User talk:Bongolium500

As an admin, I'm here to help: please feel free to ask me for assistance, particuarly with the more technical aspects of the wiki, here. Remember to create a new section and sign your message with " ~ ". Bongo50  ☎

Re: The Daft Dimension
A pleasure to see a new user going into such details and minutiae of dabbing policy! It's worth noting that the Daft Dimension naming scheme is identical to the one used for the Quinn & Howett Doctor Who? stories, which is massive enough that even if it isn't currently recorded in policy, the way of translating "Doctor Who? (DWM 103 comic story)" into a "(Doctor Who? 103)" dab term can, by now, be considered "current policy" in th T:BOUND sense of the term.

Beyond that, I'm sure people like User:Borisashton will have an opinion on this issue, so you'd best copy over the text of your message to Talk:The Daft Dimension so that more people can participate. I think the current way is fine, personally — IIRC Doctor Who? strips aren't numbered, although I'm not sure if Daft Dimension ones are, so it's easier for readers wanting to track down the story to have the number of the issue, rather than the number of the story itself within the series, since that number is not present anywhere in the actual stories. Scrooge MacDuck ☎  20:18, 28 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the speedy response. As I mentioned, I am new here and so I'm not sure if I'm supposed to reply here or on your talk page. I hadn't even thought to put this on Talk: The Daft Dimension so I will do that right away. them you. Bongo50 (aka Bongolium500) ☎  20:38, 28 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Hm, yeah, usually one should reply on the talk page of the other fellow. Quite alright not to have figured this out on the first try, though, don't worry!Scrooge MacDuck ☎  20:57, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

T:VS elucidation
Hi! Just spotted User:Bongolium500/Sandbox 3. There are a few points on which you say you are unsure, so let me clarify: Also, although that would in theory be a valid grounding on which to rule it out IMO, Can I Help You? is not currently deemed to be invalid on Rule 1 grounds; after all, we do dab it as a "(short story)" still. Rather, it is provisionally invalid for reasons similar to the Dalek Wars short stories — it's suspected that being too tied in with a "merchandise tie-in" makes it fail Rule 4 for similar reasons to commercials. It was due for a proper inclusion debate when the UCP mishap happened. Scrooge MacDuck ☎  19:27, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
 * A work which passes Rules 2 and 3 (commercially licensed by a DWU copyright-holder, and officially released), but fails Rule 1 (being a story) and Rule 4 (being meant to be set in the DWU), would be covered-as-invalid. A non-narrative parody gamebook, for example. The Universe Marathon may count: it's licensed and released, but it's a parody and has a branching narrative, so it's invalid.
 * A work with passes Rules 2 (licensed) and 4 (meant to be set in the DWU), but fails Rule 1 (being a story) and Rule 3 (having been officially released)… Or a work which passes Rule 2 (licensed) but fails the other three little rules… That depends on what you mean by "failing Rule 3". Obviously T:SPOIL applies to these things, as it does to everything. But if we had information about a cancelled licensed, non-narrative Doctor Who work, then I think we would have an unprod page on that work. I don't know that the case has ever come up, but in theory we could.

Daft Dimension numbering
Please do not change the citations in the (COMIC: The Daft Dimension 477) format. This is used on hundreds of pages, potentially thousands, across the Wiki to efficiently cite individual installments of Doctor Who? and The Daft Dimension, and even if I agreed that these citations aren't really proper, T:BOUND would apply for such a wide-ranging change. Really, this goes hand in hand with the dabbing issue we discussed two months ago (see above). Scrooge MacDuck ☎  10:50, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Comments on your Sandboxes
I just wanted to say that your citation template proposal is easily the coolest and most impactful idea I've ever seen proposed on the wiki. I understand it will take significant effort and reformatting to get it working with Template:Infobox Story etc, but I commit myself to doing what I can to facilitate its implementation, if/when it's approved. In the meantime I look forward to watching more of your brainstorming on this topic! – n8 (☎) 16:13, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

Template
Yes, certainly, if you need it to continue your excellent work on new templates. But, of course, don't start using it on pages in the main namespace unless it's been approved and renamed to something less "placeholder"y. Thank you for asking first, anyway! Scrooge MacDuck ☎  18:05, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Connection tree
Hi Bongolium,

I think that your sandbox showing how various series connect is really impressive. I have a suggestion for the Periodic Adventures of Señor 105 section, I think that it would be better to swap out the "Excelis Saga" for the Main Range and then have that part connect to Iris and then The Brenda and Effie Mysteries (series) underneath (as Iris appeared in several Main Range releases and Brenda appeared in The Boy That Time Forgot (audio story)).

Just a suggestion, but I think that you're doing great and I can't wait to see more. RadMatter ☎  11:27, 3 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the encouragement! I have made a small tree at User:RadMatter/Sandbox 1 using your original template to show how most of Paul Magrs/George Mann's series interact. RadMatter ☎  23:07, 3 August 2021 (UTC)


 * I have again expanded my own tree, with help from your own.


