Talk:Series 6 (Doctor Who)

Episode Names.
None of the names of the episodes have been revealed so they should be removed from the page until confirmation happens which will not be for a long time. Episode titles should be changed back to (TBA). 92.6.80.22 10:21, June 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * All titles, including that of the Christmas special will need to be removed. I have added a cleanup tag until this is done. Tardis1963 10:35, June 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Which it now has been. :) Woulda done it myself but don't have the time or patience. Tardis1963 10:43, June 27, 2010 (UTC) The 2010 christmas special is named 'A Christmas Carol' after the novel by Charles Dickens, and features the doctor being the ghost of Christmas Past.

2011 Christmas special
Don't jump the gun, folks. I just removed a comment "presuming a 2011 Christmas special". Aside from being waaaaay premature, if such a special is announced, it will be part of Series 7, just as the 2010 special was announced in the context of it being Series 6. If it's handled differently (as was Series 4 which actually saw two Christmas specials filmed during its production schedule) we'll know in due course. But the production of the 2010 special hasn't even begun yet. 23skidoo 18:59, March 19, 2010 (UTC)

Karen Gillan
Though I can't see all of it due to subscription lock, this source claims she is back next series and it appears to be reputable.--Golden Monkey 19:48, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

I folloed the source on the page, and it seems pretty vaige. Can anyone find a better one? Because I can't, and I beleive that without a reliable source we can't be completley sure that Amy will be returning. Hope so, though! : ) MidnightCat 11:47, May 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * When they confirmed Matt Smith returning at the press conference, they didn't confirm the return of Karen. My guess is that they were waiting to see how she faired with the audience. My guess is she will be back at some point. The Thirteenth Doctor 20:58, May 28, 2010 (UTC)

2010 Christmas Special
Why is the information about the 2010 Christmas Special on this page. In the past the Christmas Specials have always been classed to the previous series. Therefore this needs to be removed and be placed on Series 5. -- Michael Downey 21:38, March 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Not sure I follow you, here. Christmas specials are the beginning of the new series. 2005 is the start of 2006 series; 2006 the beginning of the 2007 series, and so on, with the 2009 specials being a bit of an oddity. From a production standpoint, all but the 2008 special have been filmed after a hiatus, so they're clearly not a part of the previous series in terms of production. In terms of marketing, they've all been in the box set of the next year's stories. And it will be no different with the 2010 special. It's not going to be on the series 5 box set, which will clearly come out before the special is even made.  Czech Out  ☎ | ✍ 01:19, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

If you wish to discuss this further, then please visit the 'series wars' thread on the forums.Dalekcaan14 20:07, May 19, 2010 (UTC)

Its now november we have a title, we have a cast & we have a basic plot. Should we think about creating the page? Joshoedit 05:00, November 5, 2010 (UTC) No SJA series 4 needs ALOT of work before we focus ob christmas Joshoedit 05:45, November 17, 2010 (UTC)

Jonathan Ross
There was an interview with Matt Smith on the Jonathan Ross show, and he revealed info about the series. I can't remember it though, so somebody'll have to look it up on BBC iPlayer, because Episode 6 was revealed. 17:36, March 29, 2010 (UTC)

RTD to write for Series 6
RTD will write an episode for this series - confirmed here 188.221.79.22 10:14, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

That's called an April Fool. -- Dragonfree  19:53, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Thank heaven it is an April Fool. Bluebox444 22:30, April 26, 2010 (UTC)

Its August. Who7 09:56, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

unconfirmed cast
If it's unconfirmed - why have it in the article? 188.221.79.22 19:32, April 4, 2010 (UTC)

Joanna Page has not been confirmed either - The reference won't load, but the original story was by a less-than-reputable tabloid newspaper 'The Daily Star'. Both Page and the BBC have since denied involvement. So she needs to be removed... and people should be more careful over the use of the word 'confirmed'86.184.48.234 01:32, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

Series numbering
Moffat's made it very clear that this is not series 6, period. The internal production numbering will be "2". Maybe we should stick with "32".

