Talk:Hellscape (series)

Non-coverage
What is the basis behind us not covering the rest of Hellscape? The only reason given on this site is a link to a seemingly random user on GallifreyBase talking about the situation. No context is given as to who this user is and why we should believe their version of events over the BBV people. DrWHOCorrieFan ☎  23:25, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Does BBV deny that the FP rights have been taken from them? Which is what GB is being used as a citation for. (Also, there's far more evidence for that than just that GB comment.) Najawin ☎  17:33, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * The official stance of BBV is that the rights were removed however the agreement was that they could continue using the Faction Paradox license for the rest of Hellscape S1 (which includes all releases until Lilith Fades). I don't see the "far more evidence" listed on the page where it should be? Who is that GB user and why should they be trusted? DrWHOCorrieFan ☎  19:57, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Technically I believe the agreement was to use the FP license for all works they currently had in production which they claim included all of Hellscape S1 - a claim many people doubt, but I digress. The GB user, Jacob Keith, was involved in other FP BBV productions. I also, you note, didn't say that there was far more evidence on this page, and that claim was about the rights being stripped. I'm not sure what your objection here is, since you agree that the page is accurate. Najawin ☎  20:26, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * There's been no explicit ruling to not cover this series, User:NightmareofEden just deleted a redlink on their own. Indeed, there can be no ruling because the forums are down. My guess is just that nobody here cares to actually do upkeep on this series. Najawin ☎  20:28, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I do not agree that the page is "accurate" if, by your own admission, there is "far more evidence" that isn't even on the page. There is nothing on the page telling the reader who the GB user is, and I still do not understand why their word is being held to a greater standard than those working on these specific projects. @ScroogeMacDuck also removed quite a lot of redlinks for these pages and therefore this whole discussion that I've created is asking the question... why? DrWHOCorrieFan ☎  20:33, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * As a point of matter, yes, the page does say the GB user is Jacob Keith, and it has since the footnote was added. – n8 (☎) 20:44, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

What? He did? Where? Certainly not on this page, he hasn't edited it once since he created it. And as Nate noted, the page absolutely does say who the GB user is. (It also isn't being held over those working on the specific projects, the two accounts don't disagree!) Najawin ☎  20:57, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Okay, after looking through relevant pages it seems to be some edits about a month ago at Audio Adventures in Time & Space. Which, okay, I can't comment on, perhaps he can weigh in. Talk:Faction Paradox (series) suggests to cover it (unless the spoiler-y stuff is disqualifying). Again, there's been no official ruling, there can't be an official ruling, and, if I remember Scrooge's promise correctly, he would not be involved in any official ruling unless we explicitly ask for him to be. Najawin ☎  21:30, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * If Scrooge has personal dealings/drama with BBV perhaps he might not be the right person to make a ruling, nor would he probably want to. DrWHOCorrieFan ☎  21:33, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Indeed I am not and don't. BBV in general may be too broad a thing — but as to their Faction Paradox in particular, the fact is that I was so placed as to retain some insider information which taints my judgment even though it cannot, procedurally, be counted as evidence here, being unsourced. So I really am in no state to make a ruling. For what it's worth, I caution (personally, not as an admin) that work done to cover Hellscape now would in the long term be wasted, because I do expect the information will become publicly available one day, and make plain that we never should have covered it… None of which, of course, is a policy reason not to have pages on it while the state of the evidence allows it, if consensus leans that way. Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 21:53, 28 September 2022 (UTC)