User talk:MrThermomanPreacher

Large spacing
Please do not add large amount of spacing in the articles. Thank You. --Bigshowbower 12:50, December 25, 2009 (UTC)

Plot on novel pages
Hi, plot does not form a part of the layout of novel artuicles, see Tardis:Format for Novels.

Additionally, please do not copy summaries such as those on the Doctor Who Reference Guide onto this wiki, this is considered plagiarism. Thanks. --Tangerineduel 15:57, February 18, 2010 (UTC)

Semi-protect
Adding the semi-protect (as you did when creating the Series 6 page) does nothing. The tag is just for illustration purposes for the articles that have semi-protection added to them (which needs to be done by admins). Thanks. --Tangerineduel 15:32, March 7, 2010 (UTC)

Flutterbird
Hey, thanks for starting a new article on flutterbirds. It's great to have obscure info like that. But i notice you've cited a specific issue of DWA for that, which is a little vague. Are you saying it comes from a non-fiction prose article within the magazine, or that it comes from the comic strip? If it's the former, you should cite the article it comes from in a more formal way, like this:

and then at the bottom of the article, add:

My own Doctor Who Wiki
Hi, since I've been gone for a while, I've come back and made up a thought that I am going to create a Doctor Who Wiki about Series 5 and if you'd like to edit. Or if you don't want to, that's fine. I'll tell you once it's ready! --Trikster87 16:56, April 29, 2010 (UTC)

It's not copyright, it's my own and I'm offering you to come and edit but you don't have to. --Trikster87 17:37, April 29, 2010 (UTC)

Template case
Hi, when creating template make sure everything (aside from names) is lower case. For instance 'Korven Stories' should be 'Korven stories'. I've moved the template to correct this. Thanks. --Tangerineduel 17:32, April 29, 2010 (UTC)

Jixen Page
Don't revert pages unless you have a good reason. The original page was poorly written and didn't follow the manual of style. Specifically:
 * 1) It didn't use proper citations for episodes.
 * 2) The episodes use the same prefix, so there's no reason to repeat it in the infobox.
 * 3) The Life Cycle section is for species which have complex life cycles, like the Wirrn. If it's just a single line about lifespan, add it to the biology section.
 * 4) Speculation on the Jixen reoccurring isn't needed and saying they're the second "most major" isn't important (especially if the Korven and CCPCs are apparently both "most major").
 * 5) If there's no external links, don't add an external link section.
 * 6) The category:species is a vague super-category. If the Jixen fit in a sub-category (which they do), you don't add them to the Races and species category. -✍  15:45, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

The Pandorica Opens
Please stop adding in categories on the pages of those that did not appear. Weevils were seen and pictured on set, but did not appear on screen so are not listed as so. And the Slitheen were mentioned, not raxicorricofallapitorians. Thank-you. The Thirteenth Doctor 21:25, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

Copying events
I've notice that with a few pages, you've just copied and pasted what happened to certain characters from one page to another, such as Churchill and Bracewell's pages. Please don't do this in future as each page should be written individually and not contain the exact same wordings of events. The Thirteenth Doctor 13:14, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

Spoilers
Please don't add spoilers to main article pages as you did on the Eleventh Doctor's page. Even adding in the nav-bars for future appearances in SJA is considered spoilers, so please don't do so. Thank-you. The Thirteenth Doctor 12:54, June 27, 2010 (UTC)

Tense
Thanks for sorting out the tense on the Richard Mace article. I made a mess.--Skittles the hog 21:09, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

You're Welcome. --MrThermomanPreacher 21:15, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

K9 TV series
Hey, how do you watch the K9 TV series. Is it online? Or are you able to watch it on TV? I'd like to watch it so I was wondering if there was any way to do so. The Thirteenth Doctor 09:55, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

I watch it on Youtube, the first 21 episodes are on it and i expect the remainder will be uploaded soon. MrThermomanPreacher 09:58, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

Categories
Hi, when creating categories please make sure they're lower case Category:Bounty Hunters should be Category:Bounty hunters. Thanks. --Tangerineduel 06:16, August 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * Just wondering why you removed the categories on the Doctor Who title cards page? --Tangerineduel 11:32, October 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * You didn't see comparison between your edit and the previous edit, there were no categories on the page, I've added the title card category and removed the ones I edited before. --Tangerineduel 12:05, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

Headings
"Profile" is not a heading. Do not use it, substitute it with things like Biography, History, Biology etc.--Skittles the hog 13:44, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

Battles in Time info
Thanks for updating the Battles in Time information with the new species that batled the Daleks, its proving an interesting read. Revanvolatrelundar 19:56, December 9, 2010 (UTC)

Change to your user page
I just realized that I changed your user page by mistake. I was trying to categorize some pages that existed only in un-created categories, and your user page, for reasons I'm not quite sure, was in an uncreated cat called Infobox templates. I switched it for a couple that seemed appropriate to what was on the page. If you don't like this change, obviously feel free to revert. I'd revert it myself, but I'm not sure if you were genuinely trying to put your user page into a valid template cat or not. If you were, those two would be appropriate.  Czech Out  ☎ | ✍ 09:11, January 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi again. Yanno, I was actually wrong, above, to have put the page into "real" categories.  Turns out it's a violation of tardis:user page policy to put your user page in categories that make it appear as though it's a "real" article.  This includes putting your user page into categories for templates.  It makes it harder to do maintenance on the template categories if they include pages not in the template namespace.  Template categories are only for those pages in the template namespace — e.g. those pages that begin with template:.  User pages can only be intentionally categorized in categories that are relative to the user: namespace, such as Category:User en.  Sorry for the confusion.

Hi.
Just saying Hi, Mr.ThermomanPreacher. And by the way, it was me who said 'You are on both Primeval Wiki and Doctor Who Wiki' on the Primeval Wiki. From 90.215.45.50 17:42, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

Sentence case
Please note all heading should be in sentence case. This is part of the MOS. Thanks. Mini-mitch 18:35, February 1, 2011 (UTC)

Paradox Lost
Hey, just wanted to tell you why I deleted your work at Paradox Lost. This page has been created and deleted several times now, and it's never improved the quality of its info. The main rule it offends is tardis:spoiler policy, which holds that it's just too soon to put this article up yet. I know there are a lot of story pages here which don't have much more information. The difference here is that there can't be any information yet (because the story is months away from release), whereas other empty pages relate to stories long since published. The former we don't keep; the latter we do. This deletion in no way reflects upon you or your contributions, and is purely administrative. Please don't take it personally.

