User talk:Michael Downey

Stories
If you go to my User page to external links you can go to a website where two of my stories can be found. At the moment I’ am writing a fifth story called Monster starring the Second Doctor and Jamie McCrimmon. And I totally agree it takes ages to write a story.

Jcamts

Brazilian version
Hello Michel,

I speak Portuguese and I live in Brazil. Excuse me, but I don't write well in English.

I am a fan of "Doctor Who". I really enjoy the series and would like to create a Wiki, along with Brazilian friends in Wikia, in Portuguese on the series.

Can you help me? What procedures should I take?

RE: Merlin
Hi, Since i come from Australia and don't actually have BBC1 i have never seen the show before sorry i couldn't be of any help with the new wiki Dark Lord Xander 07:37, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Re spotlight page
I noted in the page notes that I changed it back for November. November being the 45th anniversary of Doctor Who. It will stay like that for the rest of November. After that I'm sure we can change it to something fitting. --Tangerineduel 15:45, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Citation
I've had a quick look at the video and it's not really precise in which episode it's referring to, so maybe it could be noted in the notes rather than the infobox? But the ref tags are okay you just missed the last one which should be so it would look like That's what it means when it says " Cite error: Closing missing for ref tag was missing. Hope this helps. --Tangerineduel 14:03, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

Naismith page
There is a discussion page on the Naismith page, if you bothered to look at that and left a message there, I would have seen it Bigshowbower 12:34, October 23, 2009 (UTC)


 * I second this. If you disagree with a proposed deletion please leave a message (as Bigshowbower has done) and discuss it on the article's talk page. --Tangerineduel 13:01, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

TARDIS crew member page and Series 5 page
For the TARDIS crew member page it is generally considered that member add their names from the bottom of the article, rather than the top, please leave it that way.

The Series 5 page; copying and pasting information does not maintain the article's page history. As for the naming issue, there has been some discussion on the article's talk page, I would encourage participating in the discussion on the article's talk page as this may be a somewhat contentious issue. Thanks. --Tangerineduel 14:37, October 24, 2009 (UTC)


 * TARDIS list of crew members. Righty I don't dispute you added your name at the top when you joined here, but as I noted then, as now user details should go at the bottom of the list. I've readded your user details, not at the bottom, but rather under the last name that was added when you first added your name in July 2008. --Tangerineduel 06:03, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

Renaming, moving and page history and Eve
Hello again. Page history is important on all wikis and wikipedia, it lets users look back and see the history of a page, see which editors have contributed to the article and if necessary return to a previous edit. In the case of an article that needs to have its name changed, the method is to move the page rather than copying and pasting the content. By using the move button it moves the page's entire history to the new name, copying and pasting its content does not, this starts the page again without any history (and by this method implies that the editor who has begun the page created all the content).

The Eve page has been reverted numerous times as, if you click the "What links here" link on the left in the sidebar the only articles that link to "Eve" relate to Eve of Museum of the Last Ones.

Though while I'm addressing this I will add that the naming conventions for disambiguating names is to put the story the character is from in brackets rather than anything else for instance see Scott (the disambiguation page) has Scott (The Daleks' Master Plan) and Scott (Earthshock). Though this is not necessary for Eve as I've said there are no other articles that link to Eve other than those that refer to that character. --Tangerineduel 12:01, October 25, 2009 (UTC)


 * Thats what I've been trying to say I'll just move the page then thanks Michael Downey 12:04, October 25, 2009 (UTC)


 * Not quite (in reference to Doug86's talk page). I said that it wasn't necessary to do so. I explained the how and why of disambiguating names. Additionally moving the page does not change the "What links here" links. --Tangerineduel 12:20, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

Additionally the feature articles...
The point of the feature article section was to leave it. Please don't just delete other user's votes, talk comments (on the front page for instance) this is considered vandalism, please do not do this. --Tangerineduel 12:20, October 25, 2009 (UTC)


