User talk:CzechOut

For discussions approximately prior to the coming of the Eleventh Doctor (and precisely before 02:33, April 3, 2010 (UTC)), please see: RTD era discussions.

Wales crew
Interesting template, could I ask for a small change, just to keep things consistent across all pages? Instead of a colon can it be a hyphen between the title and person? I didn't want to go changing things on it in case you were still mucking around with it. Thanks. --Tangerineduel 06:41, April 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * I do feel kinda strongly that they're hyphens rather than colons.
 * It's not completely about following a standard, it's more that the colons are more used in citing sources on pages and when looking through the page it's one of those things that you see connected with that sort of thing, and I'd really prefer it to be hyphens so the cast and crew listing are marked out when looking at them as their own defined thing. Nothing else on the wiki uses X - X except the cast/crew listings and I'd prefer to keep that visual difference intact. --Tangerineduel 13:39, April 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * Just noticed looking on the Victory of the Daleks page that Andrew Gunn's name isn't linking within the template. Hopefully it's only a small issue. Thanks. --Tangerineduel 17:13, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

Reflist
Hey, I've fixed the errors in the reflist template (which seemed to function fine without actually existing). But anyways the issue as I saw you can see in the changes I've made (I removed your stuff about saying it wasn't working) but feel free to put whatever back in.

Anyways the issue was that while you named the references (which you'd do to use the references multiple times in the same article), you didn't cite anything as the reference which needs to be done the first time the ref name thing is used. So when the the reflist came to assemble all the references in the reflist it hit errors because there wasn't anything to cite. Hope this helps. --Tangerineduel 14:43, April 16, 2010 (UTC)

Cite
I sent a message off to wikia central and was told that they'll be upgrading the extensions when they upgrade the MediaWiki software, which should be coming in the next few weeks. As soon as the developers release MediaWiki 1.16 Wikia will also be upgrading everything else along with it. --Tangerineduel 05:41, April 17, 2010 (UTC)

Bot and Captcha
The short answer is...I'm not sure, not sure what setting have been changed or altered. It's nothing I have specifically changed.

Having a quick look around the wikia central forums brings up a range of things it could be.

One thing to note, your bot doesn't appear as a listed bot see Special:ListUsers/bot, I did look into changing your bot's user rights, but that option is locked to me (admin's aren't totally all powerful).

All I can really suggest is head to the Wiki central forums and if that doesn't help go for the Contact wikia staff link. Sorry I couldn't be of more help. --Tangerineduel 16:55, April 19, 2010 (UTC)

Timeline template
Just to be clear - as long as I don't go around creating new pages and using HTML coding I'm OK in editing the pages, meaning I can add/update new items? Or are you requesting the pages not be updated at all? No biggie with earlier years, but things are moving pretty rapidly with regards to 2010, obviously. 23skidoo 22:04, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * Cool. I'm not planning to add any new years anytime soon, anyway! 23skidoo 22:31, April 22, 2010 (UTC)

Rice University
Best to check the 'what links here' before wiping out a redirect. (Though I'm not sure why a university's name should be funny?). I change the only linking article to the correct page and deleted the redirect. --Tangerineduel 15:26, April 23, 2010 (UTC)

Deleting Timelines
I agree 2016 should be deleted for now. But will doing so mess up your bot or the template? 23skidoo 03:31, April 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, I'll go ahead and knock down 2016. It'll be a couple years at least before we're likely get anything real-world related to put there (I suppose I could put the 10th anniversary of Torchwood on there, but that's stretching it). 23skidoo 03:45, April 24, 2010 (UTC)

2014
What lead sentence? All I saw was a single item. That's not a lead. I take extreme exception of being accused of subverting anyone's efforts. I expect an apology. No, I demand one. No one asked me for my opinion on this - I didn't even know the discussion was underway. All I thought was going on was some stuff about a template. This is the same sort of crap that made me tell Wikipedia to go to hell. In fact, you guys can have fun. I've got better things to do with my time. 23skidoo 03:52, April 24, 2010 (UTC)

Wikipediainfo included
Is it a good idea to have the wikipediainfo included in the template?

