Talk:Man with the rosette

Master?
Am I reading the BTS note correctly? We only know this guy is the Master because of something Lance Parkin reported about what Larry Miles said? Wouldn't it then follow that he is not the Master based upon in-universe sources? And doesn't that then mean we are wrong to state, in the lead no less, that the Man with the Rosette is the Master? 15:15: Sun 08 Jan 2012
 * It's been a long time since I read The Adventuress of Henrietta Street, but as I recall there were strong hints that the Man with the Rosette was the Master in that (his only significant appearance). I'd have to re-read the book to see what those hints were. —Josiah Rowe talk to me 03:32, April 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * Concerning the imminent merger of the Master pages, I'd like to know these hints and if they're really enough to say in-universe that he's the Master. -- Tybort (talk page) 14:28, September 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * I think this article should be preserved as it is, though linked from the incorporated Master article.
 * There isn't enough solid information to outright confirm it's the Master, there's just a lot of hints.
 * If you ignore the first line of the article what's in the Biography is what's said in the novel. There's nothing outright that he says or does that screams "this is the Master", it's very underplayed. --Tangerineduel / talk 16:48, September 9, 2012 (UTC)

The Slow Empire
I believe the man who appears to Anji in The Slow Empire is Sabbath, not the Man with the Rosette. For one, I've just reread the passage and he's described as neither "slim" nor "rather handsome"; rather, he's wearing a pristine dinner suit (like Sabbath), with slicked back black hair (like Sabbath) and a cane (like Sabbath). In contrast, the Man with the Rosette's distinguishing characteristic - the eponymous rosette - is completely absent in The Slow Empire. Furthermore, the man in The Slow Empire is accompanied by a grotesque familiar, just like the babewyns staffing Sabbath's ship.

There are additional out-of-universe reasons to think he's intended to be Sabbath: namely, Sabbath was singled out by editor Justin Richards as a major recurring antagonist of the latter EDAs, and his character notes were distributed among other writers; so it makes sense that he would appear in The Slow Empire, whereas the Man with the Rosette was a one-off that wasn't visibly choreographed with other writers. (And, since The Slow Empire predated his official introduction in The Adventuress of Henrietta Street, it would make sense if his appearance didn't perfectly match ... although as it happens, it does.) – n8 (☎) 21:04, 27 June 2021 (UTC)