User talk:CzechOut

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DWBIT
ok, you've convinced me, i only have one more question, but it is not related to Faction Paradox, it is about the images in the "Battles of Time" comic strips. why have have they been mostly removed? Even the image that is used in the Quarsian article is gone, some of the comic images that were used in the comic's infoboxes have been removed and replaced with an image of the previous story.. Sclera1 talk to me 05:12, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

Non-DWU/canon categories.
I notice that one of the non-DWU categories still has/was mistakenly added after the mass move "non-canonical", namely Category:Non-canonical Gallifreyans. Is there enough of them to require the page? Or should that be a super-category for Category:Non-DWU Doctors and Category:Non-DWU versions of the Master? -- Tybort (talk page) 21:38, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

FP Wiki
Yeah, that's fine I can be a bureaucrat over there. --Tangerineduel / talk 14:57, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. I'll keep that in mind next time.Icecreamdif talk to me 15:33, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

Randomised feature articles
I do remember those! Sort of. I remember putting 'write some FA stuff' on my to do list and promptly forgot about it / got distracted by the many other things I randomly do.

Just a side question, (though I'm sure you've got everything in hand) the update that's coming for Wikia's MediaWiki, that's not going to cause any major issues is it? I just become slightly concerned about it considering all the changes you've made around here (all good, just worrisome when Wikia update/change stuff). --Tangerineduel / talk 13:59, June 15, 2012 (UTC)

HiFi
HiFi may not be Panda, but he is a stuffed panda. As the Doctor said, "That is the dematerializing control. And that, over yonder, is the horizontal hold. Up there is the scanner, those are the doors, that is a chair with a panda on it. Sheer poetry, dear boy! Now please stop bothering me." As such, I think that a mention of HiFi on the Panda page isn't completely out of line. —Josiah Rowe talk to me 02:47, June 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the "list of appearances" might be taking things a bit too far. I think that part of the conceit of Panda is the possibility that he might, somehow, be HiFi (perhaps given intelligence and a drinking problem some time after his time with Steven), but it's nothing more than a possibility, and I don't think that there's enough to support it in Iris Wildthyme stories (at least the ones I've heard/read) to justify listing HiFi's appearances in Panda - List of Appearances. I'll put the hatnote back on Panda, though. —Josiah Rowe talk to me 03:10, June 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Never mind, I see that you've already done it. (Do you think he's some other sort of stuffed animal?) —Josiah Rowe talk to me 03:12, June 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, I never thought he was a panda. I mean I know the Doctor says that, but I thought he was just sorta generalising.  It doesn't particularly look like a panda.  Besides, why would a guy from centuries in the future have a panda stuffed animal?  Pandas will be extinct then, surely.  03:21: Wed 20 Jun 2012


 * My daughter has a stuffed dinosaur. And HiFi looks as much like a panda as your standard teddy looks like ursus arctos. I always assumed he was a stuffed panda bear (with the obligatory caveat that pandas aren't actually bears). —Josiah Rowe talk to me 03:37, June 20, 2012 (UTC)

More page moving
Peter Miles needs moving to Peter Miles (actor) and the redirect suppressed, unless there's another person by that name. -- Tybort (talk page) 15:56, June 20, 2012 (UTC)

FP wiki
I have a question related to the migration of content from Tardis to Faction Paradox Wiki. Which admin should I pass that question to? -- Tybort (talk page) 19:15, June 20, 2012 (UTC)

joseph0505
I've just reverted ''The TARDIS Worshippers (comic story) to you last version, but you might wish to check Joseph0505's last version before I did so.Boblipton talk to me 22:28, June 21, 2012 (UTC)

Locked template page
On Template:DWTV, The Dalek Invasion of Earth is misspelt as The Daleks Invasion of Earth. Also, should the Night and the Doctor episodes mention the individual parts? And the bit about non-canonical; I'm guessing that should be changed to "we don't cover them" or "these aren't valid sources". -- Tybort (talk page) 11:04, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

The Romanian Version Main Page
I changed the main page of the romanian version. Do you like it? Dragonulteo talk to me 15:42, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

Meanwhile in the TARDIS
I've been doing some work on the article for the Meanwhile in the TARDIS mini-scenes, splitting it into two articles to match the format set by the Prequels and Night and the Doctor. Could you check whether I've created the articles properly? In particular I am concerned about whether they should feature the TV Story suffix, and if the numbering is appropriate. The articles are Meanwhile in the TARDIS 1 and Meanwhile in the TARDIS 2. Eladkse (talk) 16:41, June 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * That's one of the things I was concerned about. I don't know how they were/are differentiated on the DVD, but the Internet generally uses 1 and 2. That's why I asked you. :P Eladkse (talk) 17:00, June 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll bear that all in mind, and get a forum post up when I next get a chance. I would like to point out that some of the things you mention need fixing I copied straight from the Night and the Doctor series of articles, so I think someone needs to look at them at some point just to make sure they comply.