Do we need the wikipediainfo template for years 2000 to 1990? I can understand for televised Doctor Who world events giving the production years context and all, but did 1990-2000 mostly prose years are they all relevant? --Tangerineduel 14:29, April 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * All valid points.
 * I realised what I'd written (about the implied preferencing one over the other) after I'd hit save page.
 * So yeah, controlled non-manipulateable is probably easier in the long run, one less thing for people to mess around with.
 * Though one thing of concern is that the wikipediainfo generally resided at the bottom of the page, while having it included as it is means the timeline is now at the top of the page. It's just that the wikipediainfo is an out-of-universe link dealing with the real world, so its placement at the bottom was to be down with the real world stuff.
 * Also did I miss something about the placement of the timeline being at the top right (I'm sure I asked about it being placed centre bottom)?
 * Neither of which is too much of an issue, I'm guessing it's because the top of the article is where the in-universe stuff resides and since the timeline pages are in-universe first the navigation template should go up the top rather than buried down the bottom of the page? --Tangerineduel 15:19, April 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * Righty. The year articles are one of the places I don't spend a lot of time on.
 * Just a random question, is infoboxen the plural of infobox? I (and wikitionary) seem to think it's infoboxes, or is infoboxen a collection of infoboxes?
 * But hurray! No yellow. I don't actually mind the grey.
 * As for future secondary infoboxes, we should consider not overwhelming the page with too many infoboxes. --Tangerineduel 16:53, April 24, 2010 (UTC)

Welcome template
Hi, the issue with implementing the template automatically was (and still is it seems) that it doesn't work. Wikia rolled out a process through which anything placed on a particular MediaWiki welcome page would add to all new users and add the admin who had most recently edited on the wiki. The issue was neither I nor Toughpigs (who edits here and I think is an admin over on the central wiki) could make it work effectively. The issue is that it wouldn't add the template, it'd just add the code of the template, looking at your bot's most recent additions it's having the same issue.

What I had intended to do was pair back the welcome template so there was no coding in it and re-add it to the automatic mediawiki welcomer thing. So while it wouldn't look as pretty all the information would be there. --Tangerineduel 12:50, April 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Umm...not to point the obvious but your bot is still adding the code rather than the template.
 * I would rather have to add the template manually that have a bot that adds the code (which for new users to see all that on their talk page is rather daunting), it's basically the same reason I and admins on other wikis opted to disable the automatic process a while ago for the same reasons. --Tangerineduel 13:31, April 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Also the other issue with using a bot, rather than a person is that a person (or the method through which the mediawiki added and used and admin) is that if a new user sees the template with a user's or admin's name on it they can go to them for help, with a bot it's sort of a dead end process. --Tangerineduel 13:32, April 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * That's precisely the point, it adds the code of the welcome template rather than the template itself. (Hit edit and have a look or look at the 1500 or so character count in the recent changes).
 * As I said it's also the issue we faced with the automated welcome template.
 * Also as I said it's also a question of the user whose talk page it is being able to ask questions of the person leaving the welcome tag, be it a user or an admin, but not a bot.
 * I would ask strongly that you please disable this particular function of the bot. --Tangerineduel 13:44, April 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * The code does make a difference, it makes a difference how you read something when you're looking at it in code view, whether it's a neat template or all the coding stuff, for new users it really does. Appearances for new users and how stuff looks does matter and when dealing with new users the lack of all that coding means a less daunting experience.
 * I know you know and I know that the bot links back to your page, but again this template gets added to new user's pages, so there may be some confusion when that happens.
 * I'm speaking here from both being a new user on other wikis (back when I joined I don't think there was a welcome template) and dealing with new users.
 * I have gone back and re-enabled the mediawiki welcome to see whether anything's changed since we last enabled it, and if it hasn't maybe pairing it back, or just disabling it again. --Tangerineduel 14:11, April 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Been there done that and it didn't work.
 * Template:WelcomeMediawiki and Template:WelcomeMediawikianon are the two templates I created to use on the auto mediawiki space. As you should be able to see in the recent changes (look for edits made by User:Wikia. The template (still) doesn't work. These templates aren't used as the main thing for the mediawiki (MediaWiki:Welcome-message-user) that's one of the pages, there's 3 that are used to implement the welcome feature, but it just seems to pull through the template code (for some reason) rather than just the template. Despite the template not being on the mediawiki page. --Tangerineduel 17:21, April 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes we probably are talking about different things (sometimes I just start rambling after reading talk responses very quickly and then wonder if I've gone off on the wrong tangent).
 * Any how...there is something weird that happens with the automated welcome template where even though the welcome template is nested (that's what I was rambling about above with the automated...thing) it still doesn't grab the template it (for some reason) grabs the code (I don't know why). Take User_talk:209.169.196.24 for example, this was (supposed) have the anon welcome template added, and through the above mediawiki nesting thing (excuse the overuse of 'thing' it's rather late for me) even though the template was nested rather than on the page it pulled through the code. I don't know why, having had a look at other wikis that have implemented this the code seems also seems to turn up. Hence we've stuck with adding the welcome template manually. Also why I've been considering pairing the automated welcome template back to a simple welcome and signature with a link to a separate welcome and introduction page as a way to get around the pull through code thing. --Tangerineduel 17:40, April 25, 2010 (UTC)

BBC copyright tag
On first thoughts I am fine with what you suggest (ie grouping to BBC titles), then I had another thought, that the copyright bits explicitly word 'covers', and I'm as interested in contents as well, which can often be illustrated. Furthermore, I do like the idea of seperately crediting the magazine title. As the Radio Times for years was the only source of Doctor Who news it seems odd that we ommitted it but that could be because Im the only one so far (ish) working on padding it out - stay tuned! The Librarian 20:25, April 25, 2010 (UTC)

