Howling:River Song in Series 5

I was just looking at the River Song page and noticed a mention of "Crash of the Byzantium" under her time line. Looking at the photos from the start of filming, it certainly looks like the crash of something... Raukodraug 21:10, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Specifically, a ship called the Byzantium. --Golden Monkey 23:49, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
 * So then if the time line located in her article is correct, then, from her perspective, this will not have been the first time she met the Doctor. --Raukodraug 14:16, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * also thats another trip of the tenth doctor that didn't get shown (unless the meeting was with the 11th looking like the 10th) --Ajax752 20:32, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

72.221.71.209 00:34, October 24, 2009 (UTC)this is a pic from the same location showing a woman who looks like river
 * ah up rive joins the army but when and when does she become a archoligist--Ajax752 20:34, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

Has anyone realised that she seems to be wearing handcuffs. Could she be a bad girl when the doctor discovers her??? Michael Downey 12:01, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

She could be the Rani; the Doctor could use a chameleon arch on her (and keep it), creating the River Song identity...with knowledge of the Doctor and Time Lord lore, she'd be less inclined to have the curiosity of John Smith or Professor Yana (with it all being a part of her created identity) just a thought. Either that or his coursthip with River works in reservse (i.e. the first time he meets her is the last time she sees him and as he gets to know her more and more, it gets to be earlier and earlier into their relationship.) - CB

Ahh, so that could be why she called the Tenth Doctor "so young", seeing as the last Doctor she saw looked a lot older (McCoy being in his 40s at the time). Then the Rani sees him again as River Song. Hmmm... interesting...

DoctorWhotheF*** - 18:30 - Nov. 11. '09.

I very much doubt that River Song is the Rani. Its starting to get ridiculous that everyone thinks everyone is someone else. Remember back in the day when people where the same people lol. Bit of sarcasim there Michael Downey 20:29, November 14, 2009 (UTC)


 * Seriously, don't we all know that River Song is the 13th incarnation of The Doctor? She can't be The Rani, because The Rani is actually Kamelion, who's really a Raston Warrior Robot refitted with Gundan memory chips by the Brigadier, who's actually a future version of Martha Jones who traveled back into the past after a genetic accident at Torchwood turned her into a white man. None of which has anything to do with the real question, which is whether Wilfred Mott is really a meta-crisis Davros or the reincarnation of Adric. --99.170.146.147 10:55, December 28, 2009 (UTC)


 * See, at least SOMEBODY'S making sense. DoctorWhotheF***
 * See, at least SOMEBODY'S making sense. DoctorWhotheF***

i think you are the only one sir. River is Moffat's creation so he has the can do what he wants with the character in terms of longevity in the series. Geffe71 17:29, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

Well, m theory is that river song is just Amy Pond (the 11th's confirmed companion), but older, seeing as how they have similar names, they were both supposedly at that crash (supposedly with the 11th doctor), and they both have red hair. I guess we'll have to wait 'till we actually see her in the show before making any supportable theories, though.74.162.27.142 18:34, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

River Song meets Amy Pond, they star in two episode together. River also has mudy blonde hair, a black dress, sunglasses, and a little gun in series 5. Really doesn't sound like she would be older Amy Pond to me. Delton Menace 19:12, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

River Song has been confirmed in DW Magazine that she will be appearing in episode 4 and 5. This is not confirmed but I'M sure the weeping angels will be in these episodes with her due to it being 1) a double episode, 2) Written by Steven Moffat and 3) When pictures have been taken of her on set she has been in a army suit which is extremely similar to the army mens suits in the trailer which are fighting the angels. THIS could mean that River song is a human from earth who is part of an army team such as unit or a new unknown one that is fighting this threat?? Just a theory but thinks everything links in to it if anyone has other opinions I'd be happy to argue against it lol :D. -- Michael Downey 22:28, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Well, a link to the episode title info (though a few are untitled so far) for what the episodes are planned to be called, episodes 4 and 5 mentioned River Song and thhe Weeping Angels. I think the first of the two parter is planned to be called Flesh & Stone. Delton Menace 01:29, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

Well ep4 aired last night featuring River Song, lots of pointers suggesting that there is a deeper mystery to this character so I've done a little research into the name and guess what? The Hebrew translation of My Song is Rani, has that nailed it for you? Not so fast, thats only half the name at this point I have no idea what to do about the name River, I've been kicking it around for a while River could relate to time stream but that doesn't seem clever enough so I'm going to keep watching to see if there any more pointers. Anyone have a further theory?


