Talk:The Toymaker

Title
Aren't we cheating according to our naming conventions with this page? I would've thought that, like the Doctor, the Monk, the Master, the Rani and the 456, this character is properly the Celestial Toymaker, not just Celestial Toymaker. Course, that would mean changing The Celestial Toymaker to The Celestial Toymaker (TV story). Anyone else think this should be changed?  Czech Out  ☎ | ✍  00:13, December 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * Isn't he often called just "Toymaker" by the Sixth, Seventh and Eighth Doctors? In the same way the Tenth calls the Master, "Master", so the the 'Celestial' part is inferred to be his title? --Tangerineduel 12:59, December 29, 2010 (UTC)

My Wish
I wish they'd﻿ bring back the celestial toymaker. When I watched the serial, I was surprised by how good it was. He was a great villain, there's so much they could do with the character.

Gotta agree with you, but the talk page meant for discussions about how to improve this article, and not for saying your opinion about its subject. Opinions should go to The Howling :) Puchplimmirdeyslithin ☎  20:52, June 2, 2013 (UTC)

An Old One or a Guardian?
I was just wondering how we should classify the Toymaker. In both Divided Loyalties and The Quantum Archangel he's explicitly stated as being one of Guardians of Time. Yet in The Nightmare Fair (audio story) the Doctor states that he "originated in another universe before this one" meaning presumaely the Pre-Universe, where the Old Ones live, and also in both The Magic Mousetrap and Black and White the Doctor and Ace individually refer to him as an Elder God, which is another name for Great Old One. So I just wanted some clarification on whether he should be classified as one or not? If so I'll include Great Old One in his "species" column and mention it in "List of Great Old Ones". But I just wanted your thoughts before making the edits. Sutekh&#39;sGift ☎  17:22, June 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * As I recall, the backstory to Craig Hinton's work on the subject is that the Guardians, including the Toymaker, were the High Council of Time Lords (or rough equivalent) of the universe preceding this one - in other words, the two accounts of the Toymaker's identity are consistent. But I can't recall whether this is explicitly stated in any of his published books.86.178.206.178talk to me 19:18, December 14, 2013 (UTC)