Talk:The Silence

Silly, repeative rumours
Can people stop filling to 'Behind the scenes' with fanwank or potential classic enemies? This happened for series 5, and never came true. It happens every year. First, we get Omega or someone returning in series 5.... no, didn't happen. So then you go and put it down for series 6. It's ridiculous. Someone needs to throw all of this fanwanking into the crack before it consumes every article on here.

As far as the known facts are concerned, it's called The Silence, impying it's a new Moffat villain. The Silence has often been refered to as if it were a group of enities or some sort. But we have a voice, simple as that. Stop putting fanwank in the article just because we don't see a physical form. You might as well go and say it's the Rani.... oh, one of you probably already has said that. Delton Menace 07:39, July 4, 2010 (UTC)

Nobody is going to listen to someone who uses the word fanwank, or who is too scared to sign his own name. It's like criminals robbing banks wearing balaclavas, too cowardus to show the world who they really are for fear of having to face the fact what they are doing is wrong. Pharap 04:12, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

Actually: A) Moffat only once referred to it as a group, and it may have been accidental. Even if that isn't the case it still leaves the possibility of Omega's return high as our last returning Time Lord villain, the Master, was also masked as someone original and operated within the British government which as a Doctor Who villain is an original villain. B) How can anybody who seriously edits this site complain about "fanwank" when the majority of the articles are about, or involve, spin-off media material? I mean if anybody did some proper research they'd find that the spin-off is of dubious canonicity, or uncanon until further notice. Well isn't "fanwank" the same thing? Anybody get where I'm going with this? MegaNerd18 04:31, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

Moffat referred to it as a group twice. Therefore, it is quite likely it is a group. Fanwank is not the same as that. The other spin off media is considered canon in the DWU unless directly contradicted. Fanwank is used in terms of fans continually thinking new enemies are old enemies returning. (you need a signature Meganerd18 21:28, September 30, 2010 (UTC))

Spin-off media shouldn't be considered canon by anybody unless directly referred to by producers. The BBC has never released any statements confirming spin-off as canon to the TV series. This varies from Star Wars where George Lucas did indeed state the EU material for the franchise was canon. See the difference? And anybody who does a little research knows to count the spin-off out unless it's been referred to by the show's staff. Therefore constant reference to spin-off as definitely canon would be nothing more than "fanwank". Oh and just because the Silence is a group, doesn't count out the return of someone like Omega as their leader. In fact Omega's operated through groups before in his appearences. In his first it's his own minions, and in his second it's the Time Lord High Council (technically only one person, but still he did use a group). Meganerd18 21:28, September 30, 2010 (UTC)

The Doctor?
It's stated that the Doctor was the one responsible for the cracks and here it says the voice was. Could we at least say on here at the bottom that the voice could possibly be the Doctor or some type of evil manifistation for example the Valeyard and the Dream Lord? Vitas 13:13, July 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * Where does it say the Doctor caused the cracks? The Thirteenth Doctor 13:30, July 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * In The Pandorica Opens (TV story) when they're about to trap him in the Pandorica the Sontarans, Cybermen and Daleks all say it was the Doctor Who opened the cracks that's why they had to trap him in there. --Vitas 01:15, July 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * the voice was the one controling the tardis and caused it to explode, the alience assume that the doctor caused the cracks because they think that only he can pilot the tardis. The voice technicaly caused the cracks because it wanted to cause the end of the universe, and purposly exploded the tardis. the alience dont know about the voice and all the evidence they have points to the doctor so they said it was him 217.23.232.194 08:20, July 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * But then the Doctor could have done it for some alterior motive such as saving the world from a real menace or doing it to pass a message on to himself in the past, like when he faked total death on the museum staircase. We've learnt now that the new doctor is not totally beyond screwing up the laws of the universe to try and save it. Like a policeman breaking the law to uphold the law. Pharap 04:09, September 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * The Alliance was wrong. They thought it was the Doctor cause to their knowledge he was the only one who could pilot the TARDIS. However they're knowledge is incomplete as it was in fact River Song piloting the TARDIS, as she too knows how. During her piloting of it the Silence took control of it and blew it up. In addition the way it's talked about implies it's an individual entity (or a group). Therefore the Doctor is not the Silence. And to Pharap, the Doctor has never been beyond screwing up the laws of the universe, and the Eleventh has done nothing of the sort. MegaNerd18 04:23, September 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Moffat himself said on the last confidential that the doctor is breaking the laws of the universe. Bringing a sonic screwdriver back in its own timeline is a paradox, which is breaking the laws of the universe enforced by the reapers and previously the timelords. The Doctor has previously stuck to the laws of the universe with his 'fixed points in time' theory. A major plot point in the waters of mars was the Doctor's decission to break the laws of the universe in an attempt to save the lives of the inhabitants of Bowie Base One. There is no evidence to say that the voice isn't connected to the Doctor, even if the silence is a group, the Doctor could be a member of it. The Doctor also currently has a lack of knowledge behind it all so it could be a way of his future self alerting his past to something that is going to happen, like Rose and the Bad Wolf. Pharap 19:49, September 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * This topic is becoming non-related to the editing of the page, so I advise discussing this in the forums rather that on this talk page. --The Thirteenth Doctor 20:01, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

Davros?
The voice is fairly similar (though a little hard to hear as The Silence), and the motives and goals seem to align pretty well... --Witoki 13:27, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

Rename
Perhaps this would be better as the Silence. It is not conjectural, and has been called this several times both in and out of universe. Although we heard a voice, should that denote the name that we choose? The Thirteenth Doctor 20:16, July 21, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I completely agree here. Rossana refered to the Silence, the Doctor refered to the Silence, and Steven Moffat refered to the Silence. So, technically, that it's name. The Silence. Only fans called it the Voice, which is unofficial.

So yeah, we should honestly rename it to the Silence. We have felt (the pressence of) the Silence (in the form of literal silence) and heard the voice of the Silence. In both appearances, it came in the form of silence and later mentioned that silence would fall. So really, yep, we should call it the Silence. It sees silly not to. Delton Menace 06:48, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

really I thought it was the....
Master I though the silence with the Master he was using a headphone to to hide his voice but now I know it's a group so that kills it it must be a aline that we don't mat yet.