Talk:City of the Daleks (video game)

Infobox
What is wrong with the infobox? ☆ The Solar Dragon  ( Talk - Contribs.) ☆ 10:48, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's fine now. It was because Template:! was vandalised. ☆ The Solar Dragon  ( Talk - Contribs.) ☆ 11:14, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

"Previous story"
Unless there's actually something in the game that references the events of the yet-to-be-telecast season 5 finale, it's highly doubtful it takes place after The Big Bang. All the advance publicity says it takes place after the events of Victory of the Daleks, so that's what should be indicated, barring any direct reference to suggest otherwise. (I wouldn't know - outside the UK we aren't being allowed to see the game). 68.146.81.123 13:35, June 3, 2010 (UTC) Although, the daleks get blown up. It has to be after the big bang.


 * I'm not sure "previous story" is supposed to refer to the Doctor's timeline. The question is, what _is_ it supposed to refer to?


 * There are two similar cases to look at.
 * Attack of the Graske clearly takes place after The Christmas Invasion, and it was also broadcast after that episode. However, it skips the previous and next links in its infobox, and both The Christmas Invasion and New Earth (TV story) ignore it in theirs.
 * Music of the Spheres was released between Journey's End and The Next Doctor, but probably does not take place then in the Doctor's timeline. The infobox links to those two episodes anyway, and they both include links to it as well as secondary links to skip over it, and then the Timeline section discusses the issue.


 * Just as with MotS, we don't actually know when this occurs in the Doctor's timeline, except that it's some time while the 11th Doctor is traveling with Amy after Victory of the Daleks. It could be directly after that episode, or it could be after the 2011 Christmas special. We really don't know.


 * So, the MotS solution seems reasonable. Except that in that case, MotS was the last "episode" in production numbering, and it was broadcast after the last episode as well. In this case, the BBC have said the Adventure Games count as episodes 14-17 of series 5, but and the release dates are interleaved during the year (CotD being between Cold Blood and Vincent and the Doctor), so they don't match, and I have no idea which one is supposed to go there.
 * However, the June 2nd release date was an early test version, with the offical release on June 5th. A trailer is being shown after Vincent and the Doctor. So if we go by acutal release date, the game occurs between Vincent and the Doctor and The Lodger.


 * Given all this confusion, I think it's best to use the Graske solution and just not have these links. --Falcotron 17:14, June 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * If you disagree, please undo this change manually, rather than just reverting, because I accidentally made this change together with a set of other changes.... --Falcotron 17:38, June 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * Someone has now not only put this between Cold Blood and Vincent and the Doctor (including putting proper links in those articles), but also added to the Timeline section that it appears before Vincent. I understand the argument for why it has to come after Cold Blood, but how do we know it comes before Vincent? --Falcotron 23:14, June 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * Give that the official release was just after Vincent first aired, I'd say that it would take place after Vincent.

Geek Mythology 18:44, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

I think this story takes place right after "Victory of the Daleks" because timeline-wise for the daleks they started building their army from WW2 and by 1963 they had taken over Earth. None of the episodes shown after this would have happened if they took place after the Daleks invaded if that makes sense. Plus, Amy's still wearing the same clothes from "Victory of the Daleks". 86.173.217.235 21:01, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

help
I know this isnt about the article but when I go to play the game it says theres a bug in it and it closes. Can anyone help? Darkraider09 15:53, June 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * That happened to me first time. Try again. It worked for me second time. 16:26, June 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * So far I've done it twice still no luck Darkraider09 17:01, June 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Try uninstalling and and reinstalling it again then. 17:06, June 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * There is a whole troubleshooter section on the bbc website. The major problem seems to be slow running.Baziel 03:30, June 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * I've checked every Q&A, nothing to whats wrong with mine Darkraider09 12:20, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

Collectables
How many collectables did people find? I didn't explore a huge amount, any did'nt find many ,but I'm pretty sure all those spaces can't have been filled in this one installment - there simply weren't enough places to hide them.Baziel 03:33, June 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah more found later. I've looked everywhere and I believe I've found all of them for this episode which are:

