User talk:Tangerineduel/Archive 3

Changes to archiving coming
Mini-mitch recently reminded me of a bit of unfinished java code that I'd installed s few months ago. It makes the archiving of talk and user talk pages much easier.

I thought all this time it didn't work, but thanks to mini-mitch's prodding, I've discovered with the developer that there's actually what seems to be a Mac-specific bug when attempting to use it in the Oasis/Wikia/Default skin. Thus, ironically, the tech admin couldn't see his own tech upgrade.

As a Windows user — at least I think you're a Windows user — you will have long noticed an option under the edit drop-down on talk pages. if you use it now you'll sort of be able to archive pages, but you'll get a redlinked template. So it's not ready for prime time.

But now that the developer and I seem to have identified the issue, I think that this feature will be coming fully online by the end of the month at the outside. I'll of course keep you posted. And when it's ready there'll be help files, announcements on the community-corner and in the Panopticon as usual. That said, the feature may fully work before the announcements. However, I don't want to make announcements before I can give definitive instructions to fellow Mac users.

At the moment, it is available to Mac users, but only in Monobook. That may be how it stays, but I want to be able to either say, "Mac users must use Monobook skin to see this feature" or "All users will find this feature under the edit button whilst on talk: and user talk: pages."

I'm really sorry that we've had a not-quite-functional button under the edit menu on talk pages all this time, but I just couldn't see it. 02:28:50 Sun 22 May 2011
 * Oh cool, you're a Mac user. So you're definitely using the wikia skin and you're definitely not seeing this archive thing in the edit/leave messge menu, even after purging your cache?


 * What version of OS X and your browser(s) are you using? If I can get another Mac user to confirm my won findings, then it's not just my personal system, and I can maybe kick it up to Wikia Central as a platform specific issue that they might look at.   16:16:46 Sun 22 May 2011
 * Ah hah! This is good, this is a lead.  Can you go under Apple menu | About this Mac | More info then scroll down to Software | Applications, then go to the "J"s in the list of applications and give me the version numbers of everything starting with the word "Java"?  So, "java Preferences, Java Web Start, and Java (version number) Plugin Settings.  Also, please go under Software | Frameworks and again give me the Framework Name and version of everythign beginning with "Java" (should be about seven things).    It'd be really helpful.   17:06:51 Sun 22 May 2011


 * I can't see the archive button itself — well, technically I can now, but only by use of a workaround, which means I'm not seeing it through the same code as you — so I can't detect whether my changes are making the "double vision" disappear.  Could you please clear your cache and tell me if you're still seeing two archive buttons?   15:46:24 Thu 26 May 2011

PNG format
What is wrong with the PNG format? RVSP, BroadcastCorp. 12:49, May 25, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, okay, sorry I added PNG pictures. Should I convert them to JPG? And sorry for putting my message at the top of the page, I just thought you could notice it most there. BroadcastCorp 16:15, May 25, 2011 (UTC)

Problem report on 25 May
Your front page problems have been fixed. Not quite sure why the printfooter (that little message about being "retrieved from tardis wikia") started appearing on the front page. It's been there a while, and I assumed it to be something to do with the changes to the wikia skin that happened a couple of months ago. It's the involuntary "stamp" you get when you print out a page from the wikia. In any case, I've forcibly shut it down. The center tag thingie was showing up because of the new feature I added to the front page yesterday. I forgot to close the center tag at Doctor Who Wiki/FastFacts, and thus the open tag cascaded down the page as far as it could until it hit another open center tag, which confused it.

The other business you're discovering on the talk page is sort of a knock-on effect of what's going on with the ArchiveTool thingie. You're basically right in your assessment of the "collision" that's going on. It'll get fixed soon. It kind of only affects admins, because only we have so many options in our edit dropdown. Normal users shouldn't have enough lines in their dropdown to experience the collision. In the meantime, of course, you can just use your footer tools to achieve whatever you can't currently access under the edit dropdown. 14:33:14 Wed 25 May 2011
 * You should now no longer be experiencing collision. If you are, please clear your cache and check again.  Can you tell me whether you're seeing one archive button or two under the edit dropdown.   16:11:45 Wed 25 May 2011

