Talk:Jenny (The Doctor's Daughter)/Archive 1

Relationship to Susan
This article says that Susan would be Jenny's nice. I think it's forgetting the possibility that Susan could be Jenny's daughter. 96.45.196.227 18:50, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * That would mean he would have to know about her since his first incarnation AND she is going to survive... and he doesnt either. --TakeruDavis 16:18, October 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * In theory, Jenny could be Susan's mother without screwing up continuity. However, I think the chances of it happening are slim to none. It's far more reasonable to assume Susan is simply a niece.-  I. Am. Excalibur-117-(talk • contribs) 16:36, October 17, 2010 (UTC)

Time Lords a race?
Are the Time Lords a race, cause some sources e.g. REF: Doctor Who: The Encyclopedia says that they are but various sources mentioning before the Time War e.g. TV: The Invasion of Time seem to suggest that they are more of a society? Which of it is it to be? Or is it not certain?

Also is under the Infobox Race category is a Female Time Lord called a Time Lady because humans are sometimes called Man and a male human is also called a man but women is not a species name so is Time Lady?--Skittles the hog 19:35, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

-- This is better asked on the article on Time Lords, but from my understanding of it, the current canon is that "Time Lords" are a race, and that is how RTD expressed his opinion on the status of the Doctor as being a Time Lord, not "half-human/half Time Lord".BlackEarth 16:48, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

If she was a time lord, then why does the doctor acknowledge the fact that he's the only time lord left? 90.202.74.73 11:58, June 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * He thought she died didn't he. 12:05, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

Time Lords not a race
from http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Time_Lady "Time Lords may also be referred to as Gallifreyans, though it is not certain if all Gallifreyans were Time Lords, or the Time Lords were only an elite echelon of Gallifreyan society." Jenny might genically be a Gallifreyan but is not trained as a Time Lord 64.129.127.5 17:09, 16 June 2008 (UTC) if she has not been trained as a time lord that would explain why the doctor cant sense her like other time lords her "time brain" has not been telepathically trained


 * First, sign your comments!


 * Second, this may be the case, but it's pure speculation. It's also somewhat discredited by the Invisible Enemy and the Great Time Lord Intelligentsia. Pardon any misspellings there, it's not an everyday word. =) --TheOmnius 13:54, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

In my view, Time Lords ARE a species, the evolution of the common Gallifreyans. DO you remember The Sound of Drums/The Last of the Time Lords? Time Lords became what they are due to exposure to the Untempered Schim. Because of that, their brains can understand more about time and (Possibly) the regeneration energy. Also, in 'The Girl Who Waited', Time Lords are said to be a 'Two-hearted species'. I'm sure that Time Lords are a species in the new series context.

Inherited characteristics
Like her father, Jenny has two hearts. She also had reflexes, precision timing and acrobatic ability far beyond that of almost any Human. After her death, she shortly returned to life, expelling a "breath" of pure energy, though, unlike other Time Lords undergoing regeneration, she did not change physically. (TV: The Doctor's Daughter)it was due to her only being a few hours old that caused her to enter a healing trance like the doctor did in the christmas invasion

I've removed the last bit from the above quotation. In addition to improperly citing the Christmas Invasion, a complete lack of capitalization and a host of grammar mistakes, it does not cite anything to support the conclusion.

Fan conclusions are fun, and regardless of whether they may be right or not, this wiki isn't the place for them. --TheOmnius 13:52, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm really confused! Why didn't she change her appearence when she regenerated?

The gas exhaled from her longs during her revival was the same visually as the gas in the terraforming device, not what you see during regeneration.141.210.244.157 04:28, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

The effects are the same, actually. There is some debate as to whether she revived naturally or was somehow resurrected by the Source.

She didn't regenerated. Indeed, the Source revived her due to being the last death on that 'war'. I believe that:

a)She had no knowledge about Time Lords and this ability, unlike Melody Pond, who said 'I can fix it' in The Day of the Moon. All Time Lords had Time Lord education and knew about regeneration.

b)She do not had a full life cycle, being conceived by a machine, so did not had the ability.

c)She didn't regenerated simply because it was a simple injury that her body already knew she would survive.

d)She wasn't exposed neither to the Time Vortex (Melody) or the Untempered Schism (Other Full Time Lords)

My theories about her...

An Other Referance
well if the doctors race are sterile then couldn't her mentioning that the doctor has had children before be a referance to the other being the doctor?67.158.15.172
 * Though it has not been definitively stated, it appears that the BBC Wales production team doesn't consider elements of the Virgin New Adventures to be canon; the most obvious example of this is that Last of the Time Lords showed a Gallifreyan child, whereas Lungbarrow says they emerge from the looms as adults. Monkey with a Gun 01:57, September 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * Heh. It doesn't seem like they consider much in the way of prose or comic canon, actually. If you watch closely, they've even now set up better plausibility to excise more TV story bits from continuity. In any case, they also made references in Gridlock (TV story) and The End of Time (TV story) that don't jibe with that. Also, they very obviously ignore a lot of Sarah Jane's after story from the novels. ComicBookGoddess ☎  05:16, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

Possible Regeneration
Is it posible Jenny could have regenerated, but it was a abort regeneration as it was the first fifteen hours of her life meaning any wounds would have healed itself such as when the Doctor has his hand cut off. Nacho2333 22:26, July 7, 2010 (UTC)