Wiki backdrop
Hey, Czech, would it be cool if I suggested that we change the backdrop of the wiki to include and/or feature Liz Shaw (Or what I really want is Caroline John), I think that would be appropriate. OS25 (talk to me, baby.) 10:55, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

Canon policy name
Just a random thought. Would "Inclusion policy" be a better name than canon policy? That name seems to just cause endless problems. --Tangerineduel / talk 15:13, June 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * I totally understand. As I said, it was a bit of a random thought. I've got to start writing more "random thoughts" in text edit and then letting them sit for a day or two to muse on them before annoying other people with them.
 * It all looks good though the valid sources and everything, very easy to understand the big blue boxes, white text and everything.
 * I'm still intending to create do some work on the Article of the Month preloads so there's more, but just haven't really been enthused enough to do anything (I've got to stop going to the Canon policy talk page!). --Tangerineduel / talk 10:22, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

Just to check
So, checking T:VALID about Battles in Time...I'm guessing anything about Daleks that's labelled along the lines of (DWBIT: #1) is not okay, as it doesn't lead to a specific story but non-narrative stuff? -- Tybort (talk page) 12:44, July 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Likewise, is the Last Great Time War stuff from the Doctor Who Annual 2006 not a narrative? -- Tybort (talk page) 17:57, July 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Or to phrase it another way: the "Meet Rose" and "Meet the Doctor" articles in that annual. -- Tybort (talk page) 23:08, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

Comic-Con
Greetings! You may already know, but Dr. Who will be involved with Comic-Con this year. Wikia will have a physical presence at the 'Con once again, and we've created this badge:

to remind users of this, and provide them with a link to Comic-Con Wiki. There, we will be updating live for the duration of the event with images, info, and exclusives for those users who are unable to be there in person. Would you be willing to allow this badge on the main page here (hopefully at the top of the right column) until the conclusion of the event? Please hit me up on my TALK PAGE and let me know either way so I can add it, or make a note that you've declined affiliation. You're welcome to add it yourself using the code above, but please drop me a note as well so I can track which wikis are participating. Thank you for your time! :)
 * http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/xraydeltaone/images/b/b2/Siggy4.png @ (profile)•(talk)•(email) 02:07, July 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * Nope, there's only one version of the badge, ( although, if I had designed it I would have gone with fading to transparent :P ) but I think the fade looks pretty good against the off-white background - since that shade is in the gradient somewhere.


 * Anyway, thanks for joining in, and wherever it works best for you is perfect. :)
 * http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/xraydeltaone/images/b/b2/Siggy4.png @ (profile)•(talk)•(email) 18:45, July 6, 2012 (UTC)

star whale
I was editing this, but when it published it had so many garbage characters it made no sense. Boblipton talk to me 02:22, July 7, 2012 (UTC)

I am using Firefox 13.01.1 and I was using the usual editing function on Wikipedia. I tend to think of these things as floating surges that I hit because I do so many edits. That and computers hate me. As for code monkeys, they are code monkeys and I place no confidence in them. Boblipton talk to me 22:30, July 7, 2012 (UTC)

More bot disambiguation
Richard Martin should be on Richard Martin (director), while Richard Martin (character) should be moved to the vanilla page. -- Tybort (talk page) 16:31, July 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * And now, William Russell and William Russell (The Angel of Scutari) to William Russell (actor) and just William Russell. Huh. -- Tybort (talk page) 18:57, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

Drop-down preloads
Hello, I am an admin on MicroWiki and, because our wiki is a bit messy, I wanted to ask you how were the drop-down preloads menu created. I belive it could help our community a lot, because many people seem to be new to MediaWiki. If you wish to share Your knowledge, Thank you --LurkSAR 22:48, July 8, 2012 (UTC)

Andrew Collins
Hi,

I really should have familiarized myself with the deletion rules. I was improvising, sorry.

The proof is that I own the play in question, Live 34, and I am 100% certain that the part of Drew Shahan is voiced by Andrew Collins (critic). The conceit of the play being that it is one long radio broadcast, so Big Finish hired a real-life broadcaster Andrew Collins (critic) to play the part of the radio DJ, Drew Shahan. There's a picture of Andrew Collins (critic) inside the booklet for Live 34 which matches the likeness of that we already have for Andrew Collins (critic).

Andrew Collins (actor) has featured regularly in several Dark Shadows plays, all of which I own, also released by Big Finish, and has a totally different sounding voice to Andrew Collins (critic).

I wasn't suggesting that Andrew Collins (actor) and Andrew Collins (critic) are one and the same, but two different people, one of which, Andrew Collins (actor), has no Doctor Who connections.

Hope this helps, I look forward to contributing to the wiki in the future. Claude North talk to me 18:01, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

Preloads and adminship
Appreciate the nomination request, but I honestly don't think I'd be any good at it, even if I am a bit of a regular and my knowledge of the pre-Eccleston show is gradually improving. I've only literally just started taking screenshots and cropping them. -- Tybort (talk page) 09:09, July 10, 2012 (UTC)


 * I was gonna make a forum thread related to this, but now that you brought it up, what does the "featured" bit in the disambiguation preload mean? Because I have a feeling that it's not being used properly. -- Tybort (talk page) 09:11, July 10, 2012 (UTC)


 * Is "name" deliberately absent from vatious infobox preloads due to the way it works automatically if blank? -- Tybort (talk page) 09:16, July 10, 2012 (UTC)


 * There currently isn't any audio story or novel format in Infobox Story for me to check over Audio story/preload or Novel/preload.


 * And as Confidential is gone, do we need a preload for that now? -- Tybort (talk page) 10:00, July 10, 2012 (UTC)

Front page changes
I'm not too sad about DW Fanon (I have the vaguest memory of it being started after an admin, (probably me) blocked someone for adding fanfic to this wiki).

DW Expanded though is still fairly interesting in parts, though without an admin to keep it in check it is running a bit ragged. DW Special Features' content is practically covered on the DW Collectors Wiki and here.

