User talk:Revanvolatrelundar

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Wikipedia plots
Please do not copy wikipedia plots, especially without giving credit. And there is no need to add a link to the page on the page, this just makes the link bold and serves no purposes. Thank-you. The Thirteenth Doctor 12:44, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

i didnt add the plot, just fixed the crazy box error Revanvolatrelundar 12:48, August 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * In defence of Revanvolatrelundar it was an IP editor who added the plot from Wikipedia, not Revanvolatrelundar, Revanvolatrelundar just happened to be the next user to edit the article. --Tangerineduel 12:50, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry, my mistake. I just saw that he made a large edit and assumed it was him. You have no idea how much of an ass I feel now. Sorry again. The Thirteenth Doctor 17:15, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

Good evening, I recently made an edit to the Personal Attacks article, and you reverted it. However, I find this quite offensive because I have a pretty valid point here and you were reverting it for no obvious reason, racism, homophobia, sexism ect, are not the only kinds of discrimination and another common discrimination is that towards those with physical or mental disabilities, people like that have had to endure stereotypes, remarks and ignorance for many years, even centuries and I find people being ignorant of that to be highly offensive.

Even in my own school discrimination towards those with disabilities was ignored, and until I made a complaint, our school planners did'nt feature anything on disability abuse, which they do now, thanks to me. I suggest that this Wiki recognises other forms of discrimination such as anti-disability, transphobia ect as I find it highly ignorant and offensive, as it implies other forms of discrimination are irrelevant, unrecognised and unimportant. I'm deeply offended.

Thanks

ThePandoricaOpens666 18:52, January 23, 2011 (UTC)

Fair enough, thanks. ThePandoricaOpens666 18:55, January 23, 2011 (UTC)

AudioVisuals
The AV stories aren't canon, they're fan audios. There was a discussion relating to this on the Talk:The Doctor (Party Animals) page.

The BBV stories were made by a production company (you can't really call it "fan made" using the definition it was made by fans of the programme, if you used that definition then the BBC Wales series is fan made because likely more than half the production team are fans). --Tangerineduel / talk 13:13, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

Delete template
Hey, Revan :) Thanks for being vigilant on articles that need to be deleted.  :)  One thing, though. I notice you've, on more than one occasion, tried to put the delete template within a category, doing something like this: This is undesirable for at least two reasons. First, it buries the delete tag at the end of the article, when it should be the thing at the very top of the article. Second, it "breaks" the category code, leaving messy stray characters at the bottom of the article.

In future, all you need do is put at the very top of the article — before anything else on the page. The code in the template will take care of the rest, including putting the page in the proposed deletions category.

Thanks :)

Howling Halls Vote
The recent discussion on the Howling Halls have forced a vote. May I ask you to place yours? Mini-mitch 19:35, January 29, 2011 (UTC)

Admin request
Hey, here's Tardis:Questions and guide to requests for adminship to have a look through. The questions I'm most interested in from you is what which articles showcase your creative skills and which article/s are you most proud of?

The other questions on the page you can consider, but don't necessarily need to address specifically. --Tangerineduel / talk 15:26, January 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * Just a few notes and questions.


 * When replying to talk or forum comments remember to indent using the colon ":", I noticed in the recent Speculation topic and replying on my talk page just added straight below, it makes following discussions somewhat difficult.


 * I can't find any issues with your recent edits, so, I just wanted to ask, is the misuse of apostrophes and spelling in some talk replies down to the quick responses that have been typed out quickly…?
 * It's not a large issue, as I said your recent edits all appear good, it's just, when replying to users and interacting on the forums, especially (in an admin role) if you'd ever need to address user's use of grammar and spelling. --Tangerineduel / talk 14:03, February 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * I understand that with regards to article pages article conflicts happen and some reworking is necessary. But on talk pages or forum pages there shouldn't be a rush. This is my only concern when when typing out responses quickly or otherwise and being able to identify issues with pages easily. --Tangerineduel / talk 13:41, February 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * It's just...it's the small things you sometimes need to notice.
 * I may be noticing the little things, but it is sometimes the little things that are noticeable as an admin.
 * I'd just like to highlight where the issues are because I think your active wiki contributions are good, but it's your talk contributions that sway me slightly away from making you an admin right at this moment. I'm not criticising for criticism's sake I just need to be sure.
 * Your recent reply to me didn't quite assure me; "It certainly wasn't my intention to use bad spelling on talk pages and all i can do is assure you that it wont happen again." Lower case I and no apostrophe on "won't". As I said it may seem like I'm nitpicking, but it is the little things that make being an admin an admin. In your original message there's a few misused apostrophes. I know it doesn't seem like much, but as I recently went through the years articles removing the apostrophe from 1960s it, and it does pay to recognise the usage differences.
 * If you could, could you give me links to a few more pages that you've created from near scratch preferably with large chunks of text so that I can assess your writing style further, thanks. --Tangerineduel / talk 14:19, February 3, 2011 (UTC)