 * It would be good if we were able to somehow incorporate the Virgin New Adventures, as they spun off into both the Bernice Summerfield (series) (which contained a part of the Excelis Saga) and Cwej: The Series (which featured an appearance by Iris in Down the Middle). RadMatter ☎  11:47, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Which of the placements on my tree do you disagree with, if you don't mind saying? RadMatter ☎  15:39, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah! I didn't realise that the lines had meaning, I've just seen your key. RadMatter ☎  15:58, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Tree limitations
Bongo, you might be interested in some work I've done at User:NateBumber/Sandbox2 based on your character family trees – I think I've found a pretty good way to represent the ambiguity of Orson Pink's relationship with Danny and Clara, as well as the Doctor's multiple possible parentages – although I've leaned into speculation and invalid sources for that one! Thanks for revitalizing this template, I think we could do really cool things with it. – n8 (☎) 13:11, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the kind words! I've just reorganized the page to more clearly present my two different ideas and their pros and cons. To summarize, one is more rigid and requires extra tiles, and the other is more flexible but would require resurrecting the old-style "VNA: Lungbarrow" prefixes, which were abandoned for a reason.


 * I've given some thought to mobile users, who (despite T:DESK WINS) make up a majority of wiki readers. But I don't think it's an insurmountable obstacle, as long as each tree is just an alternate way of rendering information already available on the page, so mobile readers aren't actually be missing out on any core info. Thinking ahead … well, you know more about templates than I do: would it be possible to modify so it doesn't even try to render the tree in mobile view, or so it adds an indicator that the page should be viewed on desktop? From my naive perspective, this seems more achievable than actually making  work for mobile. – n8 (☎) 16:41, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I definitely hear what you're saying regarding the different versions: a degree of flexibility is definitely necessary, and multiple formats can and should exist and interact, differentiated by their accompanying keys. The fact that even ""serious"" fans don't know the title of every story in each series is definitely why I started using prefixes in the first place (series-less stories just wouldn't get them I guess). I am an remain a superfan of your citation template idea, so incorporating it here seems like it would be a perfect fit.


 * And wow, you found out how to add shapes very quickly! :) Is it possible to The concept in my charts is that dotted lines can be merged / absorbed into filled lines sometimes, so I think the missing squares in my charts rely on a horizontal dashed line being able to turn solid when it meets a vertical solid line. Is that remotely possible? – n8 (☎) 19:54, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, those are perfect! If I may, I'd also suggest ones where the vertical line stops halfway / doesn't continue through to the bottom. I'd do it myself but ... I have no idea how you're doing it! – n8 (☎) 14:10, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Those are perfect, and as you can see in my newly-updated Sandbox2, they make my "Proposal 1" work effectively. Thank you again! – n8 (☎) 13:04, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the notification! I've removed my links to your tree sandbox. I also saw that you mentioned at User:Najawin/Sandbox 5 that you'd like a forum debate about using on more pages. Do you really think the forums would be necessary for that change? I don't think there was ever a debate about using on story pages; someone just started doing it, and it works great. Maybe getting a thumbs up from an admin would be nice, but as I see it, there isn't anything stopping us from just going ahead and sticking them on pages. – n8 (☎) 16:57, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Some of your recent changes and proposals
Hey there! I see you've been pretty busy around here, and we all thank you for your creativity. Coupla pooints, though. We've been striving around here for years to make the CSS increasinlyh simplified. Your recent effortts in Fandomdesktop.css and .js have therefore been deleted. This created a massively confusing situation whereby the less technically-minded amongst our admin staff wouldn't have been able to easily locate many things that should have been easily presented by the Theme Designer. A good example: the background banner. This should only be inserted via ThemeDesigner, and never by CSS. I appreciate that you might have picked up some bad advice about this, and that you meant no harm, but all backgrounds must be applied by TD only.

Additionally, Fandomdesktop.css, despite its name, is best used for helping historical Gamepedia wikis better align with Fandom ones, since those wikis have long had user-manipulatable css and js that works for the mobile skin, and so those wikis can have different styling.

Obviously, it's possible to use Fandomdesktop on a historically Fandom wiki, but we shouldn't be doing that here. See, what happens is that this would split the CSS tree by having two style sheets at the same load level. That immediately doubles the complexity of the code. And if you start putting the same code on both style sheets, then page load times could be impacted -- much less the fact that you then have a harder time finding the declaration you want to change.

So the idea for the basic structure of the pages is to have everything that could impact every single page of the wiki in MediaWiki:Common.css, and then to have several specific sub style pages linking off from that, such as MediaWiki:Infoboxes.css.

Finally, I do wanna stop you on your development path to the automated User:Bongolium500/Sandbox 5. Over the years we've made several such stabs at this, and this thing you've called merely an "issue" is non-trivial:


 * According to MediaWiki's website, this can be confusing for users using a screen reader. Every collapsible is open for a short amount of time while the page loads before closing which, on a larger page using this a lot, would cause the page to jump a lot.

We've taken a pretty firm stance here over the years to keep the site as broadly usable as possible, and we fear that this would create chaos on longer pages for people who rely on a screenreader. So we can't do this.

Additionally there's a potentially Fandom-wide issue with this:
 * For this to work at all, a lot of prior work needs to be done with Semantic MediaWiki annotations. By far the best solution (in terms of future-proofing and best practises) is to update Infobox Story.

Fandom's version of SMW is no longer available to wikis that don't have it enabled -- and for good cause. Calc-intensive operations like this have an impact across the network, so we really can't do this. This is a minor burden -- typing out the abbreviations for media types -- and we've been doing it fine for years. It's really not worth the expense or load on the whole of SMW across the network.