Just a side note (that I seem to always add), the category pages, have they always been that off yellow colour? I know you've been messing around with the background colour of the various namespaces but I don't recall categories being such a weird yellow. I just find it a bit hard on the eyes, not sure why as I'm guessing it's the similar to the rest of the colours only yellow. --Tangerineduel / talk 14:15, July 10, 2012 (UTC)


 * That's odd, because I certainly look at the user talk pages a lot or probably an equal amount as the category pages and never noticed anything.
 * I promise I don't just suddenly notice these things to make trouble for you!
 * I think maybe it's just on user talk/forum pages all the text is black, but on category pages all the text is blue or dull red. --Tangerineduel / talk 14:22, July 10, 2012 (UTC)

Locked template page
Master stories needs the stories changed to dab terms, but most importantly the short story Freedom, which is also a character (normally, it'd be put on the vanilla Freedom page, but as freedom is a generally used noun...)

Also, can you add The Oseidon Adventure to the UNIT years section? The bit about "non-canonical" should probably be reworded due to the recent revamp of the canon policy. -- Tybort (talk page) 20:58, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

Bot stuff?
While wandering the Big Finish site, I noticed that the audio formerly exclusive to The Complete Davros Collection, The Davros Mission is considered part of I, Davros here. Would it be an easy job for the bot to correct all the BFA prefixes to that story to BFD? -- Tybort (talk page) 22:32, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

Demonstrative pronouns are weak subjects of leads
Yar. This is a side-effect of several levels of editing, first to get a piece into some sort of grammatically correct form, then to edit it for sense, then to fix very weak writing and finally to get the piece into a strong, interestingly written form. I find that some time between each of these levels of editing is good to clear out the cobwebs of older, poorer form. Unfortunately, I rarely get around to to the last stage. The constant addition of new pages and the random insertion of new facts means it's very difficult to shape a piece. But yours is a good point and I'll keep it in mind when I'm fixing these weak openers. I think that the definite articles are stronger, so a longer form, such as you suggest "The co-pilot of an unnamed starship" is probably best. Boblipton talk to me 22:04, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

Problem with Character Infoboxes
Hi, recently I have been adding new page/updating pages, and I have noticed when you have more than on actor to the voice actor(s) box, the box doesn't read like if there are multiple actors in the Other Actors box. An example of this is on the Davros page where in the Other Actors part its says David Gooderson, Terry Molloy, Julian Bleach but in the Voice Actor(s) it says voice actor::Rory Jennings, Colin Baker  and exactly the same type code, or what ever it is actually called, is written on the editing page, Other Actors David Gooderson, Terry Molloy, Julian Bleach, Voice Actors Rory Jennings, Colin Baker. Tahnks if you can get it sorted. (AdricLovesNyssa: 17:30 (UTC) 13th July)

Passing on a help request
Since you're the "code-guy" I thought I'd pass this help request on to you, because I simply don't have a clue: --Revan\Talk 20:16, July 13, 2012 (UTC)

Hi, recently I have been adding new page/updating pages, and I have noticed when you have more than on actor to the voice actor(s) box, the box doesn't read like if there are multiple actors in the Other Actors box. An example of this is on the Davros page where in the Other Actors part its says David Gooderson, Terry Molloy, Julian Bleach but in the Voice Actor(s) it says voice actor::Rory Jennings, Colin Baker  and exactly the same type code, or what ever it is actually called, is written on the editing page, Other Actors David Gooderson, Terry Molloy, Julian Bleach, Voice Actors Rory Jennings, Colin Baker. Tahnks if you can get it sorted. (AdricLovesNyssa: 17:30 (UTC) 13th July)

Question on front page
For some reason, Mr Invincible is regarded as the newest "BBC Radio Drama". Was this audiobook actually broadcast on BBC Radio, or is that a jump to conclusions following further Torchwood audios post-The House of the Dead? -- Tybort (talk page) 18:45, July 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * I was double checking, that's all. -- Tybort (talk page) 21:53, July 15, 2012 (UTC)

Dab term
Per the "finer detail" part of T:DAB, what would pets like dogs and housecats fall under? I'd neither qualify them as "things" or "people". -- Tybort (talk page) 18:45, July 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yep, that's very clear now. -- Tybort (talk page) 21:53, July 15, 2012 (UTC)

Master
I hate to bring this up again, but User:86.25.29.82 has pointed out that in Legacy of the Daleks, one way to interpret it is that Delgado it the 12th life of the Master and that Pratt/Beavers in the 13th, and that the Master had had a failed regeneration to create this ghaustly form. He supported this idea with a quote from the book; ""Of course... He already knew that the Master had hidden on Tersurus when his final regeneration had been used up. Some devastating force had ravaged his body and left him a crippled wreck." (The Doctor muses on page 235)"

His argument seems legit, and I think we may want to look into it. OS25 (talk to me, baby.) 18:30, July 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * Alright. That's cleared up. I've read the book as well, by the way. OS25 (talk to me, baby.) 23:12, July 15, 2012 (UTC)

Prefixes
It's generally up to an admin to establish a new prefix, right? Because I noticed Counter-Measures has just been released. -- Tybort (talk page) 23:21, July 15, 2012 (UTC)

Cyruptsaram
You're misreading the comment I left on Cyruptsaram's talk page somewhat. The section you referred to was this:

"I completely agree with Boblipton here and definately don't think that because of the ban we don't want you here on the wiki."

Now what I meant by that is I agree with Boblipton in regard to the fact that because Cyruptsaram was banned that we don't want him here, which is frequently the impression that new users get. I can see how you got from my comment to where you are, but I'd have thought you'd have seen from the sentence and what follows was that by no means was I agreeing with Bob about the disputes you've ahd in the past, because up until reading Bob's message I honestly was unaware that you'd had any.

