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Cybermen
I've done it after the discussion at Talk:Cybermen. I don't see how they can be considered "entirely different" anymore. And Mondasian Cybermen are definitely not any more notable than Cybus Cybermen according to this wiki's policy. The main page should either be an overview of both types of Cybermen, like now, or a disambiguation page. Ausir(talk) 05:19, June 15, 2011 (UTC)

Nice Job, RiverLover
Good job on the River Song page. I like your photo you added. Keep it up! Chris! 22:16, August 27, 2011 (UTC)

category:season 6b
Hi :) Thanks for your efforts to add categories.  However, please do not add categories which do not apply to the entire contents of a work.  The Short Trips collections to which you've been adding Category:Season 6B do not contain only stories set in 6B, making the category you wish to apply inappropriate.   I have rolled back the few of your efforts that were immediately apparent to me.  However, if you can think of other instances where you've similarly added this (or similar) cats, I'd appreciate it if you'd roll them back yourself.  It's very important that we maintain a clean and accurate category tree on this wiki.  Thanks!  :)  00:17:57 Sun 28 Aug 2011

Please don't make frivolous edits just to get Achievements
Hey, the Achievements thing is brand new, so we're all just trying to understand how it all works. Still we do have some rules in place at tardis:achievements policy. Please make sure you read and understand these.

The important point of those rules is that we want to avoid making edits just to get awards. It's pretty obvious that your message on user talk:Skittles the hog wasn't a real attempt at communicating, but rather so that you would get the Churchill award and thereby pass Skittles for the night. I mean, you didn't even sign the post, which is required under tardis:discussion policy.

Now of course it's cool in the first day or two to test things out. But I just wanted to make sure you understand that the point of Achievements is to encourage genuine editing that makes the site better.

Thanks for editing with us today, and I hope you continue enjoying Achievements! 03:35:35 Sun 28 Aug 2011

Note to Self
The Amateur

Pictures
Hi :) Thanks very much for your recent picture uploads. A couple of points, though, that will improve your contributions in future.
 * We don't allow the .gif format. At all.  Please don't upload this format in future.  Any current .gif-formatted pictures that you may have uploaded are subject to immediate deletion.
 * All pictures must have an image license attached. We recognise that the new editing page that Wikia dumped on us yesterday allows you upload a picture in a way that bypasses the normal upload page altogether, and so you may not even see the licensing drop-down menu.  Until we can get this corrected, we recommend that you only upload through Special:Upload or Special:MultipleUpload, so that you have convenient access to the licensing drop-down. (Both of these pages are linkable on the user toolbar which strips along the bottom of every page.  Also, the "add a photo" button in the right column of most pages links to Special:Upload.)  Images without licenses are subject to automatic deletion by bot through a routine process which is not monitored by a human being.

If you haven't done so, please consult tardis:image use policy for a more complete list of policies affecting image uploads and use. Thanks :) 12:09:17 Thu 08 Sep 2011


 * Okay, you've had the nice warning. Do not continue uploading .gif files.-- 15:01, September 10, 2011 (UTC)

It appears the image I was referring to was anomalous.-- 15:05, September 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * Hello again. I note that you have today uploaded yet another image without a copyright license: file:Silurian.jpg.  I do thank you for helping us with our project, but copyright templates are very important.  You cannot continue to "forget" putting them on.  Remember, we do not own' these images.  We have a duty to give a picture's copyright status if we want to seriously maintain any sort of "fair use" argument.


 * Please do not upload any more images without ensuring that one of our copyright templates is attached.  06:58:02 Mon 12 Sep 2011


 * Thank you very much for your recent efforts to add copyright templates to your uploads! It seriously frees up time the admin staff can then use on other matters.   20:49:58 Thu 15 Sep 2011

Categories
Please do not add the category Uncanon stories to articles. For starters, uncanon isn't word, but more importantly, each of the articles you added it to was already categories under non-canonical stories, so I'm not sure why you were doing this. In future, please ensure you are not adding unnecessary categories. Thanks-- 14:33, September 12, 2011 (UTC)

Well, yes, I did relise this after a little while. The cofusion was caused by, and you can check this for truth, that I was editing The Invasion of Bash Street when I noticed that there was no Category on it for the fact that it was uncanon (other than the parodies and pastiches category) so I typed in Un canon (yes, I was not ware that it wasn't a word) and found no Category's for it. Thus, I decided to create one. Once I relised that there was already a Non-Canon Catigory, however, I ceased adding pages to it. OttselSpy25 00:09, September 13, 2011 (UTC)

Nice Badges

MM/ Want to talk? 23:05, October 1, 2011 (UTC)

GREETINGS
Hi, I'm Patrick Watt, Esquire... whatever that means. I'm delighted to make your acquaintance, provided you've read this message, which, as per my pessimistic nature, I've already assumed is a "no".

