User:SOTO/Forum Archive/The Panopticon/@comment-6032121-20190202144408/@comment-6032121-20190203151747

You misunderstand me.

What I am saying is that Yana is a different person from the Master (Derek Jacobi incarnation included) and deserves a separate page for the same reason we have a separate page for the Tenth Doctor and for John Smith. Information about the Derek Jacobi incarnation in general, and all his Big Finish adventures, would remain on "The Master" as per Tardis:The Master, and the "Yana" page would be solely about the friendly human inventor who had no idea what his fob watch was.

The core of the old debate was that we couldn't really do this because we knew practically nothing else of the Derek Jacobi Master than what he was up to as Yana. But now that the War Master series has shown us what the Derek Jacobi Master was like before the Chameleon Arch, it becomes trivially easy to speak of him and of Prof. Yana as different entities.

With all that we have on him, I am pretty sure we would have a separate page for John Smith even if we grouped all incarnations of the Doctor on "The Doctor". The key factor is that the Chameleon Arch humans don't have continuity of consciousness with their Time Lord selves and often grow an independent personality. For all intents and purpose they are different individuals.

Of course, you may disagree with this. You might say that John Smith was still the Doctor. But then what justification is there for his having a separate page? Yeah, he's technically a different body than the Tenth Doctor, kinda, but so is the Twelvfth Doctor we follow for most of Heaven Sent, and he too has forgotten some things that happened to the original Twelfth Doctor, yet we haven't made a separate page for him, because for all intents and purposes he and the Twelfth Doctor are one and the same.

Both "Yana" and "John Smith (Tenth Doctor)" live or die on the same battlefield of whether they're to be considered individual people or not. I don't see a justification for keeping the one and not the other.