User talk:66 Seconds

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Real world info
Hi! I realize you probably spent hours of work on the English towns and counties, but I've had to undo most of your work. There are a couple of issues here:
 * All in-universe articles on people, places, and things that also exist in the real world are tagged with, which leads anyone interested to the wikipedia page. Therefore, there is no need for us to include any non-DWU details in our articles. In particular, we never allow speculation in our articles, so phrases like "it may be" or "it is possible" are not allowed.
 * In addition, T:NO RW tells us that we are only to use info from DWU stories in our in-universe articles. No matter what we know about a subject in real life, it is not added unless it can be sourced to a DWU story. (However, keep in mind that there may be examples of this on pages that haven't been caught and removed yet.)

A couple of things to keep in mind while you edit: make sure any headings you add conform to Tardis:Use sentence case, and be careful not to add content within the list of categories and templates, which must always be located at the bottom of an article beneath all the content. The edits you've been making today were inserted between the wikipedia template tag and the categories.

Thanks for reading this! Shambala108 ☎  15:16, October 20, 2014 (UTC)

Noted. No problem. --66 Seconds ☎  15:30, October 21, 2014 (UTC)

Honorifics
Hi! I was searching through some edits on Skarosa and noted that you had added periods after the abbreviation "Dr". Per Tardis:Honourifics, we follow the British method of not putting periods after certain words. Please check the policy to see which words do and don't have a period. Thanks! Shambala108 ☎  18:28, November 3, 2014 (UTC)

New categories
Can you please explain your choice of "Individuals copied by the Zygons" as a category name? Also, how you you define a host?-- 15:56, November 10, 2014 (UTC)

"Individuals copied by the Zygons" is for any individual, whether it be an animal or alien, who was used as a body-print by a member of the Zygon race. A host is a person whose body was possessed by or used by another lifeform against their will. 66 Seconds ☎  16:04, November 10, 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the prompt reply. So, your saying they're not copied. The name is incorrect - they're using their likeness, not duplicating them. The OED defines host as: "An animal or plant on or in which a parasite or commensal organism lives." I fail to see how using someone's skin makes you a host, or taking their body print either. You really should consult at least one other user before implementing categories that would be so widely used, at least per your definition. Also, you should reply to user talk page messages on the other correspondents talk page.-- 16:15, November 10, 2014 (UTC)

Blink
Hi! What is your DWU source for Hull being in Yorkshire? We don't use the real world as a source, per T:NO RW. Thanks. Shambala108 ☎  22:50, November 15, 2014 (UTC)

Infobox
Hi! Please remove the "Infobox Individual" template from your user page, as that template is only meant for story characters. On user pages it messes up the system in ways I don't quite understand but am willing to believe.

We do have an infobox for users, if you'd like to replace it with that. It's called "Infobox User". Thanks! Shambala108 ☎  15:51, November 18, 2014 (UTC)

Redundant categories
Hi! Please be careful when adding new categories to pages. When you add a more-specific category, such as Category:Stories set in Norfolk, to a page that has Category:Stories set in England, you must remove the broader category. Because our categories are nested (for example, the Norfolk stories category is located within the England stories category), including the two on the same page causes a redundancy that interferes with bot work. You can read more at Tardis:Beware recursion (the first paragraph is the one that applies here). Thanks! Shambala108 ☎  16:42, November 26, 2014 (UTC)

Dragons pages
Please don't just create pages on stuff that we are to discuss further before creating them. --DCLM ☎  22:46, October 23, 2016 (UTC)
 * Well... now you can as well create one for the female one, as the male is already created. But for next time, if a template like that is placed, it needs to be discussed before it is created. Thanks. :) --DCLM ☎  23:00, October 23, 2016 (UTC)
 * We are keeping the pages, but yeah, it was under discussion. You should really wait for some amount of consensus. 23:28, October 23, 2016 (UTC)

Speedy rename
Thanks for using unlike moving pages yourself like everyone else seems to have done, even though they're not allowed, leaving a lot of mess for me to clean up.

But: you must, must, must fill in the user variable on the template. . Simple as that. 21:09, November 5, 2016 (UTC)

Planet (The Pilot)
Earlier today you added a BtS section for Planet (The Pilot) saying that a promo used the name "Epsilon Delta". Now, I might be missing something, but where in this link is the name "Epsilon Delta" used? Or did you get the wrong link? OncomingStorm12th ☎  00:04, April 17, 2017 (UTC)

Dredger
Done. Dredger redirect deleted, and now open for editing. All links were moved, of course. 03:56, May 4, 2017 (UTC)

Infobox suggestion
Hey! Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. Our priority at this point is in simply getting the existing infoboxes converted over to mobile code. However, I've put your suggestion before other admin, and we're discussing it. At this point, it's a bit of an open question as to whether an entirely new infobox is required, or if simply adding new variables to existing ones makes more sense.

