User:SOTO/Forum Archive/Inclusion debates/@comment-28349479-20161216221639/@comment-88790-20161227163418

I've gone back and re-read (most) of Miles' interview which is cited at the top of this mammoth post.

And as one of the original people involved in the cited previous discussions involved in this it seems I must come in again. During the original discussion I was willing to be swayed in either direction, as the facts presented themselves, and again here again now this is the case. (Also thank you to TheChampionOfTime for prodding my talk page bringing me here)

Observations which aren't totally relevant to this particular discussion
 * The "too hard basket" argument for re-integration isn't a valid one, not for this discussion.
 * The FP Wiki's state of disarray is not something that should affect this discussion here.
 * As far as integration goes (which would be an entirely different discussion) although as Fwhiffahder points out early in the discussion, unless there is something narrative linking say the War King to the Master it would be treated as a separate page. (This, however would be a separate discussion)

It can be said that what Miles says isn't that much removed, (as others have said in this thread) from Graceless, Iris Wildthyme etc. Which all often seem to be a case of the 'separate but connected universes' concept.

One thing that I alluded to back then and is probably still valid is that LM's interview back then was seen as a negative reaction against DW fandom and the DW universe. It's this that possibly swayed how it was interpreted; selectively as it was.

NateBumber has made a lot of reasoned points throughout this discussion.

As this discussion has unfolded it certainly seems there is a greater weight of evidence towards re-inclusion. Or on the flip side if we were to argue again for it not to remain excluded it could also be argued more drastically (though not something I would support) to look again at cutting back on Iris, Time Hunter etc and other series' inclusion.

I would say that my post on this discussion isn't the end all, and I look forward to CzechOut's response, as he was one of the driving forces behind the original discussions.

I would also say there shouldn't be any urgency to get this sorted before the S10 premier as NateBumber asks. Compared to previous inclusion debates this has happened at light-speed. And this is one of the first times we've had to go back to previous discussions & rulings like this.