Protecting the Eye Patch Lady article
To me I think it is unnecessary to lock the page. The least you could do is protect it. I have some contributions and images to add to that article and now I can't because it's locked. RSPB, BroadcastCorp. 19:55, May 28, 2011 (UTC)

More about our presence on wikia.com/Entertainment
We were looking to change the description underneath our wiki name on the Entertainment top 10 list. Well, I found where they got the text from: MediaWiki:Description. I've since changed it to be basically what we actually say on our front page, as you can see by clicking the link. They've obviously not just linked there, cause it's had no immediate effect. Perhaps they scrape everybody's MediaWiki:Description page once a day, or once a week. I say let's leave it a week. If our description doesn't change by the premiere of the mid-season finale, we'll assume sulfur was right and they've just got it gathering dust on an internal server somewhere. Then, we'll Special:Contact them and ask them to please use our current Description. That'll give you a chance to tweak the language a bit. 14:14:47 Sun 29 May 2011
 * Just to follow up on this, changing MediaWiki:Description did work to change our presence at Entertainment. As you suspected, though, the wiki coding for italics and bold type wasn't parsed by that page, so we currently have some stray inverted commas around.  However, I changed the description to remove those quotation marks, so on the next update, we should be fine.   06:59:11 Sat 11 Jun 2011

Wikia welcome template
Not sure if you saw my comment here, but at MA, we came up with a clever trick to work around the "template subst'ing" that the Wikia bot does. -- sulfur 22:34, May 30, 2011 (UTC)

Tardis:image requests
So I was performing the final archive on Forum:Image Requests, and was trying to explain why Tardis:Image requests had been deleted. You'd given the rationale of "not really required anymore", when it struck me that I didn't really know why it would have been deleted. Yes, there's Special:WantedFiles, but that's not really the same thing as tardis:image requests, because the latter allows users to fully describe the kinda picture they were looking for. Why did you say it wasn't necessary anymore, if you can remember? Was it just that people weren't using the page, because by now most editors know how to take basic screenshots? 02:05:04 Tue 31 May 2011
 * You might want to take a look at Forum:The Special:Import feature. 08:47:01 Tue 31 May 2011

Persistent talk pages
Yeah, that's interesting. I suppose the question I'd have is why anyone would save an orphaned talk page. I don't think I've ever left behind a talk page if I've deleted a main page. I mean, what's the point of having Talk:Patchwork person around? The only thing that does is keep "patchwork person" a searchable term that brings up the ns;1 page instead of the ns:0 one. I suppose that means people might be deterred from re-starting a patchwork person page, but I'd tend to think we don't want to expose ordinary readers directly to a talk page through the search box. Also, since this isn't the usual practice with deletion, people might wonder why sometimes a search for a deleted page results in the talk page coming up, and sometimes, most times, it doesn't. If Skittles was worried about people recreating patchwork person, I would have thought creation protection more effective. This way, if someone did recreate the page, the old talk page would be attached to a new page. That could become potentially very confusing. In my view, if Skittles — or any other admin — is generally deleting only ns:0 when he deletes a page, he should probably change his practices. Plenty of pages get deleted at one moment in time but are successfully revived later. Resurrected pages really shouldn't have an old version of the talk page attached to them. 16:05:37 Tue 31 May 2011

Page merge request
The pages Little Girl (The Impossible Astronaut) and River Song should be merged as it has been revealed on Doctor Who that they are the same person, so there is not really a point in them being two different places. Will the action of merging be taken? 90.210.131.149 18:55, June 4, 2011 (UTC)

grrrr
195.93.21.41 13:17, June 5, 2011 (UTC)  why did you delete  my  page??!!!

Page Formatting
Ever consider inserting to the top of every article so that the text can be justified?

-- Deb1701

Cybermen
As We need to record the parts of the cybermen in The Pandorica Opens (TV story), and A Good Man Goes to War, but it is unspecified whether or not they are the Original or Cybus cybermen, should a separate page be created like with Cyberman (Blood of the Cybermen), something like cyberman (series 5&6)? I wasn't sure where to suggest this so I did it here. Thanks--{{SUBST:User:Kingofall42/SigReal|{{SUBST:{Predated }}}}.

