User talk:ComicBookGoddess

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Reference categories
Hiya :) Thanks for joining us! :) I'm not really clear on what you mean by "categories for references in the TV episodes". Could you please elaborate? Oh, and as you're new here, please don't "put a little bit of organisation in" without making your ideas known at Board:The Panopticon or by talking with me directly. Our wiki has one of the most well-developed category trees on Wikia, so you might inadvertently duplicate an existing structure if you move without seeking guidance first.

Though I don't fully understand your categorical idea, please be aware too that categories which focus on a single medium, like television, are usually swiftly deleted, as this goes against our founding principle that all media are to be treated as equally valid. 14:30: Sun 17 Feb 2013

Display issues
Please post your screenshots on my talk page. Thanks :) 04:00: Tue 19 Feb 2013
 * I'm gonna respond to your pictures one by one, as I study them.


 * The issue at Carnival of Monsters isn't really a technical problem, per se. Everything is working as it should, but it still results in an apparent error.  This is solved by simply writing a bit more text into any section which appears above the bottom of the infobox. Your picture has been cropped so that you can't see the issue, but basically the first line of text is been "squashed" between the bottom of the infobox and the top of the picture capped "A small problem".


 * Solutions are to move the picture down a paragraph or to add more text above it. Both are really simple fixes, not requiring administrative help.  (The former is typically preferred, as it's really important to draw readers into the article with a nice, juicy lead.)  05:25: Tue 19 Feb 2013
 * I have just fixed a tiny error in coding which wasn't causing issues in any of the major desktop browsers. I don't have an iPad, and Safari for iPhone wasn't registering a problem with .  Please take another iPad screenshot of T:TABLES to see if the matter has been resolved.  05:29: Tue 19 Feb 2013
 * The third of your issues is obscure to me. You say you don't see what the button under preview says, but in your pic, i can read everything.  Can you please clarify what it is you can't see?   05:31: Tue 19 Feb 2013
 * If, however, you're saying that you can't see what happens when you press the area to the immediate right of the word "preview", don't worry. No one can on any platform.  This is indeed due to local CSS, so nominally it's "my fault", but, honestly, it's a useless feature.  what the button is supposed to be saying is "show changes".  But honestly, if you don't know what your own changes are, it might be time for you to take a break from editing. This is on the list of repairs, but it's way down low.   05:36: Tue 19 Feb 2013
 * It's actually impossible for you to be still displaying "the exact same issue". Try refreshing the page several tiems to see if things don't get cleared out.  And, yeah, I do need screenshots, because I don't have an iPad, and no other browser I have to hand, including iPhone, is showing what you're showing.   05:57: Tue 19 Feb 2013
 * Okay, well, it has changed, but the problem isn't fixed. Any chance of getting a screen shot of the entire Tardis manual box? I'm not seeing anything on this upper half that's to blame for this odd warping.  Something lower down is possibly to blame.  Also, is it behaving exactly same on this page as it is on T:TABLES?  07:06: Tue 19 Feb 2013
 * Okay, I'm able to reproduce the error in Xcode simulators of iPad. Probably don't need the screenshots from you.  I have no idea what's causing that, nor why it does not show up in iPhone version of iOS.  I'm gonna have to do some research.  I apologise for this inconvenience, but I can't give an ETA for repairs at this time.  07:20: Tue 19 Feb 2013
 * .....and fixed. Turned out to be a difference in the way that iOS renders the input box.  If you look at the width on a desktop browser versus iOS, you'll see that the search bar at top is wider in iOS than normal browsers.  That's a weird bug. Thanks for pointing it out.   07:55: Tue 19 Feb 2013

So this is what I'm seeing in iOS emulation (and on an iPhone). Can you please confirm that this is basically what you're seeing on your iPad? Thanks. 17:40: Tue 19 Feb 2013


 * I remeber seeing some of these issues on my iPad. I mainly have grown to ignore them, although the page going all flashly can be a nuisance. OS25 (talk to me, baby.) 18:25, February 19, 2013 (UTC)

Jack's sexuality
Sounds fine to me. He is, I agree, omnisexual, same as John Hart. The only reason Owen thinks he's gay is because he'd had relations with him already (as is clearly hinted at in the dialogue). Jack is demonstrably at least bisexual, as he's flirted with women multiple times on Who and seems attracted to Gwen from the start. "Believes" sounds fine. --SOTO ☎ 04:15, February 24, 2013 (UTC)

