Talk:Ninth Doctor

Nine not a Time War Combatant?
Is there a reason as to why the Ninth Doctor cannot be categorized as "Combatants in the Last Great Time War"? He led the Battle of the Game Station, which is described by both the Bad Wolf and Tenth Doctor as the "final act of the Time War". Discounting Day of the Doctor (both the episode and novel) which states all the Doctors were present, I still think Nine is eligible to be classified due to the events of The Parting of the Ways being considered by his future self as a Time War event. Please correct me if I'm wrong on this issue; I've tried adding the category before and it's been reversed so I am just slightly confused. Thanks!--Dr. Derek ☎  16:36, May 21, 2018 (UTC)

Leitmotif missing
The Ninth Doctor's leitmotif is missing, as the SoundCloud link provided is invalid. Could someone please fix this? Thanks.--Natejb2003 (talk) 22:27, November 24, 2018 (UTC)
 * Just a note in case nobody's realised this, this is still an issue. Surely someone knows how to fix it, SoundCloud embeds aren't my speciality. Cookieboy 2005 ☎  12:30, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

Sexuality
Has Ninth ever shown any signs of being non-heterosexual? The only thing I can think of is being kissed by Jack. -- Saxon (✉️) 20:27, October 8, 2020 (UTC)
 * I assume that, more than the kiss itself, whoever added the cat (I didn't check) was thinking of this exchange in TV: Boom Town:

"JACK: (about Mickey and Rose hugging) Aw, sweet, look at these two. How come I never get any of that? DOCTOR: Buy me a drink first. JACK: You're such hard work. DOCTOR: But worth it."

- Boom Town


 * Which, yeah. Isn't impossible to construe as just a joke similar to what you'll find with the Eleventh Doctor in Closing Time. You can headcanon your way around it if you want.


 * But the direct reading is clearly that this is genuine same-sex flirting. It's anyone's guess whether the Doctor would genuinely be open to dating Jack if Jack did indeed "buy him a drink", but the "worth it" clearly indicates that it's within the realm of possibility.


 * So I don't think the category is unjustified. Of course, if signiciant sentiment surfaces on this talk page that it's too ambiguous, we can remove it. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎  20:34, October 8, 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay, sure. I didn't even think of that because it's such a common joke. -- Saxon (✉️) 20:42, October 8, 2020 (UTC)


 * I was initially reluctant to add that category for the very reason you outlined. I do believe it would serve us well to have discussions concerning who actually fits in the category and who doesn't. The Eleventh Doctor is also a head-scratcher; outside that Closing Time scene, he also outright kisses Rory in Dinosaurs on a Spaceship, which may or may not have been just a comical OTT display of gratitude. WaltK ☎  21:39, October 8, 2020 (UTC)

If we're discussing Eleven as well, though it's not definitive proof, there are statements that show Smith intends for Eleven to be asexual. (Which would make him non-heterosexual as well, but the kissing isn't the reason.) Najawin ☎  21:48, October 8, 2020 (UTC)


 * That may have been Smith's interpretation, but the fact Eleven is very strongly implied to have an active sex life with River Song tells me the writers didn't agree. WaltK ☎  22:01, October 8, 2020 (UTC)

Asexual people can have a sex life. This is one of the common misconceptions. Najawin ☎  22:08, October 8, 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah — "asexual" doesn't necessarily mean someone will never engage in sexual activities, merely that they have no, or little, personal desire to do so. It is not uncommon for asexual or demisexual individuals to engage in sexual activities for the sake of partner with whom they are in a romantic relationship.


 * This merely means that if we had one account saying "the Eleventh Doctor is asexual", that wouldn't necessarily conflict with TV: The Impossible Astronaut. But of course, we do not, as far as I know. So it's immaterial.


 * At any rate, we should have discussions like this one in "contentious" cases. That's what talk pages are for — and it was always my intention when I closed the Categories thread to allow for individual discussion of the handful of contentious cases. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎  22:09, October 8, 2020 (UTC)

Ninth Doctor voice actor section update?
Given Eccleston has now portrayed the role of the Ninth Doctor in 2 full-cast Big Finish audio releases (with many more on the way), would it be fair if Nicholas Briggs can now be moved from "Main voice actor" down to "Other voice actors"? BritShadowGG 19:23, September 13, 2021 (UTC)


 * Briggs and Ecceseton are still tied at 6 credits each. I was gonna wait until Lost Warriors was released as a tie breaker, but you can feel free to change it if you feel like it. BananaClownMan 19:38, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

John Hurt?
The War Doctor's regeneration in The Day of the Doctor cuts away just as we begin to see his face change into that of the Ninth Doctor. Would this mean that, for a split-second, John Hurt played the Ninth Doctor? WaltK ☎  18:33, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Nah. No more than Peter Capaldi played the Thirteenth Doctor by dint of the shot of his eyes morphing into hers. Intermediate forms mid-regeneration are just that. Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 18:36, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Ahh, but I'd argue that there's a difference there: at least with Capaldi/Whittaker, the moment involved the active participation of both actors - that fade in shot was clearly achieved by taking a recording of Capaldi and having it fade into a separate recording of Whittaker in the same position. Christopher Eccleston had no involvement with the War Doctor's regeneration; that is clearly just Ecclestone's face superimposed onto John Hurt's head. WaltK ☎  17:06, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

New infobox image
As with other image discussions, I feel this article's infobox image is due an update to align with current image policy. The current image is closely cropped to his face, and I think the Dalek in the background might be a bit distracting.

Here are some possible alternative proposals:

Feel free to add any more proposals to this gallery, I figured I may as well get the ball rolling. BlueSupergiant ☎  15:46, 8 October 2023 (UTC)


 * While I do like the current image as it themeatically fits series one, five and six, out of the current options, are the best IMO (and six is a little better than five, if it comes to it). 15:52, 8 October 2023 (UTC)


 * I know what you mean, and I do kind of agree. It can be tricky trying to get a decent image that also offers a thematic juxtaposition like the current one. I've added one more which might also fit thematically without being too distracting. BlueSupergiant ☎  16:11, 8 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Five, six, seven, three, in that order, is probably my preference. Aquanafrahudy   📢   16:13, 8 October 2023 (UTC)


 * I'm personally just opposed to any image where he's smiling. WaltK ☎  18:03, 8 October 2023 (UTC)


 * He's much more playful and cheerful than most give him credit for, you know. Aquanafrahudy   📢   18:04, 8 October 2023 (UTC)


 * While Nine can be playful, his character arc was overcoming the trauma of the Time War, so a more serious image does suit the infobox better. Which is why I like no. six, especially as he is illuminated by natural lighting, which is superior than the artificial lighting as many of the pics look more shadowy and washed out/hazy. 18:46, 8 October 2023 (UTC)