User talk:CzechOut

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Automaton
Hey, if you get a minute, could you move Automaton to Automaton (The Empty Planet) and change all the links. Thanks-- 16:01:05 Tue 06 Sep 2011 16:01, September 6, 2011 (UTC)

New Logo and DWA
I've unlocked my talk page. I think it was when my profile was being majorly vandalised I locked it, and the talk page was locked alongside it. So that's it open now. Thanks for the logo. I will indeed be using it. Thanks.

And I'm glad you think the idea to nuke the questions is fantastic. Would you like to become one of the admins? Because even if you're never there, if there's a major problem, it'll always he handy for you to have admin powers there.

We do actually have a policies page, although BC didn't seem to follow these either. He has since had all his powers removed and has been blocked. Now that I've reviewed the policies with just some minor changes in wordings, I'm deleting the pages.

If you'd like to help, I'm more than happy to make you an admin, but if you don't have time and would rather spend your time here, I completely understand. Thanks again. --The Thirteenth Doctor 17:26, September 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * And, do you think a bot would be useful? I emailed wikia before and they said that there was no way to delete all of the questions on the site at once, and would have to be done by hand. But, would a bot be able to do that? How difficult would it be to set up? --The Thirteenth Doctor 18:11, September 6, 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism on the Chloe Webber page.
An anonymous user is using really...questionable and un-encylopedic language on the Chloe Webber page. Already reverted once, and was re-reverted. No idea if this is the right place or person to ask, but oh well. -- Tybort (talk page) 00:29, September 7, 2011 (UTC)

A little bit of help
Hey there Czech. I'm Jo, and I'm admin of the Left 4 Dead wiki. I must say, this is a really nice looking wiki site. The last major update Wikia distributed really messed up the Left 4 Dead wiki, so I was wondering if you'd be willing to teach me a thing or two about some of the coding used here. Please let me know, I'd like to make my wiki less of an eye sore. Thanks in advanced! 00:55, September 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * I particularly liked the templates for protected pages. (The little tabs on the left side of the frame). 01:13, September 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah. Hm. Well I as going to use them for featured articles since our previous featured templates overlap over Wikia's stuff on the right side of the frame. Not sure how it messes up old browsers though. Hopefully no one will mind. 01:57, September 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh yes, I can understand how that's an issue. I'm more than certain a few users will complain about monitor size being an issue. But I've still got a few more ideas that might work...Thank you so much for your help. I really appreciated it. :) From one Whovian to another. 02:14, September 8, 2011 (UTC)

More cleanup of the Tersurus --> UNIT years Master
After your merger of Tersurus into UNIT years, the locked Template:Masters now needs the "Tersurus" bit to be removed. -- Tybort (talk page) 02:04, September 8, 2011 (UTC)

CC-BY-SA & the New Editor
I did look briefly into the CC BY SA 2.0, at least one other wiki has it in use. But if you think this isn't enough then I'll send off a report.

New Editor

I missed the preview button, then I realised it's white, I'd imagine that this is part of the problematic change over.

Do Wikia think? Ever? Or do they just keep adding bad features?

Although, I didn't like "Wiki skin"/"Oasis". and grew to live with it. Being able to shove away the right hand side thing is good. But not being able to scroll the whole page, bad. I like to have what I'm focusing on in the middle of the screen

Yes, I shall send off a report, tomorrow, when I'm less likely to rant/swear at them, at the moment I want to mess around and see the extent of their thoughtlessness. --Tangerineduel / talk 13:55, September 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm going to tackle the less complicated issue, that I already tackled last message and that's of CC 2.0. Don't worry about it, the feature that exists now where you can upload pics or grab them from Flikr (which is incidentally where I got all the images that have the CC 2.0 license on them from) attaches the CC 2.0 licence to it. And while we know Wikia makes some idiotic decisions I don't think they'd make this sort of mistake.


 * Now onto the bigger more complicated question that I want to avoid.


 * The switch to Oasis didn't make me want to leave, countless other things didn't make me want to leave.


 * This does, it's made the editor so unsuable I'm seriously thinking of just going and I dunno, editing Wikipedia where they don't make these stupid design decisions.


