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Don't attack the messenger in forums
For the benefit of future readers of forums, it's important that threads be kept on topic. If you think that a person is slighting you in a forum, it's probably a better idea to speak directly with them on their talk page than to bring your emotions to a forum discussion. Forum discussions are often used years later later as a snapshot of opinion on a particular topic. Two years from now, for instance, it might be very helpful for a person who has similar questions to you to read the discussion you started.

But it will be less helpful if there's an interpersonal flare-up there.

I'm sorry you feel disaffected by the help I tried to provide. Your comments make me feel similarly disaffected because I've worked really hard to help you. Indeed, I have spent much of this week on your specific issues. I dropped what I was doing to rush to help you with your browser concerns. I did some technical research to help you, and have even collaborated with other Wikians in order to make sure I was giving you sound advice. And I have prepared lengthy, detailed responses to every question you've asked at the other thread.

Only a person who wanted to welcome you would have spent so much energy. It's extremely disheartening to find that this effort appears to have been in vain. 01:41: Fri 12 Apr 2013


 * diff of the following reply at CzechOut's talk page
 * I do appreciate the time and effort you expended, and you're right, I should have split that message in two and posted the later half on your talk page.


 * And you're right, the thread did start as asking about policy. But after the first few posts I'd been clearly informed and it transitioned into a discussion about editing. As in how to edit with an understanding of the policy. There was still a heavy focus on policy and clarifications but the bulk of the discussion was on how to deal with certain situations and how to act on policy.


 * I understand that I use hyperbole and I do understand how that led to you thinking that I was talking about a visual problem. My frustration really built when I got answers to things that weren't problems, after I'd taken the time to clear up confusions and state unequivocally that that wasn't the problem. My real frustration was that it didn't feel like a discussion: I felt that I wasn't being listened to. I can understand how you thought I might be a bit more familiar with the biggest wiki in the world, but once I said no, that I wasn't, it was really annoying to be asked if I was sure. It might have been said jokingly, but tone doesn't translate online and combined with everything else it just exacerbated things.


 * Partially it's something that had really been building on the thread. I felt like you were constantly answering not quite the question I had asked. That, and the fact that I had to constantly repeat myself--I felt a little bit like I was banding my head against a wall.


 * When you replied to me on the thread:
 * "all I wanted was a yes or no", and on the other says, "I wanted to know if there were exceptions"


 * That's a perfect example of what I mean. I wanted to know if there were exceptions and how to apply policy in certain editing situations, but once you said yes to my question (If a link fits the basic requirements of not having been linked earlier in the article, and can be an article, MUST it be linked?) then I didn't need to know anymore. As far as I understood you, you were telling me that there were no exceptions. That I didn't need to better understand how to apply policy because there were never exceptions. If it could be linked it was required that it be linked. If things are truly that black and white then yes or no is really all I need.


 * And when I said that I only wanted a yes or no, that was because I felt like you had been piling on. You said yes, there are no exceptions and then followed it up by saying that a lot. I had asked a series of questions. And answering the later question was dependent on a particular answer to the first question. I was asking, is it A or B? And every question after that was predicated on the first answer being B. So when you went through all of my questions and basically said "it's A, it's still A, we follow policy so it's A," I didn't feel so great.


 * You also really confused me. Your first really long post came immediately after SOTO's fairly long post. And you said some things which seemed to contradict what SOTO said. I hadn't needed additional clarification after reading SOTO's comment, but then I read your comment and was quite a bit more confused than I had been. I'm actually still a little confused about that. I'm not sure if you and SOTO have different opinions of what policy means and on how to edit, or if you're trying to tell me the same thing but it's just not quite coming across. It would be helpful to know if you think that advice was correct. Anoted ☎  03:22, April 12, 2013 (UTC)


 * I have to tell you that you've tired me out. I've spent a lot of time with you this week, and it's only made you angry.  So I hope you'll forgive me if I cut my losses and bow out. The only thing I really want to stress is that I feel like I did answer your questions thoughtfully and carefully, even if you believe I didn't.


 * Oh, and I guess there's this. You were puzzled by differences between what I said and what SOTO did. If you violate our linking policy, there's not much SOTO can do about it. I, on the other hand, can stop you from editing here. SOTO has edited diligently and in usually good faith for the four months he's been with us, but if he and I render a split decision, the tie probably goes to me.  Dunno if that helps or not.  04:53: Fri 12 Apr 2013


 * diff of the following reply at CzechOut's talk page
 * I was hoping for you to weigh in on the comment specifically, but that's fine, thanks. Anoted ☎  05:16, April 12, 2013 (UTC)