User talk:Doug86/Archive 1

DOUG86
PLEASE COMMENT ON MY COMMENT ON THE DISSCUSION PAGE ON SERIES 5 PLEASE - WHATS YOUR OPINION ???????????? Michael Downey

Thanks
This unit is most appreciative of your assistance in upadted the Big Finish audio links. --Colleyd 17:44, 11 February 2008 (UTC)Woof.

Dark Ages
Thanks for fixing the Dark Ages link and the redirect. -- Q 1712 01:31, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Novelisation addition
Hi, I removed the novelisation from the classicTV info box, as the novelisation info should really be kept separate from the TV information. --Tangerineduel 14:26, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi Doug86
I've been a bit absent recently caught up in life and all that but just having a browsw and two things drew my attention one was brief encounters and the other was the BIT comic strips. As both of these are of interest to me and on my list to look at I thought I might make a few suggestions.


 * Re Brief encounters

I had a discussion some time ago regarding how to list them. I think it was Tangerineduel, started giving them all an individual article, but after discussion we thought about referencing them to a single page. One of the reasons for this is quiet a few had no title assigned to them and would be difficult to find, and the other was the fact that content was concise, but lacking in available depth to warrant a whole page, without reprinting the text anyway. As their were I think just over 30, it seemed to be quite a short series, containable on one page. Anyway don't know if you found the previous discussion, or if these points had been considered, and if so I'd like to know how you're planning on dealing with the unnamed ones.
 * Re BIT comic strips

On a similar line, but not quite.

I see you've started to give the strips individual pages. Here' a thought! As the strip is so short (running to only four pages, individually titled but often with a running narrative. Could 'we' (and I only say that because its something I've been looking at with regards Tenth Doctor Comic strips recently), combine the comic strip article in the BIT Issue page (yet to come). It would give the Issue page a bit more interest, strip continuity, and as the strip is limited to the magazine with a definite (so far) partwork issue of 52 be more contained.
 * Anyway just a few thoughts let me know what you think.The Librarian 15:02, 23 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Just to jump into this conversation, after actually reading through some of the Brief Encounters recently (while working my way through various DWMs), they almost can qualify for a page, and with 30 stories would make for a long single page. As for the untitled ones, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. --Tangerineduel 15:29, 23 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree about giving Brief Encounters stories single pages, and I think I have a solution for the BIT comics. The Comic Book Database has given unofficial titles for the story arcs. If we borrow from them, it would be like this:


 * 1-6: The Survivors of Platform One
 * 7: The Glutonoid Menace
 * 8-11: Vaction on Centuria
 * 12-15: The Living Planet
 * 16: Plague Panic
 * 17: Exhausting Evil
 * 18-21: Wrath of the Warrior

Just a suggestion, let me know what you think. Doug86 20:49, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Altering other user's personal pages and postings
Hi, I've not mentioned it thus far. However please do not alter any further person's personal pages/postings, this is against our Vandalism and Unhelpful Content Policy, further actions such as those described may result in action being taken. (But on a side note, you've been doing a great job thus far). Thanks --Tangerineduel 13:07, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Status
Hi. Have changed your user rights to sysop (I think), put a message on my talk page if it's not done. --Tangerineduel 08:50, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

It works, thanks! Doug86 08:51, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Name Confusion Reply
The Oakley/Oakely spellings are taken straight from the official Big Finish pages. So unless someone has the actual cds, I don't have a way to verify which is the actual spelling, or if they're actually two different people with similiar names. --Colleyd 13:35, 27 May 2008 (UTC)Woof.

Stubs
I'm trying not to put the tag on all of them, if you think some aren't stubs, then just remove the tag. --AnimeNoKyouran 04:49, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Absent Admins
I'm sending this out to all the currently active Admins here, with regards to this Forum posting Forum:Absent Admins.

It's the suggestion that all the admins who have not been active in the last two years have their admin user rights dropped.

This is the list of users to be dropped back from admins.


 * User:***Stardizzy***
 * User:Amxitsa
 * User:Jaster
 * User:Joker1138
 * User:Josiah Rowe
 * User:Mantrid
 * User:Nhprman
 * User:OncomingStorm
 * User:Sean-Black

User:Freethinker1of1 was also on the list, though as he started this wiki I think that would be a bit of a kick in the teeth.

Please put your thoughts on the forum or get back to me with opinions or what we should do etc, thanks. (Also if you think I've missed any active admins can you send this message onwards to them also, I've sent this to User:Azes13, User:Ghelæ, User:GingerM). --Tangerineduel 15:41, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

BIT Comic strips
Hi Doug, noticed you have been doing some editing to the reference boxes on the strips, just so you don't think I'm ignoring you, I'm just finishing off the comic strip pages (only three more to catch up with and complete).I took on board TangerineDuels feedback and have revisited with the information I had so far to bring it up to date and correct a few first time messy bits! Im intending to revist them once more add and specify references to props used. (eg. Blue suit, screwdriver used to open doors, etc). So if you want to hold back. The other thing is glasses! My view is that glasses are something to do on another page, but a page specifically to the Doctor's glasses. In Time Crash, specific references were made to the use of the glasses not sure how to head it yet or whether to keep under general Doctor page.

Thanks by the way for the list of grouped story titles. I decided not to use them in the end, deciding that they weren't well known enough in themselves and so in this case were probably more accessible as individual articles. This could still be changed at a later stage, but we'll see when the series is done and the basic areas of BIT are all covered. Keep up the good work.The Librarian 04:25, 25 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the reply; my view is that "glasses" is too common for an article on this wikia - note that you didn't add a link for the Doctor's blue suit. However, if you're planning on doing an article on the Doctor's glasses, go right ahead. Doug86 13:49, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Children of Earth
Thanks for deleting this article it looks like we may have another Christmas special plague of articles on our hands Dark Lord Xander 03:01, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Cyberman
Hi there just curious what was the reasoning behind moving Cybus Cybermen to Cybermen (Pete's World) as i was unable to find any dissolution on the move. Dark Lord Xander 08:45, 26 August 2008 (UTC)


 * It seemed to me to make more sense this way, all the other articles dealing with duplicates in Pete's World have "(Pete's World)" to differentiate them from their main timeline counterparts, so I figured that the Cybermen should too. Doug86 22:36, 26 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Be that as it may i think it should have been discussed while your point is valid they are Cybus Cybermen created by Cybus industries hence the big C on their chests but what ever. I am happy that this outcome atleast returned the original Cybermen to the Cybermen Page --Dark Lord Xander 07:29, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Vulcan (disambiguation)
Why was it deleted?


