Talk:The Silence

Silly, repetetive rumours
Can people stop filling to 'Behind the scenes' with fanwank or potential classic enemies? This happened for series 5, and never came true. It happens every year. First, we get Omega or someone returning in series 5.... no, didn't happen. So then you go and put it down for series 6. It's ridiculous. Someone needs to throw all of this fanwanking into the crack before it consumes every article on here.

As far as the known facts are concerned, it's called The Silence, implying it's a new Moffat villain. The Silence has often been refered to as if it were a group of enities or some sort. But we have a voice, simple as that. Stop putting fanwank in the article just because we don't see a physical form. You might as well go and say it's the Rani.... oh, one of you probably already has said that. Delton Menace 07:39, July 4, 2010 (UTC)

Nobody is going to listen to someone who uses the word fanwank, or who is too scared to sign his own name. It's like criminals robbing banks wearing balaclavas, too cowardly to show the world who they really are for fear of having to face the fact that what they are doing is wrong. Pharap 04:12, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

Uh... you're using a pseudonym, too. 207.166.7.200 21:05, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

Actually: A) Moffat only once referred to it as a group, and it may have been accidental. Even if that isn't the case it still leaves the possibility of Omega's return high as our last returning Time Lord villain, the Master, was also masked as someone original and operated within the British government which as a Doctor Who villain is an original villain. B) How can anybody who seriously edits this site complain about "fanwank" when the majority of the articles are about, or involve, spin-off media material? I mean if anybody did some proper research they'd find that the spin-off is of dubious canonicity, or uncanon until further notice. Well isn't "fanwank" the same thing? Anybody get where I'm going with this? MegaNerd18 04:31, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

Moffat referred to it as a group twice. Therefore, it is quite likely it is a group. Fanwank is not the same as that. The other spin off media is considered canon in the DWU unless directly contradicted. Fanwank is used in terms of fans continually thinking new enemies are old enemies returning. (you need a signature Meganerd18 21:28, September 30, 2010 (UTC))

Spin-off media shouldn't be considered canon by anybody unless directly referred to by producers. The BBC has never released any statements confirming spin-off as canon to the TV series. This varies from Star Wars where George Lucas did indeed state the EU material for the franchise was canon. See the difference? And anybody who does a little research knows to count the spin-off out unless it's been referred to by the show's staff. Therefore constant reference to spin-off as definitely canon would be nothing more than "fanwank". Oh and just because the Silence is a group, doesn't count out the return of someone like Omega as their leader. In fact Omega's operated through groups before in his appearences. In his first it's his own minions, and in his second it's the Time Lord High Council (technically only one person, but still he did use a group). Meganerd18 21:28, September 30, 2010 (UTC)

The Doctor?
It's stated that the Doctor was the one responsible for the cracks and here it says the voice was. Could we at least say on here at the bottom that the voice could possibly be the Doctor or some type of evil manifestation for example the Valeyard and the Dream Lord? Vitas 13:13, July 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * Where does it say the Doctor caused the cracks? The Thirteenth Doctor 13:30, July 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * In The Pandorica Opens (TV story) when they're about to trap him in the Pandorica the Sontarans, Cybermen and Daleks all say it was the Doctor Who opened the cracks that's why they had to trap him in there. --Vitas 01:15, July 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * the voice was the one controlling the tardis and caused it to explode, the alliance assume that the doctor caused the cracks because they think that only he can pilot the tardis. The voice technically caused the cracks because it wanted to cause the end of the universe, and purpously exploded the tardis. the alience dont know about the voice and all the evidence they have points to the doctor so they said it was him 217.23.232.194 08:20, July 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * But then the Doctor could have done it for some ulterior motive such as saving the world from a real menace or doing it to pass a message on to himself in the past, like when he faked total death on the museum staircase. We've learnt now that the new doctor is not totally beyond screwing up the laws of the universe to try and save it. Like a policeman breaking the law to uphold the law. Pharap 04:09, September 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * The Alliance was wrong. They thought it was the Doctor because to their knowledge he was the only one who could pilot the TARDIS. However they're knowledge is incomplete as it was in fact River Song piloting the TARDIS, as she too knows how. During her piloting of it the Silence took control of it and blew it up. In addition the way it's talked about implies it's an individual entity (or a group). Therefore the Doctor is not the Silence. And to Pharap, the Doctor has never been beyond screwing up the laws of the universe, and the Eleventh has done nothing of the sort. MegaNerd18 04:23, September 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Moffat himself said on the last confidential that the doctor is breaking the laws of the universe. Bringing a sonic screwdriver back in its own timeline is a paradox, which is breaking the laws of the universe enforced by the reapers and previously the timelords. The Doctor has previously stuck to the laws of the universe with his 'fixed points in time' theory. A major plot point in the waters of mars was the Doctor's decission to break the laws of the universe in an attempt to save the lives of the inhabitants of Bowie Base One. There is no evidence to say that the voice isn't connected to the Doctor, even if the silence is a group, the Doctor could be a member of it. The Doctor also currently has a lack of knowledge behind it all so it could be a way of his future self alerting his past to something that is going to happen, like Rose and the Bad Wolf. Pharap 19:49, September 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * This topic is becoming non-related to the editing of the page, so I advise discussing this in the forums rather that on this talk page. --The Thirteenth Doctor 20:01, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

Davros?
The voice is fairly similar (though a little hard to hear as The Silence), and the motives and goals seem to align pretty well... --Witoki 13:27, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * I SERIOUSLY doubt it is Davros but I have to admit he was the first person that sprang to mind when I heard the voice. --Lyco499 05:15, December 29, 2010 (UTC)

Rename
Perhaps this would be better as the Silence. It is not conjectural, and has been called this several times both in and out of universe. Although we heard a voice, should that denote the name that we choose? The Thirteenth Doctor 20:16, July 21, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I completely agree here. Rossana refered to the Silence, the Doctor refered to the Silence, and Steven Moffat refered to the Silence. So, technically, that it's name. The Silence. Only fans called it the Voice, which is unofficial.

So yeah, we should honestly rename it to the Silence. We have felt (the pressence of) the Silence (in the form of literal silence) and heard the voice of the Silence. In both appearances, it came in the form of silence and later mentioned that silence would fall. So really, yep, we should call it the Silence. It sees silly not to. Delton Menace 06:48, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

thats a really cool name! i hope this is definetly the canon name for this race :D DarkShadowSword 00:45, April 28, 2011 (UTC)

really I thought it was the....
Master I though the silence with the Master he was using a headphone to to hide his voice but now I know it's a group so that kills it it must be a aline that we don't mat yet.

Omega
Personally, I'll continue to think that it's Omega until we hear anything definite otherwise; even if the Silence is a group, Omega remains the only person who was never definitively destroyed or defeated who might be able to take 'remote control' of the TARDIS and would potentially benefit from the destruction of the rest of the universe.MarcusSLazarus 20:54, December 25, 2010 (UTC)

The voice behind "The Silence"
I don't have any sources to confirm my suspicions, other than my very acute ears. I'm convinced that the voice is the actor John Hurt, who is another prominent british actor. Here he is playing Adam Sutler:

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhsvmY3Q9cY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhsvmY3Q9cY

]and here is the voice of the silence:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7vtlq1ZBLw

Although he isn't listed in the upcoming season six, it's very possible that he was used briefly as a favor, for a distinct and powerful voice, that sounded sinister. It may be just me, but I've always been very good with voice actors.ChairmanKiel 17:54, December 27, 2010 (UTC)ChairmanKiel

I believe that the Silence is behind the creation of the experimental TARDIS seen in the lodger. If they couln't build one then they just used the Doctors. And since the Loger's plot is being continued, then it is very likley the Silence will make an appearance.CourtneyFANno.1 02:11, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

i think the silence would be make its prescence more well-known in the upcoming 2011 series.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9rsnBxq_pY&feature=related

Sclera1 08:57, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

Is it me, or do The Silence sound like General Grievous? BNSF1995, Alive since 1995 02:14, May 2, 2011 (UTC)

Pure Speculation
I know it seems a bit silly, but does anyone remember that virus the doctor made that switched everything back to zero. Well what if that virus changed and is now trying to turn the universe back to zero, it kind of makes sense, zero=nothing aka silence.