I will say this, though: we can't really control what an individual editor chooses to use. If they choose to look at a space station as more of an object than a location, we can't stop them, exactly. We can only clean up afterwards. So I'm not surprised at the existing state of affairs.

As for the future, you should be prepared for the fact that, while we can quite easily change from one template to another, the instance won't be magically populated by the new variables. There's still going to be a lot of manual editing involved. 20:50: Tue 23 May 2017

Russian last name
First of all, please observe T:CAST with respect to the first name of the Russian commander. Secondly, how do you know his last name? Amorkuz ☎  01:13, May 29, 2017 (UTC)


 * Well, since I see Llya in the credits, I'm afraid you would have to provide a screenshot of credits with Ilya to prove that it is really Ilya. And no, when you created Ilya Sviatoslavych, the episode's page had "Llya", because I put it there. So the question is: why would you create a page based on the spelling you could not verify after it was changed? Amorkuz ☎  01:48, May 29, 2017 (UTC)


 * Could you provide the time stamp for the biological data in the episode please? Amorkuz ☎  02:16, May 29, 2017 (UTC)

1966 World Cup
Was there any particular reason why you removed most of the content from the 1966 World Cup page? All of it was relevant to the article and was taken from valid sources. GusF ☎  15:11, August 16, 2018 (UTC)


 * Ah. I was unaware of the 1966 World Cup Final page since I have been away from the Wiki for some time and you only created it yesterday. I agree that it is more relevant to that page. GusF ☎  15:19, August 16, 2018 (UTC)


 * Much appreciated! GusF ☎  15:26, August 16, 2018 (UTC)

Page moves
Hi, please note that per Thread:128198 only admins are permitted to move pages on this wiki. Thanks, Shambala108 ☎  21:04, August 18, 2018 (UTC)

Images
Hi, good job on the character images you added today. The cropping is just what we want for infobox images. Thanks, Shambala108 ☎  00:31, October 21, 2018 (UTC)

Re: Sydney Carton
Hey, thanks for catching the Sidney/Sydney Carton mix-up. When I created Sidney Carton, I somehow missed that The Lampblack Wars spells it "Sydney". So now I've corrected it. Thanks again! Shambala108 ☎  00:58, February 14, 2020 (UTC)

Navboxes
With respect, while T:NO RW prevents us from making Marvel/DC conncetions in the in-universe portions of articles, navboxes are not written from an in-universe point of view, as shown by the fact that some of them even contain   material. I daresay you could have talked about this with User:LegoK9 before undoing all their work like this. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎  23:18, September 27, 2020 (UTC)
 * Huh, fancy that — the heading of my last message on your talk page, however old, is still applicable.


 * Well, you were right to warn me. I'll message Epsilon at once, and let's try to get to the bottom of this. Happy new year to you as well! Scrooge MacDuck ☎  03:08, 1 January 2021 (UTC)


 * And — done! As I told Epsilon, so I shall tell you: "please let's have you two summarise the facts of the case on some suitable talk page (that of the Scooby Doo navbox, say), and I'll try to act as a moderator to bring this to a consensual resolution.". Scrooge MacDuck ☎  03:12, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Navboxes
Hiya, there are many reasons why I'm reworking the navboxes. Firstly, when they're formatted to be place under infoboxes, they quite commonly create a lot of dead space, especially on short pages. Secondly, these navboxes have sections that are unclearly defined, as the section lacks borders and such. Thirdly, the type of formatting you are insisting upon is only intended for navboxes like. When one creates a new template, you'll be greeted with the "template type" menu, which tells you that the most "common" type of navbox is go at the bottom of the page. Fourthly, there is a lot of precendent for the formatting of navboxes I am trying to implement, as practically every less-than-recent navboxes use the aforementioned formatting. Sorry if I've made you think that I'm talking down to you - I'm not. I'm doing what is best for the Wiki, which takes a lot of work. Even if that means overwriting other users' contributions slightly. Epsilon  📯 📂 03:14, 1 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the civil reply on my talk page. Admittedly, I had been getting riled up over the past few hours for no real reason in particular, so I appreciate you and Scrooge talking to me sensibly. I feel that I might've gotten more riled up as time went on, and now I also feel that my message on Template talk:Scooby Doo is a bit unnecessarily provoking. Epsilon  📯 📂 03:52, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Navboxes
Hi there, I've noticed you've created a ton of parallel counterpart infoboxes over the last few months, and I'm wondering if you think we might standardize things with a general-purpose Template:Counterparts? – n8 (☎) 21:08, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Awesome, glad it seems like a good idea. Bongolium500 is the best templatier around and might be able to help. – n8 (☎) 14:08, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Re: Counterparts template
Hi, that's definitely something I can help with. I'm currently working on quite a large template project but the first phase of that should be finished by the end of today and I will have a lot more free time starting from Friday so I can probably have a look at it then. Bongo50  ☎  15:51, 22 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Sounds good. Bongo50   ☎  19:30, 23 June 2022 (UTC)


