Talk:Clara Oswin Oswald

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Based on the lengthy forum discussion Clara: How many articles does one girl need?.

I have merged all the Clara articles. All their histories have been merged into this article's history.

This edit contains all the articles as they were when they were merged, beginning with the oldest which was Oswin Oswald working through to the newest page which was the Clara Oswin Oswald/Rewrite

All the other page names will remain as redirects to this page and remain locked and this page will remain move locked.

Now that the pages are merged they will not be "un-merged".

Any discussions concerning separate pages for the various Claras will happen at the end of Clara's story arc. --Tangerineduel / talk 14:40, April 5, 2013 (UTC)

Boldface name
Standard protocol is to used boldface on the name of the person/place/thing being described by the article the first time it appears (generally speaking at the start of the first sentence). Should this be done for each of the three names? (Ex: In one of her lives, she went by Oswin Oswald.) d ●  ●  ●   15:21, April 5, 2013 (UTC)
 * According to Tardis:Bold text, you should only use bold in the lead of the article. So if a new name is introduced later in the body of the article, it should not be bolded. Shambala108 ☎  15:49, April 5, 2013 (UTC)
 * Noted. Didn't know if this was a special case.  Sounds good! d ●  ●   ●   16:10, April 5, 2013 (UTC)

Order of Claras
Now that the decision has been made to keep all the Clara/Oswalds on the same page, I am wondering why they have been ordered in terms of their first broadcast appearance.

Personally I think that: A. They should be in chronological order (ie, victorian, modern, future). Or at least: B. Have the info about prequel Clara before modern Clara. Yes, I know we saw modern Clara first at the end of The Snowmen, but not only did the Doctor meet young Clara first, if this is kept as a single page indefinately, we could potentially have multiple seasons worth of Modern Clara info, before going 'back' to young Clara in the prequel.

In addition, I know that we have not been told that these are the same Claras onscreen (yet?) and saying so is against wiki policy, but as we pretty much all know they are the same person, it does make sense to still have young Clara info before twentysomething Clara.

Any thoughts? Geek Mythology ☎  19:28, April 5, 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't see how saying prequel Clara is the same as BSJ Clara is any different to saying The Snowmen Clara is the same as BSJ Clara. I think we should treat all three as the same character, as that is what has been implied so far. However, I do think the best order is order of appearance, at least for now. -- Snorlax Monster  01:58, April 6, 2013 (UTC)

Redirects
I noticed that the redirects from the individual incarnations just lead to the main article. Perhaps they can redirect to their respective incarnation's biography? I think that might be useful. Thoughts? --SOTO ☎ 05:58, April 6, 2013 (UTC)


 * I left them all directing to this main page without linking to specific sections as we're still unsure about how all the different versions are related (or separate).
 * All the redirects are edit unlocked so they can be changed should we wish to quite easily. --Tangerineduel / talk 14:26, April 9, 2013 (UTC)

Child Clara
With TV: The Rings of Akhaten, we now have proof that child Clara is the same as Bells Clara. The same mother is seen. --SOTO ☎ 18:12, April 6, 2013 (UTC)

We can't call her modern Clara
I've just checked the points of view guidelines, which state that:

"Articles about narrative elements — also called "in-universe articles" — are written as if the topic were real, but one that no longer exists. For this reason, they are written in the past tense."

Past tense means that words such as modern, contemporary, present, etc have no meaning and don't apply. I know "companion Clara" isn't a perfect name, and feel free to change it to something else, but something that does not go against wiki policy.

Geek Mythology ☎  10:51, April 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'm aware of all that, but "companion Clara" just doesn't cut it. For one, Victorian Clara was also technically a companion. It also doesn't have much of a ring...
 * I tried out "21st century Clara," but people quickly changed that to "20th/21st century Clara." :/
 * Any other suggestions? --SOTO ☎ 14:05, April 13, 2013 (UTC)

Suggest rename to Clara Oswald
Here's why - in Bells of Saint John 21st Century Clara clearly states her middle name is not Oswin. And there is no indication that the Oswald in Asylum of the Daleks has Clara in her name. In fact, a case can be made - if one wants to do a single article for all the characters played by Jenna-Louise Coleman - that the title of the article should simply be "Oswald" though obviously "Clara Oswald" is the dominant name as the ongoing companion, so that's probably going a bit far. 70.72.211.35talk to me 15:50, April 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * We're not treating modern Clara Amy differently simply because she has more stories. Anyways, the name: this was actually decided by the community — "Clara Oswin Oswald" encompasses all of them, and is the best we've been able to think of. We can't use "Clara Oswald," as that would entirely exclude Oswin. If you, or anyone else, would like to give other suggestions, though, they can be discussed. --SOTO ☎ 18:34, April 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * It's more a case that the series has explicitly established that the Oswin of Asylum and the Clara Oswin of The Snowmen are different characters than the Clara introduced at the end of Snowmen. Clara herself proclaims this in Rings of Anakhan. And there is precedent - a separate article exists for the Auton version of Rory Williams, for example, even though a stronger case can be made that he's the same as the human version. 70.72.211.35talk to me 14:19, April 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, she's insisted several times in this half-season that she's not the same person, but I think it's best we wait until we actually get more information about how they are related before going through the huge process of splitting or merging the page(s) again. -- Snorlax Monster  08:47, April 22, 2013 (UTC)