 * I really feel for you, considering I don't know how many days (weeks/months?) that you've spent trying to make this site look as good as it did.


 * I think we need two forum topics, one Tech notes/Important messages that is just an announcement for:
 * Stuff that doesn't work.
 * Stuff that partially works.
 * Stuff that hasn't changed.
 * Workarounds.
 * Other stuff.


 * Then another forum topic for reports with the same basic headings; Not working, Partially working, workarounds.


 * We should also have a link to the Special:Contact page so people can go straight to them and to Sarah Manley's blog page as well.


 * Both should be just reports not discussions, maybe a third for I dunno people to discuss it?


 * I sometimes think frustration is good, in that I hope it will force editors to put that frustration into words and send it to Wikia, or alternatively it will drive people away and therefore show Wikia there's been a drop in traffic because of this new change. Or is this too harsh an approach?


 * Monobook is an option (weren't wikia going to turn it off at some point?), but I don't think it's a valid one for us to send anyone to. It should be the very last resort.


 * Firstly I think you need to absolve yourself of all responsibility :). Then make up a big sign pointing towards Wikia central, and then kick back with a cold/hot beverage. Hopefully this will make the headache go away.


 * I don't think we need to get too involved with the user fallout. As I've said two forums or three, the third would be a venting one I'd say. Wikia central for more information and their forums.


 * I think if we have things like that in place where people can see what isn't and what is working and that we didn't just turn it on for shits and giggles and that it's another of Wikia's "quirks" of trying to make the sites under its bosom function better for "new editors" (its reason for most changes) while fraking around with the user experience of everyone else. Then I think editors will understand. --Tangerineduel / talk 13:42, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

Pictures
If you're referring to the Silent and Uncle images, then I didn't upload those. I only got as far as Nephew on that page. I added copyright to all of the images I uploaded, as I did that on 30th August, when it was necessary to add copyright using the uploader. 18:29: Thu 9 Sep 2011

Ah, I see. I got the impression that you were referring to photos uploaded yesterday. I'll be sure to use Special:MultipleUpload in future. 21:58: Thu 9 Sep 2011

Re: Chat
To answer your question, what I meant by "the code almost worked" was that while it did align the the TOC, it still pushed the rest of the content beneath it. However, I've found that making an extra box underneath the infobox as part of the template prevents that problem. So thanks for helping me! Dolphanatic    Talk     Contributions

EMAIL
What's your email? I'd like to contact you. DomeSeven 15:15, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

Forum fault
I seem to be experiencing a very strange bug, whenever I try to publish a new topic at the forums (inc. The Howling), I'm just redirected a search page. Do you know why this is happening?-- 19:00, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

Categories
In regards to the category comment you left on my page mentioning bots - the main thing I was doing was removing duplicate categories. For example, pages that were in "Category: Stories set in London" and "Category: Stories set in England". If there's a way a bot can go and do this for multiple categories - great. One thing to watch out for, is what Mini-Mitch said on my talk page about pages occasionally needing to be in both a category and its sub-category (eg. The End of Time, where parts are set in London and parts elsewhere in England). If you're able to program a bot that meets these requirements then great. Let me know if you're able so I know I can stop making these sorts of edits.

Thanks, Aliyoda 21:12, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

The Mutants
If you have a minute, could you change the links that lead to The Mutants (comic story) and The Mutants (comic story) so that they lead to The Mutants (comic story). Thanks-- 18:13, September 10, 2011 (UTC)

Interface
Could you move Interface to Interface (short story)? Thanks-- 21:10, September 10, 2011 (UTC)

Infobox Actor
Hi, I'm back to pester you some more with Infobox Actor. Actually it's a very small bug; when the Official site field and/or the Twitter field are filled in but IMDb is not, the link gets thrown to the left edge of the page like so. It's not a huge urgent deal since pretty much everyone has an IMDb, but I thought I should bring it to your attention. Rob T Firefly 12:17, September 11, 2011 (UTC)

Customized Search Field
Hi CzechOut! I really like the customized search field on this wiki and want to have one on the Hogwarts RPG Wiki. Do you think you could tell me how to add one? Thanks!

