User talk:Scrooge MacDuck

Your question about images
Hey hey :) Thanks for your recent question about images. I've removed it from Thread:200906 because that thread is in Board:The Time Lord Academy, which is primarily used for announcements, rather than discussions.

You didn't get an automatic welcome, which would have given you more convenient access to our rules, and particularly those around image use. Sorry about that! The welcome tool was broken for a number of weeks. So I've manually added it to this page. T:IUP is where you'll find a lot of answers about our image policies here, but you may be particularly interested in T:IUP FAIR. Thanks, and welcome aboard! Always good to have another Duck fan around! 22:44: Wed 11 Jul 2018

Thank you very much! And glad to know you're another Duck enthusiast. (I imagine DuckTales 2017 ' s casting of Tennant and Tate must have increased the overlap in fandoms, come to think of it.) --Scrooge MacDuck ☎  22:49, July 11, 2018 (UTC)

File deletion
Hey, with all due respect, I'm afraid you're talking to a wrong admin. If the file you mean is File:When he was a woman.png, then it was deleted by Shambala108, not by me. Note that it is not necessary to participate in a discussion to bump into a newly uploaded image. There is a special page for them, and admin often police these lists for possible violations. During such cleaning jobs, a file in clear violation of the rules requires no further investigation and may be deleted on sight. Don't take it personally.

Incidentally, as someone who struggled with the image restrictions myself in the past (as you might have discovered), my advice is to accept them and put an extra effort once into learning how to satisfy them. Like many users before me, I've learned in my time that it is possible (and not that difficult). Of course, you can restart the discussion but it is likely to be closed for lack of new arguments. And barring a possible rule change, you will have to learn to follow the current rules from Help:Image cheat card anyways. Good luck and remember to always keep your cool. Amorkuz ☎  09:48, October 2, 2018 (UTC)
 * Huh, sorry. (Still, I do think it's about time the file-size problem was reevaluated. That policy's right out of the early 2000's and it bothers more people than it helps. And I can't think of a single argument against my "forewarning" suggestion.)--Scrooge MacDuck ☎  09:57, October 2, 2018 (UTC)

Re: File deletion
Hi, apologies in advance because this is going to be a bit long. But I wanted to address all your comments not only in the post you left on my page, but also your response to User:Amorkuz regarding our image policy.


 * First of all, you stated, "As you know, participating in the Prounoun Use for Time Lords discussion..." Well, I didn't know. I have been following that discussion, but I never saw your image there. I use the "recent changes" page to see uploads etc. that I might have to deal with.
 * As for the "several" issues with your images, I have a preloaded comment on the drop-down menu when I give reasons for deletion. If there are at least two issues, I use that comment. The only other issue with your image is that it was .png, which you have since corrected.
 * Image size: there is a very good reason for this policy. I don't know the statistics, but many people access this wiki via cell phones. Therefore, we limit the size of images for them (as well as people who have slower load times on computers). You can suggest a change in the forums if you want, but I advise you not to waste your time because the policy isn't going to be changed. The policy is not "woefully outdated", "antiquated" or "draconian".
 * Speaking of the drop-down message I leave for image deletions, part of that message includes a link to a forum thread I created to make it easier to access all our image policies: Thread:148148. I believe that thread includes advice on how to bring down image sizes.
 * Forewarning - sorry, but that isn't going to happen. It would require extra work on my part to leave a message on each user's page, then check back later to see if they fixed the problem. There are just way too many new users who don't read the image policies before uploading images; I learned a long time ago that users learn more from having their work removed than from someone else cleaning up their mistakes.
 * "It bothers more people than it helps" - you actually have no proof of that. Most people who edit here don't realize that there are many many more people who visit this site without ever editing it, and many of them use cell phones.
 * Lastly, I suggest you take a look at Tardis:No personal attacks. When you uploaded the new versions of your images, you basically violated that policy with your comments. There's no valid reason to say that I "savagely deleted" your image; there's nothing personal when I delete images and you are violating the directive to "assume good faith" when you used that term. Keep in mind that your comment is now attached to that image, and anyone reading the forum thread and clicking on the image can see your comment. That is unacceptable, especially since our forums attract a lot of new users and we don't want to give the impression that it's ok to criticize other users.

