Talk:Dalek

Representative choice of Dalek images?
I notice that this page currently features 10 images relating to the Daleks.

Nine of the ten are taken from the new (2005 onwards) series, with only one (a very early Dalek from the Dead Planet story, labled simply and not very helpfully as "A Pre-Time-War Dalek") coming from the original / "classic" series.

This doesn't seem to be very representative of Daleks as a whole, given their extremely long run of appearences over the last 47 years. While I realise that it might be argued that gradual changes in Dalek design may be best shown in the "Dalek Varients" entry (which actually only has one image, that of the "glass" dalek from Necros), it would seem to me that the "Dalek" entry should feature a least some Dalek images showing how they have appeared at various times in the show's history, for example one image showing the "shoulder ring" rather than "slats" design, one showing a 60's Dalek with slats, and at least one 70s and one 80s Dalek of some kind or other. Something of this nature would seem to better represent their continued role in the show.

Currently the choice of images is really very narrow. Apart form displaying a very notable bias toward current rather than historic images from the show, this isn't really very good form for an encyclopaedia entry. If you looked up something like "President of the United States" on wikipedia, you wouldn't expect to see 9 photos of the current president, one of Abraham Lincoln, and nothing else!

Mr Pepperpot 02:16, May 10, 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. Sadly I think that die-hard fans of the new series (who hate or are indifferent to the classics) have a slight monopoly on the main articles, which is a shame as it doesn't reflect the history of ths long-running show well. I think many new series fans will agree that we need to incorporate more of the old series in images because the show lasted for decades in that form, and the grey-black Daleks of the 80s are still the most icon, arguably. If people agree, I will start adding some old series images mainly from the 70s and 80s (as they are in colour more often) and some 60s. The Valeyard 10:12, April 17, 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism..?
I found this in the dalek article: "Brody IS THE PIG SLAVE KING" I took it out because, hey, what is THAT doing in there? -furbydude

No plunger?
just watched the stolen earth episode and I noticed some Daleks without plungers but with big egg whisks, is this noted here and if so should there be a pic. I'll leave a youtube link. The time it appears is around 1.25: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRVoMOHYr3c&feature=PlayList&p=22E45F75D0FAB59B&index=9 --Torchwood 2 15:52, 12 July 2009 (UTC)


 * You mean the Vault Daleks? -<Azes13 15:58, 12 July 2009 (UTC)


 * That would be the ones. --Torchwood 2 16:01, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Exterminate
Abschaffen Sie = German for Exterminate --Liquid Ink 10:55, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Conservapedia on Daleks
The following appeared on a previous version of the CP article on Daleks:

"The Dalek race is fiercely resistant to malign outside influence, and the purity of their race is of the utmost concern to them. The liberal BBC paint these characteristics in a most negative manner since the Daleks are essentially a conservative race."

(See comments on Wikipedia's CP article talk page) Jackiespeel 16:44, December 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * Wiki vandalism isn't really relevant. --Nyktimos 04:02, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

Mentioning it mainly to amuse. Jackiespeel 17:04, December 29, 2009 (UTC)

Eleventh Doctor Season
Looking at the trailor of the Eleventh Doctor, it does feature a return of the Daleks, i also saw what i thought was a Dalek with a white dome and a more decorative eyepiece, do you think it was an imperial Dalek? Sclera1 11:30, January 3, 2010 (UTC) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnPUF8an-XE Sclera1 11:31, January 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Imperial Dalek? Oh, this should be good. Now, if Gallifrey can survive the time war, what about Skaro? Or was it destroyed prior to the war? Miss. HAX 18:14, January 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * skaro seems to have survived in city of the daleks and there are a few refrences to it not being destroyedKingalien talk to me 09:02, October 25, 2011 (UTC)


 * Destroyed in Remembrance. Inexplicably undestroyed before the TV movie. I tend to ignore that, like most of the movie, but that's just me. Redestroyed in Time War. --Golden Monkey 19:03, January 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * I see resemblances in the new Dalek designs to the design in The Daleks, The Dalek Invasion of Earth and The Chase. Instead of the vertical plates on the mid-section there are horizontal plates, as in the early models. And the vertical strats in the 'neck' are not visible, also reminiscent of the first Dalek designs. I wonder if those early Daleks are the inspiration? Or maybe the Daleks in this story are in fact meant to be from the early history of Skaro. That would explain how yet another group of Daleks escaped the Time War and the DoctorDonna.--Exterminateallhumans 01:13, April 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * were did they get the kaled mutants for the new daleksKingalien talk to me 09:02, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

