User talk:Scrooge MacDuck

When you have time.
Obviously the preferred state of affairs is an inclusion debate, but could you make a preliminary ruling on Doctor Who Comes to MINECRAFT! (webcast) being valid or invalid? There seems to be some disagreement whether we should prima facie regard this as a trailer or not. Najawin ☎  20:53, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Sandbox
So the charity stuff was going to more be directed at validity, since, as you stated, we do cover some BBC charity work. But to my knowledge Adventures in Lockdown has some of the first valid charity works, if not the first. As for Time, fair play if there's upcoming stuff there, but my concern was more that there are other personifications of time that occasionally use the name Time that aren't merged with that page. Hence by that standard we should either be splitting the page or merging it with, say, Father of Time. Obviously that's subject to change if new details manifest, and given that we're one month shy of two years without forums, I'm sure that it'll be resolved before we get the forums back. Najawin ☎  16:14, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Also, when you have the time, I'd appreciate input at Talk:You Are The Absurd Hero (short story), since I assume you've read it. Najawin ☎  03:09, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh, Socrates, you. I'm not sure it does, it says "the likes of AUDIO: Flip-Flop", and specifically references the "choose your own adventure" style. That's not the only nonlinear style of storytelling though. And this is why I think a thread is needed, because the limits of this were never really hashed out, this happened when the forums were down. Najawin ☎  18:14, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Another sandbox thing, when you have the time and inclination, we all sort of read T:BOUND as saying "don't make large changes to multiple pages/the wiki as a whole without talking about it - tacit approval/active editing from editors/admins itself constitutes some degree of policy" (see, for instance, User talk:Shambala108 and Talk:Hugh Grant). I've listed this as something that I might want to start a thread on, but, honestly, I'm not sure a thread is needed, it might be something that could just be written into T:BOUND without any discussion, since it does seem to be how everyone seems to interpret that rule afaik. Obviously you'd know best, but I figured I'd bring the issue up. Cheers. Najawin ☎  08:15, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

The Spiral Politic Database
So, fun topic here, The Spiral Politic Database has some subsections here that are redlinked. I'm more than willing to write up treatments of them, but I have a question or two. Crimes Against History and A Tour of the Capital have details on publishing dates and authors. I, uh, can't find that for the redlinked stories. (Well, I don't even think the stories in question are particularly narrative, but I digress.) (Also, I guess the page for TSPD would imply that they were all uploaded on 14 September 2002, but this doesn't help with the authors, and it's also not sourced. The Wayback machine isn't fine-grained enough to prove this.) I asked Nate if he knew, and if someone can scrounge up an answer that's great, but, in all honesty, given the nature of this, (a web article from 20 years ago that probably a few hundred people max even read at the time) I'm skeptical. Given that, should I make the pages sans publication dates/author fields? That's, uh, interesting precedent if it's the first time we've done that. Najawin ☎  06:47, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