But... what was I talking about? Oh, yes, I was asking if you like South Park. I'm assuming that based on your avatar. Well, do you? What are your favorite TV shows?

file:500.jpg
There are several flawss in the upload named above. First of all, it violates the tardis:Manual of Style and tardis:image use policy by being a colour photo of the black and white era. Because it's in colour, that means it can't possibly be a screenshot. It's therefore a publicity shot and out of universe. Therefore it can't be used to illustrate an in-universe page like 500 year diary. The only page this particular image could possibly be placed is Patrick Troughton. Because it's a publicity image — and again, we know this because it's a colour pic from the black-and-white era — the only place you can put it is on the page of the actor seen in the photo. However, shots of the actor in costume are not particularly desirable on out-of-universe actor pages, as we generally want to see the actor out of costume and makeup — in their street clothes, really.

So I'm deleting the pic.

More importantly, however, it's really important that you put not just any copyright template on your files, but the correct one. You called this pic an image from a comic book, which it clearly isn't. I thought that you were beginning to understand our image licensing policy, but it appears you're just trying to technically satisfy the requirement, withotu actually caring so much about accuracy. These copyright templates also add a category to a file. If you put the wrong template on the file, it will go into the wrong category, which makes it harder to maintain the database. I urge you to please take copyright templates seriously, if you wish to retain the privilege to upload photos here. 04:05: Tue 11 Oct 2011

Sorry, I got so used to uploading Comic files that I seem to accidentialy put that category on alot. I've done it before, but gone in and fixed it, however it seems I have forgotten this time. Sorry for the confusion, I'll try and do better next time. --OttselSpy25 talk to me 12:42, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

Block
Sorry about this, but I have to block you so that I can be sure that you have read and will understand the following. You must be dreading to see my name on your talk page already, but this is really important. I've just noticed that you have a very unconventional editing syntax that's literally destroying the fabric of the wiki.

Here's a snippet from your merry little edit war over at Doctor Who: Destiny of the Doctors
 * This story takes place somewhere in between DW: The Android Invasion and The Leisure Hive.

You cannot edit this way. I'm not quite sure where you picked up this style, but it completely goes against fundamental wiki markup. You should be linking using the following:

That's it! Isn't that a lot easier? Unless you use standard wiki markup, it's impossible for bots to find and properly change linked text. So you must use standard wiki markup. Your block allows you to edit this page. Please acknowledge that you have read and understood this message, and that you are willing to edit here using only standard wiki markup. If you do not acknowledge this message in 24 hours, your block will be extended indefinitely, until you do promise that you'll use standard linking syntax.
 * This story takes place somewhere in between DW: The Android Invasion and The Leisure Hive.

Hate to come down so harshly but your current style of editing is really quite destructive. I know, of course, that you didn't mean to do anything wrong — I certainly don't think you're a vandal or anything — but I still can't let you edit further unless you agree to standard markup. 04:56: Tue 11 Oct 2011

I have read over the message, and I promis to use the proper standard wiki markup until The End of Time. --OttselSpy25 talk to me 12:51, October 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks :) In that event, I shall now remove the block.  12:59: Tue 11 Oct 2011
 * By the way, have you been linking using URLs from the very beginning of your time with us? Or is it something you just started doing recently.  All instances of URL linkage have to be found and changed.  I'd appreciate it if you could do it yourself, because you know better than anyone else where this kind of linkage exists.  17:59: Wed 12 Oct 2011

Possibly Non-Canonical stories
Hey, can you please remove this category from all the pages you added it to and then suggest the idea at the forums. This should always be standard procedure with such a big addition and, I for one, am strongly against the idea. Thanks-- 17:13, October 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * Oh, and sorry if this seems a little harsh. Perhaps that wasn't the friendliest of messages, but I hope you understand what I'm trying to say.-- 17:17, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

Deleted scenes
Well, generally you'd look at tardis:canon policy, but it's being rewritten at the moment, specifically because it doesn't contain references to forum discussions about things like deleted scenes. The prefiguring forum discussion is at forum:Are deleted scenes canon?

