Howling:5 things to look for: Red telephone/red phonebox

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Please see the original thread Howling:5 Things to look for in Series 5 and the summary thread Forum:5 things to look for: Overall.

This was originally proposed in Michael Downey's original thread on "5 things to look for".

--Falcotron 01:40, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * The Eleventh Hour: A red telephone box was prominently displayed on the green of Leadworth.
 * The Beast Below: An identical red telephone box was seen in the background of the London market on Starship UK.
 * Victory of the Daleks: No red phonebox. (If one had appeared, this would certainly be significant, because it would have been anachronistic.) However, of the 5 phones in the War Room, the red one was in the center, one of only two that ever rang or was used (the other being green). On the other hand, it was the green one, not the red, that people were twice shown (and heard) talking on in the foreground.
 * The Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone: ?In the window of the museum, there is a red diagonal line. Could this be the phone box?

I might broaden this to RED overall. I noticed a lot of red in the series. At first i thought it was just some kind of art direction and maybe not intentional or symbolic. Red even became a plot point when the Doctor tells Amy to be sure to use red ink for the note. Who uses red ink? 173.57.144.238 15:57, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

red symbolises danger. that's probably the reason for alot of red. Lu-igi board


 * (Quote and response to the above comment.) Um... no, in the Empty Child Arc, the Doctor said that mauve was the intergalactical danger color. Red's just humans. 142.59.160.247 01:56, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

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I can't believe this...This is so incredibly stupid...Haha..Are you guys serious? Haha...What happened? Did you have your brains lobotomized by the Daleks/Cybermen? hahaha...I am sorry, but I laughed so hard that I almost spitted out my stomach...You noticed two red telephone boxes in the entire Series and you believe it's a theme?!? I'm sure you see more instances of telephones, clocks, pictures, clothes, cars, paper, glasses, stones, humans, etc. Also, red is a theme because there were four instances with red in it?!? I think there are many more instances of red in the series, and same for blue, green, white, black, yellow...This is hilarious...It's like mankind has suddenly became thre new Oods overnight... --203.168.176.42 16:34, July 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * Please don't insult other users. If that is all you are here to do, then please leave. Remember guys, River's lipstick and shoes were both red. Plus the red energy barrier created by the Silurians, including their blasters as well. The "Blood" of the Cybermen, blood being red, and in City of the Daleks, the Daleks seen are mostly the Drone Daleks, which are red. The Thirteenth Doctor 17:00, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * 13: However, as said in Mazes of Time (the only adventure games for the iPod, and iPhone), the drones are the grunt workers, the patrolers. They are the soldiers, commanded mostly by the strategists, the deadliest of them all. Other daleks wouldn't come out to do boring stuff like patrol when they could get a drone to do it! Also, to whoever posted the above comment, I could just as easily criticize ever single one of your theories. 142.59.160.247 01:56, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

hahaha...Do women normally use blue lipsticks now...or do we usually purple energy barriers and blasters....Blood of the Cybermen had no blood...this is hilarious...I am sure all major colours blue, green, yellow, white and black have appeared very often in the series...There are people who actually agree with this? No wonder there are all those stupid accidents on the news...Oh no...shadows must be a theme throughout all the Series...and so are humans....The humans must be plotting something against the Timelords...or more specifically women...There are so many women in the series...The must be the Voice....They will break through the time lock and steal all Timelord technology to conquer the Universe... --222.166.181.129 17:18, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Like I said. If you're here to simply insult, then please leave. The Thirteenth Doctor 17:24, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

Well, I for one was picking up on Red thru out the season before I even knew there were "5 things" to look for. There seemed to be a theme about red and blue. With blue possibly representing the TARDIS or Doctor. And Amy wears a lot of red. The reds also tended to be be bright reds like the bright blue of the TARDIS. I guess since I am in the creative industry I pick up on things like this. Whether it was just for a look or more symbolic I cant say. But obviously more than one person noticed. You can disagree but there isnt any reason to be snide and insulting. This is just as plausible as people say Eyes were one of the 5 things. There appears to be no consensus on what those 5 things were 173.57.144.238 17:02, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

