Howling:Battle of Medusa Cascade never happened

Okay, so are we all agreed that the Dalek invasion of Earth and the subsequent Battle of the Medusa Cascade are still erased from time by the Time Cracks? 195.188.243.175talk to me 14:45, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

Well, since no episode after The Big Bang has really discussed the issue, and The Big Bang itsself left it rather ambiguous, I don't think that we can make an assumption one way or the other. We can't even be 100% sure that the invasion was actually erased. Maybe Amy stayed in her house throughout the invasion, and any Daleks that came into her house fell into the crack in her wall, causing her to forget them. I'm not saying that that is particularly likely, but it is a possibility. We also can't really use the fact that characters in Torchwood and Sarah Jane still don't believe in aliens, because I don't think that anybody would be too surprised by that even if it hadn't been for the cracks. I'm sure that UNIT or Torchwood or somebody came up with some lame coverstory that most people believed within hours the Earth being returned to its original location. Even in The End of Time, which featured a major event that would be at least as hard to ignore as the Dalek invasion was, Mr. Smith was able to come up with some BS coverstory, and most people would rather believe that the WiFi malfunctioned than that an alien took over all of their bodies and a planet materialized in the sky. Icecreamdif talk to me 15:51, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

Could it have been something to do with the Men in Black, as seen in DW Dreamland and SJA The Vault of Secrets? We know they possess the ability to wipe people's memories of aliens, as Mister Dread does to Gita at the end of the latter story. I'd prefer this explanation over the Time Crack one, but the Crack is the more popular explanation among fans. I once dared to suggest alternative reasons for the forgetting of the Daleks over at Gallifrey Base, and it did go down well with most people. 82.2.136.93talk to me 18:19, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

In the Sarah Jane episode, didn't they say that the MIBs' operation had been shut down for decades, and now all they did was protect the Vault? I could be wrong, because I've only seen that episode once. Anyway, if I'm wrong then it could have been the reason that everyone's forgotten, but I don't think that there's anything wrong with the reason that the show's been using for decades to explain humans forgetting several millenia worth of alien invasions. In the Doctor Who universe, people are willing to overlook almost anything out of the ordinary if they have a more convenient explanation for it. Throughout the years there have been armies of plastic dummies, Loch Ness Monsters in London, Cybermen knocking out everyone on the planet, ghosts becoming a normal phenomenon, the Master broadcasting a message about the destruction of the universe, the US president being murdered by a floating metal sphere on TV, the list is endless. People have always simply refused to believe in obvious proof of aliens, even before the cracks were around. According to Children of Earth, most people still weren't convinced that aliens existed even after Journey's End.Icecreamdif talk to me 18:36, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

Even if you only saw The Vault of Secrets once, you remembered correctly. Mr. Smith said the Alliance of Shades had been disbanded in 1972 and Mr. Dread said that all the MIB had been doing since was guarding the vault. Sarah Jane noted that the most recent of the press cuttings also dated from 1972. There might have been a few other little pointers to the same date that I've missed but those will do. Both Sarah Jane (to Rose, in School Reunion) and the Doctor (to Ace, in Remembrance of the Daleks) referred to the Loch Ness Monster -- singular, please note -- and the Doctor was specifically talking about the human capacity to overlook such things. --89.242.67.155talk to me 21:18, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

Well I personally reckon that thousands of Daleks swarming all over the planet devastating civilisation is a lot harder to just ignore than a lot of the stuff that's happened in and around the London area in past DW stories. I can't see people deliberately ignoring such a massive thing, which is why some other agency would have to have restructured the memories of the population so they remember the past somewhat differently, a kind of mental conditioning. But who would be able to do such a thing, and why? 82.2.136.93talk to me 22:27, February 16, 2012 (UTC)