User talk:Aliyoda

Stories without Aliens
Well for starters your capitalisation is wrong, but that's a minor issue. This category would have well over a hundred members, so it would be best if you started a discussion in which you promoted your idea. I mean, it's not even clear what falls into your definition of "aliens". Alien to the Doctor? Alien to the companion/s? You've got to account for these variables. I personally can't see the merit in such a category,, but if your heart is set on it, please open a forum post on the matter at Forum:Panopticon. Thanks-- 08:42, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

River Song source
The source was removed because we don't allow out of universe sources to be added to an in-universe article. All sources on that article must come from an in-universe source such as a book, comic or television story. --Revan\Talk 12:18, September 5, 2011 (UTC)

This has already been explained to you in the post above. If there isn't an in-universe source, the information shouldn't be there. Also, please stop repeatedly messaging me. I will get around to answering you in due course. Thanks-- 07:01, September 6, 2011 (UTC)

Incarnations of the Doctor category
They would have been revert because the category "Incarnations of the Doctor" is a sub category of the category "X Doctor."

In other words, "Incarnations of the Doctor" is a sub category in the category "First Doctor, Second Doctor, Third Doctor etc". If you go onto the page, for example, the Seventh Doctor, you will see the category "Seventh Doctor". This category has be categorised under "Incarnations of the Doctor".

Example: Seventh Doctor > Category:Seventh Doctor > Category:Incarnations of the Doctor

You don't need to add a category to a page if one of the categories already contains the category you want to add as it's sub category. The only exception to this would be for achievements. MM/ Want to talk? 11:00, September 7, 2011 (UTC)

Rollback
I used rollback, a special admin tool than reverts a number of edits. However, it does not allow for a reason to be given, but seeing as anyone viewing the history could see the information you added was speculation, they would think nothing of it.-- 17:58, September 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * Furthermore, your supposed tidying up isn't making it tidier. In fact, your removing content and adding extra space, which makes things messier. I'm not sure why you are doing this, but would you please make it clear either on my talk page or at Talk:The Master (UNIT years) why this is justified. Thanks-- 18:01, September 8, 2011 (UTC)

Firstly, the purpose of the rollback tool is to counter repeated vandalism by reverting multiple edits at once. Having checked the history, I could see your edits were largely unhelpful (sorry, I mean this in the nicest way - honest) and so I "rolled them back" as it were.

Secondly, there is no evidence that he is the twelfth Master. The Deadly Assassin and Legacy of the Daleks make it very clear that he is the Delgado Master is a degenerate form.-- 18:10, September 8, 2011 (UTC)

Torchwood categories
Hey, they are categorised like this to ensure that the achievements work correctly. You are only credited for editing a page in that category, not its subcategory. So, while the Torchwood achievement track is enabled, they should still be categorised in that way. If you do notice any other suspicious categories, please notify me of this as it may be the case that there is reason for this. Thanks-- 15:46, September 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * All of those seem fine. Just remember to check you user page, where it lists the achievements you can earn, to ensure your not going to break something by accident. Thanks for sorting out the categories.-- 15:55, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

Categories
Nice work with the categories, how ever they are a few things to keep in mind.


 * 1) Stories can be set in two places in the same country, for example, they can be set in England and in London. Take The End of Time - that set different areas if London, so you naturall removed the "London" category. However, it is set in areas of London that we don't have categories for, in this case it would be the London Wastelands. It's also set in England because that's hwere the Naismith Manor is. All we are told it is in England- that why the "England" category was there. As for Earth, there do fly across a good chuck on the Earth avoiding the missiles,m so thats why it was also in the Earth category.
 * 2) Stories set in the Sol System, in any stories set in our solar system. A massive chuck of The End of Time part 2 takes place here, hence the reason it was categorised this way.

