Talk:The Day of the Doctor (TV story)/Archive 1

I'm not really sure where this would fit in the lower part of the article...

The explosion of the Dalek Fleet sounds a lot like the credit wrap from the classic series from around the 5th  through to the end.

- Byfield ☎  02:41, November 24, 2013 (UTC)

Time Lord Soldiers
Honestly, I believe the soldiers in this episodes would've been the Chancellery Guard. Now, I'm not sure if that is 100% accurate, but I think it is. Feel free to disregard this though, but thoughts? TheTARDIScontroller ☎  04:26, November 24, 2013 (UTC)

My interpretation is that the citizens of Arcadia appear to be the non-Time Lord ordinary Gallifreyan plebs, sometimes called the Outsiders, the Sheboogans or the chattering classes of Gallifrey, who don't regenerate or interact with the rest of the universe, from whom the Chancery Guard recruit their soldiers.

Either Arcadia was always there, or the circumstances of the time War necessitated it's creation or incorporation for the purposes of civil defence.

The fact that there were (something like) 1.7 Billion children on Gallifrey, and we have always been given to understand that there are VERY few Time Lords, who live for a VERY long time, and don't reproduce (possibly with slightly less alive at anyone time than it takes to fill the Panopticon) indicates that the non-Time Lord population (which was roughly 15-20, if you believe Invasion of Time) is actually actually considerably larger than we have ever been led previously to believe, making the idea of the total breakdown of social order as mentioned towards the end of Trial of a Time Lord considerably more serious....

Events surrounding River Song suggest that the ability to regenerate is actually much more tied in with the mutagenic properties of exposure to time travel (or passage through the Time Vortex), and we hear now about this thing called "the Untempered Schism", which they just expose small children to irrespective of the consequences of doing so - which suggest that the creation of Time Lords from ordinary Gallifreyans is a lot more of a system of social control domestically than it is of power projection out into the rest of the Universe and explains a lot about otherwise unexplained developments relative to the Daleks and absorbtion of alien DNA - the Dalek drone in "Dalek" being seen to undergo full-body organic and inorganic regeneration and Black Dalek Sec's mid-life crisis.

It's also interesting that the High Council seemingly shows absolutely no interest or inclination towards evacuating any of these people, even though the lot of them would easily fit inside just a single TARDIS....

Spike1138 ☎  04:42, December 20, 2013 (UTC)

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Spike1138 ☎  04:42, December 20, 2013 (UTC)

There's an awful lot of speculation and "fanon" in the above. And some straight-up inaccuracies. Regardless, to answer the original question, we don't know whether the soldiers here were Chancellory Guard or not. They're awfully far from the Panopticon if so. All we really know is that they're soldiers defending Gallifrey, so nothing more specific in that regard should be referenced in the article. Spreee ☎  18:06, January 10, 2014 (UTC)Spreee

Guinness World Record
I'm not sure how or where this should be added, but this program set a world record for largest ever simulcast. Steven Moffat was actually presented with the award before the premiere. Full story is on the BBC website. —RRabbit42 ( leave a message ) 18:07, November 24, 2013 (UTC)

TARDIS Window
Someone saw that the window in the TARDIS isnt broken in the s07e14 ep? 82.149.184.178talk to me 18:35, November 24, 2013 (UTC)

Infamous police constable
The "infamous" Police constable? Why is he infamous? What did he do wrong?

thirteen TARDISes ?
If you look closely at the Doctors appearing in the War Room “screens” you can see two different Seventh doctors from a very different point in their timeline (one looks like the Doctor in season 23 and the other looks like the Doctor in the 1996 movie). It's so obvious that it can't be a production error. So it's likely that there were actually 14 TARDISes in that scene.
 * It's not possible for two versions of the Seventh Doctor to appear at the same time, as there's no logical reason for this to happen. Let's just regard this as a production error. Gokyr586 ☎  08:19, November 25, 2013 (UTC)
 * Why wouldn't two versions of the 7th Doctor appearing together be possible? It's not logistically different from two different incarnations meeting, in-universe, it's just easier from a doylist point of view to have different incarnations.