 * My understanding is that disambiguation are usually needed for three or more articles with the same or similar names. Since there are only two articles named Vulcan (the planet and the god) all that is needed to have a link to the other article at the top of the page. Doug86 07:15, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

copying from Wikipedia doesn't count as plagiarism
I noticed you deleted an article Honoré Lechasseur for copying and pasting a Wikipedia article of the same name.

Wikipedia has a Creative Commons license, same as this Wiki and even a template for indicating that you took part or all of an article from there. (though I don't know the short form of the template or else I would use it.)

http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Wikipedia

and

I myself "created" the Muriel Frost article by cut and pasting from Wikipedia. (I did the same with at least one other articles.) though I edited and changed it to fit this Wiki.

not that I have any tolerance for people cutting and pasting information from sources not under Creative Commons. I pointed out the number of comics entries stolen from Doctor Who Guide. --Stardizzy2 19:19, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Battles in Time Comic strips. Thoughts wanted
Hi Doug, I've seen you tidy up and work around comic strips and would value your opinion on some recent work. As you may have noticed I've been working on the strips in the Battles in Time magazine. I choose this series mainly because its of a limited run and could create a test-look to it. I'm still tweaking it with additional information to include, but nearly there with that bit. My thoughts are around the use of images.

For starters the info box on the story page - it clearly identifies what the article relates to. I choose to include a gallery bit on the main page, I thought better representation of the strip than a single image. (AND scanning here takes so long, not to mention the upload times). Good or bad move?

The artist Lee Sullivan has chanced across these pages and been in contact. He seems more than happy for his work to be promoted this way and was very flattering about the pages. More coming soon I hope! He said he had forgotten he had drawn some of the images when he saw them displayed as they were, which I thought was nice!Anyway...

On the main listing page underneath the listings I've duplicated the story samples. While I appreciate there is some duplicity, I believe its inclusion is for another reason. So often I find lists of comic strips boring and unhelpful, after all they are a very visual reference and the images of a frame I find are far more helpful if I want to look something up. A comment about the speed in loading the page being compromised by the amount of information (and again the question of duplicity), has been raised. Do you think the page should the page be divided up, and is this degree of duplicity acceptable?

Personally I hate linking to a page that has maybe only one line of text. With the comic strip characters the minor characters have been included in the character section of the strip page, but some have suggested they should have their own page. To remove this bit and give each a seperate article, I feel could be a bit of an unnecessary distraction.

Another option I'm thinking of exploring is imaging each comic strip character so at least each named character at least would have a visual included.And it would feature an individual infobox like Abslom Daak. I'm not aware of one specifically for comic strip characters, any thoughts?

Sorry if this is a bit longwinded but as I'm now revisting each page I thought I would ask what you think (if you have any thoughts on the matter that is!). Keep up the good work by the way! Oh and some P.S.'s
 * I intend to include a generic title for the various installments in the notes and,
 * I'm going to expand the TV referencing bit with specifics. and,
 * Following Time Crash maybe the Doctor's glasses do deserve a page, and having listened to the commentary from David Tenant on the latest boxed set, I believe the tenth Doctors clothing could well have its own page!
 * Oh and finally while I'm thinking about it...any interest, or objection, do you think in uploading the Battles in Time collectable trading cards, full size scans, not on a gallery page but linked from the listing page. i was thinking ahead to a Related Merchandise link on a number of pages!

Well that is it now...bye The Librarian 02:44, 12 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you for requesting my opinion on your ideas. They are as follows--


 * Info box on story page - I'd change it to just the BIT logo, not the BIT logo and Tenth Doctor picture that appears now.
 * Duplicating story samples on main page - I personally find this acceptable, although to save space you may want to minimize the images.
 * Comic strip characters - these definitely should be given their own pages: after all, characters from the TV stories and novels have their own pages; plus I myself have created pages for characters from various TVC comic strips.
 * A glasses page has already been created, and I think the Doctor's clothes should be limited to a Gallery page.
 * Battles in Time trading cards and other merchandise should also be limited to just a Gallery page.

Doug86 06:01, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Hi Doug RE: Captain Jack Harkness
I'm looking at the Torchwood bits at the moment for a distraction! and i see you are right behind me.

I see you have deleted Captain Jack Harkness (TV story). Hate to disagree but I know its a duplicate I copied it! I was intending to redo the links from the overused Captain Jack page. The distinction is made with other pages that refer to a TV story so I cant see what your hurry was. The Librarian 21:46, 15 March 2009 (UTC)


 * First of all, an article's name is not changed by copying and duplicating an old page in a new article, but by Moving the old article. Second, I see no reason why the episode page should be moved when it would simply be easier to fix the pages that incorrectly link to that article. The current set up seems just fine to me. Doug86 23:39, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Ok Im going to assume you know what you are talking about, but firstly unless I check with your talk page, I'd never know you replied!

Surely the whole point of ambiguous links is to clarify them. Someone searching for Captain Jack Harkness (who never refers to himself as just Jack Harkness! not that I've found yet) in the same way I would have thought would have an article headed like the Brigadier is used as a known prefix. Further it would make the distinction between the (at least) two Jack Harkness'.

Bearing in mind that this primarily a Doctor Who wiki, is it not sensible to suppose that searches for Captain Jack Harkness would more likely lead to a character search rather than the name of a TV story/Torchwood story!

I dont agree with you that the current set up is fine sorry! The Librarian 15:26, 16 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Well I would assume that anyone familiar with wikis would know that character articles never begin with titles, but with second names. Further, if a person did search for Captain Jack Harkness the character and came to the episode page instead, they would simply realize they had made a mistake and go to the correct page. Both pages link to the main disambiguation page, which as the name suggests is there to clarify ambiguous links. Doug86 23:42, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

IP editing
I want to help this wiki but can't be bothered to create an account. Can I just edit under an IP? 121.72.207.139 05:29, 19 March 2009 (UTC).

