User talk:Scrooge MacDuck

When you have time.
Obviously the preferred state of affairs is an inclusion debate, but could you make a preliminary ruling on Doctor Who Comes to MINECRAFT! (webcast) being valid or invalid? There seems to be some disagreement whether we should prima facie regard this as a trailer or not. Najawin ☎  20:53, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Sandbox
So the charity stuff was going to more be directed at validity, since, as you stated, we do cover some BBC charity work. But to my knowledge Adventures in Lockdown has some of the first valid charity works, if not the first. As for Time, fair play if there's upcoming stuff there, but my concern was more that there are other personifications of time that occasionally use the name Time that aren't merged with that page. Hence by that standard we should either be splitting the page or merging it with, say, Father of Time. Obviously that's subject to change if new details manifest, and given that we're one month shy of two years without forums, I'm sure that it'll be resolved before we get the forums back. Najawin ☎  16:14, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Also, when you have the time, I'd appreciate input at Talk:You Are The Absurd Hero (short story), since I assume you've read it. Najawin ☎  03:09, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh, Socrates, you. I'm not sure it does, it says "the likes of AUDIO: Flip-Flop", and specifically references the "choose your own adventure" style. That's not the only nonlinear style of storytelling though. And this is why I think a thread is needed, because the limits of this were never really hashed out, this happened when the forums were down. Najawin ☎  18:14, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Another sandbox thing, when you have the time and inclination, we all sort of read T:BOUND as saying "don't make large changes to multiple pages/the wiki as a whole without talking about it - tacit approval/active editing from editors/admins itself constitutes some degree of policy" (see, for instance, User talk:Shambala108 and Talk:Hugh Grant). I've listed this as something that I might want to start a thread on, but, honestly, I'm not sure a thread is needed, it might be something that could just be written into T:BOUND without any discussion, since it does seem to be how everyone seems to interpret that rule afaik. Obviously you'd know best, but I figured I'd bring the issue up. Cheers. Najawin ☎  08:15, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

The Spiral Politic Database
So, fun topic here, The Spiral Politic Database has some subsections here that are redlinked. I'm more than willing to write up treatments of them, but I have a question or two. Crimes Against History and A Tour of the Capital have details on publishing dates and authors. I, uh, can't find that for the redlinked stories. (Well, I don't even think the stories in question are particularly narrative, but I digress.) (Also, I guess the page for TSPD would imply that they were all uploaded on 14 September 2002, but this doesn't help with the authors, and it's also not sourced. The Wayback machine isn't fine-grained enough to prove this.) I asked Nate if he knew, and if someone can scrounge up an answer that's great, but, in all honesty, given the nature of this, (a web article from 20 years ago that probably a few hundred people max even read at the time) I'm skeptical. Given that, should I make the pages sans publication dates/author fields? That's, uh, interesting precedent if it's the first time we've done that. Najawin ☎  06:47, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

BBV scripts
Honestly, I'm thinking about breaking down and making an AO3 or something. But I don't plan on doing the BBV stuff until after User:Najawin/Sandbox 2 is dealt with, so don't worry about it for now. Najawin ☎  22:32, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Subpages proposal
Hi Scrooge, I've recently put the finishing coat of polish on User:NateBumber/Sandbox/1, T:SUBPAGE for short. It's, uhh, it's not short, but it's thorough, and I've also spelled out why I think it could be accomplished without waiting for the forums. If you get the chance to look it over and let me know what you think, I'd really appreciate it! – n8 (☎) 17:34, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Some small issues when you're free
Hey. User:Shambala108's been less active recently, so I figured I'd reach out to you about an issue I left on her talk page. Could you read through Talk:Origins (comic story) when you have the chance and comment as to the precedent? There's some disagreement between a newer user with Epsilon and myself. Similarly, if you could talk to User:Sum41Champ at some point about their edits that would be lovely. I honestly don't know how to handle this whole situation, I don't think someone actively trying to engage should be blocked, but they constantly do things that Shambala has told them not to do (and that Nate and I have advised them are a bad idea), leading me to basically just read all of their edits to make sure they're not breaking anything. Najawin ☎  06:23, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Crikeytown
You've read The Crikeytown Cancellations, right? Would you say that the minor instances in panels 60 and 61 constitute additions to Obverse Books? This is a really weird story to deal with as far as wiki policy is concerned. Najawin ☎  06:54, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * It's just the whole varying levels of fiction thing is something the wiki has never had super duper clear policies on. Thanks, I'll make a note. Najawin ☎  08:19, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * So I'm unaware of the An Ordinary Man situation, and it seems that this is in the archived forums. Can't comment on that. As for Legacies... Well... That's a messy issue. Regardless, you're probably right that
 * They say that UK copyright law does not consider references in fiction to someone else's IP to be a breach of copyright.
 * does establish the precedent, though it seems from some quick googling that UK copyright law seems to think this because UK copyright law for fictional characters is largely unwritten. So it may be that this will change in the future. But looks like you're right for now. Najawin ☎  07:56, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * So, minor detail. For Paddy Whack and Bossy Boots, I'd prefer to give them the Dunfunnin individuals category, rather than the Crikeytown individuals one. Not a huge deal, can change if need be. The issue is that to do so, rule of 3 says I need three things to make a category, and I'd rather not make a page for Gunga Din 2000. Just a bad look. So would you suggest I ignore the rule of 3 or just stick them in the Crikeytown individuals category? Najawin ☎  03:36, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Someone went ahead and made the page, blatantly plagiarizing my work. Moot point now I guess. Just an area I'm a little uncomfortable with. Najawin ☎  18:06, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Discussions AbuseFilter
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Question about User Sandboxes/Subpages
So I just had a thought. And I figured I would ask an admin. I did a careful reading of T:NO FANFIC, T:NOT HOST, T:USER BAD, T:USER FANFIC, and even Forum:Charity anthology short stories. There's no explicit forbiddance of a user creating a sandbox to talk about a charity story, or a story that's supposed to be set in the DWU but rights issues fell through. The only thing that could be read that way is
 * but which have nothing to do with the DWU

