Talk:List of BBC DVD releases/Archive 1

Colour Coding
I was just looking through the list and thought that it would be helpful if the boxes were pastelled coloured, eg. red for new series, yellow for classic series, blue for SJA, and green for Torchwood. I just think it makes it easier to get a rough idea of many of each are out. I was looking at 2009/10 and thought it'd be very helpful to identify the Classic DVD amongst the 2009 Specials, Compilations and sspin-offs. Taccer 07 12:22, November 8, 2009 (UTC)

suggested title change
no article for "BBC DVD releases" or "List of BBC DVD releases" exists as yet so I suggest one of those as the title, which I consider more explanatory than the current title for this article. I did change the title of this article today, then the title got reverted. --Stardizzy2 03:13, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

I don't think a separate article is necessary, any more than we need two articles for BBC Video and BBC Video Releases. Doug86 04:09, 21 November 2008 (UTC)


 * For now I think we don't need a separate 'List of' article. I don't see that there is enough information on BBC DVD (as a whole) to justify moving it. Any information that is around can go at the top of the article as an introduction. --Tangerineduel 13:13, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

2Entertain/Woolworths
As far as I am aware, the BBC purchased Woolworths share of the company after they had gone into administration, making the BBC full owners of 2Entertain. I do not have any evidence however, so have not added anything to the main article page.
 * Geek Mythology 19:55, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I've been looking for something definitive on this for a few weeks now. The best I can come up with is that the sale has not, in fact, gone through. BBCW offered 100m at first, then cut it radically to 40m in late December, which the Woolie administrators rejected as what it was: a ridiculous insult. The 2 entertain website still says as of today that Woolies is a part owner, even though they've been trying to sell it since at least May of 2008. The reason it's taking so long seems to be because the value of the company is highly speculative. One of the big unknowns is how much 2 entertainment Video's products are worth as distributed on the internet. Given the insulting 40m bid, and the relative profitability of that li'l section of the former Woolie's empire, the administrators seem keen to wait and see what kind of genuine worth the online sector has.


 * If you ask me, BBCW simply overplayed their hand. They had Woolies on the carpet, and they kicked 'em in the teeth. If they'd just maintained the 100m bid, or maybe gone slightly lower, the deal would be done. But to go down to 40m, well, that was a tactical error. Clearly, their 40% stake is worth more than 40m, if only because the value of the company as a whole is more than 100m.


 * Any actual sale is probably going to break first and most reliably at Business Week's private companies profiles, so keep your eye there. At the end of the day, thoguh, it doesn't matter all THAT much to the daily operations. BBCW is majority owner now; they don't technically need Wollies' percentage for anything having to do with day-to-day operations of the company. And BBCW hold the right to buy the Woolies stake ahead of anyone else. So a bidding war can't really happen. If another company swoops in and offers 200m, BBCW still have the right to purchase at that price. So, unless some mysterious bidder offers some absolutely ridiculous price, BBCW will eventually end up with the whole thing.


 * Which kinda sucks, to be honest. It was almost certainly a better company when it was the mixture of a strong retailer and a strong television producer.  Czech Out  ☎ | ✍ 16:31, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Missing Stories
Missing stories occasionally creep into the "Still To Be Announced" section of this page. As it is extremely unlikely that there would be a DVD issued for any completely missing story or any story that is included in the "Lost in Time" set I feel that adding them is merely wishful thinking and perhaps should be discouraged.

Netrhino 17:24, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree a link to Missing episodes is the better way to go, however I reworded the link as the original version was unnecessarily defeatest. Aside from the fact missing episodes still turn up from time to time, the idea of animating being "too expensive" is a fallacy now that we have people doing such things for free on YouTube that frankly look superior to the restored Invasion episodes. It's only a matter of time. And there's also always the chance BBC Video, especially when they get near the end of available complete stories, could always simply obtain the Loose Cannon restorations or similar projects. Not saying any of this is guaranteed, mark you, but "never say never" is definitely the order of the day. 23skidoo 15:05, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Half Destroyed Stories
Is it really nessecary to have this included in the article, the information is already covered in the relevant articles Bigshowbower 05:18, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

