Howling:The Whoniverse timeline is not linear and fixed, which creates problems here.

On here, the Whoniverse timeline has all stories down in the same, linear timeline. The problem is, that is not how it works in the Whoniverse. Good examples are how Dalek (no Daleks recorded in history in 2010, not even on the Internet) took place prior to The Stolen Earth/Journey's End in the series episodes, but then Amy of Ghosts/Doomsday and The Stolen Earth/Journey's End, and even Daleks in Manhatten/Evolution of the Daleks and Victory of the Daleks came along and put a huge 'DALEKS' stamp in Earth history. For goddness knows, The Pandorica Opens/The Big Bang will likely feature the new Daleks in 2010.

We have Daleks spanning from 1930 to 2008 or 2009, canceling out the events of Dalek. Every action the Doctor makes in his personal timeline will change the timeline he exists in. His actions leaod to the Daleks invasions in the 21st century more-or-less (if he hadn't of caused the creation of Torchwood, the Daleks wouldn't have been summoned, and therefore Dalek Caan wouldn't have resurrected Davros, which caused the latest Earth invasion and canceled out the events of Dalek).

Doctor Who is a constant battle of time, really. Some things are meant to happen, others can be negated. We knew Torchwood had existed prior to the Tenth Doctor causing its creation because his future self already casued its creation. As seen, originally, there had been no Medusa Cascade incident, only the Torchwood incident. Other examples occur with The Mysterious Planet: originally, Earth would be moved and rennamed. The Time War, fought across time, changed the timeline inside and out, as Steven Moffat (the very same man who mentioned that Doctor Who doesn't have a true continuity, only changing time) has said in the past. One of these changes was Earth's ultimate fate. With the Time Lords gone, time is now more prone to being changed than ever before. If an event isn't fixed, it doesn't need to happen.

But the big problem here is the attitude regarding the timeline: it's all linear and everything does happen in this one linear timelinne. That completely ignores what both the show, the writers, and the Doctor say: in Doctor Who, there isn't a true and fixed continuity, and the Doctor's time traveling changes history all the time. Time is in flux, it can change.

Why do so many here ignore all of that? Are some of you so stubborn, you can't bare the thought of Doctor Who not being in a linear, resricted timeline where everything is simply fated to happen? Delton Menace 14:18, June 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * One word - Cracks! They probably removed the events or they were so small and kept under wraps (Daleks in Manhattan, Victory of the Daleks) that no one knew outside of a few people who were probably told to keep quiet about it. The Torchwood incident will probably have another crack which would cause a major change in the timeline - Rose would probably be back in the normal universe. I don't know how Moffat will work this though. Although, Amy may not have seen the Daleks due to them being in Scotland at the time and the Daleks were only in London for a short period of time before they were sucked into the Void. 14:23, June 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Vincent and the Doctor further pushed the issue regarding the attitude toward the timeline on this wiki. What're we going to say, "2010: the Doctor and Amy saw a monster in one of Van Gogh's paintings and then went back in time" and then say, "but this never happened now, as time was re-written so that the monster was never paintined." There are a lot of issues here, but the timeline is one of the biggest ones due to treating it like everything happens, ignoring the fact that various stories have been erased from it, time is rewritten, ect... Delton Menace 20:23, June 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * I was just wondering if little things can be changed then why not go and rescue adric. In the old series I always thought that you couldn't change any history but in the new series he creates new timelines alot. I accept that fixed points can't be chnaged thats fine but if some events are in a flux surely adric would not be a fixed point the doc could just teleport in there and get him out the frieghter would still crash. The doc has brought down harriet jones government, and surely the daleks attacking earth wasn't meant to happen as they killed harriet jones. So I accept that say if his companion gets killed in like a major battle he cant go back and change it, and I accept that some powerful beings can change history but still things like adrics death should be able to change. I always thought that it was meant to be in doctor who if you change fixed important points of time to much then the universe will begin to unravel. Maybe that is what the cracks are, think so many fixed points have been changed over the last few years, Doctor saved adeilade, Caan rescued Davros from the nightmare child the Daleks attacked earth all these invasions like canry wharf must have changed at least some fixed point in earths history after, think if the aliens tried to invade in 1970 and they didn't destroy the earth, they didn't even destroy a city but they were flying everywhere then peoples attitudes would change so much that history would go completely different, people would be scared of aliens ET would never get made so many fixed points would just change. Maybe because so many fixed points [not the ones in a flux] have been changed all of history is unravelling and fading away events are vanishing and eventually everything is gonna go and the doctor is gonna have to find some way to stabilise it perhaps thats what the pandorica is and when he does that all the things that have been erased will come back Daleks Cybermen etc. I do love the idea that it was the doctor that caused these dalek invasions by creating torchwood. The adric thing is the only thing that bothers me the rest makes sense, though alot of people say he hasn't gona back to save adric because he is so unpopular. User:Winehousefan: 22:10, June 5 2010, [UTC]