WTF?
I was editing stuff on Atheism wiki, and suddenly got this message from you. What is a "Tardis wiki". Some sort of star trek site? BTW isn't that David Badiel or something? Notdavros 10:11, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Quotation Marks
According to Tardis:Manual of style, story titles should be in "quotation marks", not italics. Please do not vandalise pages by removing properly placed quotation marks and replacing them with italics. -- solar penguin/(talk)/(contribs) 09:02, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Recent Troubles with Torchwood and Planet of the Dead rumours deletions
One might think that that user need to be blocked

Psychic Paper
Would you mind fixing my edit on the mentioned paged I tryed to add Planet of the Dead to the info box and It did not work Bigshowbower 10:48, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Deletion of Hartnell episode name redirects unwarranted
I see you deleted my redirect from "Bell of Doom". I have re-created that redirect, in the hopes you will not delete it again. It is important to maintain these episode title redirects, and indeed it is inconsistent to allow some (like "The Dead Planet"), while disallowing this one. "Bell of Doom" is important to maintain, in particular, because it has a number of unique features that are not part of The Massacre as a whole. For instance, it is only true to say that the setting of "Bell" —and not the serial as a whole —includes then-modern London. It is also the only episode for which Donald Tosh receives a writing credit. Without being able to link to this particular episode, it is more difficult to precisely define Tosh's actual on-screen credit. In my opinion, all Hartnell episodes should be uniformly linkable by their individual titles so that discussion on related pages can be easily and specifically referenced.  Czech Out  ☎ | ✍ 16:49, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

sitenotice
Hi, I'm Scott from Wikia Entertainment. I wanted to let your community know about a giveaway on Terminator Wiki to win tickets to a screening of the new Terminator movie. If it's okay with you, I'd like to put a link in your sitenotice to help bring it some attention. Please let me know if you have any questions. Thanks! 05:15, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Comic infoboxes
Because of your past work on filling out a lot of comic-related material, your views are invited on a proposal to radically alter the comic infobox. Please come to the forum thread and give your views. Thanks!  Czech Out  ☎ | ✍ 17:05, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

My Changes
It seems to me it looks better, but I could be wrong so revert them, Im not fussed Bigshowbower 09:43, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

The Darksmith Legacy
What would you suggest I head the Time-Vampire/ Parisian Vampire / unspecified creature as? Not sure....got a good picture of it though! The Librarian 00:24, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm torn between either "Parisian Vampire" or "Parisian vampire" -- not sure because I haven't read the book myself. Doug86 09:56, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Join the club!
Hey, would you like to join the Gallifreyan club at User talk:Doc Who10. You can get badges and awards! Cheers! -- Twelfth Doctor K-9.jpg( TARDIS Console Room )

Editing Posts
Hi Doug, love the work you've been doing on the wiki. I just wondered, when you edit a post, for instance Dalek, could you edit everything you want and then save it, instead of editing one section and saving it, then doing it to the next. It's just I watch several of the pages you edit, and it would mean less emails in my inbox if you edited the whole thing and saved it. I know it seems like a stupid thing to comment about, but when it happens two nights in a row... Thanks for your cooperation. Will101 21:29, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Infoboxes
See the discussion over on the Tardis talk:Infobox development the changes made to the Template: Infobox Individual have been discussed and are part of making the infoboxes work far better. The changes made to the Infobox Individual did not change the functionality, and only collapsed sections that are not needed. --Tangerineduel 12:30, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Page deletion
Hi Doug -- does this wiki have a policy or process for deleting pages? I didn't see one on a quick look through your policy pages.

I've gotten an email request from Claudia Dudman to have her stub page removed, as she's a private person who would prefer not to appear in the wiki. Would you please do this for her, in accord with our general policy about pages about living people? Thank you very kindly, — Catherine (talk) 22:03, 4 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi Doug, could you please explain why you restored this page, deleted as a courtesy to someone who contacted us about it politely? I tried to contact you about it first, but didn't get a response. Can you please tell me how you would like me to handle this? Thanks! — Catherine (talk) 19:53, 6 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm just going to butt in where I'm not wanted. I've read and understand the policy you cite, Catherine, but I'd like invite Ms. Dudman, or you on her behalf, to share why this article violates her right to privacy. It simply lists a credit that is also published in a magazine. It does not contain any information that is not already publicly available, and is certainly less than a Google search would likely reveal about her (or anyone else). I think a review of any similar articles on this wiki would show that they are consistent in only concerning themselves with only the professional aspects of such persons.
 * Of course, if Ms. Dudman is adamant, I concur that the policy is clear-cut. But I'd rather she join the community of this wiki, which I've found to be extremely respectful and professional. (Heck, if they tolerate me...)
 * I know it probably goes without saying, but I'm not attempting to speak for Doug86 or anyone but myself. Monkey with a Gun 07:20, 7 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the thoughtful response, Monkey. I agree that you've done nothing wrong by creating the article, and that the information that she did this work is verifiable public knowledge. This was less a policy decision than a courtesy, in the spirit of not going against an article subject's wishes. She has moved on from her work with Doctor Who, and does not wish this very small credit from her resume to appear in search results for her name. If the article had been more substantial I would certainly have encouraged her to engage the community in dialogue about it, but in regard to a one-sentence stub I didn't feel asking her to "argue her case" was the best or kindest choice, when she was very clear about her wishes. I apologize if I made a poor judgment call.


 * How should we proceed? — Catherine (talk) 14:51, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Spelling
Nice work on the spelling. Sorry for making work for you.--Skittles the hog 21:23, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for infobox
Notice that you put infobox:object on my new page for Fission gun. I am Fairly new to writing wiki pages and couldn't figure out how to do it. Please can you tell me how to put infoboxes on my pages.

