Talk:Weeping Angel/Archive 1

What to do if you are chased by a Weeping Angel
Go to the nearest Mirror. Make sure you don't need to hold it, and the Angel is not in Weeping Pose, but is looking at you. Duck! It will look at its reflection. An image of a Weeping Angel will become a Weeping Angel. They are frozen forever. If you do it wrong, you have two Weeping Angels chasing you. -Tom

You could always just get them all in one place then lob a nade. It would be very affective.- Jasper

(If all else fails well, Good Luck -Josh)

When are they quantum locked?
I disagree about the blinking analogy to the quantum locking. From my understanding if a sentient creature is observing them they automatically become quantum locked and have no control over this. However they also act quantum locked if they think they are being observed, and can become quantum locked at any time. They are always quantum locked if the are being observed, but can decide whether they are or not at all other times. I think of the scene where they do not move when they think that Amy is watching them as being similar to when Amy's hand "turns to stone". It makes no difference to her whether it is stone or not, and she acts as if it was, as she believes it is. Similarly it makes no difference to the Angels that they are not actually being observed as they think they are, and so act accordingly. I assume that if you suddenly turned to stone every time something looked at you you would become resigned to the idea and stop trying to move when something is looking at you. I think that's a better explanation, but can't edit it in myself. The one at the moment suggests that the Angels could move if someone was looking at them, which would be completely against the whole idea, whereas this explanation facilitates both.

Weaknesses
The weaknesses section claims Angels observing each other would permanently quantum-lock both as stone, but this is never actually stated. Should the statues be moved by some outside force (i.e. a human) so they were no longer observing each other, it's possible they'd be free to move again.

Hardwick?
It's from A Ghost Story for Christmas, a short which aired on BBC's website featuring Jack Harkness narrating about Hardwick being stalked by the Angels. It featured footage of Blink. Ultimately, the Angels get her and she gets warped back in time. MrCatharsis 21:38, April 23, 2010 (UTC) it's been documented in several places... Including here. MrCatharsis 21:14, April 24, 2010 (UTC)

What happened to this page?
tried to revert it but was denied several time can anyone revert it ?

Assassin of death 12:17, 27 May 2009 (UTC) Assassin of death


 * The problem is that undoing an edit in the manner attempted undoes the last edit, but not the one previous to that. In this instance there have been two editors making changes to this article.


 * To revert back to the last unaffected page edit look back through the article's history for the last uncorrupted edit, click on the revision within the page history (which will take you to the history edit point, then click 'edit' (there will be warning at the top of the page warning you you're editing an out of date revision, put in the edit summary 'reverting vandalism to last unaffected edit' (or something to that affect and click save page. This will revert the page back to the previous unaffected edit. --Tangerineduel 13:34, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Ah thanks. Assassin of death 10:57, 29 May 2009 (UTC)Assassin of death 12:17, 27 May 2009 (UTC) Assassin of death

I saw the trailer and im definately sure they will return =D Sclera1 11:24, January 3, 2010 (UTC)

Year of choice?
I removed a statement that said the Doctor stated each Angel had a year of choice to which to send their victims. I have literally watched Blink a dozen times and there is no such line of dialogue? Where does it come from? I've removed it for now until someone can provide a source (maybe he mentions it in a novel or audio, in which case we can put it back). 23skidoo 20:40, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

I imagine that's the case. It would certainly make the angels more interesting. Also, what would happen if you set up a recording system and a Weeping Angel entered its range, do you think? 79.65.78.200 14:01, April 14, 2010 (UTC)

I saw a clip (In Doctor Who: The Ultimate Guide I believe) that showed a video camera on a Weeping Angel, that cut out for a second to just fuzz, cut back to the Angel which had moved closer and was no longer covering its eyes, cut to fuzz, and back to the Angel which was even closer and reaching for the camera. I assume it was doing to the camera what one had done to a light-bulb. Whether someone was on the other side of the camera, or even in a security room somewhere watching it, I don't know, but it's quite possible that a video camera would have the ability to freeze an Angel, at least as long as someone's observing on the other end.MrCatharsis 20:43, April 22, 2010 (UTC)

Time Lords?
When I was watching The End of Time, it seemed like the two Time Lords punished by the President had the demeanor similar to Weeping Angels.