BBV scripts
Honestly, I'm thinking about breaking down and making an AO3 or something. But I don't plan on doing the BBV stuff until after User:Najawin/Sandbox 2 is dealt with, so don't worry about it for now. Najawin ☎  22:32, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Subpages proposal
Hi Scrooge, I've recently put the finishing coat of polish on User:NateBumber/Sandbox/1, T:SUBPAGE for short. It's, uhh, it's not short, but it's thorough, and I've also spelled out why I think it could be accomplished without waiting for the forums. If you get the chance to look it over and let me know what you think, I'd really appreciate it! – n8 (☎) 17:34, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Some small issues when you're free
Hey. User:Shambala108's been less active recently, so I figured I'd reach out to you about an issue I left on her talk page. Could you read through Talk:Origins (comic story) when you have the chance and comment as to the precedent? There's some disagreement between a newer user with Epsilon and myself. Similarly, if you could talk to User:Sum41Champ at some point about their edits that would be lovely. I honestly don't know how to handle this whole situation, I don't think someone actively trying to engage should be blocked, but they constantly do things that Shambala has told them not to do (and that Nate and I have advised them are a bad idea), leading me to basically just read all of their edits to make sure they're not breaking anything. Najawin ☎  06:23, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Crikeytown
You've read The Crikeytown Cancellations, right? Would you say that the minor instances in panels 60 and 61 constitute additions to Obverse Books? This is a really weird story to deal with as far as wiki policy is concerned. Najawin ☎  06:54, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * It's just the whole varying levels of fiction thing is something the wiki has never had super duper clear policies on. Thanks, I'll make a note. Najawin ☎  08:19, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * So I'm unaware of the An Ordinary Man situation, and it seems that this is in the archived forums. Can't comment on that. As for Legacies... Well... That's a messy issue. Regardless, you're probably right that
 * They say that UK copyright law does not consider references in fiction to someone else's IP to be a breach of copyright.
 * does establish the precedent, though it seems from some quick googling that UK copyright law seems to think this because UK copyright law for fictional characters is largely unwritten. So it may be that this will change in the future. But looks like you're right for now. Najawin ☎  07:56, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * So, minor detail. For Paddy Whack and Bossy Boots, I'd prefer to give them the Dunfunnin individuals category, rather than the Crikeytown individuals one. Not a huge deal, can change if need be. The issue is that to do so, rule of 3 says I need three things to make a category, and I'd rather not make a page for Gunga Din 2000. Just a bad look. So would you suggest I ignore the rule of 3 or just stick them in the Crikeytown individuals category? Najawin ☎  03:36, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Someone went ahead and made the page, blatantly plagiarizing my work. Moot point now I guess. Just an area I'm a little uncomfortable with. Najawin ☎  18:06, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Discussions AbuseFilter
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Question about User Sandboxes/Subpages
So I just had a thought. And I figured I would ask an admin. I did a careful reading of T:NO FANFIC, T:NOT HOST, T:USER BAD, T:USER FANFIC, and even Forum:Charity anthology short stories. There's no explicit forbiddance of a user creating a sandbox to talk about a charity story, or a story that's supposed to be set in the DWU but rights issues fell through. The only thing that could be read that way is
 * but which have nothing to do with the DWU

In T:USER BAD, but these things do have to do with the DWU in a broad sense, and the narrow sense given in the linked article also means we shouldn't talk about invalid sources in sandboxes. Which is obviously not policy. Now this is me just spitballing here, hence why I'm asking an admin if it's kosher, or if it's something that we should probably have a thread about, or something that's just going to be fundamentally nixed because "we don't cover those" - even though this is a separate namespace. Najawin ☎  01:15, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I was actually thinking Force Majeure at some point. Or perhaps The Other Side of the World. (I was also thinking that it would be a potential solution in some far off future if we ever revisit the problem of Charity publication. Splitting wikis tends to shrink editor base, so it seemed like a potential "compromise".) Najawin ☎  07:52, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Vandal
Hi there’s a vandal 180.194.22.76 who keeps vandalising the Many Lives of Doctor Who page as well as others Valeyard12.5 ☎  22:37, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Vandal
Hi there is a user whose vandalising Dinosaurs on a Spaceship. He appears to be a repeat offender and sock puppet Valeyard12.5 ☎  15:54, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Hey Scrooge,

I saw you added some of The Train in Vain and the Junkmail Messiah (comic story) images last year, do you happen to know how to get a copy? I can't find it anywhere. DrWHOCorrieFan ☎  22:14, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
 * You're awesome thank you! Don't suppose you know how to find a copy of the Miranda comic too? DrWHOCorrieFan ☎  22:18, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Again, thank you so much! Has that only just been made available? I've searched for it on those sites before not long ago. DrWHOCorrieFan ☎  22:33, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Could you please add Chinese interlanguage link to Main Page
Hello,

We have established Chinese Doctor Who Wiki. Could you please add Chinese interlanguage link to Main Page? Thank you for any help you can offer!