Just a small question
I noted all these delete tag edits have been marked as a minor edit. They're technically not minor edits (Wikipedia:Help:Minor edit). Just wondering if there was some reason for marking them as minor edits? --Tangerineduel 13:26, April 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Righty, was just curious. --Tangerineduel 13:50, April 26, 2010 (UTC)

Caution
Hi, please don't edit another user's user page (no matter what good intentions) it is against our Tardis:Vandalism policy, if you believe something is an error on the user's user page, leave a message on their talk page with regards to the error. Thanks. --Tangerineduel 13:35, May 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * The page in question would have been deleted regardless of the user page linked to it.
 * Perhaps I should have said (earlier) to ignore user pages that link to pages that need deleting, and it's something that didn't really occur to me to say at the time.
 * I'm sorry if what I said bugged you, I didn't mean it to be irritating.
 * I wasn't aware of the Wikipedia page (I spend only a small amount of time on Wikipedia).
 * My caution was only that, it was only because in the past we've had users editing user pages and correcting the user pages and users getting annoyed by those corrections (spelling, grammar and whatever else). Hence the stance that I took on this issue.
 * I will look to altering / adding to the vandalism policy to Wikipedia's stance into this. Again, I apologise for any offence I might have caused with regards to this issue. --Tangerineduel 16:40, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

Use of the bot?
Hey, wondering if you could break out the bot to change something, see Forum:Organization or Organisation?.

I could change all the articles in and linked to the Category:Organizations manually (it's only about 150 edits or so, I've been there and done that before), but it's still a mind-numbing job. Any questions, arguments, queries and whatever else; the forum, my talk page or whatever. Thanks. --Tangerineduel 15:36, May 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * Righty, thanks, much mind-numbing work saved (there were a couple of dozen pages linking to the category) but that was easy enough to change, just one letter.
 * Linguistics, language and spelling is complicated and sometimes odd argument I'll leave to the lexicographers, linguists and whomever else wants to debate it. (Though I will say I think 'girt' needs to be used more often, but that's just me).
 * I've updated the Manual of Style adding a specific reference to the Organisation/Organization spelling thing, if it becomes an issue I'll look at a page dedicated to spelling issues.
 * Which little note thingy do you mean? --Tangerineduel 13:04, May 7, 2010 (UTC)

Dscontinuity bug...or something
Hey, could you take a look here Forum:Discontinuity pages and search bug, as you pretty much implemented all the code and stuff for it, and I'm not really sure what could be causing this issue. Thanks. --Tangerineduel 14:27, May 7, 2010 (UTC)

Discontinuity template
Hello, me again. I've been having a look at the discontinuity template and pondering how to change it to accomodate the somewhat increased discontinuity page(s), that now include Torchwood, the SJA and K-9 and Doctor Who, Torchwood and SJA in prose and audio form. I mostly had the main links off as placeholders, but they're now fully fledged pages and people will eventually add links to them.

As I said looking at the template, there's no quick and easy way to identify each page as DW, SJA, TW or whatever (to make the template insert the right identifier to make it link correctly), it could have something like " series=Doctor Who " which I think is relatively standard across the infoboxes, but I don't really know as that's not enough as there's also a necessity to distinguish for audio/prose and that's something which isn't on every page and distinguishable.

This isn't urgent (at least I hope it isn't urgent, it's all red-links at the moment) I was just seeing how the discontinuity link would look on War of the Daleks (one of the only a few discontinuity novels with a discontinuty section). Any thoughts on this would be appreciated. --Tangerineduel 18:16, May 8, 2010 (UTC)

Vandalism
Dear Czech, i think the tardis wikia is under attack by stupid vandals, and i mean more than one.Sclera1 05:58, May 9, 2010 (UTC)

Merge Template Image
How about an image of the 10th Doc and the Meta-Crisis Doc together? That would suggest to me the idea of two things that are the same thing. Monkey with a Gun 03:09, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

Such as this: Monkey with a Gun 03:15, May 17, 2010 (UTC)


 * I personally like the images - they add a little flair to the wiki. Just thought of the perfect image: the two Brigadiers in Mawdryn Undead. I'll do a screen grab when I get off work. Monkey with a Gun, via 166.205.7.189 19:01, May 17, 2010 (UTC)


 * That image does work quite well. And I never got around to firing up Mawdryn Undead... dang real life, with its "job" and "friends" eating up all my time... Monkey with a Gun 01:22, May 28, 2010 (UTC)

