Forum:The Daft Dimension and Doctor Who? as parallel universes

Opening post
Alrighty! I can't claim to be all that great at forming long-winded arguments of this nature, so I hope you're all willing to bear with me here.

To cut to the chase: Doctor Who? and The Daft Dimension should be validated as taking place in parallel universes. Or at the very least just acknowledged as taking place in parallel universes in general, "valid" or not.

The strongest case I can make for both works is authorial intent.

For Doctor Who?, said authorial intent is already addressed on that series page: as a product of DWM under Marvel UK, the gag comic is classed as a part of a reality in the official Marvel Multiverse, specifically, Earth-333333333, explicitly a different reality from the main Whoniverse (Earth-5556). A bunch of other Marvel properties are all also a part of this reality, but I'll leave that up to those who are more knowledgable on the strips.

As for The Daft Dimension, look no further than this post from the man himself; Lew Stringer not only considers it to be, as the title of the strip implies, set within its own, "daft" dimension where everything is much more silly, but he even goes as far as to suggest a shared universe with his other works.

Whether these universes should be classed as "validly existing in the Doctor Who multiverse" is something that you guys can decide on, but the intention is still clear in that these are not supposed to be in the Doctor's universe. The Doctor (Doctor Who?) and The Doctor (The Daft Dimension) are two completely different characters from the Doctor (N-Space). Their respective universes, and their inhabitants therein, are different from N-Space and those therein. It's as simple as that. WaltK ☎

P.S: As a side note, I'd like to give a special thanks to our own Scrooge MacDuck for directing me to Lew Stringer's testimony on the matter. WaltK ☎

Discussion
I support validating these two series and treating them as parallel universes, per authorial intent. Pluto2 ☎ 19:41, 16 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Ditto Pluto2 Cousin Ettolrahc ☎  20:08, 16 April 2023 (UTC)


 * I think I support validating these but only under a specific condition which might involve actually changing the text of our rules.


 * Here's my stance. I think, in practice for at least several years, the website has functioned with the idea that T:NPOV does have an exception when it's a case of an alternate reality. So, while Spiral Scratch and The Brink of Death are both treated with equal weight, two different universes are not. We don't need to cite Exile's off-color theory about gender-swapping regenerations every single time the topic comes up because, well... To use a phrase I once came up with that's been misappropriated recently, it's a universe, not the universe.


 * So if we allowed these two topics in the valid subspace, I would only want it with the promised condition that not only do these two universes not qualify for universal T:NPOV, but in-practice we're actually implementing the opposite. The Tenth Doctor's page only needs to mention or link to Tenth Doctor (The Dark Dimension) a single time in the "alternate realities" subsection or subpage. We do not need to constantly be saying "Oh this might have been true, but it was contradicted by one source. (COMIC: The Daft Dimension).


 * It is only if we accept this sort of anti-T:NPOV that I would even begin to consider that allowing these pages in the valid space would actively do anything other than making the website worse. OS25🤙☎️ 20:12, 16 April 2023 (UTC)


 * I agree with bestie OttselSpy25. These should be valid, but under those rules. Also I think the wiki would benefit from a rule that doesn't exclude official parodies straight away as sometimes, rarely, but sometimes parodies are intended to be in the Doctor Who multiverse. Also I think the wiki would also benefit from differentiating between Doctor Who comedies and Doctor Who parodies some more. The aforementioned often gets declared invalid because it's mistaken for the latter. See: Looking for Pudsey. 81.108.82.15talk to me 20:22, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

You have some good points there! Technically, we've never validated a "satire" or "parody" for being DWU by proxy of intention to be a parallel universe.

Also, I wanted to mention quickly that my Anti-T:NPOV idea isn't really a new policy, as it's more of a T:BOUND issue of a rule we've been acting off of for years which we've never written down.

Finally, I have a question. What are we going to do about the occasional Quinnn & Dicky stories which we do cover as valid? For instance, COMIC: Nostalgia Corner. Does this story feature John Who, or should the information in the story be moved to John Who (Doctor Who?)?

Are we going to continue and presume that there are Quinn & Dicky stories set in the "primary" DWU, or will we now retroactively say that all currently-valid Quinn & Dicky stories take place in Earth-33 1/3? See also: The Test of Time, Enlightenment. OS25🤙☎️ 20:39, 16 April 2023 (UTC)


 * I have ...misgivings with validating Doctor Who? in this manner, but I could accede at the end of the day if everyone really really wants it? Given that parodies are strictly verboten on T:VS and this is a parody of Doctor Who, unlike CoFD, I think I'm against validity. (Gonna guess that it's more controversial than the people above suspect though.) I simply can't imagine validating Daft Dimension based on the evidence linked. That's so astonishingly poor that it boggles the mind. I have no qualms with treating either as alternate universes that are invalid, if that's authorial intent. Though it is a bit odd. ("According to an invalid source there is a parallel universe in which xyz happened, but that invalid source tells us nothing about what the main DWU universe would be like that we still couldn't cover on IU pages because it would be invalid". I mean, sure. A bit weird, but knock yourself out.) Najawin ☎  01:16, 17 April 2023 (UTC)


 * The title the Daft Dimension seems enough proof to me it’s set in another reality. Another dimension. Even without the authorial intent. Even if I hated the idea of these being valid, I’d have to concede due to the overwhelming evidence that they pass rule 4 on title alone 81.108.82.15talk to me 01:48, 17 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Well, to be absolutely fair, the comic is named after The Dark Dimension, which itself wasn't set in a dimension but a timeline. But semantics. OS25🤙☎️ 02:04, 17 April 2023 (UTC)


 * The title is very much a reference to The Dark Dimension. I don't in any way see that as "overwhelming evidence" for rule 4. Najawin ☎  02:19, 17 April 2023 (UTC)


 * That’s fair, but the author’s intent then backing it up as well. Fair enough if you disagree, but I’m firmly in the “valid because they fit the rules, even if I don’t like it” category. 81.108.82.15talk to me 10:12, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

The source provided says no such thing. It's a blatant misrepresentation of that link to portray it as suggesting that authorial intent takes it to be in the mainline DWU. If there's other evidence, I'm willing to consider it. But the evidence provided is nowhere near sufficient. Najawin ☎  19:17, 17 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Fair, but disagree. The evidence for validity seems clear rule 4 pass to me. 81.108.82.15talk to me 19:27, 17 April 2023 (UTC)