Howling:Hmm

The 50th was good but it had the john hurt arc which has not been going on for a long time

the christmas episode will see the climax of the silence hopefully and trenzelore will return

My theory is that the doctor doesnt die at trenzalore

What if since clara never met peter capaldi in her "Other Lives" what if the 11 dies and then regenerates as 12 but his grave is left behhind Orangerichard56 ☎  16:29, November 24, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, it is a bit of a mystery. Because the Doctor's time stream is on Trenzalore when he dies. Does he die or does he regenerate. It does not seem to make sense. He has to live for Capaldi's doctor and the show to continue --Catkind121 21:43, November 24, 2013 (UTC)

Clara seemed to take meeting Hurt pretty matter-of-factly, not even asking why she did not know him. Does that imply that 11 provided her with more explanation between picking her up and when we see her again at Coal Hill School?

Since it was made clear that 10 will forget it all, having him learn that The Doctor will die in a battle with millions at Trenzalore almost guarantees that that is Not what ultimately happens. The time line that brought him to Trenzalore included using the Moment to end the Time War. Since that did not happen, his "future" from now on will be a bit different, particularly with the Galifrey Quest. On the other hand, will the Time Lords, could the Time Lords, as bad as they had become, return and just revert to their Pre-war character? If they did come back, and Rasillion was still leading them, would they not seek revenge upon the Daleks? And so simply re-start the Time War? Not knowing why the Doctor was battling at Trenzalore leaves a great big void. And it may be that for some reason Clara-ghosts of the future Doctors cannot share their knowledge with Clara proper. And then there is also the River Song matter to sort out. Clara has Jack's Vortex Manipulator. Is it possibly destined to be the one River uses?Phil Stone ☎  04:14, November 25, 2013 (UTC)


 * Jack and River used the same sonic blaster, but likely not the same vortex manipulator, as River got hers (or, at least one of hers) from Doriam "off the wrist of a handsome Time Agent…I said off the wrist". —BioniclesaurKing4t2 - "Hello, I'm the Doctor. Basically, . . . run." 04:26, November 25, 2013 (UTC)


 * To be fair, technically that could possibly still be Jack's vortex manipulator that River ended up with. Considering Jack's ultimate regeneration abilities, it seems perfectly logical that they could have cut his hand off, and he just grew it back. (How they managed to subdue him in the first place would be a mystery, but still in the realm of possibility.) I've always wondered about this, because it was interesting that Doriam went out of his way to say "handsome" time agent. That could have very well been a nod to the fact that it was indeed Jack, and leaves an opening for them to claim that as the case later on.
 * --Saghan ☎  06:18, November 26, 2013 (UTC)

It's all very simple: The Doctor goes to Trenzalore three times.


 * Saghan, I have to say that's pretty brilliant. People (including myself) always say that it couldn't have been Jack because of the wrist thing, and we are completely forgetting his regenerative abilities. Shambala108 ☎  04:47, November 30, 2013 (UTC)