Home video releases
Would (on the format for TV stories guide)'Home media releases' be a better fit for this section just so it can encompass LP, audio cassette, online streaming and other things? --Tangerineduel 14:24, May 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * I think just seeing 'home video release' made me think of old video shops and just the phrase 'home video' evokes VHS tapes. (Maybe it's just me).
 * Just stick with 'home video release', as you say, anything else will make it needlessly complicated and messy. --Tangerineduel 14:56, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

Your Bot
You could ask Wikia to flag your bot as a bot. This would stop it from showing and taking up space in Recent Changes. ☆ The Solar Dragon  ( Talk - Contribs.) ☆ 15:47, May 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh...cruk...I need to apologise to CzechOut on this front, he did leave me a message and it was one of the things I haven't addressed yet (as the log in issue resolved itself etc). I have just now sent a message off to Wikia central asking for it to be flagged as a bot. Sorry for my lateness with regards to this issue. --Tangerineduel 16:02, May 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * There we go, bot has been flagged as a bot. --Tangerineduel 17:23, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

Nazi
I attempted to write a non-stubby Nazi article. I mentioned all the likely problems on the talk page, but the biggest one is that I've never heard the Elizabeth Klein series, and I'm willing to bet that I got her story wrong. Since you're the one who brought her up, I'd appreciate it if you'd take a look (ideally at the whole article, not just her part) and correct whatever I screwed up. Thanks. --Falcotron 09:00, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

K9 collapsible season template
I think the season nav templates shouldn't have the show/hide as they provide information that assists in the navigation on the page (more so the the variety of others). --Tangerineduel 11:26, May 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * That's fine, it does look slightly bulky, but still useful I think. As it's the only not collapsed template at the bottom of the articles it's not a large impact on the pages. --Tangerineduel 15:35, May 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * Through my deleting of the various categories I came across the 'Category:Series 1 (K-9) stories', just thought you'd like to know why it was mis-behaving. I've added to all the season/series templates  to make them automatically add the cat:Series Fnarg/whatever'. (So we can have categories sorted by season/series). Which removed the need to go through every page (in the case of the classic series especially) and add the category to them. I've changed the K9 series 1 template to correspond to the new names, so there shouldn't be any further issues. --Tangerineduel 16:08, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

RE: Radio Times
Hi, I've noticed you've found the Radio Times page. Could I ask politely that you leave it alone for a bit longer (see discussion on page) as it is very much a work in progress. Im going to revert some of the changes for a couple of reasons mainly that the page will be split soon when I've decided how best to do it (By publication year or Doctor tenure (complicated in the gap years), and whether to incorporate Torchwood and The Sarah Jane Adventures (as other spinoffs are included) in the main body of the article or to futher divide it up into the 3 main series. (Any thought welcome) At the moment I'm still information gathering and scanning the other material (listings, mini features, Pick of the Day/Week and letters - there's loads and I haven't got to the DVD PDF extras yet! (I needed to make some space at home :) Im adding details to the pages as I'm doing them. Possibly for later inclusion - either on the main Radio Times pages or else under the transmitted programmes pages. Anyway hope you dont mind me asking. Thanks The Librarian 01:11, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the heads up. I have been keeping half an eye (actually more like 1/8 an eye) on the bot and the forum page where I think you noted this issue. I'm confident any small issues that the bot creates you'll fix (or make the bot do another pass that will fix any lingering issues). Thanks. --Tangerineduel 18:03, June 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * I thought it made sense (though I often make the worst mistakes when thinking this).
 * The Season templates are only on the stories which are part of that season.
 * The Categories to which those stories were part of were only in Season X.
 * I didn't actually see the issue considering the category and the Season templates were both very specific things, neither had any reason to interact with any other thing. Aside from it adding the Season X to the Season X stories category (something I didn't consider when setting this up). But it was a change how categories are added here (so put this down to 'it seemed like a good idea at the time').
 * Mostly my aim with the auto-add thing was to avoid adding them the 'cat:season X stories' manually (though I should note Season 1 I did add manually rather than add it to the template, so no need to worry about that one). --Tangerineduel 14:39, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

Template:VG
Can you check that I did this right (and, ideally, fix anything I got wrong)? --Falcotron 10:07, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

First, both Wegner and Moffat have affirmed that the Adventure Games are part of series 5, and part of continuity. Are we going to disagree with them on this?

Personally, I _do_ disagree with them, at least to some extent. When I played City, the story went something like this: "The Doctor began sneaking around the Dalek, then stumbled into a run and was exterminated. Time was magically reset by a few seconds, and this time he was able to sneak around the Dalek. Then he ran back and forth for a few seconds in hopes that it would convince Amy to walk around a wall that she was on the wrong side of, finally convincing her. Then..." I find it hard to believe _that_ is canon. (And then there's my friend's playthrough, which consisted of him trying to get Amy's butt to wiggle in every way possible for the model and then quitting the game.)