Stock Footage Origin?
Just wondering, can anyone note down where the footage of Ecclestone saying "And for my next trick" is from? Lugia61617 ☎  07:02, November 25, 2013 (UTC)

That would be "The Parting of Ways." 68.201.124.179talk to me 08:11, November 25, 2013 (UTC)

Prequel?
Is The Night of the Doctor considered a prequel to this episode? Craig Bennett Stiles ☎  14:15, November 25, 2013 (UTC)

This article seems inaccurate too me, as it was pretty clear that the Curator was the Doctor, and almost as certainly a future version, who had chosen one of his favorite old faces. This would seem to me to be even more evident, because, as the Curator is clearly the Doctor, he would have to be a future version, as he has knowledge which was unknown by the current Doctor. People may want it to have been ambiguous, but it really wasn't.

23.243.150.75talk to me 00:48, November 26, 2013 (UTC)

Companion Photos
Of the companions seen in the photographs on the board, a few are not yet listed. This includes Sarah-Jane Smith (36:59, center, beside the sole picture of Rory alone), Jack Harkness (36:59, bottom of the board, I recognize that hair anywhere) Martha Jones (37:08, bottom right), Mickey Smith (37:08, beside Martha, requires frame by frame as he only appears for 8 frames).

Ten's Console Room
Is it just me, or is Ten's console room somehow different from the one from The End of Time? It seems smaller, its not on multiple levels and the incline from the door to the console is now flat...

EDIT: Now with pictures...

The scenes on Ten's console room were filmed at the Doctor Who Experience (London/Cardiff), where the set was kept. It had been shrunken down to fit, explaining why it's smaller in this episode. --TARDIS2468 ☎  07:29, December 13, 2013 (UTC)

Flying-Dalek things
What are those blue flying dalek things in the Fall of Arcadia? Are they daleks or just ships? Darthleapyous ☎  10:15, November 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * Those would be Dalek fighter pods, first seen in this episode. --SOTO ☎ 14:29, November 29, 2013 (UTC)

Point that keeps getting removed for no reason
Repeatedly now, a point I have been putting in the continuity section has been removed for no apparent reason. This is what I had posted about the opening scene.
 * The opening scenes mimic the original open to TV: An Unearthly Child''. The opening titles are the original Hartnell titles with the BBC logo added. The first shot shows a police officer going by a sign for 76 Totter's Lane, and the second shot is set at Coal Hill School as class dismisses. Clara is now a teacher at Coal Hill School. A sign shows that Ian Chesterton is chairman of the school's Board of Governors, also showing that a W. Coburn is headmaster.

At first it removed the statement under the pretense that statements in the continuity section had to be in an in-universe point of view (something which I had seen another admin dispute slightly before) and that the only difference between Continuity and References is weather it was in-universe or not. I messaged the admin who had reverted my edit, and informed him why he was mistaken, but now my edit is still being reverted because what I stated is "already listed in story notes" despite the fact that only the reference to the titles is stated there, and the fact that " [there is] no need for it to be in TWO sections," despite the fact that removing this leaves a gap in the continuity section where this information is not present. I would like now to add this statement without it being continuously reversed for reasons bizarre. I will not re-add it until further discussion occurs. Paulisthewalrus ☎  15:31, December 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * It's your opinion that this item has been removed for "no apparent reason". As I have stated multiple times, your post is more of a behind the scenes item. In fact, when I tried to move it from Continuity to Story Notes, it was already there. We don't put the same item more than once on a page. That's valid reason enough, despite your disagreement.


 * As for a "gap" in continuity, there is no such thing. Continuity is simply a list of things that relate to other stories. Your item shows a similarity between scenes of an episode (opening titles, BBC logo, first and second shot), which is production, i.e. behind the scenes, information. The item is on the page, just not in the section you want it to be.


 * One more thing. Please stop using language like "no apparent reason" and "reasons bizarre" to describe other people's edits. You are not yet breaking Tardis:No personal attacks, but continued language like this may be construed as personal attacks. Shambala108 ☎  16:32, December 2, 2013 (UTC)

Two Important Points
Point One: From the Tenth Doctor's point of view this episode is between 'Waters of Mar' and 'End of Time'(during his "farewell tour). However the sonic screwdriver he uses is colored wrong. It is colored as it appeared during the Ninth's tenure and up until 'Smith and Jones' for the Tenth. The one he should have had would have been silver/gray in color.

Point Two: The Eleventh Doctor's console room now has a platform in front of the console directly a crossed from the doors. This was most likely add for support of Clara's motorbike and may not be a permanent addition to the console room.