--Tangerineduel / talk 14:38, March 23, 2011 (UTC) 23:22:10 Fri 01 Apr 2011

Vandal.
I come from the Mass Effect wiki with a warning. Their was a vandal that originated from our wiki(as far as we know) and has done over 500 vandalism edits, he has also moved to atleast eight different wikis including the Call of duty wiki, World of warcraft wiki, and the L.A. Noire wiki. If you see a guy by the name of lancer or spithog98, thats probably him(just so you know this guy mimics other users, there is a real Lancer by the name of Lancer1289, you can contact him here for more information. I am going to stay here and help monitor this wiki until I can determin that he wont come here or he has been stoped.Legionwrex 23:06, April 30, 2011 (UTC)

Avoid over-captialization
Hey, thanks for creating a whole flurry of articles lately. One thing, though. If you're creating an article about an unknown person, please take care to avoid over-capitalization. Take, for example, Delivery Man. "Man" isn't the guy's last name. It should be possible to link directly to the completely uncapitalized, ordinary noun delivery man. We shouldn't be forced to type delivery man just to be gramatically/stylistically correct. Yes, in cast listings we do want to reflect the typography we see on the screen. So if we see "Delivery Man" in the credits, we'd list in that way in our cast list. But the actual article itself would be "Delivery man". (Technically, too, people with ordinary titles should be "future-proofed" by adding disambig afterwards, like delivery man (Tardisode 7). That way, when another delivery man shows up in the credits of some future episode — and he will — we don't have to go back and unlink this one.)

Again, thanks for continuing to edit here, and if you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask. 18:17:59 Thu 19 May 2011

Mini-mitch\talk 17:41, June 10, 2011 (UTC)

Images
Please ensure that you remove black borderlines when you upload images. Thanks Skittles the hog-- Talk 17:41, June 20, 2011 (UTC)

Mini-mitch\talk 14:51, July 6, 2011 (UTC)

Minimum standards for articles about production personnel
Heya :) Thanks for adding in new pages for behind-the-scenes personnel!  Coupla points, though.  All real world personnel articles must:
 * start with real world
 * contain an external link to their IMDB page (using imdb name), except for those very few people who don't have an IMDB page
 * contain NameSort, so that the page is automatically sorted by surname in categories
 * have a list of the specific episodes/serials they worked on. While a crew member's series is in transmission, as with Miracle Day, you may say that they "worked on ''Torchwood: Miracle Day", but you should leave behind TV crew stub to alert readers that the article is at a very early stage of development.

You may find it easier to use the preloadable formats, rather than building a page from scratch, because the preloadables have the minimum structure already in place.

To retrofit an IMDB listing onto a page without one, just use the imdb name template.

Thanks again for your efforts, and if you need additional help, please don't hesitate to ask. 16:04:38 Wed 27 Jul 2011
 * In your recent round of page creations for Escape to LA, I thank you for using real world and the especially valuable NameSort. However, I must again ask you to please take the 30 additional seconds necessary to include a link to the person's IMDb page with imdb name.  Also, if you're going to do no more than give a person's role in TW, please use TV cast stub or TV crew stub so that it's clear to other users which cast and crew articles need expansion.


 * As always, thanks for your continued edits here. 16:17:16 Sun 31 Jul 2011

Why create talk pages?
Why are you creating talk pages with nothing on them? --Tangerineduel / talk 13:12, August 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * Because, it implies that because the talk page is active there's a discussion happening. Instead...there's nothing. The fact that a discussion page exists says to anyone looking that there's something that needs to be discussed. And if there is something that needs to be discussed, relating to all those templates the forum would be a better place to start a discussion relating to so many templates. --Tangerineduel / talk 13:21, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

Past tense
Just a reminder, all pages, including timeline pages must be written in the past tense, see Tardis:Manual of Style. Thanks. --Tangerineduel / talk 14:48, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

MM/ Want to talk? 20:37, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

17:11:53 Mon 22 Aug 2011

City of the Damned characters
Thanks for adding pages for the City of the Damned characters. Could you do me a favour, though, and please move any which have simple adjectival names to Name (City of the Damned) — and don't leave a redirect behind. They're such ordinary, common words we don't want people accidentally linking to them. Chances are, they'll be linked nowhere but ZEPO and COTD pages. We don't want people getting a valid blue link and/or pulling up a page in a search by entering a common word or phrase. So, please move silly, mournful, humble, nervous, Slightly Angry, Very Angry, Need-to-Know, Will-to-Live and daft. Big Hate can remain un-disambiguated cause that's not really a common phrase. Thanks! 15:06:54 Fri 26 Aug 2011

EastEnders and all that
Hey, nice work with the Dimensions in Time pages, but could you go back and make sure the gender is correct in each of the "behind the scenes" notes as some of them currently say "he" on pages about females. Could you also add in-line references, so (TV: Dimensions in Time), at the end of the sentences. Thanks

MM/ Want to talk? 22:27, October 1, 2011 (UTC)

boron
I'm hiding in your toilets, waiting for your kids to take a crap and then see their vag/penis Bootervloot talk to me 17:47, October 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * This user has been blocked for a year because of this message. If you would like to remove it, and I could quite understand how you might, you have permission to do so,  user page policy notwithstanding. 14:48: Sun 16 Oct 2011

Timeline pages
Hey, thanks for your work starting new timeline pages. Please remember, though, that a year must actually be mentioned before you can start it. You can't start a year page if you have to qualify the existence of the year by saying "around " or "circa ", and leave it at that. We need a specific mention of a year, or a rationale based on solid calculation to start a year page.

For instance, if the story is definitely set in 4050 and a character named Jason Blah tells a tale of something that happened "twenty years ago", we can start an article for 4030 with the language, "According to Jason Blah, 4030 was the year in which ".

