Talk:Destination: Skaro (TV story)

Voice of Nyder
I guess nobody was credited for providing Nyder's voice. Is there any information online that could indicate who it was? If I had to guess, my bet would be on Nicholas Briggs, but that's pure speculation on my part.


 * The page claims Nicholas Briggs but provides no source? — Fractal Doctor @  19:31, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Why is everything in the wrong place?
Everything currently in the continuity section is formatted as, or outright should be in the notes section, but my attempts to move it to the correct section were quickly reversed. None of this is right. WaltK ☎  21:12, 17 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Actually it is correct. As per @Scrooge MacDuck's ruling on Forum:Non-valid Continuity sections, categories, and prefixes, an out of universe perspective should be used in continuity sections.


 * Continuity is firmly an out of universe concept so it makes no sense to write about it from an in-universe perspective. 23:10, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I still think it's a ludicrous notion, as continuity has always referenced in-universe events and been citated as such, and User:WaltK's confusion is just further proof as to why the decision should be reopened for evaluation.BananaClownMan ☎  22:28, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * That is not how T:BOUND works. A user not being up-to-date on what changes have been made is not proof that a change was bad. In any case OOU style for continuity sections has always been within policy, it's just that it existed in tandem with in-universe citations, while it's now the preferred form.


 * As the closing post explains, one of the main reasons for this change, and I think it's a very hard one to argue against, is that it is insane and confusing that the old style asked us to say things like "The Eleventh Doctor fights the Great Intelligence again and tells it about the London Underground. (TV: The Web of Fear)". Anywhere else on the Wiki, this would imply that "the Eleventh Doctor fights the Intelligence" was being cited to the source, which would be ludicrous. It's much clearer and less ambiguous to say "The Eleventh Doctor fights the Great Intelligence and tells it about the London Underground, which is a reference to this story's status as a prequel to TV: The Web of Fear". I really do not understand how anybody could think this is more confusing. Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 22:34, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

What if Davros saw the Fourteenth Doctor
It made me think. What if Davros saw the Fourteenth Doctor? How things mighta been if he saw him?

The "Next" Television Story
In the infobox, I disagree with the notion that the "Next" field for "Doctor Who television stories" should be "The Daleks in Colour". That's a wholly unrelated project, disconnected to the ongoing continuity of the main TV timeline with the 14th Doctor, etc. — Fractal Doctor @  01:43, 24 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Perhaps we should follow the The Night of the Doctor precedent? That is considered part of the 50th anniversary arc but separate from the then ongoing timeline of the 11th Doctor, and is therefore not counted in the Next/Previous fields for Doctor Who television stories. I'd agree that "The Daleks in Colour" should also be considered separate. BlueSupergiant ☎  01:49, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

I presume the secret gathering of select Wiki editors on the never-openly-advertised Doctor Who Discord server have already spent hours discussing the ins and outs of the rules anyway. 'Tis what it is. Shrug. — Fractal Doctor @  01:53, 24 November 2023 (UTC)


 * [Edit conflict]
 * The series field does say "Doctor Who television stories", not "Fourteenth Doctor television stories" or "Doctor Who television stories with an ongoing narrative" or something. If we're treating The Daleks in Colour as a brand new and distinct release from the original, then yes, by extension it deserves to be in the navigational field. 01:56, 24 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Valid point made by BlueSupergiant, I feel. — Fractal Doctor @  01:56, 24 November 2023 (UTC)


 * I, for the record, didn't know about how Night of the Doctor was treated but I definitely don't agree, as NotD does tie into the ongoing narrative. Not only did it set up the War Doctor, the novelisation of The Day of the Doctor incorporated the plot of NotD. 02:01, 24 November 2023 (UTC)


 * I always interpreted the primary "Doctor Who television stories" navigation track as being for TV stories with the "Story number" field in their infobox. Mini-episodes should still be represented in a secondary navigation path to indicate their release order among the full-length stories, though, and they should also be included on the "Production order" path when that knowledge is available. Borisashton ☎  02:13, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

I've always felt the main navigation should prioritize actual numbered stories, with some exceptions for things like Dimensions in Time and maybe Night. But I do not think that things like Born Again and Destination: Skaro meet that standard, much less Daleks in Colour. Next we'll be linking Shada (TV story) as the episode that released after The Doctor Falls.

This distinction hasn't been discussed much, and I'd encourage a forum about the topic. I think our "next/prev" system needs a bit of an overhaul. OS25🤙☎️ 05:05, 24 November 2023 (UTC)


 * We could perhaps add a different field for each option. But I'd support a forum thread. I'd also suggest that
 * the secret gathering of select Wiki editors on the never-openly-advertised Doctor Who Discord server have already spent hours discussing the ins and outs of the rules anyway
 * borders on a T:NPA/T:FAITH violation. Najawin ☎  07:46, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I agree that it should be given an overhaul. Because currently the navigation does strongly suggest that this is the ongoing narrative storyline being represented. Regardless of Epsilon’s suggestion, because frankly it doesn’t need to directly say something to be suggestive of it. Right now it’s very suggestive that The Daleks in Colour is the next story in the current Fourteenth Doctor's narrative. Danniesen ☎  09:24, 24 November 2023 (UTC)


 * I too agree that The Daleks in Colour should be treated as The Night of the Doctor was; a one-on treat for the anniversary specials released separately from the television series. BananaClownMan ☎  10:00, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Agreed with BananaClownMan, Danniesen and OS25 (the comparison to The Doctor Falls --> Shada is apt). I also agree a forum thread to iron out how to go about it would probably be more suitable than a singular talk page. — Fractal Doctor @  11:35, 24 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Upon thinking about it more, I can understand the aversion to putting The Daleks in Colour m in the infobox navigational field as it would lead to countless animations being sandwiched in other sources infoboxes. If it's okay be everyone else, I'll cede and remove it.
 * However, I do maintain that Night of the Doctor should be included in the infobox navigational fields as it is a prelude to The Day of the Doctor and is merged into the plot of the latter story in its subsequent novelisation. 02:21, 28 November 2023 (UTC)