Talk:Saxon Master/Archive 1

I don't suppose it is significant that the hand that took the ring from the pyre was painted ( only the nails, of course) with the (possibly) same red paint that Lucy Saxon's nails were (specifically when she shot The Master)? Aeronflux 02:42, 1 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Not really for now no, because it's only a possibility, there's no evidence that we can say one way or the other. --Tangerineduel 15:01, 1 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I removed this reference because it was written in real-world style anyway, and such speculation belonged more in the Myths and Rumours section of the episode article. I also removed references to the "End of Time" special, as that belongs to the article on Simms' version of the Master, not Harold Saxon, as this alias is unlikely to be used again. 23skidoo 13:10, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * There should be information about the "End of Time" here even if he doesn't use the alias, because this is the page on John Simm's master. When the episode comes out, this page should probably not be called Harold Saxon, but for now that information should be here.Icecreamdif 21:41, September 9, 2009 (UTC)


 * Information can be placed here when it is broadcast until then the rumours or whatever should be placed on the 2009 specials article page or on the End of Time article page. --Tangerineduel 03:51, September 22, 2009 (UTC)

Revenge
"Revenge, best served cold" is a Klingon proverb?! I think you need to do your homework.
 * "Revenge is a dish best served cold," is a Klingon proverb. Khan quoted it in Star Trek II.Icecreamdif 02:39, September 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * - "Revenge is a dish best served cold" appears in European literature from the 19th century onwards

Blond pic?
Could someone put a picture of his bleached blond version (End of time trailer), or get me a link to a pic of it? We might not want to put that yet, but would it be alright as long as in the description of it we put something like "Master in the End of time with bleached hair color" or something along those lines?Papayaking 03:26, October 15, 2009 (UTC)
 * The Master from End of Time cannot be included in this article unless it is confirmed that he is once again using the Saxon alias. Otherwise it goes into the main article on the Master. This article is only for discussing the alias used by the Master during his time on earth and rise to power.23skidoo 15:42, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

End of Time
I know it said not to add information about The end of Time in but it was about Harold Saxon, not just the Master. They were Saxon's followers who wanted to revive Saxon, not The Master, although one knew he was the Master, others didn't seem to know how dangerous he could be. ☆ The  Solar  Dragon  ( Merry Christmas ) ☆ 08:06, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

It was about the master they knew his real name was the master when reviving him, and perhaps they did indeed know how dangerous he was or maybe they did not. It is important to add a bit regarding the end of time here though because he was mentioned, albeit he did not use this alias. lottie01 23:35 16 Janurary 2010 (GMT)

"Saxon is your man" - an acrostic, approximately.
John Simm's surname can be seen in the Saxon campaign sign. With "IS" stretched to such a degree, the "I" scans more like a block than a letter. When the eye reads down the left, "S(I)YM" is the result. "Sim" also echoes with simulation and simulacrum. --Prophit1970 11:44, January 2, 2010 (UTC)

I have no idea as to the source of this image. If that is a problem, I'll mock-up a copy in photoshop. It's not like the poster is trademarked. 71.242.153.128 19:10, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Autobiography
What's the source for the section (and pic) about his autobiography? I don't recall this from any episode.  Czech Out  ☎ | ✍  21:45, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

Article's focus
Is this article about Harold Saxon, the politician who became prime minister of the UK, or about the version of the Master known as Harold Saxon? I'm a little confused, both by the article's current state, and by the discussion that's happened on this talk page.  Czech Out  ☎ | ✍  21:53, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

Sent back to the Time War: Unlikely
There's no real reason to presume that the of End of Time had the Master going back to the Time War. He hadn't originally come from it, so why would he go back to it? Rassilon, the Time Lords and Gallifrey went back because that was their original location. The existence of the Master and White Point outside the time lock is what allowed them to escape and sustained their existence outside it. The Master was from outside the lock, and it was mentioned earlier in the episodes that the Master's body would eventually fall apart due to his powers running off his own life-force. That's what happened at the end.Meganerd18 01:33, December 13, 2010 (UTC)

Trimming aliases
In a Panopticon thread about the "also called" section in Infoboxes, everyone seems to agree that these should only be used for actual aliases (like "Harry Saxon") and other alternative names, not for insults ("Skeletor"), descriptions ("The Master of Disguise"), and other epithets.

This is just a discussion, so if you disagree, please join in at that thread.

In case the discussion ends up going the other way, here are the aliases I've removed: --173.228.85.35 06:51, September 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * The Master of Disguise
 * Skeletor
 * The Mister Master
 * Our Lord and Master
 * Big Fella

The Master's disappearence
One thing is REALLY annoying me on this wiki regarding The Master's "disapperence" at the end of The End of Time (TV story), is that the pages The Master & The Master (Harold Saxon) both previously listed The Master and being taken back into the time war with Rassilon & The TimeLords. However I have yet to see conclusive production evidence of this fact i.e. Russell or someone stating this is fact (and as you can never really kill off the classic villian's like The Master/Davros etc) surely it makes me sense to assume The Master "died" burning up his own life-force as the Tenth Doctor states he is doing earlier on in the episode. Who agrees?? 0TheTenthDoctor0 17:00, May 17, 2012 (UTC)

Well, a lot of things you say about 'conclusive evidence' also apply to your theory, and one piece of evidence that he went back to the Time War is that he disappeared at exactly the same time as the Time Lords. I think the cartical should stay the way it is.--86.140.100.167talk to me 20:44, May 17, 2012 (UTC)

But that logic implies all Time Lord's would be drawn back into the war and The Doctor wasn't, so surely it makes more sense that only the Time Lord's that came out the lock would get sucked back in and The Master merely burnt up his body using his own life force? I'm sure they will try and bring both The Master & The Time Lord's back again at some point but just purely for stating exactly what happened on screen, the Time Lord's were thrown back into the time war and The Master vanished, sounds nice and simple and obvious. Allons-Y! 16:10, May 19, 2012 (UTC)

The Master was far closer to the gate than the Doctor was, therefore he was pulled in with the rest of them. Also, if his body had burnt out, then his clothes would have remained at the Mansion. They were nowhere to be seen in the subsequent scenes. The Master was also on a new cycle of regenerations, so if he did burn out, he would have regenerated.

If anything The Doctor was closer than The Master as he is standing behind The Doctor when he tells him to "get out the way" so he can attack Rassilon when The Doctor is stood in between The Master & Rassilon and when The Doctor wakes up he is still in the circle of the floor so he obviously was still just as close as The Master so he wasn't far closer, as for The Master's clothes, they wouldn't have remained if his body had burnt out as the energy he released on The Doctor charred and burns his shirt and suit jacket earlier in the episode therefore if the Master's full body burnt up it's highly possible that it disintergrated his clothes, as for The Doctor's statements about burning up his own life-force it's logical to assume that he burnt up his body before he could regenerate in theory. Allons-Y! 09:16, May 22, 2012 (UTC)