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HarveyWallbanger wrote: tending "native Gallifreyan who isn't a Time Lord", that fits both for the original Tectun and the group of outsiders - that is, Gallifreyans that are not in the Citadel, are not Time Lords, are out of the Elite. I don't even know what you're talking about. Just… just read through Shobogan again. The very first reference to Shobogans ever (in The Deadly Assassin) shows them to be active within the Citadel, and they are later defined as "New Age Academy dropouts". They cannot be the same thing as the original Shobogans presented by Chibnall, because they're not a distinct people/strain, but rather the result of unserious Time Lord students dropping out of the Academy before they graduate.

Or at least, some accounts definitely hold that they're something else than a species, and that was the consensus until Chibnall rolled around. Being that do not, cannot, should not privilege a random story over another simply because one is recent and glossy and televised, I think the split is the best way forward.