A particular danger with timeline pages is going to some other DW reference site, and using their dating without verifying how they got that year. A good rule of thumb is, if you don't have the book/episode/comic story in front of you, don't create a timeline page. DW timeline pages are notoriously subjective. Everyone wants to create the perfect DW timeline, and they'll do whatever it takes to try to make one with as many entries as possible. Frequently, this means that they've added some level of conjecture. We cannot accept someone else's word on the timeline. You can use one to trigger a bit of research — it's fine if another person's website sends you in the direction of a book — but it cannot be used as a sole sources, as a fan website is not a valid source.

I've deleted a few of your new page creations today. It would be really helpful to me if you could go to any year pages you may have created without reference to the primary source — or any pages that use the language "circa", "about" or "around" — and put the tag delete on it. Thanks :) 14:48: Sun 16 Oct 2011

An Isomorphic Question
Hello. I just wondered if anyone could answer my question on Doctor Who:

In the episode A Christmas Carol the Doctor said there was no such thing as Isomorphic controls, but in the episode The Sound of Drums he clearly saw the master use an Isomorphic Laser Screwdriver??

Can someone leave the answer on my Talk Page.

Oliver 18:17, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

Vandal blocked
The vandal who created that... unpleasantly named page has been blocked and the page has been deleted. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. --Revan\Talk 17:04, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Body part articles
Please stop creating articles about body parts for the time being. I've opened a prop delete discussion at head, and we should have a bit of a natter before other similar articles are created. Yes, heads exist in the DWU, but have they ever actually been defined? That's the real problem in creating an article about a ubiquitous thing. 22:41: Sat 22 Oct 2011

DWBIT sourcing
Oh, so you're the guy who does this! What in the world does the reference DWBIT 39 mean, as at 3667 and 3682? You need to include a story name, please. It's like giving a reference to a point about Beep the Meep as (DWM 19) rather than (DWM: The Star Beast)

I know you don't normally respond to me on my talk page, but could you please make an exception in this case? I've never understood what these little (DWBIT #xx) refs are, and I'm very curious about them. 21:36: Sun 23 Oct 2011
 * Ahhhhh. Well, then you can't use it as the sole source of an in-universe article, like a year page. Non-narrative sources cannot be the only basis for an in-universe article, per T:CANON.  They can be used to supplement things, so you could mention it on, say, Dalek, in the behind-the-scenes section.  But you can't include it within the in-universe section of an article, or use it as the basis for an in-universe article. 21:44: Sun 23 Oct 2011

MM/ Want to talk? 17:43, October 28, 2011 (UTC)

Decade pages
Please immediately stop creating empty decade pages. It has been a long-held goal of this wiki, with discussions available for your perusal in several threads (typically all containing the keyword "timeline"), to rid the database of precisely these kind of useless pages. You must have either a definite occurrence of a reference to the decade, or something meaningful to say about the decade (backed up, obviously, by narrative citation), for such pages to be created.

Timeline pages absolutely may not consist of simply a list of other dates.

Thanks for your help in trying to create timeline pages, but please remember that the goal is not just to have a page for every year, decade and century in existence. Timeline pages are still part of the normal article space, and the normal guidelines apply to them. Chief amongst the guidelines is that there must be DWU narrative mention or specific real world relevance of all topics on the wiki. If you have any questions about this, please ask them on my talk page. 18:16: Sat 29 Oct 2011
 * Nope. The presence of a year is not sufficient cause for the creation of a decade page, nor is the presence of a year sufficient cause for the creation of a century page, and so on.  There was a time where that was sporadically done on the wiki, but after a lot of effort, we got rid of those type of pages.


 * See, we used to have a ton of pages that said nothing. In fact, if we allowed the sort of thing you were trying to do, we'd have 2011 pages starting from the page 0, which would be a disastrous waste of time and effort.  Yes, a numbering system obviously implies the existence of the "bits in between", but we need for our pages to actually have meaning.  A redlink means that nothing happened in that year — or that we haven't yet discovered if something happened in that year/decade/century.  And that's a valuable thing for our readers to see.  It's better that they see a gap than that they see a largely "false" blue link.


 * Finally, timeline obviates your list of years the decade. Basically you were just creating pages that said the same thing twice.  There's never a need to create a list of dates so long as you're using timeline.


 * It is completely sufficient for most decades to be represented by category pages, not pages in the main namespace. So, category:2380s is fine and even necessary; 2380s is not, unless there's a positive narrative reference to it.


 * For these reasons, your decade pages are being deleted by automatic process. 18:40: Sat 29 Oct 2011

20:20: Tue 20 Dec 2011

1849
Is 1849 specifically mentioned in The True and Indisputable Facts in the Matter of the Ram's Skull, or are you extrapolating based on real world end of Edgar Allan Poe's life? 20:24: Sun 25 Dec 2011
 * Per T:CAN, REF works are secondary sources. They may not be used as the sole source behind an in-universe article.  You've given the source of The True and Indisputable Facts in the Matter of the Ram's Skull, but really it's The Discontinuity Guide.  You've plainly misrepresented the source.  The article will therefore be deleted.  Please use only the stories themselves for in-universe articles.  REF sources are only valid as behind the scenes notes.  03:05: Mon 26 Dec 2011

Specify incarnations please
In your newly-created article, 1624, you pipe switched the incarnation of the Doctor. Please remember that, according to T:DOCTORS,  is preferred over. Thanks :) 16:51: Sat 14 Jan 2012

--Tangerineduel / talk 14:21, January 16, 2012 (UTC)

Romana
Please note that T:ROMANA requires you to link to the specific incarnation of Romana and to display that incarnation number. So in future, please use, not. Thanks :) 21:05: Fri 23 Mar 2012

Audio stories
Hi, I was just looking at the layout of Destination: Nerva and back at the history (I know it was back August last year that you created it). Anyways, when creating pages for audio stories the format of the subheadings is marginally different from TV stories. It goes - Publisher's summary, Plot, Cast, References, Notes, Continuity, External links. For more information on the layout see Tardis:Format for audio stories. --Tangerineduel / talk 14:39, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

Image links
Hi :) Thanks for trying to create a template which provided a link to an image category.  I changed and locked your version, however, so I wanted to tell you why.  For reasons of design integrity, we want the links used for character image categories to be the same as the links used on TV story pages.  We also want the template to function in a way that's easy to understand.  If at all possible it should work on the majority of pages simply by using the template name.

