Howling:How did Ace become a Time Lady?

I saw on the tardisdex that Ace became a Time Lady. Does anyone know how that happened? Chericola talk to me 08:14, April 1, 2012 (UTC)

April Fools. 31.52.253.94talk to me 13:42, April 1, 2012 (UTC)

According to the behind the scenes section on her page, she would have gone to Gallifrey to train as an apprentice Time Lady. I guess that it would have turned out that you don't need to be a Gallifreyan to be a Time Lord in that episode. Does anyone know if that plotline actually appeared in any story, because if not then she probably shouldn't be called a Time Lady in the infoboxIcecreamdif talk to me 20:37, April 1, 2012 (UTC)

Ace never became a Time Lady. If the series had continued for one more season, then the Dr. would have brought her to Gallifrey and enrolled her in the academy. Since the season was never made, it never happened. 214.13.69.132talk to me 12:59, April 2, 2012 (UTC)

The reference desk would probably have been a better place for this than the Howling, but I went and removed the reference to her being possibly a Time Lady from the infobox, since that apparently never actually happenned.Icecreamdif talk to me 17:37, April 2, 2012 (UTC)

Ace becomes a Time Lady in Death Comes to Time. That story is pretty much impossible to square with subsequent stories (since it involves the Doctor and every other Time Lord dying out during the Doctor's seventh incarnation), and doesn't even make much sense in comparison to previous ones (because why are there only four Time Lords left? Why choose Ace as their successor? Since when does the Doctor have the power to kill people by telling them to die?), but I suppose it's as official as everything else. Ace is apparently not a Time Lady in the continuity of the New Adventures, EDAs, or the current TV show, but she did become a Time Lady in that story. I also read that there are plans to make an audio play version of the "lost" Ace-Goes-to-Gallifrey TV story. That said, I'd probably just list her as human in her infobox and note the divergent timelines featured her involving into something more. -- Rowan Earthwood talk to me 16:51, April 24, 2012 (UTC)

Well, I changed the infobox to just list her as human a few weeks ago. If you want to add something about her becoming a Time Lord in Death Comes to Time, then go ahead, but I don't really know enough about the story to do it myself.Icecreamdif talk to me 19:42, April 24, 2012 (UTC)

If Ace did become a Time Lady, couldn't the Time Lords have used a chameleon arch to make her Gallifreyan? Just a thought. 82.2.136.93talk to me 20:57, May 20, 2012 (UTC)

It might only work on Gallifreyans, and she'd lose all of her memories of being human. The chameleon arch is something that is only used in emergencies. Besides, River would seem to suggest that it is perfectly possible to be a Timelord without being Gallifreyans.Icecreamdif talk to me 05:13, May 21, 2012 (UTC)

River had Time Lord abilities because she was conceived inside the time vortex. And is it a certainty that a chameleon arch always has to cause someone to lose their memories of the time before they used it? 82.2.136.93talk to me 15:15, May 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * River's Time Lord abilities were due to a combination of being conceived in the vortex, and having her DNA manipulated by Madame Kovarian. That's why the pregnant Amy had to be kidnapped. Obviously that never happened to Ace, but it proves the concept that a human can be a Time Lord. We've only seen the chameleon arch used twice, so it's hard to make any generalizations about it, but one has to wonder why the Doctor and the Master would change their memories if they didnt have to. In both cases, simply changing their biology would probably have been enough to hide. Journey's End showed us that Gallifreyans and Human minds are not really compatible with each other, so the memory erasure probably is a necessity.Icecreamdif talk to me 19:06, May 22, 2012 (UTC)

The memory erasure may well be a necessity for the Time Lord to human transition, because a human brain can't cope with a Time Lord mind (as explained in Journey's End). For a human to Time Lord transition, there likely wouldn't need to be any erasure; the demands of a human mind wouldn't overload a Time Lord brain. You can't fit a quart into a pint pot but fitting a pint into a quart pot is no problem. --2.101.57.113talk to me 18:52, May 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that does make sense. It would also explain why the Doctor and the Master both remember being John Smith and Yana. Still, the memories aren't the only problem with the chameleon arch. We can't really know whether or not a chameleon arch would work, without fully knowing the difference between Time Lords and Gallfreyans. For example, if Ace were to use a chameleon arch, she would probably grow a second heart, but would she be able to regenerate, or become time sensitive without having looked into the untempered schism as a child?being a Time Lord is about more than just biology. Otherwise, Kovarian could have just had the Silence steal a chameleon arch, and turned herself into a Time Lord.Icecreamdif talk to me 19:49, May 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * You're right that being a Time Lord is more than just biology, but I think you're wrong to suggest that it would be easy for the Silence to get hold of a chameleon arch. Time Lord technology is extremely rare in the universe, now that the Time Lords are gone. —Josiah Rowe talk to me 02:54, May 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * Maybe not easy, but with their memory wiping abilities, stealing the Doctor's chameleon arch probably wouldn't have been much harder than kidnapping the pregnant Amy. Of course, its not unlikely that they didn't even know that the thing existed.Icecreamdif talk to me 03:09, May 25, 2012 (UTC)

just speculating here, but do we have any proof the silence didn't take the chameleon arch in case melody failed? Imamadmad talk to me 05:38, May 25, 2012 (UTC)

I don't think we do have any proof the silence didn't take the chameleon arch but neither do we have proof they didn't grab a copy of the Matrix from Gallifrey. We've absolutely no indication that they did get hold of an arch. Furthermore, the only arch we know of is part of the Doctor's TARDIS and depends on the TARDIS for some of its functions. To get hold of a functioning arch, the Silence would need to have got hold of a TARDIS (possibly the one the Master used to get to the end of the universe and make himself Professor Yana). If they'd done that, they'd have a TARDIS they could use and wouldn't need to make do with cheap imitations. --89.241.68.199talk to me 07:22, May 25, 2012 (UTC)