From the Lodger: Red Box Magnet on fridge. 173.57.144.238 17:28, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

If you remember correctly, in the episode The Empty Child, purple is the color of danger (Purple alert). This episode was penned by Steven Moffat (it is also stated that red for danger is a human thing, the rest of the universe use purple). In the two-parter The Hungry Earth/Cold Blood, blue plants are planted to symbolize to keep out. So no, red phone box do not symbolize danger, they only represent England (which makes sense to make allusion to in The Beast Below along with the tube allusion). So we should look out for blue/purple thing instead like this blue phone box that keep appearing every episode! --4me 17:48, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

Well, people like 4me saw my point, and you can't...Good job, Mr. 173 who answered himself as The Thirteenth Doctor. It is always better to insult with a point than to say senseless things. Why don't you go to other forums and start threads about your "5 things to look for: Doctor", "5 things to look for: Trees", "5 things to look for: Technology", "5 things to look for: Words", "5 things to look for: Sounds in General", "5 things to look for: Visual Stuff in General", "5 things to look for: Anything After the Opening and Before the Rolling Credit", "5 things to look for: Every Single Frame of the Show That is Not Blank Has Something in It", etc. A forum is suppose to discuss things and contribute to the greater knowledge...saying meaningless things with no thoughts is just borderline vadalism. --203.168.176.42 18:36, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

This [|This Pic] from Amy's Choice illustrates what I am talking about. Well both pix on that page do. Someone made a concious decision when it came to colors. Or do you believe they just shot some random playground? Whether it is just art direction or more plot related I cant say. 173.57.144.238 18:43, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

203, "Did you have your brains lobotomized by the Daleks/Cybermen?". This most probably insulted everyone who has taken part in this conversation. This discussion is not bordering on vandalism, but comments like that are. And they are not meaningless thoughts. The Thirteenth Doctor 19:33, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

There were only two red telephone boxes in the entire series, it doesn't mean anything. It's to different to the fact that we see clocks a lot in, well, every series. They're just your typical every-day things. I saw a couple of red telephone boxes when I went out the other week - does this mean our world is connected to the Whoniverse? No. They're just British things. The first red telephone box appeared in Leadworth, which makes ense, that it in the UK. The second red telephone box appeared on Starship UK, which makes sense, as Starship UK holds lots of hints and references to the original UK (such as the Queen Elizabeth bloodline and the UK flag).

If there were loads of red telephone boxes seen throughout the series, and they appeared in very obscene places for them to be in (such as the if one appeared on the Byzantium spaceship, or in 16th century Venice) then we would need to be suspcious as to why they would keep appearing, and in bizzare places, no less. Delton Menace 21:07, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

Delton Menace 21:04, July 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * well, considering that your "everyone" only includes you and Falcotron, and everyone else actually analyse it rationally, this may be much less insulting to the world than you think. Oh, and look at that, a red merry-go-around...this must be the villain, the Voice that tried to destroyed the TARDIS! Let's ignore the fact that most of the picture is made up of brown and gray and the characters are not even on the red merry-go-around and the fact that the blue in both photos stands out more than the red ....I am sure you will find more gray stuff in the series than red. Go "Blood of the Cybermen"! Go "Mighty Thinkin' Human-Oods"! Haha... Look! Union Jack in WWII UK! That must mean Omega is involved! Oh no! Stars in the space! This must be Rassilon's doing! I'm sure that's more rational than just:
 * 1. Amy's house's rooms/missing parents
 * 2. Doctor's awkwardness in Flesh and Stone
 * 3. Belongings and things associated with the person doesn't get erased when the person is erased
 * 4. Why Amelia insisted throughout her childhood that the Doctor is her friend when she have only met her once...and even dreamed about the Doctor when Prisoner Zero tried to impersonate her, despite barely knowing him


 * 5. Why Prisoner Zero bloody knows where the Cracks come from and teased that the Doctor and the TARDIS doesn't know and also how PZ knows that the Pandorica will open

