Howling:Dalek army and Cyberking?

I'm not sure how the Doctor could have encountered Davros' Dalek army in The Stolen Earth/Journey's End or the Cyberking in The Next Doctor in the first place, because if you think about it, they had already been erased from existence. The proof of this is the fact that in Silence in the Library, the Doctor first meets River Song. This episode takes place before TSE/JE in the Doctor's timeline, but the River here is from a point long after her adventures in Series 5 and 6. If River's future already exists, then her past must have also happened, including her experiences with the Time Cracks. And because the Cracks must also have already happened, then they must also have already erased the Daleks and Cyberking! Any thoughts on this? 82.20.113.152talk to me 21:03, August 2, 2012 (UTC)

wibbely wobbely timey wimey. go check the archives. there has already been extensive talk on this and related topics. i suggest the thread entitled if the doctor never existed... Imamadmad ☎  05:44, August 3, 2012 (UTC)

Could you provide me with a link to that discussion thread, please? Just so I can see where we got up to there? Not sure if we ever talked about the Cracks already having spread, and been sealed up by the time of Series 4. 82.20.113.152talk to me 21:26, August 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * Howling:If the doctor never existed.... Very few time travel stories in every franchise make sense if you think about them to much though. That's particularly true in Doctor Who, where the modern world only exists because the Doctor always shows up whenever the Earth is invaded in the past. The cracks are probably the most confusing arc that the show has ever done. I think it sort of works though if we assume that the events were in erased after Big Bang 2 though. Of course, that still means that the River from the library had already experienced Big Bang 2, which means that it already happened...somehow.Icecreamdif ☎  02:14, August 4, 2012 (UTC)

It doesn't necessarily mean that "the River from the library had already experienced Big Bang 2". What we saw was River's visit to the Library & her death in the original universe. For the most part, the rebooted (post-Big Bang 2) universe is the same, with the same events -- but only for the most part; there are differences (erased invasions, for example). Of course, we've no way of knowing (unless Moffat chooses to tell us) how those differences might affect River's death in the Library. There might be no real effect except in the details of River's memories. For this topic, though, a difference there would be critical. --89.241.66.48talk to me 03:23, August 5, 2012 (UTC)