Discussion in Forums
Could I ask you to leave your thoughts on the discussion on speculation in forum here?. Thanks. Mini-mitch 21:27, January 31, 2011 (UTC)

Pasting
Just a quick note. When you are pasting text, make sure it is correct. Otherwise it requires a larger clear up. Thanks--Skittles the hog-- Talk 19:37, February 1, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, I see. Sorry for the mistake.--Skittles the hog-- Talk 19:54, February 1, 2011 (UTC)

Headings
Yep, it's a snap to manipulate headings. Thing is, though, it's a part of the overall style that I'm trying to achieve. And I'd kinda like to get general approval and implement an overall page design at once, rather than asking opinions from the community on every single bit. You can head over to w:c:tardistest:Headline Test or w:c:tardistest:Peter and tell me what you think of the headlines over there, though. Since your eye is particularly drawn to headlines, your opinion could really help a lot.

Past question
Do you think I need to submit that comic preview question to the forums? It nether really came to a conclusion.--Skittles the hog-- Talk 16:30, February 3, 2011 (UTC)

Done!--Skittles the hog-- Talk 16:37, February 3, 2011 (UTC)

Italic titles
Not sure what you're saying. I just put it on that page and didn't encounter any issues. Could you be a little more specific, please?
 * Hmmm, I think you're misunderstanding the use of the template. It should be at the very top of the article.  It changes the page title (in code terms,, or WikiaPageHeader ).  It's nothing to do with the highlighted title at the start of the article.  Hence:

The Book of Whatever was. ..


 * Sorry, sorry — I re-read what you said, and it's clear you understood all of what I just said, above. I apologize; I've got like six windows fully going right now to make this change in a lot of categories at once.

Admin request: Granted
Your user rights have been changed to admin! Feel free to ask me or the other admins any questions you may have concerning anything. You can also add your user name to Tardis:Administrators, this page is fully protected meaning only admins can edit it. --Tangerineduel / talk 15:08, February 4, 2011 (UTC)

Re:
No one else was willing to go to the TP, I note...-- Bold  Clone  22:07, February 4, 2011 (UTC)

...and I don't get what you mean. Me edits were supposed to be alone, and people go to the TP to discuss reverting it, or I leave the original alone, and people go the TP to discuss adding it? Either way, nobody else was willing to go to the TP. -- Bold  Clone  22:12, February 4, 2011 (UTC)

Featured
Is there anything you want to submit as a featured article nomination? I seem to be the only one who does so its a bit one sided. I think "War King" is a definite winner. Thanks--Skittles the hog-- Talk 09:55, February 5, 2011 (UTC)

Guide for new admins
I've created a guide: Tardis:Guide for new administrators it includes a few things I've learnt along the way and some useful information which you may already know or find out as you work your way around as an admin. --Tangerineduel / talk 14:04, February 5, 2011 (UTC)

IPs and blocking
When presented with the block page (you can take a look by selecting anyone to block, nothing happens until you hit the "block this user" button on the page) one of the check boxes which is already ticked states "Automatically block the last IP address used by this user, and any subsequent IP addresses they try to edit from".

So in the situation present the user would need to be on a different IP from which they haven't logged in from on that blocked user name (I think). Hope this explains somewhat. --Tangerineduel / talk 13:53, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

Why remove my edit?
Any particular reason why you deleted my edit on The Master just now? It's usually considered good form to explain your reasoning unless it's clear vandalism. I know I accidentally edited without being logged in. Have IPs been banned from editing? 23skidoo 13:56, February 7, 2011 (UTC)

Graceless
Is Graceless actually in the DWU? If it really, firmly is — and not just as a consequence of marketing blurbs on the cover — then I guess we could go with GRC.
 * So you've actually heard it? And they explain, in narrative, how come one of the characters is Abby, not Amy?