UNIT dating controversy
Now that I've considered things, I suppose that the reference to the "UNIT era" doesn't really add anything to the UNIT dating controversy page, though I have one question: where does it say the events of DW: The Invasion is set in 1979? Even the 1979 and The Invasion pages don't say or imply it. -- Tybort (talk page) 17:22, September 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * In fact, the Continuity section of The Invasion states "late 1960s or 1970s". -- Tybort (talk page) 17:33, September 12, 2011 (UTC)

WikiaOasis skin labeling
Hi, I noticed you edited MediaWiki:New-look to be "Wikia — sometimes called Oasis – skin". Now, if you look closely, there's first &mdash; (mdash) and then – (ndash). I assume it wasn't intention to be mixing them like this, thus I'm letting you know of this. (: –Tm_T (Talk) 18:16, September 12, 2011 (UTC)

One for the bot
Hey, a user has moved The Star Beast, The Dogs of Doom, The Time Witch and The Iron Legion to Doctor Who and the Star Beast, Doctor Who and the Dogs of Doom, Doctor Who and the Time Witch and Doctor Who and the Iron Legion respectively. Of course, they didn't have a care to remember the links, except the ones in the template. I don't suppose you could work your magic and switch them over. Most grateful-- 19:53, September 12, 2011 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Common.css‎‎ font size
The changes you have made to this have increased the font size on this wiki to the point where I have to zoom out in order to be able to read it. Please make the needed corrections as soon as you can. Thank you. Doug86 01:47, September 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for fixing it, it's much more readable now. Doug86 02:03, September 15, 2011 (UTC)

More racist vandalism
Since you seem to be the go-to guy for dealing with racist comments, here's another one: They Keep Killing Suzie (though it's thankfully not been edited back-and-forth). -- Tybort (talk page) 19:55, September 15, 2011 (UTC)

'Greeks Bearing Gifts' vandalism
My apologies for getting in touch over such a annoying issue, but I've just fixed (or attempted to fix) the 'Greeks Bearing Gifts' page after the article suffered some major vandalism, with the entire article being changed to a load of racist and inappropriate remarks. May I push for some kind of blocks against the IP that made those edits? Once again, apologies for getting in touch for this kind of action Baziel 20:01, September 15, 2011 (UTC)

Sometimes I wonder why...
Just thought I'd run this past you as clicking support makes you jump through a few extra hoops than the last time I did it, and you've been around the 'blocking people' forums lately re BC.

"WhoDoctor" Doctor Who Wiki. User:CharmeRuler, the only user who's editing this "wiki" left a request on my talk page (and Clone gunner comanda jedi and your bot's talk pages) asking how to create templates (I rolled back the edit to the bot's talk page so the redirect continues to function).

Do we just contact wikia staff to request a removal/deleting of the wiki? The wiki appears to have been created a few days ago and the reading listed for the move to "Doctor Who Wiki" is "SEO". The user has already been blocked from the Charmed Wiki. --Tangerineduel / talk 13:37, September 17, 2011 (UTC)

TOC limit
Hey, I created TOC limit but it needs adapting into the css. Sorry to burden you with additional work, but we do need something to control these unruly contents. There's no rush of course, so please don't go out of your way. Thanks-- 10:40, September 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * p.s If/When you think its a load of rubbish feel free to punch it in the face.

Please tell me how to get a bot

Categories related to Torchwood (team)
A while back, I removed examples pertaining to the Miracle Day Torchwood allies, enemies and personnel from the categories Torchwood Three allies, Torchwood Three enemies and Torchwood Three personnel. I did state my reason quite clearly: "Whatever we call it, that Torchwood certainly isn't Torchwood Cardiff.", which Redranger241 has since added them all back, with no apparent reason given. Am I seriously missing something? I understand whether it's part of the Institute has been up for debate, but it's not Torchwood Three at all. Should I talk with the aforementioned editor? I'd probably have asked for the admins' advice earlier, but I was just completely baffled by these edits. -- Tybort (talk page) 15:40, September 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * Relatedly, people have been adding them to the main Torchwood Three page, too. -- Tybort (talk page) 18:55, September 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, even if you have a point of simply changing the categories to simply "Torchwood enemies" etc., Jack's Torchwood is pretty autonomous, so I think it makes sense for the Cardiff branch's history and ideals to be separated as the page Torchwood Three at the very least (and yes, I realise it's usually simply called "Torchwood"). -- Tybort (talk page) 18:08, September 20, 2011 (UTC)