Thanks
I'll wait until the second half is screened before starting anything. Thanks--{{SUBST:User:Kingofall42/SigReal|{{SUBST:{Predated }}}}. 15:37, June 6, 2011 (UTC)

Rename
Could you rename the Cyber-Lord (The Next Doctor), to just Cyber-Lord please. They isn't really enough info for a specific page, and both Cyber-Controller, and Cyber-Leader ranks have their own pages. Thanks--{{SUBST:User:Kingofall42/SigReal|{{SUBST:{Predated }}}}. 11:19, June 7, 2011 (UTC)

Series 7
Hi, I don't know who to ask really but we have had official confirmation that 14 new episodes are to be made with Matt Smith! I understand this is a wikia that go on facts and people vandal but could the page be made and then locked? There are losts of sources and discussions being made on the talk page of Series 7. -- Michael Downey 15:11, June 9, 2011 (UTC)

A sticky wicket
Regarding Forum:Users should be allowed any youtube video on their user page that you wanted me to look at, I'm growing concerned by the surprising turn the conversation has taken. doctorpenguin has now asserted that video I deleted was actually something he created. You should briefly restore and look at video:Tim Foulkes is Doctor Who - 1. If it is of this user, then we have a problem of an underage user, I think. And I'll need your help, because I'm not quite sure how Wikia rolls with this. Clearly he won't be able to post the video because it's personal info and he's under 13. (Even if it's not him, we can't allow that particular video, because it's of someone who's more than likely under 13.) But I'm not sure what that means for editing. Can he edit if he's under 13? Do we need to do a Special:Contact thing and figure out for sure? I've never dealt with this issue before. 05:38:44 Fri 10 Jun 2011
 * Here's a discussion from Wookieepedia that's pretty useful. But it's four years old. So I've left a note at Sannse's talk page, as she was the "official" voice of Wikia in the Wookiee discussion.   06:04:37 Fri 10 Jun 2011

Logo in monobook
To sidestep the other issues we were discussing (but check out latest developments at the video policy forum page we were talking about), I wanted to ask you something while I was thinking about it. What's the name of the file which contains the site logo for monobook? I was browsing with monobook today and noticed that our logo has disappeared. I forget what the Monobook equivalent of wordmark is. I know the feature hasn't been disabled by Wikia, because other sites are still displaying logos in Monobook. 21:17:35 Fri 10 Jun 2011
 * Yeah, I don't know what's goin' on. The original logo was indeed at file:wiki.png.  But it wasn't showing up.  So I moved it to file:OldWikiLogo.png, delete wiki.png, then uploaded a brand new, thinner logo.  I even made file:logo.png a redirect, as it is on central.  Nothing's happened yet.  Checked around some more at various wikis and theires are all still showing the logo.  Can't figure it out.   14:47:18 Sat 11 Jun 2011

Masters template
See talk page. And yes, I will have another look at the "canon policy".

Screenshot
Hey, I'm not entirely sure, but would there need to be some mention about the joint production of the Doctor Who telemovie in the licensing of screenshots from it? By this, I mean that it wasn't just a BBC show. Skittles the hog-- Talk 17:35, June 17, 2011 (UTC)

Chatting?
Hi :) thanks for helping me out earlier.

I was just curious. Um... is there a message board or something like that on this Wiki where people can just chat about Doctor Who or do I have to go to an regular Fansite for that?

(I admit I don't know how Wikis fully work and for a while I had been abusing the discussion pages mistaking them for actual "Chatting areas")

Moogleknight24 12:53, July 5, 2011 (UTC)Moogleknight24

Just a question:
How do you become a sysop? BroadcastCorp. 17:01, July 11, 2011 (UTC)

Wiki spotlight
Hey, so user:Ausir has answered a question we had months back: how do we get our wiki in the wiki spotlights at the bottom of the page? As you've no doubt seen, he's done it for us with the Torchwood ads, but if we want it in future, we'd make a submission at community:talk:Wikia Spotlights. Easy. 17:12:21 Tue 12 Jul 2011

Bureaucracy and other stuff
Yeah, that's probably a good idea. There are a couple of tech issues having to do with bureaucrat status, that I've wanted to explore. Thanks for your confidence in me.