Real world
Do not remove the real world tag from pages.--Skittles the hog-- Talk 14:07, February 13, 2011 (UTC)

Check out any TV story. They are all real world. Also, story pages are written from a real world perspective so that tag stays. :)--Skittles the hog-- Talk 14:10, February 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * I saw your discussion on Skittles' page about this and thought I'd jump in, since I was the one putting them on story pages through the bot. You said there you only found them on CC pages, but I'm guessing you just noticed it at a time when the bot hadn't made further progress. They should be on just about every story page by now. It's been long established that story pages are written from the real world perspective. This was, for example, the main argument behind moving discontinuity sections to the Howling. They haven't traditionally had real world tags because it was assumed the real world tag couldn't be placed atop the infobox. That coding limitation has now been overcome, so the tag is now going on everything that's got a RW perspective.

Why do users hate you?
I have found users such as Revanvolatrelundar Fucking Wanker and I Hope Revanvolatrelundar Dies, and (as their usernames suggest), they hate you. Why is this? 90.215.45.50 13:45, February 18, 2011 (UTC)

Thank You concerning Abby
Thank you very much for editing Abby from Grcaeless. That was my first contributiona so i didn't really know what i was doing. You see i have downloaded Graceless and know the stories but don't know how update Abby and Zara Michiru 14 01:52, February 20, 2011 (UTC)

Ok will do Michiru 14 01:52, February 20, 2011 (UTC)

Pictures
If a picture which is not related to the Doctor Who universe is put into the talk page. Does it have a right to be there or not? Please tell me as a certain hog is beginning to annoy me. Thank you. Son of Icthar 18:08, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

The picture was on the Vashta Nerada talk page. I was wondering if it would be alright to put it there or not. I put there as a refrence anyway. Please tell me what I should do. I would also like to say that it was only there for people to decide wether or not it should be written about as a refrence. The picture will not have been shown on the page itself, and you can also see that there are some similiarites between it and the Vashta Nerada 'puppets' in the Silence of the Libary/ Forest of the Dead episode. I would like your verdict before I write about it, and I repeat the picture will not be shown. Thank you anyway. Son of Icthar 21:02, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

Finisterman
I did notice when the similar user name turned up, but was kinda hoping the user had returned to add useful edits to the wiki. I've had a look through their contributions and have blocked it looks to be the same person them for 6 months (Finister2 was blocked for 3 months). As for IP addresses when you block you get this check option: "Automatically block the last IP address used by this user, and any subsequent IP addresses they try to edit from". So in theory that and any other blocks put in place should stall the user some what. Thanks. --Tangerineduel / talk 14:13, February 25, 2011 (UTC)

JAL
Seeing as your pretty much the Jago and Litefoot's only editor, I thought you might like to know I changed the prefix from BFJL to JAL. It simpler and shorter. I don't know why people thought it had it had to have Big Finish in it. We don't have BBCDW. Skittles the hog-- Talk 08:28, February 28, 2011 (UTC)

Source
Apologies, that was a clear oversight on my part, thanks for sorting it. Skteosk 22:19, March 4, 2011 (UTC)

Slade
I'm a bit dubious over the source for Slade. Is the group actually named in this story (ST: Not in My Back Yard). ThanksSkittles the hog-- Talk 17:51, March 8, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for that. E-books are snazzy. Just add the extra source if its there. Thanks again.Skittles the hog-- Talk 18:32, March 8, 2011 (UTC)

ok, thanks. il try and try to do it in my spare time. Sclera1 02:50, March 9, 2011 (UTC)

Curse of Fatal Death
Please point me to this "community decision" that makes Curse of Fatal Death — probably the very definition of non-canonical — suddenly canonical. 16:54:26 Fri 11 Mar 2011
 * I'm really curious how the community could have been convinced to turn one fragment of a sentence — "a listless-looking man sat on a sofa beside a girl in a red dress in an unconvincing medieval dungeon" — into an avenue by which Curse is at all canonical. That's pretty damned vague to me, especially since the text (on page 18) never makes clear that any of those people described are the Doctor.  And because at least one of the men described seems an awful lot like the First Doctor — "a kindly-faced old gentleman in an astrakhan hat pottered in a junkyard, chuckling.  Far as I'm concerned, the inclusion of this stronger reference to what appears to be he Hartnell Doctor throws the paragraph open to broader interpretation.  This could be a list of past or future Doctors, and the "girl in a red dress in an unconvincing medieval dungeon" could just as easily be Jo in The Curse of Peladon.

