Howling:New trailer...

So the new trailer was released... and it has some pretty... interesting stuff... including what appears to be the console design used by the ninth and tenth Doctors. Will we be counting these as rumours or notes? And what did you think of it? --The Thirteenth Doctor 15:34, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

I'm thinking a River flashback where she met the Tenth Doctor again, the Eleventh Doctor seemed to casual about meeting River again. --Revan\Talk 18:58, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

Can anyone tell who was standing in the Tenth Doctor's TARDIS. If it is a character who we already know, it could give us some hint as to whether it is a flashback or if the old console room will temporarily return.Gowron8472 03:28, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

I captured a hi-res still from that scene in the trailer, and it's Rory in the corner. And not to bring things up... But...... It appears to me that it's Paul McGann in that explosion-ish thing. But I think I just saw him becuase I've been thinking about the "him returning" rumour. Either way though, I think the console returns itself. Which (if you think about it) gives Amy a chance to see what the TARDIS looked like right before the DOctor crashed in her yard lol! TheTARDIScontroller 03:56, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

Heres to (again) hoping for a McGann return but in an interview the production team said that hes not coming back. On a better note, some guy on youtube slowed down the image of the explosion in the TARDIS and thought he saw Omega, I couldn't see anything but he was filming his PC screen in low quality. --Revan\Talk 12:06, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

Heres a blown up image of the explosion, it certainly has Omega like features: http://twitpic.com/4f8mce/full --Revan\Talk 15:31, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

If its Rory, then that means that it can't be a flashback. That means that either the TARDIS will revert to its old control room, there will be a number 2 control room like in the Fourth Doctor years, or there will be a complicated "timey wimey" episode involving travelling back to the 9th or 10th Doctor's time. Although it would be awesome if Omega returned, it doesn't look likely. The creepy voice in the trailer said that he killed hundreds of Timelords. Omega has been trapped in an antimatter universe ever since the Timelords came into existence, although it is possible that the Timelord killer is a different character and Omega is also in it. It would be cool if McGann returned, but there would probably be more proof of his appearance by this point.Icecreamdif 20:52, March 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh my! I'd love it to be McGann.... I mean... that would totally explain why he was getting a completely new outfit!!! Because I remember someone saying that it was rather pointless getting a new outfit just for the audio drama covers. --The Thirteenth Doctor 21:33, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

Although it would be awesome if McGann returned, it doesn't seem likely that they would have been able to film scenes with him without anybody finding out about it. Either way, I don't like his new look. He looks more like a Doctor with the wig.Icecreamdif 21:49, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

Wait, he wore a wig for the Eighth Doctor part? I thought he just had his hair long, but after playing the Doctor, he cut it short. TheTARDIScontroller 22:10, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

No, watch the special features for the TV movie. They cast him partially because he had long hair, but they didn't know that he cut it short for another role. In the end, they made him wear a wig, which he didn't like.Icecreamdif 23:16, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

Ahhh, I see now. TheTARDIScontroller 23:52, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

The BBC are keeping alot of Doctor Who projects under the radar at the moment, McCoy said that hes filming scenes with CGI to add scenes to the original Downtime fanvideo to make it a proper BBC release. He also said that hes voicing his Doctor in a cartoon of the Dark Dimension. Theres proof that he is doing the Downtime scenes as hes been photographed against a green-screen with a TARDIS console in front of him. This is making me think that we haven't heard the last of the Eighth Doctor yet and he might be getting an appearance somewhere soon... --Revan\Talk 08:54, April 1, 2011 (UTC)

The producers have been emphatic that no earlier doctors were going to be returning this series. -- Rest In Peace Sarah Jane \ Talk to me! 18:49, April 21, 2011 (UTC)

McGann might have another appearance at some point, but it doesn't look like it will be in series 6. He may come back for the shows 50th anniversary in a couple of years though.Icecreamdif 21:47, April 21, 2011 (UTC)