--Tripodssj6 ☎  21:14, December 3, 2013 (UTC)

The second Strax video
Aside from the one shown in theatres, the BBC also released a second Strax video telling people to get off social media and watch the movie. This should be mentioned - but does anyone know where it was distributed? Did they actually upload this to social media sites or was it just a gag for Youtube? It might not hurt to make reference to the Strax Field Report videos too. 68.146.70.124talk to me 21:45, December 5, 2013 (UTC)

Suggested note addition to credits
I suggest the footnote next to John Hurt's name in the cast credits be expanded to note that he is fourth-billed in the opening credits, but in the closing credits he is billed between McGann and Eccleston as per his Doctor's placement in the chronology. Otherwise it's possible someone might come along and move him up to 3rd position after Smith and Tennant since he was one of the 3 primary Doctors in this story. 68.146.70.124talk to me 21:02, December 9, 2013 (UTC)

Good suggestion but John Hurt was billed fifth in the opening credits after Billie Piper. --Tripodssj6 ☎  21:36, December 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * I stand corrected! 68.146.70.124talk to me 15:10, December 12, 2013 (UTC)

Curse of Fatal Death
When Clara asks the Doctors what their promise is - in reference to The Name of the Doctor - they say "Never Cruel, Never Cowardly." This exact phrase is used by Emma to eulogize the Doctor in the comedy short. Of course, Fatal Death was written by Stephen Moffat. 130.156.22.254talk to me 13:38, December 12, 2013 (UTC)

Production error addition
The episode (and all official coverage related to the episode) clearly establishes that Billie Piper does not play Rose Tyler - she is playing a new character, The Moment, who only takes the form of Rose/Bad Wolf. Yet the closing credits contain an error as Billie Piper is credited as Rose. This should be added. 68.146.70.124talk to me 15:12, December 12, 2013 (UTC)

The rabbit in the forest was a lop-eared rabbit: A domestic breed that didn't appear until the 19th century. This seems like too obvious an error but there didn't appear to be any other indication that it was deliberate.
 * Please see T:NO RW. Shambala108 ☎  00:07, December 16, 2013 (UTC)

Companion photos
Article is missing a reference to the fact that Yates and Sara Kingdom are shown together in the same photograph, implying a previously unseen adventure. As far as can be seen on screen, it is the only digitally manipulated image on the board. Do Yates and Sara meet each other in the Big Finish audios? The reference to Grace should be pointed out too, since complex licensing has prevented that character from being referenced on screen or in audio since 1996 (though the comics can use her, apparently). 68.146.70.124talk to me 14:47, December 13, 2013 (UTC)

Another Production Error
This one was just pointed out to me, and it's true - when Clara snaps her fingers to close the TARDIS doors we hear an audible snap, however she did it with a gloved hand, and as such there should have been no sound at all. Seriously - put on a pair of leather riding gloves and you try snapping your fingers and see what kind of sound it makes! 68.146.70.124talk to me 17:31, December 17, 2013 (UTC)

Someone else got out the painting....
 was. . . ''insert brief lead here and use past tense throughout article. See the Tardis:Tardis Manual and Layout guide if you have questions.''

In the scene where the Doctors exit the Gallifrey Falls No More Painting to enter the UNIT Black Archive, there is a brief shot of Clara exiting the painting behind them; however, the black--leather-clad arm and and (with ornamental silver) seem grasping the edge of the picture frame to pull itself free of the Arcadia scene does NOT appear to be Clara's arm....

This occurs whilst all three Doctors' backs are turned, and the implications of this are obvious, if indeed the scene captured in the painting (the actual Fall of Arcadia, on the ACTUAL Gallifrey, with ACTUAL Daleks (not painted ones)) is "from life, and if it occurs later in The day than Rassillon's gambit with the Warp Star Diamond as seem in The End of Time....

Spike1138 ☎  16:20, December 18, 2013 (UTC) Spike1138

Seventh Doctor Quote
During the scene with the thirteen Doctors, we hear bits of dialogue from some of them. One of the most prominent is the Seventh. He clearly says "across the boundaries that divide one universe from another". Does anyone know what story this quote is taken from? Battlefield maybe? I'm virtually certain it wasn't recorded for this episode. Slughorn42 ☎  23:41, January 7, 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's Battlefield.
 * ''Doctor: A cry for help. Perhaps a summoning.
 * ''Ace: Where's it coming from?
 * ''Doctor: Earth. Rippling out through the cosmos, forward in time, backwards in time and sideways in time.
 * ''Ace: Sideways in time?
 * ''Doctor: Yes, sideways in time, across the boundaries that divide one universe from another.
 * --SOTO ☎ 00:02, January 8, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! Slughorn42 ☎  01:09, January 8, 2014 (UTC)

Story note addition
First, is there a particular reason why this article remains locked? The episode is nearly two months old now. Anyway, under Story Notes, please add the following: PS: I'm aware we also see two different Doctor's TARDISes in The Two Doctors but they simply used the same set for both as opposed to completely different sets. 68.146.70.124talk to me 18:29, January 17, 2014 (UTC)
 * This is the first televised Doctor Who story to feature non-flashback scenes featuring three different TARDIS control room designs in the Doctor's TARDIS. The previous record-holders were TV: The Eleventh Hour and The Doctor's Wife, both of which featured two different versions of the Doctor's console room.

