Talk:Amy Pond

The mother-in-law
Since the legality of the marriage between Eleven and River is very much in doubt, isn't it dubious to call her — especially in the lead — the Doctor's mother-in-law. She may very well be no such damned thing. 16:40: Tue 25 Sep 2012
 * It has been stated on the show twice, though. She says it herself in The Wedding of River Song, and the Doctor says he's married in the Asylum of the Daleks prequel... d ● • ·  16:47, September 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * River calls him "husband" in Angels Take Manhattan as well. -- Tybort (talk page) 19:07, October 5, 2012 (UTC)

On another "mother-in-law" front, I seriously think it's pushing it to say that she's Liz I's mother in law. 1) Amy was already married, voiding the marriage to Henry, and 2) we have no information about the legality of E marriage of Liz I and the Tenth Doctor. He could have faked it, she could have annulled it, she didn't appear to consider them married and he definitely does not. I think that line needs either to go or it needs to be significantly lessened in declarative strength.--ComicBookGoddess ☎  10:38, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

The Henry VIII Story
In "A Town Called Mercy", Rory mentionned the Doctor leaving his phone charger in Henry VIII's suite. This event is depicted in the following story, "The Power of Three". in order to keep a chronological timeline, I moved the little synopsis of ATCM in the middle of the TPOT synopsis. Anyone who doesn't agree with this, feel free to undo changes. Chapeltok ☎  08:51, October 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * There's not really enough in The Power of Three to say that the charger incident is definitively connected to when Amy marries Henry VIII. The Eleventh Doctor's visited 1938 like three times after all. -- Tybort (talk page) 23:15, October 4, 2012 (UTC)

Third Scots regular
I know I've read somewhere that the Brigadier is of Scottish descent (I think Terror of the Zygons may have been the source, though I haven't watched it), but is that enough to call him a Scot? -- Tybort (talk page) 19:06, October 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * You're questioning the Scots credentials of a man with the name Stewart? Brave man, you are.  Suffice it to say that both his first and last appearances firmly establish him as a "practising" Scot.  From Zygons:
 * SJS: I didn't expect to see you in a kilt.
 * BRIG: My dear Miss Smith, my name is Lethbridge-Stewart. The clan Stewart.
 * SJS: Sorry, I thought you were doing a Doctor (referencing the Doc's faux Scots garb)
 * BRIG: What an absurd idea.


 * Also, costuming in The Web of Fear gives him a cap with a clear Tartan pattern on it. Dialogue doesn't say he's from a Scots regiment, but it doesn't really need to, in light of the cap.


 * I'm sure there's also plenty of evidence from other media. The Warkeeper's Crown, as I recall, stresses his lineage with emphasis on older members of his family that he would have personally met as a child.  So it's not distant Scots ancestry. I'm sure there are books which characterise him as a Scot, too, but I don't have those citations to hand.  I think he's actually meant to be born in Scotland, but ended up with an RP accent simply because of his military education down south.  Again, though, I don't have a citation readily to hand for that.


 * But Web and Terror give us ample evidence to say that Amy is very definitely the third televised regular Scot.  03:51: Tue 30 Oct 2012


 * Oh yeah! There's also the fabulous way Terror of the Zygons ends. Since you've not seen it yet, I'm loathe to spoil it for you.  But the last word of the script, applied to the Brig, is "Scotsman".   04:13: Tue 30 Oct 2012

Year of Death
I don't think we have enough information to really determine the year of death for Amy or Rory. Doing so involved too many assumptions - exactly when they were sent back to, their exact ages at the time that happened, whether or not those ages were accurately recorded (or reported) once they got there, even the time of year they actually died in, etc. Spreee ☎  19:51, October 13, 2012 (UTC)Spreee

Craig
The Amy Pond page reference Craig Owens being in only one episode - he was in two.