I further point you in The End of Time (Part II) to roughly 36:46 minutes in, "Only two stand against, and will stand as monument to their shame. The weeping angels of old.", The President

New_ As you can see they are emulating the Weeping Angels they arent actually angels. - DontEatRawHagis

continuity error
in blink if angels see eachother they turn to stone but in the newer episodes that doesn't happen .the weakness dissapears

well 1, its good to sign your name, and to answer that, idk what it is :/. Ive also got a theory that in Blink, when the angels see each other, they turn to stone, so they cant see anything anymore, thereby unlocking it and being able to move but they see each other then stone again....probably just my observation or theory :/Ooiue 10:17, May 9, 2010 (UTC)

Bok
The weeping angels seem similar to Bok. Liquid Ink10:20, May 9, 2010 (UTC)

Mysterious Time Lady
You know in The End of Time, the Time Lady that was communicating to Wilf and then was beside Rassilon with her hand over her face, could that point towards the fact that Time Lord/Lady Genetic structure is similar to the Weeping Angel's (except the whole turning into stone), because in a sense she was projecting her image as an angel might. Could it be that on Gallifrey the utmost punishment is to become a Lonely Assassin? Bioleader 11:17, May 9, 2010 (UTC)

Revival Of The Angels
When the cracks were sealed in The Big Bang, everything they absorbed was restored. Does that mean that the Weeping Angels have returned to Alfava Metraxis? --Bowser the Second 03:33, June 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * By the logic of the whole thing I'd probably have to go with yes, yes they should have. But as it's Tv and it would be too inconvenient, I doubt they will have. Lyco 04:58, July 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * You're forgetting one thing...the timey wimey bits.... Dusty.crockett 04:11, August 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * If the cracks never happened, then there would be no reason for The Angel on the ship to crash, so logicaly the Crash of The Byzantium never happened, and there's still a Weeping Angel in the vault of that ship. But thats just my theory. NerdismFTW 10:46, July 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * If the cracks never happened, then there would be no reason for The Angel on the ship to crash, so logicaly the Crash of The Byzantium never happened, and there's still a Weeping Angel in the vault of that ship. But thats just my theory. NerdismFTW 10:46, July 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * If the cracks never happened, then there would be no reason for The Angel on the ship to crash, so logicaly the Crash of The Byzantium never happened, and there's still a Weeping Angel in the vault of that ship. But thats just my theory. NerdismFTW 10:46, July 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * If the cracks never happened, then there would be no reason for The Angel on the ship to crash, so logicaly the Crash of The Byzantium never happened, and there's still a Weeping Angel in the vault of that ship. But thats just my theory. NerdismFTW 10:46, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