67.241.25.16 02:09, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

The reason he made is clear that this isn't season 6 is because he was afraid of losing big name sponsors, who are usually put off by a season 6 kind of thing. Nobody's really sure how to refer to it yet. Or at least, BBC isn't. Musedae 19:50, May 4, 2010 (UTC)

Same as Series 5... we still aren't clear on that either! --The Brig 10:40, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

Joanna Page

 * The rumour had been removed by Mini-Mitch for no reason so I re-added. It has been confirmed by the Daily Star and I know they have had some un-true information in the past but they have also had some truths.(example of the titles for series 5 finale, months before the first title being confirmed) so it shall remain in the rumours page until properly confired or denied. -- Michael Downey 18:56, May 28, 2010 (UTC)

Rory
How do you know that it is likely Rory will return? 72.82.17.84 00:52, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

He won't be appearing in Series 6. But he will make an appearance in the Christmas Special 2010 due to Amy and Rory's honeymoon. Because Amy can't have a honeymoon by herself. Who7 09:57, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

It is highly unlikely that he will not be in series 6 considering Moffat said he would. Several times. The Thirteenth Doctor 12:01, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

It has been confirmed by Stephen Moffat that Rory will be a regular in this series; in DWM 426 he talks of the series split and the "enormous, game-changing cliffhanger for the Doctor, Amy and Rory", and Neil Gaiman confirms he wrote for Rory in DWM 427. Other multiple sources have since supported this, so could someone change the article so that it says Arthur Darvill will return along with Matt and Karen? Thanks 92.235.135.70 18:31, November 9, 2010 (UTC)

Enemies
Although no enemies have been confirmed, I'd love to see the return of Daleks, Weeping Angels, a Torchwood monster (like the Weevils) and a classic monster (like the Zygons) And since the Daleks have appeared in every other series, it is highly likely they will return. Also I'd like to see some new monsters (for at least 4 of the 10 stories)Fallen5 19:33, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * The Weeping Angels shouldn't return for at least another series. Anyway, this shouldn't be discussed here. Use the forums. 19:45, May 3




 * one enemy has been confirmed by stevan moffat and that is the silence look it up on youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ihzu-OPa4g4
 * The only enemy that appears to be confirmed is the flying Shark in the 2010 Christmas Special which, if the conclusion of the third Adventure Game was correct, suggests the Christmas Special begins in London in the twenty-third century after the Great Flood. 86.170.161.145 22:56, August 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * The only enemy that appears to be confirmed is the flying Shark in the 2010 Christmas Special which, if the conclusion of the third Adventure Game was correct, suggests the Christmas Special begins in London in the twenty-third century after the Great Flood. 86.170.161.145 22:56, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

It's very unlikely that the Christmas special will be straight on following the third Adventure Game for a few reasons.

1. Rory is going to appear as it is their honeymoon and there is no Rory in the games

2. The special is going to have a Christmas Carol twist and I heavily doubt that there will be a shark from the 23rd century there.

Adlerj 22:13, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

Omega
Why do people keep insisting that Omega will return? I've seen the rumors, and that's all they are obviously, flying around all through the build-up for Season 5 and now, not 24 hours after the finale to Season 5 has aired, people are once again insisting that Omega will return in Season 6. Let us remember that Omega is a Time Lord and all the Time Lords are gone, except The Doctor. I know, I know...they brought back The Master (why wouldn't they? he's been a recurring Doctor Who foe for a long, long time) and, very briefly, Rassillon, but that was only for a two-part finale episode. Omega does not qualify as a major foe, and in all honesty doesn't deserve to come back (my opinion only). Let's stop the Omega rumors. ScoutDaddy70 15:00, June 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * Omega could come back because he's in the antimatter universe, and may not have even partisipated in the Time war. He could be breaking through to this universe again and thats whats causing the cracks, it just a possibility. Evilyoda 19:28, June 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * I understand all that, however, for it to be an actual "spoiler" it needs to be based somewhere, somehow, on some facts. Has there been discussion of Omega from Moffat? Have the actors let slip anything? Or is all this Omega talk just the talk of fans hoping it is Omega? That's what I mean. Are people just wishing or are there concrete facts to back up this rumor? ScoutDaddy70 11:59, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