Now on the matter of the actual ban, yes I can see why you placed the ban, and if I was in the same situation I would also have enforced the ban. Because of the ban his editing was stopped and the damage was halted, therefore I removed the ban today because the ban was no longer needed for the reasons it was placed for, so I thought I was doing you a favour by removing it and sparing you the trouble. So there's abit of misunderstanding on both sides in this case and obviously I had no intention of encroaching on your territory by removing the ban. --Revan\Talk 16:09, July 16, 2012 (UTC)

I just recieved a message from Cyruptsaram on community central and he says that he can't edit any articles or send a message to you to ask for his block to be lifted. Obviously I checked and there is no block in place on his account anymore. For the moment I told him to try and edit an article again, but do you have any ideas as to what's going on? --Revan\Talk 17:14, July 16, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your help. Everything has returned to normal. --Cyruptsaram talk to me 19:55, July 16, 2012 (UTC)

Prefix
You told me a while back that you couldn't see the point in adding the "BF", that was why we changed "BFJL" to "JAL". I just followed that example. Which do you prefer? --Revan\Talk 17:29, July 16, 2012 (UTC)

Dab question
Would it be fair to move Kroton to Kroton (species) and just leave Kroton on its own as a redlink, or is the species something of a primary term like with the Omega debate?

Also, on Companions of the Eighth Doctor, could you change Kroton (Cyberman) to Kroton (Throwback: The Soul of a Cyberman)? -- Tybort (talk page) 20:17, July 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * Another question. Would it be fine for Victoria (Queen) to be moved to Victoria (Imperial Moon), with the various links leading there moved by bot? -- Tybort (talk page) 15:53, July 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmm. Not sure how to approach that, then. -- Tybort (talk page) 17:15, July 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * Really? I was thinking that, but assumed if any Victoria had a primary use, I'd assume it to be Victoria Waterfield, who was a main character for a time. -- Tybort (talk page) 17:54, July 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * Of course I'm not sure. I only got round to properly watching pre-Eccleston episodes a year ago. -- Tybort (talk page) 18:13, July 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, appearance IS appearance. I agree, though in the case of figures only referenced, I'd assume that we count from first reference for the dab. -- Tybort (talk page) 18:21, July 19, 2012 (UTC)

Even more poor dab to redirect around
Natasha Alexander and Natasha Alexander (Auton trilogy) should be on Natasha Alexander (actor) and just Natasha Alexander. -- Tybort (talk page) 20:36, July 16, 2012 (UTC)

Locked page
Binary should be cut and unlocked, as there's an in-universe term from IW: Elementary, My Dear Sheila called Binaries. -- Tybort (talk page) 01:32, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

The Humans of Tara
Hi, I wonder if you could take a look at the page for The Humans of Tara. It has a lot of information on how to use the page as a template for other documentaries, and only a little information about the documentary itself. Thanks! Shambala108 talk to me 02:47, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

Series variable reply..
Hi! took a while to work out what you meant lol but I think I've got it. Let me know about DWA 278 when I've done it. I was just using a saved template from previous but if 278 is ok I'll work backgrounds ...and forwards obviously :) The Librarian talk to me 00:11, July 19, 2012 (UTC)

(individual)
I've been on the fence on whether to move people called (individual) for whatever reason, but if it's okay to dab those characters to stories though, as you have with Peladon then I gather Sontar (individual) is fine as Sontar (The Gods Walk Among Us) and Alpha Centauri as Alpha Centauri (The Curse of Peladon). -- Tybort (talk page) 19:39, July 19, 2012 (UTC)

Vandal
User:81.98.143.140 has vandalized today. OS25 (talk to me, baby.) 21:05, July 19, 2012 (UTC)

Locked template page
I'm not sure why Cyber-Leader (A Good Man Goes to War) is a Cyberman variant when it seems really likely to be a Mondasian Cyberman rather than the "other" (but still probably Mondasian) type from Blood of the Cybermen. It just seems to be a single Cyberman that's a subset of Cyber-Leader (Mondas). -- Tybort (talk page) 22:06, July 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * I understand the fuss and headaches Moffat-era Cybermen (well, okay, not just them) cause, but if I can't find any specifics in past forum threads, how exactly should I phrase it there? -- Tybort (talk page) 22:32, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

Braxiatel
in the Gallifrey (audio series) season 1 story weapon of choice. braxiatel reveals to romana's k9 that a future version of himself told him that bernice summerfield would give him a k9 unit in the future. how should i convey this information of the k9, braxiatel, bernice summerfield, and any other related pages.DalekSupreme13 ☎  10:57, July 28, 2012 (UTC)

Doctor Who universe
Could you drop into the Doctor Who universe page and discussion. I think I'm heading in edit war territory and would appreciate another admin's POV. Thanks. --Tangerineduel / talk 17:09, July 28, 2012 (UTC)

Primary term
Yes, I have seen in a couple of places that you're not a McCoy-era fan, but you seem to be really knowledgeable about whether things like Victoria work as primary terms.