Let's go look for the colour red when it's completely unrelated to what happened to the series...God, get a brain,even a Cyberman exoskeleton's AI knows how to do that...--222.166.181.47 00:58, July 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * The everyone consists of more than me and Falcotron. I most probably have more brain power than you do, and like I said, if you are just here to insult, then leave, we don't want your kind here. The Thirteenth Doctor 10:26, July 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, no one in this thread has agreed with you two yet...your "everyone" comes from where? Please do not tell me you consider "Look, red!" a contribution...What I listed above are contributions..."Look, red!" is not consider a contribution, it's only considered a reaction of the educationally sub-normals. --222.166.181.27 16:38, July 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * None of the contributions say "Look, red!" The discussion started out on another page which you'd know if you'd care to read the page through at all, which you obviously haven't, because 173.57.144.238 agrees. The other page began talking about the red phone boxes and telephones and we've developed it to look for more red things. River's shoes, for instance, are red. You wouldn't normally wear red and black, so why is this especially chosen, and focused on? --The Thirteenth Doctor 17:47, July 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * More for the Victory of Daleks, the progenitor machine had red energy pulsing through it while it was creating the Daleks. The Thirteenth Doctor 21:44, July 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * I contributed to that thread...Red phonebox was rejected pretty much in the beginning for its stupidity. Red is just beyond stupid....and you're not making sense, people do normally wear red with black...I see tons of them on the street, just like how people normally wear red lipstick. Why don't you bloody go start opening threads about every single colour, a lot more colours will have appeared more prominently. You can invest your life in looking through 1 single series of Doctor Who, looking for every single colour...or you know what, you should start doing "List of Appearances - the colour white" and so on. People didn't comment because they think this thread doesn't discuss anything. Moreover, since you firmly believe that "red" is the thing to look for, how does it tie to the series ending? How are River's shoes being focused on? It isn't, you bloody focused on it because you have a brain that doesn't go far beyond a simple response system reacting upon seeing anything. If you were looking for eyes, would you say "the doctor has eyes, Amy has eyes"? Saying red is one of the themes is already the stupidest thing on earth, but saying mindless things like "there are red phone boxes within UK", "her lipstick is red", "1 of the five coloured Dalek models (which covered most colours) is red, and drones appear most often and the fact that it would be extremely odd to see more strategists/scientists/etc than drones is irrelevant", and of course the "RED ENERGY BEAM WHICH HAVE BLOODY APPEARED IN COUNTLESS SCI-FI'S AND MANY OTHER SHOWS THROUGHOUT HISTORY AND ONE OF THE ONLY TWO PROMINENTLY USED COLOUR TO DEPICT LASER ON TV WITH THE OTHER COLOUR GREEN BEING USED BY THE DOCTOR'S SONIC SCREWDRIVER"...If you really think you are making sense, I suggest you bury yourself -- you are just wasting time and Earth's resources. --203.168.176.42 04:25, July 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * You don't wear red with only black. That's a rule of fashion. River's shoes were focused on, the camera followed and showed only them. And a theme does not have to tie into a series ending. Or perhaps you didn't know that? I never said that red was the main or only thing to look for, I simply pointed out that there was a lot of red focused on and involved in events of the plots. I'm not going to go and look through the series for every colour, and they obviously haven't been as prominent as red as nobody picked up on them. I suggest you leave now as you are not contributing helpfully and are in fact insulting other users. If you do so again, I will request you be blocked. --The Thirteenth Doctor 12:09, July 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hello, DID YOU READ THE TITLE OF THE THREAD? IT SAYS "5 things to look for", these things tie to the ending...Matt Smith said it, and he did know anything about Series 6 when he said it! And first of all, where did you get this "rule of fashion" from? This "rule" contradicts everything every major brand sells and I have no idea how a "rule of fashion" could be tied in to plot/continuity about a character from the future in a sci-fi series. Please do state the source where you learn this rule from. It's obvious that you have no idea what's going on and what "5 things to look for" means and you repeatedly just throw in random senseless moments with the colour "red". When people disagree with you, you just say "no" and keeps on spamming the thread. When people tell you how you are wrong and your points are irrational and trivial, you gets all defensive and act like who you really are. You just have to accept the fact that the Series is over, and the "5 things to look for" is definitely not red. You consider yourself contributing information when you just listed meaningless moments with "red" in it just because you want red to be the theme and you consider this list:
 * 1. Amy's house's rooms/missing parents
 * 2. Doctor's awkwardness in Flesh and Stone
 * 3. Belongings and things associated with the person doesn't get erased when the person is erased
 * 4. Why Amelia insisted throughout her childhood that the Doctor is her friend when she have only met her once...and even dreamed about the Doctor when Prisoner Zero tried to impersonate her, despite barely knowing him
 * 5. Why Prisoner Zero bloody knows where the Cracks come from and teased that the Doctor and the TARDIS doesn't know and also how PZ knows that the Pandorica will open

