Talk:Planetary Relocation Incident

Rationale
See Talk:Skirmish at Tranquil Repose. This is flatly absurd. This kind of article needs to be rooted out of this wiki. Except in very rare cases articles should not be created for events or things that have no names. Battles in particular do not deserve their own names/pages unless the name is given in a primary source.  Czech Out  ☎ | ✍ 06:59, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

For Deletion

 *  Czech Out  ☎ | ✍ 06:59, 29 July 2008 (UTC), per arguments at cited Talk Page.

Against Deletion

 * The evil dude - A proper event that happenes deserves an article, even if it hasn't got a name. The War in the Medusa Cascade was on a massive scale, for one the Earth was moved, and two, the Daleks attacked every major city and major military base. Its either War in the Medusa Cascade or The Daleks flew in their spaceships to Earth to destroy every military base that poses a threat, while UNIT and others defend themselves, making a war because it would be happening in lots of places around Earth.
 * Tangerineduel 07:33, 29 July 2008 (UTC) Well perhaps 2009 Dalek Attack on Earth. But 'War in the Medusa Cascade' isn't really correct, the only battle happens on Earth.
 * Indeed keep the article, it is a good one, but the title is not particularly dalek-ish perhaps 'Dalek Invasion of Earth in 2009'
 * I say keep it, it is an important event. The Skrimish at Tranquil Repose was, as the name suggests, just a skirmish. However, as others have said, a new name might be good. I thought up the name after The Stolen Earth, if I remember rightly, and it wasn't clear if just Earth was involved in conflict with the Daleks or whether other planets would be. Journey's End seems to make it clear that the entire Dalek fleet was around Earth, as illogical as it would be that the other inhabited stolen worlds wouldn't try to stop the Daleks. So, with no evidence to the otherwise, we could just have two "Dalek Invasion of Earth" articles, one for the 22nd century and one for 2009, this being the latter. Although, there was the destruction of the Crucible as well, and that wasn't on Earth.


 * Dude851884 - I like it. It was a great event and this article has great potential. I think it should be called the Battle of the Cascade though.

Decision
With four signed votes against deletion the prop delete has been removed. Discussion on the name can continue without the prop delete tag. --Tangerineduel 15:18, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Setting?
It says "June 2009" in the sidebar thing. This can't be so; it would have to be pre-Easter, as per the reference in Planet of the Dead. Permission to change? Apparently it's due to the spin-off novel "Beautiful Chaos", but that setting would be a mistake on the book's part.Bttsstewart 08:54, May 7, 2010 (UTC)

The Waters of Mars puts this in 2008.-- 11:06, July 14, 2011 (UTC)

Cracks assumptions
I removed some assumptions regarding the cracks in Season 5. All we know is they erased the memory of the invasion from Amy Pond's personal history. We do not know whether or not the event itself has been removed from history (which would cause some major problems with regards to rectifying Adelaide Brooke's history). Although an upcoming episode may indicate further, all we know is the Doctor guessed that the Cyberking incident of The Next Doctor was erased from history; he made no suggestion that the Medusa Cascade incident likewise was erased. Even if this isn't addressed directly, we can't say for certain unless a future DW or Torchwood episode indicates that no one remembers it. 68.146.81.123 18:27, May 22, 2010 (UTC)

The Doctor himself directly said she didn't remember because, oh, time is in flux, meaning the entire event could be removed from history. It's ridiculous that some people won't accept it. As soon as he notes the Cybermen and Daleks not being remembered, the first thing he says, in suprsie, is that time was unwritten. The events of The Next Doctor wouldn't have happened without the Dalek invasion, meaning the former invasion never happened because the latter invasion never happened. The Doctor was the only one to remember the invasion.

And Steven Moffat has clearly confirmed that is overall stories are centered around time changing, evnets being unwritten, ect.. Also, get off your horse (which is VERY high), and get the facts: wibbly wobbly, timey, wimey explains the Adedaide thing. Time is in flux, it can change. Few events are fixed, and even then can be chaned. The cracks are the ultimate time-rewriters, aside from the Doctor. A crack in time means time will be very prone to changing. Delton Menace 19:53, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

When something is erased from time, only time travelers remember. Only time travelers who experienced the invasion remember the invasion if they traveled prior to it.

Still unwritten from time?
Do we really know for sure if the Dalek invasion hasn't been restored to history after "The Big Bang"? 82.2.136.93 11:09, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

No, it hasn't, as seen when people are shocked to see spaceships and barely anyone believes in aliens in The Vault of Secrets. According to Steven Moffat, it's gone forever as their intention was to make it that the world wasn't aware of aliens on a public level. He explained that in The Big Bang, the only things that would ever be brought back were the things Amy could still remember -- her family. Things only came back if Amy remembered them, and he explained that is why the invasion is gone forever. Delton Menace 09:19, January 16, 2011 (UTC)

Amy didn't remember her parents either, but they came back after the rest. EJA 13:19, February 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * I just added a line with relation to this question. It clearly hasn't been unwritten from time because Adelaide Brooke became a space explorer because of it, and Waters of Mars established that she is a fixed point in time, so therefore the memories of the invasion had to remain with her. 68.146.70.177talk to me 18:38, March 20, 2012 (UTC)

Adelaide's going to Mars and dying in the year 2059 are fixed points. Events in time prior to this can be changed without negating this. 82.2.136.93talk to me 16:40, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

As much as I don't like it, because I think they kind of do this in comic book continuity, I'm fine with Moffat erasing the invasion because then not everyone on Earth knows about aliens, which I think is better. The problem is how to explain everything else, because suicides increased in Children of Earth and another planet would've had to replace Earth as part of the reality bomb. The universe seemed to change time to fit things being erased, otherwise The Waters of Mars would be an alternate timeline. Also, in Waters it's dated as happening in 2008 instead of 2009, so maybe it was restored but with changes. Steed ☎  19:17, April 8, 2014 (UTC)

Commanders list
Considering her clearly powerful position from Pete's World, I think Rose Tyler should be included in the Commanders list, as well as possibly Martha Jones considering Martha had control over UNIT's doomsday device. 68.146.70.177talk to me 18:38, March 20, 2012 (UTC)

Name
Just for clarification because the names of some articles are difficult and stupid anyway, "21st century Dalek invasion" mirrors "22nd century Dalek invasion" and is a lot better than its previous name of "Dalek invasion of Earth (2009)." I never saw the article when it was named "War in the Medusa Cascade" by I know that's a redirecting link now. Not sure why "war" was used instead of "battle" but why is this article named like it is? I know Earth was the primary action because we never saw what happened on the other worlds, but the Daleks didn't really invade the Cascade, did they? It's like how there are 2 22nd century Dalek invasions, but shouldn't "of Earth" be added on to them, and should they be separate articles or one? Thoughts? Steed ☎  19:17, April 8, 2014 (UTC)