Production note addition
Again, I have to ask why this article remains locked. A simple explanation would do (is it a vandalism target?). Anyway, please add that Capaldi filmed his cameo on 3 October 2013, the same day he filmed the regeneration for Time of the Doctor. The source for this is the interview article with Capaldi in DWM 469. 68.146.70.124talk to me 13:34, March 14, 2014 (UTC)

Change, or predestination?
A question I'd like to pose (and I posed on the Last Great Time War page, too), in regard to both this article and the rest that are associated with it, chiefly the Ninth Doctor's page and The Day of the Doctor. Now, the articles around here written under the belief that the Time War was ALWAYS prevented by War, 10 and 11, but I personally beg to differ, instead believing that the Time War had originally ended WITH the destruction of Gallifrey by the Doctor, and that the Moment was influenced by Bad Wolf's personality to change history by having 10 and 11 involved. But anyway, my question is, where is the general belief included in the articles derive from? I wish to know, because there's an equal possibility of what I'm suggesting (to which I'm not exclusive to) also occuring. Was this commonly decided by the site's mods?

Thank you for your time. --HighlanderFan83
 * Not only do I personally agree with the idea that this was Bad Wolf's doing, which there is reason to believe, but the episode itself is actually explicitly written with the understanding that the Doctors' plan is literally changing history, that they DID in fact destroy Gallifrey before. So this is a good question about an irritating issue. Game-fanatic ☎  01:35, June 16, 2017 (UTC)


 * I also agree with this. It seems perfectly plausible that Bad Wolf went back in time and fixed the Doctor's greatest regret ("the Time War ends"), then forward in time and arranges for herself to end up in a parallel universe with her mother and father alive and happily married (and wealthy/successful), and a human version of the Doctor who can be with her as a husband. Mickey is removed from her life, but is made braver and smarter and given a happy life with a wonderful woman. Jack is restored back to life. So yeah I think it fits. Hell, even the colossal spaghetti ontological paradox of River Song, an improbable but appropriate wife for a Time Lord. Rose got everything she wished for in that moment, including perhaps the Doctor regenerating into a young, hot romantic interest who's in love with her. 131.96.47.18talk to me 05:48, March 29, 2018 (UTC)

YAPE (Yet Another Production Error)
In the "War Council" scenes, on tight shots on Smith, starting with his first delivery of the line We're going to freeze Gallifrey, Smith's copy of the script is plainly visible sitting on the TARDIS console. It comes and goes a few times.

MMma8gFdu77CG7Uq ☎  16:41, April 11, 2014 (UTC)

Yes, true. But given the fact that you can't see any of the text on the script it could be said to be "Gallifrey Stands" notes. --DCLM ☎  10:36, May 3, 2014 (UTC)

End of lives for the Doctors
Now that the three main role Doctors (War, Tenth and Eleventh) are at the ends of their lives during this journey in the 50th Anniversary episode, are the rest of the Doctors (excluding the Twelfth Doctor) at the end of their lives as well? --DCLM ☎  19:12, May 2, 2014 (UTC)

X doctor story categories?
This page is currently in the "X Doctor television stories" category for every doctor. Should it be? It was all edited archive footage for the past doctors. The Name of the Doctor (TV story) is in a similar situation, but it doesn't have the "X Doctor" categories even though it is in the multi-doctor story category. Would it make more sense to have the "X Doctor" categories on both Name and Day, or on neither?  P&amp;P  talk   contribs  04:01, August 12, 2014 (UTC)

That's not a prouction error.
The twelfth doctor's appearance in the "blue" tardis isn't really i production error. He could easily save Gallifrey right before he redecorated :P

Capaldi talks
Article only mentions his eyes appearing but I believe Twelfth Doctor also had a line, something like "make it 13", this should probably be noted. Distinctly heard his voice.