There's no evidence in canon to support specifically the return of Omega whatsoever. It's just a rumour made up on the turd of a website that is Gallifrey Base with no evidence to support the assertion. It shouldn't appear in the article, or even the Big Bang one if we're to stay true to Wiki principles. Blightsoot 12:16, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

I agree you shouldn't bring Omega back. He is an old series enemy, and Moffat is trying to create new enemies. The only old enemies he'll bring back are Daleks, Cybermen, maybe The Master and then only the old monsters that were in the alliance (though most of them may not return). Omega is unlikely to return.Fallen5 14:00, July 3, 2010 (UTC)

In one interview (I don't remember where) Moffat referred to the Silence as being plural. This would seem to discount that idea that Omega is the Silence. If Moffat ever did bring back a character like Omega, he would probably do it in the same way he handled the Dream Lord/Valeyard connections, with implied rather than explicit links to the actual character from classic Who. But I'm pretty sure the Silence is something entirely new. Bluebox444 12:51, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

I agree. Yes Rasillon and The Master have both returned at least once (The Master 5 to 6 times) but Omega has absolutley no reason to return. Unless at least one person that has anything to do with the making of Series 6 is in love with the episode that has Omega in it (which I doubt and I havnt seen it so I cant really explain this too well so dont comment on this) I believe that almost everyone that had something to do with the show all together has forgotten almost completeley about him, sort of like with amy and rory before the season finale. What I want to know is how the doctor escapes, Amy comes back to life , how rory regained control, and how the girl the doctor told to fly the TARDIS to his location (I cant remember her name) survives the explosion, and my biggest question about series 6... How the tardis returns from the ashes of the explosion. If anyone has any ideas on how or finds something that mentions something about any of these questions please dont hesitate to post them.

Well I think it would be rather difficult for Omega to return since he was destroyed when Patrick Houghton's flute fell into the Tardis's forcefield generator (making it not converted to anitmatter), and when Omega knocked the forcefield generator out of Houghton's hands the anitmatter and matter collided and collapsed the blackhole that led into the anitmatter world, turning it into a supernova.≤DreamMaster≥

The 2nd Doctor's recorder somehow didn't kill him, because he was in Arc of Infinity (TV story). Doctor Who kills off villains, and then brings them back all the time. Davros died in almost every episode he was in, The Master died in a few episodes of the classic series, the TV Movie, and twice in the new series, the Daleks were completely destroyed in most of their ninth and tenth doctor episodes. In Doctor Who, just because an enemy has been completely destroyed, it doesn't mean they will never return, so Moffat could bring back Omega if he wanted to.Icecreamdif 22:03, September 27, 2010 (UTC)

It is possible that Omega could return as he is all powerful and highly intelligent. And any all powerful and highly intelligent being who's worth his or her stuff, will always have a get out plan or several. Son of Icthar 16:52, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

Toy Maker
He Could be in episode three the one in the doll house. Joshoedit 20:29, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

I think thats likely, after all episode three is rumoured to be set in a dolls house, and on set pitures of monster dolls are now avadidble, and in the "Celestral Toy Maker" he did make the doctors companions face his dolls, and a few of the challanges were set in a giant doll house.

So what do you think? General MGD 109

Moffat has also said no classic enemies will be returning this series. --The Brig 22:33, December 26, 2010 (UTC)

See below Joshoedit 23:11, January 5, 2011 (UTC)

No Classic..
"No classic monsters in series 6.." Isn't that what they said LAST YEAR? and we got Daleks, Cybermen, Slurians & Sontarens Joshoedit 19:06, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

Another source also says the Mara is returning. One of them is wrong, but which one? (PS: I'm not sure if Omega is classified as a "monster" anyway... more of a person, really.) The Nth Doctor 21:58, December 6, 2010 (UTC)