For these reasons, your template has been rather radically altered, and is now at. Please see the documentation there for further information. is being stripped from pages and will likely be deleted by the time you read this. 00:36: Mon 09 Jul 2012

Merge tags
Hi. When using the merge tags add them to one article. Not both. Because when merging we need to know which article to merge into the other. With for example Navigational Officer and Navigation Officer there is nothing on the pages (or the talk page) to suggest which to merge into the other. Thanks. --Tangerineduel / talk 05:19, September 6, 2012 (UTC)

Source check
Please give your source for the actual names Ten-Six-Five and Ten-Six-Six. If it's in Doomsday, please give a time code, cause I can't find it. Thanks :) 16:54: Wed 30 Jan 2013
 * Sorry, could you be a bit more specific? Which confrontation?  Can you give me an approximate time code or more precise locational information, please?   22:49: Wed 30 Jan 2013
 * Transcripts don't count for us. You should know that by now. :) Anyway, thanks for being more specific.  I was able to find it.  No wonder I didn't find it; it was well before they're actually in open dialogue with the Daleks.  I think I was thrown, too, because the they make a big point of not self-identifying to the Daleks during the scene you described.  23:08: Wed 30 Jan 2013

Spine
Nice one, really. That was an awesome edit. ComicBookGoddess ☎  02:27, March 9, 2013 (UTC)

User page blanked
I blanked your user page today because it was wholly broken by unclosed div tags, and because it contained a number of redlinked files, inimical to maintenance of Special:WantedFiles and other similar reports. I blanked it to stop new users from freaking out if they come to your page. Please conduct experiments on sandboxes, where new users are less likely to arrive. You have a lot of edits with us, and people inevitably click on your name in history reports. Newbies simply can't be greeted by the broken mess that was your user page. 02:44: Fri 26 Apr 2013

Hezrah
Hi! I noticed that you were the page creator of Hezrah and the one who labelled it a planet. I get the impression from the story that it is more of a city, specifically because of the following two quotes: Could you explain your reasoning for labelling it a planet? Thanks! Shambala108 ☎  05:50, June 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * "It was a two-mile march to the Sanctuary of Stars in the very centre of Hezrah."
 * The Sanctuary of Stars dominated Hezrah's skyline."

K9 cast
Since this diff indicates you were the one who added the cast to Dream-Eaters, and your name is all over the K9 TV story pages, I'm gonna assume that you are largely the source of cast information for that series. The thing I can't work out is where you're getting your info. As broadcast, K9 stories barely had any cast information beyond the regular/recurring cast and stunt performers playing the CCPC, and maybe the single most important member of the guest cast. There's nothing like the list you gave at Dream-Eaters in the as-broadcast end credits. So what's your source? 17:30: Sat 08 Jun 2013
 * I'm looking at the end credits to Dream-Eaters right now and there's only two names in the end credits. I've randomly pulled a few other episodes, looking at copies from both Net10 and Disney XD transmissions, and none of them have anything more than recurring characters, the principle guest star, and the CCCP stunt people.  Were you looking at a DVD copy?  Oh, and I'm not talking about extras necessarily.  I'm talking about people with lines.  To give specifics, the only people I can source on Dream Eaters are:
 * Robert Moloney, Keegan Joyce, Philippa Coulthard, Daniel Webber, John Leeson (titles) and
 * Robyn Moore and Connor Van Vuuren (credits)
 * That's it. Seven people.  And yet you've got a whopping 36 names on the list.  So where'd they come from?  Are they DVD credits?   19:33: Sat 08 Jun 2013
 * Wow, that's crazy. I'm looking now at the Net10 TX and you're absolutely right. I wonder what kinda legal magic allowed Disney to truncate the cast list like that.  Okay, well, thanks for answering.  This is gonna change our policies a bit.  19:58: Sat 08 Jun 2013

TDW
It's great that you want to start pages on individual TDW episodes. However, I urge you to stop. We need to think about a format for these pages first before we continue creating them. They should not use the documentary format, because they're not documentaries. A whole new format and infobox news to be created so that the pages can be created quickly and accurate.

Please stop creating these pages. A format will be created in due course. We've done without these pages for five years; a little longer won't kill us.

You are of course welcome to create a sample sandbox page where you work up your idea of how the pages should go. But please don't continue creating pages by forcing a square peg into a round hole. 20:25: Sun 12 Jan 2014
 * No, they shouldn't be viewed as "like" anything else. A whole new format needs to be developed.  They have a rhythm all their own.  Indeed, there's a format for series 1 and a format for series 2, really.  We need to have sections that correspond to the segments in each series.  Once that's resolved, we can then go on to create an infobox that pulls highlights out.   20:54: Sun 12 Jan 2014

Blocked from zubat wiki
Please, give me another chance, Im pegging ya, and I have your word as a sailor (B-Fighterfan ☎  21:28, May 16, 2014 (UTC))
 * I got a better one for you, please do yourself and all of us a favor and accept the fact that you're not welcome on our hub anymore. COntinuing to harass us like you are is only going to get you globally blocked from all of Wikia. Your blocks will NEVER be undone. It is time you found something more productive to do with your time than harass our admins for another chance that you will NOT be given. We've told you that I don't know how many times now.

The Witch's Familiar
According to T:OFF REL, you can't add info about new episodes until the top of the hour after they air. The Witch's Familiar finished at 8.30pm, so we can't edit it until 9pm. Your edit to The Master - list of appearances (and several other pages) was therefore reverted, but I've just restored it as the info can now be added.

Page moves
Hi! Please note that per Thread:128198 only admins are allowed to move/rename pages. Regular users do not have the ability to perform some of the steps. Thanks. Shambala108 ☎  18:20, November 15, 2015 (UTC)

Moving pages
Hi! In future, if you would like a page moved to a new name, please use. When a user moves a page, it leaves an unnecessary redirect behind that has to be deleted. 21:37, January 20, 2016 (UTC)

Something you probably don't remember from 2012
Hi, recently I've been adding info from the Survival novelisation and I seem to have run into a slight problem with your edits on Antari Two and Antari Three. You seemed to think that First Frontier (novel) offered a different account on the Master's actions in the Antari system than Survival (novelisation). Survival says that the Master successfully started a war in Antari, while your edits say that First Frontier says that he tried to start a war, but was unsuccessful. The only mention of the Antari System I could find in the novel was on page 189:
 * "I also needed help leaving Earth, as my TARDIS had remained on Antari Three when I had to leave Antari Two in a hurry while fomenting a war between them."

