Howling:The Last Great Time War

In this forum we'll discuss the Last Great Time War. Specifically: 1. The Nightmare Child. is it physical or a mental being? 2. The army of has beens and the could have been king. What are they? 3. Is the crucible a space ship or an aspect of time? 4. How did the moment that destroyed Gallifrey work? 5.how was the Time War fought? Any ideas will be welcomed, I've found the Howling helpful in the past, so that's why I'm asking here. a Tardis contributor

For some reason this isn't showing up properly on the page. Any ideas why? (It's imamadmad but i'm not signed in) --72.14.16.184talk to me 01:22, December 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * Fixed it! Shambala108 ☎  16:24, December 28, 2012 (UTC)

1. From what the Doctor said about Davros' command ship flying into its jaws, the Nightmare Child seems to have had at least a physical aspect. It wouldn't be at all surprising, though, if there were much, much more to it than that.

2. It was "the Army of Meanwhiles and Neverweres" (not "has beens").

3. The Crucible was the Daleks' main vessel in The Stolen Earth/Journey's End. The thing being guarded (rather unenthusiastically) by the Master during the Time War was the Cruciform (the word just means "cross-shaped").

4. What we know of the Moment (& it's not much) is that it burned ten million Dalek ships in a second & that the Time Lords burned with them.

5. Again, we don't have much to go on.

There's another question that I'd like to add to the list:

6. Who or what imposed the time lock?

The Doctor has consistently spoken of destroying the Daleks & the Time Lords, thereby ending the war, as something he did. He has equally consistently spoken of the time lock as something that happened or was done but not as something he did. Rassilon & his accomplices knew about the time lock (& spoke of it as a familiar, established fact) in what was, for them, the last few hours before the Moment was used. They expected the Doctor to use the Moment & they'd (apparently) only just found out that the war was about to end -- but they were already aware of the time lock. It wasn't news to them. That makes it seem as if the time lock was something unrelated to the use of the Moment. --78.146.181.218talk to me 15:08, December 31, 2012 (UTC)

The nightmare child could be some kind of specially engineered black hole. Army of meanwhile a and never where's probably has something to do with time travel. Imamadmad ☎  01:06, January 1, 2013 (UTC)

From the names, the Army of Meanwhiles and Neverweres & the Could've-Been King sound like they came from a possible timeline that (except for the war) didn't actually happen. That suggests time being rewritten, which fits with a time war. The Partisan's description of entire planetary populations being killed off, then resurrected "by Time itself" only to be killed off again suggests the same thing but also suggests that it had run out of control. That also fits with the Doctor's statements. (I was 78 but I'm 89 now.) --89.240.254.14talk to me 06:21, January 1, 2013 (UTC)