RE:Hypovolemic shock
Okay. I thought they were similar enough to include them together, but I'll leave it in your seemingly capable hands. By the way, you don't really need to tell me; you can just change it and explain yourself in the edit summary. Then, if I disagree, I might contact you, or vice versa. --SOTO ☎ 07:33, February 24, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Girl in Fireplace edits
All I did was replace the templates that had since been renamed: TitleTV was renamed Title dab away, Infobox NewTV was renamed Infobox Story, and Bp was renamed Il. Doug86 ☎  23:38, February 26, 2013 (UTC)

DPL issue
I close any issue that I can't replicate, because that means that issue has to do with the individual user. There are no problems with DPL at this time, but it's certainly possible you're still seeing an echo of past problems. I recommend that you go to Tardis:Help and then follow whichever of these instructions are applicable to your browser:

IF that fails to eliminate the problem, restart your computer completely and then return to the page.

If you still have a problem at that point, please send me a screenshot of your current state. 05:59: Fri 08 Mar 2013
 * By the way, when I say restart the computer, I mean completely turn off your computer, don't just perform a simple restart. Shut 'er down to the point you have to actually hit the power button to get a restart.  06:01: Fri 08 Mar 2013
 * Odd. Please go to another page which uses DPL where you have never been before — Z-Cars is likely such a page, or Forum:Panopticon archives — and then report on any DPL errors you see there.


 * Also, by way of clarification, when you say you just hit the power button, did you do so after a proper shut down, or did you just hit the power button? 06:30: Fri 08 Mar 2013
 * Well, since you said you were having problems in iOS, too, I checked that. And it's workin' fine there.  I think we need to move on to getting a screenshot of Special:Version.  The error code you're receiving essentially means that DPL is not installed.  Special:Version will confirm this.  I want you to go to the area labelled "parser extension tags" and take a screenshot of that.  Also, let's go to the "parser hooks" area, and take a screenshot of everything from the section header to the extension called "ImageMap".   06:45: Fri 08 Mar 2013
 * Okay, this is indeed an odd situation, but we can work through it if we collect some more data. At least we know now for sure what the problem is.  For some reason your browser is not reading that the site has DPL installed.  The first thing I need is something I asked for before, but you probably missed in your fatigue:
 * I want you to go to the area labelled "parser extension tags" and take a screenshot of that.
 * After that, I need for you to go back to all the images you've put on my talk page and add to the caption the precise version number of the browser that you used to take these images. I also need the precise, long-form number (that is, more than just "Windows 7, but Windows 7.xxxxxxx) of your OS.   19:28: Sat 09 Mar 2013
 * Okay, thanks for that. Now we need to move on to a couple of other things.
 * Please click here and copy and paste the results onto my talk page.
 * Please go to memoryalpha:User:CzechOut/Sandbox and take a screenshot with each of your devices.
 * Please indicate the time zone and country from which you primarily edit with these devices.
 * Thanks :) 21:20: Sat 09 Mar 2013
 * In the answering of point 2, above, please make sure to post those screenshots on my talk page, putting the browser version number in the caption. (By the way, this is just about the end of the data collection/screenshot taking for you.  We're almost at the end.)
 * Oh, I just thought of something else. Do you ever use your iPad on cellular data?  That is, are all of these screenshots of you using your iPad through the same router as your Windows machines?  If you can get a shot of Tardis:Help — while connected through your cellular provider — that would make for an interesting comparison.  21:28: Sat 09 Mar 2013
 * Wow. That's crazy.  So DPL works in wikiamobile, but not in wikia.  That's beyond odd.  Do me a favour to confirm this crazy behaviour.  Click here, open the "Policies, guidelines and information for contributors section" and take a screenshot — from Chrome on your Windows machine.  22:00: Sat 09 Mar 2013
 * Okay, this just keeps getting curiouser and curiouser. I notice in the Memory Alpha screen shot that you are not logged in there. So I need two more screenshots.  It'll do to be in Chrome, in Windows.  I need:
 * a shot of memoryalpha:user:CzechOut/Sandbox when you are logged in as user:.
 * a shot of tardis:help when you're logged out.
 * The thing this will demonstrate is a relationship between the phenomenon you're experiencing and your account. It is possible to have account-specific problems, as my own account has a particular bug against which I have to take a unique inoculation.  23:23: Sat 09 Mar 2013
 * Okay, at this point, I'm revoking my earlier statement that we're almost at the end of screenshots. We're probably not, because this keeps getting weirder. Now I need you to check the thing in yet another skin.  Again using Chrome Windows, please click the following link and take a screenshot of the "help pages" section: http://tardis.wikia.com/index.php?title=Tardis%3AHelp&useskin=monobook  23:38: Sat 09 Mar 2013 23:38, March 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * Wait a sec. Your "logged out" image of Tardis:Help is immediately after logging out.  I'm not sure I trust that.  It might not make any difference, but please go back to Tardis:Help, log out, re-load the page after logging out while holding down  , and  then take the picture. In other words, I want the cache cleared after you've logged out.  23:43: Sat 09 Mar 2013