 * I've finished the template. It can be found at Template:Counterparts where there should be sufficient usage information. If usage isn't clear, please let me know so that I can improve the documentation. This actually ended up being a really fun little project as I was able to use a few tricks that I wasn't expecting to work in order to build up all of the functionality that I felt was necessary. This has also meant that it is much more complex than Template:Looks like. Therefore, if you notice an issue, please let me know so that I can fix it.  Bongo50   ☎  12:44, 24 June 2022 (UTC)


 * I officially give my admin stamp of approval to this idea! Standardised templates are generally a good thing, makes it easier to maintain a consistent style across the Wiki. Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 10:39, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

FYI, I expect the problem you've noted on User talk:Bongolium500 is because of a recent update to Fandom's software breaking the "Preview" button. (You can see this in our regular character infoboxes, where a bunch of fields are un-centered or otherwise broken in the "Preview" view.) If you set up the template properly and hit "save" – as I just did on Twelfth Doctor (Shadow World) – it'll load correctly. – n8 (☎) 01:57, 26 June 2022 (UTC)


 * That's definitely an odd issue that I've never encountered but I think I know what it is and how to fix it. Fandom has a few different editors and, while I use the 2010 editor, I'm pretty certain you use the 2017 editor (also known as visual editor - source mode). What I think the issue is that the 2017 editor uses a different parser (the bit of software that converts wikitext to the actual webpage you view) for it's preview mode than the 2010 editor (which uses the same parser as is used to actually produce the finished webpage). Therefore, I think you can fix your issue by going to the edit tab of Special:Preferences and switching your preferred editor from "visual editor - source mode" to "source editor" and making sure that "Enable the editing tool bar" is ticked. The next time you edit, there will be some noticeable differences, the biggest probably being page previews appearing above the edit box rather than as a pop-up window, but I don't think the changes would be too hard to get used to. Let me know if that fixes the issue. Bongo50   ☎  10:27, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

Parallel counterpart navboxes
Hello there :)

I edited so many of these the last few days that I'll probably not remember which one I added the summary to first, sorry, but my general reasoning for re-applying (some of) them was: is absolutely useful, and should be used widely. However, some characters (main characters/doctors/companions) are likelier to get more and more counterparts than a few one-offs. Therefore, it allows for easier maintenance if these maintain their own templates.

To give a pratical example: The Doctor's TARDIS. As of right now, she has 10 counterparts + her N-Space page. Now, imagine that tommorow someone releases a page which contains a new counterpart of the TARDIS. If we were to simply use, that'd mean 11 edits necessary. Instead, by allowing to co-exist with the general template, we only need to make one edit. That means less work, and ensures that all the Doctor's TARDISes pages will display them the same order, with the exact same text, ect. Uniformity is also good.

On the other hand, Character XYZ who only appears in a handful of episodes and has very few counterparts doesn't warrant their own template, for example, Quences. So, it just becomes a matter of balancing the number of templates vs how easy it is to update the generic one. Personally, I'd say that once a characters has around 4 or 5, they're fair game to their own template, but that can, of course, be (further) discussed at some point. OncomingStorm12th ☎  15:22, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

For(u)m Letter
Hey there, I hope your Halloween was decent. As you might know, we've not had forums for over two years at this point. A few of the regular editors have been having a discussion on this topic at Forum talk:Index and we'd like the input of other prominent editors if you have the inclination. Cheers. Najawin ☎  08:38, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Andrea Yates's universe
Hey, I see you've recently started doing pages for several concepts relating to their Andrea Yates's universe counterparts.

However, most of these concepts are very short-lived (often being only mentioned). Recently, long-standing practices on alternate realites has been codified into policy at Tardis:Merging policy. Long-story-short: in cases such as these, it's more useful to readers (and editors, even) to keep the information at a single page, unless there's several paragraphs worth of information.

So, something like Clyde Langer (Andrea Yates's universe) is acceptable, but K67 (Andrea Yates's universe) and Clyde Langer (Donna's World)... are not really needed. I'll go through the pages you made over the last days and merge some of them, but please keep this in mind on the future. OncomingStorm12th ☎  21:56, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

Torchwood House
Hiya, I'd like to politely ask you to hold off creating any more pages for Torchwood House as I am currently trying to coordinate a lot of different parts of the larger Wikification of Doctor Who tie-in websites. Many thanks. 18:35, 16 March 2023 (UTC)