User:SOTO/Forum Archive/The Panopticon/@comment-1783865-20200302103744/@comment-45135034-20200302120042

Scrooge MacDuck wrote: TheOneTrueJack wrote: I'll start with an obvious one, although it's only tangentially related. Now that the Jo Martin Doctor has been 100% confirmed as a previous incarnation, But she hasn't, has she? When the Doctor asks the Matrix projection of Ruth to confirm that she's one of the pre-Hartnell selves Ruth is evasive and eventually says she doesn't have the answers. Is it most likely she's a pre-Hartnell incarnation? Yeah, sure. But it's far from "100% confirmed".

I definitely think that what we need is a navbox with all incarnations of the Doctor, separate from the smaller "Doctors" palette under the infobox, which can't very well accommodate everyone — whereas such a navbox could also include future Doctors like the Curator, Muldwych, the Father of Time and such without issue.

I don't see why we would now put the Morbius faces in the infobox; they're long-since recognized as incarnations of the Doctor by the Wiki, and no one added them to Doctorpic. Masterpic doesn't have every Master either, it's worth pointing out. That's actually fair. In that case I will say she's been confirmed enough that I feel her inclusion is now warranted. Short of showing every regenration and incarnation befor Hartnell there's no real way to 100% conform it anyway.

Although I guess it is possible the show could show her being turned into the Hartnell incarnation at some point, assuming she is even his direct predecessor, which she very well may not be.

I agree that the Morbius Doctors and the Timeless Child incarnations should be kept out of the infobox. However, I think the Jo Martin Doctor should be included alongside the other 14. She has the title, the Tardis, she travels in Time and Space, etc. She's very much a traditional incarnation of the Doctor, just one whose place in the timeline is unclear. But since the episode leans towards pre-Hartnell, that's where I would put her.

If the War Doctor can be considered a main incarnation, then I see no reason why the Jo Martin Doctor shouldn't be.