Also wondering, assuming all the pre-11 (pre-Matt) guys got amnesia, would same apply to 12/Capaldi being future? Or might he remember, whenever it happens (may not have yet) 174.92.132.116talk to me 04:43, January 19, 2015 (UTC)


 * Bit late to respond to this, but: Capaldi doesn't have any lines in the episode. The line in question - "No sir, all thirteen!" - is delivered by the General. --Ben Paddon ☎  02:02, May 9, 2016 (UTC)
 * Androgar, surely. The line was in response to the General's "all twelve of them" line. -- Tybort (talk page) 14:19, May 9, 2016 (UTC)

The Tomorrow Windows
In the Eighth Doctor novel "The Tomorrow Windows", the Doctor looks into a Tomorrow Window and sees numerous future predictions. Two of these future predictions were: The only thing stopping me from adding it to the Continuity is that there's no direct link that these would refer to this event. We can only assume a connection. Therefore, can we discuss whether or not it should go in? :) Thanks. The  Farty  Doctor   Talk  13:24, March 14, 2015 (UTC)
 * A ruined city, with many buildings on fire. A Dalek saucer hovering overhead, with Daleks below scanning the ruins.
 * A planet exploding in a silent flash.
 * Well, if we can only "assume", then there's nothing to discuss. We never put assumptions on articles. Shambala108 ☎  14:45, March 14, 2015 (UTC)
 * Okay, cool. That's why I was asking. Thank you! The  Farty  Doctor   Talk  15:17, March 14, 2015 (UTC)

Higher budget

 * The Day of the Doctor was given a higher pyrotechnics budget because of its anniversary special status, which allowed the production to feature much bigger explosions, The heightened explosive use can be witnessed during the Fall of Arcadia segments.

Is this supposition? I'm sure I've heard either Steven Moffat or Nick Hurran point out the budget was about the same as any other televised story. When was this said? -- Tybort (talk page) 14:29, May 26, 2015 (UTC)

Third Doctor quote Might it be from Inferno, when the Doctor says "Stand by, Liz." 169.231.40.186talk to me 01:13, June 4, 2015 (UTC)anon contributor (did I do this right?)

The simulcast record
It's worth noting that the current record holder, CSI, in fact aired what was in many territories a re-run for its simulcast. Silent Hunter UK ☎  17:16, September 5, 2015 (UTC)

The Fez Paradox
I believe the fez featured in this episode is an example of the Bootstrap Paradox. It ended up in the Gallery because Queen Elizabeth got hold of it in the past. It was in the past because the Way Doctor brought it with him after Eleven threw it into the fissure from 1562. It was in 1862 because Eleven threw it into the fissure from the present. This means that the fez came from nowhere, and only exists in this time loop. Would this be worth noting in the article somewhere, and if so, where in it? Dystyyy ☎  01:04, May 9, 2016 (UTC)

Night of the Doctor filmed after?
This page says that The Night of the Doctor was filmed the week after production wrapped, while the page for The Night of the Doctor says it was filmed on the last two days of production on The Day of the Doctor. So which is it? -- Tybort (talk page) 12:08, December 12, 2016 (UTC)

Looking for sources
Hi, I've seen a few statements about this story over the years and I guess some of those are true. But there are so many interviews and articles about it that I could not trace all of them. That's why I would like to put those rumors here to see if someone remembers where it could come from and only then put it on the article:

During his close-up cameo, Capaldi was wearing 11's frock coat

When Eccleston turned down the offer to reappear, Moffat considered to bring back McGann instead but was vetoed by BBC Head of Drama and the episode's executive producer Faith Penhale.RingoRoadagain ☎  15:48, December 14, 2017 (UTC)

Was Ten's marriage to QE-I valid?
I can see how Elizabeth thought so. But if you look at the scene of them getting married, you see the following people: A proper wedding, right? The Bride, Groom, Officiant, and three witnesses (one more than necessary). Except that there are really only four people present: the priest, Elizabeth, the Doctor, and Clara. They're one witness short, because obviously the groom can't legally witness his own wedding. No doubt Elizabeth didn't realize this, but the wedding was never properly conducted and so they were never married. 131.96.47.18talk to me 05:54, March 29, 2018 (UTC)
 * 1) The priest
 * 2) Elizabeth
 * Ten
 * 1) Eleven
 * 2) War Doctor
 * 3) Clara


 * To be fair, from an outside point of view, there was two male witnesses, regardless of the fact they are technically the same person. From another point of view, they are different enough to count as two different people. --2A02:C7D:4E64:9300:25C4:8408:8953:D539talk to me 19:16, April 11, 2018 (UTC)