 * This is possibly where we're having a disconnect. The point behind my post in the forum was to invite community feedback, rather than just deleting it all and beginning again. The comments and votes are still valid and perhaps we can revist them once everything is rebooted.
 * But charging in creating a spotlight article voting system without the policy to back it up and other things invites disaster as should problems occur we don't have anything to fall back on or to refer to.
 * Feel free to add the article to the feature article nomination and to try and get people voting for it using the currently in place framework.
 * The spotlight article currently in place that you've added is fine for now. (Though lacking in information relating to his later appearances). --Tangerineduel 12:30, October 25, 2009 (UTC)


 * Again with the deleting of information on talk pages. Please do not do this, this is vandalism. Just because the process has been altered does not mean the talk page information should be deleted, that talk page info was left in place during the last 'nominations for feature article' process, and it will be left through this process. --Tangerineduel 12:16, November 10, 2009 (UTC)

Series 5 Talk Page
Hi, I altered your talk comment on the Series 5 talk page to preserve the spoiler free nature of the talk page. As I noted in the previous revertered edit of the talk page, please keep the spoilers (or potential spoilers) to the Series 5 page, that has the spoiler tag on it. As the article talk page is used to discuss the page as a whole, not just the elements that may or may not be a spoiler. A link to the website with the list of episode names achieves the same result. Though if you believe this detracts from the talk page I'll revert my edit. Thanks. --Tangerineduel 08:13, November 24, 2009 (UTC)

Copying articles
When converting an article to a new name, it should be moved. If you cannot move it, you should contact an admin to have it moved. Otherwise, the entire history is gone, and that's a really bad thing. Please heed that in future, thanks. -- sulfur 00:55, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Also, do not remove comments made by other people from talk pages. -- sulfur 03:06, January 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * I second this. Copying the article manually and adding a redirect (and then) making edits to said page creates several extra steps in order to rectify it and preserve both pages histories. --Tangerineduel 13:38, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Removal of content from user pages
Warning: It is vandalism to remove content from a user's user page (including sub-pages). --Tangerineduel 11:36, January 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * If you believe what the user has done is incorrect leave a message on their talk page. However, I would add that if you look through the user in question's talk page history (in addition looking at the title of their sub-page), it appears they are using it as a 'workdesk'. Some users use sub-pages to test edits out, prior to placing them on the wiki.
 * I really advise talking to any users whom you find issue with their content on their user pages rather than altering their work (what users put on their user page and what they say on talk pages and the forums is their own and should not be altered) (there are exceptions in cases of offensive material etc, but usually an admin will handle that). --Tangerineduel 11:56, January 28, 2010 (UTC)

Episode infobox
The infobox is just to highlight a summary of the main features of the story. The References section on all story pages is used to go into further detail of the references made within the story. See something like Remembrance of the Daleks, or Unnatural History for how the references section is used to go into further detail of things that have appeared in the story. --Tangerineduel 14:38, February 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * Having an appearances section in the infobox would quickly get out of hand (likely with people adding very minor appearances etc). The infobox is just a summary of the main features of the article.
 * Also just to note, the references section is in-universe. See Tardis:Format for Television Story Entries for more info. --Tangerineduel 14:50, February 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * But that's what the infobox is, it's a summary of the main features.
 * It will get out of hand, most things, unless they're clearly defined get out of hand. The infobox has very clearly defined elements to it; name, Doctor, companions, writer etc.
 * Alien/Enemy appearances is something a little less well defined. For something like Planet of the Dead or other stories it might seem simple enough, but looking at the wider wiki when you look through to other stories that have more than one or two alien appearances, the list could be excessively long. --Tangerineduel 15:04, February 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia actually doesn't. They tend to go for the primary points as we do. An Unearthly Child, they list Doctor, companions and guest stars, we've got; Doctor, Companions, enemy, setting etc.
 * Yes some pages on this wiki aren't detailed, that is an argument to add more content to the article, rather than add more fields to the infobox (which as I've said is a summary).
 * Additionally, just thinking about it, to have a field in the infobox it'd need to be called 'Species' appearance', as alien is relatively subjective, then we'd need to add clarifications into the layout guides telling people not to include Gallifreyan/Time Lord (The Doctor) and his companion species, as they wouldn't count (or would they?), very likely people would add them.
 * Lists are just lists, they only catch the eye by being long, the articles are there for their content. --Tangerineduel 15:45, February 3, 2010 (UTC)

Series 5 Episode Titles
Those are from the February 2010 issue of DWM.

