User talk:Tangerineduel


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Cleanup Template
Ok. It is done. At the moment, it says: It needs to be cleaned up in these sections: as I couldn't think of anything better but if you can think of something better, feel free to change it. 16:45, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, whoops. Sorry, I thought it was you who left my the message. I don't know why. Anyway, it needs rewording I know but can you think of anything better? 16:52, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * The reason I was saying about it was that, for example, on River Song's page, it was in need of a clean-up. But it didn't need it for one section, it needed it in the the whole thing, but most people wouldn't know that the cleanup needed all spoilers removed. If we add this section to the cleanup template, it doesn't always need to be used, but it is there for necessary times when specifics need to be removed such as the spoilers on River's page. I've cleaned her page up since asking for the template to be modified, but I still think it will be useful for the future. The Thirteenth Doctor 17:08, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

Face Tendril
Can you help me move the Multi-Form back to Face Tendril. Face Tendril is the correct name and is even acknowledged by the BBC Doctor Who website as the species name. Multi form is just another name that it is refered to. Thanks -- Michael Downey 20:41, June 19, 2010 (UTC).

The Pandorica Opens
I draw your attention to Talk:The Pandorica Opens (TV story). When the bot gets finished checking every damned page in mainspace, I'll need you to move The Pandorica Opens (Painting) to The Pandorica Opens.  Czech Out  ☎ | ✍ 02:06, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmmm. Well, it appears you've already made the switch before the bot finished its work. The switch stopped the bot in its duties, so I've got to go back and figure out where precisely it got to. There's a chance that the automatic switch won't ultimately be as complete as I would've liked, but I did get the vast majority of them before you made the switch. For some reason, there's a "ghost image" hanging around of linkage to several un-related stories (thanks to the link being in a template), but these are "false" links. Probably just have to wait a few days for the system to adjust.  Czech Out  ☎ | ✍ 15:09, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's not that big a deal. I just wanted to tell you why we might still have a few (<30) stragglers. The job went from just saying "Okay, look at everything in Category:Time-Space Visualiser to having to figure out which individual categories the stragglers are in. Basically the job isn't really for a bot anymore — it's down to a manageable hand-edit job, which, frankly, I just don't want to do —but I'll keep going for a bit and let you know when I've gotten to the point where I'm, rather lazily, over it.  Czech Out  ☎ | ✍ 15:19, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay the bot's work is done. And I don't mean by that, "I'm done working with the bot on this issue." I mean, it's actually finished. There are a ton (>50) of "ghost links" still persisting, but when you actually go to the articles, they are properly linked. These links will hopefully fall away after a while. The only problem I have is that I don't actually remember what the legitimate links to the painting were. I think there were only a few, but the premature deletion of The Pandorica Opens (Painting) makes it harder to assess what might have originally been there. The only links persisting there are to pages not in mainspace. I guess I could go through the creating editor's contribution history but —oh, what the hell, I'll do that and hope that's all that should be legitimately linked to the painting at present. Anyway, job done.  Czech Out  ☎ | ✍ 17:21, June 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * FYI, CzechOut, you missed a few, specifically the ones that used the DW and DW 2 templates. There were a couple of other links you missed for some reason. Not sure how, but they're all fixed. I also forced refreshes on all of the other pages to clean up the cached links too. -- sulfur 17:55, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Slight, related, followup. The DW template does something we used to do on Memory Alpha with the #ifexist calls. We found that the use of that template call actually made the Wiki software think that the link did exist for "what links here" and the "most wanted" pages. Just fyi. -- sulfur 18:02, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ahhhh, of course. Totally forgot about DW. Thanks for catchin' that. So did you guys find a fix to the "what links here" and "most wanted' false links?  Czech Out  ☎ | ✍ 21:27, June 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes. We moved all episodes to "XXX (episode)", and had redirects pointing there when there was no in-universe article to put there. Not the prettiest, but it works. -- sulfur 21:58, June 21, 2010 (UTC)

