Howling:Donna and the Chameleon arch

One thing I've wondered, the Doctor was able to change his DNA from Time-Lord to Human using the chameleon arch, storing his conciousness in a fob watch. Was there anything on screen to suggest that he could not do the same for Donna? If he could do that, wouldn't that solve the problem of her conciousness being Time-Lord.

I've been thinking about possible reasons that it may not have worked, such as Donna not being fully Time-Lord so it wouldn't work on her, or the chameleon arch being broken, but it really confuses my why the Doctor wouldn't attempt to fix it then use it on her, making her Human again. Does anyone have any sort of idea why he didn't, or possible reasons why he didn't? The Thirteenth Doctor 18:51, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

Being half human wouldn't effect the chameleon arch, since the doctor is half human. He didn't need to use the chameleon arch on Donna, because physcially she didn't change at all. The Doctor's mind was just in her head, and that was too much for her. The chameleon arch was used to change biology, for example John Smith only had 1 heart. Since Donna's problems were with her brain, the Doctor just had to wipe her memory using his weird mind meld thing.Icecreamdif 18:58, August 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm pretty sure her biology changed. Both she and the Doctor said she was part Time-Lord. And he could still use it to store her conciousness, couldn't he? The Thirteenth Doctor 19:03, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

The part of her that was timelord was her mind. There was a line somewhere in the episode where she said something like, "I got the best part of the Doctor-his mind." Her body was still human, and she still only had one heart. The only thing that was killing her was a timelord mind in her head, so the Doctor wiped her memory to solve the problem.Icecreamdif 19:07, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

Duh...NO! This is the stupidest idea ever and this is wrong on so many levels...


 * 1) There is nothing to suggest that the Doctor has another chameleon arch fob watch or that the chameleon arch can work without one.


 * 1) The chameleon arch creates a completely new identity, and wipe out all memories...so if successful, Donna would forget her family and human life as well...that's like murdering Donna mentally...if the DoctorDonna thing didn't kill enough of her life, this certainly will help kill all of it....


 * 1) we only know that the chameleon arch works on Time Lords...and Donna's biology is definitely not fully Time Lady...


 * 1) the chameleon arch is not perfect, the Time Lords under chameleon archs still have past memories as dreams...this mean if it works, it only makes Donna more human in biology...Since Donna's knowledge was gained through external means, we have no way of knowing what the chameleon arch will do to it...if this factor hinders the process, she will end up with a more human biology and the same amount of knowledge, it only makes sense that she will die faster...


 * 1) Even if successful, Donna will definitely not be better off...because as seen in the Master's case, simple keywords would trigger some of the memories back...and it definitely makes no sense to just throw away the fob watch and Donna's consciousness just to prevent her from opening it....that's like executing someone to prevent someone from committing suicide...


 * 1) The process is extremely painful even for a Time Lord...a half human biology may not be able to stand it...


 * 1) The Doctor's memory wipe thing was really quick...and the chameleon arch thing isn't...by the time the Doctor has everything set up, Donna would have already died...and if he has to memory wipe her before he has time to use the chameleon arch...there's no point in doing so...


 * 1) The chameleon arch is built to disguise, it is not built to wipe away memory...we have no idea what side effects it would have if use for other functions (e.g. Is there a specific time limit where the consciousness would return to the body that we have yet to see? Can the body be too far away from the fob watch? Will there be long term side effects like reducing decades of lifespan?) --222.166.181.186 20:21, August 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * 222, this is your problem, you come in and say "this idea is stupid", "you're all so stupid". Just stop, okay. Give input and your opinion, yes, but stop calling other peoples ideas and opinions stupid. If you do it again, I'm simply going to request you be blocked. --The Thirteenth Doctor 20:26, August 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Who said anything about you all being stupid? What's wrong with the idea being stupid? This idea contradicts so many points presented in the show that it can never be reasonably fit into any theory.  I am surprised it gets mentioned, since the whole deal with Donna is that erasing her identity was killing her, and the point of the chameleon arch is that it's the ultimate erasing of one's identity.


 * May I also suggest you to please use talk pages...many of the threads in the Howling are filled with your posts that complain about specific users or threatening to request blocking specific users and not deal with anything remotely related to the topic. Regardless of whether or not you agree these posts with no information are spams, I highly doubt other users will enjoy looking through these posts to find the information they want. --222.166.181.217 21:12, August 3, 2010 (UTC)