Howling:What is durac

i was wondering about death in the whoniverse. Torchwood series one exhibits exsitensialist themes yet series two featured that whole grim reaper monster durac. What was durac meant to be where did he come from he used owen to crossover but from where another dimension possibly hell was he satan I know alot of people think that position in the whoniverse is taken by the beast but still the fact he was coming from presumbly the afterlife seems to make him a candidate too. What was the darkness owen was in meant to be in was it hell remember some depictions of hell are just that nothing not all are the fire and brimestone thing. What has made durac seem very wierd to me is unlike any other beast in doctor who he cannot be explained away as something scientific okay the beast wasn't explained as an alien either but he could be but durac was coming from the afterlife he wasn't just some powerful alien found on a planet with seemingly supernatural qualities he seems like the grim reaper from traditionall myths but its never said that he was and in fact if anything it seems like he is not as obviously the grim reaper is always there in any myths that feature him where as durac was trying to crossover from somewhere else and had to be stopped. If anyone has any ideas on what durac actually was please let me hear them. Winehousefan, July 29 2010 [UTC

The grim reaper and Satanin legend are always dipicted as beig two different beings. I think it is pretty clear that The Beast was Satan, horned demon locked away before time, hs language was so old not even the TARDIS could translate.

He directly said he was the origin if the image and name of Satan, which would go on to be reinterpreted and what not by many species. Durac is, without a doubt, THE very manifestation of Death itself in the Whoniverse.

It adds to the Whoniverse's overall mythology and mystery. We have seen Satan in Doctor Who, Death in Torchwood, and Satan refered to God as truly existing in the Whoniverse, and mentioned that he had... armies. Very interesting.

I find the two mentioning enteties two of the greatest enemies in the Whoniverse - they're part of true legend, they're unexplainable, and partof the mythology. One might say Durac came from... beyond. But really, it's a huge mystery. The place Owen went is, in thoery, the empty space of non-existence, it's the world of the dead.

About time we discussed such mysteries! I think they're not talked about much because, in truth, not even the writers could explain it. for the story. But nonetheless, it's a very interesting topic! Delton Menace 22:07, July 29, 2010 (UTC)