User:SOTO/Forum Archive/The Panopticon/@comment-6032121-20200517150418/@comment-45692830-20200522035429

Actually, I had begun typing up my arguments for why Gallery obviously doesn't belong on this wiki before you made your post on the talk page. And I again explained why that's the proper place, as it's more likely to get attention, and not just us talking past each other. Also, I didn't transfer your comments, I quoted one comment for continuity (which isn't a violation of your rights, don't be hyperbolic). You then responded in a comment and then deleted both the comment you made as a response and the comment I placed for continuity.

I don't think it's unfair to say "I've been trying to start a discussion about it on Talk:Doctor Who: Lockdown! but he was resistant".

As for saying this thread isn't an inclusion debate for the webcast, this just beggars belief for you to say this now. This is after you brought it up in this thread, I pointed out it wasn't a story, you said it was anyhow (incorrectly), posted it to the wiki without asking for further discussion from this thread or the talk page, and then after this, while we were discussing its inclusion, brought it up again in this thread.

As for us not needing to speculate, it seems quite obvious. "Does it meet our criteria for validity? If so, it's not fanwork, by definition, and hence Cook endorsing it is a demarcating criterion given standards of validity also being met". (I'll note that I do not agree with this set of criteria but am merely explaining it.)

Given this dual set of criteria, where we can establish what is "Official Doctor Who stuff" by way of our validity standards" and what is "fan stuff" if it doesn't meet them, and then what is Lockdown! endorsed content by her using one of the relevant hashtags, we've created a nice little four quadrant graph. Which is what we've been saying the whole time. The "Lockdown! Doctor Who stuff" would be one quadrant of this graph. So to say that the hashtags are useless because they don't determine the quadrant as a sufficient and necessary condition in themselves is, uh, bizarre.

Edit: And politely, can you respond in one comment? As Shambala said above, this thread is getting needlessly convoluted with all of the posts.