In T:USER BAD, but these things do have to do with the DWU in a broad sense, and the narrow sense given in the linked article also means we shouldn't talk about invalid sources in sandboxes. Which is obviously not policy. Now this is me just spitballing here, hence why I'm asking an admin if it's kosher, or if it's something that we should probably have a thread about, or something that's just going to be fundamentally nixed because "we don't cover those" - even though this is a separate namespace. Najawin ☎  01:15, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I was actually thinking Force Majeure at some point. Or perhaps The Other Side of the World. (I was also thinking that it would be a potential solution in some far off future if we ever revisit the problem of Charity publication. Splitting wikis tends to shrink editor base, so it seemed like a potential "compromise".) Najawin ☎  07:52, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Vandal
Hi there’s a vandal 180.194.22.76 who keeps vandalising the Many Lives of Doctor Who page as well as others Valeyard12.5 ☎  22:37, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Vandal
Hi there is a user whose vandalising Dinosaurs on a Spaceship. He appears to be a repeat offender and sock puppet Valeyard12.5 ☎  15:54, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Hey Scrooge,

I saw you added some of The Train in Vain and the Junkmail Messiah (comic story) images last year, do you happen to know how to get a copy? I can't find it anywhere. DrWHOCorrieFan ☎  22:14, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
 * You're awesome thank you! Don't suppose you know how to find a copy of the Miranda comic too? DrWHOCorrieFan ☎  22:18, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Again, thank you so much! Has that only just been made available? I've searched for it on those sites before not long ago. DrWHOCorrieFan ☎  22:33, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Could you please add Chinese interlanguage link to Main Page
Hello,

We have established Chinese Doctor Who Wiki. Could you please add Chinese interlanguage link to Main Page? Thank you for any help you can offer!

-LittlePaw365 ☎  15:31, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your reply! I looked into your Main Page's source code, and I think  would be okay. The full link should be   if necessary. LittlePaw365  ☎  16:31, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
 * It works now! Again, thank you for all your help! LittlePaw365 ☎  16:57, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Tellymustard
Could you please have a word with User:Tellymustard. They've recently been moving stories on the timeline pages based solely on release order and episodes productions, which have been causing more harm than good. Their recent edit of moving Midnight to before Silence of the Library on the Tenth Doctor theory, and moving stories that directly follow Forest of the Dead to before it due to their relation to Midnight filled me with such a rage I nearly went to their talk page to tell them to stop, but I managed to temper myself after I logged on. Instead, I thought I'd come to an admin instead to voice my frustrations, since a word from them might have more impact than a rant from me, since I'll probably get blocked for my feedback becoming a personnel attack, and I'd rather avoid that while I'm in the middle of editing Tenth Doctor articles.

Something else I wanted to get off my chest is that they had recently been sending me repeated messages to respond to a talk page that made me feel harassed by them, but I think my message to them to stop was heard.