And finally, we won't be using tooltips around here. While other older wikis, typically covering games, have widespread use of toolips, they aren't trying to install them in 2021 where mobile usage is wwwwaaayyyy higher than it was back in the day. So when you note, correctly, that [tooltips do] not work at all on mobile" -- you're really saying we can't use them at all.

Thanks again for all your work. I hope this doesn't discourage you from contributing other ideas. And I'm really sorry I was out on extended medical leave over the whole summer so that I could have saved you some time. 23:23: Sun 31 Oct 2021

Re: Template test
It would be best if you kept an inuse tag on the pages while you're testing the template on them, until it is certain that what you're trying out does work with no unforeseen side-effects. But with that caveat, unless another admin with more coding knowledge than I has an objection, go ahead! Thank you for asking first. Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 19:55, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Hm, yes, I think that would do it! Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 21:00, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Why not! Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 19:53, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Alright! Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 11:43, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, if you're sure they won't cause issues. Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 15:50, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

User questions
Hi please note that, while you can always answer user questions, please do not present yourself as an experienced editor to whom other users can come for questions. First, you've been here less than a year, and we do have a lot of more experienced editors. Second, it's always better to direct new or inexperienced users to the admins who are more familiar with policy than most of the other users. Thanks Shambala108 ☎  02:59, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Infobox inquiry
Hey there Bongo, hope you're doing well! I'm again trying to learn how templates work and again running into problems before I even begin, so I figured I'd check if it would only take you three minutes and I could avoid the trouble. The idea should be pretty simple: a sandbox version of with "prev" and "next" variables so that, for instance, the Fourth Doctor infobox links to Third Doctor and Fifth Doctor. Feel free to tell me to buzz off, but is this the sort of quick project you'd be willing to tackle? – n8 (☎) 17:09, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Phenomenal: thank you for the speedy assistance! It looks perfect. And I'm doing well, thank you for asking :) – n8 (☎) 14:25, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Terraqueous Distributor annuals
Hi Bomgolium500,

My name is Mark and I am the editor of the Terraqueous Distributor annuals. Please forgive me not being able to find this function sooner, I have aspergers, so some thinga take me a little longer to work out.

Anyway on the subject if the Dr Who annuals, Terraqueous have become very popular and have featured in magazines such as the official Doctor Who magazine, Starburst, and next months Celestial Toyroom magazine published by DWAS.

We also have official elements in our annuals, the 1997 annual has Stacy And Ssard as the resident companions from the 1996 Radio Times strips.

WTHe 1987 annual officailly featured Sil, 1989 officially featured Mags.

On one communication you mentioned "At the most, it should probably just receive a small note at the bottom of the page."

So as it was onnly a small piece of tect, the last I placed it at the bottom.

Would this be ok, can we come to some kind of compromise.

If you would like to talk further my email is: doctorwhoannual@aol.co.uk

kind regards Mark :-)


 * Hi. Have you seen my reply on your talk page? Generally, editors reply to talk page messages on the other person's talk page. Bongo50 (aka Bongolium500) ☎  20:20, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

have i upset you
Hi Bomgolium500,

If I have upset you, it was not my intention and I am sorry.

MArk :)


 * Hi Mark. You have not upset me at all! If I'm being completely honest, I would quite like the Terraqueous Distributor annuals to be covered here. However, that can only happen if they fall within policy. Generally, people respond to talk page messages on the other person's talk page. However, I feel that you will have a better chance of seeing this message if I place it here. I saw that you provided your email but it is generally better to keep discussions like this on-wiki so that they can be cited in future discussions if needed. It is absolutely vital that you do not remove any of your previous talk page messages. This is why Shambala108 has reverted quite a number of your edits. Please just add any new messages below the original, ideally indented once from the previous message (like this one is). Both me and Scrooge MacDuck left a reply to your original message on your talk page. Have you seen these messages? If not, here is a summary:
 * As per Tardis:Don't wikify your own material, if you are the editor of these annuals, you shouldn't have added information about them to the wiki.
 * Similarly, we are unable to take your word that the annuals contain licensed elements. Do you have some form of external confirmation that you could provide? A Tweet (or similar) from the license holders would probably suffice (I think).
 * Do the licensed elements appear in stories with unlicensed elements? If there are stories featuring only licensed characters and we are able to verify that, those stories would probably be worthy of full coverage.
 * Which issue(s) of Doctor Who Magazine have the annuals been featured in?
 * When you're able, please leave your response under this message, indented twice. Again, I would like to reiterate that I you have not upset me in the slightest. While you have made a few mistakes, these are completely understandable for a new editor to make. Bongo50 (aka Bongolium500) ☎  18:10, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

Continuity
Relevant standards are hardly well formalised, so I don't presently feel a compulsion to hash out better guidelines on any particular talk page, never mind make the undertaking necessary to see such made concrete; all the same, asserting your lack of clarity as justification for an intervention and ensuring your finality before "suggesting" a dialogue is a desperately poor definition of good faith policy enforcement. If you are interested in exploring the relevant aporiae, you are welcome to initiate discussion. 106.68.45.20talk to me 02:43, 30 March 2022 (UTC)


 * I'm going to be completely honest and state that I do not understand your reasoning for removing the point. Tardis:Format for audio stories states that continuity is "tie-ins between this audio story and other stories". The way I see it, that is exactly what the contested point is: it is Big Finish tying one of their stories into another by way of a minor reference. I do not see what chronology has to do with it. Bongo50   ☎  16:46, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Crew template for BBC Wales behind-the-scenes programmes
Hi Bongolium500, over the past two-ish years I've been adding the crew to all the episodes of Doctor Who Confidential, Totally Doctor Who, Torchwood Declassified, & Doctor Who Greatest Moments.

