User talk:TimeTraveller34

'''Welcome to the TimeTraveller34 Thanks for your edits at Aneth! We hope you'll keep on editing with us. This is a great time to have joined us, because now you can play the Game of Rassilon with us and win cool stuff! Well, okay, badges. That have no monetary value. And that largely only you can see. But still: they're cool! We've got a couple of important quirks for a Wikia wiki, so let's get them out of the way first. British English, please We generally use British English round these parts, so if you're American, please be sure you set your spell checker to BrEng, and take a gander at our spelling cheat card. Spoilers aren't cool We have a strict definition of "spoiler" that you may find a bit unusual. Basically, a spoiler, to us, is anything that comes from a story which has not been released yet. So, even if you've got some info from a BBC press release or official trailer, it basically can't be referenced here. In other words, you gotta wait until the episode has finished its premiere broadcast to start editing about its contents. Please check the spoiler policy for more details. Other useful stuff Aside from those two things, we also have some pages that you should probably read when you get a chance, like:
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Suggestions
I've been looking over your edits and I have some suggestions: -<Azes13 talk to me 16:23, November 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Remember that pages should be in-universe. Instead of "Indigo 3 is the location of the Blue Desert in the audio drama The Skull of Sobek.", it would be "Indigo 3 is the location of the Blue Desert." and then at the end put (BFA: The Skull of Sobek). See here for more information on citing.
 * Remember that pages should be in the past-tense. Instead of "Indigo 3 is the location of the Blue Desert." it would be "Indigo 3 was the location of the Blue Desert."
 * You don't have to write out the whole links. The Greatest Show in the Galaxy works just as well as The Greatest Show in the Galaxy and doesn't look as messy.
 * Try to add suitable categories to a page.

Recent creations
Hi :) Thanks for your edits.  I regret I've had to delete many of them today.  To prevent this, I'll echo some of what Azes has said to you above. Articles must:
 * not be based solely upon something from a reference book. (There must be a story which mentions the subject for you to create a page about it.)
 * obey the following basic policies: T:LEADS, T:BOLD TEXT, T:CITE, T:ITAL, T:SOURCES, T:WIKIFY, T:CANON. (Articles must obey the entirety of the manual of style, but these are sections of the MOS I notice you've repeatedly offended.)
 * be more than just "X was a planet". That's not nearly enough info with which to start an article.

Please review our MOS before making further edits. If you need help, please ask me or any other admin. Thanks again for your efforts! 14:08: Wed 09 Nov 2011

1 hour block
You need to take a break. You don't seem to be heeding either Azes13's or my instructions on your talk page, so I need to block you for one hour to give you a chance to read the tardis:manual of style. The pages which you have been adding recently have all been summarily deleted, or are in the process of being deleted. Please understand our policies before adding any more pages to this database. You may add comments to this page for the duration of your block. 14:32: Wed 09 Nov 2011

Just to make clear why I've blocked you and am now deleting a lot of your work, let's take a look at a sample article you've created:
 * Limus 4 was a planet. (DW: The Leisure Hive)

You use this style over and over again, and it's really not good enough. The biggest problem is that it's just not enough information. There must be something more than its status as a planet. Give us some kind of context for it, even if its as simple as
 * Limus 4 was a planet that mentioned in passing. (citation)

Obviously, we'd want every detail that the narrative provides. But we've got to have even a little bit more than just the fact that it's a planet. Also, story titles must be italicised, per T:ITAL, and all articles must have a category. 14:43: Wed 09 Nov 2011

More tips
Okay, so I've now looked at every page you've created and am in the process of deleting the lot. I hate to do this to you as you've just started editing with us, but you've fundamentally misunderstood some of our foundational principles.

The biggest thing for you to understand is that we aren't Wikipedia. This has a few solid implications.

First, this means that you can't just take information from Wikipedia and put it here, except in certain, well-defined situations. Info from wikipedia is simply not allowed at all on what we call "in-universe" pages, like the ones you were trying to create. If your page is about an element within the DWU itself — a character, a weapon, a planet, a theoretical construct, whatever — then Wikipedia should never be used as your source. (Wikipedia is allowed for out-of-universe articles, like those on cast members, but it's heavily discouraged, and you must put a note up indicating that you're basing the article on Wikipedia text.)

