Talk:Handles

the Longest Companion Handles was with the doctor more than 300 years does this make handles the doctor's longest companion

The false Wilson equivocacy: what does a stupid ball have to do with this? There's a pretty significant difference between a talking robot head, and an inamiate object that the maoin character loses of his own accord.

"Cyberman"
Is it fair to classify Handles's species as a Cyberman? It seems pretty inherent to what a Cyberman is to be a converted organic being in the robot-suit — Handles is not that, and, as an individual, was never that, though the robot head that later became him used to be part of a Cyberman's robot-suit.--Scrooge MacDuck ☎  19:20, September 13, 2018 (UTC)


 * Well, yeah, Handles is a Cyberman head. Think to Age of Steel when an empty Cyberman suit attacks Mickey and Jake in the Zeppelin. Unless I'm remembering incorrectly, they referred to it as a Cyberman. But say we do change Handles' species, what would you suggest? Ben Moore512 ☎  19:28, September 13, 2018 (UTC)


 * Concerning the suit in Age of Steel — er, do they call it a Cyberman? All I remember is Mickey quipping "a robot suit's still a perfectly good robot". (Incidentally, do we have a page on said empty Cyberman suit?) I would honestly vote for both to be classified as "androids", in which category Handles' page is already placed. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎  19:33, September 13, 2018 (UTC)


 * Like I said, I couldn't exactly remember. Haven't seen Series 2 in some time. But then again, the page states he was at least a full Cyberman at one point, he just had everything cleared out like organic parts and programming. So, I dunno, does that make him not a Cyberman anymore? Has there been another example we can use to decide? Ben Moore512 ☎  19:37, September 13, 2018 (UTC)


 * Well, my point is that Handles can't be considered one with the Cyberman he was once a part of; it's not that "the Cyberman" had its organic parts removed and became Handles, because the part of a Cyberman that makes it an individual is the organic being who got a bunch of cybernetic parts attached to it.
 * Let me put to you this way. If the Doctor succeeded in removing Bill Potts's brain from the Cybersuit and giving her a new regular body, and then the de-brained cybersuit began acting of its own accord, would you consider the suit to still be Bill Potts?
 * But no, to answer your question, I know of no precedent for this peculiar pickle. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎  19:55, September 13, 2018 (UTC)


 * Hydroflax? Amorkuz ☎  21:04, September 13, 2018 (UTC)
 * Good point, but, uh… --Scrooge MacDuck ☎  21:07, September 13, 2018 (UTC)
 * LOL. I'm just trying to help. Amorkuz ☎  21:17, September 13, 2018 (UTC)
 * Update: I have just discovered that the page Cyber-helmet exists. Would 'Cyber-helmet' not be an apt descriptor of what Handles is? --Scrooge MacDuck ☎  09:43, September 27, 2018 (UTC)