I was thinking that really, they should all have a crew template like all the other Wales-era shows, perhaps calling it something like WalesBTS. However I'm not well versed in SMW stuff and wouldn't know where to start making one.

Would it be possible for you to give me some pointers?

Thanks Doc77can ☎  21:22, 23 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Cool, thanks for the reply. I've got a list of all the credited roles already, I put it paste it here if you like. I'll need to double check a few though.

Doc77can ☎  21:57, 23 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi, I think this is every credit used across the shows (bar some of the awkward credits on Music and Monsters (CON episode)). They are in alphabetical order and the numbers are maximum number of people credited on a single episode.


 * Additional Music - 1
 * Additional Archive - 1
 * Additional Directing - 1
 * Additional Editing - 2
 * Animation - 1
 * Animation Cast - 5
 * Artist Contracts - 1
 * Assistant Producer(s) - 4
 * Aston Operator - 1
 * Camera - 13
 * Camera Assistant - 1
 * Camera Supervisor - 1
 * Colourist - 2
 * Copyright Contracts - 1
 * Countdown Graphics - 1
 * Cyfle Trainee - 1
 * Directed by - 1
 * Director - 1
 * Doctor Who Confidential Production Team - 19
 * Dubbing - 2
 * Dubbing Mixer - 1
 * DV Director - 1
 * Edit Assistant - 2
 * Edit Producer & Additional Editing - 1
 * Edit Producer(s) - 2
 * Editor(s) - 6
 * Executive Producer - 1
 * Executive Producer for Dr Who at the Proms - 1
 * Executive Producer for BBC Music - 1
 * Executive Producer(s) for CBBC - 2
 * Executive Producers for Dr Who - 4
 * Executive Producers for Torchwood - 2
 * Floor Manager - 1
 * Graphic Design - 1
 * Graphics - 2
 * Insert Director(s) - 4
 * Insert Editor(s) - 6
 * Junior Researcher - 1
 * Lighting Director - 1
 * Location Camera(s) - 4
 * Location Director - 1
 * Location Sound - 4
 * Make Up - 2
 * Narrated by - 1
 * New Media Producer - 1
 * Off Line Editors - 2
 * Offline Editor(s) - 4
 * On Line Editor - 1
 * Online Editor - 2
 * Original Music - 1
 * Post Production Co-ordinator - 1
 * Presented by - 2
 * Produced & Directed by - 1
 * Produced by - 2
 * Producer & Editor - 1
 * Producer and Director - 1
 * Producer/Director - 1
 * Producer(s) - 2
 * Production Accountant - 1
 * Production Co-ordinator(s) - 2
 * Production Executive - 1
 * Production Manager(s) - 2
 * Production Runner(s) - 2
 * Production Secretary - 1
 * Production Team - 3
 * Production Team Assistant(s) - 3
 * Programme Editor - 1
 * Props Assistant(s) - 2
 * Researcher(s) - 5
 * Runner(s) - 5
 * Script Supervisor - 1
 * Senior Interactive Producer - 1
 * Senior Producer - 1
 * Senior Production Co-ordinator - 1
 * Series Producer - 1
 * Set Design - 1
 * Sound - 12
 * Sound Supervisor - 1
 * Space Images - 1
 * Studio Cameras - 4
 * Studio Director(s) - 2
 * Studio Sound - 3
 * Team Assistant - 1
 * Technical Project Manager - 1
 * Thanks to - 2
 * The Eleventh Doctor arriving Spring 2010
 * Title Music - 1
 * Title Music Arrangement - 2
 * Titles & Graphics - 1
 * Titles Music - 1
 * Titles - 1
 * Underwater Camera Assistant - 1
 * Underwater Camera Operator - 1
 * Vision Mixer - 1
 * VT Director(s) - 2
 * VT Editors - 3

Hope this makes stuff easier. I'm unsure whether these bits on the credits should go into the template or not. Doc77can ☎  01:41, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
 * © MMV / © MMVI / © MMVII / © BBC MMVIII / © BBC MMIX / © MMX / © MMXI
 * CBBC
 * BBC Wales / a BBC Wales production for BBC THREE / BBC Cymru Wales