Problems with Monobook changes
With the current changes made to Monobook, all the text is in lower case and the toolbar to the side is at the bottom of the page instead of to the right. Please fix as soon as you can. Thank you. Doug86 06:43, September 20, 2011 (UTC)

No worry
when or if you coyuld could u give me a list of pages that need wrewrighting or updated

Nintendo
Seem to be having a little trouble with CharmeRuler on the Nintendo page, who is confusing "Cultural references from the real world" pages with pages that have a Real World POV, apparently because the phrase "Real world" is in both. I explained my reasoning, but he just added his old bit back. -- Tybort (talk page) 23:00, September 21, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry about that!
Thanks for the heads up! I just figured something like salt wouldn't come up enough to warrant its own page, but then again if porcupine has a page, then I guess anything's fair game. Memnarc 06:40, September 23, 2011 (UTC)

Site behaving weirdly - Firefox
I'm seeing just the text for all the templates in Firefox. I've done the usual; cleared the cache etc. It's made no difference. In Opera and Safari none of the images for the real world templates show through and none of the glowyness (though I seem to recall that being an issue). But both are functioning a lot better than Firefox is at the moment.

I also couldn't leave a message for you under Firefox (it just went to "publishing" and then went to preview instead.

Is this just part of the on-going Wikia-based issues that's been going on for the past few days or something else? Thanks. --Tangerineduel / talk 14:53, September 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * Firefox is acting up again. The page banners, such as the spoiler and real world ones appear only as text, and the "protected" banner appears on the page rather than on the outside. I've cleared my cache, but it does not seem to help the problem. MM/ Want to talk? 13:07, October 1, 2011 (UTC)

Adding the same category multiple times
Adding "Stories released in 1973" twice was a complete accident. Bare in mind that is past one o'clock in the morning for me. I have to admit that I was sort of on autopilot as regards adding categories to pages and must have simply forgotten to go to the next page after posting "Stories released in 1973". I can assure you that it was nothing more than an honest mistake. I admit that I may have added the same category more than once to other pages today due to tiredness and/or carelessness but it was certainly not a conscious choice. If so, I apologise but I'm not nor have I ever been a cheater. It's just not in me, frankly.

P.S. I neither need nor want extra points for the Game of Rassilon as it'd be unfair to other users. GusF 00:17, September 24, 2011 (UTC)


 * Just add a look at The Amateur and, as it turns out, I didn't even add "Stories released in 1973" twice after all. I added "Stories released in 1973" and then "Stories released in 1974" as the story was published between December 1973 and January 1974. GusF 00:22, September 24, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, I'm glad that we've gotten that misunderstanding cleared up. I'll try to be more observant in the future when adding categories. To answer your question, it was seemingly reprinted as a Fourth Doctor story in issues 1390 to 1396 of TV Comic. In other words, from 4th August to 15th September 1978.--GusF 01:05, September 24, 2011 (UTC)

Siggie Help?
Hey, CzechOut. I customized my time stamp on a different wiki, and I was wondering about how you customized your time stamp to such an extent (borders, colours, etc.) without putting it on your /sig page. I couldn't fit all of my customization on my custom signature box on my preferences, so I put it on my /sig page, but now I realize that it'll change every time the time changes, instead of staying at the time when I signed my message. Help? ~Wildheart (talk)

P.S. I'd sign properly, but the way my signature is set up is slightly different on the other wiki, so it wouldn't work.

