User talk:Tangerineduel

EDA Books / Bernice Summerfield Books

 * thanks for doin' it! I think they have programs to bulk-transfer entries from Wikipedia to Wiki's but don't know how that works. that would help. --***Stardizzy*** 14:52, 20 February 2007 (UTC)


 * That would be at special:import, operatable only by admins. 16:23, 22 February 2007 (UTC)


 * As I've said, I'll work though it, doing it from scratch, the wikipedia pages aren't in the same format or have the same sorta idea as the TARDISwiki, so I'm not sure it would help...though being an admin would...but it matters not in any case. --Tangerineduel 13:36, 18 April 2007 (UTC)


 * if you get Administrator priveliges you can use the Special:Import page to import entries from Wikipedia. I think/hope that includes the pictuers. of course, for all I know, you already have Admin. priveliges. I had brought this up in the Forum before but no one responded, so I didn't know if you knew. also, I forgot to sign my name, but I made the comments on numbering the seasons, below. --***Stardizzy*** 14:27, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

I have begun the Benny New Adventures (and it's just as easy to start from scratch then trying to reformat and rewrite from wikipedia. (haven't really begun...but Oh No It Isn't! has an rejigged info box for other novels (no Doctor position and 'Companions' has been changed to 'Featuring' more in line with the Benny range I think). --Tangerineduel 07:29, 8 March 2007 (UTC)


 * why thank you. I guess when you import the entry, the image doesn't also import automatically, unfortunatley? --***Stardizzy*** 11:17, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Novelisations

 * agree with you on novelisations versus novelizations, though I never noticed the difference in spelling until you mentioned it. --***Stardizzy*** 14:47, 20 February 2007 (UTC)


 * update: I have retitled some of the entries accordingly. also, created a Novelisations category. --***Stardizzy*** 14:21, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Well done!
You've managed to complete all the EDAs! Now just the MAs, NAs, NDAs, and don't forget the TDAs! And once you've done the novels, there's the BFAs, BFBSs, the DWMs... 14:07, 25 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh, I fogot the PDAs and TWNs... :) 14:11, 25 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Don't listen! Slack off instead! Azes13 14:11, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

I will...at some point soon be starting the Bernice Summerfield (Virgin) New Adventures. Haven't read all the MAs (haven't got most of them), same with the PDAs, so someone else can have that job. All the NAs are done (I think), but I may go through and clean them up / add to them.

I'll consider the Big Finish Audios...maybe.

I'm sure there's enough interest in the New Series for someone to do the NDAs and TDAs. --Tangerineduel 14:49, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Made of Steel
Thanks for the help with the formatting for the Made of Steel page, having spent a year using a different system on Memory Beta for a year, I slipped into using that system. I tried looking at the Manual of Style but couldn't find a section for novels, but now I know what format to use. Thanks again (-: --Vote Saxon 15:42, 1 May 2007 (UTC)


 * There isn't one (I don't think) in the Manual of Style...I may have to fix that. It's my mission to fix all the novels (all the EDAs conform to the manual of style...as I wrote most of them. --Tangerineduel 15:46, 1 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Correction there wasn't one, there is now. (See Format for Novels) --Tangerineduel 16:08, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Oh dear!

 * Hi, didn't think you would be quite so quick, not sure if I'm impressed or not?!
 * I spent a good while looking around (as you suggested)on the searches, in categories by article etc. and apart from coming across a category called reference books with no subcategories (indeed most of the categories could do with expanding) The page was nowhere near complete, There isn't as far as I can see a facility for "work in progress" to be saved or marked. The page wasn't intended to link to individual articles, but rather the root page that then would link to the individual pages. I would then have gone on to find the corresponding existing links and make the ammendments before adding any others, honestly! (As I did with Virgin and X Doctor Adventures for example). I have articles to submit on 'every' section, and contributions to `every` book published, but am struggling as to where to put them.


 * I know you could argue "do one section at a time" but they are all linked up under printed material and I wanted a bit of variety,(within that category at least!) isn't that what the wiki is about?


 * There are pages of lists, which are sparse and largely without further content (so far), so I simply wanted to link them up. Where do you suggest I put "Its Bigger on the Inside", the "Mark of Mandragora" (which by your definition are both books) or Lion Book's adaptation/novelisation of `the Crusaders` , that link up rather than stand alone as separate articles?