As there's (at least) Caretaker (Scream of the Shalka) and Caretaker (A Stain of Red in the Sand), should Caretaker be dabed to Caretaker (Paradise Towers) or not? I'm leaning towards not, given that there's almost certainly references to the Earth profession, but maybe because there's several characters with that rank on Tybort (talk page) 20:09, July 30, 2012 (UTC)

Dab term fixes.
Bloodtide should be where Bloodtide (The Shakespeare Code) is, while the links currently leading to Bloodtide should lead to Bloodtide (audio story). -- Tybort (talk page) 13:04, July 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmm... the TM 24 page mentions unmade television stories called Revenants and Deadline. This means that the "vanilla" version of those pages shouldn't be redirects to ST: Revenants and BFDWU: Deadline, right? -- Tybort (talk page) 14:15, July 31, 2012 (UTC)

Chrome problems
I am experiencing a couple of problems with Google Chrome. Firstly, I cannot access the drop down menu next to the 'Edit' button, meaning I am unable to access the page's history, delete page etc. Also, the search bar does not auto suggest pages like it should. If for example, I start to type in 'Series', it does not show a list of all the pages that begin with 'Series' as it should. Any suggestions/or ways to fix this problem? MM/ Want to talk? 14:46, August 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * Never mind, I've sorted it. Turns out it was an extension I was running which blocks ads. Everything is fine now. MM/ Want to talk? 15:00, August 2, 2012 (UTC)

Edit Problems
I'm having some difficulty editing. It's slowly developed and now grown enormously. It's taken me something like 8 edits to complete one page, for example Jan Blythe, just because my computer is chucking me out of the edit zone. Is there some way of stopping this, by any chance?

This is very annoying and suddenly, it takes me half an hour to write something when it should only take a minute. Any help will be appreciated. --Cyruptsaram ☎  07:53, August 3, 2012 (UTC)

Well, OK, first I'm using a mac computer, whether that has any effect on it I'm not sure. Second, I always use safari as the web browser and never any of the others. Thirdly, it is publishing my edits, but I am incapable of finishing the sentences before it returns to the original page.

This does happen on every wikis I edit at, yes. As for my keyboard, nothing really different, just I'm not sure how different it would be from Windows keyboards, because I've never had one. And finally, no, I don't enable any CSS or JS.

Thank you for acknowledging my problem. I hope this information will help to rectify it. Even now, as I write this, it continues to chuck me out.--Cyruptsaram ☎  06:11, August 4, 2012 (UTC)>

It's worked, I used Firefox and it works. It must be safari or the version of safari I use. Thanks for your help.

Safari is version 5.1.7.--Cyruptsaram ☎  21:01, August 4, 2012 (UTC)

I apologise, I am not very technical, version 10.6.8.

Image bits
Hi Czech! Just to let you know that I'm mindful of the guidance and am currently in the process of revisiting various areas of my work especially DWA. The word bubbles do present a bit of a problem when selecting an appropriate image from only 4 pages (most noticebly with DWA but I will see what I can do. The Librarian ☎  04:10, August 5, 2012 (UTC)

Block
Hi there i am responding to a message you left me. I asked someone why i was blocked on doctor who answers and you replied that someone called brandon rhea gave me a "light" blocking. Could you please explain what a "light"blocking is, i.e. how long it lasts for. Please report back ASAP as i would like to once again be able to answer some questions on that wiki, this time without the bad talk. --Coop3 ☎  14:45, August 5, 2012 (UTC)

response
hi there im just responding to your message to me. Okay i am sorry for behaving like that, i did not know i was THAT bad. the only reason i pretend to be an admin is becuase if i dont then the trolls wont listen to me and i just get so annoyed becuase people go on there thinking its a medical website and so ask medical questions. If you could give me a link to a doctor who answers admin i could ask them to change the opening page for it and inform people. also the only reason i have admin as my occupation is because in real life i work in admin and so when asked that question, i answered it truthfully. that is all. --Coop3 ☎  18:58, August 6, 2012 (UTC)

Canisian and Paradise of Death
hey Czech, i previously asked a question on the talk page of the Canisians, anyway, how come it is regarded as non-canon to the Doctor Who universe, even though it is not a faction paradox or a Dr Who Unbound story? cheers Sclera1 ☎  06:28, August 7, 2012 (UTC)

Improper dabing
John Davies should be on John Davies (director) and John Davies (Everyone Says Hello) should be on the "vanilla" John Davies. Could you help in moving all this around? -- Tybort (talk page) 17:11, August 7, 2012 (UTC)

BF interior images
On many of the recent Big Finish releases there are images/illustrations in the booklet that are from within the story. Should these (like File:The Monk To the Death.jpg) just be tagged with BF audio cover and we just edit it to say "including interior illustrations" or should we create a new template "BF illustrations"? --Tangerineduel / talk 06:47, August 8, 2012 (UTC)

Categories
I've noticed a couple of things (problems!) about categories since the Media Wiki update. Firstly, categories do not extend over two line as they should at the bottom of the page. If a category name is too long to fit on the rest of a line, it is place on a new line underneath (meaning we can only get 3-4 categories on a line when we should be getting more). The other, quite obvious thing, is everyone is the Wiki Activity is saying that everyone is editing categories - it displays all categories for a page underneath the edit summary, I've check myself on a couple of edits and Users, who Wiki Activity say have edited categories, haven't even touched them.

Front page
Not a problem, more of a annoyance. All cover pages on the front page are no longer centred and are on the left (I went to edit it and there was no way, that I could see, of moving them back to the centre.)

Preview summary
Finally, whenever I go to preview an edit, I've noticed the word 'null' appearing at the bottom of the preview. I'm not sure why, but it can be an annoyance.