Confused
It confused me quite a bit that it was a big part of the Weeping Angels' story that they displace people through time in order to feed on that person's potential life energy, as stated by the Doctor in Blink (and the article). However, when the angels reapered in The Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone they just killed people. Yet early on in The Time of Angels when the first two clerics encounter the angel, you get a shot when the "angel cleric" is talking on the radio of the caves and you can clearly see the legs of a cleric who is lying dead on the ground and then later in Flesh and Stone when Father Octavian is trapped by the Angel you can hear it move it's arm as if to crush his neck when the Doctor moves on. So my confusion stems from the Angel's sudden change of tactics, why do they suddenly only kill? What do they achieve by this (other than "fun" as Angel Bob would put it)? There are very few, if any, mentions of transporting people through time in the S5 episode's yet many deaths and quotes like "The Angels can only kill you" etc. Anyone have any ideas? =/ Lyco 04:53, July 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * Because they're trained professionals from a spacefaring civilization. If they were trapped in the past, they could still probably contact someone and then be able to plan out an attack on the Angels, especially if these Angels were the decayed ones in the past. The soldiers were too dangerous to keep alive, even in the past. In any case, the Angels were feeding on the energy from the ship and probably weren't hungry. -<Azes13 05:02, July 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Problem
 * If any image of an angel becomes itself an angel,how come,in Blink, Sally Sparrow give the Doctor a photo of a weeping angel and nothing happens?78.151.86.45 11:00, August 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * I believe this may have been further evolution by the angels as was the looking in the eye thing, because that guy looked an angel in the eye.. nothing happened. 74.195.211.202 03:38, May 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * Problem
 * If any image of an angel becomes itself an angel,how come,in Blink, Sally Sparrow give the Doctor a photo of a weeping angel and nothing happens?78.151.86.45 11:00, August 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * I believe this may have been further evolution by the angels as was the looking in the eye thing, because that guy looked an angel in the eye.. nothing happened. 74.195.211.202 03:38, May 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * I believe this may have been further evolution by the angels as was the looking in the eye thing, because that guy looked an angel in the eye.. nothing happened. 74.195.211.202 03:38, May 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * I believe this may have been further evolution by the angels as was the looking in the eye thing, because that guy looked an angel in the eye.. nothing happened. 74.195.211.202 03:38, May 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * I noticed what 78.151.86.45 is saying too, and I'd have to agree with 74.195.211.202; the most likely explanation for me is that the Angels didn't evolve the image and looking-in-the-eye things until some time between the 21st and 51st centuries. TroopDude talk to me 22:14, June 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * The angels in Blink were scavengers that were very hungry, they would have lacked the energy to do most of the things shown in series 5. The angel that transmitted itself through the image was fell fed and full of energy, so it pulled this trick off easily.

Angels Defeated Themselves
The article says the Doctor disabled the Byzantium's gravity, but I seem to recall, the ship lost its gravity when the angels had drained its power to the point it was no longer supported. You have to appreciate the irony. unrelated aside--one of my favorite Doctor quotes: "A hay-like needle of death in a haystack of..." ] Dusty.crockett 04:26, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

Alternate Angel Theory
When the Angels fell into the Time Crack on the Byzantium, the crack was then sealed. When the Doctor flew the Pandorica into the exploding TARDIS, the cracks that were still open expelled whatever they absorbed and were sealed. Because the Byzantium crack was sealed prior to this event, could that mean that the Weeping Angels are still trapped inside of it. Bowser the Second 05:55, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Talk pages are not for theories. They are for discussing changes to the article. Theories belong in forums. The Thirteenth Doctor 08:15, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Pardon me, but...
Why don't they just shoot them? They're deadly, but they're also stated to be made of stone. Sally didn't have a choice as she was unarmed and most people with guns don't know what they are, but at least in The Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone, we had soldiers armed with machine guns. I think we all know what happens to a statue when fired on with a modern or futuristic machine gun. They could have mowed them down or at least taken them out one by one while they were frozen... CorbeauKarasu 16:09, January 1, 2011 (UTC)

Actually, that would not have worked since as stated by the Tenth Doctor in the episode "Blink" when the Weeping Angels are frozen they are quantam locked, and in the ultimate defence. So, weapons of any sort have no affect on Weeping Angels while they are frozen. However, weapons do work when the Angels are not quantum locked (I.E. when the lights were out in the Byzantium) Stygmault 22:53, June 20, 2011 (UTC)

Just to mention, not a big deal.
I just wanted to mention I added a section (I don't mind it was taken off, I respect the reason)

Comparing the Weeping Angels to the enemy from the Super Mario Bros Videogame series "Big Boo" in which they both only chase when the victim's not looking at them, covering their eyes and freeze when seen.

It was taken off saying "Unless the producers prove the connection I shouldn't put it up"

I respect that reason except the fact that I never said the connection was intentional by the producers. It was just a coincidence and I was only mentioning the similarities as a point of interest not implying Doctor Who was inspired or anything.

I just wanted to mention that. I am not going to defend my edit to the death.