 * Sorry for the late reply, the answer to your question is no, not really; as the format of the credits differs between episodes (let alone series), especially on episodes where a crew member is credited for multiple roles. There's not really distinct groups the credits could be put into like the on the . My thinking for the template format was for a simple bullet point list but with the SMW properties, I don't know if you were thinking on similar lines.
 * Doc77can ☎  23:20, 27 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi, sorry for not replying straight away; first I just wanna say that the template looks great and thanks for putting in all that hard work. Looking at it on the example pages you've done, the issues I've noticed are:
 * I think it needs a -style top section for the "heavy hitters", seeing the Execs/Producers/Directors listed with the General production staff just looks odd.
 * The variables "Sound" and "Location Sound" should re-direct to Sound recordist.
 * The variable "Location Cameras" should re-direct to Camera operator.
 * Doc77can ☎  13:35, 22 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi, Bongo50, I haven't been online for a bit, so I've only just got your message. First of all, congrats on your work with Template:BTS crew ‎& Module:Crew, all that SMW stuff goes way over my head. Secondly looking at it on the test pages, it looks great. The only minor errors I can see are -
 * The variable "Camera" should be used for both single & plural situations.
 * The variable "Artist Contracts" should be in the "General production staff" column not the "Art department" column; as the Artist part refers to the interviewees - actors, directors, producer etc.
 * The variable "Assistant Producer" needs the plural "Assistant Producers".
 * The variable "Series Producer" should be in the top "heavy hitters" section; as its a senior position to a Producer; see Marcus Wilson's credit on TV: Closing Time (TV story).
 * And again, thank you for all your hard work.
 * Doc77can ☎  15:00, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Move
Hey, you're right. I was just about to undo my edit. For some reason I cannot move the page myself (although I can move a lot of other pages?) so thought it might have had something to do with the redirect. I removed the redirect but still couldn't move the page. DrWHOCorrieFan ☎  16:53, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I believe the rule about non-admins moving pages has been postponed for the time being due to lack of forums. See; User:NateBumber's comment on User:Jack "BtR" Saxon's talkpage. DrWHOCorrieFan ☎  17:10, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

Other people's user pages
Hi, while I appreciate that your intention was good, it is against our vandalism policy for users to edit other users' pages, whether sandbox or other. If you see something that needs to be changed on someone's page, please ask an admin thanks. Shambala108 ☎  17:35, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

Counterparts template
Hi. You may have noticed some counterpart templates popping up on pages (such as London and Amy Pond) over the last few months. These display parallel or alternate counterparts of individuals, places, organisations, and in a few cases, species. There are currently a number of individual templates for each character/place etc. but I'm looking at creating a general-purpose template which can be used across all pages to save both time and space in the long run. I was pointed your way by User:NateBumber as apparently you're quite good with template coding. I'm thinking something broadly similar to Template:Looks like which can be used across multiple pages, but which can contain the information found on current counterpart templates, such as Template:London counterparts and Template:Rose Tyler counterparts etc. Let me know if this is something you would be able to help with. Thanks. 66 Seconds ☎  14:58, 22 June 2022 (UTC)


 * That would be great, thanks. We're thinking of just calling it Template:Counterparts. The current ones say "parallel counterparts of [subject]", but it would probably be better if the general one was headed "alternate counterparts of [subject]" - that way it's suitable for both alternate timelines and parallel universes. Basically, just have a go at it and see what you can create. Any questions give me a shout. 66 Seconds ☎  07:43, 23 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks so much for doing the template! Great work and very fast! I wouldn't have known where to start with that one. I'll start replacing the old templates with the new design. 66 Seconds ☎  22:52, 25 June 2022 (UTC)


 * I've just tested it on both the Twelfth Doctor and Twelfth Doctor (Shadow World) pages, but there seems to be an issue with it. The display name and the syntax 1/d1 appear to work, but appears to mess up the infobox above in preview mode and glitches when I try to save. Further syntaxes (2/d2, 3/d3 etc.) don't show up, so I'm left with just "Alternate counterparts of Twelfth Doctor: The Doctor's universe" and unable to add anything further. I also tried the premade example on Template:Counterparts, but that seems to have the same issue. Hope that makes sense. Wondering if you have any ideas or can take a look? Thanks! 66 Seconds ☎  23:39, 25 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi. Thanks for your reply. I've switched to the 2010 editor and it's working now. Just updated Rose Tyler with the new template. I'll continue updating the others. Thanks again for all your help with the new template! 66 Seconds ☎  07:51, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

SMW
I'm loving your SMW Guide, Help:Semantic MediaWiki is now non-existent and the actual website has a somewhat steep learning curve. I'm curious, can I add SMW tags that end users can't see? For instance, if I wanted to say that Cobweb and Ivory had a tag TheEnemy::Cernunnos that I could query later, distinct from the infobox Enemy field.

Also, you might not be aware, but Eragon has a few Doctor Who references as well, and obviously Transformers robots in disguise has the | largest fictional universe. :> Najawin ☎  08:49, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Quite a few! The most obvious is Angela knitting a hat that says "Raxacori-", but there's a whole page on the Eragon wiki. You've seen our Cultural references to the Doctor Who universe pages, I assume? (And it absolutely does not have a film adaptation. Never happened.) Najawin ☎  18:28, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

Re: BotW template
Yes, feel free! Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 21:06, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

SMW user rights
Hey, so, I dunno if this will work/be useful for you, but I noticed in Special:ListGroupRights there are a bunch of SMW roles that exist that only User:CzechOut actually has access to. I don't know if anyone's ever applied for them, and I don't know if they'll be helpful for you. But I was looking at the different rights (b/c I saw Tangerine did an edit on his user page and then went to his page and was curious about the difference between admin and bureaucrat, but w/e) and thought of you. Najawin ☎  07:21, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Re: Guestbook
Over on Community Central, many users have guestbooks, so I decided to have one on this Wiki. Although on Community Central, there are more varied signatures... (Oh and I am replying here rather than over on Discord as I want to test out my latest signature on a talk page.) 21:31, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