Your move of Series 5 (Doctor Who)
Dude, you asked a question in the Howling so as to invite comment about whether it would be okay to move Series 5 to Season 31. Then you immediately went and did it, without waiting for even a single answer to that question. It is extraordinarily premature to move the article. One Moffat interview doesn't constitute proof. Next time, if you start a conversation, wait for it to happen before taking action. It's called consensus building, one of the fundamental guidelines of wiki construction.  Czech Out  ☎ | ✍ 21:49, February 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Second this. The same goes for the template. --Tangerineduel 14:22, February 5, 2010 (UTC)

Vampires in Venice and Vincent and the Doctor proposed deletions
As you did not include a reason for proposing deletion of Vampires in Venice and Vincent and the Doctor, and the senior administrator for this wiki has provided sourcing for the titles, I have removed your proposed deletion tag. You are welcome to propose deletion again, but you need to explain on the talk pages of both articles why you feel the article should be deleted so that consensus can be reached. Thanks. 23skidoo 03:29, February 7, 2010 (UTC)

Silurians
You told me I would be banned if I kept making up names like "Silurians" when the Silurians ARE REAL! DBuddy 21:59, February 14, 2010 (UTC)

Well done!
You found my new template! Well done! Me & you must be the only ones who have to template. Triskter87, 18:47, 18th February 2010 (UTC)

Add proposed delete, don't remove content
If you add the proposed delete, leave the content behind, do not just remove all the content. Please. The point of the proposed deletion tag is so users/admins can see the content to evaluate it, without delving back through the page's history. --Tangerineduel 02:37, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

World War Three
Thanks, but all I did was call up the page history, found the record of the content removal, and clicked "undo". The Nth Doctor 20:53, February 23, 2010 (UTC)

DVD covers
Hi, when uploading DVDs covers avoid grabbing them from sites like Amazon as they include a significant amount of white space around the DVDs covers (File:TheClawsofAxosDVD.jpg for example), which makes using them in sometimes difficult or just makes the thumbnails/galleries look a little odd. Thanks. --Tangerineduel 06:18, March 9, 2010 (UTC)

DW Series 5
Lad they have been comfirmed!

How Thick are you ive bloody told ya they ave been confirmed
Liamhenney 18:22, March 22, 2010 (UTC)Liam Henney

Beast Below
Its the first item on the news section, copied it from there :) Mini-mitch 16:21, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

Article of the month
Hi, when writing the lead in text for the article of the month it's best to write a lead rather than copy the text to make readers want to follow the link to the article. As the articles are written to be encyclopaedic information, whilst the main page should entice readers to go further into the wiki. I've re-written the article of the month text for this month. Thanks. --Tangerineduel 13:03, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Titles
No articles on this wiki use titles in the name of the article, the standard is if the name is duplicated to put the TV story that they appear in in brackets. --Tangerineduel 17:08, April 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * Those more prove the rule by being the exceptions. Mr Sin is its name rather than a title and a name, Mrs. Wiggs is the individual's full name it/her being a pawn in the Toymaker's games, Mr and Mrs Pacoo are is the full name given to aliens without the context around to establish whether their name is Mr and Mrs or Pacoo. (However the DWBIT comic may shed some light on this given the wording in the article as such that article may need moving the Pacoo).


 * See for instance Perkins (The Invasion) he is listed as such rather than Sergeant Perkins, Carter (The Hand of Fear) is listed as such rather than Dr Carter, the same goes for Carter (K9 and Company) instead of PC Carter.


 * There is no issue with linking to the article as such Mrs Angelo (giving you Mrs Angelo). --Tangerineduel 17:27, April 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * See also Tardis:Manual of Style. --Tangerineduel 17:31, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

Confirmation of mistake
At the bottom of 'Story Notes', I added a link to an interview with Steven offat where he confirms it in that interview. The interview is a recorded one, the confirmation can be found somewhat near the end of the filmed interview. Delton Menace 15:18, April 17, 2010 (UTC)

Rumours
Please leave the episode rumours on the series 5 page. UNTIL the epsiode name has been revealed and pages created, then the rumours can be moved from the Series 5 page to the episode, but meanwhile still add you 'False' and 'Unconfirmed Section', its just a place for story rumours to go, until we have correct pages for them. Mini-mitch 15:42, April 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * When I said keep both i meant ALL the rumours, not the ones you wanted. I therefore decided to stop this argument and put them into the discussion, and re-added some of them, which is mixed of both Unconfirmed and Episode rumours, the episode rumours can then be removed as we get the details of the episodes the rumours are about. Is trhis not a fairer way to do things, just theme them as i have done, put them under on heading? Mini-mitch 16:03, April 23, 2010

Cold Blood
Seems someone has re-created the page. I've added a source, but it's a very sparse source for the name of the episode.

