User talk:Amorkuz

Welcome
Howdy :) Somehow you've managed to miss our automatic greeting, which I've now forced manually on to this page. We're really glad you're here!  However, because you flummoxed our system, you probably weren't able to peruse our local rules.  One of the biggest has to do with our rules of image use.  Please take a minute to flip through that, as well as our guide to images.

One of the biggest rules we have is that images must be at least 250px in width. I've therefore had to delete some of your images, because they were all 170px. This makes a difference, because it greatly limits their ability to be used on the site.

Don't get frustrated, though! We all make mistakes when we're just starting out, and since our auto-greeter didn't greet you, the mistake is even more understandable. Please feel free to resubmit again at at least 250px widths (though, if you can, try to go for 300px, if that doesn't involve "stretching" the image in any way).

If you have any questions about picture manipulation and usage, please feel free to write to either me or SmallerOnTheOutside. Thanks again for being a part of our community! 20:50: Tue 13 May 2014

Timeline information
Hi! I want to explain why I had to undo some of your edits. A while ago, we decided to get rid of timeline sections on pages (Forum:Timeline sections on pages). That includes things like "this story has to take place after Such and Such" when it's not really notable or relevant to the article. I hope that makes sense. Thanks!  P&amp;P  talk   contribs  01:45, October 24, 2015 (UTC)

Dear P&amp;P, Thank you for noticing my efforts. Could you please direct me to the discussion in the forum, based on which you had to undo my edits? I would like to familiarize myself with the definition of "notable or relevant," and, perhaps, reopen the discussion. You see, I've started adding this information based on my own experience: when I choose which story to listen to next, I need this information. So it is good if I can find it in the intro, without the need to scroll down to the Continuity section risking to see some spoilers on the way. Here is an example of what I wanted to know: I wanted to listen to companion chronicles in timeline-chronological order rather than the order of release. Hence, I needed to figure out which stories happened before the TV timeline even began. Granted, there is a navigation box at the bottom listing Susan-only companion Chronicles. So I started listening to one of them, Quinnis. But I couldn't make heads or tails of what Susan talks about in the beginning (e.g., Alex who met his great-grandfather) because she mentions the events of An Earthly Child, a story from another Big Finish range. I had to stop listening and do some not-spoiler-free digging around. It is to prevent such situations that I've started adding the timeline information to the intros.

Now, I agree that in many cases this information is superfluous as in can be inferred from the companion set. But let me give you one example of my edit that you have removed but I would still want it to be restored because I consider this "notable and relevant" case. In Domain of the Voord, one of the enemy leaders, Nebrin mentions Marinus virtually in every conversation. I would even go as far as to say that Domain of the Voord can be viewed as a sequel to The Keys of Marinus. I am prepared to argue this point publicly, but this should be done in that old discussion of timelines, I think. There are other less obvious connections that are relevant to the plots of some (but not all) of the edits I'd added and you've removed. Perhaps, I would be able to persuade the community regarding some of them that their presence in the Intro part is beneficial for those who do not want to watch all of the classic Doctor Who.Amorkuz ☎  08:16, October 24, 2015 (UTC)


 * Hey. First, you should leave your responses on the other person's talk page instead of yours. That way, they'll get a notification that you've responded.


 * The original decision to get rid of timeline sections was made at Forum:Timeline sections on pages. Read the closing for the salient points. That discussion has been archived, so if you want to bring it up again, you'd have to start a new thread at Board:The Panopticon. You also might want to read Tardis:Changing policy and Tardis:Who writes policy for some background on how this wiki changes policies.