I really think the BBC should release an "official walkthrough" to tell us what "actually happened" vs. what "could have happened but didn't". But at this point, we're disagreeing with the producers of the show; they think the game itself can count as canon, and who am I to say, "No, it can't."

As a more minor point, if you're trying to prevent people from citing City of the Daleks, you're way too late. People have been refering to it left and right, but getting it wrong (using the DW prefix, forgetting the italics, doing stupid RTE things like VG:, or just not citing it). See Special:WhatLinksHere/City of the Daleks (and that's just the ones that cite it correctly). I wanted the template because it should often be easier to fix those problems (and, more importantly, to verify my fixes) by switching to the template, just as it is with DW, etc. Plus, almost nobody uses the templates except for experienced editors, so, frankly, having them is not going to make much difference in how often the games are cited.

True, Amy Pond and Eleventh Doctor don't yet have anything from City--but they don't have anything from Vincent either. I think most casual editors are wary of editing anything other than the "listy" parts of any article that big, while most serious editors don't want to touch anything as horribly screwed up as those articles currently are. --Falcotron (sorry, missed a tilde...) --Falcotron 21:52, June 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * OK, they didn't use the word "canon", but they did use the sentence, "Everything you see and experience within the game is part of the Doctor Who universe." That's pretty much exactly the definition of "canon" we're looking for.


 * As a side note, I have heard Moffat use the word "canon" (and likewise "continuity") in interviews, although generally only to point out that it's a silly thing to get hung up over. --Falcotron 22:23, June 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * As I already said above (and in your forum thread), I think it's ridiculous to consider my playthrough part of the DWU. (My words were, "I find it hard to believe _that_ is canon.") But I think we can twist their meaning around--a playthrough done _as intended_ is part of the DWU--that works, and is better than completely ignoring it. The big problem is that they haven't told us, and probably won't tell us, what the right playthrough is. Again, as I mentioned before, even if they give us a walkthrough, it'll probably include things that aren't part of the DWU, like the Doctor risking his life to pick up collectable cards with facts about the DWU. So, the problem is clear. The solution isn't, but I think we should discuss this on the forum thread that you created, instead of just between ourselves. --Falcotron 23:33, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Reply
I saw your moved back, and checked your reasons, they are fair enough, and i just read you views on the talk page (which i did not look at first time) and i see that putting it as it originally was is the best way to go. Mini-mitch 21:44, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

Pandorica Opens, the painting and the story
Was the painting actually called 'The Pandorica Opens'? --Tangerineduel 10:47, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Whoops, sorry, must have been distracted when I was watching it. River quite clearly says the title. --Tangerineduel 11:35, June 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * I was going to leave it, but another user moved the page back to 'The Pandorica Opens' from TV story. I also wanted to get everything moved and change the move permissions before we got a move war going on. The page is now admin-move protected, just in case anyone tries again to move things around. Sorry moving stuffed things around. --Tangerineduel 15:13, June 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * Meh...I'll probably get to it, it is one of the comparatively easier things to do compared to many of the other things on my to do list. --Tangerineduel 15:25, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

Quotes/Italics
Hi, you may or may not notice I'm trying to 'canvass discussion' towards the forum topic, I wanted to say now that's all I'm doing. Some users don't go near the forums unless prompted (I almost never go to The Howling). I just wanted to say that here and now to be transparent to avoid any percieved bias towards one way or the other. I really value the community involvement in a discussed and decided upon policy rather than a conversation. Thanks. --Tangerineduel 06:28, June 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm not on board with the idea that it's beneficial to the wiki.
 * I admit it has gone on for a lengthy time, but it hasn't be a long time of discussion, it's been a long time of in-action between discussions.
 * I would like closure on this issue, but I don't want closure based on one two editor's discussion. Several wikis have different methods of referencing their content.
 * All I want is community involvement in what I believe is something that will be a dramatic shift for how articles are edited. I am looking at the over all experience of writing, editing and reading articles on this wiki. --Tangerineduel 06:53, June 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * I could perhaps have been more neutral, I've read through the Wikipedia canvassing article and will keep it in mind for any future situations, though I find using templates a somewhat heavy handed response to such things however, I will keep in mind the language I use in future.
 * I suppose you panicked me a little, and continued to worry me as while these changes are something you wanted to make, this is a community created wiki.
 * It especially worried me when you said "We're talking about a change that I clearly want to make, that I have the tools to make with relative ease, and about which I actually don't think there is any logical resistance." that insinuation was one of my major concerns when I read it and somewhat further back concerning bot rights and a situation that might arise.
 * I only worry because of situations like this in the past (and users without the aid of a bot) have still made massive changes to the wiki because they thought they were doing the right thing that they thought was correct.
 * I just thought I'd note down how I sometimes read a situation, I mean it not as an attack or a criticism, just how I read the your comments at the time. Thanks. --Tangerineduel 16:21, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

