Forum:Decoupling Help from Community Central

Opening Post
I think this proposal is relatively obvious in its basic principle. If we maintain our own Help pages we allow for more specialized advice for editors/users than what they would get from Community Central, and it's not like we can't link to the CC Help pages within these pages. For instance, compare our version of Editing with CC's.

Some level of admin action will need to be undertaken immediately to try to decouple the two, as well as to try to save some of the pages that are lost, if possible. (For instance, T:FAITH seems to just be gone. User:Najawin/Assume good faith redirects to a blank page, and while these redirects on User:Najawin/Sandbox 6 will get you to the pages that are largely inaccessible, you can't view the edit history or edit them as a regular user. Trying to do so sends you to CC.) After that, there might need to be a project to update them, as some of them are quite old, but that's secondary to actually recovering what's been deleted. If y'all like, we can also use this thread to discuss some rewrites for various help pages that have been neglected over the years or can't be recovered. Najawin ☎  02:52, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Discussion
Also, as a note to admins: The notice that exists when you make a new post, the little drop down in the editor from the triangle with the exclamation point, it still says "You're also posting to a spoiler-free area. Please avoid posting information about the narrative of any unreleased story — even if that information has appeared in an official press release, trailer or clip." Should probably be tweaked. Najawin ☎  02:52, 25 May 2023 (UTC)


 * I support this proposal. As a new user, I found it really hard to work out stuff, infoboxes in particular. Having wiki-specific, detailed, factual help pages would be massively helpful. Aquanafrahudy ☎  07:03, 25 May 2023 (UTC)


 * I support the general idea of reviving our own help pages. One project I have on my long-term to-do list is to create some form of tutorial series on the technical aspects of wiki editing, like template creation. While not exactly the same as what you're proposing here, I felt that it was similar enough to bring up: anything that helps us gain new editors by making it easier for them to learn is good. As an admin, I also cannot view the edit history of our old, CC-redirecting, help pages in the normal way either. However, what I can do is use Special:MergeHistory to merge the edit history of these lost pages into some other page which then lets you view them. As a test, I did this on T:FAITH and recovered the edit history to User:Bongolium500/T:FAITH. I can do this for other pages on request. Examining the edit history shows that there never actually was anything there. We will probably need to create a lot of these pages from scratch. Bongo50   ☎  18:52, 25 May 2023 (UTC)


 * This is a great idea, but yeah, the "from scratch" part will be a lot of effort. Seems like something to add to the to-do list, so to speak, while keeping the Community Central redirects in the meantime. – n8 (☎) 21:03, 28 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Seems reasonable. Perhaps as an ongoing project we either keep this thread open and keep adding sections where we discuss specific Help pages or open up a Help page to rewrite every 2-4 weeks. Or just play it by ear. Najawin ☎  21:42, 28 May 2023 (UTC)


 * I like this idea. Bongo50   ☎  18:45, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

Well, if we're doing this, should we just start on rewriting T:FAITH? It's one we tend to reference a fair bit. Najawin ☎  07:31, 16 June 2023 (UTC)


 * That seems like a good place to start. Bongo50   ☎  16:54, 16 June 2023 (UTC)


 * I support this, tbh I'm still a little annoyed that all those help pages got nuked. Over the years there was a lot of effort put into making everything as helpful as it could be (I know we missed the mark a lot of the time however). I think given our unique take on things there needs to be specific to this wiki help pages. --Tangerineduel / talk 06:33, 17 June 2023 (UTC)