 * Personally, I think getting rid of timeline information was a good move. It's just not really necessary to say "The Doctor's Tale is set after An Unearthly Child", and more specific placements would require speculation. The fact that an Ian and Barbara story mentions The Crusades so it has to take place after that story is too minor to be put in the lead, and really belongs in the "continuity" section. The exception would be, as you stated, when a story is a direct sequel to another (like Domain of the Voord) which is definitely noteworthy. That should be remarked on in the lead. I think the pages for Blood Harvest and The Butcher of Brisbane do this pretty well.  P&amp;P  talk   contribs  14:42, October 24, 2015 (UTC)


 * For the vast majority of Companion Chronicles, and probably most Who stories, the placement isn't lead-worthy. The lead should be about why that story is unique or important. If placement information is included, the article should explain why that's relevant. Let's take, for example, The Doctor's Tale. Rather than say "this story takes place after The Crusade", it's more interesting to the reader to say "Ian's knighthood in The Crusade played a key role in the plot of this story." Or for Domain of the Voord, "this story saw the First Doctor and his companions once more facing the Voord, who they had previously encountered in The Keys of Marinus" is better than "this story takes place after The Keys of Marinus."


 * To me, the only situations where timeline placement is "certain enough and noteworthy enough" is when either the a story leads directly on from the previous one (like Time Crash following on from the ending of Last of the Time Lords) or there is out-of-universe information (the inside cover of The Hyperion Empire says it is between Last Christmas and Series 9). That's just my opinion, however, and noteworthiness is subjective. I don't think there can be a one-size-fits-all rule for this.


 * One last thing: leads don't have to be spoiler free, and in many cases they shouldn't be. If the lead of Earthshock failed to mention the appearance of the Cybermen at the end of part one or Adric's death at the end of part four, it would be fundamentally incomplete.  P&amp;P  talk   contribs  19:12, October 24, 2015 (UTC)

Please do not add timeline placement of stories in articles. User:PicassoAndPringles clearly stated why in her post and even gave you, at your request, a link to the forum decision. She gave clear examples of when and how to include this kind of information. If you would like to place stories in the "proper" timeline, you can only do so at Theory:Timey-wimey detector. Thanks. Shambala108 ☎  02:59, October 28, 2015 (UTC)


 * I don't understand what my dissension on the original discussion has to do with this, unless you're inferring that disagreement with a policy allows one to break it (see Tardis:You are bound by current policy). Once a policy is in place, everyone must follow it, whether they agreed on it or not and whether they even participated in the discussion or not.


 * And actually, "noteworthy" is not that hard to define. Merely listing where a story falls in relation to other stories is not only not noteworthy, but some of these listings leave out other media (please see Tardis:Neutral point of view), and often they are extremely speculative. We don't allow speculation on the wiki.


 * Noteworthy timeline info can go in the "Notes" or "Continuity" sections of story pages. I suggest you browse a few story pages in different media to see how it's handled. But sourced placement of stories should absolutely not belong on the page at all, much less the lead. Sure, Big Finish says where their stories take place relative to the TV series, but this wiki covers all media.


 * As I posted above, you can take this material to the Theory:Timey-wimey detector, which was put in place to house timeline placement information so that those who are interested in this kind of information can have a place to work out placement. But mere placement should not go on a story page unless the story has relevance to another story — such as a sequel, prequel, flashback, etc.


 * I hope that P&P and I have made the matter clear enough for you. There are some areas of the wiki where it just takes time to understand the nuances of a rule, and this happens to be one of them. Shambala108 ☎  02:28, October 29, 2015 (UTC)

Category:Post-2005 Doctor Who cast reprising their roles at Big Finish
There doesn't seem to be a category for Pre-2005 Doctor Who cast reprising their roles at Big Finish (I checked Sylvester McCoy's page, no such category there), so I'm not sure your category should even exist. How can we have this without also having a similar one for classic era cast reprisals?