Green Dalek Vs. Bronze Dalek - Infobox image
A while back someone put this image:



Instead of this one



As far as i understand it, I'm guesing that this green Dalek is a special Dalek which has something to do with that episodes story line, and is not the new permanent design of the Dalek Race. I think that the green Dalek image should be put somewhere else in the article disussing the fact that they were present in WWII, and then wait until the episode is broadcasted to include more info. Until then, I think we should include the bronze image. Basically, my arguement in a nutshell is that the green Dalek has not been revealed to be the new design of the Dalek, but is probably a one-off design for that episode, and we should have the bronze one as the infobox picture. Comments? ---Si Iway amway Ichamousacoricothingmabobsay. http://images.wikia.com/tardis/images/e/e4/Si_HTL_Seal_Leader.PNG 15:41, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

here is the new style Daleks for Victory of the Daleks http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100412204442/tardis/images/7/7b/Newdalek.jpg

New Dalek design (Eleventh Doctor series)
Ew, no. Take your pick: they're clearly either Power Rangers or Gay Pride activists. The decision to redesign the Daleks is a step too far. Making the white Dalek the "Supreme" is just asking for it too. Old Daleks inferior? I think not -- Sorceror Nobody 19:06, April 17, 2010 (UTC)


 * If the orange one was purple instead they'd have been Pikmin Daleks! 68.36.232.73 02:30, April 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * I find your gay pride remarks offensive. Take your homophobic comments elsewhwere. Hell Kaiser ryo12 (Talk&bull;Contribs) 17:48, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * mighty morpihing dalek rangers
 * I am not homophobic, I am merely remarking that gay pride has the rainbow flag, and the Daleks have a range of colours. The "Ew, no" is directed at the new design (both the shape and the fact that they are so plastic-looking) and is not even remotely a comment about either the Power Rangers or Gay Pride. I should have chosen my words more carefully, and I apologise for the unintentional offence -- Sorceror Nobody 15:12, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Go Go Dalek rangers Imposter101 07:37, July 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, the new Daleks look quite a bit like the ones from that Doctor Who and The Daleks movie with Peter Cushing. 75.48.40.214 21:44, July 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, the original new series bronze Daleks look more like the ones from the Dalek movies. Compare: http://www.lobousland.com/Dalek/Images/Dalek2/Complete/Dalek2%20(6).JPG
 * The Daleks *are* supposed to look a bit cheesy, I mean, if DW got top grade effects, half the fun would kind of drain away. (And we'd all be scarred and nightmare ridden for the rest of our lives... :P) ♠ Time Lady River ♠ 01:52, July 13, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, so they're a bit more colorful than the ones we've seen the last few years. But before we condem them you should remember that the original ones were pretty much trash cans with a toilet plunger for an arm and lightbulbs on their heads, though i have to agree that they seem a bit too bright to be meglaomaniac mass murderers we should at least give them a couple more episodes to prove themselves as the Doctor's deadliest of deadly foes. Quetzatoul 08:18, February 16, 2011 (UTC)

The Name Game
Could we please only use "iornside" and "pargarotr" or what ever on the Victory of the daleks on on the Dalek page or big bang Joshoedit 08:03, November 15, 2010 (UTC)

victory of the daleks
so what is the significance to amy not remembering the dalek invasion?

do they end up in that big crack? and therefore have 'never existed'

City of the Daleks
There doesn't appear to be any information taken from The Adventure Games City of the Daleks, which we've been told is supposed to be considered canonical and just an additional episode of series 5/1/season 31/whatever you're going to call it. I think there needs to be some minor additions to the Anatomy:Mutant, and Dalek Technology sections. Currently the Anatomy: Mutant section reads "During WW II three Daleks managed to engage a Progenitor and create pure breed Dalek, their current appearance is unknown but presumably less mutated. (DW: Victory of the Daleks)" However, in City of the Daleks the new Dalek Emperor features a mutant that appears nearly identical to the new series mutants. The only difference is that the Emperor Mutant in City of the Daleks has 12 tentacles instead of the 11 seen on the Emperor in Parting of the Ways and Dalek Caan in The Stolen Earth/Journey's End, and the eye is centered on his body rather than slighty to the right. I propose the edited sentence read:

"During WWII three Daleks managed to engage a Progenitor and create pure Daleks, which appeared no different from the Dalek mutants seen from the episodes Dalek up through Journey's End, except for having an additional tentacle and more centered eye."