Community involvement with the italics/quotes issue
I obviously value discussions and consensus decision-making too. That's why I use the fora and talk pages with great frequency. You keep making the point of seeking discussion as if it's something I'm not doing. But is that fair? We're talking about a change that I clearly want to make, that I have the tools to make with relative ease, and about which I actually don't think there is any logical resistance. To me, this is like arguing over whether the sky is blue. And yet. . I've made no substantive moves on the matter in the 18 months the discussion has been open. How much more dedicated do you want me to be to using the fora? Even by our standards, this discussion has been ongoing, unresolved, for a ridiculously long time. Let's face it, if you were on board with this idea, you wouldn't be behaving so cautiously. And reluctance and caution are both fine things. But please don't shade the issue as if I'm trying to do something improper by seeking closure on an 18-month-old discussion. Most of my major actions on this wiki have only been made after at least some period of discussion on the fora or talk pages.  Czech Out  ☎ | ✍ 06:46, June 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Of course it's a 18-month discussion and not just two spurts of activity. It's significant that no one else has posted in that time. I think it indicates that they don't care, and that they want us to settle the matter. You can't make people interested enough in a topic that they'll post. Some things attract attention; some things don't. You can't force people to use the fora. If you wanna try the canvassing thing, cool. For me, canvassing has produced mixed results in the past, but what the heck. Again, though, let's not make this out to be a question of failing to involve the community. That's wholly unfair. This topic has been out there, and several times at the top of the list of topics at the Panopticon. It's not like this has been buried on your talk page. People have read it, and chosen to ignore it, just like they did the K9 discussion. Arguing the finer points of punctuation isn't gonna set the world on fire, but somebody has to bring it up and take a stand on it.  Czech Out  ☎ | ✍ 07:27, June 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm really glad you've gotten more input at the forum thread, but I do think the precise language you've used to drive people there was a little less than neutral. Instead of saying something bland like, "Could you please come to this forum thread and give your opinion", you went further than I would and said, "I'm not comfortable with . . . " — which kinda suggests that something "fishy" was going on. People will have naturally gone to that page with greater suspicion than was necessary. I'm not angry or anything. I don't think you were actually trying to "load" the discussion with people "on your side". And I absolutely understand what you were trying to say in the full sentence. You were saying that you were uncomfortable with just two people having the discussion, which is a perfectly valid point.


 * But I do think some people might have focused merely on the fact that you said you were uncomfortable rather than parsing the whole sentence. And as you're viewed as the senior admin who tends to "close" these discussions, such word choice can have a devastating effect upon genuine conversation. It's a bit like one's boss saying, "I'm uncomfortable; aren't you uncomfortable, too?" And that feeling of discomfort could be then applied to the thing being proposed, especially as you are uncomfortable with the proposal. Again, I'm not suggesting intentionality or anything like that, but that's a subliminal vibe that's possible to infer. It's so important to consensus building that people be alerted to a discussion in as neutral a way as possible, as is suggested at the Wikipedia guidelines on canvassing. In the interests of avoiding anything like this in the future, I have therefore brought over a simplified version of Please see from Wikipedia.  Czech Out  ☎ | ✍ 20:25, June 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry that my words upset you. I thought they would reassure you. After all, having the tools to do something, but not doing them, surely shows restraint and responsibility. In this instance in particular, where I really don't understand the community response, I think it shows a demonstrable respect for the community-building process. You seem to start from the position that I'm a loose cannon or something, and that baffles me. Given that you've had other admin around here saying things on talk pages like, "Nah, don't ask anybody, just do it," I'd have thought the amount that I talk about things before doing them a refreshing change.  Czech Out  ☎ | ✍ 17:50, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

Formatting the Doctors
Hey. You were part of the discussion above. I was wondering if you could have a look at the discussion as I have given a new reply including an example page, and maybe we could start discussing it again now that we'll have time before the Christmas special. Also, I think it'd be good to get the rest of the community's opinions if you could ask them to join. Thanks. The Thirteenth Doctor 20:53, June 27, 2010 (UTC)