2010 and Onwards
I would like to know what evidence supports the likeliness of the releases of Planet of the Spiders, The Masque of Mandragora and Silver Nemesis I can understand Revenge of the Cybermen as it would complete Season 12.
 * Please sign your comments. As for the likeiness of releases, I'm unaware of any barriers preventing their release. They're complete stories. People involved in making them are still alive and available for commentaries. There's probably a load of deleted footage for Silver Nemesis (maybe enough to create an extended version). It's only a matter of time till they are released. Same with any other complete stories. BBC Video has stated they plan to release them all eventually. And by then it'll be so cheap to animate the missing episodes they'll just move on to those. 23skidoo 15:08, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Steve Roberts has specifically said that The Mind of Evil is being held back to the end of the range; color recovery has not worked adequately for all episodes. So could someone put it back on the list of unannounced titles? - KissTheZygon, April 27, 2010

The good news: The R1 edition of "The Sarah Jane Adaventures" -- Series Three (with David's last appearance as the Doctor) has an official release date. it is January 4th, 2011. Check the official site, and check out davidtennantfan.com Janeeyre16

Split Articles.
I propose two new articles. Both of which would lessen the load on the 'List of BBC DVD Releases'.

The first would be similar. Only detailing the list of Australian DVD's. This would be to make the original page more tidy. And the new article could go into greater detail about our schedule.

The second proposed article is a List of rumoured DVD releases. As we all know that all complete episodes will one day be released, this page could be done in the form of a list with each episode, followed by their individual status. (eg: Lost, reconstruction rumoured, commentry recorded) This would allow for the clutter at the bottom of the current page to vanish and be replaced by an orderly system.

If anyone would care to help me build these pages, or offer any suggestions, please feel free to contact me.

Regards,

D.M.J--D.M.J 10:49, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Im sorry but I have to disagree with the Australian Release List, it would be a carbon copy of the present list. The dates for releases would be better placed in the articles relating to the story. The rumours well there arent that many rumour releases that would warrant a single page. I dont really see the point in spliting the articles when a bit of work could be done Bigshowbower 11:28, 11 August 2009 (UTC)


 * The Australian (Region 4) releases could be split off to their own article, as could the US DVD releases. For the Australian DVD releases I can't seem to confirm or deny whether they use the same catalogue numbers as the UK releases. As at the moment the suggestion is they have the same catalogue number as their UK counterparts. However the catalogue numbers for other countries' releases and release dates are probably just as easily and best placed on the TV story articles in question.
 * "As we all know"? Who is we? If it's statements like this justifying the creation of an article then the article shouldn't be created. Real world pages that are listing things that have not happened need sources of information to back them up.
 * The 'clutter' at the bottom of the page is a list, which is what this article is. Shifting the list around would still make it a list. If it really is seen to be trouble it could be shifted to a sub-page of this article. --Tangerineduel 15:45, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Split articles: Furthur discussion
Hello again.

Firstly, the 'we' I mentioned before, refers to the general Doctor who fandom community. It has been stated numerous times by Dan Hall and 2Entertain that they'll release every story possible.

As I have little time to work on the disputed article in question, I am aware that they need sources, and where available I will obtain them. However I don't have that much free time on my hand to work on the article. Which is why I have welcomed others to come forward and edit the page.

I've only created this page to clarify what is confirmed information, and what is pure speculation. Not as a base of more rumours. However, if you're willing to let the 'future DVD releases' article merge into the main article, then I am willing to agree to that. May I suggest that the three sub-articles '2010 and beyond', 'DVD's that are yet to be announced' and 'Re-releases are all put together in the same fashion that I had planned for the article in question.

I hope that we have come to a suitable conclusion on this debate in which both sides are satisfied.

Now, moving onto the other subject: a seperate list of Australian DVD releases, and therefore a list of American DVD releases.

Although not released out of order, the release schedule for Australia is very different with just one classic release at the beginning of each month, with new series DVD's released shortly after they screen here. With 2Entertain's accelerated release schedule, Australia (already being 2-3 months behind) stands to become even more set back.

