Talk:Series 4 (Torchwood)

Broadcast date
No offence to "Den of Geek", or to John Barrowman for that matter, but we cannot possibly suggest any broadcast dates for Series 4 at this time. They don't even have a production schedule yet. 23skidoo 00:48, December 2, 2009 (UTC)

Cartmel?
http://www.janetfillingham.com/writersdirect/documents/AndrewCartmelcv_001.pdf

Says Andrew Cartmel is writing "The Jinx" for series 4. Should it go in the rumours folder, or the official writers folder? N3onkn1ght 04:13, January 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Better not either. Just because a script has been submitted or commissioned doesn't mean it'll get made. See Stephen Fry and Moris Farhi. 23skidoo 03:54, February 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, it's definiteluy not going to be calle dthe Jinx, according to the list. So probably not. 86.142.60.166 18:48, May 12, 2011 (UTC)

Article premature?
I'm starting to wonder if the article is premature. Barrowman (per ) appears to be recanting whether there will be a Series 4. If he's doing Desperate Housewives he might not be available, and there's also the question of an American series. I'm not quite read to toss a proposed deletion tag on this, because there is some information to be had (i.e. the Cartmel item above), but there is a lot of unsourced speculation here, too. We should seek consensus but I would be happy to perhaps condense this all down into a subsection of the main Torchwood article until the BBC actually announces whether it's making it. We know Sarah Jane is going into production, but there's been little said for certain about Torchwood. 23skidoo 03:53, February 7, 2010 (UTC)

I hope it does!
I'm a massive fan of Torchwood so I hope it comes. Trikster87, 12:47, 6th April 2010 (UTC)

US version?
Please, please, please never let this happen. I know what happened to the superbly brilliant Life on Mars when it got 'ported' to the US, and the result is just... horrible. US versions of British shows almost always suffer like that... -- Sorceror Nobody 18:58, May 15, 2010 (UTC)

Confirmed
I've added that the BBC has confirmed this series, and that it isn't a US remake but instead will be a new series that will feature the original team in the US and elsewhere. --Golden Monkey 17:53, June 7, 2010 (UTC)

Yes!
I'm pleased to hear Torchwood's returning for a ten-part series. Trikster87

Matt Smith
I have heard rumors that Matt Smith as The Doctor may appear in the new series of Torchwood, is there anything confirming that?

Television Critics Association
Many announcements from Starz panel:

via http://twitter.com/HitFixDaniel

Rhys and the baby will be featured.

Episode titles include "Badlands" "Gates of Heaven" "The Thin Red Line" and "The New World." (The New World seems like an overarching title a la "Children of Earth")

Rex is as of yet uncast.

via http://twitter.com/TVTango

Rex will be a CIA agent

Premiere on Starz will be Summer 2011

via http://twitter.com/AfterElton

John Hart will not appear

Who will die next?
Not to sound cynical but we all know its going to happen (unless RTD has an original dark idea) that one or more charecters will be killed off. So who do you think will be next? Bare in mind you can not include Jack for obvious reasons and we all know Gwen is RTD's favourite so she wont go. Me personally I believe Andy will be the next to die has he is almost a memeber of the team. Has for the new charecters I would give them at best a season, and at worst they will be all if not dead by the end. Im not trying to dis RTD but lets face it the man has a habbit of leaving dea bodies through this show. Might as well rought for the bad guys in this season:>

Please note, talk pages are for discussion of changes to the articles, not for speculation discussion of plot holes etc. That belongs in forums. Do not post here to ask this kind of thing again. The Thirteenth Doctor 09:22, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

Jane Espenson
Jane has confirmed in discussion with me on twitter she is writing episode seven. She also spoke about Russell T Davies and said "his notes are making my scripts tougher, sexier, funnier, realer." @janeespenson

(End of unsigned entry)


 * She also twittered that she co-wrote episode 10. Link to Tweet 208.115.227.199 23:55, May 17, 2011 (UTC)

Article needs to be updated
As an unregistered user I can't add this info myself, but the article needs to be updated to indicate the casting of Mekhi Phifer as Rex (per the LA Times' Zap 2 It news page here). 68.146.64.9 15:09, December 14, 2010 (UTC)

Bill Pullman
Bill Pullman has been cast as Oswald Jones, and the article announcing his cast also seems to say he's a series regular now. --Golden Monkey 23:59, December 15, 2010 (UTC)

