Talk:Osgood/Appearances

Osgood LOA pages
I think that it is very confusing having all Petronella Osgood, Zygon Osgood and the Bonnie Osgood, linking to the same LOA page. After comments made in Narcissus it is clear that the version killed by Missy in Death in Heaven was the Zygon version, and therefore we can track all of that incarnations' individual appearances. Then, we can track all of Petronella / Bonnie's appearances - bar three stories. Surely it would make more sense to have separate LOA pages, and listing those three appearances as ambiguous, rather than having Bonnie's LOA page link to 30+ stories that she's confirmed to have nothing to do with?

Petronella Osgood's appearances are;


 * All 30 appearances in the UNIT: The New Series audios as well as the special The Sacrifice of Jo Grant, as these all predate The Day of the Doctor and therefore her first impersonation by Zygon Osgood.
 * The three television appearances The Day of the Doctor, The Zygon Invasion / The Zygon Inversion as Zygon Osgood was the one killed by Missy.
 * Clara Oswald and the School of Death, Narcissus, Field Trip and The Zygon Isolation as both Petronella and the Bonnie Osgood are present.

Zygon Osgood's appearances are;


 * The Day of the Doctor, and Death in Heaven, The Zygon Invasion and The Zygon Inversion.

Bonnie Osgood's appearances are;


 * The Zygon Invasion / The Zygon Inversion.
 * Clara Oswald and the School of Death, Narcissus, Field Trip and The Zygon Isolation as both Petronella and the Bonnie Osgood are present.

Only three current stories have an unknown Osgood; Robo Rampage, Yes, Missy and The Lost Dimension and these are either Petronella or Bonnie. Xx-connor-xX ☎  19:19, May 10, 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree with the above, although I will add that two Osgoods appear in Yes, Missy which is set in 2016 so that’s also Petronella and Bonnie. It’s just Robo Rampage and The Lost Dimension where we don’t know which Osgood it is beyond being either Petronella or Bonnie. SarahJaneFan ☎  19:26, May 10, 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that, I have never read that story but the page for it only has one Osgood listed. That's even better as there's even less stories with an ambiguous Osgood. Although, I just reaised that I forgot to mention her two appearances in video games. The Horror of Flat Holm is confirmed to be Petronella, as it takes place in 2010 before DotD. However, The Dalek Invasion of Time seems to once again be ambiguous as to whether it is Petronella or Bonnie. Still, I think it is far better to have Petronella / Bonnie have three ambiguous stories on their own LOA pages than having Zygon Osgood / Bonnie having over 30 stories linked to them that they're confirmed never to have appeared in. Xx-connor-xX ☎  19:29, May 10, 2020 (UTC)
 * I believe the current setup was decided upon in a lengthy forum thread, so it certainly can't be changed on a talk page. Also, don't forget that it's perfectly possible that the real Petronella died in Death in Heaven and that the single surviving Osgood later joined by Bonnie was herself the Zygon. So we genuinely don't know which Osgood is who in any of their appearances. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎  19:31, May 10, 2020 (UTC)

No, the implication made by Narcissus is very clear that one is human and the other is Zygon. Obviously if we got an actual source saying it was the human that died, it’d be a different matter but Narcissus was quite clear in its implication. I can say for a fact, that we can determine based on the evidence we currently have, which Osgood is which except the few examples mentioned. And this is kind of the point of a talk page, to talk about it. Like no one has attempt to actually change anything yet, an idea has been raised. SarahJaneFan ☎  19:43, May 10, 2020 (UTC)
 * You're completely right, Narcissus' confirmation is extremely solid. It is also further backed up by today's webcast The Zygon Isolation, the Osgood in the top box comments about missing the sun on her "blobby suckers" and the Osgood in the bottom box mentions that she can't relate. Xx-connor-xX ☎  19:50, May 10, 2020 (UTC)
 * For those who may not have listened, in Narcissus the Bonnie Osgood comments that the other Osgood would have lesser chance of survival if sent to the spaceship, and also labels herself as replaceable. This is complete confirmation that the other Osgood is human and the Zygon Osgood died. When was the thread discussing Osgood's LOA pages created? Xx-connor-xX ☎  19:59, May 10, 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't know, but since the Osgoods outright say in The Zygon Inversion that they intend never to reveal what species either of them is, I don't think any Osgood saying anything can be taken at face value. Bonnie saying those things in Narcissus is perhaps suggestive, but it's hardly "complete confirmation". At best it's a "one account, another account" deal. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎  21:41, May 10, 2020 (UTC)