Another problem in believing that this is a reference to Curse is that none of the people in the paragraph are defined as being the Doctor. They could just be people in the Doctor's future. That helps explain how the First Doctor might be in this description. The window is saying that the Eighth Doctor will again see his first self back in a junkyard — not that his future is to again be the First Doctor.

In fact, the only one of the people described who are definitively suggested to be the future Doctor is the last one:


 * Then it solidified into one, final figure. A wiry man with a gaunt, hawklike face, piercing, page grey-blue eyes and a thin, prominent nose.  His lips were set into an almost cruel, almost arrogant smile.  He had an air of determination, as though withholding a righteous fury.  As though facing down the most terrible monsters.


 * Then he turned to the Doctor and his expression softened into a broad, welcoming grin, as if to say, "This is what you've got to look forward to."

Even that, though, doesn't definitively say this "wiry man" is the Doctor. Merely that he's in the Doctor's future. Nor does it necessarily describe the Eccleston Doctor. That description could just as easily describe Matt Smith in a moment of fury, I think.

In other words, one possible interpretation of The Tomorrow Windows does not make The Curse of Fatal Death canonical. The best you can do with this information is to note it on The Tomorrow Windows page as something that some fans (such as those at the Discontinuity Guide) have noted as indicating Curse. But Windows contains no positive, unambiguous reference to, for example, Joanna Lumley, Hugh Grant, Jonathan Pryce, Jim Broadbnt or really any of the major elements of Curse. 17:29:21 Fri 11 Mar 2011
 * Well, to respond directly to your latest post, obviously The Tomorrow Windows does not "directly refer" to The Curse of Fatal Death. And TD made a point-by-point response to my write-up of the canon policy and never mentioned this conversation you're alleging he agreed to.  COFD's canonical status is entirely unaffected by one sentence fragment in The Tomorrow Windows.  17:51:36 Fri 11 Mar 2011


 * Sorry, I only just now saw that you added more to User talk:CzechOut, because when I actually went to my user page around the time you posted your additions, my eye was drawn to the next topic that was added by Skittles. I think what happened is that, when I read Skittles' comment, I saw above it that you had found the discussion, but since I had found it too, I didn't somehow see that you had added three more paragraphs above it.  In other words, because I was looking at my message page after four new messages had been attached to it, I only really registered the last two messages.


 * But I don't want to leave your points unanswered, so, better late than never, here's my response to what you left after 17:19 11 March:


 * I wasn't suggesting at all that you were making things up. I had flatly (and, I had hoped, politely) asked for you to point me in the direction of the discussion you were talking about.  I was indeed quite grateful that you had brought up a policy discussion of which I was unaware. I thought it was important to see the discussion, not because I was suggesting it didn't happen, but because I couldn't imagine by what leap of logic the community could have possibly been swayed to think COFD canonical.   17:23:19 Mon 14 Mar 2011

20:06:18 Fri 11 Mar 2011

Decalog 5
Hey, I see that you're the one who added all the blank pages for the Decalog 5: Wonders short stories late last year. I think maybe you've misunderstood what that volume is. Judging from the fact that you put Benny down as a character in every story, I'm thinking that you've slightly misunderstood what that collection is about. There's only one Benny story in the entire collection, so that's the only story that I've allowed to survive here. The volume otherwise doesn't have anything to do with the DWU, and therefore shouldn't be covered here (or really at any of our sister wikis). 19:19:30 Wed 16 Mar 2011

--Tangerineduel / talk 14:38, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

General font
Hey, I noticed you left a comment on the main page talk page about the font being unreadable. But that was 48 hours ago and so may not reflect the current realities. Could you do me a favor and please clear your cache and then report on what you see? I find it odd that you're experiencing this phenomenon, since Lucida Bright is one of the most legible fonts used in the English-speaking world. 21:21:22 Wed 23 Mar 2011

