Talk:101-form

I propose changing this page as Lolita was never explicitly referred to as the type 101 and it is just as likely that she is a type 45 or 41 or any other TARDIS the Master. This is just speculation, which is not covered by this wiki. Thus I believe this page need to be modified with the implication that Lolita is the Type 101 moved to the behind the scenes sectionAnastasia Cousins ☎  16:28, 8 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Hmm — I think you are mistaken that there's a possible contradiction here. She certainly started out as a different Type than a 101-form — then the experiments transformed her into the first Type 101, much as Compassion became the first Type 103.


 * Truthfully there's no other conclusion you can draw, than that Lolita is the escaped 101-form — it's about as explicit as the Doctor having been the boy the Cloister Wraiths talked to in the Doctor's story in Hell Bent, say. Lolita is, we know, a modified timeship who can take on humanoid form. Within The Book of the War there are three points of origin for humanoid timeship: the woman converted into a timeship, Compassion (who is of course distinct from Lolita); Compassion's children the 103-forms, who are born humanoid and therefore not modified (and besides, I believe their interactions make it clear Lolita is not Compassion's daughter); and finally, the "mysterious" experimental 101-form who escaped from the Great Houses' control. There's no one else Lolita could be — it's absolutely something anyone carefully reading the book is supposed to understand. There's a difference between putting two and two together when there's no other possible reading, and "speculation".


 * Anyway, aside from, maybe, the caption of the picture, I also don't think this page goes further than the text. It merely gives the facts, and leaves the reader connect the dots. It is currently structured to give the facts about the 101-form, and then the facts about Lolita which a reader could plainly see match up to what is known about the 101-form — but it doesn't allege "Lolita is the 101-form" in quite so many words. I think it quite possibly could, for the reasons covered above, but it already doesn't. Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 18:20, 8 May 2022 (UTC)