 * I still consider myself a newbie, and maybe thats not such a bad thing. When you think of new people coming to the site, they will probably be as likely to get as frustrated as me. The only difference is they may not purser veer and instead go away and not return. I'm not going away.


 * I hope you reconsider the deletion, but I take your point, I just think you were a bit too quick off the mark, and I hope you can see where I'm coming from.


 * Hope you're still happy with the content I've added overall though, and perhaps before I carry on with the Annuals, maybe you would like to have a look at the `Annual infobox` again. Its a little lacking a felt compared to the other books. I might well split the Annual Page up into subgroups. But that would then create even more `Annual Book` searches, which bring me back to where I started !!!


 * (By the way thanks for the gallery bit, just read it, have you been doing this stuff long? And it was your Dark Dimension page that made me think of the little numbers! Well done!)


 * I hope to get the Annuals done in the next few days which would tie in nicely with the Comic Strip side of things. I'm hoping to add even more detail later with lengthier articles after I've done the preliminaries.


 * Is there any place on the wiki for a worldwide perspective, I for one would be interested in the Who that (Australia) gets and has had in the past (I've only specifically seen your censored clips!)
 * Anyway bye for now. The Librarian 19:22, 22 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Alrighty, I'll consider a page for the Manual of Style (or somewhere in the help area a page to assist people as well as a top level page). The Reference Books category (like practically everything in a wiki) is a work in progress (and in fact I created it, so it's my work in progress), which I work on when I feel like it, when I can be bothered typing out the large chunks which I reference book needs to complete the page.
 * The Reference Book section doesn't have any subcategories, as for now it doesn't need any of them, categories generally need a minimum of two articles otherwise they're a little redundant, or require a lot of navigating to get to. But it is something in the future the wiki might build upon.


 * Variety is fine, but it also needs to be within the constraints which have been established thus far. In your searching I hope you came across Category:Doctor Who which is the Top level category, from there you'd be able to get to the Category:Lists, which has a List of the various things.


 * On the Mark of Mandragora, it's actually a graphic novel which has its own page (which incidentally already exists) The Mark of Mandragora (Graphic Novel). As far as the TARDIS inside out and the Fun Book, currently there isn't an infobox which will fit it exactly, but as there are only two of those books it may not be worth creating an infobox for just those two, so alternatively you could use the Graphic Novel infobox which would fit it relatively well, or copy the graphic novel infobox and change it within the funbook etal pages to suit, or if you think there will be more books which will need an infobox for that sort of book I'll look into it.


 * The lists, are just that Lists, their context come from what they link to rather that what they inherrantly are, building on them would make them harder to navigate, as some pages do need to just have links to lists to make the first page more easier to be read.


 * On novelisations, they are usually covered within the TV stories pages with basic information. Any more information than that, such as single articles dedicated to the articles will probably have to be discussed in the Forum, however the general consensus thus far is that that there isn't enough information to have dedicated novelisation pages.


 * As to how long I've been doing this...I worked my way up...and didn't jump in the deep end. Early on when I first joined I replaced the old infobox with the new infobox on much of the TV story pages. Then once I worked it all out I started something and went at it; I created all the BBC Eighth Doctor Adventures, Virgin Bernice Summerfield New Adventures, which I'm reading the last few at the moment and then creating the pages as I complete them, I've also completed major work to the Virgin New Adventures and implemented the Manual of Style in a majority of the TV stories, I've also worked on almost all of the Big Finish - Explored Worlds, and all the articles contained within, and I've also added stuff to many of the Big Finish - Doctor Who Audio Dramas.


 * There isn't a page for Doctor Who worldwide perspective, but it would most likely be placed in the Category:Real World, however if a page (or category) were to be created it would need to walk a fine line, as if that happened we'd stumble into the complicated territory of Fan Clubs / Websites etc, something which can go overboard very quickly (and has previously been discussed as not a direction we should take the wiki as it would be hard to get an objective and balanced page, also the pages would most likely become promotional). Pages are generally built on subjects relative to Doctor Who so it would be a page on lost clips (or overseas film sales) rather than a page entitled for example 'Doctor Who in Australia' (which would get rather one sided and filled with useless information). These pages and others such as Doctor Who in non-English speaking countries obviously need to be built up and added more to in the future.