15:42:41 Tue 29 Mar 2011

Ref Desk
Have you thought about protecting the Forum:Reference desk page? This page-blanking is frustrating, all of us, I think. -- Bold  Clone  20:37, March 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. :) I owe you one. -- Bold  Clone  17:15, April 1, 2011 (UTC)

Please leave me alone
Will you please stop stalking me over the wiki? I would appreciate it. Thank you. | Who is Dr. Who? 14:01, April 1, 2011 (UTC)

Infoboxes
Thanks, I'll keep that in mind. How dow you make a NEW infobox though?

Ghastly9090 16:04, April 1, 2011 (UTC)

Wikia time
In order to diagnose your problem definitively, I'd have to know what time zone you're in. My suspicion, however, is that nothing can be done about things unless you're in the time zone of the Wikia server, or a time zone in North/South America that is a number of precise hours off of the Wikia servers' time, and that obeys DST. Around the time time of the time zone changeover on the mainland of North America, European times tend to be "off". That said, we're already thorough the time change in the UK, I think, so you should theoretically be in alignment again, provided you live in the UK. If you live in a place where there is no DST at all you will be "off" Wikia time, and there's not much that can be done about it, as far as I know. Since I live in such a locality, I'm sort of used to being "off" wikia time, TV network time, everyone's time, for half the year. If you've recently moved to a non-DST area, you may not yet be used to this "wrinkle" of geography. Give me your time zone, though, and I'll be able to nail the problem down more definitively. 16:38:38 Fri 01 Apr 2011
 * Right, but British (or Greenwich) time is only the same thing as UTC in the winter. Once British Summer Time comes in, BST = UTC+1, the mathematical expression for the phrase "to spring forward".  Signatures are always given in terms of UTC so that there's no confusion as to the time, regardless of where the person is.  For instance, my signature will now say 16:52 and change:  16:52:42 Fri 01 Apr 2011
 * Which reminds me. The real test of whether Wikia has your correct timezone isn't your signature. It's your contributions list or logs.  Check those to see what time you're displaying.  If you've got the correct time there, you don't need to change anything.  If however, the time is off a bit, you'll need to reset your time zone in your user preferences.   16:58:40 Fri 01 Apr 2011
 * So wait a minute. Your signature now correctly says that it's 1800-something?  17:03:50 Fri 01 Apr 2011

Rassilon
Thanks. Curse the small size of BF covers.Skittles the hog-- Talk 10:46, April 2, 2011 (UTC)

Bruce Master
Gotta disagree with you on The Eight Doctors. I didn't see anything that distinctly identified this as the Bruce Master. Can you point me to a specific page/quote? I'll grant you that it's maybe the morphant, but that's not the Bruce Master. The morphant is, according to this very story, the essence of the Master, not specifically the Bruce Master. As far as I can tell, nothing that looked like Eric Roberts appeared in The Eight Doctors. It's highly misleading, I think, to suggest in the navigation box that the Eric Roberts Master is in this book. But, again, maybe you have a snippet from the book to hand that I've skipped over? 20:45:27 Sun 10 Apr 2011
 * Exactly. Where in that quote is there any description of the Bruce Master? <span style="">21:22:25 Sun 10 Apr 2011
 * I don't see your logic there. The "Bruce Master" is specifically that Master which was created by the morphant taking over the body of Bruce.  The book gives no indication that this body survived being dumped into the Eye of Harmony.


 * And really, seriously, forget the book. There's a, y'know Bruce-shaped explosion that happens when he's consumed by the Eye in the movie, roughly at the 1h17m mark. I don't think there is a way in the world that a person can watch the TVM and reasonably assert that Bruce's body survives.