As for the matter of catalouge numbers. Delta and the bannerman, released here on the 6th of August has the catalouge number R-B01730-9.

However, on a second thought and upon observation of Wikipedia's similar (But often incorrect) list, a table may work much better and allow space for all 3 main markets to be covered. This could still be done by order of release, followed by the proposed list of future DVD release speculation clarification.

The only problem that I can see with this is; I've never seen a table on this site. Is a table of released DVD's followed by their regional release dates possible.

Thank you so very much for your time and I hope for your reply in due course.

Kind Regards,

D.M.J Long


 * 'The general Doctor Who fandom community'? That's a very big group to try and speak for. (How incidentally do you know we all know this about the DVD releases, that's a pretty big assumption about a very large community)


 * But how do you define what is pure speculate and what is confirmed information if there are no sources (hence the prop delete, this is an article of nothing until it has sources).


 * What information would be merged, this article has a bit of information copied from the Missing episodes article and some from the 'Still to be announced' list at the bottom of the List of BBC DVDs article, there isn't anything tangible that would need to be copied that isn't better covered in the separate articles that allow for better context.


 * That would I think be too many sub-pages. The 2010 information can stay on the current article as we're only quickly leading up to 2010, but the 2010 listings can be cleared up come what.
 * Some re-releases have already been confirmed in DWM.

DVDs yet to be announced could be in a sub-page, but looking at the list, it's good to have all the information on a list article, being that's what it's called on the title of the page. --Tangerineduel 17:30, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Re-releases.


 * This was confirmed in DWM 414.

Regions
Just wondering why is Region 2 the first column, instead of in the middle of the region 1 and region 4 columns? Bigshowbower 10:59, December 11, 2009 (UTC)


 * It does look a little odd in its current layout, but I'd hazzard a guess it comes from that Region 2 (UK) is released first, followed by Region 4 (Australia/NZ) then Region 1. Which would make some sense if all the Region columns were next to each other, I'd further guess that the layout prior to the column arrangement had Region 2 first and the other regions below it. --Tangerineduel 11:52, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

I have to also voice my concern about Region 2 being listed on the left side. For one thing it does look like an error. Someone reading the list would expect to see Region 2 listed between 1 and 4. And, in fact, I very nearly posted a note here asking "Why isn't Region 2 listed?" because it really does seem out of place. Also, while the UK is Doctor Who's home base, there have been occasions in which a release has occurred in Region 1 first, so to emphasize Region 2 I think is not necessarily 100% appropriate. I'm going to leave this untouched at my end as others are "nursemaiding" this listing, but I strongly recommend it be reformatted so that Region 2 is, at the very least, on the right hand side of the title where people will expect to find it. 23skidoo 19:54, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

Addition to 2010 possible releases
Tom Baker reported on his November newsletter (http://www.tom-baker.co.uk/pages/content/index.asp?PageID=180) that he, Louise Jamieson, and Micheal Keaton recorded a commentry for the Sun Makers. Which could be a precursor to release.


 * Commentaries being recorded do not necessarily mean a DVD release is imminent. There have been a number of occasions where the commentary was recorded years before the DVD was released. Also, please remember to sign all posts with . Tardis1963 21:30, April 27, 2010 (UTC)

Australian R4 Release Date Updates
I realise I'm unable to edit the page so perhaps you could ammend the list with the following 2010 R4 release dates accordingly. I work at JB Hi-Fi and you can also verify these dates on the EzyDVD website: 121.44.225.231 14:46, July 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * The Creature from the Pit (29/06/2010)
 * Kamelion Tales Boxset (05/08/2010)
 * The Dominators (02/09/2010)
 * Doctor Who - The Complete Specials Boxset (5 Disc) (29/06/2010)
 * Doctor Who - Series 5: Volume 1 (29/06/2010)
 * Doctor Who - Series 5: Volume 2 (05/08/2010)
 * Doctor Who - Series 5: Volume 3 (02/09/2010)
 * Torchwood: Series 1-3 Boxset (05/08/2010)