If somone knows how to rephrase "more centered" so that it sounds better, then that would be fine, but I think the mention that the mutant appears the same except for thtat one difference is necessary.

As for the addition to the technology section, I think it should be noted that the Doctor when in Kaalann remakrs, "It's like it read my mind. Dalek technology, wonderful. If only they didn't want to use it to kill everybody all the time." I would also add that this suggests that Dalek technology is at least slightly telepathic and does not differentiate between Dalek and alien minds.

Dalek reproduction
So how do the Daleks reproduce?

(And as a plot device - the Dalek go into a city and encounter a 'don't start from here' one way system and multiple roadworks.) Jackiespeel 13:45, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

In the original series it was implied that Daleks could duplicate themselves in an asexual way, akin to female Hammerhead Sharks in captivity who gets themselves pregnant. I don't remember which serial but in it, several new Dalek mutants were spawned from one and lifted out of the "mother's" casing to be put in one of their own. Though that was more of a mean to get more troops quickly, in general i assume that Daleks are grown in a breeding facility, i like to think of it as a vinyard-like place. Seems logical enough, don't it? Quetzatoul 12:41, February 27, 2011 (UTC)

im confused on how the new daleks get new kaled mutantsKingalien talk to me 09:05, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

Major/Minor Appearances?
On what basis has the appearance of the Daleks in "The Pandorica Opens" been placed in "Major Appearances?" They did nothing but say a few lines in that episode and we do not know to what extent they are involved in "The Big Bang". Are there rules for for what constitutes a Major versus Minor appearance I'm not aware of? EltharionDrax 13:06, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

Series 5 Daleks
What about the Ironside and "Victory of the Daleks" Daleks, aren't they notable members of the Dalek Race? ♠ Time Lady River ♠ 01:49, July 13, 2010 (UTC)

Mentions
I added a link to mentions of the Doctor on his page. I think the Daleks should have one too, as their list is quite large, almost as large as some characters which have pages for appearances. The Thirteenth Doctor 19:49, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

Blue
How can the Daleks distinguish rank based on color when they can only see blue?

In the syringe attachment, the substance that was injected into dalek Sec's casing was "Chromatin Solution" Sclera1 03:49, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

I think you have the wrong section.

Categories
Is there any particular reason why this article isn't in more categories? Enemies of the Doctor, the Cybermen, Torchwood, etc? Apologies if I'm missing some major aspect of site policy that I've overlooked. Bobby G 02:54, October 17, 2010 (UTC)

Original Time?
Considering that the show is almost all about time travel, and time travel is SO confusing, what time period/date (like year wise) are the Daleks actually from. Because I remember in Victory of the Daleks that the Supreme Dalek was talking about going into the future "back to their own time" but also since they were battleing in the Last Great Time War and that was 100's of years ago...... I'M SO CONFUSED!!!! lol ~Silence Will Fall Upon The TARDIS 20:59, November 13, 2010 (UTC)

Newer modles? surely if the realms of time and space have been twisted into this monstrosity there would be no old or new?

Typo I can't fix
Another locked page with a typo: "transendental" should be "transcendental". Flowtron 15:43, May 9, 2011 (UTC)

ThanksSkittles the hog-- Talk 15:56, May 9, 2011 (UTC)

Protected
Why is it protected? They're not returning, after Steven Moffat said he would give them a rest. Cortion 15:10, June 16, 2011 (UTC)

High traffic, and the potential risk of vandalism that brings. Even when they're off air, this article is still a popular page. It was protected for 1 year until the 18th May when it ran out. Skittles the hog-- Talk 16:28, June 16, 2011 (UTC)

Lousy Article Picture
I fail to understand why- after the episode with the Pandorica- some schmuck chose to replace perfectly good images of every Doctor Who creature and replace them with the crappy ones from the Pandorica, which are FAR from representative of those species.

