User talk:DrWHOCorrieFan

Hi there. I was wondering why you keep adding spaces to the infoboxes of the pages you're editing. Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon ☎  13:07, 26 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Please see Template:Infobox Individual. That is how infoboxes are copied and pasted, without the spaces some other wikis might have. Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon ☎  13:16, 26 April 2022 (UTC)


 * If you are doing it to have uniformity with other Wikis, please don't. We have our own internal rules and conventions, and it ultimately serves very little purpose.


 * If you believe that this change, however, should be implemented, as it is such a large, site-wide change it would necessitate a Forum discusssion. If the change was accepted, you wouldn't have to implement it manually, nah, we've got bots that can do it much faster. 📯 📂 13:22, 26 April 2022 (UTC)


 * In relation to your message on my talk page, I'm confused. You want uniformity but are going against the template page which most editors copy and paste onto pages? Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon ☎  13:24, 26 April 2022 (UTC)


 * And yet you'll notice that the overwhelmimg majority of pages do not have the spaces. Look at how many you've added today. Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon ☎  13:27, 26 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Yet they're uniformly lacking in spaces. Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon ☎  13:30, 26 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Alright, time for me to step in properly now that dialogue has been initiated, as I see tones are getting a bit heated. To begin with, User:DrWHOCorrieFan has a point that @User:Jack "BtR" Saxon, your initial edit summaries might have been somewhat unfriendly in their wording.


 * But on the object-level issue, Jack and User:Epsilon the Eternal are correct that just because other Wikis do things one way, doesn't mean you should try to bring Tardis in line with it. See Tardis:When do local rules prevail? for more discussion of this. You shouldn't upend the way things are done on hundreds of page without just cause or due discussion, even if it's in this sort of generally harmless way. Also, since it has no effect on how things display outside of source-mode, it's overall a waste of editing time that you could be using more productively in other areas of the Wiki. Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 13:34, 26 April 2022 (UTC)


 * That's fair enough on tidying the infoboxes in the process. Thank you for that!


 * Regarding the lack of written policy on the matter, it may not be stated as a rule, but note that the preload templates you can choose from when creating a new page use the space-less version, so it's coded into the Wiki's very CSS that our style guide is not to have the space. But that's almost irrelevant. The main point is that even if were not written-down policy, "how we do things across thousands of pages" is just not the sort of thing that a user should attempt to individually upend without discussion — certainly not once other users start objecting. Insisting on doing so anyway because the current way of things is technically not written-down anywhere would run up against the spirit of Tardis:Do not disrupt this wiki to prove a point. Trying to be a rules-lawyer helps no one. Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 13:54, 26 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Sorry if that was unclear, but I was not claiming you had broken Tardis:Do not disrupt this wiki to prove a point, merely explaining that it could be argued that you would be doing so if you did insist on carrying on with these edits.


 * I'm not sure what to make of your two infobox examples. Sure, the second is uneven in width, if that's what you mean to highlight? But… much like the spaces thing, this has no effects on how it displays. As such, it is not necessary to "even it up", regardless of the spaces thing. If that is what you meant about "tidying up" infoboxes, this isn't really useful either. If you're editing a page for another reason, feel free to do the width-up-evening thing, but it is not something that it is necessary to do in its own right. Again, please try to focus your editing efforts on things that actually affect the Wiki as experienced by readers. Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 21:20, 26 April 2022 (UTC)


 * I don't think the thing about duplicate argument follows? But fair enough about the OCD thing, it hadn't occurred to me. Apologies. Feel free to "correct" the widths-thing, then, if it does indeed have marginal benefits that no actual downsides are there to outweigh. However, previous points about the spaces-thing stand. Other Wikis are irrelevant: if consistent we must be, precedent and the preload template concur that it should be consistency on no spaces.


 * (I'm replying regarding the messages to and from Epsilon in the section below.) Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 23:33, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

Epsilon and presenting as an admin
Hi! You are correct that User:Epsilon the Eternal isn't an admin and should not speak with the authority of one (although bolded text, in and of itself, isn't really an issue).

