User:SOTO/Forum Archive/Inclusion debates/@comment-28743561-20190216032054/@comment-1432718-20190612045803

Before giving closing arguments, I want to make something clear that most posters have got completely wrong: we don't determine validity based on the mention of a character. We have a ton of stories that mention the Doctor and that are ruled invalid. There is no occurrence of the word "mention" in Tardis:Valid sources.

And despite what one user posted above, forum threads can be and have been closed summarily if the basic premise of the thread is incorrect. If you'd like some examples, leave a note on my talk page and I'll dig them up.

Ok on to the nitty gritty. This story is invalid on this wiki. For one thing, the quotes posted by User:Amorkuz don't give any definitive statements that this story is intended to be set in the DWU.

But more specifically, it is explicitly stated in Tardis:Valid sources:
 * "While we do have articles on the original comic series itself, the entirety of the character is not up for discussion here. Basically, Death's Head is valid to us only in stories directly featuring the Doctor or characters introduced in Doctor Who Magazine. If you want a full explanation of the character, go to w:c:marvel."

And User:Amorkuz' comments when closing the original thread attempting to make this story valid:
 * "This wiki does not grant validity simply for including a character that appeared or originated in a DWU story. The Big Finish Vienna series is a typical example when even a Vienna Salvatori-centred spin-off remians invalid, despite Vienna herself debuting in a DWU story.


 * This thread is based on incorrect and/or incomlete reading of our four little rules and its argument goes against multiple precedents that ruled against stories involving DWU characters.


 * This is a kind of overreach into the Marvel UK universe that was not unexpected. The condition of including The Incomplete Death's Head was exactly that it would not warrant an automatic inclusion of DH stories that were never considered to be part of DWU by their creators, be they even origin stories for any of the three Death's Heads in Marvel UK (of which he third one is not part of DWU)."

And User:CzechOut posted in another inclusion debate:
 * "See, we've got to look at things mainly through the lens of the average reader of the site. What they care about right now is The Return of Doctor Mysterio. These inclusion debates about these "random stories" are not only exhausting our administrative staff, they're distracting us from doing work on the wiki that would attract and retain our first bunch of new users in a year.


 * So I hope you will understand I'm not being mean, but looking out for the bigger interests of the wiki, when I say that I'm closing this thread and denying any motions made within it."

(All bold face print is mine, used for emphasis.)