In Survival the Master tells the Doctor:
 * "It was a particularly bloody little war I'd arranged in the Antari system. It was entertaining at first but soon degenerated into nothing more refined than pure butchery.I needed a rapid exit; I followed the nearest kitling."

I see no reason why David Mcintee would acknowledge the novelisation, just to contradict it. In fact, I don't see this as a contradiction at all. Is there something I didn't find in First Frontier that says the Master was unsuccessful in starting a war? C o T    ☎  02:13, May 19, 2016 (UTC)

Torchwood teams pages
As one of the editors who contributed the most for K9 Unit's page, maybe you could put your input in | this thread. Thanks. OncomingStorm12th ☎  21:14, October 25, 2016 (UTC)

Most wanted timelines
Hi, I've noticed that you're getting the timeline pages organised/created. Nothing wrong with that. Just wanted to let you know that this has a somewhat unwanted consequence that these timeline pages land on the "most wanted" list at Special:Recentchanges. I am hoping that your plan is to create all those pages over the course of the next few days (with breaks for real life), in which case it is not a problem. I would, however, prefer to avoid having these pages as most wanted for an extended period of time. Amorkuz ☎  15:32, November 27, 2017 (UTC)

Wikipediainfo
Hi. Please note that "should never be used on real world pages. It is meant for in-universe pages only." OncomingStorm12th ☎  17:59, November 4, 2018 (UTC)

Sentence case again
Hi please read Tardis:Use sentence case thanks. Shambala108 ☎  22:13, January 26, 2019 (UTC)

Number categorisation
Hi, I see you are taking an interest in Category:Numbers (which is great because I got distracted whilst filling it). However, I would draw your attention to the way in which members of the category are being categorised since it's quite unique. It's easy for small numbers such as 15 which becomes "N 0015" but larger numbers are sorted additionally by letters; for example, 13000 sorted by "N a13000". Thanks in advance.

On a semi-related note, make sure the new number pages you create stay off Special:Lonelypages, which is why some of my early ones were deleted. Thanks again. --Borisashton ☎  20:01, April 1, 2019 (UTC)


 * As User:Borisashton stated right above this, please make sure your number pages are linked from other pages. It's very easy for me to delete a page that has no links to it, but it's a lot harder for me to hunt around and link these pages to other pages. Thanks Shambala108 ☎  16:22, April 30, 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi, I've noticed that you're taking care to make sure the new pages you create have links leading to them. I just wanted to thank you for the effort and keep up the good work. Thanks Shambala108 ☎  00:30, May 24, 2019 (UTC)

the imperator
the imperator and morbius pages should be merge i want you to merge them i also put sign to imperator page about the merge
 * Don't worry about this, I left a message on User:Doctor other's page. Thanks Shambala108 ☎  16:58, May 8, 2019 (UTC)

morbius
hi my reason is in the behind the scenes section of morbius page it is saying The Imperator is the name used for Morbius in the Faction Paradox series.you can look and there back stories are similer

Humans
Hi please read the instructions at the top of Category:Humans thanks Shambala108 ☎  23:16, May 9, 2019 (UTC)

User pages
Hi please note that it is not permitted for anyone to edit other users' user pages, including sandboxes. Thanks Shambala108 ☎  23:21, August 4, 2019 (UTC)

CyberNomads
Hiya! I've restored the CyberNomad page for you (and given it a small cleanup to show which valid story it came from). Now go make that page shine! :) --Revan\Talk 15:52, September 15, 2019 (UTC)

Orphaned pages
Hi please note that, of the 50 pages currently at Special:Lonelypages, about half of them are pages you created. You must provide a link to these new pages from another page. I've found the easiest way to do this is place a brief note (using complete sentences) in the "References" section of the story/stories in question. See any story's References section for how it works. Thanks Shambala108 ☎  00:21, September 26, 2019 (UTC)

Rename v speedy rename
Hi please do not change the links for a candidate. Those require discussion, and until the discussion is resolved, there is no cause for changing links thanks Shambala108 ☎  00:07, October 12, 2019 (UTC)

Another Doctor
If you have watched Another Doctor (webcast), can you weigh in on the talk page concerning whether it's parodical or not? If not, I don't see why it's considered Invalid. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎  00:04, November 2, 2019 (UTC)

Killer response
Yeah, I don’t mind you filling in the blanks in my sandbox, and would appreciate the help.BananaClownMan ☎  09:25, November 6, 2019 (UTC)

Sandbox assistance
By all means! I was planning to finish and publish the article soon-ish anyway but as I'm currently doing major edits to pages like Shakespeare Notebooks as well a helping hand would be greatly appreciated, especially in the "legends" and "complete unknown" subheadings. --Borisashton ☎  13:21, January 24, 2020 (UTC)
 * Hey there. This page is now located in the main namespace at The Doctor in popular culture that so everyone can work on it. Also, I made sure it was moved to that name instead of copy-pasting the info so your early contributions are still visible in the edit history. I hope you are well, --Borisashton ☎  20:49, February 2, 2020 (UTC)

Editor of the Month
Congrats on winning Editor of the Month! Due to the current global health crisis, we won't be able to process your physical reward, an awesome Fandom hoodie, until the crisis abates, but I want to say congrats personally regardless!

Keep up the great editing! MisterWoodhouse ☎  19:19, March 31, 2020 (UTC)

Your latest edits
You are editing wrong wiki. Your edits could be written on one of the Star Trek wikis.

