Forum:Relaxing T:HONOUR

Opening Post
I'd like to start this off by clarifying that this thread is not attempting to create a whole new policy, or even radically alter the current one. The aim is, in short, to expand our allowance of dabbing by honourifc.

"Another more unusual case is that of Grandma Connolly from The Idiot's Lantern. Normally, we would call her Connolly (The Idiot's Lantern) — but there are other Connollys in The Idiot's Lantern. Thus, it's clearer to just use her honourific to title the article."

- The part of "When honourifics are allowed" that is relevant to this discussion

From the above quote, many may deam this thread unnecessary, but it is not. The current policy only allows us to use an honourific dab when nothing else is possible. So for example, the individual most commonly known as "Godfather Sabbath" (in order to differentiate him from Sabbath Dei) is located at Sabbath (Movers) on our wiki, which almost no one would search and which requires pipswitching to "Godfather Sabbath" every time it is linked, anyway. I propose to that we change our dabbing rules so that Honourifcics are prefered over story dabs when disambuigation is necessary.

This, however, would not mean that all pages on members of Faction Paradox are changed to include their honourific (unless, of course, there are other similiar cases to Sabbath) - however I do suggest that we add redirects to some or all of these pages, as a user may well search for "Godfather Auter" when looking for Auter, for example.

Below is a list of characters who I think deserve a rename, and defintely do deserve a redirect (some already have one):

1. Vastra to Madame Vastra as she is most commonly refered to as that

2. Father Kriener as a redirect to Fitz Kreiner, like Kode is. Discussion on splitting this character should be left to Talk:Fitz Kreiner.

3. Waites (John Smith and the Common Men) to Mr Waites as thats what he's refered to, and the current pagename is very long.

4. Andrew_Williams to Sir Andrew Williams, as he is only ever refered to as such, inclduing in story titles.

5. Saldaamir to Mr Saldaamir as that's what he's referred to, and all sources featuring him state he only goes by that.

Additionally, although this is slightly outside the original scope of this proposal, I'd like to suggest we also allow for epithets, probably in a new policy called T:EPIPHET or something. Characters who would benefit from this would be (non-comprehensive list):

1. Brian (A Guide to the Dark Times) would be moved to Brian the Ood, as that is consistently what he is called in both valid sources, the Time Fracture stage play, and in fandom.

2. Epsilon (Out of the Box) to Epsilon the Watcher, as that's what they're called.

3. Rusty (Into the Dalek) to Rusty the Dalek, although as they're most commonly referred to as "Rusty" instead of the full, I'm okay if this one doesn't pass, and "the Dalek" is a very general epiphet.

4. Romana III (The Shadows of Avalon) to War Queen Romana, although again I wouldn't be too annoyed if this doesn't pass.

Cousin Ettolrahc ☎  08:11, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Discussion

 * I support the proposed relaxation of T:HONOUR and the proposed creation of T:EPITHET, or something of the sort. I also support all proposed renames, except for the Romana one, which I'm not sure about. Aquanafrahudy ☎  17:07, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I see no reason to change our policy in terms of page names - no positive argument for doing so is given in the OP, just a proposal. Perhaps redirects for these things, honorifics + names or names + epithets could be done? I'd be amenable to that. Najawin ☎  17:18, 26 May 2023 (UTC)