First off, the producers spout misdirection and false statements all the time. Stephen Moffet claimed that no old monsters will be seen this season, yet BBC has a picture of the cybermen on the website. I understand why they do it. They want us, the viewers to be surprised when we watch the episode and see something as fantastic as the return of the cybermen, or the return of a previous incarnation of the Doctor. That said, I do not believe that this image is of any of the Doctors. It could be Omega. I am not going to rule it out, but I personally am hoping for the return of the Valeyard more than Omega. From other spoiler sites and some deductive reasoning, the scene in question is most likely from the Doctor’s Wife, so we should be open the possibility that this may be another TARDIS, possibly on the same junkyard planet and not from 9/10’s timeline. While the scene does appear to be a regeneration, it looks more like explosion with the round shockwave.MasterIII 22:23, April 21, 2011 (UTC)

If they are going to bring the Valeyard back, they'll wait until the 12th Doctor regenerates. In Trial of a Timelord, the Valeyard was said to be from in between the Doctors 12th and final incarnations, similar to the Watcher, so we should still have a few years before the Valeyard returns. They may try to misdirect people all the time, but the return of one of the previous Doctors would probably be hard to hide.Icecreamdif 22:32, April 21, 2011 (UTC)

The point I was trying to make was that I don’t think it is a regeneration at all. I agree that a doctor on set is hard to hide, but not impossible. I am keeping my mind open to various possibilities, but the most obvious theories about the coral console room clip are probably wrong. The writers of the show are thinking outside of the police box and so should we. The clips chosen for the trailers are chosen with great care to spark these kinds of discussion and to get us excited about the show. As for the Valeyard, just because the character was created between the Doctors twelfth and final “incarnations” does not mean that the character cannot be brought back before then. This is a show about time travel, besides as the Doctor keeps repeating “time can be re-written” so perhaps the character could be created earlier. Everyone seems to forget that the 10th Doctor did used up one regeneration during Journey’s End so that would mean that Tennant was both the 10th and 11th incarnation and Smith would be the 12th. Moffat and Davies have both touched on the Doctor’s dark side quite a bit lately. With the meta-crisis Doctor causing the Dalek’s genocide (as far as he knows), the Time-Lord-Victorious of Waters of Mars, and the most recent Dream Lord it seems like the producers are setting up the basis for the Valeyard’s character.MasterIII 03:12, April 22, 2011 (UTC)

I doubt that the regeneration in Stolen Earth/Journey's End counts as a regeneration, because it would be a waste of a regeneration on the writer's part, since the Doctor can only regenerate 12 times. It probably only "counts" if the process is completed, and since the Doctor siphoned off the excess regenerative energy into his spare hand, it didn't count as a full regeneration. Otherwise, the "Eleventh Doctor" was one of the shortest lived companions ever. Obviously they can bring the Valeyard back before the 12th Doctor's regeneration, as the last time he appeared was during the 6th Doctor's tenure, but if they are going to bring the Valeyard back, they will have to do it after the 12th regeneration anyway, so it makes more since to wait until then. I also think that the scene in the old TARDIS console room looked more like an explosion than a regeneration, especially since the Doctor is the only Timelord left in the universe, and we know that he is not regenerating this season. The old TARDIS console room is probably not another TARDIS, since the Doctor has repeatedly stated that his TARDIS is the last one in the universe, and since TARDISes are telepathic and "alive", he could probably tell if there were any left, the same way that he could tell if there are any Timelords left. It is possible that they could come up with some explanation for another TARDIS existing, although in the past, when more than one TARDIS has appeared, both TARDISes use the same set, and are either lighted differently, or have slightly different color schemes, although the show does have a higher budget than it did during the classic series. I think that it is more likely that the TARDIS will either revert back to its previous appearance, the Doctor will break the first law of time, or there will be a flashback.Icecreamdif 03:39, April 22, 2011 (UTC)

But if you think about it, it actually isn't the last TARDIS in the universe, because, as said before, the Doctor is a time traveler, so pretty much all incarnation of him exist around the same time. As we've seen, the Doctor can accidently meet another incarnation of himself just while traveling. So thinking that, all the Doctors' TARDISes exist at the same time... Its all a matter of thinkning how time travel affects a person... Or Time Lord, for that matter... TheTARDIScontroller 05:46, April 22, 2011 (UTC)