-LittlePaw365 ☎  15:31, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your reply! I looked into your Main Page's source code, and I think  would be okay. The full link should be   if necessary. LittlePaw365  ☎  16:31, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
 * It works now! Again, thank you for all your help! LittlePaw365 ☎  16:57, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Tellymustard
Could you please have a word with User:Tellymustard. They've recently been moving stories on the timeline pages based solely on release order and episodes productions, which have been causing more harm than good. Their recent edit of moving Midnight to before Silence of the Library on the Tenth Doctor theory, and moving stories that directly follow Forest of the Dead to before it due to their relation to Midnight filled me with such a rage I nearly went to their talk page to tell them to stop, but I managed to temper myself after I logged on. Instead, I thought I'd come to an admin instead to voice my frustrations, since a word from them might have more impact than a rant from me, since I'll probably get blocked for my feedback becoming a personnel attack, and I'd rather avoid that while I'm in the middle of editing Tenth Doctor articles.

Something else I wanted to get off my chest is that they had recently been sending me repeated messages to respond to a talk page that made me feel harassed by them, but I think my message to them to stop was heard.

Apologies for disturbing you with this, but I thought I should bring it up to someone with authority. Many thanks for listening, BananaClownMan ☎  18:35, 13 November 2022 (UTC)


 * I am genuinely sorry. I shouldn’t of done that, you should of gone to my talk page and given me what I deserve. Tellymustard ☎  21:17, 13 November 2022 (UTC)


 * I'd have to second BananaClownMan's request so as to avoid an edit war at Theory:Timeline - Eleventh Doctor. Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon ☎  20:37, 13 November 2022 (UTC)


 * And I don't think their edit summary at said page reading "They are though. Now stop. They have been this whole fucking time" is appropriate. Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon ☎  21:04, 13 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Sorry to message a third time, but I'd consider the latest edit summary on Theory:Timeline - Thirteenth Doctor ("next time fix it and don’t be an nasty American") a personal attack. Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon ☎  21:11, 13 November 2022 (UTC)


 * I agree with User:Jack "BtR" Saxon that some admin intervention is required, and that whatever actions they decide to be appropriate should be taken regarding User:Tellymustard's actions and words; since recently joining the wiki, they have brought disorder to timelines, insisted on changes that were slowly undone from discusions on talk pages, harassed editors to reply to talk pages without considering what they might be doing in their personnel lives that might be delaying such actions, made rude comments and engaged in foul language against a fellow editor, the last two can be seen here. I'd go so far as to say these could be considered violations of the "no personnel attacks" rule, but that is for an admin to decide, and since User:Scrooge MacDuck is the only admin that contributes to timeline pages these days, I believe they can make the most unbiased decision.BananaClownMan ☎  00:56, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I have mixed feelings on User talk:Tellymustard which also likely includes personal attacks. On the one hand, yeah, white Americans are pretty awful, speaking as one myself. On the other, it's not really something you should use as an insult, it's more a self deprecating joke. Similar to how a lot of left wing Brits complain about how they're British. My personal view is "who among us hasn't violated T:NPA", this alone gets an eye roll from me. It's rude and should be addressed, but not the end of the world. The real issue is that he's continuing to be disruptive after other users have repeatedly asked him not to be, and isn't even slowing down. This isn't a DiS situation where we had a very high quality editor who just couldn't stop getting into fights every few days. DiS frustrated me, but I was perfectly willing to tolerate him for the work he did. This is someone who's repeatedly being disruptive in how they edit and constantly being rude to people. At the very least they need time to cool off and think about how we edit things imo. Najawin ☎  01:13, 14 November 2022 (UTC)


 * I really should of first gone onto the talk page for my edits on ten and eleven’s timeline. I also harrased bananaclownman which I think I really should get some sort of punishment for. I know this isn’t helping my case but I think on thirteens timeline both me and jack (Is that what we call you? Or are we supposed to use your full username?) well I think both me and jack did some things we shouldn’t of though. Jack should of gave me time to fix my edits before he reverted them again. Also I was unclear about what he was talking about, I thought he was talking about the good doctor being italicized not it takes you away. But I shouldn’t of snapped at him like that and I shouldn’t of called him a American. Tellymustard ☎  06:32, 14 November 2022 (UTC)


