Howling:The End of Time/ The Time War

Could it be that The End of Time takes place during the time war? Stick with me here, I do know it is a war in time so I could be wrong, and I admit it. The narrator is telling the story, which the viewer is to surmise is to them, but at the end of the episode is talking to the time lords. i do realize that they are "trapped" and he was telling them a story, however the next episode has an excerpt from the time war, as shown by the clip that was released by the BBC Geffe71 16:51, December 27, 2009 (UTC)

The clip for The End of Time part 2 confirmed it, but at The End of Time part 1, they are seen as having survived it. The most likely situation is that it has been unlocked, and so it is leaking. The Ood say that events that have happened are happening again. That say it all- the war must have been unlocked, and so people can see it happening, and so the Time Lords may be able to survive by escaping it this time. Delton Menace 16:58, December 27, 2009 (UTC)

Ah, now I understand what the elder was talking about. the time war is happening (events that have happened are happening now) and converging with present day (the lines of convergence are being drawn across the earth) which heralds the end of time. Geffe71 17:29, December 27, 2009 (UTC)

Another theory I have seen is that we know RTD is going to do a somewhat reset on what he's done so far so the end of time is the end of time.. as we know it as the time lords are back and back in control, manipulating it to suit their own desires --92.14.205.28 19:11, December 27, 2009 (UTC)

Not going t to work out like that. If time was reset, how do the spin-offs continue? Because they are. If time was reset, there would be no immortal guy called Jack, the Doctor never would have met Sarah Jane again, everything that happened on modern day Earth from the Doctor meeting Rose to the Master new return would be wiped clean. Not happening, as we can see. From a leaked line in series 5, there is reference to the events of Doomsday and The Stolen Earth/Journey's End, too, where the Doctor is ranting about the Daleks because they come back, and he mentions how he sent them into the Void and saved reality from them before.

The timeline rest would also contradict River Song, too. If it was all reset, the the Doctor wouldn't have met future River Song to then travel with her at some point in her past and his future (which will be a future series, presumably). He meets her a second time in series 5, but she doesn't know him. Timeline couldn't be reset because Silence in the Libraray/Forest of the Dead needs to have happened and is connected to an episode of series 5. In the first episode of series 5, the 11th Doctor is wearing the 10th Doctors ripped and damaged (from the events of The End of Time) suit. He has the same Sonice Screw Driver to start with, too. Even the same TARDIS at the start. Reference will also be made to Donna at some point after the events of The End of Time, hence River's knowledge of her.

Near the end of The End of Time, the Doctor simply does back in time (well, it is assumed he went back himself) to January 2005 to see Rose from before he met her, and he tells her she is "going to have a great year," refering to her soon-to-be year travel with him, too. So nope, no timeline reset.

What he seemed to mean was that he is bringing the Time Lords and Gallifrey back for Moffat, simple as that, probably. Delton Menace 20:11, December 27, 2009 (UTC)

Didn't say it was right, just one i've seen. Also, his companions could be with him when the reset happens, sheilding them from the world outside. Also, no one said it had to be permenant! Anyway, it's not my personal opinion, I just think that the time lords returning is something to do with the masters beats, the 6 billion masters and certain elements of the time war bleeding through time and space, eventually unlocking the time war --92.14.205.28 20:22, December 27, 2009 (UTC)


 * The teaser is obviously set on the last day of the Time War, before either the 8th or the 9th Doctor destroyed Galifrey and the Daleks. And wasn't it sayed that there will be some flashbacks? But the Time Lords will also appear in the present Doctor's time line, in one trailer you can see the 10th Doctor hardly wounded kneeling kneeling in front of the Time Lords with an angry face. 79.216.212.240 20:37, December 27, 2009 (UTC)

I believe Delton is correct. The reset is RTD going back to his beginning concept of the doctor being the last of his race because of the war and making the time war or a part of it happen now to bring back the time lords and Gallifrey and in a way "start with a blank slate" for Moffat so SM does not have to run with RTD's established "one time lord" story. In a twisted way making "Rose" to "The End of Time" sort of an alternate timeline that corrects itself before season 5 (not a story plot mind you, just a way of thinking about it). Sounds like a rant, probably is. just the way i see it if the time lords truly return for good. '''To make my thought clear, 8 was the last one to deal with the time lords. The war, 9, and 10 are RTD's interpretation, and before 11, RTD brings back the timelords to undo his story of the last of the timelords. That makes way for SM to do what he wants with the timelords as if the last 4/5 years were a alternate timeline''' Geffe71 20:46, December 27, 2009 (UTC)

Agrees, but not quite with the alternate timeline part. As I said, there are references to the past few series in series 5. And yeah, series 5 is more of a transfer. The TARDIS remains how it is now, I believe, but changes at some point in the series. The same aplies to the Sonic Screwdriver. I think the Doctor says something about the world almost ending or time almost coming to an end in his first episode of series 5, and as I said, he has Tenth's suit, and it is all torn from The End of Time (the preview for part 2 shows Ten with blood and cuts and he looks like he is/has been fighting). Delton Menace 20:53, December 27, 2009 (UTC)