Many thanks. MM/ Want to talk? 19:20, August 8, 2012 (UTC)

Intermittent front page problem
I'm not sure whether it's something to do with the new MediaWiki version, or something else, but I wanted to give you a heads-up that at least sometimes, the front page is loading incorrectly in Safari on a Mac. Here is a screenshot of what I'm talking about. The alignment was fixed the next time I loaded the page, and it's not happening in Firefox, but I thought you should know that the display problem did happen at least once. —Josiah Rowe ☎  16:41, August 10, 2012 (UTC)

What does tardis mean? 119.160.142.4talk to me 09:08, August 11, 2012 (UTC)

Moved pages not showing up?
I'm gathering that this is a wikia-wide thing, but still, do you know why page moves no longer appear in Special:WikiActivity? -- Tybort (talk page) 21:50, August 11, 2012 (UTC)

Latest Advice
Thanks for the advice. Yes, that "Pat Imperial Moon)" was a mistake, because I was trying to finish the article and do another one before I had to do work. Stupid really, I know. I appreciate the help though. --Cyruptsaram ☎  07:27, August 12, 2012 (UTC)

Hi!
Hi There!:) Fairy Arisa 8.12.12 (Sorry I didnt sign this with the four tidles I have a customised signature and it refuses to work on this wiki)

Images <250px
Am I right that T:GTI's rule on image dimensions applies to every kind of image, including crops of CD covers? Little confused by why Revanvolatrelundar readded Vortisaur's image. -- Tybort (talk page) 13:10, August 12, 2012 (UTC)

Image cheat card
The links in the contents section of Help:Image cheat card are obscured by the background of the table. I don't know if this is a 1.19 issue, but I thought I'd let you know.

misquote
Hey, sorry to bug you (again), but there is a random quote on the front page that is incorrect. From The Big Bang, it has the Eleventh Doctor telling Rory, "The universe is not more important than your girlfriend." This makes no sense in context, so I did a search of scripts and found that the correct quote is, "Your girlfriend isn't more important than the whole universe." I don't know how to correct it so I wanted to bring it to your attention. Shambala108 ☎  00:01, August 13, 2012 (UTC)

PNG/Line drawings
Tybort raised a question with me with regard to PNGs and the term "line drawings", I took it to mean, as it's said in the same breath as SVG that it's a computer drawn graphic, like an SVG. But he raised that it could refer to line drawings as in. --Tangerineduel / talk 17:48, August 13, 2012 (UTC)

Grossly excessive spoiler warning messages
The new spoiler warning messages on (apparently) every single topic, even one about the 1996 movie, are (a) grossly excessive & (b) stupid. I'd seen the message too often the 2nd time it appeared. It needs to be taken out & shot. There's a prominent warning on the main page, already. We don't need to repeat it ad nauseam. If there really must be a message, show it once only, when the user arrives at the main page. A user who says "OK" once is going to say it again -- but shouldn't have to.

I don't know if you're the right person to contact about this but, if not, you're likely to know who is & be able to pass the message along. --2.101.49.3talk to me 22:20, August 13, 2012 (UTC)

PS: My IP address will change, so there's no point replying on what soon won't be my User Talk page. Anyway, it's as well to keep the parts of a conversation in the same place, so a reply here would be more useful. --2.101.49.3talk to me 22:23, August 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the feedback. I'm sorry you don't like the new spoiler screen.  However, it's going to remain as a standard part of Howling threads.


 * Here's why.


 * I understand that not every thread in the Howling starts out intending to contain spoilers, like the 1996 movie thread you mentioned, but since the Howling is unregulated, any thread could contain spoilers. Thus, to protect those of our readers and editors who don't want to be spoiled, this message will appear on every non-administrative Howling thread.


 * Last year, we had a number of editors stop working with us because they got inadvertently spoiled. We're doing everything in our power to help them out.  The task of pressing a button is really not so great a sacrifice on the scale of things.


 * I should point out, too, that your suggestions aren't technically achievable. We can't just put a screen on the main page of the Howling and hope that will stop inadvertent spoiling.


 * In the first place, there aren't any spoilers on Howling:The Howling itself, so what would be the point? We want people to read that page so they understand what the Howling is for. Putting a spoiler screen on tha page would mean that some users would never read it — which means they wouldn't understand what the Howling was when they encountered it in a site search.  That's a recipe for disaster.


 * In the second place, I reject your notion that someone who says yes once will always say yes. Doctor Who fans are very particular about their spoilers.  They might be happily spoiled about guest stars and production personnel, but avoid narrative details like the plague.  There are others who don't mind knowing the "big bad" in an episode prior to release, but don't want any more than that.  This method of flagging every single thread lets the individual user decide which particular threads they want to see.


 * In the third, it's possible to arrive at the Howling through a search now, which means people could be bypassing the main page. Thus, the only effective solution is to tag every page. Indeed, if you want to blame anyone for this new system, blame Wikia, who've made it quite possible to end up in the Howling thanks to this new searching system they've introduced. These spoiler screens are a direct response to the changes they've implemented to wiki searching.


 * So, the long and short of it is that I'm sorry you don't like it, but it's not changing any time soon. 01:33: Tue 14 Aug 2012

No, there are no spoilers on the main Howling page. But there are none on Howling:The retinal scanner for the Eye of Harmony in the TV Movie either & that got covered by the warning, although the warning didn't appear when I revisited the topic a few minutes ago. I note that, outside the Howling, the message appears only where there are or genuinely might be spoilers but someone decided to be indiscriminate about the Howling. It may serve to annoy people enough to abandon participation in the Howling but it's not likely to achieve much else there.

Warnings elsewhere are a different matter entirely. Most of the site is & is expected to be spoiler-free & the warning is justified where there are exceptions -- because they are exceptions.