Images
Hi! Please note that all images uploaded to the wiki must be less than 100kb. You can read our image policies at Thread:148148. Thanks! Shambala108 ☎  00:35, November 11, 2015 (UTC)
 * I see you're having problems compressing even small, 450px wide images to <100kb. I'd love to help you out.  If you have image editing software, please let me know the name and I can help provide instructions.  If you don't, then you should be able to accomplish the task easily with http://tinypng.com.  (Although the site stresses its ability to shrink pngs, it also handles jpgs quite well.) If you have any questions about how to technically achieve the compression, please don't hesitate to ask!  02:45: Thu 12 Nov 2015

Exact release dates
There's no policy about listing the exact date. Some stories are listed as being released on the last day of the month because that's the date listed in DWM, but it's almost always wrong. The only way to know the exact date is to find the news item on the Big Finish website, which is only available from 2011 onwards, and it can be hard to track down the specific post for older items. For consistency, I usually leave the exact date off.  P&amp;P  talk   contribs  16:10, November 21, 2015 (UTC)

Moving pages
Hello again. We actually ask that non-admins don't move pages themselves. All that is required before the switch is made is that any links be altered to reflect the move. I can do it myself, if you tell me your intention, or you can do it and I'll just rename it when you're done. It's up to you. Anyway, keep up the good work.-- 18:55, December 12, 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: if it's an indisputable case that does not need discussion, you can (and should) use on the article. This puts the article on T:SPEEDY, where any admin can rename it if there are no outstanding links to the old name, or any admin with a bot (such as myself) can move those links and then the page. If there are more than 10 wikilinks to the outdated title, or less even, don't bother doing the links, and just mark   as   on the template—I can change all the links by bot quite easily before moving the page. 09:39, December 20, 2015 (UTC)

Public domain images
Hey. I deleted the public domain images you uploaded because per Tardis:Images and perspective, images must come from an in-universe source. This is an extension of the policy against using real world information on in-universe articles. Thanks.

On a related note, is the Weltausstellung 1873 Wien called that in the story, or is it referred to by its English name?  P&amp;P  talk   contribs  21:35, December 13, 2015 (UTC)


 * Yeah, the manual of style is a big, spread-out document and no one is faulting you for not knowing every specific of it.


 * You're spot on with your suspicions about page naming. Wikipedia is not our guide, the stories are. Based on what you've said, I think "Weltausstellung 1873 Wien" should be "Vienna Exposition", "Vienna Ring Road" should be "Ringstraße" (might want to keep a redirect for searchability though), and "Stephansplatz, Vienna" should just be "Stephansplatz". I can do the page moves. Are there any others?  P&amp;P  talk   contribs  01:49, December 14, 2015 (UTC)


 * We should probably use the Austrian German spelling for Ringstraße, with a redirect at the alternate spelling. For Wallmann, I'd use the most common spelling in absence of the script.  P&amp;P  talk   contribs  20:36, December 15, 2015 (UTC)


 * Booklet illustrations are a-okay. They even have their own copyright template,, under "Illustrations and Art" on the drop-down. I know the art from The Light at the End and some of the main range stories has been used on other pages.  P&amp;P  talk   contribs  22:32, December 15, 2015 (UTC)

Linking (Emperor)
Hi! Worry not, linking "Empress" to Emperor is no problem at all. All I was doing was enforcing policy on over-wikification: you had already linked to the page in the same section and, in fact, even in the same bullet point. It's just simple cleanup to keep linking to a minimum. If ever you have Empress on a page without a prior link to Emperor (or at least without a prior link in the relevant page section), then it shouldn't be a problem to do precisely what you did. RogerAckroydLives ☎  04:08, December 14, 2015 (UTC)


 * Sounds fine to me. Sorry if it felt as if I was "muscling in" on your work, I just decided to take the opportunity to do a quick clean-up while I changed the "Larisch" link in preparation for a page move. Always good to have someone working on stories from the "less important" mediums, especially BF. Happy editing! RogerAckroydLives ☎  10:57, December 14, 2015 (UTC)

Naming conventions for BF plays
By the way, seeing your discussions with Skittles and P&P, I thought it might be beneficial to inform you of name availability with regard to Big Finish Productions. The particular story you're currently working on, The Silver Turk, is one of many audio dramas which BF has made the script of available to subscribers. This practice started with the monthly release The Magic Mousetrap, and continues today in the MR. Therefore, it might be beneficial to get in touch with a user who does subscribe to the monthly dramas when you wish to find a definitive spelling when doing any work on MR releases from #120 onwards. RogerAckroydLives ☎  11:09, December 14, 2015 (UTC)