I'm wondering when Region 4 will be updated because most of the above have been released here. This is what's on the EzyDVD site (not including Torchwood or Sarah Jane Adventures as I didn't look them up): -Angeloz 123.2.138.148 14:49, August 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * The Creature from the Pit (29/6/2010)
 * Kamelion Tales Boxset (4/8/2010)
 * The Dominators (2/9/2010) (not released)
 * Revenge of the Cybermen/Silver Nemesis (7/10/2010) (not released)
 * Doctor Who - The Complete Specials (29/6/2010)
 * Doctor Who - Series 5: Volume 1 (29/6/2010)
 * Doctor Who - Series 5: Volume 2 (4/8/2010)
 * Doctor Who - Series 5: Volume 3 (2/9/2010) (not released)
 * Doctor Who - Series 5: Volume 4 (7/10/2010) (not released)

Thank you Mennenennen! -Angeloz 123.2.138.148 13:02, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

I hate to be picky but the Complete Specials Boxset still isn't listed for Region 4 also a couple of the dates are wrong as they are listed as the same as Region 1. They aren't:


 * Doctor Who - The Complete Specials Boxset (29/6/2010 or 1/7/2010)*

[*The first date listed is when available at a store (Ezy DVD) the second is when it was officially available.] -Angeloz 123.2.138.148 00:08, September 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * Doctor Who - The Creature from the Pit (29/6/2010 or 1/7/2010)*
 * Kamelion Tales Boxset (4/8/2010 or 5/8/2010)*

I've noticed Torchwood - Series 1-3 also hasn't been updated for Region 4 it was available 4/8/2010 at Ezy DVD (see their site) or on 5/8/2010 officially. -Angeloz 123.2.138.148 00:35, September 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * I finally noticed your corrections and have fixed them accordingly. Sorry for having taken so long! Thanks for pointing all these out. Mennenennen 08:10, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * No worries and thank you for updating the information. :) I hope you don't resent me but I've noticed other things that need updating. Mainly Torchwood but also I'd like to point out that Sarah Jane Adventures have had exclusive releases to the ABC Shop (look at their website) and those are the ones you've listed here. But supposedly (I rarely shop but when I did I couldn't find it) they have released Series 1 as a general release in 2010. Here they are:
 * No worries and thank you for updating the information. :) I hope you don't resent me but I've noticed other things that need updating. Mainly Torchwood but also I'd like to point out that Sarah Jane Adventures have had exclusive releases to the ABC Shop (look at their website) and those are the ones you've listed here. But supposedly (I rarely shop but when I did I couldn't find it) they have released Series 1 as a general release in 2010. Here they are:

Sorry the above just wouldn't edit properly and the [*] is the first date is Ezy DVD that lists things as they recieve them and the second date is JB Hi Fi that lists the official release [**] the Exclusive release was to the ABC Shop and the other two dates are Ezy DVD and JB Hi Fi as per the other listings. -Angeloz 123.2.138.148 18:24, October 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Torchwood - Series 1 Part 1 (31/7/2007 or 1/8/2007)*
 * Torchwood - Series 1 Part 2 (6/9/2007 or 5/9/2007)*
 * Torchwood - Series 1 Part 3 (2/10/2007 or 3/10/2007)*
 * Torchwood - The Complete First Series (11/2/2008 or 6/2/2008)* Blu-ray (1/10/2009)
 * Doctor Who - Infinite Quest (5/6/2008)
 * Sarah Jane Adventures - The Complete First Series (Exclusive in June 2009 and a general release 5/1/2010 or 7/1/2010)** -Angeloz 123.2.138.148 18:17, October 6, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you again for updating the above. :) I can now tell you that three more DVD and/or Blu-ray releases have been listed - Revisitations 1, The Seeds of Doom and Series 5 Box set on 2 December 2010. All three are listed on the EzyDVD website and two of them on JB Hi Fi. -Angeloz 123.2.138.148 11:37, October 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Updated, thanks for letting me know. :) Mennenennen 11:57, October 19, 2010 (UTC)

