Talk:Vortex manipulator

Doesn't Jack Harkness where this all the time. If so it has appeared in every Torchwood episode.


 * I think this refers to plot-relevant appearances. --Stardizzy2 21:26, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

But he did use it in Exit Wounds and Everything Changes properly from what I can remember. SuperHeroChaos 18:36 30th June 2009

Correction??
"is able to enhance the accuracy of the travel path, as the Doctor is able to use it to guide Jack and Martha from the future back to when they had last left"- It is used to "hook" onto the tardis so this does not mean that it is working accurately but just working as a "lasso" 86.169.203.76 19:43, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Cleanup
I've put this page in for a cleanup. Really, what it is in dire need of is separation and simplifying of what is history, and what is an ability. There shouldn't be an abilities section and a functions section as that basically means the same thing. The Thirteenth Doctor 20:27, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

Removal of speculation
When I encountered it article contained these two lines:
 * Jack immediately shooting the Dalek after teleporting suggests that he saw it coming, meaning the manipulator may show you where you teleport before you arrive.


 * Jack's method of reactivating the manipulator suggests that vortex manipulator technology may derive its origins from earlier Earth-based programs such as Project Indigo.

These are both totally speculative and easily countered with other ideas. Just to take the second one, it's possible that Project Indigo turns into vortex manipulators many years hence. It's also possible that Jack, or another Time Agent, had an encounter with Sontarans in which they stole the VM tech and put it into their transport tech. Thus, when UNIT scavenged the tech, they were actually, unknowingly, taking tech from Time Agents, once removed. Plenty of reason to doubt these lines as just one possibility.

'''Unnecessary removal of edits...I made some significante revisions to this article, only to have them removed. Why? Other than one speculatory suggestion, everything else was observable facts from screened episodes. This is supposed to be an informatory service, not just one person's narrow understanding of what an episode has shown or inferred, hence the 'edit' option being available to anyone. '''
 * Were there specific changes you wanted to discuss here? (I notice that instead you've chosen to make rather extensive use of the "Undo" feature of the history...) For example, you seem to wish to re-add a note speculating on why the Ninth Doctor had no issue with Jack being in posession (sic) of a fully functional vortex manipulator, never once attempting to disable it during their travels. Well, firstly, we don't know that. Even if we do accept that to be the case, one could certainly put forth various hypotheses on why. However, any such theories would be simple speculation. For example, maybe it was because Jack was supervised and travelling with the Ninth Doctor in the TARDIS at that point, not hopping around unsupervised on 21st century Earth? There's one on the page now citing the Jack's fixed point nature being the reason. Seems odd given that the Tenth Doctor invited jack to go travelling with him again at the end of Last of the Time Lords... For that matter, one could speculate that perhaps the Ninth Doctor *did* attempt to disable Jack's VM, and we just didn't know about it? These kind of speculations don't really belong on this page, plus they're really more speculations about Jack than the VM itself. They don't add anything to the description of the device or its usage. I welcome your thoughts, and those of others. Spreee 21:18, September 21, 2011 (UTC)Spreee