not a contribution? If you really think so then you should re-watch the series 100 times before you start analysing anything or commenting again. --222.166.181.241 13:58, July 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * Now here's a stupid idea - s5 & 6 is a two-part series, and the five things lead to the finale of 6... -- Dragonfree  OVER 4,000 EDITS 14:08, July 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * I would be most surprised if Matt Smith knew what was coming in Series 6...and there were more than 5 things that we could look for that're some sort of hints to the S5 finale...Moreover, it was just Matt Smith's personal opinion anyway...--203.168.176.42 15:42, July 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * I would be most surprised if Matt Smith knew what was coming in Series 6...and there were more than 5 things that we could look for that're some sort of hints to the S5 finale...Moreover, it was just Matt Smith's personal opinion anyway...--203.168.176.42 15:42, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

Yes 222, it's not helpful contribution. All he is doing is insulting other users and calling them stupid. I have at no point said that this is one of the five things, and in fact, the title is just so that it is known where this came from. I never said it was one of the five things, nor do I think it is one of the five things. I, along with the others, were just noting the occurrences of red which may or may not be important. At no point did I ever say "Red is what it is all about. I bet you red is the big bad guy at the end of series 6." Your attitudes towards other users is not helpful nor liked. Like I have suggested many times, if that is all you are here to do, then leave. --The Thirteenth Doctor 18:01, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

I am 222 and I was talking about you. Are you agreeing that you were just talking rubbish and made no helpful contribution? because obviously, no one is on your side...and are you trying to say that you are listing all these occurences of "red" in a thread intended to say "red is one of the 5 things to look for" because you don't agree with it and for no particular reason? You probably should have started another thread instead of spamming this one. I am discussing how red is NOT one of the 5 things...and you, you are here for what? Listing random shots with red and making ridiculously stupid statements that you are now saying is completely irrelevant to the thread? It's funny how you can decide for Falcotron... You are the only one who is going on and on about a rejected idea refusing to believe what others say, making no new arguments or supports... Go start a thread named "Highly Ambiguous and So-Speculative-That-It's-Almost-Impossible Ideas That're Completely Irrelevant to Anything and of Highly Questionable Importance"...this thread is labeled "5 things to look for: Red telephone/red phonebox". You either contribute to the topic by providing supports to it or by showing supports to reject it, not by listing random stuffs that you don't know what's for. Do you think it's necessary that all of the "Continuities" sections in the articles be highly detailed descriptions of every scene? It is you who is not being helpful and didn't contribute any argument, funny how you seem to describe yourself all the time regardless of who your comments are directed. --222.166.181.229 21:17, July 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * Did you even read my post? If you can't be bothered to do that then I'm not even going to bother with you. The article started about the phone box then developed. Every single one of the IP posts, save 173's, have had comments calling those who are talking about red stupid and insulting them. That is not acceptable on this wiki. I'm not going to discuss this any more here. If you have beef with me then take it up with me on my talk page. Like I said above at no point did I say red was one of the five things. 173 said he may broaden it to red overall. I simply listed several things which were red throughout the series. In no way is that spamming. But like I said, I'm not discussing it here with immature people any more. The Thirteenth Doctor 21:28, July 29, 2010 (UTC)