Talk:War Doctor/Archive 2

My theory
I know this is speculation. But instead of being an "8.5" or the "Real 9th Doctor", I reckon John Hurt will be playing an older Eighth Doctor. In the flashbacks, there was no Eighth Doctor, in the time stream sequence at the end when they were running past, there was no Eighth Doctor.

This way, none of the regenerations get messed around and from a story perspective it can still make perfect sense, not to mention, the costuming is a mix between 8 and 9. So that's my theory, John Hurt is playing an older 8th Doctor.

That is actually make pretty much sense... But Paul McGann and John Hurt are not similar in any way. Besides, we can actually see Eight running in the intro part (before the opening music), running just after the second Doctor. We can't see his face, but this is definitly the eight's Doctor's suit. Puchplimmirdeyslithin ☎  23:38, May 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * This talk page is for discussing improvements to this article only. The place for theorising is Howling:The_Howling. &mdash; Rob T Firefly - &#916;&#8711; - 23:58, May 18, 2013 (UTC)

It all makes sense now. John Hurt is the Lost Doctor. I've heard about this rumor earlier but this makes it clear. John Hurt is the true 9th Doctor in between the 8th Doctor and Christopher Eccleston's 9th Doctor. However, they were able to incorporate this game-changing revelation. In the episode, it's stated that Hurt's Doctor didn't act in the name of the Doctor. This means that while this makes Eccleston the 10th incarnation, Tennant the 11th incarnation, and Smith the 12th incarnation, they still remain as the 9th, 10th, and 11th Doctors respectively. It's also cool how this was the meaning of the episode's title. The title didn't mean the Doctor's true name but rather the Doctor's incarnations acting in the name of the Doctor, save for Hurt's incarnation.
 * I'm putting in my bid now that he ought to become known as "the intercalated Doctor" - as in the Intercalated Olympic Games (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intercalated_Games) - on this basis.86.160.61.43talk to me 13:39, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

Article title
I think the name of this Doctor is a bit vague. The Eleventh Doctor refers to this one as his secret. I think referring to him as "the Secret Doctor" is a more apt description than "Unknown Doctor", "Unknown Iteration" or "The Doctor (The Name of the Doctor)". I figure this is better from a narrative point of view for the wiki until we get a more apt description from the show.


 * I don't agree. He is credited as "The Doctor" in "The Name of the Doctor" so I believe it is a correct title for now for the article. When the Anniversary comes out I'm sure it will be changed but for now I think the current title is correct. --BorgKnight ☎  04:34, May 19, 2013 (UTC)


 * "Unknown Doctor" is a bit vague, "unspecified past Doctor" would be quite consistent with what is shown on screen.86.160.61.43talk to me 08:41, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

Pre-Valeyard maybe?
I mean think... if he's the doctor who broke his promise he becomes the valeyard, right? so that makes him doctor 12, only having aged76.14.164.72talk to me 10:21, May 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * The Valeyard was "between the 12th and 13th".-- 13:06, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

And how can the Doctor hate himself and know this one 'broke the promise' of his name, so to speak, if he hasn't been him yet. If this one becomes the Valeyard, how can he do so when we haven't even got to 12 yet, let alone the halfway point between 12 and 13?---20:20 May 19 2013 (Ire.)

Or maybe
He's the final incarnation doctor after his death, in his own hell/limbo having to watch himself in his past over and over again

How would he watch his past? --124.169.223.225talk to me 13:39, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

What's The Doctor's True Name?

It's one of two things for my money:

1) He's the iteration of the Doctor that destroyed Gallifrey at the end of the Time War. As far as I know (and, correct me if I'm wrong here), Doctors 9, 10 and 11 never actually referred to themselves as such, and there's no official canon story of 8 participating in the Time War. He could be, as reported, the Ninth, where we just assumed it was Eight. It's been said the Doctor fought in the war, like a soldier on a battlefield, but that's nothing like the Doctor we know who never, ever takes up arms. So "breaking the promise" of his name would fit.

2) It's the Valeyard. The Great Intelligence did drop that in there as a future name of the Doctor, speaking as if Valeyard was a name that had been applied to the same version of the Doctor that was buried on Trenzalore. We didn't see any other future versions of him there, even though there should be, since it contained "all the days of my life, even the ones I haven't lived yet". And Eleven would know about it as he'd already met the Valeyard during the trial on Gallifrey. Maybe he met the Valeyard again during the war, since he apparently escaped after his only known canon appearance. True, the Valeyard was said to be some kind of interstitial Doctor, a 12.5, but maybe that's not right? Maybe he is a legitimate future version, the Doctor's greatest secret, that for all the good he does every day, he's going to end up some kind of monster.

The Other
If this Doctor isn't The Valeyard, perhaps it is The Other. The Other was one of the greatest figures of Gallifrey. Some sources state that The Other eventually reincarnated into the Doctor, and the Doctor had memories of him. Rasilon and Omega were not good guys in the end, perhaps The Other killed himself because of what he had done. We don't even know The Other's name, just like the Doctor. 184.166.6.102talk to me 15:06, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

Should this Doctor be added to the Incarnations of the Doctor group?
The page used to be in this group, but CzechOut removed it because of 11 stating that "I said he was me, I never said he was the Doctor."

Is this character not just as much The Doctor as the Valeyard or the Dream Lord? Just because this character either does not use, or is not worthy of the name "Doctor" doesn't mean he should not be in the same group. The 11th Doctor very obviously states that "Doctor Hurt" is the same person. It's in fact the same character. A name change doesn't mean he doesn't belong in the same group. At this point, he fits perfectly into the same group as the Valeyard or the Dream lord, both of which are still listed under Incarnations of the Doctor.

I think you're taking his quote about him not being the Doctor way too literally. Hurt is still quite obviously credited as the Doctor. You can't really argue with that. It's in big fat letters on the screen during the episode.