🥳 New template 🎉
Hey there, I'm trying to build a new template and was wondering if you'd kindly take a look! Right now I'm calling it, and its functionality is … very cobbled together. Here's how it would work in a dream world: Any bump you can give in the direction of that ideal, or any pointers you can give me for where I can learn to do it myself, would be hugely appreciated. If it ever gets annoying being the resident code wizard, btw, please feel free to point me to whatever documentation/etc you used to learn, and I'll do my best on my own. I feel a little twinge of guilt every time I hit you with a help request like this, since it seems I get so few opportunities to help you out in return! – n8 (☎) 21:49, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * 1) It detects if it's on a subpage, and if it is, it modifies the output by (a) adding an extra sentence and (b) linking to the base page instead of the current page (ie Ace instead of Ace/Invalid sources). I believe I have the barest framework for this set up already; thanks to your lovely, it might actually be fully implemented? Not sure.
 * 2) The default variable is a wiki-formatted list of sources. So someone can write "Death Comes to Time" or they can write ",, and ", and it'll render properly.
 * 3) Less importantly, it should allow manual override of the "name" variable, so you can use   to link to a totally different page. Don't really have a use case for this in mind, but I feel like it would be good to have.
 * 4) Most importantly, when people hit "edit" on the templatep age, it's gotta be cool black-and-white code-text, like when you hit "Edit" on . I'd like this for feeling like a cool hacker syntax higlighting purposes.


 * Thanks for the help and the detailed explanation! Your explanation of how fields are called is particularly appreciated, as is the "magic words" page; I'll get over my crushing disappointment about the code editor :")


 * Regarding #2, I was thinking the editor should provide a simple pre-linked/formatted list, since it will vary whether they want links to pages on Tardis, links to Wikipedia or other wikis, or no links at all. There's a sample implementation on T:SUBPAGE: . To test my understanding of what you wrote, I tried implementing a call to , but I can't quite figure out how to format it nicely in the context of the sentence: is something like  possible?


 * That aside, I think it's looking pretty good – with the exception of the fact that the message is outgrowing the bounds of the input box by a fair bit! – n8 (☎) 14:10, 19 October 2022 (UTC)


 * What a simple and elegant fix! Thank you, and thank you for taking a look tomorrow or whenever you get around to it :) – n8 (☎) 18:20, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Twitter
You're running the twitter account, right? Given the news today, this page might be topical. Najawin ☎  20:08, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
 * That's the one. People are already making Doctor Who/Marvel crossover jokes. Najawin ☎  22:22, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Pleasant dreams. Najawin ☎  22:34, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Weird wiki list comprehension thing
Hey, I remembered this old discussions post from a while ago and was wondering if you knew of a way to make the project being discussed feasible. (Though we'd have to have a thread about it still.) I don't know anywhere near enough about wiki backend to know if the process can be easily automated and figured you might. My guess is that SMW is probably strong enough, but there might be some nuances to the issue that would make it a headache. Hence the question. Najawin ☎  07:38, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

Admin - Welcome!
Welcome to being an admin! Following your nomination on the Tardis:User rights nominations page and a rather long wait for someone to action this (apologies for that, while I might not edit as frequently as I once did, I try to pop in and 'check my messages'). You can add your name to the Tardis:Administrators and carry the mop and bucket that is the admin thing to carry happily. Sorry it's been a while since I welcomed an admin. --Tangerineduel / talk 13:17, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Deletion of Naomi and Harry Nemesis 1.jpg
Hi, there. Yeah, it's a duplicate of File:Harry and Naomi.jpg. Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon ☎  23:27, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Feedback page
Hi Bongo! Would you give me permission to edit User:Bongolium500/cite source/reader feedback a bit? I'd love to share it on my socials, but there are a few tweaks I'd like to make first. In particular, I'm hoping we can show the examples in a way that would also show how it moves text around the page, since if that's too disruptive, that would be the main existential threat to this format IMO. I thought about just doing it in my own userspace, but I thought it would be best to keep things consolidated. No hard feelings if you think my edits are rubbish and decide to revert them, of course; and I won't touch "My aims and reasoning", since those are your aims and your reasoning :) Let me know! – n8 (☎) 17:08, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

"The wide and varied DWU"
Hey Bongo, I've recently noticed that, frankly, epic image on your main profile that links the DWU to all those other universes; I love this kind of stuff because I love the whole concept of fictional multiverses. What I want to know if you have any kind of documentation that details exactly how all of these universes are connected. Don't worry it you don't: writing up such a thing would be a gigantic ask, but if you happen to have one knocking around… WaltK ☎  17:26, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Vandalism + Lock page
Hey, AUDIO keeps being vandalized, and it's supposed to be locked. (Not sure why it's not, but it's supposed to be.) The IP address doing this should be blocked as well, the person has been doing similar stuff to other articles over the span of months and we have to keep reverting the changes and asking admins to protect pages as a result. Cheers. Najawin ☎  09:12, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
 * For some reason DWAN is also unprotected. I'm not sure how those two particular prefix pages became unlocked. But they seem to be the only ones. Najawin ☎  12:01, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

