Talk:Seventh Doctor (Death Comes to Time)

Why do we have this page?
I know Death Comes to Time is considered to be invalid, but this just seems to be the Seventh Doctor appearing in an invalid source, rather than a seperate character. For example, we don't have Seventh Doctor (Dimensions in Time) or Seventh Doctor (Search Out Space). NightmareofEden ☎  21:49, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Proposed merge
I see someone added a merge tag. Given his ambiguous status, I'm of a mind that this version of the Seventh Doctor is best covered on his own page still, even if we also mention him at Seventh Doctor as potentially just an event in the mainstream Doctor's life. What do other people think? Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 16:02, 23 January 2023 (UTC)


 * That could work. I'd be of the mind to put info about "this" Seventh Doctor into the "main" one's biography, in a new section with, as opposed to just in an "Other realities" section, however. 16:23, 23 January 2023 (UTC)


 * He should be mentioned in both. Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 16:40, 23 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Sure, there's a tiny bit of odd ambiguity regarding this Doctor's reality, but there's just as much ambiguity regarding the Virgin reality or 2-D universe et al., and we're not making pages for Seventh Doctor (Timewyrm: Genesys) or Seventh Doctor (The Sirens of Time). I think the pages should be merged. – n8 (☎) 19:42, 23 January 2023 (UTC)


 * I'd agree with you in an ideal world, but the difference is that the authorial intent of DWUness of Timewyrm: Genesys and The Sirens of Time is not in question. So long as it's covered in a Rule 4 By Proxy paradigm, we cannot start from the same default of it being intended as prime-DWU: in a very real sense we should cover this material as though it were contained "within" the relevant references in e.g. Zagreus. Particularly with the degree to which we can Wikify the Same Face connection apparently being in question, this leaves us with only the very vague Canisian-invasion allusion for hard evidence that the events of DCtT properly happened as far as the Eight Doctor onwards' universe is concerned. And that doesn't count for nothing, of course, but it does mean that we should give somewhat more prominence to the "alternate timeline of some kind" way of looking at DCtT than we would if it were an inherently-valid story that had only later been intimated to be some kind of alternate continuity.


 * And all, of course, is without going into the question of whether the story itself contains in-universe clues that its events constitute a forking/aborted timeline, as discussed in the BTS of The Doctor's reality (Death Comes to Time) itself… Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 19:52, 23 January 2023 (UTC)