Amy Pond Peg Doll
Just wondering if we could create an article on the Peg Doll version or maybe just add a photo

I find Peg Doll Amy creepily brilliant

How gone IS Amy?
In "The Bells Of Saint John" there is a book that Oswin see's a character of in real life. On the book it shows a group of people which can easily be wiped away under the bed as if it were no big deal, which it isn't, EXCEPT for one disturbing "thingy" on the books front cover. It's author. The author of the book is Amelia Willaims. HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM... How "gone" is she now?


 * Please sign your posts. She's not even two stories gone, she's waving at her family through history. Still doesn't mean the Doctor can see her without ripping a hole in reality.--ComicBookGoddess ☎  01:54, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

Clare Corbett?
Clare Corbett is listed as the main voice actor for Amy, but her page says she only voiced two characters (neither of them Amy) and read multiple audio releases which did feature Amy, but it doesn't sound like she's voicing the specific character of Amy, just narrating stories that Amy is in. I don't think that makes her a voice actor for Amy, unless there's some missing information on Corbett's page. Mewiet ☎  10:26, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
 * I took it down for now. If she does actually voice Amy somewhere, then it can be re-added (and included on Corbett's page). Shambala108 ☎  14:10, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure she does specifically voice Amy in The Hounds of Artemis, which, you're right, is not even mentioned on her page. That one's less of a her-reading-for-everyone situation, and more of one closely resembling The Companion Chronicles, wherein two actors play mainly two charactersm but also others here and there. Matt Smith plays the Doctor plus any male characters, and she plays Amy plus any female. -- SOTO ( ☎ / ✍ \ ♆ ) 04:11, March 11, 2014 (UTC)

Henry VIII: "Spouse"
Why is Henry VIII listed as Amy's spouse? This is the dialogue for the scene:

Amy: Somebody was talking and I just said yes. Rory: To wedding vows! You just married Henry VIII on our anniversary.

They were there for Henry VIII's wedding to someone else and Amy, absently overhearing someone talking, just said the word "yes." That does not constitute a ceremony or legal agreement, especially when the words weren't even directed at her, she's never referred to as Henry VIII's wife unless Rory's line is stretched to be taken as something other than a verbal jab to the ribs, and there's no evidence Amy or Henry VIII consider Amy's "yes" to be legally/religiously/culturally/ceremonially/morally binding. Mewiet ☎  04:55, September 22, 2014 (UTC)


 * I haven't seen the episode but I have to agree. Moffat and company are fond of writing cutsie little things that some people take a bit too seriously. I know T:NO RW applies, but how can Amy be married to someone (Henry) when she's already legally married to Rory? At any rate, going by infobox standards, it's a minor blip in one episode that doesn't really rate being in the infobox. Shambala108 ☎  13:32, September 22, 2014 (UTC)

Death in Heaven
Given that we have absolutely no narrative evidence to state that Amy was one of the Cyber-converted individuals in Death in Heaven, why was this mentioned as fact on the page? I've reverted it for now, but I'll need to check and make sure this doesn't pop up later. Bwburke94 ~ Creator of All Things Brilliant! ~ 05:48, November 10, 2014 (UTC)


 * Well seeing that Amy was buried on Earth, and that all humans up 'till the events of Death in Heaven have been converted into Cybermen (as said in the episode), I think it is safe to assume that she must have been among the Cybermen. It isn't really important, but I don't think it's incorrect to say so. --Wickle Fwickle ☎  05:50, November 16, 2014 (UTC)

A more general look at this question can be found at Thread:165490, if you want to take a look.-- 10:01, November 16, 2014 (UTC)

The name "River Song"
Is this correct? '''Amy bestowed her maiden name, Pond on her daughter, opining that "Melody Williams" sounded like a geography teacher, whereas "Melody Pond" was the name for a superhero. In the end, she would be essentially both, albeit under a modified name''' This refers to the use of "River Song" which, as far as I can figure, is still "Melody Pond" but corrupted by translation to and back from the language of the Gamma Forests as mentioned in the next few sentences of this entry.