--14bauhr ☎  13:27, April 9, 2020 (UTC)


 * I mean that Borg cubes are not Doctor Who. --14bauhr ☎  13:34, April 9, 2020 (UTC)

Cyber-Controllers
Hello! I've noticed that you created Cyber-Controller (Doctor Who and the Tenth Planet) and Cyber-Controller (Flower Power) as distinct both from each other and from Cyber-Controller (The Tomb of the Cybermen). Is there a specific reason for this? Because especially in light of The Powers Behind the Throne emphasising the Cyber-Controller from Tomb and Attack as being the singular, Dalek-Emperor-esque mastermind of the Cyberman race, as opposed to a random individual holder of a widely-shared title inthe Cyber-hierarchy, it seems to me that the three accounts of "the Cyber-Controller as a singular guy who is in charge of all the Cybermen in the world" must clearly be referring to a single individual.

(IMO the fact that the Cyber-Controller in Flower Power looks Mondasian rather than Telosian A] is no reason for having him as separate from the one in Doctor Who and the Tenth Planet, and B] means little when we know for surethe Cyber-Controllers in Tomb and Attack are the same individual, having upgraded his Cyber-suit, showing that he is capable of upgrading himself over time.)

In light of my above points, would you have any lingering objections to a merger proposal? --Scrooge MacDuck ☎  17:56, May 5, 2020 (UTC)

Cyberman drone
My bad, then, but this leaves us once again without a term for the Series 2-style Cybermen. And yet we now have pages for every major Cyberman variant except the one most well-known to the public since 2006, which is awkward. Any suggestions as to what we might title a page for the Cybus-style design?--Scrooge MacDuck ☎  16:06, September 6, 2020 (UTC)
 * Good thought — but no, I don't think the Good Man Goes to War Cybers would need their own page. The justification of such a page would be that it would be about the Cyberman design, regardless of what universe it's from. I think the presence or lack of a "C" on the chest is ultimately trivial; note how over on the Skarosian side of things, both Dalek War Machine and Silver Dalek cover several "subvariants" each. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎  17:44, September 6, 2020 (UTC)

Supremacy of the Cybermen
Hi, I've noticed that you've created the pages Cyber-Earth, Age of the Cyberiad, etc, so I want to ask you if you've any plans to create Undercity, Capitol? Epsilon (Contact me) 12:40, September 30, 2020 (UTC)

DWBIT
Hey! Just thought I'd make sure that, as the OP, you're aware of the closure of Thread:264328, and of the suggestions for actions the community should take that I made there. Of course, you don't have to do anything, but from what you said in that thread, I thought you might want to help with the effort to get that area of the Wiki cleaned up. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎  15:12, October 7, 2020 (UTC)

Multi-Doctor Timeline
Hello. I somehow managed to overlook the Inuse template on the Multi-Doctor Timeline page and assume that you were the one to put it there. Sorry for any inconvenience I might have caused and I'll be sure not to touch it again until the template's gone. Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon ☎  15:10, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Queen of the United Kingdom?
Hiya, I hope you're doing okay. I have a question about one of your older page creations if you don't mind, specifically Anne (Queen of Great Britain), because I'm revising many of the monarch pages at the moment. You sourced Pantasmagoria to the statement that Anne was the "first Queen of the United Kingdom of England and Scotland". I certainly remember that her succession after William of Orange was mentioned but I don't recall this fact, which is especially notable if true because Anne was actually the first Queen of Great Britain, not the United Kingdom, which only came into being during the reign of George III. The title given to the article also contradicts the statement so I'm wondering if this was a bit of accidental real world leakage. All the best and thanks in advance, Borisashton ☎  22:11, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah, it's been a long time for me too. I appreciate the quick response anyhow. Borisashton ☎  21:31, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

Reality pages clarification
Please stop with your creation of "reality" pages. I know they are in good faith, but — pages such as The Doctor's reality (The Eight Doctors) are not and must not be interpreted as a precedent for the creation of pages construing every alternative account of anything in the DWU as a "reality". Take your Dr. Who's reality (The Klepton Parasites) — as the page itself shows, all the differing accounts about John and Gillian posit them as dreams, or creations of the mainline Doctor, or things in the Land of Fiction. There is not actually any valid account whatsoever that tries to posit that the TV Comics constitute "a distinct reality" in that sense. Nothing justifies this page.

Relatedly, Doctor Who isn't Marvel. Just because time is rewritten, even on a dramatic scale, does not mean that we are dealing with a "new reality" or "new universe", unless the stories use that kind of language themselves. Otherwise it's just… time being rewritten! There's no "Redeemed Kazran Sardick's reality". That's not how A Christmas Carol works. Likewise, even the accounts which present the saving of Gallifrey as an alteration to time do not talk about it in terms of distinct histories, parallel universes, etc. It's just alterations to time. Gallifrey's history (The Day of the Doctor) is fraudulent too.

There are a few in your batch that do deserve to exist — Tomorrow Windows is probably sufficient to justify The Doctor's reality (The Curse of Fatal Death), though I'm not sure about the name. But most of these just come from a very dangerous misunderstanding of why we created pages like Virgin reality. If we don't have in-universe discussion of a given continuity as an in-universe distinct "reality" or "universe" or "world", we should not create pages construing some subgrouping of DWU stories as such.

I realise a lot of work went into these pages, so instead of deleting them outright (which I think would have been unkind to you), I am moving them into your user namespace. But please understand that none of this is to go back into the main namespace, unless you find in-universe accounts treating them as realities. Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 18:49, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

Copy pasting other user's work
Hi Thermoman, several users have noticed you have a habit of copy and pasting other users' work onto other pages. this is technically allowed, but you need to give proper credit to the original author of the edit you are copying. It is also generally frowned upon because it messes with our search engine status on google and other search engines. Editoronthewiki ☎  18:01, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Changing one or two words in some of the sentences does not count. Entire sentences are the same in both your copies from Chubby Potato's work on the Time-Space Visualiser and your copies of my work on my time war origins sandbox. in the future, please rewrite the information in your own words or, if you do copy, credit who you are copying. Editoronthewiki ☎  21:08, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

UNIT Sourcebook
Hiya, I've seen that you have added information from Defending the Earth: The UNIT Sourcebook, from chapter two; while the information is from a gamebook, a breed of prose that typically is invalid, the chapter the information comes from is entirely narrative and self-contained. UNIT History — as it probably should be called — can easily be valid, especially by the precedent set by valid sources such as CIA File Extracts. Would you mind creating the page? I would, but I've got a lot of other projects on my hands right now. 18:11, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

For(u)m Letter
Hey there, I hope your Halloween was decent. As you might know, we've not had forums for over two years at this point. A few of the regular editors have been having a discussion on this topic at Forum talk:Index and we'd like the input of other prominent editors if you have the inclination. Cheers. Najawin ☎  08:25, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

BBC DVD covers
Hi, I've been gathering every BBC DVD cover image on the wiki into one of my sandboxes, in order to see where there are any missing covers or duplicates.