 * Hope this has assisted you in your endeavours. --Tangerineduel 17:42, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for all that, I know its a big project, huge in fact! I think I said early on that I've been working on a similar thing for several years, and I suppose I'm eager to add to wiki as quickly as possible, so sorry if I sound impatient sometimes its just enthusiasm. ( by the way does `Alrighty` mean you are p***ed off with me? I generally associate it with aheavy sigh).

I still hope you will re-consider reinstating the page, even if its until something more structured can be put in place. Its only one page, and seriously could link the existing 'books' article pages together for others for easy access. I was intending for it to be used like a list page, I just hadn't got to identifying the links when you deleted it. I've done my searching of the sites and apart from:


 * Article title matches: Books
 * Virgin Books
 * BBC Books
 * Target Books

and Lists: Short Stories, Anthologies and Novellas Its a bit vague so far. Others I searched for showed;
 * Article title matches: Reference Books NO MATCHES
 * Article title matches: Novelisations NO MATCHES
 * Article title match: Humour and Spoof Titles (variations of!) NO MATCHES

I've trailed through the Categories section to eventually find the subcategories, but a linking page? Individual book titles are no problem, but leading someone into them is different. You should know me well enough by now to know that I can back-up my links with content and I wouldn't dream of suggesting page links to anything less than two articles which would fit onto one page! K-9 specific titles may be an exception!? (Incidentally,I looked in my library and found at least another 3 humour titles, not including relevant inclusion in other non-who titles)! My interest in `Who` is quite `collective` by its nature and factual in content,and (forgive me if I'm wrong) but,I see your strengths largely in the recording and cross referencing of the fiction (as well as editing and instruction of course!).All of which you do very well I must add. The forum doesn't appear to be used often enough to offer help here too slow, and not not enough activity!). But as major `active` contributors, can we work together on this. I want to be part of something bigger,better and the best. TARDIS wiki could be that thing. "Trust me on this"! oh and I knew there's a page for Mark of Mandragora, should have used Age of Chaos instead! And, did you know there's a book out very soon detailing the Target Book novelisations. And its not a short book too! DWM even had some 20 plus pages looking in some depth at the novels and the publishing history! Have you had a chance to look at the infobox for Annuals it seems to locked, and you know about these things?) Oh, one last thing I've also noted your comments above so if you wanted to have a clean up thats ok by me I've got them for reference, this page really is getting long. The Librarian 20:37, 23 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Alrighty is just a word I use (quite a lot). Usually it preceeds long explanations (and not always on the net).
 * While Virgin Books, BBC Books and Target Books do establish a link, they are the names of the publishing companies, rather than for example BBC Eighth Doctor Adventures which is a the title of a range of novels.
 * As for the others which didn't return links well Reference Books are quite straight forward and don't really need a covering page, even if there was one it would be far too detailed (and repetitive of individual articles) to be of any use.
 * I see some merit in a page on Novelisations, or perhaps a few pages dealing in the various facets of the novelisations (Target, others etc). (There is a novelisations category, as discussed somewhere near the top of this page Category:Novelisations)
 * As far as a page for 'Humour books' I would be against that, as the term humour is quite subjective (for example the Discontinuity Guide could fall under that purview). But perhaps a 'Spoof Publications' article could be created.


 * I'm a little doubtful you could fill a page on the stuff contained within the K9 books (if we're talking about The Time Trap...and the others), they're pretty thin books, which might be served better as one collected article, but as with most things we'll burn that bridge when we come to it.


 * I'm still uneasy about re-instating the article, mainly for the precedent that it sets for future users (but fear not...something will be coming...soon...maybe). Can you give me an example of a similar linking page in another wikia (ie the Wookipedia, Memory Alpha or another wikia), which might set a precedent for what you want and how it might fit in?


 * Presumption is a funny thing, it can be taken so many ways...please don't presume on my behalf.
 * Sorry, that was clumbsy of me, it was meant to be complimentary, no offence or ambiguity intended. The Librarian 15:46, 24 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I've checked out the Annuals infobox, it isn't locked, the only edit to it was the person who created it and he's not a logged in user (and therefore can't protect it).


 * The forum is used and looked into often enough, just not everyone of the users is on here everyday/night, there are a few people who are usually around often, but currently are away from the project. However the Forum is still a good place for discussing things affecting the whole wiki. --Tangerineduel 14:49, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

You're a star! I'm smiling again now thanks! The Librarian 16:05, 24 August 2007 (UTC)