User talk:Jack "BtR" Saxon

Re: Edit war
Hm. Have you tried to talk to User:DrWHOCorrieFan about this on their talk page directly? How did they respond? Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 13:02, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Mh. Well, I would recommend that you leave a more elaborate message on their talk page first. Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 13:05, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

May be worth mentioning, but VisualEditor does weird stuff to code. If @DrWHOCorrieFan is using it, that would likely explain the addition of extra spaces.

I know that when I used to use it, when I added images to Wiki pages, for example, it would add code that sized the image, which is actually against a policy on the Wiki. 📯 📂 13:12, 26 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks for giving me the benefit of the doubt Epsilon, but no these edits were done intentionally as the spaces have been proven to encourage uniformity on other sites. DrWHOCorrieFan ☎  13:15, 26 April 2022 (UTC)


 * I have seen and nowhere does it state that the infobox has to be precisely mimicked, unless I am missing a vital bit of text. The edits I have been making are in the effort of encouraging uniformity and combating users leaving the infoboxes untidy. A lot of the infoboxes that I have been correcting have been in pretty substandard shape. DrWHOCorrieFan  ☎  13:22, 26 April 2022 (UTC)


 * I doubt that any editor copies and pastes the infobox information from that page, certainly none of the infoboxes that I have tried to tidy have been copied from there. Most copy from an existing page's infobox. DrWHOCorrieFan ☎  13:26, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
 * The overwhelming majority of infoboxes are also untidy and do not follow the strict uniformity of the template, so your point is lost on me. DrWHOCorrieFan ☎  13:29, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

R.E.: Sergeant vs Sargeant
Ah, thanks for pointing it out — I always forget if it's an e or a, and I often default to the phonetic spelling. Any instance of "Sargeant" is a typo, and I've already corrected myself many times. 📯 📂 11:14, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Renames
Hi Jack, just wanted to run something by you. I see that you've prepped a few pages for rename due to typos, and they've been sitting with for a few months now. Just so you know, it was recently realized that due to T:LOCAL RULES and the situation with the forums, there's no actual rule against non-admins moving pages, since "Most pages can be moved by any user."

- T:MOVE LOCK

As a result, it would actually be 100% legal for you to take care of those renames yourself, if you're interested. Hope you're well! – n8 (☎) 17:07, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

Re:Recent edits
As much as I appreciate you policing my every move on this site, it makes me feel incredibly welcome - really, but I do not appreciate the accusation that I have purposefully chosen to "ignore" any discussion. I have been adding those spaces for years, it is not as simply as me just stopping. It is a habit that I have found myself in that I've even found myself subconsciously doing it. DrWHOCorrieFan ☎  19:32, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Not policing my edits? Your recent edits of several pages from days ago suggest that you are going through my contribution history. I do feel like you were accusatory, and I also feel harassed by your approach. Please in future contact an admin if you have a further issue with me. DrWHOCorrieFan ☎  19:45, 4 May 2022 (UTC)


 * It is their job to act as a "go between" when a user feels harassed by another.


 * You have made several quite frankly nasty statements about me recently, you have continuously stalked through my edits, you have repeatedly been accusatory and left a message on User:NateBumber's about having not had chance to have replied to them because you have been busy reverting "vandalism" while the only reverts you've made in the past week are mine. Please do not contact me in future, an admin should be present in any further discussions between us. DrWHOCorrieFan ☎  19:55, 4 May 2022 (UTC)


 * You have performed 29 edits since April 27, out of those edits 16 of those are edits I have recently added and 4 of those are talkpage edits in discussion with me. I do not want this conversation to continue and do not require a reply, but please can we stop our interaction. DrWHOCorrieFan ☎  20:14, 4 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Here are the facts;


 * On 30th April NateBumber posted to your talkpage, you didn't reply until 4th May stating "sorry for taking so long to respond. I haven't had the time to do any editing but reverting vandalism for a while". However, out of the 50 edits you made prior to posting this statement (which went back as far as April 26th) 31 were reverting/changing my edits and 12 were posts to talkpages regarding/relating to me. That only leaves 7 other edits (none of which were reverting vandalism). I asked you to justify this and you backed up the accusation of vandalism against me by claiming "you will see that I have done nothing but revert vandalism since 27 April" but again... you only performed 29 edits between April 27th and making that comment most of which were edits reverting/changing mine.


