User:SOTO/Forum Archive/The Panopticon/@comment-39450671-20200330222925

There's been a lot of discussion on the talk page of The Master on whether or not split it into incarnations, just like the Doctor, Romana, and the Eleven. The reasons are that the page got hard to navigate, obnoxiously big, heavy and confusing. That is my suggestion on what to do if we split it: We cannot number most of the incarnations. Even with the information we get in Prose: Girl Power, depending on how you interpret it, Missy may end up as either the 18th or 19th incarnation.

The only three incarnations we can number are:


 * The First Master: Audio: Destination War states that the Dreyfus incarnation was the first to use the name Master. Whether he is or not the first incarnation is unknown, but he is the First Master.
 * The Thirteenth Master: As clearly stated in TV: The Deadly Assassin and Audio: The Two Masters, Breeves/ Pratt incarnation is the Thirteenth and a separate incarnation from Delgado. Whether he is the Thirteenth to use the name Master is also unknown, but for convenience let's call him that since it is definitely the number of the incarnation.
 * The Fourteenth Master: At the end of Audio: Day of the Master, the Breeves incarnation regenerates into the McQueen incarnation.

Other things we know:
 * Regenerations we have seen: Delgado into an unknown incarnation, Breeves into McQueen, Titan Child War Master into the War Master, the War Master into Saxon, and the events that lead Saxon into Missy.
 * The Spymaster is a post-Time-War Master and certainly somewhere after Missy.
 * Delgado is somewhere between Dreyfus and Breeves.
 * Every Master between Breeves and McQueen is a stolen body with the Breeves incarnation inside and not a full-blown incarnation, as stated in Audio: Dust Breeding and Audio: Day of the Master. Those include, among others, Ainley, Tipple, and Roberts.
 * The Tzun Regeneration didn't work, the master was reverted to the Ainley body.

Things we don't know:
 * Since we haven't seen the McQueen incarnation regenerate into the Titan Child Master, so we cannot number the incarnations after him too.
 * All the incarnation between Dreyfus and Breeves, with the exception of Delgado.
 * If the War Chief is the Master. The accounts contradict each other.

So, to organize the Master pages I suggest the following template structure:


 * Widely accepted:
 * First regeneration cycle:
 * 1: Dreyfus and supposed earlier incarnations, such as the kid from the Sound of Drums;
 * Unknown: Unknown incarnations of the first cycle;
 * UNIT enemy: Delgado;
 * 13: Pratt/ Breeves when not possessing a body, includes John Smith persona, etc;
 * Bodies of the Thirteenth Master:
 * Tremas: Ainley, includes the Tzun incarnation since that didn't work out;
 * Dalek prisoner: Tipple and supposed other bodies between Ainley and Roberts;
 * Bruce: Roberts;
 * Other: Other bodies in the body-hopping period after Roberts;
 * Second regeneration cycle:
 * 14: McQueen;
 * Titan: Child War Master;
 * War Master: Jacobi;
 * Saxon: Simm;
 * Missy: Gomez
 * Spymaster: Dhawan;
 * More ambiguous:
 * The War Chief
 * Others that I may not remember.