Talk:The Night of the Doctor (TV story)

Renaming
Not sure I agree with the proposed rename to "The Night of The Doctor (Minisode)" as other 'minisodes' use the '(TV story)' suffix (Good as Gold (TV story), Time Crash (TV story), Death Is the Only Answer (TV story), &c.). I don't know why a suffix is necessary at all (there are no other pages called Time Crash with which to distinguish the TV story from, for example), but apparently that's how you people do things here (= --92.24.43.75talk to me 12:39, November 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * I agree. This may warrant renaming, given that I believe the story was originally intended to be shown on television first, but was released early online. Memnarc ☎  23:33, November 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * Sensible. Red Button is TV.  03:09: Fri 15 Nov 2013

Requested addition
Since someone - without apparent consensus, or at least lack of discussion on this talk page - has gone and locked the article, could one of the chosen few please add to the Story Notes section the fact this is the first time in Doctor Who history that a storyline exclusively featuring incarnations of the Doctor other than the present incumbent has been released? 68.146.70.124talk to me 22:44, November 15, 2013 (UTC)


 * Consensus or discussion aren't required when an admin needs to protect a page. It was protected for the same reason as War Doctor, and you can find the reasoning at that article's talk page. Shambala108 ☎  00:41, November 16, 2013 (UTC)

TV Story
Since this is a TV story, why is it not in the Regeneration television stories cat? I'd change this myself, but the page is locked. 24.192.81.138talk to me 14:18, November 16, 2013 (UTC)

Edit request
The footage of John Hurt is taken from I, Claudius, where he plays Caligula. Something of note to add. 86.144.31.253talk to me 14:49, November 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * What's your source? 16:43: Thu 21 Nov 2013

Eighth Doctor TV Story
Is there any chance that this story will be added to the list of Eighth Doctor TV stories in the Doctor Who Television Story template? TARDIStraveler ☎  23:10, December 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * Re-asking since it's been a couple months with no response. 24.39.197.90talk to me 13:09, March 14, 2014 (UTC)
 * Whoops, sorry, logged out somehow. TARDIStraveler ☎  13:10, March 14, 2014 (UTC)


 * Done. Added. --Tangerineduel / talk 14:38, March 14, 2014 (UTC)
 * No. We don't use the template that way; we only list the stories from the original run of the Doctor. In the case of the Fifth Doctor we don't add in Time Crash, and we don't add The Three Doctors and The Five Doctors to the templates of all the Doctors who appear in them. Even if 8 is the primary Doctor in this story, it is still not part of his original run, which is the only content we list on the template. -- Bold  Clone  15:17, March 14, 2014 (UTC)
 * You're not an admin, Tangerineduel is. If he says it goes there, it goes there. Time Crash is a crossover which primarily stars the Tenth Doctor. Night though, only stars the Eighth. I'm pretty sure that's the criteria. Primary featured Doctor.
 * Wrong. The primary featured Doctor is not the criteria; the original run of the Doctor is the criteria. As a matter of fact, that's how the template is specifically designed; each heading within the template shows the original run of each Doctor, not every single subsequent appearance. -- Bold  Clone  03:50, March 15, 2014 (UTC)
 * Where does it say that? From what Tangerineduel has posted in the forum, I don't believe it says that anywhere.
 * It doesn't say that anywhere, but based on how the template was originally set up, I assumed that was the rule they were operating under; after all, the template is fundamentally designed around the original run of each Doctor. The First Doctor sub-section lists "Seasons 1-4", while the Second Doctor sub-section is titled "Seasons 4-6", etc. None of the sections include an area for subsequent appearances in multi-Doctor stories. -- Bold  Clone  18:28, March 22, 2014 (UTC)

Dalek Caan
So someone has added this to the continuity for the article: "The phrase 'no more' was the War Doctor's constant statement in TV: The Day of the Doctor, Dalek Caan upon travelling back into the Time War saw these words and uttered them as he revealed he tried to stop the Daleks. (TV: Journey's End)" While Dalek Caan does use the words "no more" in Journey's End, the notion that he saw those words while flying into the Time War seems to be purely speculatory at best, especially considering Davros' apparent death prior to his rescue is supposed to take place early on during the Time War, while the War Doctor's graffiti messages are left during the final day.

Unless there's anything explicitly stated in the show that suggests Dalek Caan saw these words, I'd recommend this section get the chop. --Ben Paddon ☎  20:49, June 7, 2015 (UTC)


 * It's been removed. I don't know if the info added was true or just speculation, but even if it is true, it can't be cited to Journey's End. Shambala108  ☎  01:52, June 8, 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't think there's any hard evidence of where Caan saw the words, but the fact that Davros's apparent death took place early in the Time War is no argument against the possibility of his having indeed seen it; even ignoring the fact that it's a Time War, we're explicitly told that in the process of breaking through the Time Lock, Caan saw "all of Time". --Scrooge MacDuck ☎  20:57, October 9, 2019 (UTC)
 * I agree. If you know how shows like DW works, then it stands clear that such connections are made. Simple throwaway lines are easily given significant meaning as the lore expands. And it stands clear that this was indeed a case of such intention. Would have been different if one of them used "never more" for example, but it stands clear because it is the EXACT same wording. --DCLM ☎  21:05, October 9, 2019 (UTC)