Second, the fact that we're not Wikipedia means that we have an entirely different perspective when writing articles. We treat the DWU as "true", but something we're observing from the outside of the universe, from a point when the whole universe no longer exists. This then forces every in-universe article to be written in the past tense. Since Wikipedia articles are written in the present tense, as if the DWU is fictional, you can't just import the text directly. Please see T:POV and T:TENSES for more info on this subject.

Citation is also done very differently, as you can read at T:CITE. Basically, though, Wikipedia would allow and encourage language like:
 * As seen in the Doctor Who televised story, The Parting of the Ways, the Ninth Doctor regenerates to save Rose Tyler's life.

We would write it entirely differently:
 * The Ninth Doctor regenerated to save Rose's life. (DW: The Parting of the Ways)

I've noticed, too, that where you've attempted to use the appropriate prefix — DW being an example of a prefix — that you've sometimes got it wrong. This is completely understandable as you've just started editing with us. You'll want to review T:LOP for a current list of all prefixes.

I also saw that you created an awful lot of redlinks for story names. There are very few stories for which we don't have a page. You should generally assume that if you get a redlink while trying to link to a story name that you've done something wrong. The most likely thing you've done wrong is that you've made a simple spelling error, or that you've got the disambiguation term wrong. In any case, it should be fairly easy for you to find the correct name, because the software autosuggests links for you. Just type open brackets —  — and the first few letters of an article name, and you should see a column pop up with a list of possibilities. Try it now if you haven't.  Type: [[The A just to see how many suggestions you get.  You can use your up and down arrow keys, or your mouse, to navigate through and select from the list. Please don't take today's mass deletion of your work personally.  We just need to ensure that the information added to this database comes from the stories themselves and not from Wikipedia, which may be inaccurate.  For instance, if you were to actually watch [[The Greatest Show in the Galaxy and confirm that these various planets whose pages you created are indeed mentioned in that serial, then you may certainly recreate the pages (so long as you gave us a bit more about the context in which they're mentioned).

Please keep editing with us, and if you need any help, please do contact either myself or one of the other admins. 17:12: Wed 09 Nov 2011

Please stop
I see you have just picked up in the alphabet exactly where you left off yesterday. We're in the Ss now, apparently. You must stop this editing behavior. Again, Wikipedia is not a valid source. For example, you say that your source for Splendurosa is a DWS, but it cant be because there are no Storybooks which feature the Eleventh Doctor. (Oh, I see now you've just changed it to the Tenth Doctor and Donna. Whatever. Don't trust it at all, because it's clear you don't have that story in front of you.  If you did, you wouldn't have made that mistake.)  And you're again creating articles with the simple language:
 *  was a planet. (source)

This isn't enough, and I've specifically said so, above.

You also are still not obeying T:ITAL or T:BOLD TEXT, and you aren't putting any spaces between the final period of your sentences and your sources. Moreover, you linked to a disambiguation page, rather than the page for Donna Noble. (You should assume that common first names are disambiguation pages. Martha doesn't link to Martha Jones, Rose doesn't go to Rose Tyler, and so on.)

Here's how your current sentence at Splendurosa should be properly typed: Splendurosa was home to a floating coral city, visited by the Tenth Doctor and Donna. (DWS: Grand Theft Planet!)

Anyway, I've got to rip up your work again for the second day running because you simply haven't heeded most of the above advice. I do notice a couple of places where you've improved by giving more info, but I honestly think this is just the wikipedia page providing you with more stuff. That said, you are consistently adding categories in today's work, so that's definitely an improvement.

I can't delete your work immediately, though, so I'm again going to block you, this time for a few more hours than before. It's really important that you stop editing in this way. Again, Wikipedia and/or reference works are not a valid sources.