 * To my eye, what survives is the snake, the morphant. It's already survived disintegration by the Daleks.  We can therefore believe that it survives the Eye. (Indeed, we must believe it survived the Eye, because of DWM: The Fallen.)   But, again, what has not survived is the combination of the morphant + Bruce.  That's why I put the book in the "uncertain" category.  If the book gave a physical description that matched that of Eric Roberts, I'd say, "Sure, that's Bruce.".  But it doesn't.  Hence we cannot say with certainty that it's the Bruce Master, only that the story happens after the TVM.   <span style="">16:27:36 Mon 11 Apr 2011

DWU/OOU stub demarcation
Yeah, I'd already thought of using the Seal of Rassilon. Problem is that at very small widths, like the 25px I need for the stub templates, it's simply a black blob. Might be able to do some of the Peter McInistry "Time Lord writing" though, as that uses thin-lines. Problem is there trying to find a clean transparent image to work with. Which I've never found. I've never even found it on a white background, or a fully single-color background that I could easily strip away. But who knows, maybe a renewed look might turn something up. Wookieepedia is definitely lucky in this regard. Their image for real world is just a graphic of Earth. Oh, if only 90% of Doctor Who didn't happen on the Earth. . .  <span style="">21:07:20 Mon 11 Apr 2011

Wildthyme charity stories canonical?
No. Clearly not. The Doctor appears in at least one. Susan in another. Obviously, Obverse don't have the right to publish these characters. That's why they're still listed as "charity stories" on the website. That gives them a kind of "legal shield". But for our purposes, they can't be considered as something we cover. We need to be on guard against the Obverse website generally, as they publish fan works. Safer just to ignore the site altogether, and stick only to the material they're selling. <span style="">19:27:26 Tue 12 Apr 2011

Re:Suggestion
...That's the beginning of red tape and beauracracy. Nothing would ever really get done if we had to send it through a committee. On the other hand, if we have a committee to discuss reverting the change, then that forces the issue--makes it more noticeable. -- Bold  Clone  19:32, April 18, 2011 (UTC)

John Hart rumour
If we don't get a reply from BC within the 48 hour, can you re add it to the page. I nearly breaching the editing war policy, so it's best if I stay away from it for a few days. Thanks. Mini-mitch\talk 19:58, April 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * Right...and now you're deliberately trying to work around the letter of the law; you're violating the spirit of the law. Can you not wait for a decision, instead of twisting the rules to trump me? -- Bold  Clone  20:13, April 18, 2011 (UTC)

Stetson Dr.
Can you point me to where the BBC confirmed that the stetson wearing dr was from the future and dies within the first ten minutes? I missed it somehow...thanks!! -- Rest In Peace Sarah Jane \ Talk to me! 15:45, April 22, 2011 (UTC)

River Song / Past Tense
Sorry about that, that was my first time adding new info to an important character. I'll use the past tense next time. TheTARDIScontroller 16:08, April 24, 2011 (UTC)

Why is the story plot for The Impossible Astronaut being reverted?
Can you please answer me why this plot is being reverted back every time I change it? Arunreginald 17:53, April 24, 2011 (UTC)

River Song
The Trading Card is marked "The Impossible Astronaut" and that episode has aired. Also revalations don't always have to come from episodes which has been proven many times before Michael Downey 17:39, April 25, 2011 (UTC)

Adaptations and Canon
My apologies for the misunderstanding. What do we do in the rare situation where something in a book/comic contradicts something on TV? I appreciate your help! -- Rest In Peace Sarah Jane \ Talk to me! 20:27, April 26, 2011 (UTC)

Punctuation marks
Periods, questions marks, commas, etc, always go inside the quotes. http://www.grammarbook.com/punctuation/quotes.asp

I may not have much experience on this wiki, but I know my grammar. -- Rest In Peace Sarah Jane \ Talk to me! 20:22, April 28, 2011 (UTC)

Little girl
Good plan. I don't object.Skittles the hog-- Talk 18:13, April 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * I just did. For 1 day. I saw some had added that she was a Time Lord and her home planet was Gallifrey, so I just reverted every edit to the last one before the episode aired and then locked it. I lsot the information from Day of the Moon, but we can easily re add it. Mini-mitch\talk 18:17, April 30, 2011 (UTC)

When do you think it appropriate that I add the new background. Tomorrow, later, now?Skittles the hog-- Talk 19:48, April 30, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah for the wiki itself. Tomorrow is probably best. I've made the new one but its a bit "in-your-face". Anyway, if people don't like it, I'm sure I'll hear all about it. :)Skittles the hog-- Talk 19:53, April 30, 2011 (UTC)