Vandal
Hi there is a user 92.11.61.155 who is constantly vandalizing pages Valeyard12.5 ☎  10:33, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

Omnipotence
Hello I was wondering if you could answer something for me, are the timelords considered omnipotent in the whoverse and if not are there any being considered more powerful than them?Freddy1428 ☎  13:05, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice I think I will open a discussion. Do I need to ask people to join or do they just show up on the discussion?Freddy1428 ☎  09:45, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Epsilon
Hi, Bongolium. I'm messaging you because you're the most recently active admin and wonder if you could help. User:Epsilon the Eternal keeps reverting File:Rafe Wallbank.jpg because he disagrees with current policy and has accused me of acting only to prove a point (when I have no point to prove, having no issue with current policy) and made a number of unkind, presumptive and arguable ableist remarks including:


 * "Learn photography composition plz"
 * "and do you have eyes? Why do you like weird ass croppings that look like the contents of an early 2000s fangirl website for David Tennant?"
 * "You're doing malicious compliance, which part of the spirit of T:POINT even if it isn't specified"
 * "You care more about complying with the policy than actually caring about what the policy is supposed to be instructing us upon."
 * "I didn't know you're blind. My condolences."
 * "here's the number for the NHS to speak to about your blindness: 0300 311 22 33"
 * "Please, your blindness is getting really bad"
 * "A square image doesn't break any policies, but then, you wouldn't know that as you're blind"

I have attempted to engage him in conversation on his talk page, but he seems to prefer to communicate via edit summaries. I'd consider his edits to be in violation of T:ICC and T:BOUND but, more importantly, in breach of assuming good faith and T:NPA. - Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon ☎  14:25, 21 February 2023 (UTC)


 * I must express my own outrage that only one user got in trouble for this. While I am aware that Epsilon went further and delved into personal attacks, it was a case of pure edit warring on both sides (with Jack Saxon reverting up to 14 times!) so to see one party not even be warned about their involvement (unless I am missing something) is extremely frustrating. It appears some users get away with far greater than others. DrWHOCorrieFan ☎  22:17, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see. That's ridiculous and should be changed in my opinion. Allowing those types of edit wars can just lead to extremely petty instances like this one which only causes disruption. DrWHOCorrieFan ☎  22:29, 21 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi, Bongolium. I understand that there are set periods for users to be blocked, but I wonder if you have any leeway. As the subject of Epsilon's personal attacks, I'd like to ask for clemency and if his block might be shortened, but I understand if that's not possible. Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon ☎  16:19, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Lawrence Miles on Youtube
It's real! He mentioned in October that he was interested in starting a Youtube channel but would need to buy a camera first. And he has a camera now, so that's one step forward! – n8 (☎) 15:16, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * In general, everything I say is a joke, be it pejorative or humorous. But as Nate stated, this is legit. The Foreign Office is terribly pleased! It's just like old times! Najawin ☎  18:02, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Re:Custom namespace
Ahhh, just saw this.

That's not the issue. The issue is I was trying to figure out if there was a way to have a set of users with perms that could edit the namespace aside from the admins, and from what I can tell it would require active monitoring at the FANDOM level, unless we attached those perms to an already existing role and handed that out. But that would then require us to choose a role to give to these users, which opens up a different can of worms. Najawin ☎  05:19, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Maybe we could ask FANDOM to add it to "Editors (Semantic MediaWiki)", since that role seems to be effectively harmless and used by nobody, but I'm not sure who can grant that role. Nobody has it, not even Czech. Special:ListGroupRights is primarily FANDOM wide, but there are at least three that this wiki can use that we just refuse to use. The problem is that they all grant perms that we might not want to give to people. The SMW ones are probably harmless to the vast majority of people, but I'm not sure if they can be granted at the wiki level. Najawin ☎  09:57, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

WikiChron
Dear lord, the tool just is close to collapsing under the weight now, isn't it? I've been sitting here for like 20 minutes and it's just a slog. I hope to see some interesting stuff, so thank you for that! But I almost feel bad for the owners of the project, they clearly didn't expect for a wiki as big as ours to be added. Najawin ☎  22:44, 20 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Alright, working now. Hmmmm. Interesting stuff to play with. Currently going through what we might call the "middle period" of the wiki based on current history, and it's very Iron Law-y, though early on much less so. Najawin ☎  23:10, 20 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Hmmm. Did you try to get around the bug that was mentioned in the documentation? Because I think the data is only like 6% of our actual wiki. Still interesting to analyze! (And absolutely no criticism here!) I was just really confused by some of the numbers it was giving me. Najawin ☎  04:01, 21 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Good luck! The poor website. Even the 1gb version was interesting though! If anyone besides the three of us are interested it might be worth contacting the site manager. He's still been publishing papers on the subject, so he might be interested in going deep rather than wide, if we let him play around with our data or even change our policies for studies. But we'd have to get a lot of buy in from other users. Najawin ☎  08:04, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Dr. Who? Question help
Hey, sorry to bother you. I have a topic suggestion in in T:TF about an old infamous deleted page of ours, The "Doctor Who?" running joke. The topic is about seeking to have the page restored.