Okay, thanks for all that. It appears that we can now have a strong indicator that:
 * it does not affect my account in any way, with any skin, under any of the major Mac browsers in the latest version of Mountain Lion or of iOS 6.1. Additionally, it does not affect iOS 4.2.1, for whatever that's worth.
 * it only occurs at this site
 * it only affects the wikia skin
 * it affects the Windows browsers you've listed at user talk:CzechOut
 * it does affect your installation of iOS 6.1
 * it does not affect your account in monobook
 * it does not affect in wikiamobile
 * it is present, on this site, from your devices, whether you're logged in or not, seemingly eliminating an account-specific error

Because you've demonstrated that it is only happening at this site, I've put up a thread on the Forums just to see if any one else can confirm this error. 00:07: Sun 10 Mar 2013
 * Please return to Tardis:Help and tell me what you see now. 00:32: Sun 10 Mar 2013
 * Just wanted to say thanks for all your help in providing raw data for this problem. Without it, the error could not have been run to ground quite so quickly.  17:40: Mon 11 Mar 2013
 * I'll take care of the forced cache rebuild through a bot process. The refresh is kinda intersecting with the project to get rid of all the "worked on" categories, since a lot of the pages that use DPL do so in order to leverage the information from the "worked on" categories.  Once the "worked" on categories are removed by the bot, it'll be clearer what has to be done with the DPL refresh issue.  How's that for simple and straightforward?  :)  04:56: Wed 13 Mar 2013

Causality
There are some nouns which appear in DWU fiction that are ill-defined in DWU fiction, and do not make for the greatest of articles. Causality is one of them, because it's never really defined in DWU fiction. You're conflating causality with causal nexus throughout the article. They aren't the same, and you can't define "causality" with "causal nexus", even though they seem like they might be strongly related.

You can only report what actually exists within the fiction; you cannot make leaps of logic to connect one thing with another.

Please avoid saying things like "our genuius Time Lord", and "we know" and, indeed, the present tense generally within in-universe articles. You should consider yourself an archivist at the end of the DWU, reporting the facts of that universe as if it had actually existed. Please remember, too, that you can't use your knowledge of the real world to fill in logical gaps in the info as presented in DWU narratives

If this is an example of your work, I'm a little worried because of the sheer number of our most basic editing principles that it violates. Maybe the most basic is your violation of T:TENSES, which tells us that that past tense is absolutely, firmly, ain't-no-way-around-it required. I must ask you to review your work, wiki wide, and correct your usage of present, future, cognitional, or any other tense. 04:10: Mon 18 Mar 2013
 * Okay, I've parked your text at Talk:Causality until we can massage it back into an acceptable shape. 04:20: Mon 18 Mar 2013

Blinovitch
No probs. :-)

Don't forget what I said in my edit summary: don't mention story titles in sentences in in-universe pages. Put them instead in brackets as sources.

Aside from that, you seem to be a very dedicated editor, from the time and energy you put into that page! --SOTO ☎ 23:28, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

Edit summaries
Hi! I suggest you take a look at Tardis:Edit summary. There are some guidelines for what to write and what not to write.

The thing is that edit summaries don't just show up on the "recent activity" page; they also show up in the history of the page's edits. Humorous comments, while a nice way to break tension, are not helpful for someone looking for a specific edit. Thanks! Shambala108 ☎  18:38, March 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * If you click the "Help" at the top of the page, you then get the page that has a long list of useful things. If what you want isn't there, then scroll down the page a bit, there is a large box of info that has a little search box. You can choose to search the Tardis space or the Help space or both. I tried it with the word summary and it took me to a list of several pages, at the top of which was "edit summary".
 * Another feature I use when I know a page exists but can't quite remember the name is to use the auto-suggest in the regular search box. For example, for the page I quoted above, I would type Tardis colon, and then maybe "ed" and see what shows up. Shambala108 ☎  18:54, March 21, 2013 (UTC)

CPR
Hi. I'm sorry if you didn't want me to be editing the CPR page. It's only normal for editors to jump on new pages and add info. I was just helping. Was your problem edit conflicts? Anyway, next time, just put and I won't touch it. With soul, I was actually working on that long before you posted your version and wanted to merge versions before all my works goes to waste. Also, congrats on no longer being blocked! :D Oh and one more thing: keep in mind that you don't have to rename the article to link to a different Wikipedia article. You'd just write and it'll go to that page. --SOTO ☎ 16:03, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

Conflicts, conjecture and CPR
You've asked a lot of questions at one go, so … you will now have to endure a very long reply.