I think that we should use the image from the "Dalek Variants" page on Wikipedia for the Profile on the Daleks as a race.

The "Nazi" analogy
I find this very interesting. Having recently rewatched the first Dalek story "The Daleks" (or "The Mutants") I was struck at how much that serial seems to be pro-National Socialist Germany. If anything, the Daleks represent another group of people entirely. This may not have been Nation's intention, but the parallels are overwhelming.

Okay, it's official: if someone reverts the image I added back to the crappy "new" version, I will delete all content from this page. I kid you not. I don't mean to be a tyrant, but I will do anything to maintain accuracy. ANYTHING. Seriously, it says so on my profile.
 * Please note that the administrative staff of this wiki takes a dim view of such bullying language, in obvious violation of our discussion policy, as well as the threats of vandalism. The above-named user has been barred from editing for over two weeks for this initial offence.  Please do remember to keep your cool while editing talk and forum pages.
 * 23:32: Thu 08 Dec 2011

WORST..MAIN PICTURE.. EVER.
I'm strongly advising that we use a gallery of all versions of the Daleks for the main picture, rather than the pathetic rag we have now. For one thing, the "New Daleks" are FAR from representative of the Dalek species as a whole, and to show only the models that have been around for 1 year (as opposed to the old models' 40+ year career) is an abomination.

Infobox pic
Well, even though he didn't want to sign his name to his expressions of distaste, above, Patrick Watt apparently doesn't like the current infobox pic here. Since he won't be with us until 1 January, though, I move that we pick up his work and discuss it. He's suggested the pic at right, though he was working on another. It seems to me that we need to decide on a number of things, inspired by Patrick's work:


 * 1) Do we approve, in general, of the idea of a collage?
 * 2) Are we, instead, happy with just the latest version of Daleks representing the race as a whole?
 * 3) If we want a collage, do we need all four of these — 60's, 70's/80's, RTD, Moffat?

Please note that I'm laying these questions before the community without bias. I don't care one way or the other. However, since Patrick won't be with us for a while, someone has to get the ball rolling. Please feel free to place your comments below.

23:21: Thu 08 Dec 2011

Approve
Not really an image taker, so I can't produce one myself, but I see no issue with collage images in principle. As a bare minimum I'd definitely include RTD and Moffat, but I'd probably count other eras of the show too. -- Tybort (talk page) 00:13, December 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * Although as a side-note I'd include the bronzey-gold model representing Davies' run, and definitely not the Ironside paint job (which are technically under Moffat's era with the New Dalek Paradigm. Also, I have a feeling that for uniformity's sake, it should either be all "crowds" or all "single Dalek", not a mixture like the current infobox image. Poor 60s and 80s Daleks are being squeezed off to the side. -- Tybort (talk page) 00:19, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with the collage idea, it helps represent all of the eras of the show, and breaks up te monopoly of the new images. That was another AMAZING message, from ME, InvaderMEEN!Contact me here! 12:52, December 13, 2011 (UTC)

I actually don't mind either way about the idea of a collage and think whether it works or not basically comes down to the choice of images in the collage, poor choices would look bad, good choices would look great. However, I do think that it is important to depicit the various models of Dalek that have appeared on screen (and ideally in other media as well) *somewhere* on the page. If that means in the info box, fine. if it is in the body of the text, that works too. Personally I'd be happy enough with the latest Dalek design in the info box (even though I'm not a fan of the design) as long as other designs are well represented elsewhere on the page.

