Talk:Ludwig van Beethoven

Citation Needed on Born/Death Year
Where the fact template is in the intro paragraph for the born/death dates, in this case is Wikipedia a valid source, since this article is showing the real-world born/death years, or does the citation need to be a DWU source? I'm new here, and I read through parts of the Manual of Style, especially T:CITE, and still am unsure. --ToaMeiko ☎  05:22, August 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * We can only use sources from the DWU for in-universe pages. Wikipedia is not considered a valid source for this wiki. You can read more at Tardis:Valid sources and Tardis:Valid sources/Detailed list. Shambala108 ☎  05:25, August 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah, that's what I figured. Thanks for the info. --ToaMeiko ☎  05:26, August 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * No problem. The manual of style is so big, sometimes it's faster just to ask someone. Any time you have a question, feel free to leave a message on my talk page. Shambala108 ☎  05:48, August 26, 2013 (UTC)

Beethoven shouldn't be merged with the 12th Doctor as he isn't Beethoven. While giving the example of someone becoming Beethoven in "Before the Flood" the Doctor says it didn't happen and he has met Beethoven. He was giving an example of a Bootstrap Paradox, not talking about something he experienced 

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