Template talk:Doctor Who

Phrasing
"DOCTOR WHO STORIES & ASSOCIATED SPIN-OFFS" probably doesn't help the average user who comes across this template understand what's going on and instead just confuses them with how sparse it is. Najawin ☎  03:26, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Perhaps I should rename it to "DOCTOR WHO (N-SPACE)"? I dunno, feel free to suggest something. I'm personally unhappy with what I currently called it, due to the inclusion of cast and crew, etc. Epsilon  📯 📂 03:31, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Maybe? I think we should just bring this up as part of the Massive N-Space Thread That We'll Be Doing First Thing When The Forums Are Back. Najawin ☎  03:39, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
 * With that said I quite like what SOTO just did. Najawin ☎  04:22, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Conflation of two topics
It seems to me that this template has grown a bit past its remit, and is beginning to conflate actual instances of things we know in-universe to be attached to the in-universe version of the franchise with things that are merely references to people who have worked on the franchise out-of-universe. (There is a third instance here, one where we can reasonably attach their existence to the in-universe franchise through out-of-universe reasoning, or conjecture, such as BBC production team, but I'm not particularly concerned about that issue just yet.)

But pages like Niki Haringsma (For the Girl Who Has Everything), Timothy Dalton or Michael Moorcock (In the Sixties) have absolutely nothing to do with the in-universe franchise. We can quibble over things like Ayesha Antoine, but those three instances absolutely are a different sort of thing than the actual phenomena of a Doctor Who franchise existing in the DWU and some people from OOU having IU counterparts who are confirmed to work on it.

While I'm not against documenting these things, it seems to me deeply misleading to group them together, and would suggest at the very least a separate navbox. Najawin ☎  21:20, 29 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Hmmm. The point of this navbox, like with other navboxes such as and, is to collate info relavent to a topic, even if there isn't in-universe information to do so. Hence the conjecture notice at the bottom of the navbox.
 * If this information wasn't collected here, about in-universe versions of people who are connected to Doctor Who out of universe, where would we compile the info? On the Behind the scenes section of Doctor Who (N-Space)? If so, then that would be a long, unwieldy list. An out-of-universe page about this topic isn't helpful either.
 * Hence why I created this template. Epsilon  📯 📂 22:30, 29 December 2020 (UTC)


 * But this template was originally created to be about the N-Space series, and associated people, etc, not merely things/people associated with the series out of universe who have in-universe counterparts. You literally created it with the title "Doctor Who stories & associated spin-offs". The pages Timothy Dalton etc have literally nothing to do with Doctor Who (N-Space), so clearly they wouldn't belong in the BTS section of that page. Nor are they similar at all to the phenomena discussed in the rest of the template. If you want a new template, say, "N-Space counterparts of Doctor Who cast and crew" (and maybe then add in related people as well, like authors for books), that's a different manner. But it really has nothing to do with Doctor Who (N-Space). Najawin ☎  22:56, 29 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Don't tell me that I did someting that I did not do. From the very beginning I included individuals on the template like Lalla Ward, despite her having no connections (yet) to the in-universe series. And yes, individuals like Timothy Dalton do have something to do with the in-universe series, from an out of universe perspective. Templates are also out of universe, so including links to pages like Timothy Dalton is useful for readers and prospective authors who might want to know if a certain real world individual exist in the DWU.
 * Just today, I discovered a wealth of new info in the A Letter from the Doctor series, that has already given me an in-universe source for Peter Capaldi, as well as info yet to be added, such as pages for all the in-universe Doctor Who Storybooks. Epsilon  📯 📂 23:42, 29 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Forgive me, "the template purported to be created about the N-Space series originally". That doesn't refer to your intentionality, merely the facts of the matter. The things you're referring to aren't useless, they aren't things I'm suggesting we do away with. I'm rather pointing out that they're not the same sort of thing as the phenomena of the in-universe franchise. I have suggested, since my very first comment, that these things still be documented, and documented in a similar way to how they currently are. It's the grouping of them with the N-space series that I object to. These are qualitatively different things. Nothing in your comments begins to respond to this. (Also, saying that Timothy Dalton played, for instance, Rassilon, in the N-space series, is not something we can know OOU. It's just complete speculation.) Najawin ☎  23:58, 29 December 2020 (UTC)