I'd strongly advise you to just watch, listen or read a DW story, and find some fact that we don't yet have. Then, write the article from scratch. 15:44: Thu 10 Nov 2011

nerva
Ok, but for the link to work, the background needs to say "Nerva Beacon". I'll recheck and fix it. Boblipton talk to me 11:42, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Do not blank comments from your user page
Please do not simply delete messages from your user page, as this is a violation of T:UVAN. You may archive the page, but you cannot simply delete the comments. Blanking comments from this or any other talk page is a serious offence and can directly lead to you being blocked from further editing. 20:05: Tue 15 Nov 2011

Present tense and timeline pages
I again draw your attention to T:TENSES. Your recent articles about years have been in the present tense, which is not allowed on in-universe pages. It is extremely important that you follow this rule because we're trying to establish a consistent editorial style across articles. Using past tense on article pages is one of the foundational rules of the wiki, dating back to our first few months of existence.

I am also concerned about the quality of your information. You gave The Five Doctors as the source for a specific year from which Susan was "plucked". The episode gives no such date. Thus, there was no basis for keeping the article.

Likewise, you've created two year pages for the events of The Ark. However, dialogue in that serial clearly establishes that the Doctor is approximating. Timeline pages must be based upon a solid reference. Not "about this year" or "around this year" or "possibly this year". But, actually, directly, specifically this year. These articles, too, will be deleted.

Also I notice that you've started using a format for year pages which has been deprecated. Please consider timeline pages like any other in-universe page. They must have a lead. And they shouldn't have completely unnecessary sections.

If you've only go a few lines of information, please consider 1507 as a model.

Finally, please note that you should not be using any other website or refrence books in the compilation of timeline pages. Timeline websites are notoriously filled with speculation, some of which isn't particularly obvious at first glance. The only source you should be using for timeline pages are the stories themselves. 20:06: Tue 15 Nov 2011

2063
Sorry about the late reply, I went offline not long before you message was sent to me. I think the problem was with wikia as there is no protection over the creation of the page. If the problem still persists, send me the information that you would like to create the page with and we can see if my persmissions allow me to access the page. --Revan\Talk 15:29, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

Years
I gotta ask the same question here that I asked about your planets editing. What is your source for all these new years pages that you've been creating? You're creating these pages at way too fast a rate to suggest that you're actually watching the serials in question, and it seems unlikely to me that we'd have missed this many dates on so many classic serials.

So are you looking at a list? If so what is it?

As I've said before, the only valid source for information about a year is a story itself. I highly doubt that Genesis of the Daleks, just to give one example of your recent work, identifies its year as 300 AD.  18:56: Wed 16 Nov 2011
 * No, you can't use
 * Any reference book
 * Any fan-run webiste
 * Wikipedia
 * as the sole source of an in-universe article. See, when you put down (DW: The Five Doctors) — for instance — what you're saying is that the bit of information before the citation occurs within The Five Doctors.


 * Most of your work so far — on the planet, galaxy and now years pages alike — has included (or been comprised entirely of) statements with "false" citations. Let's take a look at one:
 * In 300, The Time Lords sent the Fourth Doctor to Skaro to prevent or set back the development of the Daleks. (DW: Genesis of the Daleks)
 * What this sentence says to our readers is that, within the body of the serial known as Genesis of the Daleks, the year 300 is specifically mentioned. The problem is that it's not. Nowhere does the Earth year 300 AD get positively referenced in that story.  So you've created a page full of misinformation.


 * I implore you to please make edits that are only based upon information that you personally have verified as existing within a story. You can use reference books to point you in the direction of certain stories, of course.  But at the end of the day you have to check it out.


 * When you say that the source of a statement is a certain story, the source must actually be that story. Otherwise you're introducing false information, which is obviously directly contrary to the goals of this website.


 * Believe me when I tell you that DW reference books are often wrong. Even when they're not directly wrong, they include material that is original to that reference work, and thus has no basis in any narrative.  There is no significant quality control on them.  It's not a situation like Star Wars where there are people paid to try to make the various things published with a Star Wars logo fit together.  Historically the BBC have cared about DW reference books largely only to the extent that they got paid for the use of their copyright. Because DW has no Leland Chee, no single person, committe or official database bound to "make it all make sense", reference books often contradict each other and the stories they purport to reference.


 * Thus, I say again, please stop editing by simply taking a reference work and copying its contents.


 * 23:47: Wed 16 Nov 2011