (Talk) 23:08, July 1, 2017 (UTC)
 * That is subjective, people remembers bits more prominently than others. Snivystorm ☎  23:17, July 1, 2017 (UTC)

Here, this image surely is the most suitable out of what we have. OS25 (Talk) 23:11, July 1, 2017 (UTC)
 * I concur, it displays the two most prominent part of the episodes and is a climatic moment. Perhaps the one where Bill cradles the Doctor from the wreckage could be a candidates? Snivystorm ☎  23:17, July 1, 2017 (UTC)
 * Surely never and surely are just your opinions rather than facts, right OS25? Also, I don't agree that this is quite "the most suitable". I, for one, can't barely make out the Doctor from the floor, and Bill also blends in a lot with the background. OncomingStorm12th ☎  23:18, July 1, 2017 (UTC)


 * Going quickly through the episode, those were the three images I found that I believe could better summarise the story:


 * Alrighty, with that in mind, I've narrowed down our candidates to these two. Though, ideally, we still could get a better image. Snivystorm ☎  07:39, July 3, 2017 (UTC)


 * Again, Image #1 will never be an acceptable choice for the infobox of this page. If people want to do more searching, that's admirable, but for now the above choice #2 is our best bet. OS25 (Talk) 01:50, July 4, 2017 (UTC)


 * Agreed, #1 was a good stand in while we found an appropriate image but it's clear #2 is the superior one. Snivystorm ☎  07:13, July 4, 2017 (UTC)

Production Errors
Would it make sense to edit the Production Errors section to add that Rory and Strax (and maybe Mickey too) were omitted from the companion montage towards the end of this episode? Scoobydooman90001 ☎  15:24, September 10, 2017 (UTC)
 * That's not a production error. --DCLM ☎  15:34, September 10, 2017 (UTC)


 * To expand on this a bit, anything chosen by the production crew is not a production error. You can find more information at Tardis:Format for television stories, Thread:137474, and Forum:Discontinuity revisited. Shambala108 ☎  17:30, September 10, 2017 (UTC)

Enemy conflict
Okay, given recent edits, lets decide it here. Is the Master worth being called the enemy in this episode? I feel no, the Cybermen quickly overshadow him; he is simply indifferent in the scenario, he just chooses not to help. Yes, he kills Missy (himself?) but that's practically completely separate to the main story at play. Bar the opening, he is far from the enemy, he even helps kill a Cyberman and just simply wants to leave. So I feel the Cybermen are this episode's antagonists, not the Master. Snivystorm ☎  14:52, December 31, 2017 (UTC)
 * I agree with that analysis entirely. He was the enemy in the previous episode, he's just not relevant enough to the overall plot to be called a "main enemy" here. --Borisashton ☎  14:57, December 31, 2017 (UTC)