Confidential
Thanks for your note about the template. I didn't notice any indication that it wasn't in use, I saw it on A Brush with Genius and assumed its presence in the live wiki rather than userspace meant it was up and running. I apologise for inadvertently jumping the gun. I've always believed, however, that in wikis it's usually better to have something there that needs fixing than to have nothing at all (I've a Batman-like vendetta against redlinks :-D ). I also feel that the off-season is the best time for rewatching old stuff, so there's no time like the present to get those Confidential articles populated and ready to cite things to wiki-wide. When the template is fully cooked please keep me posted, I'd be quite happy to help get it straightened out across the board. Rob T Firefly 23:07, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

Production Errors, Production Errors, Production Errors
With the crew's name's and everything. Do you have it in for these people or are you just jealous that you're not part of the production?

Death of the Doctor
With the British Film Institute announcing a preview showing of the story, and issuing a synopsis, I think we can create an article on this story now. 68.146.81.123 15:20, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

Recent edits
The recent pages that you have created are just vast text dumps, which have no regard for the manual of style. I have added basic headings to the articles to make them easier to read and so that they will fit better with the manual of style. I have not had the chance to listen to this audio yet and may have not understood what some of the information means and therefore may have given inacurate heading, please correct it if i have. Revanvolatrelundar 19:45, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Image
Please source images and use resonable amounts. (also I recommend 150px) Thanks--Skittles the hog 19:58, December 6, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry for not being clear, your overcrowding some articles. For example Part one of The Krotons had six images. I recommend 150px for the sizing of mid-article images; this isn't offical but just looks good. Thanks--Skittles the hog 20:04, December 6, 2010 (UTC)

I was unaware of The Kroton edits age; I just came across it today. As for sizing, if you read above I stated "isn't offical", I just employ this as any bigger disrupts the text alignment. Images do need to be sourced.--Skittles the hog 21:27, December 6, 2010 (UTC)

Just like text, Images need a source. If they are on their episode page then obviously not; if they are on a character page then yes. It was discussed on the forum and is the general consensus on most pages with recent edits.--Skittles the hog 17:28, December 7, 2010 (UTC)

Sure, http://tardis.wikia.com/index.php?title=Forum:Thumbnails&t=20100926113538 Just as a side note, are you intending to use all the images you've uploaded? There seems to be far to many to use. Thanks--Skittles the hog 17:43, December 7, 2010 (UTC)

So, you disagree with image sourcing? Also, see the deletion log, ununsed files are being deleted. Thanks--Skittles the hog 19:02, December 7, 2010 (UTC)

We've had discussions about the Eighth Doctor's timeline in the forum. From many sources of evidence we have decided that we are going to deviate from the Drwhorefguide and place the audios after the books, as 4 audios reference events that occured in the novel ranges. As for Running Out of Time, Drwhorefguide has not been updated for around 18 months on any matters concerning spin off material and has only updated the first few episodes of series 5 of the revival. Doug86 has been updating many of the timelines to where he thinks stories may be placed, and i have concluded to do the same to the best of my ability.

I had trouble placing Running Out of Time in the timeline because of the reasons you said in your message, i decided to place it not too far into his travels at a time where he makes no reference to previous companions and is having adventures similar to those experienced by his past incarnation. The later adventures in his timeline generally depict him as being world weary and a bit reminiscent. If you feel that you have a better idea of where it may be placed then please do so but I have been placing stories into the timeline with a "best guess" method as Doug86 and Drwhorefguide also does. Revanvolatrelundar 12:28, December 10, 2010 (UTC)

future reference
Here (http://tardis.wikia.com/index.php?title=Forum:The_Eighth_Doctor&t=20100712141739) is the discussion i mentioned earlier, just so you know. I think we need to take the matter further and move away from Drwhorefguide as a basis for the Eighth Doctor's timeline, as more information is present now to what the Drwhorefguide used at the time of them refining their own timeline. Revanvolatrelundar 12:31, December 10, 2010 (UTC)

Running Out of Time placement
I have done some research and found that Doctor Who - The Complete Adventures has placed the story between An Earthly Child and Situation Vacant, perhaps there would be a good placement.

http://www.eyespider.freeserve.co.uk/drwho/pm/list.html

Revanvolatrelundar 12:33, December 10, 2010 (UTC)

Timeline placements
I understand what you mean but with the ref guide not being updated anymore its time users start to do it themselves. Ive found many flaws with the refguide as it is now, one short story had the Eighth Doctor with greying hair at the beginning of his timeline!