Awesome. Thank you so much. I figured it out :3 Also, how come you use two subpages for everything? On the wiki I use most frequently (Warriors Wiki) we only have one subpage, and we put something like this up: User:Wildheart7/Sig. To me, it just seems more complicated to have two subpages; how come? ~Wildheart (talk)

Oh, well, the "Nosubst" after the "SUBST:" makes sure it looks just like a template instead of all that extensive coding. It works just the same as having two subpages. ~Wildheart (talk)
 * CzechOut, slight problem with your sig, the border partially obscures text on the line above. Digifiend 15:43, October 9, 2011 (UTC)

And another
I've created another achievement track over at the test wiki. Could you take a look? Here's a short cut: http://tardistest.wikia.com/wiki/Special:AchievementsCustomize Thanks-- 17:03, September 24, 2011 (UTC)

Pond Problem
It seems an IP has deleted everything at Amy Pond, and then another editor has added some categories, so I cannot undo it as it is two edits. Can you revert it, please? Glimmer721 20:10, September 24, 2011 (UTC)

Hey
I can't go on to chat.... Sorry if Ive got 10 minuets to not being kick booted.

?
Hi cezchout what is admin? (unwise wiki guy)

SIgniter to unwise wiki guy --Metardis 19:34, September 25, 2011 (UTC)

deletetion
hi czech, sorry if this is vandilisim or against the wika policy but apparrentley the page: silence (species). needs to be deleted thanks, Metardis 11:39, September 26, 2011 (UTC)

Question
Hi czechout, am I allowed to remove from my talk page or is that against the vandilsim policy--Metardis 11:14, September 27, 2011 (UTC)

Fire at will
Yes, 100% yes. Sure, its not the best event to found a partnership on, but its a start. I think we should thoroughly support out "language partners" on every frontier.-- 17:27, September 27, 2011 (UTC)

Just FYI, spammers...
If you see me (or another VSTF member) deleting pages due to spam, there's no need to block them here on the TARDIS wiki, as we will have blocked them Wikia-wide. Just so you know. -- sulfur 14:09, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

The Wedding Of River Song.
The Radio Times and the BBC website confirms this as the title of episode 13, series 6.

The deletion order was therefore incorrect. This error needs to be corrected.

RedMarston talk to me 21:05, September 30, 2011 (UTC)

New info: today's Digital TV listings have confirmed the title to be 'The Wedding of River Song'.

RedMarston talk to me 15:32, October 1, 2011 (UTC)

MM/ Want to talk? 22:26, October 1, 2011 (UTC)

Re: button styling
Hi, thought it would be the best to move this discussion here as its for this wiki afterall. haven't got a chance to check this yet further than it looks working just fine with Opera 10 (mobile), assume the problem is with newer version then? Opera and Mozilla documentation in overall has details of differences, can try locating a some list or collection. –Tm_T (Talk) 10:37, October 2, 2011 (UTC)

What about this? CharmeRuler

Vandalism of DAY OF TH MOON
I am just going through the early episodes of seaosn six and noticed that someone has done some vandalism on DAY OF THE MOON in the opening section. I believe it to be an anonymous contributor, and will do a full-article edit -- as I had planned and leave it to the tech people to figure out who it is. Boblipton talk to me 01:06, October 4, 2011 (UTC)

Editing "The Doctor"
Just a note to mention that I like the changes you are making after my latest clean-up of the article. I am very conservative about changing the article's structure, finding enough to do in scouring off the blather. Your reworking of "Family" is particularly nice. Boblipton talk to me 15:36, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

The Minister of Chance
Hi, when creating the pages for The Minister of Chance I had no idea that the production team had seperated themselves from the DWU. So now I know that, I have no opposition to you deleting the pages, thanks for letting me know though. --Revan\Talk 07:56, October 7, 2011 (UTC)

Firefox issues
It seems Firefox is perennially broken. Is it Mozilla's often updates, Wikia? Or is it just me? The issues are what's been seen before, templates not working, show/hide issues, basically all and everything. I've done all the clearing and refreshing. I've been hoping these are issues that would be sorted, but it's been going on for at least a week (I think), but I've been holding off annoying you about it till now, hoping it would fix itself. --Tangerineduel / talk 14:02, October 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for keeping me up to date. While this issue is irritating it doesn't prevent me (or anyone else) from using the site. Also thanks for leaping to the problem so quickly (I was really hoping it was just one of those potholes in Wikia's system that would fill and repair on itself own...I know, that's asking a bit. But I was hopeful it was just a hiccup in the system). I'll keep in mind in future to contact you if it doesn't go away after 24 hours. --Tangerineduel / talk 15:01, October 8, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Block
Well, I can hardly say no after that :). Yeah, I suppose, if he says he will now abide by policy there's no reason to keep him under lock and key. I didn't want to block him, but it seems it was what it took for the guy take a hint. Right, justification over - I'll unblock him now (and if he does anything wrong, be it on your head!)-- 19:29, October 7, 2011 (UTC)

