Talk:Saxon Master

Disguises/Alias
Should "Razor" be listed under "Main aliases" along with Harold Saxon? Or would it be worth maybe adding a "Disguises" section to the infobox? (I note that this would also be particularly useful for Delgado, Ainley and Dhawan's incarnations as they also featured in stories where they were in various disguises for long periods of time.) I know we have a comprehensive list on its own page, but it could be useful and efficient to also list these on each incarnation's individual page too. FractalDoctor ☎  20:35, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

I think that aliases and disguises are fundamentally the same and should be treated as synonyms for our purposes. Thus, Razor is best placed as one of his "Main aliases" --because it's what he went by for several years in-universe. NoNotTheMemes ☎  02:59, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Infobox image
Just want to cover the possible options for infobox images. As it stands, there are three general aesthetics for the 'Saxon' Master: Prime Minister Chic, Bottle Blonde, and Beard-y.

Obviously, there are other options, but these were the first ones that came to mind. My thought is to go with something in the Prime Minister Chic area, since that was his primary TV appearance, but I (personally) have a preference for Beard-y. Feel free to add other options. NoNotTheMemes ☎  03:16, 10 January 2023 (UTC)


 * I like the first one, but I've uploaded a cropped version. Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon ☎  11:04, 10 January 2023 (UTC)


 * I quite like #1 and #5 myself. #1b seems like an unnecessary crop. 13:40, 10 January 2023 (UTC)


 * I've added a more policy-compliant crop of #5, and also "#0" — the image I'd added previously, which gives us an example of The Smile (which is if anything more associated with the PM look than the Beardy look), although ideally we'd need a higher-resolution of this shot. Of the current options, #1b has my preference all the same, but if we could find a high-res version of #0, or another Smiling Saxon shot, I might favour that. Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 13:46, 10 January 2023 (UTC)


 * @Epsilon. Given that this is the image we use as an example of a properly cropped infobox image, I'd disagree that 1b's crop is unnecessary. Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon ☎  13:50, 10 January 2023 (UTC)


 * I think you'd struggle to find any images with such a crop that are actually used on the Wiki, and dozens of images with less of an extreme crop have been continually chosen by admins. Perhaps, instead of trying to make an iamge adhere to an example no others uses, we should change the example? 13:58, 10 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Until then, per T:BOUND, we should abide by the guideline. Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon ☎  14:00, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Naming of this Page
I want to propose changing the name of this Master's page to "Saxon Master", which aligns with what he's called in the behind the scenes of Masterful, and additionally makes it clearer which incarnation this refers to, since there are two incarnations of the Master introduced in Utopia. TheSpaghetOutcast ☎  05:34, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I think this is a good idea! After all, every one of his TV appearances references his Saxon identity, right up to the end of his life, when he still feels he's marked himself as Britain's "former Prime Minister".


 * Moreover, as mentioned,  is unnecessarily confusing: even though the War Master already technically doesn't need this disambig, they both debuted in that same series 3 story. Even just the Grandma Connolly precedent tells us   simply won't do. 05:42, 10 January 2023 (UTC)


 * I support Saxon Master. This is also the name the fanbase has come to know him as. That, and Simm Master, but we should avoid actor names on the pages. Danniesen ☎  11:15, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

It's true that The Master (Utopia) is confusingly ambiguous, and the fact that "Saxon Master" is used widely behind the scenes gives this proposal good grounding. But I will support the rename if and only if it's explicitly not a precedent-setting decision. Future users citing "Saxon Master" as precedent for alias-based incarnation names without reference to additional determining factors (like behind the scenes usage) would open a slippery slope, as already illustrated by PintlessMan's suggestion of "Keller Master" at Talk:The Master (Terror of the Autons). And that's a slope I'd rather we not go down! – n8 (☎) 20:11, 10 January 2023 (UTC)