I've spotted Meglos at Devoted DVD (www.devoted.com.au) listed for 20 January 2011. You could double check that this week or next at another site. As they'll probably update soon especially Ezy DVD. -Angeloz 123.2.138.148 18:10, October 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * How do you get rid of the indentation (for the above)? -Angeloz 123.2.138.148 11:44, November 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * I always edit in source mode and there it's just a case of removing a colon or two (like I just did with your edit). Anyway, date for Meglos added.Mennenennen 09:27, November 3, 2010 (UTC)

Invasion of the Dinosaurs
I could not help but notice this in 'Invasion of the Dinosaurs' page under DVD Release:

"Episode 1 of this story is currently unavailable in colour but in March 2008 the BBC announced it was investigating technology to return this episode to colour. It is now also going to be released onto DVD in 2010."

Is there any confirmation of this going to be released in 2010, if so, this should be listed in the 2010 release area with question mark, right?

list ofdvd releases
was it a typo or or did i only get 3 disks in my in my series 2 sarah jane adventures set216.227.119.235 01:39, August 12, 2010 (UTC)doctor scarecrow

2011
I hope I'm not considered naughty for creating this but I also hope this'll be used for other 2011 problems as well as the one I'm bringing up. Basically I'd like to point out that Region 4 in 2011 is up to date or will be except for Sarah Jane Adventures (in Australia). The doubling will occur in 2010 with Revisitations 1 and The Seeds of Doom in December. Unless there's a surprise release for Region 2. So thought I'd point out the problem and maybe someone with more experience can fix it as currently it states both Region 1 & 4 will be doubling up releases in 2011. Not quite right (although I'm not sure about New Zealand as they can be about a month behind). Plus I'm just not sure how it would be worded i.e. the fix. -Angeloz 123.2.138.148 16:55, October 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Psst, there's a 2010/2011 typo on the Christmas episode. ;) Plus thanks for the above edits and updates. -Angeloz 123.2.138.148 21:56, November 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * I've seen dates for The Ark and the Mara Tales (separate stories) in Region 1 at Amazon and for the later the BBC America Shop. Although they conflict for one of the serials. They're also listed at Wikipedia. -Angeloz 123.2.138.148 16:38, December 18, 2010 (UTC)

Some Missing Episodes are being released as animations
Hi, I heard from my friend who is in the department that recovers and reanimates lost or misplaced episodes of television programs for the Beeb and he said their was going to be an animation team to recreated the missing episodes of Marco Polo. However, I cannot find any source on the internet or elsewhere of this. Does anyone else knows a website of official magazine which will tell me some more information about these 'recreations'. I just want all the doctor whos on dvd whether its original motion pictures of recreated in animations. I have some of said animations already for Patrick Throughtons reign (second doctor) and the boxset 'Lost in time' of which has a few of these too. Thanks. TheArtistBox 12:43, April 17, 2011 (UTC)

Space & Time
Were the Space and Time mini episodes released as part of "A Christmas Carol" or "Series 6 part 1"? 165.228.203.166 01:13, July 17, 2011 (UTC)


 * Neither. They aired after "A Christmas Carol was released" and "Series 6 part 1" is very lacking in special features. 203.45.112.118 03:35, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

BBC DVD
This is a list of the BBC DVD releases. Should the title of the page therefore the be changed (to something more generic such as "Doctor Who related DVD releases") or should the NA-only releases of The Key to Time and the forthcoming complete David Tennant box set be removed to a separate list since neither is actually a BBC release?Gallicus 21:00, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * If the BBC offends people then the simplest change would be to get rid of it and have it be List of DVD releases. I'd like it either way although I don't mind the BBC being there and could miss it. Please don't go too overboard with any name change. And make sure there's a link to the BBC one so people that have it bookmarked can still find it please. -Angeloz 123.2.138.148 12:56, August 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well considering they're released by BBC America I fail to see the problem. 203.45.112.118 03:38, August 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well considering they're released by BBC America I fail to see the problem. 203.45.112.118 03:38, August 8, 2011 (UTC)