In most cases we can place short stories in the timeline with some degree of accuracy but there are always some that don't make it easy, so I and Doug86 have been using a best guess method with some stories to get them to fit into the timeline. As with most articles on the wikia there are faults with some of the info that needs to be corrected and i dont think that it should exclude the timeline articles as they are just as flawed as anything can be. Revanvolatrelundar 18:52, December 10, 2010 (UTC)

Timelines
In my edits i have never supported the existence of the timeline articles or said for certain that Running is placed after stories such as Be Forgot or An Earthly Child but i said that they were possibilities. It may be worth placing a statement on timeline pages that says something to this effect. Revanvolatrelundar 20:11, December 10, 2010 (UTC)

RE DWA
Hi!, wondered when I'd hear from you again - good to see you're still busy, I've had to slow back a bit while I'm working on some other stuff and life but hey .... DWA. Ok, quite a bit to respond to so here goes ...
 * Wherever possible I have tried to use the source material to accurately categorise the features of that issue. The publisher isn't always helpful with similar type pages being re-headed and 'regular' features being quite often short-lived - bearing in mind the magazine is now nearly 200 issues old, has changed from fortnightly to weekly and has had several revamps (well tweaks actually).

First of all, why is there inconsistency? Why on DWA Issue 193 are the credits (properly in my view) not under credits, whereas on DWA Issue 150 is everything under contents?
 * You give the examples of DWA Issue 150 and DWA Issue 193. Well someone has had a play around but I'll review and look at other pages at some stage. In my mind the 193 page is more fitting I believe where the page contents box at the top clearly grouping regular contents of the magazine and credits, being a real-world point of interest, is seperated. (I'll come onto the hidden away/facts bit in a moment)

Second, what is the deal with this Hidden Away/Facts thing? Why is it generally not put under contents? Is it somehow not a part of the contents? What makes it different to, say, the Tales from the TARDIS feature? In my view, each line should be in the same place on every issue, and I think it should be like the first example I gave above. In other words, the Hidden Away/Facts thing should be brought up under contents.


 * Ok perhaps they should/could be under contents, however ... they vary from issue to issue, I randomly select a couple of 'interesting' bits from each issue - if I can find them. There is no point keep repeating "The Daleks come from Skaro" or "Cybermen used to be like you and me". Sometimes it really is a struggle to find anything! without going through a 'stating the bleeding obvious' headache.
 * The inclusion of this section is basically to make the page a little interesting, maybe a teaser for people to rush out and buy a copy (unlikely I know!) but it does provide a further link to draw people into reading a related article.
 * The "Hidden Away" bit is a throwback to DWM were a surprising amount is 'hidden' in the credits section (a theme also adopted by Torchwood Magazine) though it seems with DWA to have been reduced at the moment thats not to say it won't reappear at some stage.
 * I suppose that because it is a personal selection of 'trivia' that's why I didn't/don't include it in the contents list which is shown in the section above.

Next comes the question of what each of these things under content means. Isn't there a way we can shorten some of these subheads? Like, why is it "Information/Fact File (Photo feature and Essential Info)"? That's a helluva mouthful. Are you saying here that this part of the magazine has had all these names at one point or another? Can't we shorten it to just "Fact file" or something like that?
 * Yep they've all used those titles and tend to be fluid. Again the heading is one that gives continuity to the magazines coverage and general contents. The main Doctor Who Adventures page does include a note about the range of contents (that I've just tweaked a bit) and I think that should suffice. I feel it would be unnecessary to include a seperate page describing each aspect of the contents any further

Then, maybe we could write a section in the main Doctor Who Adventures article that defined each of these recurring features.
 * We could but the magazine itself is inconsistant and that may create a difficulty.

And when we put this new name on the subhead, we could link Doctor Who Adventures#Fact file. "Tales from the TARDIS" seems the most blatant case. You're telling us in the subhead what the section is. That's not what a subhead is for. You should link to some article which explains what the feature was, or, better, you should write a line or two of text under the subhead to explain it.


 * I don't know if you've ever read the magazine - I'll assume not from your comment above. "Tales from the TARDIS" / "Mega Moments" isn't a fact feature its a photo telling of a readers favourite scene or moment. "Tales from the TARDIS" was a feature that ran in the early days of Doctor Who Weekly to introduce a story classic told in comic form (eg The Invisible Man, War of the Worlds etc.)
 * Furthermore to add an explanation line to each aspect of the contents would probably create a sentence longer than the description of the feature itself so no, not really keen on that.

The thing I'm finding is that these DWA articles are a little inscrutable because the subheads don't at all add to one's understanding of the magazine. I mean, when I see "The Doctor's Data (Collectible Fact File)", that doesn't mean a damned thing to me, and nothing in the article describes it to me. How is that different from the fact file at point 1.2? I don't know, and none of these articles tell me. What the hell is a fact file in the first place? You see what I'm getting at?
 * Ok, 'Fact Files' is the term widely, but not always, given to the magazine features on a particular theme. The collectable fact files are single pages, tear out and add to your collection (!). These are sometimes but not always, numbered, depending on the series running at the time and the general heading seems to change, but there is generally one in each issue.