Apologies for disturbing you with this, but I thought I should bring it up to someone with authority. Many thanks for listening, BananaClownMan ☎  18:35, 13 November 2022 (UTC)


 * I am genuinely sorry. I shouldn’t of done that, you should of gone to my talk page and given me what I deserve. Tellymustard ☎  21:17, 13 November 2022 (UTC)


 * I'd have to second BananaClownMan's request so as to avoid an edit war at Theory:Timeline - Eleventh Doctor. Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon ☎  20:37, 13 November 2022 (UTC)


 * And I don't think their edit summary at said page reading "They are though. Now stop. They have been this whole fucking time" is appropriate. Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon ☎  21:04, 13 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Sorry to message a third time, but I'd consider the latest edit summary on Theory:Timeline - Thirteenth Doctor ("next time fix it and don’t be an nasty American") a personal attack. Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon ☎  21:11, 13 November 2022 (UTC)


 * I agree with User:Jack "BtR" Saxon that some admin intervention is required, and that whatever actions they decide to be appropriate should be taken regarding User:Tellymustard's actions and words; since recently joining the wiki, they have brought disorder to timelines, insisted on changes that were slowly undone from discusions on talk pages, harassed editors to reply to talk pages without considering what they might be doing in their personnel lives that might be delaying such actions, made rude comments and engaged in foul language against a fellow editor, the last two can be seen here. I'd go so far as to say these could be considered violations of the "no personnel attacks" rule, but that is for an admin to decide, and since User:Scrooge MacDuck is the only admin that contributes to timeline pages these days, I believe they can make the most unbiased decision.BananaClownMan ☎  00:56, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I have mixed feelings on User talk:Tellymustard which also likely includes personal attacks. On the one hand, yeah, white Americans are pretty awful, speaking as one myself. On the other, it's not really something you should use as an insult, it's more a self deprecating joke. Similar to how a lot of left wing Brits complain about how they're British. My personal view is "who among us hasn't violated T:NPA", this alone gets an eye roll from me. It's rude and should be addressed, but not the end of the world. The real issue is that he's continuing to be disruptive after other users have repeatedly asked him not to be, and isn't even slowing down. This isn't a DiS situation where we had a very high quality editor who just couldn't stop getting into fights every few days. DiS frustrated me, but I was perfectly willing to tolerate him for the work he did. This is someone who's repeatedly being disruptive in how they edit and constantly being rude to people. At the very least they need time to cool off and think about how we edit things imo. Najawin ☎  01:13, 14 November 2022 (UTC)


 * I really should of first gone onto the talk page for my edits on ten and eleven’s timeline. I also harrased bananaclownman which I think I really should get some sort of punishment for. I know this isn’t helping my case but I think on thirteens timeline both me and jack (Is that what we call you? Or are we supposed to use your full username?) well I think both me and jack did some things we shouldn’t of though. Jack should of gave me time to fix my edits before he reverted them again. Also I was unclear about what he was talking about, I thought he was talking about the good doctor being italicized not it takes you away. But I shouldn’t of snapped at him like that and I shouldn’t of called him a American. Tellymustard ☎  06:32, 14 November 2022 (UTC)


 * It's too late to try and salvage the situation. Now you have made offensive language towards other users and made racial remarks by using "Nasty albino Americans" to describe someone you thought was being "nasty" to you when their only crime was correcting an error in your editing judgment, but have also invaded what was to be a message for User:ScroogeMacDuck alone and made a mountain out of a mole hill by continuing this harassing behavior, I fear I can only recommend that User:Tellymustard be exiled from the wiki for however long an admin believes is warranted for conduct unbecoming an editor. I'm only sorry that User:ScroogeMacDuck has to take time out of what I imagine is a busy schedule to intervene.BananaClownMan ☎  08:45, 14 November 2022 (UTC)


 * I didn’t continue harrassing. I am sorry for harrassing you on your talk page. I also was not racist, all I said was that white male americans are generally not good people, and it is also not racist because I am a white male american. Tellymustard ☎  09:23, 14 November 2022 (UTC)


 * I'm gay but it absolutely wouldn't be acceptable for me to say that another user is acting like a nasty homosexual. Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon ☎  09:28, 14 November 2022 (UTC)


 * I am sorry for using the term albino I see how that is descriminatory. The homosexual example is different because gay people haven’t done anything bad. White male americans are sometimes fascists (ex: nerdrotic). But I see how that comment might of offended some people and I shouldn’t of been that extreme. I am not against Americans, my best friend is a white American lesbian. I simply dislike nazis and I am sorry for making such a généralisation. Not all white male Americans are facsist, just some are. Tellymustard ☎  09:40, 14 November 2022 (UTC)


 * I think we've given Scrooge enough to think about here. Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon ☎  09:55, 14 November 2022 (UTC)


 * When I think about it I am sorry for the whole statement. Tellymustard ☎  10:02, 14 November 2022 (UTC)