User:SOTO/Forum Archive/Inclusion debates/@comment-4028641-20170322025232/@comment-4028641-20170722184801

User:SOTO/Forum Archive/Inclusion debates/@comment-4028641-20170322025232/@comment-4028641-20170722184801 To expound, most of what has been said about Death's Head in previous forums (however little it that is) still stands in terms of the logic presented.

This falls down to two mentions, both linked in T:VS, which happen to have been scribed by CzechOut himself.

"Yes, if you follow the Death's Head character from start to finish then you have a connection between the Marvel UK Transformers to the mainstream Marvel universe. Since the Seventh Doctor is integral to the story of the original Death's Head (he's the one that shrinks DH down to humanoid size with the Master's Tissue Compression Eliminator, and he's the one that dumps DH off on top of the Baxter Building) there is a kind of oblique "crossover" between the DWU and the MU.

However, it's not a crossover at all, in any sort of business sense. The Doctor was always a part of the Marvel Universe, from the moment Marvel acquired the license. They were just mixing and matching Marvel UK characters. Many comic scholars postulate the existence of a single entity called the "Marvel UK universe" — which I'm sure today has a numerical designation in the way that Marvel like to number their universes — to which the Seventh Doctor and DH mutually belong. Thus, if they are part of the same universe, there really is no basis for the term "crossover". You can't crossover if you're part of the same universe!"

- CzechOut

Later, in Forum:Iris Wildthyme: should she stay or should she go?, CzechOut uses Death's Head as an example of how it might be dangerous to cover all of a character's stories simply because of a loose connected to the DWU (note that this quote is sort-of confusing, due to it being used as an argument against a series which is currently valid on our site).

"Like Tardis1963, I think it important to define with very slightly better precision what this wiki is about. For instance, it could be easily argued that the entire Marvel Universe is, in Josiah's words, one of the "interesting side-steps and discontinuities of the larger world of Doctor Who-related fiction", because we see the Seventh Doctor land on top of the Baxter Building in the pages of Death's Head (1988). Do we then add articles for the Fantastic Four here? Do we cover all of Death's Head's adventures here? I guess we could, but we haven't. We've limited ourselves, more or less, to those DH stories that have the Doctor or characters that originated in DWM. [Most of this is phrased as rhetorical. For every one of the above questions, imagine him immediately responding "No, this is a bad idea."]"

- CzechOut

I would not argue that Death's Head, outside of the boundaries of this publication, is by any means a "DWU character." Someone on the talk page for Head once suggested that we cover information pertaining to Death's Head III, due to some sort of retcon at the end of his story line connecting him to the original. There is no need to do such a thing, since this was not mentioned in any story of his that has any relevance to the DWU. In fact, it wasn't even mentioned until after Marvel lost the rights to Doctor Who.

Allow me to clarify that we use the judgement of something being a Doctor Who Universe story simple as a gauge to see if it was meant to be a companion to Doctor Who itself. A story can be set in the same universe as the Doctor through various connections and still not be meant to be a DWU story.

If this anthology didn't exist, there would be no need to re-discuss if we need to cover the Death's Head stories which feature She-Hulk or the Fantastic Four, because we have clear policy about what we do with "extended-crossovers".

The issue at hand is that TIDH is an in-universe collection made by a DWU character of events significant towards this DWU adventure. These once-irrelevant comics have evidently been reprinted as a part of an in-universe publication or database. They are now connected to the DWU simply because they are being shown as something that Hob views as important to finding Dogbolter. To quote Czech again:

"However, [these otherwise non-DWU stories] are a part of the fictional "Dalek Chronicles", so the conceit of the annual is that those two stories were of interest to the Daleks."

- CzechOut

Again, the conceit of this mini-series is that these otherwise non-DWU stories are all of personal interest to Dogbolter's assistant Hob.