User:SOTO/Forum Archive/Inclusion debates/@comment-4028641-20170322025232/@comment-33695797-20180919225423

User:SOTO/Forum Archive/Inclusion debates/@comment-4028641-20170322025232/@comment-33695797-20180919225423 Thank you all for your kind words.

So here’s the problem. It’s rather obvious the Fantastic Four don’t share a universe with the Doctor. If he were to travel to 2020 he wouldn’t find Iron Man either. But we’re never given this info in a Doctor Who related narrative, only in Marvel comics and even worse, handbooks. From a narrative standpoint, we only “know” the Doctor is from a different universe from the handbooks; we only know She-Hulk and the FF take place in a separate universe from the Doctor because of the continuity from their respective comics, which the Doctor never appears in. There’s only three times in TIDH where alternate realities are mentioned at all, and they don’t have to do with the Doctor. 1. Death's Head left the realm of Styrakos. 2. The “robot universe” is said to be parallel. and 3. more vaguely, when Reed Richards sends DH to 2020 he says specifically “I’ve unleashed Death's Head on the Earth of 2020!” (Explanation for the last one: the 2020 reality is “an alternate future for Earth-616” according to Marvel. They can happen from natural divergence or time travel. If you need further explanation see here: http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Glossary:Alternate_Future)

I guess our only other helpful note is that Marvel is fictional in the DWU. In fact Bill even mentions Mr. Fantastic in Smile, and there’s also The Return of Doctor Mysterio, among other things.