Well true, Omega is in this section because when the page was cleaned up it was the best place to move it Joshoedit 05:48, December 14, 2010 (UTC)

And now the sontarans are on set yeah, some one is lying through there teeth Joshoedit 02:43, January 17, 2011 (UTC)

Rumors section needs cleanup
Since the article is semi-protected, could someone with access privileges please go through the Rumors section and repair the atrocious spelling and punctuation? Looks like a Judoon typed it up. Thanks. 68.146.81.123 03:43, July 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * There's only one bit that needs cleaned up. The spelling is hardly atrocious, and we'd prefer it if you didn't call our regular users Judoon thank-you very much. The Thirteenth Doctor 10:09, July 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Haha, he was pwned! StickManLegend 18:50, November 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * That's an insult against us Judoon!@ThebountyOffice! 22:16, December 6, 2010 (UTC) 22:15, December 6, 2010 (GMT)

Myths printed in widely-read sources
I noticed that some of the rumours which have been debunked have been removed. Of course we can't keep track of all the rumours and it makes sense to cull some of the ones that prove to be false. However, I wonder if there should be an exception for media with a large distribution - if only to record that a mistake was picked up by outside media and widely reported. For example, the rumour about Joanna Page appeared in the Daily Star, a printed newspaper which claims 1,701 million readers (is that comma for a decimal point? Is that common in the UK?) The rumour about Matt Smith leaving was also picked up by Virgin Media on their TV News web video, and I'm not sure where to stand on that one - although I think the rumour itself can probably be traced back to one blog. These rumours won't count as unsourced, as you can cite where they were found - but they're not true. Where do we stand on these? the angel Jean - Smith&#39;s little elf 11:45, July 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * I've put them back. Nothing, save vandalism, should be removed without discussion first. These rumours should stay. They're actually important. We're here to document things related to Doctor Who, including rumours about the show, that's why we have the section. I mean, Matt Smith leaving. That's a really important rumour, and should stay. I have no idea why it was removed. We keep them all until the series ends, otherwise people who don't visit often read the sources of these rumours, then add them to the page and we simply have to remove them again. It's just easier to keep them until the series airs. The Thirteenth Doctor 17:35, July 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * Should the rumour about Joanna Page, printed in the Daily Star, be put back in then? I mention this because the previous editor, who removed the other rumours, had previously lost an argument about the same thing - he said that the rumour about Joanna Page should be reinstated, but despite this the rumour was removed. So I can see why he would have been confused about what should stay and what should go. For consistency, the rumour should be reinstated (as a debunked one, in the Rumours section) ... right? the angel Jean - Smith&#39;s little elf 07:03, July 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * No, that rumour was for a series which is past. Everyone knows that she didn't appear, so they won't be adding it to the series page as they know she didn't appear. The rumours should only be there until the series airs. It'll save more work in the long run. --The Thirteenth Doctor 09:28, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

Tom Baker's return.
It is rumored that Tom Baker may return for a multi-doctor episode.Any information on this?

Tom Baker may return:http://lifetheuniverseandcombom.blogspot.com/2010/03/tom-baker-to-be-in-doctor-who-series-6.html

So should we list Tom Baker as a rumored return?

The rumors sound extremely vague, and they don't reference anything beyond "discussions"... even the source sounds uncertain about it. I'd say wait. 159.28.161.150 06:27, September 20, 2010 (UTC)

Series 6 & Series 7
We need to change the template for the episodes so that it only shows 7 episodes and then add Series 7 because Moffat has confirmed they are 2 seperate series now. Does anyone know how to do that? :)


 * No. All that has been said is that series 6 will be split into two halves. This is different than two different series. Many American shows have a break half way through, which is what this is, not an entirely new series. The Thirteenth Doctor 12:03, August 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * Actually to agree with whoever wrote the first statement, Steven Moffat has confirmed the split will be two seperate series rather than a continuation in this interview. http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/video/2010/aug/29/doctor-who-cliffhanger-video) -- Michael Downey 12:39, August 30, 2010 (UTC).


