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User:SOTO/Forum Archive/The Panopticon/@comment-188432-20130304024346/@comment-188432-20130317201219 SmallerOnTheOutside wrote: I guess I'll have to redo in the morning, basing it off a different pic of Matt's bow tie. Yeah could you base it off the one(s) I linked to, please? You gotta remember that Eleven has a lot of bow ties. I'm thinking the ones I gave you will actually translate better in monochrome. Rounded edges are really season 5. Since Barbara Kidd, they've been much cleaner lines (largely because she moved him to proper bow ties, not pre-tied jobbies.)

Take a look at The Angels Take Manhattan, for instance. He's clearly got a real bow tie on there (you can see the bulk of the material under his collar) and the bow tie is consequently less rounded and droopy than what you've been portraying.

Seriously, it's fine to use a closup pic of a bow tie on a white background as your base. A properly-tied bow tie looks pretty much the same whether it's on Matt's neck or not — now that he is actually wearing proper bow ties.