--Dragonmaster79 14:35, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Discont, Error and Plot
If your not too busy, there have been some ip on some Third/Fourth Doc stories Discont Error and Plot, I was wondering if you could look over the edits incase ive missed anything. Bigshowbower 13:23, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

DWAS
Hi! was wondering if you could restore Doctor Who Appreciation Society (DWAS) in favour of Doctor Who Appreciation Society? Simply because I've changed the references and didn't want to link a DWAS page. I was sorting it when you 'interupted'. Rather than redirect just delete the other. Thanks The Librarian 01:27, September 6, 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually I'm pretty sure that the name of the organization is "Doctor Who Appreciation Society", and not "Doctor Who Appreciation Society (DWAS)", as DWAS is just their initials. Doug86 01:32, September 6, 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, but the article heading if you want to be pedantic doesnt state that this is a page headed by the organisation name only does it. Not only that but people of a 'certain age' will know the name DWAS (without dots denoting an abbreviation!. Furthermore DWAS was used in the title of a number of fanproduced items that were published on closer inspection by the Doctor Who Appreciation Society.

I just thought that as people have both terms of reference for the same thing it would be easier....obviously not as you disagree and have changed it all back. So can I ask you do a DWAS page with a redirect to Doctor Who Appreciation Society. So that both versions can be linked, a third if you want to have D.W.A.S. The Librarian 21:35, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

PS Germ Warfare...sorted! thanks for that one, ill replace the black and white (DWA CS7) picture at some stage. The Librarian 21:35, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

A plea from the Librarian
I really appreciate all the help in tidying up my pages, especially the categories bits which Im crap at to be honest - I know if I used them more I'd get better! But could you just hold off (even for a half hour) between changes because I usually do pages in blocks and frequently swop between them tidying up (some of it anyway), as I go and Im getting quite a few conflicts in editing. Thanks. Oh by the way, I am curious where in the world you are working from! The Librarian 23:53, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

Redirect vs Deletion
Me again! Hi! would you explain to me why you choose to redirect and not delete pages. (A specific example being Allhallows Street).The reason I ask is that by adding a redirect it doesn't appear to remove it from the list of orphaned pages AND I think it makes the 'new' page look clumsy with "this page is redirected". The Librarian 01:08, September 8, 2009 (UTC)


 * If an article is found to have been misspelled, the proper way to deal with it is to move it to the proper article name, not to create a new page with the same content and delete the old page. This way the page's history is preserved. Doug86 01:58, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

First Doctor Vortis Timeline
I noticed you recently edited the continuity sections of the Vortis based First doctor stories to add On the Web Planet into the mix. The order you placed them in though, doesn't seem to make sense with the order that the stories from the 1966 annual seem to present. Since there isn't a summary for On the Web Planet, I created a forum post at The First Doctor's visits to Vortis to see if anyone has information that could help figure out the proper placement for all these stories. I was hoping you could explain how you came to the order you used. Thanks! --Raukodraug 02:42, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

Shaila Bux article
I just happened to, at random, come across the Shaila Bux article. I noticed the article lists a date of death, however this is not sourced and was originally added by an unregistered IP user (I'm mentioning this because you edited the addition for format). I did a Google and I couldn't find anything to support this, and in fact it even looks like she has an active Facebook page. Were you able to confirm at your end that she is in fact dead, or were you simply editing for format (I know I'm asking you to think back about 18 months). If not, I might be inclined to remove this as uncertain information. 23skidoo 02:25, September 29, 2009 (UTC)
 * I was just about to contact you regarding Claudia Dudman being removed from links - is there something Im missing?, when I saw this bit about Shaila Bux. Curious. If she is supposed to have died, why is she still choosing favourite moments from Doctor Who and Doctor Who Magazine. I hope to be contacting DWA shortly to raise a couple of questions that have been knawing away slowly and thought these comments were not a good advert for the site if the information is incorrect. Please clarify for me. Thanks The Librarian 20:28, October 23, 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok got the Claudia reference (?) sorry about that I'll try and remember! The Librarian 20:34, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

Donna Category
Hello, sorry to take your time with what could be a trivial matter, but a recent unregistered user has created a Category (see subject line) and a page called "Lauren Cooper". Ive added a Proposed deletion tag on the pages but the user deleted it and they also added a Proposed deletion tag on my person page as well. I just thought you would like to know. Thanks Bigshowbower 04:30, September 30, 2009 (UTC)

Eve
There are 2 Eve characters now so it is only right that they should be correctly labelled so my change was correct. Michael Downey 20:29, October 24, 2009 (UTC)


 * There should be more than two characters with the same name to make a disambiguation page. Doug86 20:33, October 24, 2009 (UTC)

Okay fair enough delete the disambiguation page but I have labelled the pages properly so Eve itself is empty. Michael Downey 20:35, October 24, 2009 (UTC)

STOP moving my page Tangerineduel has just said I could move the page instead of copying so that's what I did MOVE IT BACK Michael Downey 12:08, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

Totter's Lane
Hey sorry to take your time with a trivial matter, but would you mind fixing the infobox on the Totter's Lane page, I dont know how to fix it. Bigshowbower 10:05, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

Changes to Judson
Evening Doug,

Hope you are well - just wondered why you undid my revision of Judson - all based on the facts in the story, the original is also very badly written and in need of a rewrite. Just thought Id ask why?

Paul


 * You frequently use & n b s p ; instead of spaces and for hyperlinks the format Haemovores, both of which are completely unnecessary. Doug86 00:05, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

Alternative Doctors
Why did you change the alternative doctors page. The Exile doctors are 2nd and 3rd and the curse of fatal death are alternative 9-13. Why not change Shalka Doctor

Judson 2
Doug, thank you for your earlier response, however, a couple of points.

Firstly, Im not sure why you felt the need to post a reply that was bordering on rude. A simple explanation, rather than a lecture would have been more appropriate. Secondly, with regards to your decision to delete the whole article, why not send me a message pointing out the problem/s and asking me to correct, which I would have done?

As a resolution, what I suggest is that you restore the previous Judson post and Ill go back and correct from there. A tip also for the future, the language you use, while I understand it, is rather complex for the casual viewer, it might be worth keeping it simply for people who are not familar with the letter of web language.