And I am not complaining that it was taken off, I was just explaining my reason as to why I mentioned the thing in the first place.

Moogleknight24 17:25, June 13, 2011 (UTC)Moogleknight 24

Blink Error
At the end of the episode Blink she has a photo of the angels, which she gives to the doctor. But if the image on an angel will become an angel wouldn't that create another angel in the photo, which the doctor has at that moment in time? And angels were seen moving when they were quantum locked in the time of the angels episode, which means wouldn't they be able to stop looking at each other if they wanted to?

-Leviwulf

Possible future plot line. We'll just have to wait and see. NerdismFTW 10:54, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

I've been wondering this exact thing myself for a while now. Apart from describing the Angels of Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone to be a "reboot" or re-imagining of the species by a new director, my best guess is that the "Blink" angels, in their weakened state, didn't have all of their abilities, such as the ability to project themselves into a new Angel through their image. Along the same vein is the decision to reconstruct the fourth wall for season 5 (in "Blink" there are several points where no character is observing an Angel but it can't move because the audience is looking at it, whereas in Flesh and Stone we clearly see an Angel in motion). All in all, I'm rather saddened to see such an iconic monster from the new series become riddled with so many plot holes and discontinuities.

And yes, I am aware that this probably doesn't belong on the Talk page for Weeping Angel; however, I'm too lazy right now to go digging around the forums to find somewhere to post it. So sue me :P KalebPSpector 08:08, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

It's not a plot hole; The angels in Blink were too weak to be using most of the tricks seen in series 5. The picture thing was used by a fully fed and healthy angel. Also, they can activate the quantum lock (stone) at will or when they believe they're being observed (like if you yell CATCH to someone, they may instinctivly go to catch something regardless of seeing something being thrown. They think someone sees them, and instinctivly react). However, they can't switch out of the quantum lock at will, only when they are unobserved. The reason they could move while in stone form that one time was because it was borderline; they felt they were being watch, but were realising she might be unable to see. Notice they moved very slowly; a fully un-quantum locked angel would move much faster.

An image of an angel is itself an angel: Does this mean it becomes a new angel (in the event of weeping angel extinction, you could make more by drawing them), or the weeping angels can simply project themselves through the image?90.214.250.90 21:07, December 5, 2011 (UTC)Dalekcaan1963

The Ultimate Punishment

In "The End of Time" the president says that only two stood against his decision about the link and he marks them of their shame and calls them "The Weeping Angels of Old". This then shows two time lords covering their eyes. Maybe the ultimate punishment for a time lord was to under go a series of transformations and stuff and eventually become a weeping angel. Stone when you look at it, a time lord when you don't. Also one of the shamed time lords reveals her face and is the person that is frequently seen throughout The End of Time. Also meaning she can project herself into someone's mind or just moves around really fast, two things the angels can do. She can also make herself appear on TV. But maybe she wasn't fully quantum-locked yet. I just think it would be cool if the first weeping angels were time lords sentenced to be lonely assassins.

Big F***ING PROBLEM
I have noticed several problems with The Angels Take Manhattan i shall list bellow.

1 The Statue of Liberty is one of New York's biggest icons therefore someone is always looking at it. So how did it get to Winter Quay in the first place?

2 The Statue of Liberty is 301 ft tall, so how did it suddenly shrink to 70 - 90 ft?

3 If the Statue of Liberty walked across New York where is the path of Destruction and Damage?

4 Shouldn't someone have noticed that the Statue of Liberty has suddenly moved?

5 The Doctor and River while trying to escape them in Winter Quay look into several angels eyes. They seemed perfectly fine afterwards. Amy looked int one Angels eyes and started dying.

6 If the image of an Angel becomes itself an Angel how come every picture of the Statue of liberty hasn't come to life?

7 When Amy and Rory where about to and when they jumped T_T no one was looking at the Statue of Liberty. Why didn't it attack?

Ergo everything about the Statue of Liberty being a Weeping Angel is wrong.

Darth Rishda ☎  22:28, October 29, 2012 (UTC)