Theory
In any sort of simultaneously-editable system, it's inevitable that people will sometimes edit the same article at the same time, thereby creating some level of frustration. The key is to either not be bothered by it, or to signal that you are working on an article and that you'd like some room. Most of the time, I'd suggest you go for the former approach. It's generally thought of as a good thing that an article gets edited by a lot of people early on, so that it quickly develops along the right lines. Indeed, there's an award in the Game of Rassilon for making edits on pages within an hour of their creation. So it's clear this is a behaviour that is thought of as beneficial.

Workaround
That said, there are times where it's annoying as hell. In such cases, I'd suggest one of four things.
 * 1) Politely ask the other user to back off for x number of minutes. Be specific or be firmly vague.  One of the two.  Don't just say "let me finish".  Say, "give me 30 minutes" or "I don't know how long this is going to take, but I'd appreciate it if you could back off until I tell you I'm done."
 * 2) Create the article in an alternate location, like a sandbox of your user page, and then move it to a new page only after you're reasonably comfy with it. I don't personally like this method in most cases, because it almost always denies people access to the earliest revisions of the article.  However, if you remember to actually move the article from User:ComicBookGoddess/Sandbox to, say, CPR, and then come back and edit User:ComicBookGoddess/Sandbox so that it no longer redirects to CPR, then you can reuse your Sandbox page, and still transfer the whole history of the article to the new location.  At the very least, you should make sure in your edit summary that you say "moved from user:ComicBookGoddess/Sandbox, so that we can find the original edits.
 * 3) Edit as little of the article as you must at one time. Once you've created an article, edit by section, not by the whole thing. Note that a feature of this wiki, though not all Wikia wikis, is that you can edit even the lead paragraph separate from the whole article.  Editing small chunks of text makes it much less likely that you'd be particularly bothered by someone editing with you.
 * 4) If you really must edit the whole article—and that certainly happens—you might want to consider employing the tag.  Notice I say might. I don't advocate you doing this every time, but if you're making a lot of edits to a lot of different parts of the article, if you're chopping and changing the section head names, where the section breaks are, and really fundamentally re-writing the article, you can certainly use  to give you a bit of breathing space.

is great, but don't abuse it
Note that I do not feel you should have used in the CPR case you site. That's a tiny article, and tiny articles really don't justify the use of. In the CPR case, options #1 and #2 would have likely been good approaches. Or, even better, get to the point where it really doesn't bother you that much. Now, this is hard, because it can be annoying if you've made a lot of edits and then you get an edit conflict because someone's breezed through and made a spelling correction. But you do eventually get to a point where you look at the comparison between your edit and the intervening user's and you're able to either integrate her changes—or your confident that, as valid as their changes might have been for the last revision of the article, it's not as good as your new edit.

Also, you have to remember that shouldn't be used to end a flurry of edits. After another user starts editing an article alongside you, they kinda have the same right to be there as you do, so putting up after they've become engaged is potentially incendiary. (There can be a justification for it, if you are about to radically change a lot of the section heads or section breaks, such that their revisions couldn't possibly make sense anymore. But I see no evidence of that at CPR.)

Basically, if you're going to use, it's better for it to be there from your first edit, or at least from before the point they started editing it.

Again, though, I wanna be really clear that I'm not saying you should just, as a matter of course, use every time you start an article. You should reserve it for cases when it's helping people to avoid wasting their time by making intervening edits that will necessarily be swept away, rather than using it to defend your own work.

More broadly, what you should be working toward is not having it bother you so much that someone makes intervening edits. Once you become comfortable with the edit conflict interface, it's not such a big deal that someone makes intervening edits.

RWA magnet
The least likely thing that's going on in any situation is that a particular user has become "magnetised" to your editing and is editing so as to annoy you. What you have to remember is that Wikia provides the magnet to which you referred. They force us to retain the "Recent Wiki Activity" (RWA) module on the right-hand column of every page. So everyone on the wiki knows when a new article has been created, and what the latest edits are. The entire point of the module is to drive traffic to the new edits. Now, I sometimes edit in Monobook just so that I can hide from that damn RWA, because, as an admin, I do feel obliged to check in on new edits, and I especially feel compelled every time I see an IP editor come up in the RWA to do a quick vandalism check. In fact, the software tells us that it's what we're supposed to do as admin, because there's this whole built into the joint through the patrol log. Other wikis, like Wikipedia, are much more insane about the patrol log. What we do, because we have a much smaller staff, is to say that we'll take a random sample of articles, often by looking at the RWA, and then check out their quality, and kind of assume that others that have been created by a particular user have a similar level of quality. (This is, incidentally, why I was so alarmed by your causality article, because it went against what I had thought typified your work.)

