Howling:5 things to look out for: Ducks and birds

Another new idea for things we should have been looking for...

Yes, picking up on TEH the duck pond without any ducks ....

TBB Tower of London where they end up is famous for the legend of the tower / empire falling if the Ravens all disappear

VoD Churchilll refers to being sitting ducks, a flock of birds fly past when the flag is reset up in the bit similar to that famous war piccy, and in fact in WW 2 all but 1 of the Tower of London ravens died from shock because of the bombing raids

ToA and FaS ducks and duck pond reference again

VoV all those bloomin chickens, a flock of birds fly past when the Doctor stops the storm

AC there are 2 geese (?) behind Rory in the new trailer clip 1 when he greets the Doctor, and the 3 fall asleep at the sound of birdsong in the nursing home while all the oldies don't

Generally, throughout the episodes so far there have been several birdy sound effects eg owls hooting near the Tardis, birds twittering round the haluciagenic lipstick guy and at the hospital, and others I can't recall specifically right now, but there have also been instances where birds should have been heard but weren't and then they sort of reappear

So, I suggest the silence that will fall is something to do with all the birds....

Any thoughts? 86.26.137.154 07:41, May 14, 2010 (UTC)

81.110.165.92 21:37, May 15, 2010 (UTC)The bird song in Amy's Choice seems to support this to

Also saw other birds walking around the village as well as the tweeting as they fell asleep. ☆ The  Solar  Dragon  ( Talk ) ☆ 21:43, May 15, 2010 (UTC)

You can hear an owl hooting inside the TARDIS in The Eleventh Hour. Exlonox 23:30, May 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * In Amy's Choice, they talk about the fact that they never had time to listen to the birdsong in the TARDIS days, and generally talk about the birds quite a bit in the early scenes. Then the birdsong is how Amy knows that something's wrong, because she can hear it in the TARDIS. Then she figures out that the birdsong always precedes a switch, and later the Dream Lord calls it out.


 * Since the Dream Lord, who created the two dreams and the switching-between mechanism, was a manifestation of the Doctor, the Doctor's subconscious obviously thinks the birdsong is significant.


 * Of course that doesn't necessarily mean it's an arc hint. The Doctor has been trying to push Amy into choosing Rory over him before she decides whether or not she wants to stay in the TARDIS--that's what VoV was all about, as well as this episode. And he's obviously been talking to Rory. Maybe Rory just always goes on a lot about relaxing and listening to the birds (as he did early in this episode), and that's why it stuck in his head. --Falcotron 09:59, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * the birds may be a coincidence. I heard nothing in the hungry Earth. Lu-igi board
 * Maybe the drilling had scared the birds away? Or there weren't any inside the enery barricade?
 * Interesting though: modern birds first appeared during the Eocene period which is the correct time period for homo-reptilia. Birds and their nearest living relatives, crocodilia are the sole living members of an unranked "reptile" clade, the Archosauria which also included dinasaurs and pterodactyls, and mention was made during THE about evolution etc. Any thoughts? 86.26.137.154 09:34, May 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Maybe the drilling had scared the birds away? Or there weren't any inside the enery barricade?
 * Interesting though: modern birds first appeared during the Eocene period which is the correct time period for homo-reptilia. Birds and their nearest living relatives, crocodilia are the sole living members of an unranked "reptile" clade, the Archosauria which also included dinasaurs and pterodactyls, and mention was made during THE about evolution etc. Any thoughts? 86.26.137.154 09:34, May 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * Except the Eocene isn't the right epoch (BTW, periods are the next step up from epochs--the Eocene is part of the Paleogene period). The Doctor tells Alaya that's she's about 300 million years outside her comfort zone, which places her people way back at the start of the Permian period. That's around the time the reptiles divided into pelycosaurs (the ancestors of mammals) and sauropsids (the ancestors of birds, and modern reptiles). But both groups would go through near total extinction 50 million years later, and then spend another 100 million years primarily being represented by various kinds of dinosaurs, before there'd be anything recognizable as mammals or birds.


 * Of course there's some question about how any creature from that long ago could know about apes, who are only about 30 million years old, and wouldn't have really looked important enough for anyone to pay attention to until probably Homo erectus. --Falcotron 11:35, May 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * In Vincent and the Doctor we have an invisible rampaging half turkey/chicken alien, there's a chicken in the surprise for Vincent sunflowers scene, and the crows being scared away by the Krafayis from the wheatfield 86.26.137.154 09:50, June 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * The Doctor is hearing birdsong the first time he meets the adult Amy (as he comes round from the bash on the head) and there is birdsong in THE, right at the begining as they come out of the Tardis (rooks cawing as well.)81.141.84.177 16:53, June 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * The Doctor is hearing birdsong the first time he meets the adult Amy (as he comes round from the bash on the head) and there is birdsong in THE, right at the begining as they come out of the Tardis (rooks cawing as well.)81.141.84.177 16:53, June 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * The Doctor is hearing birdsong the first time he meets the adult Amy (as he comes round from the bash on the head) and there is birdsong in THE, right at the begining as they come out of the Tardis (rooks cawing as well.)81.141.84.177 16:53, June 12, 2010 (UTC)