Talk:The Time of the Doctor (TV story)

Paragraphs are your friend! Good synopsis though...

'''== SPOILERS!!!! =='''

I would like to point out to the contributers that as I write this the episode has yet to air in my area of the USA. I am looking forward to reading it in 4 & half hours.

New Companion?
Please tell me we can list "Handles" as a companion of the Eleventh Doctor! I mean, if a shapeshifting penguin counts... --ScruffyC ☎  03:50, December 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, Handles merits a companion page and will have one. --IrasCignavojo ☎  10:04, December 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * He already has his own page, what's left is adding in a suitable picture. Gokyr586 ☎  10:07, December 26, 2013 (UTC)

Who says Handles isn't the cutest companion in the history of Doctor Who? Sergent Doomy Doom, Doomy Doomy Doomy Doom-BOOM! Boooooooom...Dooooom...Doom Boom. Doom Boom. Doom Boom. ☎  10:09, December 26, 2013 (UTC)

wat
in the main enemy section it lists the silence

the silence are a evil religous order sprung off from the papal mainframe to destroy the doctor

The Silents who are really confessional Priests are good and some are bad but only the good ones appeared in the special User:Orangerichard56 ☎  12:30, December 26, 2013 (UTC)

Incarnations and regeneration cycle
The article calls the Twelfth Doctor the "first incarnation of his new regeneration cycle", wouldn't it be more correct to say he is the second? The new cycle was given to the Eleventh Doctor, who then proceeded to use the first regeneration of his new cycle. The First Doctor never regenerated by if you list incarnations by regenerative cycle he would be considered the first incarnation of his original cycle, not the Second Doctor.

So it should be changed to 1) "second incarnation of his new regeneration cycle", but that would likely confuse people; 2) "first regeneration of his new regeneration cycle"; or 3) "new incarnation of his new regenerative cycle", new incarnation avoids the number issue but you could also add "first" to "new incarnation" to indicate that while the Eleventh Doctor would still be considered part of the new cycle, he was still a preexisting incarnation when the new cycle started. - The Light6 ☎  13:00, December 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * Eleven was already as good as dead when he gained his new cycle. As the First and War Doctors would say, his body was "wearing thin". He was about to die of old age. As such, the granting of a new cycle also triggered the regeneration. The new last Doctor would now be the 24th Doctor, the 26th incarnation.
 * Yes he was good as dead, but that ignores the point of it, that the new cycle was granted to him, and that he, however briefly, was part of that cycle. And the fact he also regenerated means that one regeneration of the new cycle has also already been used up, which means that the 23rd Doctor, not the 24th is the new last Doctor (barring any more non-Doctor, Doctors or double-regeneration Doctors, of course). - The Light6 ☎  02:05, December 27, 2013 (UTC)

Edit requests
The last item on Story Notes needs some major spelling corrections. And the item about Smith's leg injury needs to be adjusted a little to reference the fact the Doctor uses a cane for part of the episode. 70.76.69.162talk to me 22:10, December 26, 2013 (UTC)

Question about Clara
How did she not age when the doctor was in Christmas for 300 years? --Peruano99 ☎  23:31, December 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * You are aware this programme regards time travel, right?
 * --TheMasterRace ☎  00:05, December 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes but how did she know he was going to be 300 years into the future? --Peruano99 ☎  06:48, December 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * What? OK let me explain; the Doctor sent Clara back to Earth and than the TARDIS began to return to Trenzalore, before it dematerialised Clara clung to the side causing her to be brought along with the TARDIS, the TARDIS then arrived back on Trenzalore 300 years after it left but only a small period of time had passed for Clara and the TARDIS. - The Light6 ☎  07:51, December 27, 2013 (UTC)

Out of time?
When River shot the Doctor in an earlier episode he began to regenerate and yet in this episode he (correctly) mentions that he can no longer regenerate as he has used up all his lives. I imagine quite a few people noticed this but I just wanted to mention it as a gaping continuity error.


 * He never began to regenerate because it was actually the Teselecta disguised as the Doctor all along and was only mimicking regeneration. - The Light6 ☎  14:04, December 27, 2013 (UTC)

Actually, this may be worth a mention. Originally, in The Impossible Astronaut (TV story), it was the Doctor who was killed. That's why River choosing not to shoot him splintered time, and that's when the Doctor made the switch with the Teselecta.

Just like Trenzalore, originally the Doctor did die, but it was changed. Him having regen energy in TIA is, in hindsight, a continuity error. Jamie Jones54842 ☎  19:00, December 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * Wrong, it was the Teselecta the whole time. After the Doctor asked the captain of the Teselecta to deliver the envelopes, the captain asked if there was anything else they could do for him. It was at that moment he came up with the solution to hide in the Teselecta, and did so. The trip to Lake Silencio occurred after that. - DarkXaven ☎  19:29, December 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * It should also be noted that there is no evidence yet to suggest that River was aware of the War Doctor, given that Clara in her many forms navigated the Doctor's time stream yet remained unaware of him. So as far as she was concerned he still had one more. There has also been no set "format" for what happens to a Time Lord when he finally dies. 70.76.69.162talk to me 15:13, December 28, 2013 (UTC)

Episode's Enemies
Um... The Silence weren't enemies of the Doctor in this episode. They even helped him. ("And so, in the fields of Trenzalore... the ancient enemies, the Doctor and the Silence, stood back to back..."). However, you listed the silence as enemies. Maybe the creepy Dalek-puppet-silence is an enemy, but the Silence themselves aren't. ZivTargaryen ☎  21:55, December 27, 2013 (UTC)

The invasions on Christmas?
So the Time Lords are returning, but why were the species waiting for the Time Lords? It says to "begin the Time War anew", but why would they do that? -180.172.49.61talk to me 11:37, December 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * This is more appropriate a question for Moffat. 70.76.69.162talk to me 15:29, December 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * There are still Daleks & Cybermen and other creatures in the world, and no one forgot the chaos of the TimeWar and also the danger from the TimeLords for these evil creatures. So why would they wait? Planet is shielded. Doctor could bring them back on the even of the planet burning etc. etc. there are so many reasons out there alrdy. So the doctor needs to find a way to make sure that his folks can come back in secret & protected. Please remember the original principles of the TimeLords > only watch & never interfere.... 89.166.129.33talk to me 04:10, December 29, 2013 (UTC)

Novak's birthday
According to his article, the actor who voiced Handles was born on the 15th anniversary of Doctor Who. Normally this is just trivia, but given TOTD concluded the anniversary year and the trilogy, it might be worth adding to a behind the scenes list.70.76.69.162talk to me 15:29, December 28, 2013 (UTC)

Hi everyone,

Should the story number be 240?

Best wishes

Andy86.185.84.92talk to me 16:24, December 28, 2013 (UTC)

Narration
Moving the following from a forum thread that's going to be deleted. 04:32: Mon 30 Dec 2013
 * The continuity section of "The Time of the Doctor (TV Story) incorrectly states that it is the second story to feature a narrator. It is actually the third, as the episode "Cold Blood" in Series 5 also featured a narrator, revealed to be Eldane. Additionally, the article does not specify that it is the third use of narration in the revived series specifically (Tom Baker narrates a short passage at the beginning of the classic serial "The Deadly Assassin").