I can probably use the bot, in most cases, to quickly establish a more robust, comprehensible format on these pages, but I do need you to help explain these sections and give me good titles for the subheads. Subheads shouldn't contain parenthetical expressions, should probably have only the first word capitalized, and should either be followed immediately by text explaining what the item is, or they should be linked back to an appropriate section of the main DWA article.
 * I accept that I do sometimes (although I am getting better), use Capitals in subheadings - but I am working on it in newer pages. I'm not really even sure what a bot is ( I think its short for a robot - something that does a meanial, repetitious task without complaining!)
 * I take your point about sub-heading maybe being a bit long so from issue 200 I will change 1.2 to 'Features', 1.4 to 'Favourite scene photo-feature' and 1.5 to 'Cut-out-and-keep alien guide' if that is more agreeable. And then work back at some point to tidy previous pages if you want. I need to revist the pages anyway because there is still a load of comic strip material I need to get round to adding.
 * Phew!
 * Hope I've addressed some of your issues. As a side point I like to get the content on fairly regularly so as to keep the pages current, then revisit and tidy up anything that gets flagged up (just ask Tangerineduel!) in some ways I do admit to being a tiny bit lazy - but thats usually when it comes to things like adding categories - but thats only because others have greater skills in that area and I used to keep getting it wrong which doesn't help. But please get back to me, its encouraging that someone at least reads over the pages I add albeit frustrating if it leaves them pulling their hair out and throwing things (even curses)! The Librarian 21:00, December 10, 2010 (UTC)

After I wrote all this I just went through some of the DWA pages and found sthat half the time (well more than half the time actually) the points you have raised are edits to the pages by someone else that have created inconsistancies not mine. I know that you've been doing manual of style editing but eg DWA Issue 47 external links should be seperated from issue contents and and what the hell is/are adventures all about? The Librarian 21:00, December 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sure ok but just to let you know my pages start off as consistant (and I think it has been me throughout who has created these pages from inception) but they have undergone 'modifications' from others which, strangely seems to have included the cover images being lost on a few.I just ask for you to let me know what and what so I can then adopt the prefered style ok? No hurry The Librarian 22:31, December 10, 2010 (UTC)

Prefixes
Remember to add any prefixes to Tardis:List of prefixes. I already added INFO for you under "Other". Thanks--Skittles the hog 21:20, December 10, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry if it seemed that way, I feel bad. Oh and well done, that's exactly how I edit! I prefer to just improve on the edits of others. Thanks --Skittles the hog 10:06, December 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * Do you think I should create a prefix for information from DVD special features or is there one that covers that? Thanks--Skittles the hog 10:21, December 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * I have made pages for (some) documentaries. See Doctor Who documentary title cards. It links to all the ones I've made.--Skittles the hog 14:35, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

Good call. Didn't think about that. I'll get on it.--Skittles the hog 15:09, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

Yay!--Skittles the hog 15:18, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

8th Doctor Fex picture
Hey, i was wondering how you improved the colour on the 8th Doctor fez picture, it looks brill on the Fez page but is still a bit murky looking on the 8th Doctor appearance section. Revanvolatrelundar 18:35, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

Sepulchre question
Does Sepulchre need to be moved to Sepulchre (audio story) as it's the name of a character in Dead London. The character page doesn't currently exist so I'm not sure.--Skittles the hog 22:29, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

What is a Sepulchre?--Skittles the hog 10:25, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, thanks.--Skittles the hog 13:34, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

Rattle/ratchet
While I agree that it is almost definitely a rattle in Doctor Who and the Nightmare Game, this does not indicate that this is the case in The Wedding of Sarah Jane Smith and The Masque of Mandragora. Would it not be better to indicate it as a football rattle in an all encompassing article?--Skittles the hog 15:03, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

Ok, I concur. You seem to know what your talking about.--Skittles the hog 15:25, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

Other Matter
On another note, would it be possible for you to scan a better image of a Walnut Muffin. I have the graphic novel so it doesn't bend enough to not blur the image. No rush, thanks.--Skittles the hog 15:31, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

Are you intentionally leaving double spaces?--Skittles the hog 16:17, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

Nice pic. The doubles are on the Crisp page. I edited them but you then reverted.--Skittles the hog 16:22, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

Never mind. I've fixed it.--Skittles the hog 16:27, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

There were double spaces in between sentences and the source. I don't know why there not in the comparison. Sorry for wasting your time, just thought it might be a style thing you used.--Skittles the hog 16:32, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

Are you saying you want double spacing?--Skittles the hog 17:34, December 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * I didn't realise it was such a big deal. I though you had mistakenly double spaced. I don't see the advantage of double spacing.--Skittles the hog 17:50, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

You took a course using a typewriter?--Skittles the hog 19:13, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

Well at least it came in useful.--Skittles the hog 20:12, December 24, 2010 (UTC)