User:SOTO/Forum Archive/Inclusion debates/@comment-4028641-20170222073756/@comment-24894325-20170226000409

User:SOTO/Forum Archive/Inclusion debates/@comment-4028641-20170222073756/@comment-24894325-20170226000409 You see, I asked for a simple thing. There should be millions of these quotes around if anyone before you ever thought of connecting the two. I mean they're promoting the movie right now. They have been promoting it in the UK, right? Just imagine yourself, being a fan of DW, and doing the interviews. You would have never stopped talking how you wanted to be true to the source material. I gave you an easy way to gain an upper hand by beating me with those quotes to death.

You response is very telling for me. When I ask for a quote and get ridiculed for even thinking the quote is needed, it means there is no quote. It means, no member of the cast and crew ever cared about DWU continuity to mention it even once.

And yes, I want this to be explained to me in the movie. Yes, I want Daleks to plot the return to their universe and the final defeat of the Doctor. Incidentally, I want them to kill Joker as impure. Because that's what Daleks would do.

But the rules of this wiki are, as already was mentioned, "no speculation" and "only valid stories count". We cannot speculate what the authorial intent was. We cannot derive it from the authorial intent of LD and LEGO Ideas set, as if there is a narrative or crew connection between them, as if we have a trilogy with common actors and common producers.

And, courtesy of SOTO, there is a quote of the authorial intent behind the Daleks: SOTO wrote: The only reason Daleks are in the movie is because they wanted a villain that is not from an American show. This is authorial intent. Let me break it down for you: if 1996 movie pilot were successful and Doctor Who became an American-produced show, Daleks would not have featured in this movie. That's all I need to know about the narrative connections to DWU. There are none. Daleks play the role of a generic foreign villain and are chosen as the most famous among foreign sci-fi villains. It is, essentially, the same reason why villains in the Golden Compass movie spoke Russian and why Hans Gruber from Die Hard had German accent: namely, random choice with a dash of current political climate and cultural cliches.
 * To me, you want to find characters who are internationally known. You want to find stuff that's not just US centric. The Daleks are there for that reason.

Rule 4 does not mention a character from DWU. It requires the story to be set up in DWU, period. Perhaps, DWU is behind one of those portals, which would make this part of DWU. I'll grant you that they have established the means of easily connecting to DWU. But they chose not to make the connection. And that's all there is. At this moment in time, the connection to DWU (or to LD for that matter) is purely speculative. It's like Osgood being the daughter of Tom Osgood. It was intended from the very beginning (as explicitly stated by Moffat), it is heavily hinted at in at least three media I know of. But until it is stated explicitly, "beat-by-beat", it belongs to "Behind the scenes" section only. The case of DWU being behind those portals is much weaker.

I've made up my mind. This story should not be valid. There will be no consent on validity. If an admin decides to rule it valid, it will have to be with my dissent (which certainly has happened before with much more experienced dissenters than me).

Unless, of course, new evidence is uncovered, be it in the DVD features, interviews or future releases.

PS And no, we do not have to fast-track this movie to make life easier for future releases. If there even will be future releases, they will have to be judged on their own merits rather than based on somebody being once upon a time respectful to DWU in LEGO Dimensions.