User:Najawin/Sandbox 7

Trying to do a bit of a historical dive into forums/talk pages and flesh out what is important and for why. Might be subjective, but hopefully I can figure out what might give some insight into what other people care about. GAAAAHHH people didn't archive talk pages in the early days. They just deleted them. Makes things hard to find.

https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Reference_desk_archives

https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Tech_notes_archives?t=20201127150922

Threads, 2006 and prior
<!--A lot of these are completely inapplicable to the modern wiki, as Czech's archive notes say when you look at the threads. A few things that are still somewhat relevant are:

Forum:Wikipedia Infobox link - Which seems to be the basis for the idea that we should avoid placing links in infoboxes and instead place them at the bottom of the page. (Even if we tend not to place links to wiki for episodes these days.)

Forum:Let's Get Organised - is a really interesting thread, being one of the first. Establishes T:NPOV, explicitly rejects the idea of canon, and discusses things like Tardis:To do list. Not everything in here has had lasting support, as Czech notes in his archivist comment, but I think even the proposals that "failed" are ones we should revisit from time to time. Certainly notable, even if we ignore that it started the forum system.

Forum:Origins of the format for television story entries - As discussed by Czech in his archivist note, this is an important historical thread for looking at how our story pages developed. It's useful to look at if you want to know why things grew to be the way they are, or perhaps argue that we should make changes. But things have changed since then.

Forum:Protect story pages? - Didn't really get a ton of discussion, but there seems to be a decision not to protect pages, even semi-important ones, unless active vandalism occurs.

Forum:Influences Section on Story Pages - RIP, removal of literary analysis of stories unless specifically stated by people in production.

Forum:Archives of the original Panopticon - We see some of the basics of the POV, Manual of Style, canon policy, as well as naming policy.

Forum:The original Panopticon - Discussion of formats for both book articles, as well as character articles, the start of our categorization system, and naming policy.

Forum:The original inclusion debates - What a mess. So the original idea seems to be to segregate sources that are likely to contradict others away from the rest, with differing opinions as to how viable this is. Ultimately the segregation option doesn't seem to have gone through, based on the above decision to implement T:NPOV. But for all the bringing up of specific items, there's not a lot of discussion or clear decisions about them. It does seem to be the source of our merchandise rules though.
 * There is no context for the merchandise to have canon, they are an object rather than a 'work'. Everything that is considered canon has content that can give the text context within the wider DW Universe. You can read a novel, watch a TV show, listen to an audio drama. A piece of merchandise, or specifically a figure is an object from a text, its meaning is given definition from its source text

Other issues involve treating target novelizations as "secondary canon" and discussion of using novelizations for page names. It also contains the very fun quote:
 * I suppose, therfore, what I'm advocating is that television be allowed to dominate when there's a clash between an episode and an adventure in another medium. That seems to be what the BBC is actually saying their policy is, if not entirely publicly. I am quite certain that in the eyes of the copyright holder, the television episodes are top-tier continuity, while all the other stuff is roughly equal. It follows then that central facts about a televised subject — their name, their marital status, the time from whence they come, details about their regeneration or death — cannot solely come from another medium.-->

Talk pages, 2007
Talk:Universe - Interesting discussion of The Cosmology of the Spiral Politic (feature) and how at this time IU essays were still grey area.

Talk:Eighth Doctor/Archive 1 - Some pushback on the idea of IU perspective on all articles. Specifically:
 * To say, simply, that the events of The Eight Doctors are what happened directly after the television movie is entirely biased towards that particular medium. There's no reason in the world why Storm Warning, End Game, or Dreadnought can't equally be viewed as the immediate post-TVM story.

Talk:DWIN - !!!! One of the early discussions concerning covering fan content on this wiki, no matter how notable. Interesting reasoning.

Talk:K9 Mark IV - interesting discussion of how merchandising might be used to supplement narrative sources for minor things like names. Not major, as every page must be named something, but, y'know.

Talk:Bat - is an interesting place where there's early suggestion that we might actually not have pages for every small thing mentioned in the DWU (as does Forum:Let's Get Organised).

Talk:Jack Harkness/Archive 1 - hardline push against speculation and BTS comments on Face of Boe stuff.

Tangerine's talk page includes some notable early discussion about merchandising!
 * the pricing in context with merchandising overall gives a reflection of the quality and the market at which the product is released. To collectors, researchers and historians this is useful. [...] If the TARDIS wiki is to be all-inclusive to information pertaining to Doctor Who, then merchandising (endorsed by the BBC through various enterprises), could indeed be a draw to the site for a range of `collectors' hungry for specifics

This prompted Forum:Addition of 'Pricing' to the Magazine Infobox, as discussed above. (I greatly appreciate that someone mentioned to Tangerine that Kylie Minogue was going to be returning as the Rani on his talk page and he seemed to get annoyed and delete it.)

Talk:Korst Gogg Thek Lutiven-Day Slitheen - huh, names based on novelization, all those years ago.

Talk:Big Finish Doctor Who audio stories - Hmm, trying to split off things that don't feature The Doctor from things that do feature The Doctor. Seeing a recurring trend in some of these early talk page/threads.

