User talk:CzechOut

For discussions approximately prior to the coming of the Eleventh Doctor (and precisely before 02:33, April 3, 2010 (UTC)), please see: RTD era discussions.

Wales crew
Interesting template, could I ask for a small change, just to keep things consistent across all pages? Instead of a colon can it be a hyphen between the title and person? I didn't want to go changing things on it in case you were still mucking around with it. Thanks. --Tangerineduel 06:41, April 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * I do feel kinda strongly that they're hyphens rather than colons.
 * It's not completely about following a standard, it's more that the colons are more used in citing sources on pages and when looking through the page it's one of those things that you see connected with that sort of thing, and I'd really prefer it to be hyphens so the cast and crew listing are marked out when looking at them as their own defined thing. Nothing else on the wiki uses X - X except the cast/crew listings and I'd prefer to keep that visual difference intact. --Tangerineduel 13:39, April 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * Just noticed looking on the Victory of the Daleks page that Andrew Gunn's name isn't linking within the template. Hopefully it's only a small issue. Thanks. --Tangerineduel 17:13, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

Reflist
Hey, I've fixed the errors in the reflist template (which seemed to function fine without actually existing). But anyways the issue as I saw you can see in the changes I've made (I removed your stuff about saying it wasn't working) but feel free to put whatever back in.

Anyways the issue was that while you named the references (which you'd do to use the references multiple times in the same article), you didn't cite anything as the reference which needs to be done the first time the ref name thing is used. So when the the reflist came to assemble all the references in the reflist it hit errors because there wasn't anything to cite. Hope this helps. --Tangerineduel 14:43, April 16, 2010 (UTC)

Cite
I sent a message off to wikia central and was told that they'll be upgrading the extensions when they upgrade the MediaWiki software, which should be coming in the next few weeks. As soon as the developers release MediaWiki 1.16 Wikia will also be upgrading everything else along with it. --Tangerineduel 05:41, April 17, 2010 (UTC)

Bot and Captcha
The short answer is...I'm not sure, not sure what setting have been changed or altered. It's nothing I have specifically changed.

Having a quick look around the wikia central forums brings up a range of things it could be.

One thing to note, your bot doesn't appear as a listed bot see Special:ListUsers/bot, I did look into changing your bot's user rights, but that option is locked to me (admin's aren't totally all powerful).

All I can really suggest is head to the Wiki central forums and if that doesn't help go for the Contact wikia staff link. Sorry I couldn't be of more help. --Tangerineduel 16:55, April 19, 2010 (UTC)

Timeline template
Just to be clear - as long as I don't go around creating new pages and using HTML coding I'm OK in editing the pages, meaning I can add/update new items? Or are you requesting the pages not be updated at all? No biggie with earlier years, but things are moving pretty rapidly with regards to 2010, obviously. 23skidoo 22:04, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * Cool. I'm not planning to add any new years anytime soon, anyway! 23skidoo 22:31, April 22, 2010 (UTC)

Rice University
Best to check the 'what links here' before wiping out a redirect. (Though I'm not sure why a university's name should be funny?). I change the only linking article to the correct page and deleted the redirect. --Tangerineduel 15:26, April 23, 2010 (UTC)

Deleting Timelines
I agree 2016 should be deleted for now. But will doing so mess up your bot or the template? 23skidoo 03:31, April 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, I'll go ahead and knock down 2016. It'll be a couple years at least before we're likely get anything real-world related to put there (I suppose I could put the 10th anniversary of Torchwood on there, but that's stretching it). 23skidoo 03:45, April 24, 2010 (UTC)

2014
What lead sentence? All I saw was a single item. That's not a lead. I take extreme exception of being accused of subverting anyone's efforts. I expect an apology. No, I demand one. No one asked me for my opinion on this - I didn't even know the discussion was underway. All I thought was going on was some stuff about a template. This is the same sort of crap that made me tell Wikipedia to go to hell. In fact, you guys can have fun. I've got better things to do with my time. 23skidoo 03:52, April 24, 2010 (UTC)

Wikipediainfo included
Is it a good idea to have the wikipediainfo included in the template?

Do we need the wikipediainfo template for years 2000 to 1990? I can understand for televised Doctor Who world events giving the production years context and all, but did 1990-2000 mostly prose years are they all relevant? --Tangerineduel 14:29, April 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * All valid points.
 * I realised what I'd written (about the implied preferencing one over the other) after I'd hit save page.
 * So yeah, controlled non-manipulateable is probably easier in the long run, one less thing for people to mess around with.
 * Though one thing of concern is that the wikipediainfo generally resided at the bottom of the page, while having it included as it is means the timeline is now at the top of the page. It's just that the wikipediainfo is an out-of-universe link dealing with the real world, so its placement at the bottom was to be down with the real world stuff.
 * Also did I miss something about the placement of the timeline being at the top right (I'm sure I asked about it being placed centre bottom)?
 * Neither of which is too much of an issue, I'm guessing it's because the top of the article is where the in-universe stuff resides and since the timeline pages are in-universe first the navigation template should go up the top rather than buried down the bottom of the page? --Tangerineduel 15:19, April 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * Righty. The year articles are one of the places I don't spend a lot of time on.
 * Just a random question, is infoboxen the plural of infobox? I (and wikitionary) seem to think it's infoboxes, or is infoboxen a collection of infoboxes?
 * But hurray! No yellow. I don't actually mind the grey.
 * As for future secondary infoboxes, we should consider not overwhelming the page with too many infoboxes. --Tangerineduel 16:53, April 24, 2010 (UTC)