Thanks

Paul

2032
Just a quick note that I reinstated the 2032 article, but I properly formatted it to conform with the other Years articles (i.e. 2089, 2059, 2009). Once we have indication of a calendar date, a year article becomes justified, though the previous attempt was not formatted properly. 23skidoo 18:31, November 21, 2009 (UTC)

Why did you delete that page I made
Hi I made a page called London - List of Appearences and all of a sudden when I am editing it you delete. Without further warning. --Catkind121 22:10, November 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * See Category:Stories set in London. That category covers it. -- sulfur 23:00, November 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes but I spent an hour doing that and then someone deletes my hard work. --Catkind121 14:54, November 24, 2009 (UTC)

Cyb?
Oh, couldn't you give Cyb a chance? It was badly written but that's because the template wasn't working and I hadn't copied a line. I was about to do so and fix it up. I'm A Hydroponic Tomato! Bigredrabbit 18:48, December 18, 2009 (UTC)

Vinnie van Gogh
I was in the process of writing up an article on him, and created that redirect because it was simpler to see what was linking to the article. I've recreated the redirect because putting in a capital "Van" is a very common misspelling of his name, and it is almost guaranteed that people will link to that again. Without it, chances are very good that someone will create a new version of the article and we'll end up with it duplicated. -- sulfur 04:39, December 31, 2009 (UTC)

New main page
There's a discussion in the forum concerning a new main page could you take a look in, I've just reverted its addition to the main page as I feel there should be a full discussion (with admin input) before it goes live on the main page. Forum:New Home Page?. Thanks. --Tangerineduel 02:31, January 3, 2010 (UTC)

Amy (Key 2 Time)
I see you're dissatisfied with my move of Amy to Amy (Key 2 Time), and Amy to Amy (disambiguation). The change was completed, along with all the manual editing of various linked pages, before your complaint was registered. I wouldn't have thought it would have been a controversial move at all. The average user of the site will undoubtedly think "Amy" means "Amy Pond", given her upcoming prominence in the Doctor Who mythos. Even were she not, "Amy" is such a common name that, I believe, common sense dictates that Amy should be linked to Amy (disambiguation). This minor character from a trilogy of audio adventures is simply not important enough to justify giving her "ownership" of the common name "Amy". If anyone deserves that — and I don't actually think they do — surely it's the more prominent Amy Pond.

Precedence for this kind of move can be seen with Martha and Rose.  Czech Out  ☎ | ✍ 16:28, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

Regarding Yrcanos
Regarding Yrcanos, in the article Peri Brown, it says that Yrcanos was from Krontep, not from Thoros Alpha, i thought Sclera1 13:03, January 23, 2010 (UTC)

Lynda Moss
Lynda Moss was not killed by being exposed to the vacuum she was killed because a Dalek exterminated. I will admit her body entered the vacuum but a Dalek was the main cause, Michael Downey 15:53, February 2, 2010 (UTC)

Actor or Maker
Hi, I'm going to do a template infobox on Noel Clarke but he's an actor and a writer. What template do you think I should do for him, Infobox Maker or Infobox Actor? Trikster87, 17:35, March 1st, 2010 (UTC)

Timeline navigation changes
As you are one of the frequent editors to year, decade and century pages, I wanted to try to make your life easier. Koschei got the ball rolling on navigation improvements with his new template, but this will be extremely laborious to implement. Hundreds of pages requiring minute changes also spells the possibility of manual error creeping in. So I'm updating his template into an entirely automated one. As you can see by examining the code at Template:Timeline test, and its dependent subtemps, all that needs to happen is to add at to the page. The temp will take care of the rest, automatically sensing whether it's on a year, century or decade page, and responding with appropriate output. The bells and whistles of template design aren't yet completed, but that's easily fixed after the hard coding is done. Appropriate categories will also be automatically placed on the page as well.

Best of all, you don't have to do a thing. The template will be placed on every page by a bot. (Ultimately the old HTML table navigation will be removed by a bot too, but that's about a week away yet.) So instead of spending so much time on mind-numbing work, feel free to get back to the greater fun of whatever more enjoyable work you were doing here. Implementation of the core skeleton will happen over the next few days, with the project complete by sometime before the end of April.  Czech Out  ☎ | ✍ 03:17, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Deletion of Mark Vincent
There was no need to delete Mark Vincent just because it had been started in a skimpy way. I left a detailed note on the IP user's talk page about how to improve it, and he should have been given the opportunity to do so. Mark Vincent is an important figure in the production of BBC Wales DW, and he does need an article here.  Czech Out  ☎ | ✍ 14:24, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * My apologies. I'm quite wrong to have doubted you. The proper name is Mick Vincent, isn't it? I'm afraid I'll even have to take some credit for the waste of your time deleting that article, because the user who created it was, I think, going off edits I'd made. They're all fixed now, though.  Czech Out  ☎ | ✍ 20:15, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

Timeline pages
Please note that the automated process of changing over to the new timeline template has now begun. During this period, which may last up to a week, please do not add any templates or html to timeline pages. Please see Forum:For people working on year/decade/century pages . . . for more details. A note will be placed there once the process is complete.  Czech Out  ☎ | ✍ 21:11, April 22, 2010 (UTC)

Editing other user's talk comments
Hey, I know you're fixing linking errors or formatting issues. But admins still need to abide by the Tardis:Vandalism policy and not alter another user's talk comments. If you believe these issues are a huge problem place and sign a talk comment correcting the linking issue. Thanks. --Tangerineduel 10:18, April 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hey, CzechOut pointed me towards how Wikipedia deals with this sort of stuff, I've altered the vandalism policy to take this into account. Sorry for berating you. --Tangerineduel 16:49, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

Voting Booth
Will you stop deleting it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!--RPSMan 15:05, April 26, 2010 (UTC)

Behind-the-scenes people
You may find it helpful/quicker when creating new pages about behind-the-scenes people to hit the "actor" preloadable format button. I've updated it to automatically start with the PAGENAME, so you don't have to type it; to include the imdb name template in such a way that you only have to enter the ID number; and to automatically include a DEFAULTSORT so that you only have to type in their last name and first initial to properly alphabetize them.