Also, 'the mysterious' is (partially) right, if Wikipedia has sources that confirm whatever information then you can use that source on this wiki. Note you need to find the actual source Wikipedia uses (don't use Wikipedia as a source). Then it's just a matter of citing it on the page. Thanks. --Tangerineduel 17:20, April 29, 2010 (UTC)

Warning message
Sorry for interrupting, but are you talking about the vandalism template? In that case all you need to put is. --Mc hammark 11:03, May 22, 2010 (UTC)

Reply
What i did was - I went onto the Vandalism Template via Tangerineduel Talk Page - selected the link for it in the section Vandalism warning template and copied and pasted the first text box on the page: the message above it read: The following will leave the welcome message seen above Mini-mitch 12:04, May 22, 2010 (UTC)

Feature article
It is possible that the article was a featured article. It's not in the archive or in the category. We have had a few different variations of the feature article/spotlight article sort of thing on the main page. In the past the spotlight article was mostly chosen at random by whomever wanted to change it. Now the feature article process is a vote based system.

I can, if it concerns you remove it from nomination (I added it for nomination). I'll also look to putting something in the policy (perhaps 6 to 12 months between a repeat nomination of article). --Tangerineduel 11:10, May 22, 2010 (UTC)

Face Tendril
Face Tendril was a nickname given to it by Matt Smith and Karen Gillan. It is in fact not used on the BBC website, and the only name given to it on the show is multi-form. Multi-form was not given to it because it could change shape, they called it a shapeshifter because it could do that. If you read the talk page, you can see it was discussed a while back and was agreed, including the support of an admin, to move the page. The Thirteenth Doctor 20:51, June 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi, As The Thirteenth Doctor says it was discussed on the article's talk page (Talk:Multi-form), Multi-form was the most in-universe name we could come to. But as always I encourage the community to discuss these things. Thanks. --Tangerineduel 14:03, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

Moving The Pandorica Opens
Hi...you may want to look at the talk page (under the section heading 'name') for the story as there's The Pandorica Opens (painting). CzechOut did leave a talk comment there and is correct, the painting being the in-universe element should have the disambigged name, the TV story should have TV story (the precedent has been set previously with Frontios (TV story) and Frontios and Castrovalva (TV story) and Castrovalva. I was in fact just about to sort all of this out. --Tangerineduel 13:36, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

Series 5 aliens template
Hi, they were all the enemies shown in the episode so why do you keep reverting my edits to the template. We do the same for Daleks and Cybermen by listing the individuals in those groups so why not the same for The Alliance? 21:03, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, it is just that I feel that as they appeared, they should be mentioned in the template. How about we ask the community and see what they think then? 21:23, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

Yeti
When was it confirmed that the Yeti were not appearing? Could you please leave a link on the Series 6 page beside the rumour, you shouldn't delete it, since it was a rumour. The Thirteenth Doctor 20:43, July 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * No need to be so stern, and please don't call me incompetent. As far as I knew, it had never been removed, so I would have no reason to look back over the pages history, would I? And even so, it was as rumour that was supported, so should be there. Just like other rumours, we simply say at the end that it was proven false. The Thirteenth Doctor 22:46, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

