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Bwburke94 wrote: Actually, let's get back to the "is he Ninth" part of the discussion.

It would take some severe mental gymnastics to state that he was not intended to be ninth at the time of production. Trying to take a strict in-universe perspective on these sort of things leads to madness.

However, The Doctor (Scream of the Shalka) is certainly a reasonable name for the article, regardless of whether he is ninth or not. That's the thing. What counts for in-universe articles is in-universe material. So we can say in BTS that he was intended to be the ninth, but that's it.