Doctors

 * Fifth
 * Sixth
 * Tenth

Companions

 * Amy Pond
 * K-9

Friends

 * Captain Adelaide Brooke
 * Adipose
 * Hath
 * Liz Ten

Enemies

 * Daleks
 * Smiler
 * Sisters of Water

Jelly Babies

 * Chocolate
 * Blackcurrent

--Vitas 03:53, June 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * If we can get a complete list of these (and I'm sure one of the gamer-nerd sources will have one soon if the BBC doesn't release one), it would probably be worth putting in the article in some form. --Falcotron 06:27, June 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * I found all of them except for the Blackcurrent Jelly Baby. Where did you find that one? 72.191.7.177 02:41, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm having problems finding the Chocolate Jelly Baby and Captain Adelaide Brooke. Does anyone know where to find them please? Dsrwade23 19:07, June 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * --- Once the Doctor has spoken to the Dalek Emperor, he jumps down the Eye of Time and enters a room. There are two floors to this room. The second floor contains Chocolate Jelly Baby. It is behind something or other - if you look carefully, you'll find it. Adelaide is in the Visualizer Room - look carefully and you should see her. And also, could you help me find Liz Ten and Amy Pond please?

Appearing Daleks?
There's conflict even within this wiki as to which Daleks are missing - this page now claims it to be the orange scientists that aren't present, I've looked again and I'm sure that's wrong. The Daleks in the story are clearly the orange ones, If anyone has trouble telling the orange and yellow apart, look at the bumps - the yellow eternal has black ones, all the others are silver. It's the eternals that don't appear.Baziel 20:39, June 4, 2010 (UTC) edit: look at the Victory_of_the_daleks.jpg‎ and compare it to the pic on this page- definitely the scientists in the story and the eternals absent.Baziel 20:43, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

Page has been edited, but that's still the Orange Dalek in the loading screen, the yellow and orange do look very similar though, it's only the black bumps (or lack of them) that show that ones orange 80.0.213.247 02:46, June 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm sure I've seen both the orange, and yellow daleks. Orange ones moving around, and a yellow one stationary in the corridor before the visualisation room. Geek Mythology 18:44, June 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nah, its an orange one before the visualiser room. Fan555 21:55, June 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nah, its an orange one before the visualiser room. Fan555 21:55, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

They look almost identical, and the lighting can trick you, but it's all in the bumps!!Baziel 14:28, June 7, 2010 (UTC)

Non-UK
I guess this site wouldn't want manual how to run game outside of UK, would it? --TakeruDavis 09:36, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

Help please
I just downloaded City of the Daleks but I need help. Just after arriving on Skaro you need to do that maze to get through the first door. But how do you do it? It is so HARD! I keep hitting the wall. Any hints on how to beat this maze?Fallen5 18:03, June 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Use a steady hand. I did it first time. 18:05, June 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * I would lower mouse sensitivity --TakeruDavis 18:19, June 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * I find it easy on a laptop mousepad type thing. Geek Mythology 18:44, June 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Small movements. Take it slowly. 18:46, June 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * I tried that – pick up, move a bit, drop, deep breath, pick up... It's annoying but manageable. At least, that is until I reach the ridiculously narrow gap at the top left edge of the maze. I hate that particular gap with a passion -- Sorceror Nobody 12:33, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * No, what seems to be happening is that I start it, drop it, and go to pick it up. As I do, the mouse flys up and hits the wall, so I fail. And I'm using a laptop mouseFallen5 16:46, June 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well then, keep your finger firmly down on the left button then. 16:49, June 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * I found the game in general easier with a mix of keyboard and trackpad instead of a mouse. --Falcotron 22:45, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

I've found another method. It's painfully slow, but in theory absolutely perfect from a precision point of view. Use your keyboard to move the cursor, pixel by pixel. If you don't know how to enable this function, details on how to do it (Windows only, sorry) can be found here -- Sorceror Nobody 12:47, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * EDIT: Yep, it definitely works, because I've just finished that tiresome puzzle. Nonetheless, that gap I hate was still a nightmare, even with this method! I hope there aren't any more of these bloody mazes (but I bet there are, and I bet they're worse) -- Sorceror Nobody 13:02, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * * Collects components, goes to assemble them, gives up in disgust* -- Sorceror Nobody 13:19, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

