Talk:Zellin

Zellin and Rakaya not Eternals?
Based on the episode script at http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/writersroom/scripts/doctor-who-s12-ep7-can-you-hear-me.pdf Zellin considers himself and Rakaya to be immortals but not Eternals.

EDIT: To clarify, this is in the episode as it aired too, not just in the script.

From the script:

''We immortals need our games, Doctor. Eternity is long -- and we are cursed to see it all. The Eternals have their games, the Guardians have their power struggles. For me, this dimension is a beautiful board for a game. The toymaker would approve. ''

The Guide to the Dark Times apparently has a picture of them under 'Eternals' though. So which is right?

-- Irrevenant ☎  03:52, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
 * See my response at Talk:Rakaya. Shambala108 ☎  03:59, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
 * The line, on its own, would seem to imply that he and Rakaya are a distinct group from the Eternals, yes. I think this was probably the original intent, too, as far as TV: Can You Hear Me? is concerned. But as you say PROSE: The Guide to the Dark Times shows them to quite definitively be Eternals, while the line is merely implying that they're not, maybe kinda.


 * Because here's the thing, the line you quote doesn't quite rule out Zellin being an Eternal; you can certainly imagine, I dunno, the Master, speaking of "the Time Lords" without including himself in the lot. Note also how, in his little lecture on how the various immortals of N-Space spend eternity, Zellin characterises the Eternals by saying that they "have their games", and then… notes that he sees N-Space as a board for "a game". Scrooge MacDuck ☎  04:00, 30 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi Shambala108. The line was in the episode as it aired too, not just the script.  I've edited my original comment to make that clearer.  Scrooge MacDuck makes a valid point though, and I concede to his judgement on this. --Irrevenant  ☎  04:15, 30 January 2021 (UTC)


 * To be fair Scrooge, the point is also made that mere immortals need games, so that reading doesn't quite work. I think the "intent isn't explicit" line is really all we have. Najawin ☎  04:43, 30 January 2021 (UTC)