Name Name
WOw every thing we need to know has come up in the last 24 hours!!! I think we should keep the "new world" Redirect Joshoedit 07:05, January 8, 2011 (UTC)

Funny Twist
Am I the only one who can se the joke with this new development? That the man who has got a llove of killing everyone in his show is now letting everybody live. Either the universe has a twisted sence of humor or RTD is a hipocryt.:- Mad Mad Mackrel

Good point. I didn't notice that. Alpha111 13:43, January 31, 2011 (UTC)

The Jack and Gwen show
So let me get this straight the thing thats gonna bring Jack back to Earth is his "unsated love for Gwen Cooper">.< Well I guess we are gonna pretend the last three seasons didnt happen then? I guess Jack cant keep a promise to a dead man to save his life. If this was how it was going to be why didnt those two hook up to begin with it would have made the angst of the last two years vanish or are the writers hoping to make a Jack Gwen Rhys love triangle? No wonder the Save Ianto people are mega pissed off at the moment. : DynaStar 12

Some state-side filming will take place in or around Los Angeles
So, I don't have edit privileges, so I'd love if someone could add this to the rumors or production section. I took these photos today, 5/2/2011 (2/5/2011 for us in the USA). These were taken in a furniture liquididator's shop that rents props for movies/TV. http://www.flickr.com/photos/27674962@N02/5419083965/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/27674962@N02/5419687082/ So, some filming of a "nurses station" will take place somewhere near LA (no way they ship rented office chairs more than 50 miles just to film a nurses station". Presumably more shooting will take place in LA. Adam Berman 21:35, February 5, 2011 (UTC)

New Books

They have started realising prequel books for the series, you can look at the details on Amazon. They are not being well receved so far. Seams the Ianto fans and the COE haters have gone from angry to apathetic. Seams Gwenwood is not that intresting. : One eyed Poney

Original or Remake
Is this thing going to be a continuation of the series or an American duplicate because the newes is giving me mixed signal. One minit we have got the writers saying the show will have a British feel and then another group saying its American. I am worried because if they can make up their mind this will worse than the Life on Mars remake.

New Poster
This permotional poster is confusing and to be honest just plain sucks. It has nothing to do with the plot in my opinion. I mean if I saw that with no knowledge of the plot I would think it means this season Earth has been turned in to a giant bomb. Seriously the olympics logo make more sense than this. -=-: The Last Angry Fan

How do you know that it has nothing to do with the plot. Since all that has been released is a brief synopsis about nobody dying, for all we know the Earth could be turned into a giant bomb. Its unlikely, but anything's possible.

That may be but I still wish they would give us a little more plot detail and stop teasing us with tidbits. The lack of deffinate information and detail is seriously worrying me about this new season. -=: The Last Angry Fan

Well at least the BBC can make a decent poster. I can now not watch and feel content they got at least one thing right. =: The Last Angry Fan

John Hart is a rumour
James Marsters has revealed that he is keen to reprise his role as Captain John Hart in the new series of Torchwood.

A fourth series of the Doctor Who spinoff is currently in production as part of a deal between BBC Worldwide, BBC Wales and US network Starz.

The actor told io9: "Russell [T. Davies is] over here [in LA] trying to get an American version of it done. If he doesn't call me, I am going to find him."

He added: "I'm into it, just ask Russell."

Marsters also confirmed his return to Smallville for the show's final season. However, he admitted that he has no knowledge of upcoming storylines.

"I assume [Clark is] going to kick my butt in the end," he joked. "He'll melt me or blow me up into the sun, or something!"

He explained that he is equally in the dark with regards to the future of his character Barnabus Greeley on Syfy drama Caprica.

"I have no idea. They tell me just as much as anyone has ever told me on television, which is nothing!" he quipped.