The Silence revealed
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1377089/Doctor-Whos-new-enemy-The-Silence-makes-Daleks-look-like-Dusty-Bin.html

Should the picture be added?


 * Not until the episode which it appears in has been aired, and then the picture will need to be from that episode and not a promotion picture. --Revan\Talk 16:36, April 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * What abuot the name? By this point it's basically been confirmed that his name is "The Silence". Does it really still need to be considered conjecture?


 * It will remain conjecture until the name is spoken or seen in the credits of the TV series. Also, the image will not be added as it is promotional, and promotional images are not added to in-universe articles.Mini-mitch\talk 16:45, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

The Villians in Episode One?
First things first. I do believe that the Silence is a new original idea of Steven Moffats. Second I read an article saying that the Silence might become a classic villian (don't remember where it was from :( ) and it showed a picture of one of the aliens I saw in the released prequel for The Impossible Astronaunt. Could they be the same thing?


 * It's pretty much been all but confirmed that the Suit-Aliens are the Silence. -- MisterRandom2 18:50, April 18, 2011 (UTC)

What should be classed as "History" and others as "References"
I mean, their blowing up the TARDIS wasn't really a reference, it was part of their history. The same applies to what happened in Venice, whatever they did to make silence fall. But Rosanna said her species "ran from the Silence," which would put it as part of their history that went unseen.

References would include the Doctor mentioning that they're "still out there" in The Big Bang and Prisoner Zero foreshadowing whatever "silence will fall" means in relation to them, as they say the same thing, as heard in the Radio Silence trailer. Delton Menace 19:49, April 23, 2011 (UTC)

Whoa whoa whoa!
Can I just ask why we're already changeing it to this? I mean, I know that the grey aliens are most definitely the Silence, but aren't we actually supposed to wait until something in the episode actually says that it's them? We don't even know if "the silence" is a group, or if they are a species. The Thirteenth Doctor 20:01, April 23, 2011 (UTC)

Silents or Silence?
The credits to the last episode list "The Silent", raising the possibility that it is actually supposed to be plural "Silents", not Silence. Might be worth mentioning. --131.111.184.8 21:04, April 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * And I just realized ... There is a mention that this is a revolution, not an invasion. "[The] Silents will fall"? --131.111.184.8 21:08, April 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * The BBC website says a Silent in the singular form of the Silence. Delton Menace 21:09, April 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, never mind then. It is supposed to be plural, at least, which means my theory as to the meaning "Silence will fall" still holds up ... --131.111.184.8 21:11, April 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, never mind then. It is supposed to be plural, at least, which means my theory as to the meaning "Silence will fall" still holds up ... --131.111.184.8 21:11, April 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, never mind then. It is supposed to be plural, at least, which means my theory as to the meaning "Silence will fall" still holds up ... --131.111.184.8 21:11, April 23, 2011 (UTC)

Inclusion of a Reference to the eleventh hour
There is a reference to the eleventh hour when the doctor says he sees something out of the corner of his eye. I dont believe this is relevant as the main point at the time this is mentioned is the perception filter put up by prisoner zero. I don't think it likely that what the doctor is missing out of the corner of his eye is a Silent.

216.30.176.22 06:03, April 24, 2011 (UTC)Doctor'sCompanion123

Yeah, he ment the perception filter put up by prisoner Zero not wether there was a silent in Amy's house. Alpha111 06:28, April 24, 2011 (UTC)

the Lodger
I remember in the Lodger Amy while in the TARDIS looked and seemed to acknowledge the existence of something in the TARDIS and seemingly forgot it just as quick could this mean that there is one or more Silents in the TARDIS, and that they may have been there for a long time.

Silence will fall
Sorry, but my memory's a bit foggy, but I can't remember anything in the episode confirming this.
 * "The Silence was a mysterious species that forced the Doctor's TARDIS to explode on the date of June 26th 2010, and thus created cracks in time that would erase various things throughout the universe, and eventually the universe itself."