RE: bot work
You're welcome. Happy editing! :) Leave me a message if you ever see something that needs automation to get done. 09:06, December 15, 2015 (UTC)

Big Finish information
If you need any more information don't hesitate to ask, also refering to to last message on User:SOTO's wall, the credits are on the early CD releases just in the booklet inside not on the cover. Adric♥Nyssa∩Talk? 17:54, December 17, 2015 (UTC)

Any time :)
I'm so glad you're apt to learn. Anything you need, anything you don't understand, feel free to ask me. 09:03, December 18, 2015 (UTC)

Mary's Story edit
Thanks for letting me know but, in all honesty, I did not even notice that you edited the page after me! --GusF ☎  22:50, December 21, 2015 (UTC)

Barkers and punters
Hey, I'm just wondering. In the cast list of The Silver Turk, "barkers" and "punters" are listed, but not linked. There's currently a page at Barker for an individual named that. What is meant by barkers and punters in the cast list? If barker (or Barker?) is a page that should be created, then Barker the individual will need dabbing. 22:01, January 2, 2016 (UTC)


 * If I only knew what is meant. These are not named individuals, for sure. Most probably, these refer to the audience at the Silver Turk's performance. They have no legible words, essentially. And I have no idea about the difference between the two: barkers when the audience is unhappy and punters when happy? Perhaps, it is clarified in the script. As for pages, I thought about it and I (as little experience as I have) wouldn't create a page for them. I wouldn't know what to say. "People unhappy that the performance of the Silver Turk was interrupted by the Doctor who received their money back from Heinz (The Silver Turk)"? But I think really my main problem that without the script I cannot distinguish the two groups. Amorkuz ☎  23:00, January 2, 2016 (UTC)
 * I knew there was something I'd forgotten about. Lol
 * Ah, perhaps. If that is the case, maybe they shouldn't have a page. I mean, those names aren't mentioned in the dialogue. They're essentially extras. Just the cast being reused to affirm or reject the people on stage. 23:47, January 2, 2016 (UTC)


 * UPD. It turns out I did not know what means. By accident I heard this used today and followed up. So Barkers are not the audience. Barkers are people at the Vienna Exposition advertising its various exhibits. They actually have words: for instance, they name some exhibits that I plan to make pages for. Punters then are the audience. This is the meaning 1.1 form here. Still, since the words themselves are not uttered in-universe, perhaps, it is not necessary to create pages for them. What they do can easily be described without referring to these rare and specialised words. Amorkuz  ☎  04:15, January 6, 2016 (UTC)

Also

 * Oh, also, if you think you're up to it, would you mind adding an entry to 11 September (and essentially the same text to 1873) at some point in the future? I haven't listened to it myself yet, but it's been on my list to add info to that date from Silver Turk for years. 22:06, January 2, 2016 (UTC)


 * Not at all, in fact, it is my plan to go through all the links on story's page and see if the linked pages should have some info added. But I would probably do it after making notes, references and continuity remarks some of which didn't make it to the plot. But this will not happen soon. In fact, I fear work will prevent me from editing the next two weeks at all. Amorkuz ☎  23:00, January 2, 2016 (UTC)
 * Aww, that's too bad. But there's certainly no rush. It'll be great to have some new date info. :) 23:47, January 2, 2016 (UTC)

Byronic befuddlement
An abomination indeed...

It was indeed right of you to go searching through sources for a direct reference: thankfully, there is (at least) one, found within The Witch from the Well, due to which I have proposed the renaming. You are correct in thinking that naming based on real world info is generally a no-go, but if in future you come across a similar such famous historical figure, bringing it up on the talk page wouldn't be against the policies we follow. You may simply be advised that the community doesn't see the need, but I'm afraid it's the best you can do. RogerAckroydLives ☎  09:07, January 24, 2016 (UTC)