Thanks for your patience in reading this long message, Shambala108 ☎  01:19, October 3, 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for a very in-depth answer.
 * I hadn't considered the issue of cellphones users; previously browsing the old discussions, the latest I could find on the subject restated that the small images were for the benefit of people with slow Internet on their personal computers, and didn't, as far as I recall, mention cellphones. Though I honestly don't entirely follow the reasoning with cellphones, either. Note for example that quintessential primarily-telephone-browsed websites include Tumblr or Twitter, and on both rather large images are commonplace. I don't know. As someone who never, ever uses a telephone for Internet-browsing I might just be missing something.
 * It's a pity about the forewarning. But I would still consider the policies of this Wiki on the draconian side of things — which doesn't mean they're wrong; but speaking as someone who has been active on a number of Wikis, it's simple fact that I've never seen one as harsh in its image-policies as Tardis. Some advised, for example, the use of Jpg for live-action images and Png for drawings and diagrams — but I have never, ever seen one where this was a hard rule and your image would get automatically deleted if you violated it. On the Harry Potter Wiki (the closest in size to Tardis, though, of course, Tardis stil wins by a wide margin), the deletion of an image file has to be discussed on the "Candidates for deletion" talkpage, like any other page, unless it is obvious NSFW trolling. On the Scrooge McDuck Wiki, with the exception (again) of NSFW trolling, it's against policy to delete an image, even if it is no longer in use on any page.
 * I apologize for the "savagely deleted" comment, written through the lens of extreme annoyance (and while I had a headache for other, medical reasons). Note however that I didn't mean it as a personal attack towards you — it referred to my opinion on the policies themselves.
 * One practical question, though: the Image Policies state plainly that png is the preferred format for drawings, as opposed to screenshots of live-action or photographs. Why then was png an argument against my image? It is, after all, a drawing. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎  10:03, October 3, 2018 (UTC)
 * I apologize for the "savagely deleted" comment, written through the lens of extreme annoyance (and while I had a headache for other, medical reasons). Note however that I didn't mean it as a personal attack towards you — it referred to my opinion on the policies themselves.
 * One practical question, though: the Image Policies state plainly that png is the preferred format for drawings, as opposed to screenshots of live-action or photographs. Why then was png an argument against my image? It is, after all, a drawing. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎  10:03, October 3, 2018 (UTC)
 * One practical question, though: the Image Policies state plainly that png is the preferred format for drawings, as opposed to screenshots of live-action or photographs. Why then was png an argument against my image? It is, after all, a drawing. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎  10:03, October 3, 2018 (UTC)
 * One practical question, though: the Image Policies state plainly that png is the preferred format for drawings, as opposed to screenshots of live-action or photographs. Why then was png an argument against my image? It is, after all, a drawing. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎  10:03, October 3, 2018 (UTC)

Forum posts
Hi, you are going to stop complaining about forum threads being closed, especially in unrelated forum threads. That's not your job to decide; if you have an issue with a forum thread closing, take it to the talk page of the admin that did it. Otherwise such comments will be removed from the forum threads, and repeated violations in the past by other users have been met with lengthy blocks.

See, I think you need to understand that admins are not paid staff, we are volunteers just like the rest of you. We don't have time to warn every user when we are about to take such actions as deleting images or closing long-abandoned forum threads. And the forums are very public places on this wiki, so I enforce a much stricter standard of posting than I would on a talk page. We have lots of new users who come to the forums first, and they have no idea what our policies are and who is/isn't an admin.

Thanks for your attention, Shambala108 ☎  14:57, November 5, 2018 (UTC)


 * I apologize if my post sounded like "complaining", I only meant it as a legitimate question — as the answer to it seemed relevant to the Romana Trey/Romana III thread. And I wasn't the one to bring up the old thread to begin with; someone else did; once it was in discussion I didn't see a problem with discussing its content. I could, if you want, edit the post to make my intentions clearer, for the benefit of the new users you are referring to? --Scrooge MacDuck ☎  15:01, November 5, 2018 (UTC)