Torchwood
The difference between Torchwood and Doctor Who is, Davies has never said he would be following any pattern for writing Torchwood. Moffat, on the other hand, has said that he will follow the pattern that Davies set out for writing Doctor Who. That means that he'll be writing the Christmas special, first episode, and the final episodes, plus two others which change from year to year. The Thirteenth Doctor 12:37, August 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * The number eleven link on the series 6 page. "I’m basically following what Russell did," he confirmed. "Having worked out the sums and worked out how he does it, I thought that’s a perfect way of doing it." The "sums" relate to the number of episodes, and "how he does it" relates to the spacing of his episodes. --The Thirteenth Doctor 16:00, August 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * It isn't speculative to think that, since when you analyse the sentence as above, you see that he's talking about both, and the fact that for the past 5 series, the head writer has written the first and last episodes of the series. As I said, Torchwood is different because it has never been said to have a format. I could understand if it was for series 4 and nobody had said it, but Moffat clearly stated he was doing what Davies did, which is write the same number of episodes, including the first and last ones. --The Thirteenth Doctor 16:21, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

Twitter
Don't use Twitter as a reference, since the 'tweets' will be hidden when the person's twitter is updated by newer tweets, plus unless they have a source, it unreliable. Its best to wait for a official source. Mini-mitch 18:59, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

The Howling
Your post has been deleted. It was deemed outwith the Tardis:Discussion policy, which was discussed here. --The Thirteenth Doctor 20:04, August 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * Seems The Thirteenth Doctor has got there before me. --Tangerineduel 08:01, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

Sophie Cosson
I've just removed the Sophie Cosson appearance in series 6. I clicked the link and it was broken, so I've removed it just now. If you can find another one then feel free to add it back in. The Thirteenth Doctor 16:18, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

2011 Christmas special
You could put it on the 2011 page under the real world sub-heading. --Tangerineduel 14:32, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

The Impossible Astronaut
I did read it, but it's far to premature to be made. As Revanvolatrelundar said in the forums, we need to wait a till a week before broadcast before an admin makes and fully protects the article. Once the episode airs, then it's semi-protected, meaning you can editing it. If you have a problems with this rule, as some User have, please bring it up on the forums. Thanks. Mini-mitch\talk 18:37, April 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * Hey, a little word about forum discussions.  They're necessary, but they don't move as quickly as we'd sometimes like.  They certainly don't move in the space of an hour or so, as you seemed to want, judging by your comments on user talk:mini-mitch.  A fast-moving discussion in the forum is measured in terms of days, not hours.  The main reason for this is because we aren't alerted to new posts in the forum.  We have to opt to look there.  Often, we're busy with our own projects.  I check the thing at least weekly, but I don't go more frequently than that unless I'm actively seeking a solution to a problem for which I need a quick answer.  I wish we could rig up something that would alert us to new posts in the forum (beyond just watching a page, I mean), but at present, we just have to deal with the slower communication that happens there.  For what it's worth, though, I did respond to your query, if later than you wanted.


 * As for changing the policy about protecting pages prior to broadcast/release, it's not likely to be reversed, even with forum discussion. Some things around the edges of it might be changed, but as to the core policy — that is, non-admin editing on an article about a item not yet released — that will never be overturned, as such a proposal would be met with swift, vigorous and sustained objection by me and, I rather suspect, Tangerineduel and probably Skittles the hog. It is simply less work to protect a pre-broadcast article than it is to clean up one that's been open for months prior to broadcast.  When, in the past, we allowed articles about upcoming adventures to be created without regulation, they accumulated rumors, speculation and downright falsehoods from fan fora. More to the point, last year, we found that we didn't actually know the precise name of episodes until they actually aired.  We had to do some busy work in getting The Vampires of Venice to the correct broadcast title, and then we had to move around The Pandorica Opens to The Pandorica Opens (TV story), because we only found out through watching that The Pandorica Opens was actually the title of a work of art.  Our time, as admins, is as valuable as yours.  We want to do things that are fun around here, too.  We don't want to be spending oodles of time cleaning up easily-preventable messes.


 * So take what mini-mitch said, above, with a gigantic grain of salt. The forum absolutely is used to change policy, and it can even be used to better shape tardis:spoiler policy.  But it absolutely, positively will not ever be possible to completely overrule the spirit of tardis:spoiler policy.


 * Put simply, we are not a news-gathering organisation. It is not our job to be "first" with info.  It is our job to be right about it. And we will take steps to curtail activity on the wiki that is 100% certain to invite inaccuracies, such as opening a page to be edited prior to release/broadcast. 20:28:26 Mon 11 Apr 2011