User talk pages to explore:
User talk:CzechOut User talk:Tangerineduel User talk:Azes13 User talk:Josiah Rowe-not until 2011 User talk:Ghelæ User talk:The Librarian User talk:Colleyd User talk:Skittles the hog User talk:Jack's the man User talk:Dark Lord Xander

For sorting later:
2008-2010 https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:The_Master 2010 https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Blood_of_the_Cybermen_-_how_to_define_them https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Categories_-_More_than_3_articles https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Cybermen_articles https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Cybus_Cybermen https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Dead_and_Buried https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:First_and_last_words_in_Regeneration_article https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Is_capitalisation_enough_to_distinguish_two_articles%3F https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Is_in-character_linking_narration_canonical%3F https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Is_there_something_wrong_with_the_howling%3F https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Layout https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Phoenix_short_story_cover_query https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Pre-Airing_episode_articles https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Premature_character_page_creation https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Premature_page_creation https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Premature_page_creation_(comics_and_audios) https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Premature_page_policies_-_again https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Production_Blocks https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Screenshots_from_the_game https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Short_Trips_prose_v._Short_Trips_audio https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Short_Trips_volume_layout https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Should_the_TARDIS_article_be_split_up%3F https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Species_pages https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Spoilers_on_upcoming_audios https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Template_placement https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:The_Adventure_Games https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:The_War_King_incarnation_of_the_Master https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:These_title_card_articles https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:These_title_card_articles https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Thumbnails https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:We_need_a_policy_on_videogames https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Who_counts_as_a_companion%3F

2011 https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:2entertain_Shada https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:A_Spoiler_tag https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:A_few_changes%3F https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Alienation_of_new_and_IP_users https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Aliens_and_enemies_templates:_the_final_battle https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:ALL_EDITORS:_please_install_this_in_your_personal_settings https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Appearances https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:CIA:_Who_gets_the_redirect%3F https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Background https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Character_Pages https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Character_information_on_novels,_etc https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Charity_anthology_short_stories https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Clarification_on_what_a_pseudo-historical_is. https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Could_we_create_article_for_each_Cybermen_Mark/Model%3F https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Disambiguating_the_two_Doctor_Who_Insiders https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Doctor_Who_Magazine_page_update https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Free_image_categories https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Gallifreyan_history_and_History_of_the_Daleks%3F https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Home_Era https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Home_Era_layout https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Interwiki_Requests https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Magazine_Reference https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Miracle_Day_and_template:wales_crew https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Moving_a_page_for_disambiguation https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:NO_SPOILERS_at_the_Panopticon https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:New_Torchwood_Team https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:New_flip_books_by_BBC_Childrens_Books https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Next_Time_trailer https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:No_colourised_pics,_but_what_about_comics%3F https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Overhaul_of_featured_article_nominations https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Quotes_at_top_of_pages https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Quotes_or_transcripts https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:References_and_continuity:_what_exactly_is_the_difference%3F https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Series_5_DVD_%27Inside_the_TARDIS%27 https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Series_6_spring_finale https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Should_all_multiple_listings_in_infoboxes_be_bullet_pointed%3F https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Should_novels_%26_audio_stories_have_a_plot_description%3F https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Should_we_class_Big_Finish%27s_Doctor_Who_Unbound_series_as_non-canon%3F https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Should_we_establish_a_%22Cyberman_(Pete%27s_World)%22_enemies_category%3F https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Son_of_Using_Full_Names https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Story_pages_should_have_reception_sections https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Tags_on_talk_pages https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:The_Key_2_Time_in_titles https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:The_Unspecified_Cyberman_Debate https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:The_royal_%27We%27 https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Titles https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Triple_Miracle_Day_broadcast_dates:_Why%3F https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Unknown_species https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Users_should_be_allowed_any_youtube_video_on_their_user_page https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Using_official_twitter_pages_as_a_source%3F https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:What_do_we_call_the_post-Miracle_Day_Torchwood%3F https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Why_we_sometimes_protect_article_creation:_the_curious_case_of_Dorium_Maldavar https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Years_-_Separate_pages_or_Century_pages

2012 https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:%22Companions_of_the_Nth_Doctor%22_Templates https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:%22Setting%22_in_story_infoboxes_and_UNIT_dating https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Audio_Visuals https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Any_way_the_Audios_can_be_updated_on_the_front_page https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Bug_in_the_Game_of_Rassilon https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Can_this_wikia_get_an_upgraded_theme%3F_The_current_one_is_beyond_ugly. https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Character_Profiles_on_K9_DVDs https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:DWM_issues:_please_help_(re)write_leads https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Disambiguation:_Omegas https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Distant_past/Far_future_categories https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Doctor_Who_and_the_Related_Videos_Spambot https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Doctor_Who_prefix_in_titles https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Doctor_Who_webcasts https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Foreshadowing_section_on_Doctors_pages https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Image_names https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Individual_ranked_Cybermen https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Layout_and_navigation_updates_October_3 https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Leela_Audio_Story_category https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Living_versions_of_paintings https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Meanwhile_in_the_TARDIS:_Differentiating_the_scenes https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:New_past_Doctor_stories:_PDA%3F https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:One_of_the_only https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Overhaul_of_%27mini-episode%27_articles https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Page_images_for_DWBIT_comic_stories https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Prefix_simplification https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Reference_books_-_what_do_we_cover%3F https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:References_to_BFDWU_as_alternate_or_diverging_timeline https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Removing_stubs https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Rumours_and_their_sources https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:SJA_and_companions_of_the_Doctor https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Should_Cyber-Leader,_Cyber-Controller_and_Cyber-Lieutenant_be_split%3F https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Should_Doctor_Who_(1996)_be_Doctor_Who_(TV_story)%3F https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Story_Numbering https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Text_not_showing_up_on_Laurence_Payne_page https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Thanks_for_using_British_spellings https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:The_Dalek_Conquests_prefix https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:The_Destroyers_and_other_Lost_Stories https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Two_questions_on_DWBIT_comics_pages https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Undated_and_unchronicled_events https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Wantedpages https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:What%27s_the_focus_on_the_Cyber-Controller_page%3F https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:What_%22voice_actor%22_means_on_this_wiki https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Where_do_all_TARDIS_Index_File_articles_lead_to%3F