Board Thread:The Panopticon/@comment-1783865-20200302103744/@comment-6032121-20200330232003

@Xx-connor-xX:

Glad you agree with me on the link to More…. I'm not wholly against the idea of linking from a header, but I don't think it would do much good to split the "Incarnations of the Doctor" category itself like you're proposing, so it doesn't seem very practical.

Per T:NPOV, the fact that something is heavily contradicted by the New Series has precisely no relevance whatsoever. The Timeless Child story is no truer or falser than Lungbarrow or indeed The Equations of Dr Who. And in the same spirit, the War in Heaven didn't happen any more or less than the Last Great Time War, and the 'Relic' Doctor is every bit as "real" as the War Doctor.

I don't think the order in which the faces of the Doctors appear in the "busting the Matrix" sequence is anything definitive: the Thirteenth Doctor has yet to regain her memories of being the Timeless Child, or indeed of being Ruth, so how would she know what order they came in? At best, the order represents her current best guess. At worst, it's just the order in which they happened to spring to her mind in that very chaotic moment. I mean, The Timeless Children very pointedly refuses to confirm whether Ruth really came before Hartnell. The Doctor asks the Matrix projection, and the Matrix projection can't tell her one way or another.

It still could very well be that the Ruth Doctor is Season 6B, and while the implication is there, neither is there anything to tell us definitively that the Morbius Doctors are faces of the Timeless Child as opposed to faces of the Other or just prior regenerations of Hartnell whose existence the Doctor hadn't ever forgotten.