Pop over and have a look, and feel free to upload any of the missing covers.

User:Doc77can/sandbox12

P.S. I'm messaging several users so check the upload log first.

Doc77can ☎  20:26, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

Re: Daleks
What you're missing is a very key point: Dalek War Machines aren't a Dalek variant/rank. They are a type of Dalek casing. The Dalek isn't the casing; the Dalek is the globby little fellow in the casing.

So as I understood it, "Skaro City Dalek" is our page on the Dalek variant itself, and their casing type is covered at "Dalek War Machine" with a redirect at Mark II Travel Machine, as both names have been used for the casings of "Skaro City Daleks". "Skaro City Dalek" filled the welcome void of us not actually having a proper name for the slatless Daleks and being left to link to the casing page and use somewhat cheaty coinages like "War Machine Daleks", which was a complete mess.

Given that other Daleks than "Skaro City Daleks" have been known to inhabit the Dalek City, I agree it's not the best name, but it's relatively intuitive all the same, and better than nothing.

As for your original intent on what "Skaro City Dalek" was meant to be about — I see what you meant now, but I don't think the name was appropriate. It really sounds more like a variant/rank than a group, and indeed, has much the same ambiguity. At the end of the day I'm not sure it's a page we need — the odd accounts that play with the "Dead Planet is the end of the Dalek timeline and/or a dead-end separate from the spacefaring empire" ideas can be comfortably discussed at Thal-Dalek battle, Dalek City and indeed Dalek itself, without needing to create a separate page for the group as a "faction". Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 18:39, 7 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Think about it like this: a Dalek War Machine contains (the true body of) a Skaro City Dalek. The difference is subtle, but it's the one that exists between "a Brigadier-General" and "a Brigadier-General's uniform". In a subtle but important way, it would make no sense to say that Zeg "is" a Dalek War Machine; Zeg is a squiddy atomic mutant who operates a War Machine. You want to think of "Dalek variants" as ranks or castes normally denoted by a bespoke casing type, rather than synonymous with the casings.


 * (We've not had cause to create very many pages on casing types as distinct from the Dalek castes who occupy them, because we don't get names for those very often.)


 * As for the Dalek Earthforce, they're yet another thing, being a specific armed body rather than a variant/rank or a casing type. I suppose it's up for the debate whether the satellite dish makes their casings count as different from old-school War Machines; if we look at it as just an add-on, then the Dalek Earthforce is a group made up of individual Skaro City Daleks operating (modified) Dalek War Machine casings. Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 19:19, 7 December 2022 (UTC)


 * No, no — it's not a faction any more than Black Daleks are a faction. It's a caste within Dalek society — a rank, in essence; a particular era's flavour of Dalek drones. "Skaro City Dalek" is the status, the caste, the "job title", of a Dalek who's been assigned (well, most likely, bred into) a Dalek War Machine casing.


 * Maybe another comparison that might be helpful is a generic medieval Black Knight. Black Knights are not a faction; they're not even precisely a specific job, or a title in the usual sense of the term. But "Black Knight" and "Black Suit of Armour" are not synonymous terms even if a Black Knight is basically made such by wearing a Black Suit of Armour. You couldn't say "Sir So-and-so was a Black Suit of Armour" in the same way you could say "Sir So-and-so was a Paladin". Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 19:35, 7 December 2022 (UTC)


 * You've basically got it. Regarding the Black and Red Dalek Leader, I think we can say that their casings "are" Dalek War Machines, just with a different coat of paint; but I agree they are not properly speaking Skaro City Daleks, any more than the Golden Emperor (who doesn't have slats either). Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 19:51, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

Sandboxes
I'm a little confused by what you mean? If you mean other users editing my sandboxes, generally yes i'm opposed to that since they are, until published, personal projects. but i would also like to know what you are specifically asking to do lol Editoronthewiki ☎  16:26, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Well, first I need to admit that the post-War Dalek Empire page can't be published until we rule The Monster Vault is valid whenever we get forums back, so that page is in a weird limbo at the moment. Editoronthewiki ☎  17:52, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Seasons Greetings
Merry Christmas, User:MrThermomanPreacher, and have a Happy New Year. Sincerely, BananaClownMan ☎  10:37, 20 December 2022 (UTC).

Hold one for one second
Lets wait for it to be fully approved as a novel on that talk page before we begin citing things to The Monster Vault. If the talk page closes in agreement, we can go on a marathon of page updating. For now, however, lets wait for a moment lol Editoronthewiki ☎  17:05, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

International Electromatics
Hiya, as you may or may not be aware, I am currently Wikifying many Doctor Who tie-in websites, and I've noticed on 1986 Cyberman invasion of Earth you added a revision that claimed that according to the International Electromatics website that CyberMondans were found at Pete's World's North Pole. However, looking on the tie-in website myself, I can find no such reference. Can you be able to provide a link to the correct page (or version of a page), which contains this information? Many thanks. 17:43, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