 * It's too late to try and salvage the situation. Now you have made offensive language towards other users and made racial remarks by using "Nasty albino Americans" to describe someone you thought was being "nasty" to you when their only crime was correcting an error in your editing judgment, but have also invaded what was to be a message for User:ScroogeMacDuck alone and made a mountain out of a mole hill by continuing this harassing behavior, I fear I can only recommend that User:Tellymustard be exiled from the wiki for however long an admin believes is warranted for conduct unbecoming an editor. I'm only sorry that User:ScroogeMacDuck has to take time out of what I imagine is a busy schedule to intervene.BananaClownMan ☎  08:45, 14 November 2022 (UTC)


 * I didn’t continue harrassing. I am sorry for harrassing you on your talk page. I also was not racist, all I said was that white male americans are generally not good people, and it is also not racist because I am a white male american. Tellymustard ☎  09:23, 14 November 2022 (UTC)


 * I'm gay but it absolutely wouldn't be acceptable for me to say that another user is acting like a nasty homosexual. Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon ☎  09:28, 14 November 2022 (UTC)


 * I am sorry for using the term albino I see how that is descriminatory. The homosexual example is different because gay people haven’t done anything bad. White male americans are sometimes fascists (ex: nerdrotic). But I see how that comment might of offended some people and I shouldn’t of been that extreme. I am not against Americans, my best friend is a white American lesbian. I simply dislike nazis and I am sorry for making such a généralisation. Not all white male Americans are facsist, just some are. Tellymustard ☎  09:40, 14 November 2022 (UTC)


 * I think we've given Scrooge enough to think about here. Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon ☎  09:55, 14 November 2022 (UTC)


 * When I think about it I am sorry for the whole statement. Tellymustard ☎  10:02, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Vandals
Could you lock Series 14 (Doctor Who), Series 15 (Doctor Who), and The Many Lives of Doctor Who (comic story) to only autoconfirmed users for a while? They've been repeated targets for vandals. Najawin ☎  20:10, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

BBC DVD covers
Hi, I've been gathering every BBC DVD cover image on the wiki into one of my sandboxes, in order to see where there are any missing covers or duplicates.

Pop over and have a look, and feel free to upload any of the missing covers.

User:Doc77can/sandbox12

P.S. I'm messaging several users so check the upload log first.

Doc77can ☎  20:29, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

Speedy rename
Hi there, Seems I made a little booboo on the page currently called "No Go Tro Fo Wo", which should be called "No Go Flo Tro Wo". I've left a speedyrename, which I had to revise on how to do it, since it's been ages since I've done one. If you get two second, could you hop on over? I've relistened to the audio several times and immediately spotted the error.

Thanks in advance, The Farty  Doctor   Talk  18:44, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

Oversized images
Hi, Scrooge. I've gone through and shrunk a few hundred images larger than the 100 KB, but it's a tiring task.

I'm not sure what the admins can do about it, but there's a lot of images that exceed the limit that I haven't got around to. Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon ☎  15:47, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

Dalek
Hi there, hoping this finds you well. I'd just like to clarify the position on the pages Dalek War Machine, Mark II Travel Machine and Skaro City Dalek as I am somewhat confused. I personally feel that all three should stand as their own pages though I guess it depends on how one defines the subjects. "Dalek War Machine" as I understand refers to the original Daleks from the Yarvelling origin story in Genesis of Evil, though the page on it has come to cover all appearances by Daleks without slats. "Mark II Travel Machine", the page for which I created not too long ago, is the equivalent of the War Machines in the Davros origin story, with The History of the Daleks identifying slats as a distinguishing feature of the Mark III Travel Machine. I'm not entirely sure that one title should redirect to the other considering the different origin stories, my motivation for the "Mark II Travel Machine" article, and indeed the "Mark III Travel Machine" which was itself a redirect to casing (though evidently not all Dalek casings are necessarily Mark III Travel Machines) for the longest time, was to capture these pieces of Dalek history with what was relevant to them for the purposes of simplicity.

