Talk:Whisper Man

Name
Surely this should follow wiki conventions and be named after the singular rather than plural? So "The Whisper Men" becomes "Whisper Man" ScotchAutopilot ☎  19:33, May 18, 2013 (UTC)


 * I agree. I tried to make a link to "The Whispermen" or "The Whisper Men" page and it's impossible. We never saw one individual alone over the episode, they only appeared as a group. Badwolff ☎  19:11, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

the thing is, in the episode, they were never, ever called Whisper Man. All the rhymes, they were all known as The Whisper Men, so me, the one who created this page, thinks that it should be the same. Although I did make the same mistake creating the Cybermite page, I think I have made the right choice. StevieGLiverpool ☎  21:22, May 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * Not to put too fine a point on it, but, um, you haven't. T:NAMING governs the naming of our articles, and it always preferences the singular over the plural, except in the case of "mass nouns".  Quite clearly, it's possible to count Whisper Men, so we go with the singular.  01:09: Sun 19 May 2013
 * I think we can allow a redirect at Whisper Men to save on typing, but definitely not at the Whisper Men. 01:12: Sun 19 May 2013


 * But there is both a page for "The Silent" (which I bet there are very few links to) and "The Silence" which refers to the group (and which I bet receives a lot of links, even when it's referring to a group and not THE group).What if "Whispermen" is, similarly, the name of the group? We don't see any solitary Whisper man. Badwolff ☎  19:15, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

Do you remember the Trickster with "Sarah Jane Adventures"? Is there a link between Trickster and Whisper Man?
 * Speculation belongs at Howling:The Howling, not here. Anoted ☎  18:06, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

I support the renaming of the page to "Whispermen." In light of "Clarence and the Whispermen," shouldn't we go by what's shown on-screen? I could understand the dispute if there were some discrepancy between the title of the prequel and the credits for "The Name of the Doctor", but as far as I know, there is no such discrepancy and thus, this seems like a pretty clear-cut case. One spelling is supported by the show; the other is not. Ensephylon ☎  01:52, May 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your support! You've explained at best the reasons. --HarveyWallbanger ☎  16:55, May 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, Ensephylon and HarveyWallbanger, you're both wrong.  There is a discrepancy.  The credits of The Name of the Doctor are indeed the source of "Whisper Man".  Thus we have titles vs. credits, which is a draw in the hierarchy of sources.  Tie breaker is, I suppose, BBC One programme listings:
 * Clara is summoned to an impossible conference call, alerting her that the deadly Whisper Men are closing in on Vastra, Jenny and Strax.


 * Someone is kidnapping the Doctor’s friends, leading him toward the one place in all of time and space that he should never go. It’s a deadly trap that threatens to unravel his past, present and future...


 * So Whisper Men is what we'll be sticking with, with a note at Clarence and the Whispermen that the titles are an apparent production error. 16:49: Thu 13 Jun 2013

"Kill with a whisper"?
I might have missed it but I didn't hear anyone say that The Whispermen's name "is derived from their ability to kill with a whisper". If this is true, why did they reach into to the hostages' bodies to grab their hearts when they could've just whispered? Badwolff ☎  19:24, May 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't recall offhand the source of the "kill with a whisker" claim, but there are many potential reasons for the Intelligence to instead order them to "stop the hearts" of the Doctor's friends. You'd imagine they also could have reached much faster into the hostages' bodies than they seemed to do, considering how fast they move in other scenes. Clearly enough, since the whole point was blackmailing the Doctor with a threat, the Intelligence intentionally chose to have the Whisper Men kill the hostages very very slowly. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎  00:45, June 7, 2020 (UTC)

Misconception
The page seems predicated on a misconception, the page is written as if the Whisper Men were an alien race, they are not, they are all physical embodiments of the incorporeal Great Intelligence from the distant future where its learnt to physically manifest itself. They dont have the 'power' to 'morph' into Simeon they are all already Simeon, the great intelligence just chooses to only give one of them at a time a face. --Watcherzero ☎  02:02, November 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * That's somewhat ambiguous. They're emanations of the Intelligence, sure, but is the Intelligence consciously controlling all of them at a time? Or does its consciousness splinter? Compare the Autons who, special exceptions aside, are ultimately just part of the Nestene Consciousness rather than individuals, but who certainly possess a form of independence, since they are frequently seen to report to higher-ranking emanations of the Nestenes.


 * In this case, good evidence that there may be more to the Whisper Men than meets the eye would be the fact that the "Simeon" avatar of the Intelligence verbally orders the Whisper Men: "The Doctor's friends! Stop their hearts!" Would he do this if the other Whisper Men were just as much "his body" as the one he was speaking from? Well… maybe, if he just wanted to be dramatic. But there's room for doubt. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎  00:48, June 7, 2020 (UTC)