User:SOTO/Forum Archive/Inclusion debates/@comment-5.2.105.85-20170222095120/@comment-4028641-20170227012324

User:SOTO/Forum Archive/Inclusion debates/@comment-5.2.105.85-20170222095120/@comment-4028641-20170227012324 Ah jeeeezz tho I was right about me being really cringey in the past. Man people just did not like me back then at all. Also I didn't know how to spell "course" and yet I used it all the freakin' time.

This is where Czech lays out his ideas and how he thinks they make sense.

His statements are:

1) The characters were not licensed and no one was payed. The story could never be aired more than once. Thus it is not properly licensed.

2) It's a parody because it's a less-good version of regular Doctor Who. It's a spoof because I think it's bad.

3) Fans think it isn't canon. The BBC told fans that it wasn't going to be the main continuation, and it possibly tried to build down the hype. JNT later got super frustrated while being asked to defend it, and basically said "Part of the canon? Is there a canon? We didn't plan for it to be part of some big picture in the end. Look, I don't care. Who gave you my phone number?"

That's the gist of his points, which have been the only reason we keep the story invalid.

Oh, and he also says that because of the "technically non-existent" licensing, we can't allow images because it can't be aired again.

A big surprise is that there are some good counter points raised here. As "Rowan" points out during the debate, "This can't be aired again" isn't a very good argument for not allowing images from the episode. If that's the case, we should delete every single picture printed in Assimilation². There's a comic made to be printed once, and now no-one owns. Neither Titan or IDW can ever print it again.

Instead of responding to any of these valid points, the answer anyone received was "I'm bored" and then the power got shut off.

Czech's final argument seems to be "THIS ISN'T WORTH OUR TIME. LET'S DO OTHER STUFF INSTEAD." It's another argument that hasn't aged well. It's certainly not the foot he should have ended it on, it gives off the tone of "Let me tell you what you're allowed to care about." This isn't a personal attack on Czech, most people in that thread come across as kinda off.

Over all, most of Czech's point are kinda weird. DiT isn't a parody just because some people think that it isn't good. If that's the case, let's go ahead and call all of Series 2 invalid. New Earth is a pathetic imitation of something that used to be good. Total panto in space. So now it's invalid, right? Great, now we can move on to the Peter Davison era. Let's single handedly judge the quality of every story ever made until eventually every page on this wiki has a NOT-VALID tag.

As mentioned beforehand, JNT sounds less like someone sure that his story wasn't meant to be set in the DWU and more like an angry person who's been bothered for years over a thing he did for charity. The phrase "whatever that is" sounds like he's more annoyed with the constant crap he gets about his hard work; I can't take it as a serious assessment of his mindset during production. The comments of the BBC and JNT years after fans personally attacked them for making a TV special has little to no bearing on the immediate authorial and corporate intent.