I'm all for the flashback theory. It has been stated very emphatically that no doctors are returning, and it's hard to make out the figure. I hope I'm proved wrong though. I would love to see McGann again. Still, I don't think it will happen. -- Rest In Peace Sarah Jane \ Talk to me! 12:26, April 22, 2011 (UTC)

Well they're gonna have to bring McGann into the actual TV series sometime so it will show everyone that he really is one of the incarnations of the Doctor, because I hear tons of times from other people that they don't consider McGann as a true incarnation just because he wasn't in the actual TV series, just in the movie... TheTARDIScontroller 12:55, April 22, 2011 (UTC)

There have already been two or three episodes where they show clips of McGann along with the other 10 Doctors, so that should be enough evidence for most people that McGann really is one of the incarnations, although I would like to see him come back onto the TV show. Before the Timewar, all TARDISes may have always existed, but the timelock probably prevents this from happenning, or he would probably still run into other Timelords on occassion.Icecreamdif 13:44, April 22, 2011 (UTC)

Well I'm just talking about the Doctor's TARDIS... Just like the Doctor himself, his TARDIS too has it's own incarnations. Its switched between different "themes" in the TV show and in the books, like when the Eighth Doctor has his TARDIS switch between the one seen on the TV movie and the one when it absorbed the virus... Then all of a sudden, when the Ninth Doctor shows up, it has a coral theme... Different versions, or "incarnations, or his TARDIS, existing at different pons i time, but able to travel at other points in time explain how there can be more than one existing in the universe at a time... TheTARDIScontroller 14:18, April 22, 2011 (UTC)

So are you suggesting that the Doctor crosses his own timeline, and sees his own TARDIS at an earlier point in its history, or that he sees a different TARDIS that also has the coral theme?Icecreamdif 14:22, April 22, 2011 (UTC)

It's been established that we don't see this TARDIS in the opening 2 episodes so I expect that it appears in Gangers and is most likely a cloned TARDIS which seems to be the theme of that story. --Revan\Talk 14:29, April 22, 2011 (UTC)

Icecreamdif, I'm suggesting something around the first one... He could always just accidentaly land somewhere he's been before and doesn't realize it... He probably just goes into the TARDIS while the other incarnation is out or something like that.. This is just pure speculation though... It's probably more like Revan's theory though... Guess we're just going to have to see for ourselves I suppose. TheTARDIScontroller 14:57, April 22, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, that's possible, although like I said, that comes pretty close to breaking the first law of time. He has broken that law of time before though, and there isn't anyone left to enforce it, so he may run into himself or his old TARDIS. The difference is, there must have been centuries in between the Second and Sixth Doctors, while there can't have been more than a few years in between the Ninth and Eleventh Doctors, so he should be able to remember if he is somewhere that he has already been before. Also, if there is an explosion in his past incarnation's TARDIS, his past incarnation would probably notice that there is some damage when he comes back.Icecreamdif 15:34, April 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * This is the problem which I have with this coral TARDIS thing, sure he had it in his Ninth body but theres plenty of scope for him to have had that TARDIS in his 8th body too. No-one knows for sure how long the 8th Doctor lived for and there was plenty of amnesia during this time so he may travel to somewhere the 8th Doctor went when he had amnesia. --Revan\Talk 15:45, April 22, 2011 (UTC)

It has been implied that the 8th Doctor regenerated during the Time War, so the timelock would prevent the Doctor's eleventh incarnation from finding his eight incarnation's TARDIS. Besides, it would be pointless to have a plot where the Doctor lands somewhere where a past version of himself already is, and he enters his past self's TARDIS, without actually having a past Doctor appear.Icecreamdif 16:15, April 22, 2011 (UTC)

I don't expect to see a past Doctor at all and was just speculating for speculations sake. I think its more likely that the TARDIS will shift theme back to coral within a story, maybe due to some timey wimey revertion of TARDIS interior. --Revan\Talk 16:20, April 22, 2011 (UTC)