 * It was a clear accusation of vandalism against me and I do not appreciate it. DrWHOCorrieFan ☎  20:33, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

Re:The Spaces
Again, please contact an admin if you have a problem with my edits. I feel harassed by you. DrWHOCorrieFan ☎  17:02, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

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Re: Unregistered contributor
Oh holy smokes, I had no idea it had been going on for six months. No wonder you just reverted it! Hopefully OS12 can say something to them, and in the meantime, I can take over the job of patrolling their edits. You've deserved a break! – Nate "Cannibal Giraffe" Bumber 22:03, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I'll take advantage of the heading created by N8 to chime in. So..... yeah, it's quite unfortunate that it's been going on for so long and so prolifically. I had seen the odd edit here and there, but wasn't aware of how many we'd gotten. If only they'd be willing to... make an account; that'd make it much easier to communicate and guide them.
 * Aaaargh, anyway. I feel quite bad giving someone with good intentions a block (however lengthy) and it usually doesn't even matter because IPs change over time, but it does look like this one's sticking, which gives us a unique chance to reach them out. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. OncomingStorm12th ☎  15:29, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Re: Image captions
You are not an admin, it is not your place to hound me for a potential rulebreak. And I have read Help:Image cheat card and fail to see where it says that a caption is required. Regardless, the images without captions are only temporary before I get round to making infoboxes. DrWHOCorrieFan ☎  17:17, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
 * The section you have quoted categorically does not state that a caption is required. It states that if a caption is added a source is required. DrWHOCorrieFan ☎  17:25, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
 * And as an admin has told me I will try my best to include one - but as I have already explained these captionless-images are only temporary before I get round to making infoboxes. You should have gone to an admin in the first place to ask them to have a word instead of taking it upon yourself, especially as the comment you made to me about Help:Image cheat card stating a source was required is incorrect. DrWHOCorrieFan ☎  17:34, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
 * And you seemingly don't understand how moral decency works, I have asked you in the past to limit your interaction with me after you made false claims about me edit warring, etc. I am glad you're not interested in arguing any further and I'm happy to leave this here, until the next time you engage with me. DrWHOCorrieFan ☎  17:45, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Kindly listen to users when they tell you that they feel harassed by you. DrWHOCorrieFan ☎  17:48, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
 * You should not be reaching out and engaging with a user that has expressed that they do not want to interact with you. And again, that "rule" is not even stated to be a rule - so you should have absolutely gone to an admin otherwise I'd have to take a non-admin's word for it. The page in question should be edited to reflect that rule, however, I believe such a rule would actually be against Wikipedia's stance as a whole; "Because Wikipedia is completely voluntary, under no circumstances are editors obliged or expected to make any edits". DrWHOCorrieFan ☎  17:56, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

BBC DVD covers
Hi, I've been gathering every BBC DVD cover image on the wiki into one of my sandboxes, in order to see where there are any missing covers or duplicates.

Pop over and have a look, and feel free to upload any of the missing covers.

User:Doc77can/sandbox12

P.S. I'm messaging several users so check the upload log first.

Doc77can ☎  20:26, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

About png images
Now, I know you said I shouldn't upload png files. The problem is the logos I've been uploading recently don't seem to support any other file type in their present form. The only way I could change the files to jpg is if I screenshotted the logo and uploaded that, which would remove the transparency. WaltK ☎  11:22, 1 December 2022 (UTC)


 * …would also like to apologise profusely for all the extra work I left you with with replacing all those images. Yikes. WaltK ☎  11:25, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

Petronella Osgood's... relative
Hiya @Jack "BtR" Saxon, you seem to be creating/updating a good bunch of pages of Osgood's family, and I was wondering if you are going to make Petronella Osgood's relative, detailing the hints that've been made to Osgood being related to Petronella? I think such a page would hold merit, but I haven't read/listened to any of the stories that make such hints, so I'm not the best suited for the job. 15:13, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

DrWHOCorrieFan
Hello — I've just received a rather strongly-worded complaint from User:DrWHOCorrieFan claiming a T:NPA violation from your talking about him "willfully ignoring" the rules. Although I would characterise that as more of an "assuming good faith" breach than a personal attack, I would agree that your message was wrongly accusatory — I think in context it's clear that DrWHOCorrieFan was saying he intended to ignore "messages from you" on principle, not that he intended to ignore policy.

Also, while your efforts to remind users of policy are in themselves praiseworthy, do remember that you aren't an admin and shouldn't behave in ways that might give people the wrong impression on that point. I notice that the wording of some of your latest messages have a sort official, intimidating tone to them. If someone is doing things that could result in them being blocked, and you want to advise them on how to proceed, please phrase it in terms of a fellow user giving advice, rather than someone making a vicarious threat of blocking on behalf of the admins.

So, all in all, consider this an admin-hat-on request to cool down, and apologise to DrWHOCorrieFan and exercise more good faith in the future. I debated at length whether to give you a (short) block over this; I think for now I'd better not, so that you can post the apology and we can hopefully deescalate this situation, but please understand that it is a close thing and that further intimidation of this type directed at DrWHOCorrieFan will result in such a disciplinary block being enacted.

(All this being said, if it weren't clear from my message to him, this does not constitute me unilaterally taking DrWHOCorrieFan's side in the object-level quarrel — you made multiple good points. The point, however, is in how to express them.) Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 14:40, 8 December 2022 (UTC)