Also, I have begun the process of further subdividing the DW/TW/SJA crew cats so that we can organize people more usefully than just "Doctor Who crew". You may wish to periodically visit Category:Doctor Who crew so as to find out which categories have been created and organize new additions appropriately. For example, there are now cats for art department, visual effects, props department, sound department, DPs, PMs, and others.  Czech Out  ☎ | ✍ 12:34, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Vandalism
User:86.153.205.158 is vandalising User Pages, but deleting all the content all of them, and saying 'Bye' in the summary. They've been asked to stop, and also they've been warned about their Vandalism, by putting the vandalism template on their page, but they continue to do so. Could you step in? Block? Warning? Cheers Mini-mitch 21:27, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

Assistance with a discussion on forum
Hi, I'd value your input/discussion on this topic in the forums Forum:Italics or Quotation marks?, I'm not comfortable making a ruling solely based on a running conversation between myself and CzechOut and would value other admin's points of view. Thanks. --Tangerineduel 06:07, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Hey, i need your help
I was trying to add a link to some pages that are also exist in the hebrew wiki, but it gives the wrong link. For example, the link for the hebrew Donna Noble page is http://he.doctorpedia.wikia.com/wiki/%D7%93%D7%95%D7%A0%D7%94_%D7%A0%D7%95%D7%91%D7%9C, but here it gives the link http://he.doctorwhopedia.wikia.com/wiki/%D7%93%D7%95%D7%A0%D7%94_%D7%A0%D7%95%D7%91%D7%9C. How can i fix this?

Term Paper on Eve Myles
Hello!

I'm a BA student of English and American studies and I'd be glad if you could help me concerning a question about Eve Myles.

For one of my seminars I'm writing a term paper about Myles' dialect. I need to know if she speaks English and Welsh and if she does if she grow up bilingual or not.

I searched on the internet and came up empty handed.

Sincerely

Jeanette


 * This may be better put in the forums where multiple people can see it. You can start a new topic here. --The Thirteenth Doctor 17:57, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

Request for page move: Scribble Monster to Scribble Creature
I just noticed in the DVD commentary to DW:Fear Her (Season 2 new series, episode 10) that Matthew Graham says the Scribble Creature was never to be called a Scribble Monster. I can go through and change all the links to Scribble Monster - after this may I please have the page moved to Scribble Creature? the angel Jean - Smith&#39;s little elf 08:40, July 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thankyou! Now I just have to work out what linked to Scribble Monster... the angel Jean - Smith&#39;s little elf 08:47, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

Eighth Doctor Timeline
i reverted your edit to the timeline because it has been discussed on this page:http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Forum%3AThe_Eighth_Doctor that on this wikia our timeline should have the audios taking place after the books as the audios The Zygon Who Fell to Earth and The Company of Friends refer to events that took place in the books.

i will put the unplaced stories back into the timeline as you placed them. Revanvolatrelundar 11:29, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Inconvenience of the deletion of Temporal Anomaly
Tangerineduel, Revanvolatrelundar and I are all annoyed at the deletion of the Temporal Anomaly page I created. If it was because the page wasn't sourced then you could have sourced it rather than deleted it because I don't know how/I don't know what it means. If you could recreate the page yourself and source it, that would be great as it would stop the massive incovenience to Tangerineduel, Revanvolatrelundar and myself. Thanks, from 90.215.45.50 21:34, January 20, 2011 (UTC).

Alan Fitzgerald, a fan of the Doctor
I can see why you can't take a page from only one source, but I do believe this character should get a page. perhaps this will inspire futher research into the character of Alan Fitzgerald from BFA The Gathering, so that there can be a more corroborated effort for his page.

172.191.172.243 00:52, September 22, 2010 (UTC)Jagged Fel

Hey.
This is a big wiki. I am delighted to work here. I dont know what to edit as there seems no pages need my editing skills. Ill do what I do with all other wikis- random page. Thanks, Man for the job 11:55, December 26, 2010 (UTC)

User
Could you please take a look at User talk:Finister2. A group of users have warned of vandalism and I myself have just posted a second time. Thanks--Skittles the hog 22:39, December 31, 2010 (UTC)

 Czech Out  ☎ | ✍ 21:01, January 3, 2011 (UTC)

Bad admin
I've just looked over your page and as far as I can see there is a lot of complaints about your edits which means: You are a bad Admin. All these edit complaints doesn't make you a very good admin. 90.215.45.50 15:47, January 23, 2011 (UTC)

You hardly even bother to answer your questions do you? 90.215.45.50 21:58, January 26, 2011 (UTC)

EDA unwritten character page
Do you know where the page went for the list of characters from the EDA books that were unwritten? ive been planning on filling in some of the gaps in it is all. Revanvolatrelundar 13:08, January 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * It's at Tardis:List of unwritten BBC Eighth Doctor Adventures characters. Doug86 13:37, January 8, 2011 (UTC)

Amperstands in titles
Since you and I have been struggling with titled amperstands, you may wish to check out current progress on solution at w:c:community:forum:Amperstands in page titles. The basic upshot, though, is that a fix is on its way tomorrow.

Hi I'm Chris Reynolds, Tommy Reynolds was my grandfather. Just out of curiosity how did you know that he was in Galaxy 4? I was under the impression that he was uncredited in his roles as the Chumbley and the Auton Troll Doll from Terror of the Autons.