I know that everyone keeps saying "Silence will fall" in Doctor Who, but do we have any confirmation that the Silence are responsible? Again, sorry if it is confirmed, like I said my memory's a bit foggy. Manga (talk &bull; contribs) 11:40, April 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * "Something drew the TARDIS to this particular date. Why? And why now? The Silence is still out there... and I..." That's from the end of The Big Bang. Well... what I can remember from it! :P That basically said the Silence caused it. --The Thirteenth Doctor 13:17, April 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * That only really says that The Doctor believes that The Silence are involved. He says that "Something drew the TARDIS," not necessarily The Silence.
 * One of the sympnosis for series 6 refers to how the Silence blew the TARDIS up, and that series 6 reveals more of their hidden plans that theyhave been plotting against the Doctor since the dawn of time, or something like that. That, and Steven Moffat said the Silence blew the TARDIS up a while ago. 90.202.150.156 02:08, April 26, 2011 (UTC)

inspiration
I think i read it in the Doctor Who magazine, but i think in an interview, Steven Moffat was either inspired by a painting called "The Scream" or that the aliens in the Dr Who universe themselves inspired the painting, either way, it would be a good thing to point out. Sclera1 14:38, April 24, 2011 (UTC)

It could also be possible that they may have been based on the Slender Man a tall, grey faced, wierd arm, suit wearing silent creature. In perticular the Slender Man known as 'The Operator' from the Marble Hornets videos, as it has the ability to wipe peoples memories.Bhillybillybob 23:46, April 27, 2011 (UTC)

Where to Look?
I've been doing a lot of thinking about The Silence and have come up with a few things that stick out above other speculation. While I don't really believe that any of this reveals any major insight into who The Silence are or what they are doing, these may be some helpful things to think about when looking for clues and hints.

The first appearance of River Song was the episode "Silence in the Library" which also featured an antagonist in a space suit.

In "The Eleventh Hour" as the Tardis is crashing to Earth, The Doctor looks up towards the console and seems to see something puzzling, like someone or something he doesn't recognize. He looks away and then seems to forget all about whatever had puzzled him before. Later, in "The Lodger" Amy seems to have a similar sensation. This may suggest that The Silence have been on board the Tardis for some time.

The title of "The Impossible Astronaut" is also a reference to a previous episode, "The Impossible Planet." In that episode, The Doctor and Rose come across writing that The Doctor says is "impossibly old." River, when exploring the tunnels under the warehouse in "The Impossible Astronaut" says that they must be extremely old as well. There may be a connection between these episodes as the working title of the seventh episode of this season was "Demon's Run," and a later episode in the season is titled "God Complex."

In the opening sequence of "The Impossible Astronaut," there is a painting of The Doctor surrounded by angels. In the bottom right corner of that painting is a cloud/shape that seems to stand out. This cloud closely resembles a Silent.

That's all I have for now, hopefully someone finds this information useful in searching for more clues/hidden information.

174.138.205.108 03:01, April 25, 2011 (UTC)Seipher911

Image
This article needs an image.--Tim Thomason 08:26, May 1, 2011 (UTC)

K9 protest not relevant.
The K9 protest "stop the silence" isn't relevant, it's a different time, maybe even a different universe. It's a cry that the peoples' voices should be heard, not that the Silence are there. RedMarston 10:38, May 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * I have to agree, with this point. Although, K9 did start in 2010... right? K'jal'mar ( The talk| Contribs) 13:06, May 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm going to remove it, when the Baker's were writing K9 it was well before series 5 was ever even thought about, so its just a coincidence. In fact it's not even that, just a plea for the Department to tell people what they are doing really. --Revan\Talk 14:35, May 1, 2011 (UTC)

Men in black
I get the feeling Silence might be based on the urban legends of the men in black based on their style of dress and elusive nature.--Darth Oblivion 17:11, May 1, 2011 (UTC)

Possible Trivia
It might be worth mentioning that as well as looking like the character in the Scream painting, the Silence also look like the Slender Man character from the Slender Man mythos, especially because of the suits they wear and their tall slender appearance. What do you all think? 92.14.113.195 23:45, May 1, 2011 (UTC)