User:SOTO/Forum Archive/Inclusion debates/@comment-2.26.183.189-20170416191252/@comment-4028641-20170424135237

Danniesen wrote: A recap of the previous episode's ending is different from this.

It's kinda not.

I mentioned above (albeit slightly after I posted) that this same problem can be noted in Time Crash.

Here's the thing: it's "all or nothing," any rule we make up to call something invalid has to be used for each and every single example of that being a thing. So if you're going to use that logic to call FftF invalid, then we're also gonna have to call Last of the Time Lords invalid.

Not to mention the many stories, such as The Eight Doctors and Time & Time Again, that are based on the idea of setting themselves in the middle of already-existing stories. Do we call those invalid? Or, indeed, the stories that they are set in the middle of?

Danniesen wrote: I'm in no way saying it wasn't due to fit in the other, but the story itself had many obvious differences to the scene in The Pilot, besides some parts being left out. The trailer fits into that part of the episode, but it isn't a part of the story itself.

First of all, it's not a trailer. If it were to be a trailer, it would feature footage from a product that already existed at the time of creation. It didn't, so please call it a short.

I'm having a very hard time figuring out what you're saying right now. Gonna quote you again...

The [short] fits into that part of the episode, but it isn't a part of the story itself.

So what you're saying is that despite the fact that the short fits into the story, it isn't part of the story... Because they don't talk about the water girl? Or what?

Danniesen wrote: Think of The Doctor's Meditation (for example). If the story in that prequel was re-made for the purpose of being put into the episode The Magician's Apprentice, the entire prequel itself would become invalid due to the entire storyline becoming part of the final episode itself.

I don't think that's true. If The Magician's Apprentice had shown different moments from The Doctor's Meditation while also using a few shots from The Doctor's Meditation, it would be perfectly valid.

The Doctor's Meditation is a terrible example, because it has so many different parts that you could totally use a lot of that in the actual episode and the prequel would still be valid by means of it being meant to be a separate product.

I think I kinda see what you're saying, but it's hardly enough to over-ride "Moffat says it counts."