 * It a rumour. He wants to return, so we add it to the Series page. If he is return, we add it to the cast list. It's a rumour that is circulating about the Series, so we add it to the Series page. Mini-mitch\talk 19:14, April 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * He says he wants to return to the series. Nobody is saying that he will be returning. If someone said that he said he was returning, then that would be a rumor. However, that is not what is here. He is saying that he wants to return. He is not saying that he will return. It is not a rumor. Period. So I remove it from the Series page. -- Bold  Clone  19:16, April 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * The paragraph should be either/both put into the notes section on the series page and the behind the scenes section of the John Hart page. --Revan\Talk 19:18, April 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * If he was returning is would be fact and added to the cast list; hence not a rumour. He wants to return, so it's a rumour. It's no different to the Martha Jones, Ianto and Alonzo Frame rumours. Mini-mitch\talk 19:19, April 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah your right there in fact, the rumour section is where it should go if it were to be included on the series article. I still believe we should stick it in the behind the scenes section of John Hart though. --Revan\Talk 19:22, April 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree with Revan; the disputed section is not a rumor, but a note. The section should be renamed as either "rumors/notes", or be split into a "rumors" section and a "notes" ssection. If he said he was returning, then it would be considered a rumor until the episode featuring him aired, right? That or it would be a rumor until the BBC officially released the info. Until the BBC officially releases the info, any claim that he is returning is to be treated merely as a rumor. However, that is not what we have here. What we have here is a "Gee, I wanna come back." That is simply an actor expressing his desire to return. If Tennant said "Gee, I wanna come back for a future series", would you automatically place him in the rumors list for Series 6 or claim that he might be returning for Series 7? No, of course not. You would know better than to do that. Just because he says he wants to return is just that: he says he wants to return. Nothing more. I cannot see how you are making the leap from "Gee, I wanna come back" to "Supposedly he is coming back." Care to explain a little bit more, because I am just not getting your argument. -- Bold  Clone  19:30, April 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * So you think a rumour is confirmed fact? Cause it's not. What you want is the BBC to confirm he is returning. If they did confirm his return, it would no longer be a rumour. He wants to be invloved in he new series, which makes it a rumour about the new series. Why don't we remove all the rumour of all the series page because the source says might or maybe or thinks. Would do it? NO. because that is what a rumour is. A maybe, a might a think, all with a sited source. Which this has. This has no difference to any other rumour on this site. Mini-mitch\talk 19:39, April 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * Hardly. A rumor is an unconfirmed fact. You apparantly missed that...This isn't even that; its a confirmed wish. He wants to be invloved in the new series, which makes it an irrelevant statement about the new series until someone says that he is actually returning. According to wiktionary, a rumor is "A statement or claim of questionable accuracy, from no known reliable source, usually spread by word of mouth." This is not that. This is a confirmed statement, with no question of its accuracy, coming from a reliable source. According to this, the "rumor" under discussion is actually a fact, not a rumor. Hmm. What I want is someone to say "hey, maybe he's coming back." THAT would make it a rumor. -- Bold  Clone  20:11, April 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * Source that he wants a return.one, two, three and four. The third calls it's a rumour. I'm happy to re add it with the source that says "rumour",Mini-mitch\talk 20:17, April 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * ...No. The third says that there is a rumor of Torchwood moving to the US, and that the return of James Masters is a suggested idea. I don't know if I would call that an unsubstantiated fact. It strikes me as more of a possibility, rather than a probability. I personally think we should leave the statement off the page, but place it on John Hart's BTS section. -- Bold  Clone  20:25, April 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * What about a new section called casting note and put, "James Masters has said he would like to return as John Hart" or something along those lines? That way it's on the Series page but not in the rumour section. Mini-mitch\talk 20:27, April 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * "Casting notes" works well with me. Maybe we could even just place all casting-related rumors there too. -- Bold  Clone  20:30, April 18, 2011 (UTC)

Broadcast date
I noticed that the page states that the broadcast date is the 8th of july on starz and the bbc. Th british airdate on the bbc is now the 14th of july at 9pm, just thought it should be changed.

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87.232.1.50 15:45, June 28, 2011 (UTC) 28/06/2011 @ 16:45

Andrew Cartmel
This bit of trivia has been on the page since shortly after children of earth, long before Miracle Day or The New Word were announced, given that 1) All the episode titles have been announced, none of them "The Jinx" and 2) the source has since been deleted, can this bit of "Trivia" be deleted? I've tried to delete it myself, but every time it has been reverted. 2.100.193.204 17:12, June 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * Andrew Cartmel has stated that he will be writing an episode for series 4, calling it "The Jinx" and for it to be broadcast on BBC One. This is yet to be confirmed.
 * I moved it to the Rumours section, where it (and the Bryan Fuller item) are more appropriate, since the writers for Series 4 have now been confirmed. 68.146.71.145 23:30, July 19, 2011 (UTC)

New characters?
I was wondering when the pages and articles will be made for the new characters of series 4? like Rex and Ester.Hordy4040 11:04, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Episode Four Credits
Can somebody with edit privileges add the following info for episode four, taken directly from the episode itself: