Talk:List of BBC DVD releases

suggested title change
no article for "BBC DVD releases" or "List of BBC DVD releases" exists as yet so I suggest one of those as the title, which I consider more explanatory than the current title for this article. I did change the title of this article today, then the title got reverted. --Stardizzy2 03:13, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

I don't think a separate article is necessary, any more than we need two articles for BBC Video and BBC Video Releases. Doug86 04:09, 21 November 2008 (UTC)


 * For now I think we don't need a separate 'List of' article. I don't see that there is enough information on BBC DVD (as a whole) to justify moving it. Any information that is around can go at the top of the article as an introduction. --Tangerineduel 13:13, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

2Entertain/Woolworths
As far as I am aware, the BBC purchased Woolworths share of the company after they had gone into administration, making the BBC full owners of 2Entertain. I do not have any evidence however, so have not added anything to the main article page.
 * Geek Mythology 19:55, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I've been looking for something definitive on this for a few weeks now. The best I can come up with is that the sale has not, in fact, gone through.  BBCW offered 100m at first, then cut it radically to 40m in late December, which the Woolie administrators rejected as what it was: a ridiculous insult.  The 2 entertain website still says as of today that Woolies is a part owner, even though they've been trying to sell it since at least May of 2008.  The reason it's taking so long seems to be because the value of the company is highly speculative.  One of the big unknowns is how much 2 entertainment Video's products are worth as distributed on the internet.  Given the insulting 40m bid, and the relative profitability of that li'l section of the former Woolie's empire, the administrators seem keen to wait and see what kind of genuine worth the online sector has.


 * If you ask me, BBCW simply overplayed their hand. They had Woolies on the carpet, and they kicked 'em in the teeth.  If they'd just maintained the 100m bid, or maybe gone slightly lower, the deal would be done.  But to go down to 40m, well, that was a tactical error.  Clearly, their 40% stake is worth more than 40m, if only because the value of the company as a whole is more than 100m.


 * Any actual sale is probably going to break first and most reliably at Business Week's private companies profiles, so keep your eye there. At the end of the day, thoguh, it doesn't matter all THAT much to the daily operations.  BBCW is majority owner now; they don't technically need Wollies' percentage for anything having to do with day-to-day operations of the company.  And BBCW hold the right to buy the Woolies stake ahead of anyone else.  So a bidding war can't really happen.  If another company swoops in and offers 200m, BBCW still have the right to purchase at that price.   So, unless some mysterious bidder offers some absolutely ridiculous price, BBCW will eventually end up with the whole thing.


 * Which kinda sucks, to be honest. It was almost certainly a better company when it was the mixture of a strong retailer and a strong television producer.   Czech Out   ☎ | ✍  16:31, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Missing Stories
Missing stories occasionally creep into the "Still To Be Announced" section of this page. As it is extremely unlikely that there would be a DVD issued for any completely missing story or any story that is included in the "Lost in Time" set I feel that adding them is merely wishful thinking and perhaps should be discouraged.

Netrhino 17:24, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree a link to Missing episodes is the better way to go, however I reworded the link as the original version was unnecessarily defeatest. Aside from the fact missing episodes still turn up from time to time, the idea of animating being "too expensive" is a fallacy now that we have people doing such things for free on YouTube that frankly look superior to the restored Invasion episodes. It's only a matter of time. And there's also always the chance BBC Video, especially when they get near the end of available complete stories, could always simply obtain the Loose Cannon restorations or similar projects. Not saying any of this is guaranteed, mark you, but "never say never" is definitely the order of the day. 23skidoo 15:05, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Half Destroyed Stories
Is it really nessecary to have this included in the article, the information is already covered in the relevant articles Bigshowbower 05:18, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

2010 and Onwards
I would like to know what evidence supports the likeliness of the releases of Planet of the Spiders, The Masque of Mandragora and Silver Nemesis I can understand Revenge of the Cybermen as it would complete Season 12.
 * Please sign your comments. As for the likeiness of releases, I'm unaware of any barriers preventing their release. They're complete stories. People involved in making them are still alive and available for commentaries. There's probably a load of deleted footage for Silver Nemesis (maybe enough to create an extended version). It's only a matter of time till they are released. Same with any other complete stories. BBC Video has stated they plan to release them all eventually. And by then it'll be so cheap to animate the missing episodes they'll just move on to those. 23skidoo 15:08, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Split Articles.
I propose two new articles. Both of which would lessen the load on the 'List of BBC DVD Releases'.

The first would be similar. Only detailing the list of Australian DVD's. This would be to make the original page more tidy. And the new article could go into greater detail about our schedule.

The second proposed article is a List of rumoured DVD releases. As we all know that all complete episodes will one day be released, this page could be done in the form of a list with each episode, followed by their individual status. (eg: Lost, reconstruction rumoured, commentry recorded) This would allow for the clutter at the bottom of the current page to vanish and be replaced by an orderly system.

If anyone would care to help me build these pages, or offer any suggestions, please feel free to contact me.

Regards,

D.M.J--D.M.J 10:49, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Im sorry but I have to disagree with the Australian Release List, it would be a carbon copy of the present list. The dates for releases would be better placed in the articles relating to the story. The rumours well there arent that many rumour releases that would warrant a single page. I dont really see the point in spliting the articles when a bit of work could be done Bigshowbower 11:28, 11 August 2009 (UTC)


 * The Australian (Region 4) releases could be split off to their own article, as could the US DVD releases. For the Australian DVD releases I can't seem to confirm or deny whether they use the same catalogue numbers as the UK releases. As at the moment the suggestion is they have the same catalogue number as their UK counterparts. However the catalogue numbers for other countries' releases and release dates are probably just as easily and best placed on the TV story articles in question.
 * "As we all know"? Who is we? If it's statements like this justifying the creation of an article then the article shouldn't be created. Real world pages that are listing things that have not happened need sources of information to back them up.
 * The 'clutter' at the bottom of the page is a list, which is what this article is. Shifting the list around would still make it a list. If it really is seen to be trouble it could be shifted to a sub-page of this article. --Tangerineduel 15:45, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Split articles: Furthur discussion
Hello again.

Firstly, the 'we' I mentioned before, refers to the general Doctor who fandom community. It has been stated numerous times by Dan Hall and 2Entertain that they'll release every story possible.

As I have little time to work on the disputed article in question, I am aware that they need sources, and where available I will obtain them. However I don't have that much free time on my hand to work on the article. Which is why I have welcomed others to come forward and edit the page.

I've only created this page to clarify what is confirmed information, and what is pure speculation. Not as a base of more rumours. However, if you're willing to let the 'future DVD releases' article merge into the main article, then I am willing to agree to that. May I suggest that the three sub-articles '2010 and beyond', 'DVD's that are yet to be announced' and 'Re-releases are all put together in the same fashion that I had planned for the article in question.

I hope that we have come to a suitable conclusion on this debate in which both sides are satisfied.

Now, moving onto the other subject: a seperate list of Australian DVD releases, and therefore a list of American DVD releases.

Although not released out of order, the release schedule for Australia is very different with just one classic release at the beginning of each month, with new series DVD's released shortly after they screen here. With 2Entertain's accelerated release schedule, Australia (already being 2-3 months behind) stands to become even more set back.

As for the matter of catalouge numbers. Delta and the bannerman, released here on the 6th of August has the catalouge number R-B01730-9.

However, on a second thought and upon observation of Wikipedia's similar (But often incorrect) list, a table may work much better and allow space for all 3 main markets to be covered. This could still be done by order of release, followed by the proposed list of future DVD release speculation clarification.

The only problem that I can see with this is; I've never seen a table on this site. Is a table of released DVD's followed by their regional release dates possible.

Thank you so very much for your time and I hope for your reply in due course.

Kind Regards,

D.M.J Long


 * 'The general Doctor Who fandom community'? That's a very big group to try and speak for. (How incidentally do you know we all know this about the DVD releases, that's a pretty big assumption about a very large community)


 * But how do you define what is pure speculate and what is confirmed information if there are no sources (hence the prop delete, this is an article of nothing until it has sources).


 * What information would be merged, this article has a bit of information copied from the Missing episodes article and some from the 'Still to be announced' list at the bottom of the List of BBC DVDs article, there isn't anything tangible that would need to be copied that isn't better covered in the separate articles that allow for better context.


 * That would I think be too many sub-pages. The 2010 information can stay on the current article as we're only quickly leading up to 2010, but the 2010 listings can be cleared up come what.
 * Some re-releases have already been confirmed in DWM.

DVDs yet to be announced could be in a sub-page, but looking at the list, it's good to have all the information on a list article, being that's what it's called on the title of the page. --Tangerineduel 17:30, 11 August 2009 (UTC)