Welcome template
Hi, the issue with implementing the template automatically was (and still is it seems) that it doesn't work. Wikia rolled out a process through which anything placed on a particular MediaWiki welcome page would add to all new users and add the admin who had most recently edited on the wiki. The issue was neither I nor Toughpigs (who edits here and I think is an admin over on the central wiki) could make it work effectively. The issue is that it wouldn't add the template, it'd just add the code of the template, looking at your bot's most recent additions it's having the same issue.

What I had intended to do was pair back the welcome template so there was no coding in it and re-add it to the automatic mediawiki welcomer thing. So while it wouldn't look as pretty all the information would be there. --Tangerineduel 12:50, April 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Umm...not to point the obvious but your bot is still adding the code rather than the template.
 * I would rather have to add the template manually that have a bot that adds the code (which for new users to see all that on their talk page is rather daunting), it's basically the same reason I and admins on other wikis opted to disable the automatic process a while ago for the same reasons. --Tangerineduel 13:31, April 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Also the other issue with using a bot, rather than a person is that a person (or the method through which the mediawiki added and used and admin) is that if a new user sees the template with a user's or admin's name on it they can go to them for help, with a bot it's sort of a dead end process. --Tangerineduel 13:32, April 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * That's precisely the point, it adds the code of the welcome template rather than the template itself. (Hit edit and have a look or look at the 1500 or so character count in the recent changes).
 * As I said it's also the issue we faced with the automated welcome template.
 * Also as I said it's also a question of the user whose talk page it is being able to ask questions of the person leaving the welcome tag, be it a user or an admin, but not a bot.
 * I would ask strongly that you please disable this particular function of the bot. --Tangerineduel 13:44, April 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * The code does make a difference, it makes a difference how you read something when you're looking at it in code view, whether it's a neat template or all the coding stuff, for new users it really does. Appearances for new users and how stuff looks does matter and when dealing with new users the lack of all that coding means a less daunting experience.
 * I know you know and I know that the bot links back to your page, but again this template gets added to new user's pages, so there may be some confusion when that happens.
 * I'm speaking here from both being a new user on other wikis (back when I joined I don't think there was a welcome template) and dealing with new users.
 * I have gone back and re-enabled the mediawiki welcome to see whether anything's changed since we last enabled it, and if it hasn't maybe pairing it back, or just disabling it again. --Tangerineduel 14:11, April 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Been there done that and it didn't work.
 * Template:WelcomeMediawiki and Template:WelcomeMediawikianon are the two templates I created to use on the auto mediawiki space. As you should be able to see in the recent changes (look for edits made by User:Wikia. The template (still) doesn't work. These templates aren't used as the main thing for the mediawiki (MediaWiki:Welcome-message-user) that's one of the pages, there's 3 that are used to implement the welcome feature, but it just seems to pull through the template code (for some reason) rather than just the template. Despite the template not being on the mediawiki page. --Tangerineduel 17:21, April 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes we probably are talking about different things (sometimes I just start rambling after reading talk responses very quickly and then wonder if I've gone off on the wrong tangent).
 * Any how...there is something weird that happens with the automated welcome template where even though the welcome template is nested (that's what I was rambling about above with the automated...thing) it still doesn't grab the template it (for some reason) grabs the code (I don't know why). Take User_talk:209.169.196.24 for example, this was (supposed) have the anon welcome template added, and through the above mediawiki nesting thing (excuse the overuse of 'thing' it's rather late for me) even though the template was nested rather than on the page it pulled through the code. I don't know why, having had a look at other wikis that have implemented this the code seems also seems to turn up. Hence we've stuck with adding the welcome template manually. Also why I've been considering pairing the automated welcome template back to a simple welcome and signature with a link to a separate welcome and introduction page as a way to get around the pull through code thing. --Tangerineduel 17:40, April 25, 2010 (UTC)

BBC copyright tag
On first thoughts I am fine with what you suggest (ie grouping to BBC titles), then I had another thought, that the copyright bits explicitly word 'covers', and I'm as interested in contents as well, which can often be illustrated. Furthermore, I do like the idea of seperately crediting the magazine title. As the Radio Times for years was the only source of Doctor Who news it seems odd that we ommitted it but that could be because Im the only one so far (ish) working on padding it out - stay tuned! The Librarian 20:25, April 25, 2010 (UTC)