I might write an OP soon, but I have a problem as I can't access the content of the page. So I was hoping an admin could "Restore" the contents over to User:OttselSpy25/SANDBOX Dr. Who? joke. Thanks! OS25🤙☎️ 23:03, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

New stub image
Not completely thrilled with it, not entirely sure the font is right, and the word is so big that the size isn't ideal, but I had an attempt at what you asked for in Tardis:Temporary forums/Archive/Dab terms for unproduced stories. See File:UnprodTab.png. Najawin ☎  01:52, 8 April 2023 (UTC)


 * I happened to see this as I was passing by, and I took my own crack at it. See File:Unproduced Tag.jpg and File:Unreleased tag.jpg. OS25🤙☎️ 03:33, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

Bot
Have you glanced at User talk:Sulfur? It has a lot of conversation between Czech and Sulfur about setting up the original bot for this wiki. Not sure how outdated it is. Najawin ☎  21:40, 8 April 2023 (UTC)


 * That's probably a better place to go. I unfortunately I don't know the process for a bot creation, beyond that if you want it to be able to do admin-level things that'll need to be applied to it.
 * Also SOTO also has the User:SV7 bot, they may also be able to assist in your bot creation. --Tangerineduel / talk 14:58, 9 April 2023 (UTC)


 * No, there isn't any procedure. Create the account, and then point me towards it, I'll implement the changes you need. --Tangerineduel / talk 14:28, 10 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Just went to change yours and your bot's user rights and realised I was mistaken above regarding the user rights management / bot creation, so I'd like to apologise on that front. I checked back through the history of user rights for bots and I indeed made an error, the higher ups need to make the bot change and did so for CzechOut and SOTO's bots. And then I'd need to change it to admin.
 * It seems to create bots, and I also expect adding you as an administrator for the samantic wiki, you need to contact Fandom Support (info here). --Tangerineduel / talk 06:11, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I can certainly help with setting things up. Just came me here to note that we generally (read: the only time it's been relevant) do a probationary period first, before bestowing adminship. This is to make sure the user is comfortable enough with running it not to accidentally cause any damage.


 * For future reference, this can probably be waived in the case that the user in question has prior PWB experience on other wikis. 07:32, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

The megeve Experiment and doctor at sea
These films were both made by Reeltime productions, but I don't know why this is a problem because things such as 'Downtime' are on the wiki fandom. Additionally, I have bought the film, watched the film, and there is a section towards the end where Sophie Aldred and Deborah Watling are in character, Victoria and Ace, in a 6 minute sketch called 'Crossed Lines'. This is where they meet and talk about defeating the Yeti. Again this should not be a problem, because Deborah Watling and Frazer Hines were in 'Emperor of the Daleks' which again is on the wiki fandom. So yes, Victoria Waterfield does appear in The Megeve Experiment. (The Megeve Experiment is a documentary that follows them making the film which they show in full towards the end). If there was a problem with the layout of the page, then instead of saying there is, maybe you could change it, seeing as I'm the only one who has edited a page of The Megeve Experiment since its release 20 years ago. My third point, is on my bio. What problem does that have? I made an account a few years ago where I was an avid editor of the wiki fandom. One day I could not access this and found it completely gone from everything. So I made a new one and put that in my bio. I do not know why this is a problem. So instead of getting so busy, maybe do some better research next time and actually watch the film before you comment like you know everything about others who have actually watched the film.

Vandalism
If you're around, can you lock Leo Tang? Rampant vandalism. Najawin ☎  21:54, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Forums
Hey hey! Chris tells me you've been working with SOTO to restore the Forums. Since the regular Forums have now been reopened, this might alter your plans to create a whole new namespafce. I've befriended you on Discord in the hopes that we might have a quick chat over the next few days. See you there! 02:59: Thu 11 May 2023

Unavailable videos?
Hi, I was just flicking through some TV story pages and noticed all the videos that were in infoboxes (under 'memorable moments' etc) on the side have suddenly vanished or are no longer available. "This item is no longer available, but now that you're here, explore the Tardis!" Has something gone wibbly? — Fractal Doctor @  15:40, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

When you've the time
Talk:Series 14 (Doctor Who) could use some admin attention. The user involved has made it very clear that they're uninterested in discussing the issue and went right back to editing the page without trying to resolve the disagreement. I tried to resolve this with them.
 * I've had my discussion, I've said my piece and stated the very definition of assumptions and logic, it's on you if you don't like it.

How you deal with it is your own choice, but they've explicitly said that they're going to keep doing this each time that the page stops being protected. Najawin ☎  03:47, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Idea floating - status?
Hello.

I work with a friend in writing a series that ties in with the franchise. The main characters are the contemporary (present-day) children/grandchildren of various past companions, some of whom we've seen already (Sarah Jane Smith's children and their three friends (and supercomputer and robot dog), Jo Grant/Jones' oldest grandson Santiago (and her OC estranged youngest son Logan), Harry Sullivan's grandson Harry III) and some of whom are new to this (Mike Bates' OC grandchildren twins Alex (m) and Rachel, etc.)

Can I ask: if yours truly was to put posts up here asking around as to who fans would like to see represented (OC names, personalities, special skills, etc.), would that be breaking the rules of the site?

Many thanks,

Kevin &#39;Chalky&#39; Kaiba ☎  19:58, 8 June 2023 (UTC)