 * To be fair Moffat also called Series 5 Series 31 for a time, for now as with the discussion regarding 'Series 5 and what to call it' I think we need to wait for confirmation from the BBC, not just from Moffat. --Tangerineduel 13:55, August 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * And Moffat also said it would be called series one.
 * One thing from the video to note is he said that one series, "by the standard of any other drama series", is double the length. He then said it would be in Easter and the rest in autumn in "series seven", "I suppose". One other thing to bring up then is Matt Smith's run. It was said he'd stay for another three series, but is this meaning the half-series? --The Thirteenth Doctor 16:33, August 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * another article: http://www.kasterborous.com/2010/08/29/more-series-6-split-details/ shows that there will be two series instead of splitting. maybe its time to split the article accordingly. Revanvolatrelundar 16:58, August 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * That article is based on the video in the first link. Like Tangerineduel said, it's best to wait for a BBC source. Although he's head writer, Moffat doesn't decide what is classed as a series. The Thirteenth Doctor 17:11, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

Semi-Protect
The Semi Protect will run out before episode one (based on the fact all other series started in april) Joshoedit 06:01, September 28, 2010 (UTC)

40 Teasers
01: The Doctor will be on trial - twice!

02: Who controls the Light Sculptors?

03: You won't believe what's burried under Wembley Stadium...

04: Scared of the Eye in Space? You should be...

05: Take up thy sins and walk - slowly.

06: There won't be a Pub Quiz on Tuesday because there won't be no pub.

07: Beau Gueste is cool.

08: Bow Street Runners are cool.

09: Bromley-by-bow is cool.

10: 4 August 1982 - Happy Birthday Ma'am.

11: Some lies are too much for the Psychic Paper.

12: "I won't be taking calls from THAT, Prime Minister" "Marc, where are you?"

13: The only water in the forest is the river.

14: What awaits the TARDIS at the Zero Point?

15: "72 years on and Rory's still terrified of Granny Grainger?

16: "I was lost in France."

17: How could a fellow Gallifreyan stoop so low?

18: Horror of Bankok.

19: "Give it up, Sweet Korn."

20: Argonite, Here?

21: Ordinary Block of Flats.

22: "If I saw them walking down the high street what would I think?" "I don't think you'd think anything at all, Amy"

23: Find the lady, BEFORE SHE FINDS YOU!

24: "Margaret, Come Back!"

25: The Doctor defeats the Sahara Desert.

26: Susannah's still alive.

27: Mill Green on Fire!

28: The Doctor will get married - twice!

29: What are the dangers of Port Olveron?

30: 502, but never 503.

31: Beware of the Kites.

32: A pillar of salt, yes, but not because she looked back... Looking back is good!

33: They'll have to get a new name for thanksgiving.

34: Pay attention - It's not really her...

35: Treading through the sand - on the one night they come back...

36: The Shuddering Brethren, they'll stick in your mind...

37: "I'm my own Doctor."

38: Octavian wasn't lying.

39: Mysterious semblance at the strand of nightmares.

40: The Bones of the TARDIS.

-Who7 17:09, October 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Now we have an answer for 11 and 28...-- Bold  Clone  03:54, December 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well half of 28 Joshoedit, Hang on #17, You can't have a conversation like that.. Ohhh Joshoedit 06:33, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

The Doctor meets the Queen Mother
I'm wanting to add this rumour. The original source for the above teasers is here and number ten states "4 August 1982 – Happy Birthday, Ma’am." Fourth August was the Queen Mother's birthday, and the Ma'am implies it is a queen or someone of royalty. Also, number 39, "Octavian wasn’t lying." implies that he meets Octavian again. Any objections to adding these? The Thirteenth Doctor 16:57, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

Octavian does not return. Not that I know of. Number 39 "Octavian Wasn't Lying", means that what he said about River killing a man was true. That could be something we find in Series 6 next year. Who7 09:33, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * What exactly says he isn't returning? Octavian wasn't lying can refer to several things, including the "I think you know me at my best". This line implies he was worse off and that the Doctor would meet Octavian's past self. --The Thirteenth Doctor 11:13, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

Rumours section
Some of the rumours are just plain stupid, such as 'River Song will die' - impossible, unless we get 'Forest of the Dead Redux (Another Story)', and the Christmas Special being a musical? Liek, what the heck? Dragonfree 5000! 10:56, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

2010 Christmas Special Info
On a recent trip to Germany my sister has seen DW being filmed at Stansted Airport

No proof I'm afraid, but she says she saw David Walliams and Matt Lucas (in dresses) and the white dalek

Make of it what you will...