The Time Field
As we Know the Finale has aired but yet nobody has made a decision. So Please Could you move the Time Field to the Time Crack! I am Only asking to change this because in the big bang the doctor says amy is not a ordinary girl because she grew up with a Time CRACK in her wall not time field. so please could you move it? From Liamhenney 18:29, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

Wikia
Hey, is there a site used by wikia where pages are simply uneditable and presentable pages, like you would see in a book. I'll try and explain better. Does wiki have two halves to it, the editing stage, in which users use this site to edit and improve, and another site where they display the articles as though it would never be changed, like in a book? If not, we may have a serious problem. If you have a look here you can see the End of Time page on that site. If you compare it with our version, it is almost exactly the same, with only a few minor changes. From what I can see the only difference between the opening paragraphs of that page and ours is that ours marks it as David Tennant's "final appearance" and they call it "swansong", a phrase which actually was in use on our page the last time it was edited. Would this site not count as plagiarizing our site? --The Thirteenth Doctor 23:39, July 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * They can use it due to the licensing used here. The problem is... they are not listing any credit, source, or licensing information on their page, which is a big problem. I would strongly suggest contacting Wikia about this because the license is such that a source (at a minimum) must be listed I believe. -- sulfur 12:43, July 17, 2010 (UTC)

I couldn't find the article for tv shows etc referencing Doctor Who, so I searched "references to doctor who wiki" on Google, and it was the sixth result down on the list. It said Doctor Who wiki, but had a different web address so I checked it out, and that's when I found the similar stuff. --The Thirteenth Doctor 14:51, July 17, 2010 (UTC)

Help with discussion
Hey, can you please state you view on the discussion I am having in the forums here. Its about the navigation template, and I am would like you views on them, and how we can improve them (ChzechOut's idea) or if we should remove them. Cheers. Mini-mitch 22:19, July 17, 2010 (UTC)

Constant Vandalism by User The Thirteenth Doctor in the Monster Files' article
The user the Thirteenth Doctor keeps on insisting using a less accurate edition of the article despite a personal message has been sent to him to ask him not to vandalise the article:

The older edit says:


 * The videos are streamed via the BBC's official Doctor Who website; like virtually all videos on the site, the clips are "geofenced" due to licensing and are technically not allowed to be viewed outside of the UK (though they are widely circulated anyway). As of 2010, none of these clips have been released on DVD.

which explicitly says that all the Monster Files clips are geofenced, but the Thirteenth Doctor insists on using his edition even going so far as to undoing what others have undone, which says:


 * The videos are streamed via the BBC's official Doctor Who website. Virtually all videos on the site are "geofenced" due to licensing and are technically not allowed to be viewed outside of the UK, though they are widely circulated anyway. None of these clips have been released on DVD or as any other form of media.

which removes the certainty that all the clips are geofenced, and can easily interpreted as not every single Monster Files video is geofenced. He also removed other information on the article such as the release information was "as of 2010". This exact reason was remarked when his edit was undone, but he insists on re-undoing it regardless. He also threatened the user with this message "Do not give other users warnings of vandalism when vandalism is non existent. That is considered vandalism in itself. The Thirteenth Doctor 09:55, August 2, 2010 (UTC)" I don't want to keep on undoing the article so please do something about it.

Moreover, the user has, for some odd reason, tried to spam the Howling by typing responses that do not deal with the topic whatsoever such as Forum:Series 6 things where Dragonfree OVER 4,500 Animal Crossing Wiki EDITS's original question is responded by "There's an IP who you totally don't want to hear you having said that.... The Thirteenth Doctor 12:42, August 1, 2010 (UTC)"...a completely irrelevant response to the thread. I understand the Howling is for discussion, but he keeps on turning it into a fan forum with meaningless responses. Whenever he is asked to stop spamming the threads with meaningless responses, he would response with "stop insulting people, or you should leave" or posting other irrelevant remarks with completely no contribution to the thread or even going so far as to starting new unecessary threads. Please do whatever you can. Thank you very much. --222.166.181.217 11:12, August 2, 2010 (UTC)