Discussion in Forums
Could I ask you to leave your thoughts on the discussion on speculation in forum here?. Thanks. Mini-mitch 21:22, January 31, 2011 (UTC)

Disambig template
Hey, I've noticed you've reverted some of the bot's moves of the disambig template to a consistent place at the top of the page. Since this was a preparatory move towards the general changeover that's being developed at w:c:tardistest (see, for instance, w:c:tardistest:Peter) I'm a little curious if you have a strong objection to the disambig being consistently at the top of the page. I think it should be at the top of the page, because we'd want to alert people that the page is of the disambig "class" of pages. If you have other views, I'd love to hear them. It'd be better to discuss them now, before they get hard-coded into the CSS. Thanks :)

sorry, i was going to put in the "Invasion of the Cat people" reference Sclera1 09:00, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

--Tangerineduel / talk 14:37, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

15:36:45 Tue 29 Mar 2011

Years
I have to disagree, I think that if a year, date etc has a recorded event, then it goes on page for that date/year. It also cuts down on the number of redirects, makes these century pages easier to read as they don't look like just one big paragraph. Granted, I created pages for years that have no events, these if it's a compromise can be deleted and exist as redirects to their century page. I feel strongly, very strongly if fact that if a year has a recorded event, that goes on the year's page and not the century page. Can I also say thank you, for not deleted or reverting my editing, and waiting for a decision to be made. Thanks. Mini-mitch\talk 15:37, April 28, 2011 (UTC)

Disambiguation policy
I would suggest you read the Disambiguation policy. It states that when story titles have the same name, they are both Disambiguated. I.e. The Lodger (TV story) and Comic story, so The End of the World goes the same way. Mini-mitch\talk 16:06, June 9, 2011 (UTC)

Dates?
Just wondering what motivated the mass-delete. As far as I can tell none of the pages had a delete tag or a merge tag alerting anyone (wanting to object or discuss the merging). Surely individual articles are far better than mass-redirecting all of them to one article? Then there's all the histories of the pages to consider. Then there's the issue of preserving the history of all the consolidated pages, which hasn't been done. --Tangerineduel / talk 15:18, June 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I should've made a note as to why I'm doing this. I'm just undoing the changes made by Mini-mitch when he split the article into separate pages. As I said to him when he first did this, since most of the years in this century would have little or no information, it would be easier to have all the years on one page, just like the centuries prior to the 15th are all on one page (Early human history). Doug86 15:22, June 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * I understand that, somewhat.
 * But I think we need to work out where our threshold of information lies between having it all on one century page and having individual articles. I've started a forum topic Forum:Years - Separate pages or Century pages so we can get this sorted out and discussed so we don't need to go through these process again in the future. Thanks. --Tangerineduel / talk

17:08:09 Mon 22 Aug 2011

Font size
Could you be a little more specific, as I'm doing a lot of little adjustments at once. Are you talking the main font, the article title font, or the headline fonts? 01:51:41 Thu 15 Sep 2011


 * All of the fonts are bigger than they were before. Doug86 01:56, September 15, 2011 (UTC)

Monobook
I'm sorry, Doug, I've got to advise that you stick to Wikia for a bit. There's a huge caching delay for Monobook. I cannot quickly do anything. Monobook is simply under construction for the next few days. 06:46: Tue 20 Sep 2011
 * I've put in the command to return to normal sentence case, but I wouldn't hold my breath for a speedy return. The command to go to lowercase was put in well over two hours ago.  If you really insist on sticking to Monobook, the only advice I can give is that you periodically refresh your cache.  I apoligise for the inconvenience, but it's just not being very responsive today.   06:55: Tue 20 Sep 2011
 * Ah. I see what happened.  You made a fairly massive change in common, then changed it back.  Common is a very weird beast.  In one sense, you want a lot of your code there because it means you only have to maintain one file.  Problem is that it's very sluggish.  You get much snappier response times out of putting stuff for monobok in monobook and stuff for wikia in wikia.  That's why I've been tearing it apart recently.  We're just gonna have to wait for your initial change to filter through, and then for the "undo" to hit.   07:10: Tue 20 Sep 2011
 * I would consider switching over to wikia IF it had the toolbox on the side like monobook does - there isn't even a "what links here" link I can click on. Additionally, wikia has much smaller margins than monobook, which I don't care for either. Doug86 10:33, September 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * OK I just found that link, but I still find it less convenient than the monobook layout. Doug86 10:49, September 20, 2011 (UTC)

Director's Categories
Am I doing something wrong by tagging some of these pages as stubs? If so, please tell me so I can avoid making the same mistake in the future. Memnarc 00:32, September 24, 2011 (UTC)

First, most of these are not stubs, as a lot of these have all the currently known information about it. Secondly, the correct way to tag a page as a stub is by adding, not. Doug86 23:57, September 23, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll remember that in future. Memnarc 00:32, September 24, 2011 (UTC)

My bad
I'm fixing it now. Thanks for letting me know. I definitely won't make that mistake again! Memnarc 22:24, September 24, 2011 (UTC)

Mass destruction of job title redirects
Hi :) Why are you mass-destroying redirects of job titles?  Both the capitalised and non capitalised versions have their uses. Redirects do no harm, even if apparently unlinked.  In standard English, there are situations where it's appropriate to capitalise a job title and other times where it's not.  Having both capitalised and un-capitalised forms makes it easier to write sentence which are grammatically correct.   I left a message behind on most, if not all, of those redirect creations, indicating that there was thought behind creating and/or keeping them.  You failed to give any kind of deletion rationale, so I've no clue why you're deleting them.   16:13: Sat 01 Oct 2011


 * I deleted them because they were no longer being used after I made the changes to the Wales crew template. Doug86 talk to me 19:00, October 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm not really understanding how your changing of a template obviates the need for both the capitalised and non-capitalised versions of a title. By changing the template, you haven't changed a basic rule of English grammar.  Sometimes, you cap titles and sometimes you don't, as this style guide makes clear.  We need both forms to avoid unnecessary pipe tricks.  <span style="">05:08: Mon 17 Oct 2011
 * p.s. Sorry for taking so long to respond, but I didn't realise you had replied here. It's just a suggestion, but you might want to put a message at the top of your talk page indicating that it's your standard practice to respond on your own page.   Sulfur does this, since it's non-standard talk page behaviour.  Nothin' wrong with it, of course — it's just not how it's normally done, because it doesn't trip the new message alert.  I thought you were just ignoring me, and other users might as well.