Dalekese
I noticed you deleted the page about the Dalekese language because "there is no narrative source for this information. information which exists SOLELY in a reference work can't have its own page." In my opinion, that shouldn't be a reason why it shouldn't have its own page because it's a part of Dalek culture as we do have other articles based on information found in the book, but is there anyway we could still add this information somewhere to the wiki as it's from an official source? --Victory93 talk to me 09:06, October 9, 2011 (UTC) Also on a further note, the article Silcronian which has been kept which includes information that appears to be only in the book, would this come under a different subject or the same, additionally the book goes into in-depth including diagrams of Dalek technology which only appears in this book. Would they also warrant articles? Plus further saying on the topic of Polly, could we just simply state somewhere how this is an error and ignore it much like how Wirrn is mispelled Wirrrn or how in Doctor Who: 100 Scariest Monsters Kaldor is mispelled Caldor? I mean they're just simple continuity errors that can be ignored. --Victory93 talk to me 10:05, October 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * I see. But The Dalek Pocketbook and Space Travellers Guide is an official reference book by Terry Nation who of course owns all rights to the Dalek universe. So even though most of the information in there might conflict with post-Genesis of the Daleks history, couldn't the subject still be considered for an article?


 * Oh wait, I think you think that this is unofficial source material. The Dalek Pocketbook and Space Travellers Guide was written by Terry Nation about the dalek universe making it official. --Victory93 talk to me 10:08, October 9, 2011 (UTC)

Picture
I thought that the reason why the Season 6 episode pages have not so many pictures is that the images were deleted because of spoilers. Now I get what you meant and thank you. :)

Proposition
I see what you mean by when it's something said in a narrative and not in a reference book. But that doesn't mean we can't include this sort of information. It's pretty obvious that Polly Lopez, Caldor and Wirrrn are errors but it doesn't mean that with one error that the whole book doesn't count.

Lets look at the Star Wars wiki for example. There are of course heaps of things in the Star Wars universe which havn't been mentioned in any narrative material however are discussed in official reference material which on the wiki, articles have been created about it. In addition in the past there has been numerous material which has made an error to already placed continuity, saying something else, or has a spelling error about someone or something's name, but that simple mistake doesn't mean that the entire book doesn't count. In regards to an article on the Star wars wiki, any mistake that has been made in reference material, a note is included at the bottom of the article stating which book or source material has made this certain mistake to let fans know.

In recent Doctor Who reference material, there has been some in-universe information (not in a narrative form) that has given more explanation about the Doctor and the TARDIS which doesn't conflict with existing canon. In the Visual Dictionary, it explains about the dimension which the TARDIS console room exists. The time sceptre which is a structure that floats within that dimension is where the console room sits and other rooms of the TARDIS stem out from that spire.

Here is a proposition I would like to make which I hope both of us can agree on and we could use for the TARDIS wiki. Any information which is found in a narrative (episodes, novels, audios, comcis etc.) is straight away used and even if it conflicts with already established information, we can simply explain how the two might coincide. For example the novel Bullet Time conflicts with how Sarah Jane is still alive but we've included both instances and included an explanation on how they exist. With reference material which includes in-universe information that might not appear in narrative material, if it doesn't conflict with anything, then it counts and we can include it in an article or an article for itself. However if it says something else which conflicts with already existing canon, then obviously that is an error and we simply don't include that small bit of information, however we make a small note somewhere on the article of the material and the subject explaining how that particular information is incorrect. For example on the article Kaldor, I was to add in the behind the scenes section the following statement "In the reference book Doctor Who: 100 Scariest Monsters, Kaldor is mispelled Caldor" and with Wirrn "In numerous material, Wirrn has been sometimes mispelled Wirrrn" which we can do soemthing similar with Polly in her article. Already this sort of method is used in the numerous other wikis which have come into this sort of situation, I can't see why we can't do the same. --Victory93 talk to me 00:00, October 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well we wouldn't be including behind-the-scenes material as that is real world material. Just IN-UNIVERSE material which expands on those subjects and characters in the DWU. For instance it is mentioned in the show that the TARDIS console room exists in another dimension but they don't appear to expand on that any further. If you look in Doctor Who: The Visual Dictionary on page 16 on the inside-flap, you'll see that it goes in-depth detailing about this dimension and how the console room is part of this structure called the time sceptre. This is all I mean, reference material which is about the DWU and looks at it from an in-universe perspective, no behind-the-scenes, no interviews, nothing real-world. With the subject of Dalekese in The Dalek Pocketbook and Space Travellers Guide, it merely expands on Dalek culture from an in-universe perspective, not a behind-the-scnes real world view. --Victory93 talk to me 05:14, October 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * I have been reading what you've said, and like I've said we would not be including any references which are OUT-OF-UNIVERSE (OOU) but that are IN-UNIVERSE. OOU would be considered behind-the-scenes and we'd be only including anything which comes from an in-universe perspective. --Victory93 talk to me 05:20, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

