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OttselSpy25 wrote: The only way we can call the Shalka Doctor the "Ninth Doctor" is through out-of-universe logic. But by the same logic, we also can figure out that this Doctor was likely meant to be Doctor #8, but we never see that in the comic so it's never mentioned on his page. It's hinted what incarnation Shalka is in, but never out-right said.

In that sense, I think it's totally a rational plan to simply treat both Shalka and Party Animals equally the same. Erm, it's never implied that the actual Doctor in Party Animals is a particular number incarnation. It's an unspecified future one, with a possible implication it's the incarnation seen (or rather, heard) in the Audio Visuals. But if we're going down that path, that Doctor has to be the ninth, as Stephen Payne comes before. A more apt comparison here would be Man with the Rosette and the Master.