And yah, the background doesn't fully work, at all zoom levels. But then that's true of any wiki. If you zoom a couple of times, the background is gone. I don't really intend for this background to be here forever, but I thought we needed something up quickly, since Ausir got us effectively rebranded as the Torchwood wiki. I was kinda hoping that because there's a cardiac cycle running across the whole top of the page, people would get curious enough to zoom out just to see what it was, and then zoom back. About the best you can do with these backgrounds, I think, is to make sure they're fully visible when a browser, at default zoom, is focused on a page. And the design is fine until you hit the second zoom stop in both Firefox and Safari.

I've made it clear at Tardis:Background image submissions that we are still looking for more submissions. One of the problems with Miracle Day, of course, is that we've had relatively few images to work with, since it's effectively a new property. So I'm kinda hoping that maybe by week 3, people will have been able to get a sense of how to illustrate this series.

Thanks for the tardis:signature policy kudos. We might actually need to debate that at some point in the forum. I do think we should implement a maximum height policy and a no pic policy. I've seen both of these elsewhere, and they make good, common sense. The height shouldn't be more than 14pt, because that'll interrupt the natural flow of text. Imagine if someone attached a 200px-high pic to their sig! They could do it now, under the current policy. But man would that screw up forum threads. Also, we should probably disallow pics, or at least pics that aren't demonstrably in the public domain. The height policy would effectively derail the use of most pics, but there's no fair-use rationale for copyrighted pics in signatures.

I should also specifically direct your attention, just in case you haven't gotten other messages about it, to tardis:chat policy. It was an emergency measure since Ausir was able to fast-track implementation of the chat extension yesterday. Do feel free to modify or discuss in forums. It was necessary, I (and Mini-mitch) felt, to have something in place as quickly as possible.

I've now finalized the archiving bit we talked about now months ago, and am preparing documents to go live with it. I notice talk of archiving talk:The Master and there was that unfortunate archiving of talk:Howling Halls a while back. Should we roll out an archiving policy along with the new archive tool? If so, would you care to take that one? <span style="">17:10:56 Wed 13 Jul 2011

Chat moderator status and other stuff
Yeah, I know what you mean. This is one of those little tech issues I wanted to explore by getting bureaucrat status, so thanks again for that bump up. It does appear to bureaucrats that chatmod status needs to be granted to admins. But such is not the case. Admins are automatically mods, despite what Special:User rights management might appear to indicate. If you pop into the chat room, you'll see that you have a gold star next to your name, meaning that you're a moderator. The other day, I was talking to Mini-mitch and Skittles and Revan in chat, and they all consistently had mod stars next to their names, whereas other users didn't.

The interesting question is what would happen if a bureaucrat used Special:User rights management to intentionally deprive an admin of chatmoderator status. Would they lose it? Can it be overridden? I don't know, but I'll play around with it next time I've got a guinea pig in the room.

And I didn't think you were complaining about the background. I was just explaining that backgrounds are usually pretty irrelevant on most wikia wikis to editors. Most editors tend to zoom in at least a little bit, because they're trying to make sure they see each letter clearly. Zoom twice and the background is effectively gone. I'm really hoping that someone out there steps up to do some backgrounds, thoguh, cause I'm just kinda doin' what can be done quickly. I'm under no illusion that my backgrounds have thus far been really fantastic.

I do think archiving policy should be under tardis:archiving policy, rather than buried under some other policy. It's just easier to type see our tardis:arhiving policy rather than see our tardis:discussion policy Oh and since I've now changed tardis:help to automatically add new policies to that page, it'll pop up there as soon as you make it.

As for beefing up tardis:signature policy, I'm thinking that the best way forward there may be general discussion in the forum, because we are talking about abridging some users will think are unassailable. The discussion would also serve to educate people as to things they've probably never thought of with respect to their signatures. And, y'know, if the community decides that 120px, for example, isn't too big, then that's what they decide. I don't really have a horse in that race other than wanting to get some kind of better definition. (Though personally, I think if a 300px signature, for instance, is illustrated, few users will agree to it.) <span style="">15:07:26 Thu 14 Jul 2011