Talk:2020: The Movie (TV story)

The Doctor and... another Doctor
I know Jodie's character uses a sonic screwdriver, and it's clear that the joke is she's the Doctor, but the trailer does say (and correct me if I'm wrong) 'Jodie Whittaker as the Doctor, and Mandip Gill as... another Doctor'. I know it's a spoof and this shouldn't be taken seriously, and I actually don't care how this article ends up regarding main characters, but aren't they both... doctors? They're not specifically the Thirteenth Doctor and Yaz... are they? And the Doctor part probably isn't capitalised. The Farty  Doctor   Talk  17:32, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Hm, I disagree there. Mandip's character is probably not Yaz — but Whittaker is clearly stated to be playing "The Doctor" as opposed to Gill who is playing "a(nother) doctor". Obviously the story presents a universe with the Doctor is also a small-d doctor, but she is the Doctor. Somehow. Scrooge MacDuck ☎  17:49, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Tbh I kind of regret putting that message. I can now see through the blurry lense of spoof that 'and Mandip Gill as... another doctor' could simply be a reference to Yaz being a small-d doctor and helping out in the hospital. Ignore my point. The  Farty  Doctor   Talk  17:50, 20 March 2021 (UTC)


 * I'm pretty sure she's playing Yaz. Her dynamic with the Doctor in these twenty seconds is Yaz's dynamic with the Doctor. The narration is just a normie-level joke about "doctor" being the name of the protagonist and also an occupation. The 2020 Doctor Who cast reprising their roles in a film about 2020 makes basic conceptual sense; Whittaker reprising her role while Gill plays a different character with an identical dynamic with the Doctor does not. Yaz and the Doctor working as carers is no more mystifying than Martha being a maid or Clara a diner waitress or Rory a centurion. The sketch is styled as a trailer for a longer work; there's an unseen context in which what we glimpse here is more fully developed. Gowlbag ☎  23:40, 20 March 2021 (UTC)


 * User:Epsilon the Eternal seems to believe otherwise, judging by the latest round of back-and-forth edits. Epsilon, do you have any argument for disagreeing with the conclusions of the above discussion? Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 16:54, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

To me, it boils down to context: this trailer is explicitly for an in-universe movie (which universe, not sure), but an in-universe movie none-the-less. This isn't a "framing narrative", it is inseparable from the fiction movie it depicted; for example, at the end, Michael Sheen broke "character" as COVID-19, and expressed confusion on how one would even portray COVID-19.

Now, this brings us to the Doctor and... "Yaz".

As we know that this is a fictional movie (as you agreed on Scrooge, as shown below), and especially as within the mini-episode, the characters were literally identified as "Jodie Whittaker" and "Mandip Gill" playing characters that are metafictional jokes on their Doctor Who roles.

Now, the in-universe actors are probably playing fictional depictions of the Who characters, but these characters are not the same as the actual characters. They are identified as actors within the context of the story, so we should create pages for them. 📯 📂 17:06, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

Questions on how to cover the skit
This whole skit is kind of a contextual nightmare. It's treated like a trailer for a (non-existant) movie. So what do we do here? Do we treat it as if 2020: The Movie is an actual "in-universe" movie?

How do we treat character pages? For one example, would it be;


 * A woman, feeling the strain of the COVID-19 pandemic in 2020, once screamed that she "[could not] take it anymore!" (NOTVALID: 2020: The Movie)

...or;


 * In a trailer for a movie called 2020: The Movie, Keira Knightly played a woman who [could not] take it anymore. (NOTVALID: 2020: The Movie)

WaltK ☎  17:18, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
 * The latter. Scrooge MacDuck ☎  17:23, 23 March 2021 (UTC)