User:SOTO/Forum Archive/The Panopticon/@comment-1451563-20180913002703/@comment-24894325-20190112093325

User:SOTO/Forum Archive/The Panopticon/@comment-1451563-20180913002703/@comment-24894325-20190112093325 Well, actually the show starting to use singular "they" for the Doctor would have exactly zero bearing on this thread. This is why I keep reminding everyone that singular "they" is already a policy. What you mean by "If it would just be accepted by the show, that would make things simpler" is "If it would just be accepted by the show, that would make it simpler for me to accept the current policy". But objectively the policy requires no further justification.

I feel that I bear the responsibility for the prolonged existence of this thread, twice. You see, it should have been closed from the get-go by T:POINT. The awkwardness/ambiguity has been covered in Thread:152896 and SOTO's note at the end applies literally to both the Master and the Doctor (the former being a woman for quite some time by the time of that thread's closure). And restarting old discussion without any material difference in circumstance or new arguments does not warrant a repeat discussion.

I hasten to emphasise, in light of the preceding happenings, that it was not Game-fanatic's responsibility to bring this up but mine.

Unfortunately, two things happened. The argument about dominant gender was brought up and in such a way that I felt was not supported if not downright contradicted by in-universe sources. And, frankly, knowing the policy regarding the Doctors, I forgot where it stemmed from, until SOTO brought it up.

When SOTO closed this thread as a duplicate of existing discussions, they were right through and through as, by that time, nothing changed in DWU since 2017 to upset the current policy. The thread was reopened not because new evidence came to light but because it could have come to light, which is not really how T:POINT works. And it was my enthusiasm for in-universe research that prompted the reopening, my second mea culpa.

Still, as Shambala108 said upthread, one can err on the side of welcome and indulge new users even against the letter of the policy. The wait was not too onerous and I went along with it.

That wait is over, by the way, and nothing going against the current policy has surfaced. On the contrary, a couple of quotes undermining the overgenderisation of Time Lords have been found (some by yours truly). While comic stories will continue to be released regularly, it is exactly against the infinite wait for something coming out of them that T:POINT is intended. When (and if) an in-universe source would violate the current policy, then there will be a basis for returning to this discussion.

Having said that, there were certainly additional points and suggestions made by various participants that can be added to the wiki lore in the closing argument. We just have to wait for an admin who has not participated yet to come around and write it. If I have time I might try to summarise everything that was brought up for their consumption.