In other words, what you need to remember is that some stories take place in, for example, Category A, and also, in a sub category for category A. in this case, we need to add both categories. I hope this makes sense, and keep up the good work! MM/ Want to talk? 16:37, September 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * "Stories set in Space" would just be the same as "Stories set in the Sol System", "Stories set in Muter's Spiral" etc. There not a lot of point in creating the category because we already have categories that cover that. Good idea though. MM/ Want to talk? 16:45, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

No, as the purpose of achievements in to direct your editors towards areas in need of assistance, including the Doctor, the Master etc. would just result in people repeatedly editing those pages, making it pointless as they're hardly in need of help.-- 18:56, September 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * Just to chime in here, categories are somewhat fluid. Their central job is to put pages which are alike in an easy-to-find containers.  This is pretty obvious.  The difficulty here is the word "alike".  Alike in what way? The category must define a useful relationship.  For instance, it could be argued that all issues of DWM should be put into categories related to the year of their publication.  So, category:1980 DWM issues.  There's some utility there, one imagines.  But there's also a utility in having a big category, where it's allllll the issues together — category:DWM issues.  Such a category is useful for achievements, where you want to generally focus people's attention on editing DWM issues.  It's useful for advanced coding, where you want to do something which affects all issues of DWM, irrespective of year of publication.


 * So in this sort of instance, there's something useful about the broad and the narrow categories.


 * But there is a cost to this. When a bot goes to maintain the DWM pages, it'll have to run through them twice, once in the DWM issues cat, and once through all the "by year" cats.  That slows things down.


 * This is why we generally do try to make things as specific as possible. We wouldn't want category:Doctor Who crew to become the home for every single page of every single crew member.  It is much more useful to have strict categories there.


 * It should also be pointed out that Achievements have given us some temporary category assignments that will be corrected once that achievement track is switched off. A perfect example is category:Earth mammals.  Here, the nature of taxonomy argues for a high level of categorization, rather than having all the pages in the parent category.  However, for the purposes of the game, all the subcats have dumped their contents into the big cat.  This isn't a permanent arrangement.


 * Another thing you might want to consider is that recategorisation is sort of a waste of your time. We have a bot for that sort of thing.  It can do in 30 minutes what it would take you several days to do by hand.  So if you see a category problem that you'd like solved, please leave it with me.  You should be focussing on meaningful, not menial, edits.  If we leave categories to bots and actual articles to humans, the wiki will get built a lot faster. 20:09:17 Fri 09 Sep 2011
 * Hmmm, well, "stories set in London" are not the same thing as "stories set in England", or "stories set in the United Kingdom" so there's a clear rationale for keeping all these categories.  For instance, Night Terrors is set in the United Kingdom, but we don't know for certain that it's England, and we certainly can't say it's London.  So I won't be using the bot to eliminate categories, and I certainly hope you're not suggesting that you'll unilaterally destroy one of those categories.


 * I think what you're saying, if I understand you, is that it would be redundant to put Rose in both "stories set in London" and "stories set in England". And there I agree with you.  But that's not talking about the category structure, just the way that people use categories.


 * Here's a simple little bit of code you can use to detect problematic organisation. You can actually tell the software to give you a report of pages in two categories, and then manually thin the list.

category=stories set in London category=stories set in England columns=3
 * As you can see, there's not much redundancy, Of course, this is because you've already done it. But you still might find this tool helpful in diagnosing whether work needs to be done.


 * Use the little snippet of code on other categories to test whether there's a lot of crossover. Only then might you have discovered a redundancy in the category structure that needs addressing.  When you find situations where 100% of pages of the smaller of the two categories appear on a report testing the relationship between two categories, you'll have found something that needs to be questioned further.

For instance, let's look at a comparison between "DWM issues" and "1984 DWM issues": category=DWM issues category=1984 DWM issues columns=6


 * Here, there's a 100% correlation between the categories, so I'd want to know about it. Of course, in this case I'd tell you that this is an allowed exception, because several users have agreed to having DWM issues handled that way.


 * Because I can use the bot in a semi-automatic way, where I look at every page before clearing one of the cats away, and get the job done much more quickly than fully manual editing could.


 * So, when you see a problem, replicate the following on my talk page. I'll look at your findings and fire up the bot where indicated.

category=category 1 name (don't use the prefix, "category:" category=category 2 columns= 22:51:40 Fri 09 Sep 2011