Controversy section needed
The article needs a Controversy section. There's sufficient criticism online now regarding the fact the game isn't being released for free outside the UK (not just fans complaining on boards, but things like the Doctor Who Information Network blog in Canada). Plus as a direct result of the game being geofenced, there are numerous media sources reporting that people are seeking pirated versions, many of which are infected with malware (EDIT: after typing this I noticed copies of the game are now even being put up for auction on eBay). Additional controversial points include the fact none of the advance publicity from the BBC indicated there would be restrictions on the release. There should be sufficient reputable sources to build a section from this. 68.146.81.123 18:49, June 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Really? EBay and pirated versions? Thats bad. It can be easily downloaded from website, with just using correct proxy. Even instalation can be fooled to think it is in UK. But I guess it could have bad consequences for this site if detailed manual was here... But if you want it, I can post it. --TakeruDavis 19:00, June 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't do it. That would violate Wikia policy and might get you in trouble with the admins. 68.146.81.123 16:41, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

Skaro makes this thing non-canonical
Irrespective of the nice sentiments from Wenger and company that this is another episode of series 5, doesn't the presence of Skaro completely render this thing non-canonical? How can Skaro have possibly survived as a place in normal space, freely visitable by the Doctor and the Daleks, if the "entire war was time-locked" (DW: The End of Time)? So the Dalek homeworld was kept, ruined, outside the time-lock, but Skaro wasn't? This story is a major challenge to one of the fundamental "truths" of the new series, and we as a wikia community, should have a serious debate as to whether to consider it canonical — quite apart from what the production team are telling us. Of course they're going to say it's a "real" episode, and that it "counts", cause ultimately they want us to buy them. (At some stage they will be on sale.) But that doesn't mean we have to fall for their schtick, does it? As Captain Jack said in The Parting of the Ways, "One minute they're the greatest threat in the universe, the next minute they vanished out of time and space." I don't see how you go from that, to "Well, actually, their planet is still here in an easily-repairable state." No, this game is deeply threatening to the mythology, if you stop and think about it for even a few minutes. We should declare it non-canonical.  Czech Out  ☎ | ✍ 15:34, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Its not for fans to say whats canon and whats not. If the officials say it is then it is. Fan555 15:41, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * You're misunderstanding the nature of canonicity in the DWU. Piers Wenger's line "Everything you see and experience within the game is a part of the Doctor Who universe" is quite a different thing to saying, "It's absolutely a part of canon." "Canon" and the "Doctor Who universe" are not strictly the same thing. Something can be set in the DWU without it being canon. Fanon is set in the DWU, but it isn't a part of it. A fan film can strive to "look and feel like a proper episode of Doctor Who", but it isn't a part of canon.


 * The official policy of the BBC on canon is that there is no policy. The officials are actually silent on whether or not this thing is a part of canon but they have used the marketing line that it is like an "extra" episode. They want us to fall for that line. And really, from strictly a viewing/playing standpoint, it's much more important that it feels like a part of the DWU than that it's a part of canon.