I'd quite like to see a sort of informal policy of using pictures/photos in a way that actually represents the number of appearences throughout the show (and to a lesser extent spin-off media). So for example if Monster X appeared 10 times in the "classic" show and twice in the "new series", there should on balance probably be more photos from the classic show than the new series. In the case of the Daleks, they appeared on-screen in Dalek-based stories (not cameos) I think 4 times with the 1st Dr, 2 with the 2nd Dr, 3 or 4 with the 3rd Dr (depending on how you view Frontier in Space), 2 with the 4th Dr, 1 with the 5th Dr, 1 with the 6th Dr, 1 with the 7th Dr, (at a push, voice only in a cameo) 1 with the 8th Dr, 2 with the 9th Dr, 3 with the 10th Dr and so far 1 with the 11th Dr (I suppose 2 if you count the adventure games). I'm not suggesting that each story has to have a picture of a Dalek on this page (on that story's own page would be good though) but the main "Dalek" page should display a range of images of Daleks from different eras. Based on my list above, the Daleks had about 12 major appearences in the "classic" show and so far 6 in the "new series" (although most of these featured identical time-war design Daleks). On that basis "classic" Dalek images should outnumber "new series" Dalek images by about 2 to 1 in order to actually represent their role in the show as a whole. At the very least the page should not be dominated by images of the "new series" Dalek designs (ditto with pages for other "returning" monsters such as the Silurians & Sontarans).

Can't sign in as I'm on a different PC but user ID is "Mr Pepperpot"92.18.17.132talk to me 19:13, January 9, 2012 (UTC)

Against
I feel a bit like we've done the collage a little bit to death.

We've got it for Rassilon, the Master and the Doctor and some people seem to have decided that's "how" we do images now for stuff that spans across all of Doctor Who.

I am against a collage, partially for this reason and for reasons related to the Master and Doctor discussions. There are too many depictions of the Daleks to do them justice in a collage. With not just the TV depictions there's also all the comic story depictions (TVC and DWM) plus the Annuals and anything else.

I think a single Dalek image or a group of Daleks image should be used for the infobox, but not a montage of them. As we do for other species pages. --Tangerineduel / talk 14:57, December 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't feel too strongly either way, but I agree with most of the points Mr Duel has raised. I never thought that the single image was not adequate and so see no reason to change it.-- 16:27, December 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm going to nominally side with Skittles and Tangerineduel here. I think that Tybort's reservations have sorta proven the point: it's hard enough to decide on one image to represent the species; finding three or four representative images is going to be extremely difficult.  As he's pointed out, do we want all individuals or all groups?  If you went for all groups, you'd end up sacrificing the kind of detail that a single pic could provide.  Daleks, it seems to me, haven't varied that much in their designs.  A Dalek taken from any story is actually representative of the species as a whole. The fundamentals of Dalek design are fairly inviolate.


 * Having said that, I think that the current picture — that is, Pandorica-Spoilers-4.jpg — should be disqualified on the grounds that it's a promotional shot, and therefore violates T:DWUP. So in my view, we need another single picture.


 * Though there are numerous possibilities, this is one case where I think we can break the logjam by going for an unusual source. Since the dispute on this talk page has long raged about whether we should use BBC Wales or Television Centre Daleks, I say we choose neither.  Instead, I think the primary image should be taken from the TV21 comics or the Dalek annuals.  That is, we should go for the Daleks from a more purely Terry Nation source, rather than using a Doctor Who image. There are plenty of gorgeous, full-colour, painted Daleks from which to choose.   20:43: Sat 10 Dec 2011


 * Sounds like a good idea. Here's a couple of suggestions then from TV21: --Tangerineduel / talk 15:59, December 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * So, we'll add the Zeg and the Emperor pic then? --Tangerineduel / talk 15:00, December 16, 2011 (UTC)


 * Let's give it a week and await any further discussion/suggestions. Remember to check user talk:Patrick Watt, too.  06:37: Sat 17 Dec 2011


 * It's been a week, so I'm gonna go on ahead and change it. --OS24 02:31, December 25, 2011 (UTC)

Images
I have noticed, as others have also on this page, that there is a lack of Dalek images on this page that are non-new series. I also noticed that most non-new series images came from Remembrance of the Daleks. I have began a hunt for older images to use on the page to try and remedy this problem. OS25 (talk to me.) 13:25, December 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * There, I think that I have successfully created a more varied-set of images. How does it look? --OS25 (talk to me.) 20:29, December 27, 2011 (UTC)

Stairs
I haven't seen all Dalek episodes, so I could easily be shot down here, but just to clarify have the pre-flight Daleks ever actually been stopped by stairs (as opposed to climbing out of ducts) in any episode? It sounds like something mostly only seen in parody. -- Tybort (talk page) 16:59, January 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * In Destiny of the Daleks, Tom Baker escaped from a Dalek by climbing up a ladder. OS25 (talk to me, baby.)