User:SOTO/Forum Archive/The Panopticon/@comment-4028641-20170618182814/@comment-24894325-20170619064738

User:SOTO/Forum Archive/The Panopticon/@comment-4028641-20170618182814/@comment-24894325-20170619064738 Great that the Churchill dilemma is resolved.

Donald Trump has serious problems. There is an image of the current US president in Extremis that looks nothing like the image of Donald Trump in The Lie of the Land, and neither of them is "orange", which is a verbal description of the current US president by Bill from The Pyramid at the End of the World.

But if I equivocate about the other cases, Gagarin is where I draw the line. What is the identification of this astronaut as Gagarin based on? For me, this is not even RW, this is just a speculation. Please persuade me otherwise because I cannot read minds. I just don't see the resemblance.

As for the DUH rule, it would have to be much more detailed. In particular, we already can use the name of the speech, in the title of the page and in BTS. On the other hand, there was a recent case where editors were arguing about a particular tank model used in The Runaway Bride, moving pages and all but regurgitating the specs of several real-world tanks when all that needed to be said was that it was a tank. The level of specificity necessary in identifying real-world elements in cameo-like appearances is also dependent on the context. And this is in addition to the possible uncertainty of the identification: if a character starts whistling the beginning of another song by the Beatles, "All You Need Is Love", I would strongly caution everyone against claiming that this is "La Marseillaise", for instance.