 * Nevertheless, canon is important to us, the editors of this wikia, because we need to know what things we can cite when writing an article, and what things we can't. Because the BBC have never held a firm view of canonicity, this wikia has therefore had to develop its own canon policy, and we have already disallowed some games under that policy. The FASA DW RPG was written with all the best intentions in the world, just like this thing. But we don't allow it as a canonical reference. I'm saying this game, too, should be under that policy.  Czech Out  ☎ | ✍ 17:07, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * This episode IS canonical. Skaro was destroyed completely in Rememberance of the Daleks, but it was the main base for the Daleks in the Time War, and was ruined. Apparently, the Skaro that was destroyed was another planet disguised! So in the Time War, the real Skaro, was left in ruins. But it wasn't Time Locked because the Doctor thought that all the Daleks didn't exsist anymore (apparently, he made the Time Locks). He also didn't Time Lock Arcadia, as the Doctor and Amy visited it before Vincent and the Doctor. So it IS in canon. Where abouts for the Doctor is probably after Victory as he (said on page) dons the jacket he lost in Flesh and Stone, but it could happen after Cold Blood, or after Vincent or the Doctor, The Lodger maybe? Also, I didn't even know the jackets were different at all! For the Daleks this takes place after Victory or The Big Bang, which might mean they take place AFTER the Main Series! Also, Jack said ""One minute they're the greatest threat in the universe, the next minute they vanished out of time and space." so Skaro could have been consumed by a Time Field! Then, as everything was released from the Pandorica, it returned to it's original place. It's an interesting theory... Kerange 17:19, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * This episode IS canonical. Skaro was destroyed completely in Rememberance of the Daleks, but it was the main base for the Daleks in the Time War, and was ruined. Apparently, the Skaro that was destroyed was another planet disguised! So in the Time War, the real Skaro, was left in ruins. But it wasn't Time Locked because the Doctor thought that all the Daleks didn't exsist anymore (apparently, he made the Time Locks). He also didn't Time Lock Arcadia, as the Doctor and Amy visited it before Vincent and the Doctor. So it IS in canon. Where abouts for the Doctor is probably after Victory as he (said on page) dons the jacket he lost in Flesh and Stone, but it could happen after Cold Blood, or after Vincent or the Doctor, The Lodger maybe? Also, I didn't even know the jackets were different at all! For the Daleks this takes place after Victory or The Big Bang, which might mean they take place AFTER the Main Series! Also, Jack said ""One minute they're the greatest threat in the universe, the next minute they vanished out of time and space." so Skaro could have been consumed by a Time Field! Then, as everything was released from the Pandorica, it returned to it's original place. It's an interesting theory... Kerange 17:19, June 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * I remember reading somewhere that there have been numerous Skaros. Once one is destroyed, the Daleks move onto a new one. Anyway, I can't ever remember it being said that Skaro was locked inside the Time War. I know Gallifrey was, but where was it ever said that Skaro was?

Also, if Skaro was made inaccessible because the "entire war was time locked" than the First Doctor should not have been able to visit there in the original Daleks storyline. And stories like Deadly Assassin and The Five Doctors should not have occurred, either. Remembering that the BBC HAS NEVER issued a firm rule on canon, then anything officially licensed by the BBC (and/or spinoff works licensed from creators) can be considered canon. That's the viewpoint of this Wiki. I can't recall if it was a novel or a Big Finish audio, but it has been established in a spin-off work that Skaro wasn't really destroyed in Remembrance. That's why the Seventh Doctor was able to go there later to get the Master's remains for the TV movie, and why Eleven is able to go there in this game. Also, if you only take TV episodes as canon, there is no reference in any episode to SKARO being time-locked, only the Time War and Gallifrey. That's sort of like saying a Time Lock is in place around the battlefields of World War I: that would include Germany and other combatants in Europe like Britain, but the US and Canada wouldn't be included. Skaro might be fine and dandy and being repopulated by Teletubby Daleks as we speak! 68.146.81.123 15:48, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

Czech, i think you misunderstand how the BCC put it. They said it was an official part of the series, not canon (if they did forget that :D). If the BBC say its part of the series, then it is. Since being in the series is canononical, then it is canon. While i see your views, there will be some explaination behind it, its just we don't understand it yet. Just because you or something is not understandable, doesn't make it not true. Sorry if this seems harsh as well :)Ooiue 15:55, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

Where it falls within Series 5
It says in the article that it happens after Rory disappears since he isn't present in the story, but couldn't it also happen during the earlier episodes in the series, before he joins Amy and The Doctor? Teclo 22:24, June 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * Obviously, this has to happen after Victory of the Daleks because the Daleks are in their newer, more colorful bodies. Vampires of Venice is right after the Angels two-parter because of the whole Amy kissing the Doctor thing, and we know Amy doesn't visit an alien planet (such as Skaro) between Victory and the Angels two-parter because of her comments near the beginning of the episode. Thus, it has to happen after Cold Blood.
 * But it can't be after cold blood but before the pandorica opens because Amy recalls Rory. It needs to be after the pandorica opens and the big bang.

Games a bit slow!
I have the game, but it is a bit slow. The character'd mouths don't go with the words. Sometimes it can be two minutes before they finally catch up. Plus walked can sometimes be a bit slow, and I think this is why I can't compelte the damn maze (see, 'help please', above). Any ideas how to make is a lot smoother?Fallen5 16:53, June 22, 2010 (UTC)