Validity debate proposals
Hi. It's great seeing so much engagement on the temporary forums system. However, I would like to ask you to hold off a little with validity debate proposals. The intent behind this system is to allow us to discuss as many large issues that affect many pages as possible. Specific validity debates are absolutely things that need to happen, just not in the first run of threads. The majority of proposals are now your validity debates which are swamping other things. Bongo50  ☎  13:01, 2 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Note that we'd be able to achieve gallery pages for in-universe articles, as well as better coverage of all the invalid stories you mentioned, in one blow with my subpage proposal 🤗 – n8 (☎) 13:45, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Casanova
I noted your proposal of a discussion about this Casanova-related comic with interest. Could you clarify for me where that page was published / T:OFF REL? – n8 (☎) 23:29, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Appearances/mentions proposal
Regarding your newest forum thread proposal about handling mentions and other references in a similar way to lists of appearances, I just wanted to say I've been working on a post for that. Originally I was going to just suggest it in the thread that was happening about appearance lists in general, but due to some real life circumstances, I was unable to post it with ample time for discussion, so I agree it should be a separate thread. Chubby Potato ☎  00:35, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Re: Crossovers
As long as it fits within the general format the page uses, feel free to add information! I aim to have the list be as comprehensive as possible. (oh, and I'll probably just tweak it if it doesn't fit the format perfectly) Cookieboy 2005 ☎  22:13, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Map Locations
I saw you were busy creating pages for locations seen on maps. There’s a map seen in Daleks' Invasion Earth 2150 A.D. around the 47 minute mark. The map is shown twice. Danniesen ☎  18:43, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Legacy validity thread
Hey, I've seen for a while that you added this topic for potential discussion on Tardis:Temporary forums, and I'm SO very much happy about it! The reason for my message is: have you started drafting an Opening Post for it? And, if not: how strongly do you feel about you yourself being the one to open the thread?

I ask this because I was an admin/regular contributor at http://dwlegacy.fandom.com/ (so I obviously have it really close to my heart) and would be very glad to write it, in case you didn't start one/concede it to me. OncomingStorm12th ☎  02:26, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Ooh, nice! I'll start drafting, then. OncomingStorm12th ☎  14:43, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Temporary forums
Hiya @MrThermomanPreacher, I see on T:TF you have proposed a thread for commercial stories like Dalek Wars to be validated. As I have written an opening post for validating "narrative trailers" which also covers commercial stories like Dalek Wars in its scope, do you mind if you want to merge you proposal into mine/@OS25's and pool the votes of support? It'd mean there'd be fourteen in total and likely enough to launch the thread as one of the next. 17:28, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Dermot and the Doctor
Hi! Hope you are doing well!

So I'm reaching out to you because someone that's been done recently over at T:VS is different users combining their submissions in order to be more efficient.

I currently have a submission that is a "speed round" of random smaller stories that are currently deemed invalid. As you can see at my sandbox OP, I have included a finished argument for validating TV: Dermot and the Doctor, among several similar stories.

My intention is to include ten mini-topics in this post, and so far I have five finished prompts.

Basically, what I am asking is if it would be alright for me to combine your submission topic for Dermot into my submission topic for the Speed Rounds. This would mean that we would have 11 total supporters, meaning the forum would likely cover this topic a lot quicker.

Be sure to get back to me with your thoughts! OS25🤙☎️ 21:57, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Stories
Contacting you as you’re the most recent editor to have made an edit. An account has messed around the list of Televised stories and placed specials in the wrong series. I can’t undo it as it’s protected. Just thought you should know.81.106.187.1talk to me 14:21, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi. I noticed your request and took care of it. The edits in question have been reverted. Danniesen ☎  14:56, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Flash Game OPs
Hey, would you mind if I did the OP about the "alternate reality" online games? (The Last Dalek, K9: Deja Who, Daleks v Cybermen) OS25🤙☎️ 23:40, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

Attack of the Graske
Hey, is it okay if I merge your T:TF submission about Attack of the Grase with the one about general interactive fiction/branching narratives? OS25🤙☎️ 16:37, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Shoulder ring and Shoulder band
Just covering our bases here so I don't mistakenly merge two pages that were meant to be different: isn't a shoulder ring the same thing as a shoulder band? Does Dalek Survival Guide actually distinguish the two, or is it a case of the same thing being given different names across different sources? OncomingStorm12th ☎  13:16, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Hahah, I assumed it'd be the case. I honestly had to google it to find the exact name we had it at, though. Anyway, merging them now. OncomingStorm12th ☎  00:50, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

The Doctor's sonic screwdriver
Hi, Thermon! I see your project of splitting The Doctor's sonic screwdriver and heavily support it. However, I suggest that the sandbox titles like "The First and Second Doctor's sonic screwdriver" get changed to "First and Second Doctor's sonic screwdriver", as we normally do t include the definitive article in cases like these. Additionally, "Replacement on Ha'olam" isn't a suitable name, but at this point I presumed you were just taking the header name from the original article. Perhaps Eighth Doctor's sonic screwdriver (Seeing I could work? I also think dabbing is a better idea here than deciding on "second screwdriver" or whatever, in other cases. If you give me permission, I'm happy to make some movers myself and generally collaborate on this project. Oh, and also, I saw your T:TF proposal for this, and that you haven't written an OP. Are you planning to, or shall I? (Also, love your work on reality pages) Cousin Ettolrahc ☎  17:31, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Once I'm through my current irl stuff, I'll try working on that OP and redoing the sonic pages, then. Will take a while, but with most of the content already at The Doctor's sonic screwdriver, it's a doable task and could act as a good first project for me. Anyway, thanks for proposing it on T:TF and creating the pages initially, as you've inspired me. Cousin Ettolrahc ☎  19:01, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Tie-in websites
Hiya, @MrThermomanPreacher, I want to thank you for the work you have done on Wikifying the user generated material on Doctor Who tie-in websites. It is a real help, as I have been caught up between college work and wikifying The Crash of the Elysium (stage play), which I only started so the tie-in websites for that immersive experience could have context. If you don't mind however, please don't Wikify any of the Who is Doctor Who? webcasts yet as they are connected to alternate reality games and I have yet to work out the full extent of their connections, and I am also working on finding copies of them, as they are currently lost media. 16:02, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

The Enclyclopedia
Hey, uhm, I don’t believe Doctor Who: The Encyclopedia is currently a valid source (as indeed you can tell by the fact that the page hasn’t been given a dab term). As I understand it it cites such things actors in-text, which means it falls outside the ruling. Is that incorrect? In that case the page should be renamed and restructured accordingly. Otherwise, I’m afraid you’ll need to undo your latest batch of edits… Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 16:59, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see! Then yes, that probably counts. At any rate it's fair enough to put the onus on people arguing otherwise. But the page really ought to be reformatted into a more proper source page, including being renamed to a title using the "(reference book)" dab term. Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 22:04, 22 September 2023 (UTC)