This isn't about a deletion rationale, this is about in-universe material featured in a reference source. A reference work can be a source of information about an in-universe subject and can expand about it which hasn't been revealed in a narrative. It's possible dividing single works into parts that are valid sources and parts that aren't. For example, the content of a book might be in-universe however an author's note or a behind the scenes section would be out of universe. If you look at the The Gallifrey Chronicles (illustrated guide), it features a detailed history about Gallifrey which is IN-UNIVERSE whilst the publisher's summary on the back of the book is OUT-OF-UNIVERSE. Using this official page here as an example: http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/dw/characters/The_Silence

"The Silence are a terrifying race who invaded Earth at an undetermined point in our history. They have powers of telepathy and can kill using a deadly discharge from their hands. But every Silent has a far eerier ability...

Even if you see a Silent, you won't know you've spotted it as Silence somehow edit themselves from an observer's memory. Glimpse one of these creatures and you may feel slightly unsettled the moment it's out of view, but you won't remember anything about it. If and when you next see a Silent you may have a flashback to your first encounter, but again, when the Silent is out of view your mind will not recall ever seeing the alien.

The Silence were defeated when the Doctor ensured the world saw footage of a Silent apparently ordering people to attack them on sight. This 'command' acted like a post-hypnotic suggestion and humans finally turned on the aliens."

This is in-universe reference. Whilst this news article: http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/dw/news/bulletin_110928_01/Doctor_Who_Confidential_The_Finale is out-of-universe reference. The Monster Files series which is presented by Captain Jack is obviously an IN-UNIVERSE reference source but there is no narrative to it. This map here of Skaro featured in the The Dalek Pocketbook and Space Travellers Guide: http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/File:The_Dalography_of_Skaro.jpg It is in-universe material however it appears in a reference source but there is no narrative to it.

This map of Leadworth from The Brilliant Book 2011: http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/File:Map_of_Leadworth.jpg It is in-universe material found in a reference source but there is no narrative to it.

Now do you see what I'm trying to explain to you? The quality of how something is explained, whether good or bad shouldn't be considered a factor, only whether it's explained from an in-universe perspective is what matters. We don't need to create a list on material which we consider good much like how we don't need a list on how each episode is considered good or bad from a fan's point of view.

I mean would it count if the reference was read by Captain Jack, then would it be considered in-universe? It would be Out of universe if it were read by John Barrowmen.

If you watch this video from the video game Wolverine's Revenge as an example of in-universe referencing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3dmm4yBeVY It is deatils about the character read from the point of view of Charles Xavier. There is no narrative here but it explains a part of the universe from an in-universe perspective which you should know there is no real person named Wolverine, much like how we know there is no such planet called Gallifrey in the real world.

This wiki itself is a great example. This article about the Doctor: http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/The_Doctor Is a reference source from an in-universe perspective would you not agree? (apart from the behind-the-scenes section at the bottom)

Whilst this article about the documentary Dalekmania: http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Dalekmania_(documentary) Is a reference source from an out-of-universe perspective, not to mention the documentary itself is an out-of-universe perspective.

--Victory93 talk to me 06:42, October 10, 2011 (UTC)