User:SOTO/Forum Archive/The Panopticon/@comment-4028641-20151008023030/@comment-1827503-20191106220434

User:SOTO/Forum Archive/The Panopticon/@comment-4028641-20151008023030/@comment-1827503-20191106220434 In any case, what this thread has proven is that it's very hard to outright assign a number to any adult Master incarnation. So unless something obvious is being overlooked, we can't use numbering to solve the debate laid out in the OP four years ago.