User:SOTO/Forum Archive/The Panopticon/@comment-45692830-20200511054726/@comment-45692830-20200513022920

User:SOTO/Forum Archive/The Panopticon/@comment-45692830-20200511054726/@comment-45692830-20200513022920 Let's clarify something here. If we see an opaque blender, a character put things into it, and then take something out, how should we write that article?

Blender
SOTO put ice, milk, and fruit into a blender and blended them together to make a smoothie in The No Real World Conundrum.

Or:

Blender
SOTO put ice, milk, and fruit into a blender and then removed a smoothie in The No Real World Conundrum.

Behind the Scenes
The blender was used to blend the ingredients to make a smoothie.

Strictly speaking if I know enough about real world entities to write titles but not enough to write articles about them, it should be the latter. I don't know that blenders act by blending things, so if I can't actually see the blender doing that, as it's opaque, it could be doing anything, for all I know. The toaster issue mentioned above returns with a vengeance, just in a slightly different form. We've suddenly lost all forms of object permanence if there's any change of state.

There's just a massive ambiguity here as to how much information is too much, and by the strict wording of T:NO RW things should be very different than they currently are.