Additionally, the RWA is very useful in showing us if there's a bar fight somewhere on the wiki. If the same article keeps reappearing in RWA, alternating between two editors, that's a pretty good indication that there's a likely edit war going on that we need to police.

Anyway, point is that the RWA isn't something we'd want to abandon, and it's not something we could abandon, even if we wanted to. The downside, for you, is that if you've plopped down a new article, and you're busy dutifully tidying it up, someone can certainly swoop in and start changing it while you're still just cogitating on it. Don't take offence; assume that the other party simply had no idea that you weren't finished with and was, in good faith, just taking an interest in a new article.

Answering the damned question
It is really all right that SOTO dropped whatever the heck he was doing to go and edit the same two articles that you were editing at the same time.

How's he supposed to magically know that you're not done? He's not a mind reader. And it's incumbent on the community to investigate new articles and make sure that they're up to snuff.

Conjecture
I've enhanced the documentation at to explain better what it's to be used for. Yes, the conjecture tag can certainly be used on pages in a "from the real world category", as you'll find at "The Lion Sleeps Tonight". In fact, I would say it needs to be on pages about real world concepts that are not specifically named in-narrative.

Put another way, I pretty much disagree with the whole of this:
 * #1, Is the Conjecture tag REALLY meant to be used for something that has a Culture from the Real World definition that is extraordinarily unlikely to be revisited in narrative? (I mean, seriously, if Martha, Owen, and Rory didn't get into any more, NOBODY is going to.)

It's not "extraordinarily unlikely" to be revisited in narrative. Hospitals are a theme in Doctor Who, as one would expect given the title character's name. Having written the article hospital, I can assure you that we haven't even scratched the surface on the number of medical situations in Doctor Who. There's every likelihood we might one day get the acronym explained. Heck, there's every likelihood that it has been explained in a story that's already been published. Until then, there's no harm in having a page called CPR that doesn't unpack the acronym, except in the behind the scenes section. I understand that you're more eager than most to define the term, because of your trade, but if it's not there, it's not there. Move it to the BTS and be on your way, until and unless we dig up a reference.

Oh, and by the way, Liz Shaw and George Litefoot are MDs, both of whom got spin-off series and non-televised stories where they're with the Doctor. Grace is obviously a heart surgeon, so if her character ever gets unburdened by Universal's copyright concerns, there's every chance CPR will get unpacked. Hex is a nurse who is put into several medical situations during the course of his audios. Nyssa is essentially a biochemist, who goes on to have medically-based adventures post-Terminus in other media. And, despite what some incarnations assert, we do know that the Doctor is actually an MD himself, according to The Moonbase and quite obviously The Empty Child and many, many other situations.

This show will always be about medicine. It's too good a pun to leave on the table.

(On a secondary note, the article should be at CPR anyway, even if we find out what CPR means, because CPR is by far the more common way of referring to the topic.)

Speculation
Well, there was never a sequel discussion to Forum:Speculation - What is and what isn't?, so its status is what's indicated in the closing remarks. But that doesn't mean we don't have rules in place to stop speculation. Basically, editors are enjoined to ensure, through T:CITE and T:CITE DEF to make sure that what they say can be supported by valid narrative — and those valid narratives are defined through T:VS. So, in practice, speculation is "something that cannot be verified in a valid source".

The fact that we didn't precisely define the word speculation doesn't mean that we allow it. It doesn't even necessarily mean that we need to define the word speculation. It just means that we didn't necessarily come up with some kind of "speculation cheat sheet", in the same way that we have a neat list of spelling errors or things to avoid with images.

You are certainly at liberty to bring up the topic again if you feel that we really need that definition. I don't, particularly, so I won't be starting it. But I'm not opposed to the discussion being started. 18:54: Tue 02 Apr 2013

Using inuse
Note that when you use you've got to be sensitive to changes on the talk page. People respecting your tag will post there so as not to disturb your work, but you need to occasionally check the talk page in order for the whole "inuse thing" to work.

If you've already checked the talk page, ignore this comment. But as it was your first go, I thought I'd give a gentle nudge. 20:49: Wed 03 Apr 2013