MM/ Want to talk? 22:24, October 1, 2011 (UTC)

Question
Hello there. I have a question about some of the features you have here to use on my wiki. When I recieve a message here, it says "You have recieved a hypercube". Could you please explain how you personalized it? Thank you for your time, Toby7 Ding!Ding! 10:58, October 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * Answered at user talk:toby7.  <span style="">05:08: Mon 17 Oct 2011

NA Preludes
I see you've been editing references to NA preludes in DWM by inserting a colon. I haven't actually run across one yet that actually has a colon. Prelude Birthright, for instance, is written exactly like that, with no colon, and no difference in typography between the Prelude and the Birthright. I don't feel strongly one way or the other on whether we might want to insert a colon, since a colon feels almost necessary. Still, factually, there is no colon. Do with that information what you will. :)  <span style="">05:08: Mon 17 Oct 2011

Cyber-Mole
Well, this is how you do it. But it's tedious and not worth the time in this case. You're talking about something that happened about four years ago, in February of 2008. And the revision that user:Steed papered over was nothing more than a skeleton. Literally, there's no text aside from the infobox and the section headers.

This would be a good case to practice selective deletion on, but since we're not talking about the preservation of any significant history, it's hardly necessary. The far easier solution is simply to make an insignificant edit to Cyber-Mole (comic story) and leave behind an edit summary that was comprised of a URL to the last revision of Cyber-Mole that had to do with the story. In other words, leaving a bread crumb back to the earlier history is completely sufficient to any licensing requirements, and is clear enough to any reader trying to follow the trail. <span style="">04:44: Mon 24 Oct 2011

Apologies
You are the admin, and this is not my wiki. I am very sorry for my overreaction and comments.

Jasononthehouse 19:25, October 28, 2011 (UTC)

Riftan 5
Hey :) Cache is being wonky.  It's not even showing that the file has been deleted, and is in fact missing several deletions of the bot's from earlier today, including this one.  We have to hope that the history will rectify itself at today's regular cleaning.

You can, however, try a direct link to the restore page at:


 * http://tardis.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special:Undelete&target=Riftan%205

I'd kinda prefer that you not restore the page, because its basis is, by the creator's admission, Wikipedia. If you restore it, you technically have to put up a wikipedia tag on it. It'd be easier to simply start a whole new page, completely divorced from the earlier history. <span style="">02:33: Fri 11 Nov 2011
 * Since we've had no change on Riftan 5's error message, and since the deletion logs for user:CzechBot are still incomplete, I've bumped this issue up to Wikia Staff. We're in genuine bug territory here, and only Wikia can clear it.  Thanks for noticing this flaw and pointing it out quickly.   <span style="">01:34: Sat 12 Nov 2011


 * Just to keep you abreast of things, I've got a note back from Wikia saying that this issue was indeed a genuine bug, and that they should have fixed it by now. Certainly, it's not appearing on Riftan 5 anymore, but they should have fixed the problem from recurring after any deletion, Wikia-wide.   <span style="">22:35: Wed 16 Nov 2011

Image rules cheat card
I'm noticing more and more instances of people uploading pictures which are, according to agreed practises, flawed in some way. I'm thinking that part of the reason might be that we haven't put it all together on one page, so I've created T:ICC, or Help:Image cheat card. It's kind of in the vein of the Help:Spelling cheat card — just a quick run-through of the big points about image usage. Let me know if you think it could be improved. <span style="">05:43: Fri 11 Nov 2011

Dates
I thought we were leaving the dates as they were. According to CzechOut's post Forum:Date format switch it will screw up the site as I think. --Tangerineduel / talk 16:12, November 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, T:DATES is the relevant ruling that emerged from community discussion. I'll now be restoring the redirects you deleted.  Please don't make an attempt to restore any of these pages, as it will screw up the bot run.  Thanks.   <span style="">16:46: Tue 15 Nov 2011

vandalism?
Some unregistered contirbutor is creating year pages for the early 31st century which simply note that earth was invaded. Boblipton talk to me 02:55, December 16, 2011 (UTC)

act of vandalism?
Someone seems to have removed all of River Song's history. Boblipton talk to me 03:53, December 19, 2011 (UTC) <span style="">15:10: Tue 20 Dec 2011

imdb link
I've been trying to link to the imdb using the templates, but I keep getting the 404 message. What am I doing wrong? Boblipton talk to me 03:30, January 6, 2012 (UTC)

<span style="">23:52: Fri 27 Jan 2012

Images by story categories
Please be aware that images by televised story and images by comic story are now completely filled out with subcategories for each and every story of that type. So if you have an image from say, Thinktwice, you'll want to make sure that you put it in Category:Thinktwice comic story images. Or if you have something from The Mind of Evil, please ensure it gets into Category:The Mind of Evil TV story images.

These images by story categories are, of course, in addition to any other categories which may be appropriate, such as ones from Images by character, Images by object, or images by species.

Images by story will continue to grow over the coming weeks to include other media, but comics and TV were deemed the highest priority, since the vast majority of images will come from these two visual media.

Also, if you haven't noticed it for now, TV story pages now all have a little tab at the top left labelled "images". Clicking it takes you to the relevant category, so that you can quickly view our repository of images from that particular story All stories will eventually have this sort of link. Longer term, individual charactes might also have such a link. <span style="">02:38: Mon 20 Feb 2012

You may/dab page
Hey Doug :) I see you've taken to moving you may up above the top of page templates, as at Castrovalva (TV story).  I need to ask you to suspend this practice immediately.

You're probably unaware that monobook styling on you may and dab page — as well as many other elementsw — is different than it is in wikia. While you can move you may above the real world template, and it still looks basically okay in monobook, you cannot do this in wikia. The template has been specifically designed in wikia to sit to the immediate left of an infobox, and therefore has a width of about 480px in wikia.

I quite appreciate that this is nonsensical if you're a Wikipedia editor, because wikipedia commonly puts the dab note above the infobox. But Wikipedia doesn't have top of page banners, which act as the visual "top" of the page. And Wikipedia, luckily for them, doesn't have to contend with the design problem of having to support such a radically different skin as the fixed-width Wikia.

Since monobook expands the wider you set your browser, these templates no longer have borders in monobook.

I understand the benefits of editing in Monobook, but please remember to check how your change will look in Wikia, since that is the primary skin of the wiki, and the only skin available to guests — who are by far the majority users of the site.

(As you probably know, you can check a page in wikia without leaving monobook by simply adding  to the end of the url.  So, http://tardis.wikia.com/User talk:Doug 86?useskin=wikia will show you this page in wikia.)

<span style="">19:13: Fri 16 Mar 2012