Then there is the matter of "Skaro City Dalek". Making use of a conjectural title from Doctor Who: Figurine Collection, it was my intention for the page to be based on the faction of Daleks seen in The Daleks, who may have been wiped out at the end of that story or went on to form the Dalek Empire with the Genesis Daleks. Though it turns out Dalek Survival Guide uses the name as a valid source, it may complicate matters somewhat by applying it to Daleks living in the city post-The Daleks, thus designating the silver Daleks from The Evil of the Daleks as later Skaro City Daleks. (Perhaps had it been published this year it would have counted The Magician's Apprentice/The Witch's Familiar.) Truth be told I'm not entirely sure how this issue should be settled but I will propose my rough idea. To repeat, I feel that "Dalek War Machine" and "Mark II Travel Machine" should be separate pages, though the history of the slatless Daleks should be kept somewhere. Regarding "Skaro City Dalek", I feel there may be a need for some sort of clear-up since, from where I'm standing, I don't see much of a difference between that page and "Dalek War Machine". MrThermomanPreacher ☎  18:30, 7 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the quick reply. I don't entirely agree that The Daleks faction does not need a page but I'll put that aside for now. Though I can see how "Dalek War Machine" and "Mark II Travel Machine" may link to the same thing, I'm still not exactly sure what the difference between "Dalek War Machine" and "Skaro City Dalek" is as their pages stand now, perhaps because admittedly I haven't really considered much of a difference between variants and casings. For instance, I see Special Weapons Daleks, Defence Drones and the like as Dalek variants that are distinguished by their casings, though I recognise that there are Dalek creatures such as the Dalek Prime, the Black Dalek Leader and the Reconnaissance Dalek that go through multiple casings. I guess there is the Imperial Dalek faction, which encompasses the Necros Dalek casings. Would that sort of thing be happening here? I'm just trying to figure out where exactly "Dalek War Machine" ends and "Skaro City Dalek" begins. At the risk of complicating this further there is the Dalek Earthforce who also don't have slats. Would they count as "Dalek War Machines", "Skaro City Daleks", both or neither? MrThermomanPreacher ☎  19:13, 7 December 2022 (UTC)


 * So "Dalek War Machine" is the casing and the "Skaro City Dalek" the mutant... but "Skaro City Dalek" is your "proper name for the slatless Daleks"? If "Skaro City Dalek" refers to mutants then it sounds like a faction to me, and I'm not sure where that faction ends. Barring isolated "impurities" like the Red Rocket Rising Daleks and the aforementioned Defence Drones I could see this going to the "present day" Daleks in the post-Time War universe. I'm beginning to see your point that "Skaro City Dalek" is not necessarily the best name here. MrThermomanPreacher ☎  19:30, 7 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Ok. So the "Skaro City Dalek" is a type of Dalek drone. Indeed, that is what I see when I read the lead on the article. So by this definition individuals such as the Red Dalek Leader and the Black Dalek Leader would not be "Skaro City Daleks" despite their use of slatless casings... these casings would be "Dalek War Machines", wouldn't they? As I understand it now "Skaro City Dalek" is an early, if not the original incarnation of the Dalek drone, a predecessor to later "incarnations" such as the slatted Silver Daleks, the Grey Daleks, the Bronze Daleks and the Red Drones? MrThermomanPreacher ☎  19:48, 7 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Alright. So "Dalek War Machines" are slatless casings, and "Skaro City Dalek" is the drone caste in this early, slatless Dalek Empire. I guess that answers the question as to when they end, that is naturally they both end when slats are added to the mix and we have a slatted Black Dalek leading Silver Dalek drones, then slatted Gold Daleks leading Grey Dalek drones etc. Thank you for taking the time to explain. MrThermomanPreacher ☎  20:03, 7 December 2022 (UTC)