Forum:Dalek Empire Sourcebooks- Are There Any?

As you have no doubt noticed if you patrol the Recent Changes, I have been working on filling in redlink pages for the Dalek Empire series. Some of the characters, like Project Infinity Director Espeelius for example, I only have their voice (and subsequent dialogue) to reference to at the moment. Now, in the case of Espeelius, the post-production work done on his voice makes him sound, to me, like a big fat red lizard-man with a dewlap that vibrates as he talks. No vague descriptions of him were given, not even in casual mention. So, I am not sure how to go about writing a brief article about him when all I have at the moment to describe him is a voice. I plan on ordering Short Trips: Dalek Empire to further help in the creation of these articles, and I am hoping that Espeelius (among other characters) is mentioned and described. Other than that, though, are there any other sourcebooks that may help with this project?  Trak Nar  Ramble on 09:10, 19 November 2008 (UTC)


 * There's the Dalek Empire script book The TARDIS Library - Dalek Empire - The Scripts (as it's not currently on BF website that I can find). I'm sure Espelius is described somewhere (though at the moment it totally escapes me, would it be in The Fearless?). Also want to say great work with the various articles connect to Dalek Empire, many have been on my to do list but it's been an age since I listened to all of them. --Tangerineduel 11:54, 19 November 2008 (UTC)


 * whoah, I had no idea that script book existed. --Stardizzy2 20:04, 19 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Heh, thanks. Writing articles with mostly audio sources has proven to be quite a challenge, but it's worth it.  But, to have the scripts!  Complete with production notes, no doubt!  That would definately make these articles easier to write, especially since I will be able to double-check any quotes and such.  Though, I currently have the Dalek Survival Guide and it has a wealth of information concerning Dalek Empire.  Though, due to the joking nature of some parts of the book, I have seen in various places that it is not considered a canonical source.  Thus, I have been hesitant to reference from it.  Can the book be used as a source?  Trak Nar  Ramble on 04:44, 21 November 2008 (UTC)


 * can't afford the audio books (unless I wanted to live exclusively on canned beans) and would feel guilty if I torrented them. --Stardizzy2 18:43, 21 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I assume you're talking about the Dalek Survival Guide? I'd err on the side of no (I've just grabbed it off my shelf) and as you say there's a lot of joking in it. Some of the stuff is from I think from Terry Nation's Dalek Special and The Official Doctor Who & the Daleks Book other stuff is from 1960s annuals and stuff. So I would use it as a secondary source to back up main sources, to flesh out vague details. (Reference it as a REF). But I'd again say to go on the side of caution when using the information just because it sort of sits in-between in-universe and not-quite-in-universe. --Tangerineduel 12:38, 21 November 2008 (UTC)


 * most of the books listed as "reference books" don't qualify. "nonfiction books" seems the more accurate label. (I think someone took the reference books label from the Star Trek and/or Star Wars Wikis, which, again, use the designation incorrectly.) having flipped through it, I think the Dalek Survival Guide borrows from everywhere. I know it had many co-authors. --Stardizzy2 18:42, 21 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, there isn't alot of joking in it, but there are parts that made me chuckle. For example, stuff from the chapter "How to Survive Enforced Captivity With a Dalek," while written in a serious manner, made me chuckle.  Though, it could just be that I have a very strange sense of humour.  The rest of the book, however, is written seriously and a number of things pertaining to Dalek Empire I were factual (having been able to double-check with the audio).  Most of the stuff that I would have referenced to mostly would have been details about the Robomen, Special Weapons Dalek (the various types that have made appearences in Dalek Empire), and anything else that related to Dalek Empire.


 * Oh, thanks for pointing out the REF tag as I was wondering about that. From my tenure on Wookieepedia, I am accustomed to referencing with the following style:    I was unsure on how reference books were, well, referenced to here as I had not found it mentioned in the MoS and such.  Thanks for pointing that out to me. ^^  Trak Nar  Ramble on 08:06, 22 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I actually created the Reference Books label (and other bits of it), I thought it was quite logical. They are books that can be used for reference of the DW universe be it in-universe (like AHistory or out of universe like The Television Companion). The Nonfiction label doesn't quite apply for books like Ahistory as it's not really non-fiction in the traditional sense, it's a reference book with fictional content. --Tangerineduel 11:25, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
 * As for referencing anything that is in an out-of-universe article is as you used it, using footnotes, anything in an in-universe article is in brackets with the prefix followed by the source in italics. --Tangerineduel 11:25, 22 November 2008 (UTC)