However, I can't help but point out that you yourself, in going off to reprimand him, acted in much the same way of "telling [other users] what to do/what not to do". So, uhm, please don't do it either. If you have concerns about another user's behaviour, either engage dialogue with them in a friendlier tone than that, or, if you fear that such dialogue is unlikely to succeed, call on an admin to intercede with more authority; but don't take it upon yourself to scold other users or order them about, even if you feel they're in the wrong. Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 18:36, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Epsilon had already seen your message, and, since he edited your talk page, will also have seen the above one. I felt that adding yet another message would have been redundant. I can post a message on his talk page if you still think it's necessary, but, again, I have every reason to believe he will be reading this very post.


 * (Re: the custom signature — I absolutely see how you got the impression it was a marker of adminship, but just to be clear, it is in no way a privilege of admins: any FANDOM user can create one! The mark of an admin is the peculiar mauve tint to how the user-name displays by default.) Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 23:33, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

Message directed at me on Shambala's talk page
Hey! Setting aside our present disagreement on the object-level issue, please take your latest edit at User talk:Shambala108 off that page and transfer it to User talk:Scrooge MacDuck: it is clearly directed at me, not at Shambala (you refer to her in the third person), so it doesn't belong on her talk page in general principles. Furthermore, Shambala explicitly dislikes other users arguing on her talk page as though it were a regular article talk page.

Replying to the object-level issue, the message you quoted is not explicitly about naming. Perhaps you meant "isn't that breaking…" to be about page-naming, but this wasn't clear to anyone but yourself. The discussion was about whether to have the pages at all, and I, for one, interpreted that comment of yours as being about that, as well. Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 20:01, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Recent edits
Hi there. Just a reminder that everything needs to be sourced, so I've gone ahead and added "(PROSE: The Torchwood Archives)" to your recent pages. I was also wondering why you've chosen to ignore the recent discussions and continue adding spaces to the infoboxes. Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon ☎  19:27, 4 May 2022 (UTC)


 * I'm not policing your edits. You recently created a page which I viewed and noticed that it did not have a source as is required. I'll concede that my message could be construed as accusatory, but that wasn't my intention. Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon ☎  19:37, 4 May 2022 (UTC)


 * It isn't the job of admins to act as a go-between. I'm going through your edits from the past few days because they all need the same changes (e.g. minor edit to the infobox and italicisation of "Alice in Wonderland"). Do try your best not to add the spaces. Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon ☎  19:50, 4 May 2022 (UTC)


 * If you look through my contributions, you will see that I have done nothing but revert vandalism since 27 April, none of which involve you. You've made an incorrect assumption there.
 * Secondly, I refute having made any "nasty statements" about you whatsoever. If I came across as accusatory in this instance, it is perhaps that it's surprising that you would continue to add these spaces given the large amount of discussion regarding this a few days ago. You've given your explanation and, in good faith, have not accused you of T:BOUND or anything like that.
 * Thirdly, if you do feel that you are being harassed by myself or anybody else, do inform an admin so that they can decide if you are indeed being harassed and if any steps need to be taken. I've brought up the sourcing and the spacing and see no need for this conversation to continue unless you choose to. Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon ☎  20:04, 4 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Those edits were made after I messaged Nate Bumber. Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon ☎  20:16, 4 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Since 27 April and my message to Nate Bumber, I made seven edits; three of these were reverting vandalism, two were correcting spelling, one was a message to Epsilon about said spelling and one was reverting an edit which was not vandalism.


 * I edit here very regularly and it is unusual for me to go seven days with only as many edits. As all but one of the edits I have mentioned were reverts/corrections, I said that I had done little but revert vandalism. This seems not to have strictly been the case, but I did not expect to have to defend this statement.


 * You seem to believe that the editors here are against you. This is not the case. You were very much far from my mind when, seven days after the recent discussions, I responded to Nate's message. Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon ☎  20:42, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

Re: Move
Hi, the technical reason that you can't move the page is that it is move locked (see the logs here). However, generally, non-admins should not move pages as it is common community consensus that only admins should move pages (I believe the reason for this is that non-admins cannot fully perform the required clean-up as they can't delete pages but I am unsure about that). The template adds the page to a table at T:SPEEDY that admins can then work through. This system can be frustrating but, until there are forums to properly overturn it, we are bound by current policy. Bongo50  ☎  17:08, 7 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Oh, good point. Bongo50   ☎  17:32, 7 May 2022 (UTC)