Lord Aro 22:37, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I think it's more likely to be a promotional thing, and it won't be the christmas special because that's wrapped up. Aren't they filming in America just now? --The Thirteenth Doctor 08:13, October 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * That was for a promotional clip for "Come Fly With Me", not Doctor Who. the clips can be seen on the BBC between programmes 91.125.84.80 17:22, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

The Break
If episode 6 is part 1 and episode 7 is part 2 and we've credited Steven Moffat with ep. 6 why not ep. 7 Joshoedit 07:11, November 6, 2010 (UTC)

Amy's Secret
"Future Doctor" unless its a'la The Next Doctor or is almost completly obscuered by the camera light like Prof. Moriaty in Sherlock Holmes. Joshoedit 19:15, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

The Horror of Bangkok (18) .... this is listed above
"The Horror of Bangkok" 'sounds pretty similar to a classic series title, "The Horror of Fang Rock" in which the enemy which faced the Doctor was the Rutans. This as far as I know isnt already a rumour, but could the Rutans return for an episode called "The Horror of Bangkok" ? (Just a thought :D) - Topgeardog

River
Can we put her in secondary she wasn't seen shooting episode 3 Joshoedit 18:40, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

T.C.T.W.C.B.T.A.U. (The Clone that will come back to annoy us)
Where do we put it 4 cast

With The Doctors Credit which will look stupid because he isn't a main character (The Doctor/The Doctors Clone - Matt Smith) or under guest that will also look stupid. Where? Joshoedit 03:53, December 11, 2010 (UTC)

Just do whatever we did in series 4 for the meta-crisis Doctor.Icecreamdif 03:56, January 7, 2011 (UTC)

Roumers
why is the 40 hints in the big book in rumours, and why in the RUMORED synopsis of episodes 5&6 in story notes? Joshoedit 23:34, January 7, 2011 (UTC)

The Case of Writing the Finale?
It says that Steven Moffat will write 6 Episodes this Year INCLUDING A Christmas Carol.

... This would, therefore, imply that he is one Episode Short of writing the Finale: Therefore, he cannot be writing the Finale unless he is only writing one of 12 or 13.
 * 1) A Christmas Carol
 * 2) Series Opener: Pt.1
 * 3) Series Opener: Pt.2
 * 4) Cliffhanger: Pt.1
 * 5) Cliffhanger: Pt.1
 * 6) 

Is there any clarification on the case of who's writing what, or if the 6 Episode information is wrong?

1.Please sign your posts and 2. Yeah; 12 & 13 are a two parter so the 6 episode thing must be wrong. Unless someone else is writing the finale... Alpha111 22:00, January 9, 2011 (UTC)

Or most likely on the BBC website 4 the show a Christmas Special is episode 14 of series 5. so when Xmas is gone you add one more then 12/13 Joshoedit 19:31, January 10, 2011 (UTC) (or that some one can not count)

You forgot it says and the Christmas special it must be a typo. Alpha111 09:18, January 16, 2011 (UTC)

Ood.
Why does Mini-Mitch insist on repeatedly removing this? They are in the trailer, and they wouldn't be in the trailer unless they were in the show! I usually dont take part in edit-wars, but this is just ridiculous! Fan555 77.96.132.253 22:28, January 9, 2011 (UTC)

Episode 3, I mean 4 i mean 7
I'm Confused on rumours it says MONKS IN EPISODE 7 as per the writers Twitter BUT due to the episode swap thing isn't ep. 7 now ep. 3Joshoedit 05:51, January 17, 2011 (UTC)