 * I think the Rani/Song thing is a hell of a stretch. She's The Rani, not Rani--her name is actually Ushas--and clearly that's a title (like Doctor, Master, War Chief, Monk, ...) that she took as a familiar authority-figure type that fits her personalty. While it's not so familiar anymore, since nobody makes Exotic Indian Adventure stories anymore, a Rani (the wife of a Rajah, or sometimes the daughter, or sometimes even a woman ruling in his place) used to be a common character to throw into such stories--often a stereotypical dominant aristocratic woman who was smarter than her doddering husband.


 * Also, until recent decades, the Hebrew name Rani (which is not the Hebrew translation of "my song", but it is a traditional name meaning "Song", so close enough was a boys' name. It's only under the influence of some famous Indian actresses named Rani that it's also become a girls' name in Israel. And of course the very common Indian girls' name (as in Rani Chandra, Sarah Jane's first-season sidekick) doesn't mean "Song", it means "Princess".


 * It's not impossible that Moffat is thinking along the same lines as you. Maybe he knows a Jewish couple who recently had a daughter and named her Rani, and asked what it meant, and was told, "Song", and thought, "Aha! I can finally give the fans someone who's the Rani in disguise!" But, as I said, it seems like a hell of a stretch.


 * There's clearly a lot of mystery about River, but I don't think the mystery is that she's actually any familiar old character in disguise. The mystery about Rose was that she was the Bad Wolf Entity because she was going to absorb the TARDIS core. The mystery about Donna was that she was predestined to become a human/Time Lord hybrid and save the entire multiverse. The mystery about Jack was that he would later become the Face of Boe. The mystery about Adam was that they let him stay on the show for even 2 episodes. I know the Moff isn't RTD, but I suspect he'll go for something even more subtle than those mysteries, not less so.


 * But I could be wrong.


 * PS, You should sign your posts with four tildes or the Signature button. --Falcotron 03:11, April 26, 2010 (UTC)

Yet another crazy River Song theory, which a friend of mine brought up and I haven't yet seen in online fandom:

Could River die at the end of every adventure with the Doctor?

Time is in flux. Some people are a fixed point, and nothing at all can change around them. Maybe some people are the exact opposite, and things always change around them. (Yes, we started out talking about the Brig in this context....)

Each time the Doctor meets River, it's earlier in her life, and each time he's "supposed" to save her, but only ends up delaying her death by a few hours. Kind of like in Genesis of the Daleks he was supposed to stop the Daleks, but only pushed them back about 100 years, so they still ended up eventually getting to the LGTW, and even the Reality Bomb. He just can't stop nearly wiping out the Daleks over and over but never quite pulling it off, screwing up history each time. And he just can't stop nearly saving River over and over but never quite pulling it off, screwing up history in a much smaller way each time.

And imagine what a tragic story this would be. Every time they meet, the Doctor has more and more horrible memories of failing to save her. But, because she's running in the opposite order, as far as she knows, he's always saved her every time so far. Until the last time they meet, which will be the first time for her--she won't even know who he is, and won't trust him. And she'll be right not to, but for the wrong reasons.

And of course he'll never find out what any of the spoilers were about, because each time she dies, all of the history in between that time and the previous one (for him, next for her) will be wiped out.

OK, I doubt the Moff is thinking this. But I believe that if he _were_ thinking this, he could pull it off brilliantly. --Falcotron 03:14, April 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * Tell your friend that's one heck of an intriguing theory! I love it 86.26.137.154 09:30, April 27, 2010 (UTC)