Clone?
On several pages of this wiki (but not this page itself) it says that Jenny is a clone of the Doctor. I got the impression that she wasn't a clone exactly (I mean, for starters, a clone would look exactly the same). I got the impression that, despite technically being born out of asexual reproduction only using the Doctor's DNA, the replicator thing (you'll have to excuse my memory, but I'm referring the the machine that made her) then dealt with the variation that you get during normal sexual reproduction and also changed her slightly, so she wasn't a clone, but more of a forced asexual offspring with variations ... (If you don't understand anything I said, I apologise, Biology isn't my strongest subject, please ask me if you want me to clarify me theory) --Ima Wiz Iway amway Imagineway Izardway. 14:48, April 2, 2011 (UTC)

I dunno. I always saw her as a more of a clone than a daughter in a similar way that the comic book character X-23 is a teenage girl cloned from Wolverine and also has some differences to him other than the obvious gender difference (she only has two claws per hand instead of three but has a claw on each foot which Wolverine doesn't).86.23.60.110 16:54, April 2, 2011 (UTC)

It's actually pretty easy to make a female clone from a male; just include two copies of the X chromosome rather than one X and one Y. Of course that assumes Gallifreyan genetics are similar to those of humans and most other Earth mammals, but they'd have to be much more similar than that to explain hybrids (Susan's son, Leela's son, possibly the Doctor himself), and for that matter to explain why a machine designed to clone humans would work on the Doctor at all. Needless to say, changing the sex of a clone will cause pretty major phenotypical changes, despite not introducing any new DNA; you won't just get an identical-looking person with different reproductive organs.

Also, clones aren't completely identical in the first place--less so than identical twins, who share 100% of the DNA like clones, and also share the same womb environment unlike clones. On top of that, while the current biotechnologicals way of creating clones (look up "somatic cell nuclear transfer" and "embryo splitting") both involve exact DNA replication, it's possibly to create clones by effectively creating an egg and sperm from the same donor and fertilizing them, which would mean recombining the donor's parents' DNA in a different order. (I hope that was readable by laymen without being too inaccurate, but it probably failed in one direction or the other....) --99.33.26.0 02:40, May 9, 2011 (UTC)

The Doctor describes the mechanism as a form of parthenogenesis. 69.165.163.236talk to me 05:14, November 14, 2012 (UTC)

Presuming the Time Lord cellular biology is similar enough to human - and as the machine actually works, it's not as big an assumption as one might think – then there's still no stem cell or ovum involved, and the skin cell sample did not seem to reach into the dermis. That means that whatever the machine is doing, it still needed to extrapolate a version of the cellular machinery from differentiated cells at the very least. As they're finding in the lab, a great deal about how you come out is based on structures outside the DNA, in the cell processing it. So, two options: Jenny really is meta, albeit with a significant transfer of unusual genetic capability; or (and River really makes this sound more like it) Time Lords are very like humans on the level of cellular machinery. --ComicBookGoddess ☎  05:24, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

Partial Time Lord?
Jenny is under the category partial Time Lords, although dialouge in the episode seems to indicate that she is a full time lord. Should I change this?


 * Would be speculation, unless we see her again and learn more. --ComicBookGoddess ☎  05:25, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

Regeneration?
The article states that she was revived by the Source. Yet there is no indication in the episode that this is possible. Is there some source for this, or should it be assumed that she was revived using the canonical 15-hour-regeneration-cycle healing ability?--89.101.183.99talk to me 13:34, October 19, 2012 (UTC)

It might well be that the power of the Source was enough to trigger a partial regeneration. Or that her Time Lord...ness enabled her to harness the Source in some way. It's something of an open question that, if she ever does come back, may be explained later.


 * And she might, possibly, be a full Time Lord, genetically. We don't know for sure, and, for that matter, neither did the Doctor. --ComicBookGoddess ☎  05:27, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

Father
The article mentions that the Tenth Doctor was her father and not the Doctor. Does that mean that after Tenth's regeneration to Eleventh Doctor that she has no parents any longer? --DCLM ☎  12:20, March 23, 2014 (UTC)

Tenth Doctor father and mother?
Technically, the tenth Doctor is both father and mother, but a recent edit removed the |Mother = Tenth Doctor part. Is this an OK edit? Or should it be reverted?
 * Sign your posts, and technically, she has no mother. There are lizards whose males die, and the female reproduces asexually; the lizard is the mother, not the mother and father: there is no father of these lizards.--104.32.214.184talk to me 19:39, June 7, 2014 (UTC)

Relation to the Ponds
Recent edits in Jenny's info box list Amy and Rory as [step]-grandparents, which, by a stretchy technicality, is not wrong. It also lists River Song as a second mother, seemingly due to her being married to the Eleventh Doctor. This marriage is also the cause of the relation between the Williams and Jenny. I am just wondering, rather than run an edit war (because it seems just... Wrong, for the info box to contain this, in my opinion), if it is actually entirely appropriate to put those relations in the box. It risks much speculation (which is not what this subject or page is for), but I would wonder if the regeneration difference would matter when deciding this. Masterpwn ☎  01:44, April 14, 2015 (UTC)


 * All of that speculative and fanfic-y info has been removed. Shambala108 ☎  01:48, April 14, 2015 (UTC)