Your assertion that "This method of flagging every single thread lets the individual user decide which particular threads they want to see" is foolish. The user has already made that decision by selecting the topic. Since the message gives no information about what type of spoiler(s) a topic may contain, it is totally useless to anyone trying to be "particular about their spoilers".

The point about searching does, however, have merit. What's needed to cope with that isn't an indiscriminate warning that affects everybody, every single time. What's needed is a search option to avoid (the default) or to include possible spoilers in the results. Since you're already marking pages as possibly containing spoilers, you can simply exclude marked pages.

Alternatively, at least allow the user the option to say, "Don't show me this warning again." That's a fairly standard approach where a warning is thought to be needed but would become annoying (even infuriating) if it came up frequently. For safety, the "don't show again" option ought to apply only to the current session or for a limited time. Even I would put up with the thing if I only needed to get rid of it once an hour (say).

I'm not at all objecting to giving warnings. I'm objecting to doing it in the most stupid way you could devise. (Well, the most stupid you could devise without consulting a government agency.)

The danger with making the warnings excessive is that users will get so used to dismissing the messages the moment they come up that they'll do it by habit even when they don't mean to. --89.242.70.171talk to me 05:06, August 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * Most of the suggestions you're making either aren't possible within a MediaWiki framework, or have been made impossible by Wikia. This is the best solution some of the brightest minds on Wikia have come up with.  Is it clumsy?  Perhaps.  But it's better than nothing.  And it really only affects those who actually frequent — in the full sense of that word — the Howling.  Which is a tiny proportion of our user base.


 * Despite the fact that this is only affecting a minority of users, this decision has not been rushed into. The needs of easy access to the threads was weighted against the potential that someone could get spoiled.  And there are frankly more people who could easily get spoiled by threads than those who are going to be massively inconvenienced by this.


 * Again, all you have to do is click a button. It's really not that big a deal.


 * As to your alternate suggestions, let me explain some of the technical barriers. There is no ready method, within this installation of MediaWiki 1.19 to:


 * Give a warning once every hour. Time has nothing to do with spoilers, anyway. It's not like one's desire to be spoiled abates or strengthens after an hour. You're going to feel the same now as you do in an hour, so a timed warning makes no logical sense. Even if it were possible.
 * Change the search option. I've already explored this with Wikia staff quite thoroughly.  There's no way to remove the Howling namespace from the "Everything" search, so it's entirely possible for someone to accidentally come across a Howling thread.  And now that the namespace no longer precedes results titles, a person wouldn't easily know that they were clicking on a Howling thread.  All they get is the bare title of the thread, so there's literally no other indication that a potentially spoiler-filled page is approaching.  In a typical results list you'd get This is a howling thread, not Howling:This is a howling thread. We therefore definitely need a gateway on each and every thread.   I'm not at all defending or detracting from the way Wikia have structured their search engine.  I'm just saying that the way it currently works makes it impossible to exclude the Howling by default from "Everything" searches.  This means we have to take a pro-active stance at the individual thread level to ensure people know what might happen within the body of the threads.
 * Create a message which lets people know what spoilers are contained within the thread. Obviously the message must be generic. The nature of any spoiler message is and always will be generic.  Even if we could customise the message — and we can't — we would never do it.  To tell people what spoilers are contained within the thread would be a kind of spoiler itself.  The best you can do is say that a thread may contain spoilers. I'd also point out that the spoiler screen message does say exactly that.  May contain spoilers.  This takes care of your 1996 movie thread example.  Sure, it wasn't started with the intent of spoiling, but because it's in the Howling, someone could add spoilers.  You just can't predict how a thread will develop at the Howling.  (Incidentally, the real problem isn't that the spoiler screen is inaccurately descending upon a thread with no spoilers.  It's that the thread shouldn't even be in the Howling at all.  It's actually better suited for Forum:Reference desk, instead.)


 * So, again, thanks for the feedback, but our hands are kind of tied by the the realities of the coding environment we're in. There are any number of wild and wonderful coding snippets we'd love to put on the wiki, but we have to bow to what's possible. And honestly, as long as Wikia have tightly controlled the search engine such that it's possible to accidentally stumble upon a Howling thread — even if your Special:Preferences are set to exclude the Howling namespace — then there will be a gate on each and every Howling thread.


 * If that diminishes interest in the Howling, honestly, it's not that big a deal. We are not primarily a message board, and the Howling doesn't actually attract a significant amount of traffic. It would honestly be better to delete the entirety of the Howling than to have dedicated editors leave our ranks because they got spoiled by the damned thing. But we don't need to delete the Howling.  The solution of the spoiler screen, for all its clumsiness, keeps the Howling alive.


 * And I really don't think it'll turn people off the Howling. In fact, I think some people who frequent the Howling will actually like it, because it keeps track of those threads you've visited.  Once you've chosen to go into a thread, you don't get the spoiler screen again, unless you change your cookies in some way. So it does have a practical benefit to both Howling users and Howling avoiders.   05:58: Tue 14 Aug 2012

One of the reasons I was so annoyed was that I was getting the message repeatedly on the same thread, each time I tried to look at it. From what you say, that shouldn't have happened & (as far as I can tell) it now doesn't. Perhaps, when I first encountered the thing, the cookies weren't functioning as intended & that made the thing seem worse than it should have been. I've not changed any options but the warning now doesn't show on threads I've already said it's OK to show. If that's the intended behaviour, it's bearable & nowhere near as bad as it was at first.

The behaviour I was getting at first might well have turned people off. What's happening now, I agree, probably won't. It's a pity the thing acted the way it did at first. If it had worked as it now does, you'd not have heard from me.