Ganger Amy
Should we add a new page about Amy's Ganger? There are still more pages about others', so why not Amy's? Scheepybird ☎  16:13, December 22, 2014 (UTC)

The Tip
During the whole Missy and Cybermen debacle, when Kate and her soldiers showed up, they said they knew to come because a Scottish girl called in a tip. as far as I'm aware, Amy is the only important Scottish female character in the series. This is purely speculation since we don't actually see or hear her, but is it possible she was part of the 91 original Cybermen stored in England? I mean, I wouldn't put it past the Master to dig up the Doctor's dead companions and use them as phase one of the plan. I only propose this because how else could Amy have been there and called it in since she was trapped by the Weeping Angels without some later to be explained Ex Machina plot? Shadowfox337 ☎  11:11, September 10, 2015 (UTC)
 * There is no way to tell who the Scottish woman was. It could have been Missy herself who called up and told them to come. We can't put it on her page without in-universe proof it was Amy who made the call. Mewiet ☎  16:37, September 22, 2015 (UTC)

Subheadings
Are the sub-headings under Alternative Timelines supposed to be out of universe?-- 15:43, September 22, 2015 (UTC)
 * They are all alternate timelines that Amy experienced within the DWU. Mewiet ☎  16:33, September 22, 2015 (UTC)

...yes, but are the headings supposed to be out of universe?-- 17:43, September 22, 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh! I understand what you mean now. The first two work both in-universe and out-of-universe and I think they unintentionally set a tone for the others. I agree they should he altered to reflect the in-universe side. Mewiet ☎  18:02, September 22, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I'd probably change them all. I don't know what to though.-- 16:56, September 24, 2015 (UTC)

Proposed image change.




The currant image and the proposal are very similar except the proposed is brighter and facing the article, which is desired according to wiki policy, whereas the currant does not. Amy's hair also isn't as distracting due to being in mid air so to speak. Snivystorm ☎  16:27, October 5, 2015 (UTC)

Clones or children?
Gonna put an end to this problem right now. Because this (are these supposed embryos children of Amy) is an area that needs explanation and/or could be disputed, it does not belong in the infobox. Put it in the body of the article if you must, but leave it out of the infoboxes. Shambala108 ☎  21:05, January 25, 2018 (UTC)


 * I think it’s made pretty clear in the story. River directly refers to the “clones” as her siblings throughout and she mentions that they were created through embryo cloning, meaning that they are genetically identical or at least very to River but also Amy and Rory’s biological children, born through Host/Surrogate mothers. It’s not like they directly cloned River, they cloned an embryo that eventually became River and made more children from it. SarahJaneFan ☎


 * This is a big ethical discussion that many editors will dispute - it is best just to leave out. Perhaps the same should be done on River's page as well? Snivystorm ☎  21:39, January 25, 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes. Shambala108 ☎  02:32, January 26, 2018 (UTC)


 * There are two quotes from The Lady in the Lake that are pertinent: "He was my...brother. I suppose." and "Or to be precise, he's like me. Madame Kovarian was a mad scientist and like any self respecting mad scientist she didn't miss the opportunity of an embryonic Time Lord in her lab. She took my DNA and grew seven others like me!" So I take from that brother and sister are more of symbolic titles/the easiest explanation as the individuals weren't derived from Amy's eggs in a 52nd century IVF situation, but from DNA stolen from River herself during gestation. In the two separate clone groups (the original seven: Tarn, Wadi, Rindle, Lake, Stream, and Creek) and the later group created after the destruction of Demons Run (Brooke, H-One, H-Two, O) they each grew up together and therefore referred to the others in their specific groups as sisters and/or brothers. The second group also grew up calling Kovarian their mother and in a power trippy, Mrs Wormwood or Miss Myers style (who artificially created Luke Smith and Sky Smith), Kovarian also says they are her children (and tries to insist to River that because she raised her, she is more worthy of the title of her mother than Amy). By the end of The Furies the second group turns on Kovarian for her cruelty and River has a couple of lines where she talks about how the Brooke/H-Two/O have certain traits that were passed down from Amy and Rory. Mewiet ☎  04:50, January 26, 2018 (UTC)