User:SOTO/Forum Archive/The Panopticon/@comment-86.174.105.135-20161211174119/@comment-5918438-20161215221422

User:SOTO/Forum Archive/The Panopticon/@comment-86.174.105.135-20161211174119/@comment-5918438-20161215221422 The Lord of the Manner is still Five, but his body is burned and decayed, and lived for hundreds of thousands, even millions, of years past the Fifth Doctor's actual experience in that story. So it's definitely fair to count him separately.