As for the time-limited "Don't show" option: My thought was that a cookie could be used. Cookies can be set to expire at a specified time. A user who chose "Don't show me this warning again for at least an hour" (or whatever) could be given a cookie that had an expiry time 1 hour later (or after whatever interval was appropriate). As long as the cookie was still current, that user wouldn't see the warning message at all. --89.242.78.179talk to me 05:18, August 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * It's a truism of IT that people who are online at the moment of implementation get screwed by the changes. This is largely because stuff needs time to "settle down", or just because you as the programmer needs time to "finesse" the work into place. Likely what you experienced a coupla days ago was the moment at which I was finessing it.  Each time that I made an incremental change in the js file, cookies would have likely been reset, which means that you would have gotten the message over and over again on teh same thread.  But no, that's not the intended behaviour, nor is it what I thought was the issue you were having.  Sorry for the miscommunication.


 * Yeah, sure, cookies can be, and usually are, set with some time factor. But, if I understood you correctly, you were proposing that we put a cookie at Howling:The Howling, or maybe that we make the cookie on the first spoiler screen encountered by the user applicable to all other spoiler screen cookies. The first possibility is flatly impossible, and the second might be technically possible but useless.  I think people will and do choose which Howling threads to read.  Just because they might go into one Howling thread in no way implies they want to see all of them.  So it's better to keep the screen on each individual thread.  05:42: Wed 15 Aug 2012

Error?
Suddenly I'm getting pages displayed like this in the last day or two. Here's a photo: Photo. Is this problem on my end? Note I'm running Safari 6.0 on Mac OS 10.7.4.Gallicus ☎  07:19, August 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ta for the prompt reply. Tad, annoying but I'll live, and at least I know for sure (I did suspect the wiki upgrade). :) I avoid the Oasis simply because I find it a waste of browser real estate (in other words I wouldn't mind it if it didn't constrict page widths)!Gallicus ☎  07:44, August 15, 2012 (UTC)

Purpose of wiki
Yeah, the idea is to cover the BBC's filmed material - be it on television, DVD or online. --SawyerDN ☎  10:27, August 15, 2012 (UTC)

Vandal
User:74.229.250.243 appears to be a vandal. OS25 (talk to me, baby.) 22:57, August 20, 2012 (UTC)

(Well, okay, it's more like rejoin, really.) -- Tybort (talk page) 23:52, August 20, 2012 (UTC)

Tech Advice
Hey, I had a quick tech-related question: You know how this Wiki's "new messages" notification has been reprogrammed to say "You have a hypercube (at ____)"? Could you tell me how to do that for other Wikis?

Thanks, User: Dr. Anonymous1 15:54, August 22, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks; I've actually been wondering how to add that. As for the removal of the original message, I had already asked TD the same question, and I didn't want to bother you twice. Thank you for telling me. User: Dr. Anonymous1 16:43, August 22, 2012 (UTC)

Ok, it's fixed. I think. I think the link to my Talk page was accidentally eliminated when I tried to change it a while back. Dr. Anonymous1 ☎  16:55, August 22, 2012 (UTC)

Ummm... Even after reading the thread, I still can't understand how to change it. Any chance you have enough time to give me a walkthrough on the matter?

In case you're wondering, I'm asking 'cos I want to edit the "new messages" notification on IZ Wiki to say "Incoming transmission (from ___) Thanks, Dr. Anonymous1 ☎  17:07, August 22, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, no I didn't; my brain and eyes have a nasty habit of overlooking such things. I'll check it out. Dr. Anonymous1 ☎  22:52, August 22, 2012 (UTC)

OK, so I checked the links you included in the thread, but I don't understand one thing: How am I supposed to find these templates (only word I can think of) on other Wikis? Do I just do a search for "MediaWiki:newmessagesmulti" in the search bar? For that matter, is there any guarantee that all other Wikis also have these?

Also, another matter: I talked with Tangerineduel about where to place the following information: In a 2010 interview, Steven Moffat stated that the New Paradigm Daleks would not be replacing their bronze predecessors, but were instead created to serve as an "officer class" to their smaller counterparts. (reference: Doctor Who Brilliant Book 2011)

This factoid has been confirmed by several reliable sources, but I want to know where to put it: It doesn't really qualify as a spoiler, since Steven Moffat said that they were created for the aforementioned purpose, but since this hasn't yet appeared in any official episodes, TD advised me to put this fact in the "Behind the Scenes" section. To you think that this is a good course of action? Dr. Anonymous1 ☎  14:14, August 23, 2012 (UTC)

Is it ok if I just go with what TD said? Dr. Anonymous1 ☎  17:23, August 23, 2012 (UTC)

Infobox reminder
Oops sorry about that, I guess I wasn't looking at the variable very carefully. Shambala108 ☎  05:09, August 24, 2012 (UTC)

Page moving
Alf (disambiguation) should either be on Alf or Alfred, while the "vanilla" Alf should be on Alf (The Empty Child). Can your magic do that? I'm not accidentally requesting something doable on my own, am I? -- Tybort (talk page) 23:44, August 24, 2012 (UTC)

Lack of Redemption?
Hey, when I was here last time, I noticed that for articles like Luke Rattigan and Daleks Caan and Sec, there was a category called "reformed/redeemed individuals." (I think it was "reformed", but redeemed seems more appropriate.)

Anywho, I just checked all three of those articles, and it seems that this category has disappeared. Why? It doesn't make any sense! -Dr. Anonymous1 ☎  00:05, August 27, 2012 (UTC)