That discussion concludes with the notion that deleted scenes aren't canon, but that they may be referenced in "behind the scenes" sections of articles. To put it simply, the version of a story that made it onto the airwaves of the broadcaster of origin is deemed the "prime" version of the story. Generally, this means that we preference what happened on BBC One, but in the case of K9, it would be the Net10 broadcast, or for Miracle Day, it would be the Starz broadcast. 17:53: Wed 12 Oct 2011
 * Having a prefix for deleted scenes wouldn't be helpful, in my view. Deleted scenes may only be referenced on the story page themselves or in "behind the scenes" sections of articles.  They should never be referenced in the normal, in-universe parts of articles, which means there's no need for a prefix as you suggest.  Any information about deleted scenes should be made unambiguously clear, as they would be in the sentence construction, "In a deleted scene from ..." We don't want to make it at all obscure to our readers that this information was deleted.   23:40: Wed 12 Oct 2011

Second warning about proper wiki markup
I note that you have again linked by use of url rather than standard wiki text at Forum:Possibly Non-Canonical stories. I'm going to assume, however, that this is because you didn't quite know how to link directly to a category name. So let me go through some basics of help:wiki markup with you.


 * Most things link simply by putting two square braces around the word. First Doctor, Forum:Forum Name, Talk:talk page name, user:user name, user talk:user talk page name
 * If the namespace does something — like add a page to a category, or place a picture or video on a page — then you'll need to precede the page name with a colon, like: category:category name, file:file.jpg, video:videoname Putting the colon in front of the namespace means you'll make a link to the name of the object, rather than make an action happen.

I hope that makes sense. If you have questions, please ask. It's both possible and required to link to everything on this wiki using a  syntax of some kind. 02:55: Thu 13 Oct 2011

Destiny of the Doctors
Hi there. No worries about etiquette, this is the Internet and such things are prone to not translating well to an online context.

I am indeed replaying Doctor Who: Destiny of the Doctors. I had to get a Windows 95 virtual machine running for another project, and after that it seemed like the perfect excuse to throw the game back on for the first time since the 1990s. It's not the best game in the world but it's quite impressive for its time (especially now that I have a computer that can run it at full steam, the one I had back then was slowed to a crawl trying to render it) and since I'm a huge TARDIS fanboy I enjoy it just for the opportunity to run around in the two TARDISes. :-)

Since it'll be faster than playing through the game (which I only get the chance to do every so often) I'm going to directly go through the dialogue and movie files on the disc to see what references I can find. As I mentioned on the Destiny talk page, I don't think we'll get all that much we can actually use in the article for timeline purposes; if you have any info which would help please add it to the game's talk page. &mdash; Rob T Firefly - &#916;&#8711; - 06:03, October 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * I cleaned up the sections you added to the game's plot section. I wish to mention a few points about that material.


 * A) I have to point out that a large amount of your spelling needed major work. While minor things could be overlooked (this wiki requires the use of UK spellings such as "manoeuvre," which definitely looks odd to American eyes, per Tardis:Spelling policy) there were very many other basic spelling errors which could have easily been avoided by running everything through your choice of spell-checking software before posting it.  Your use of capitalization was also fairly random and required a lot of correction.


 * B) It's generally "the Graak," not just "Graak." Like the Doctor and the Master, he's a "the" in all the game's text apart from when someone talks directly to him.  I've just moved the Graak's article to the Graak in deference to this point.  Also, it's the "Great Divide," not "Devine" or "Divine."


 * C) You made many references to the Graak "waking up" in various places.  The game never indicates that the Graak was knocked unconscious; you simply appear in the next area.  It could be any manner of transporting; much more accurate to say "the Grak finds himself in..."


 * D) Most importantly, the Doctors' levels can be encountered in any order and any manner of things can be skipped over or done differently.  The only parts we can use in the "plot" section are the story elements which are unchanged no matter how the player completes the game.  I invite you to look over the discussion at Forum:We need a policy on videogames and its conclusion; what that means for Destiny of the Doctors is that we can't include things like the blue diamonds or specific bits of random dialogue that the player might not encounter if they take another path.  We can only use the unchangeable beginnings and ends; we can't say exactly what path the Graak took to picking up the Metebelis Crystal, we only know for certain that he was sent to get it and that he got it and brought it back to the Master.  We can't say what order the Graak freed the Doctors in, only that he did individually free them and the endgame happened.


 * Please note that I'm not intending any of this to be an attack on you or your work on this wiki, your efforts are certainly appreciated. I offer this here as hopefully constructive feedback which will improve your further contributions to the TARDIS Index File. &mdash; Rob T Firefly - &#916;&#8711; - 03:48, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

Heavily manipulated photos
What are your plans for file:2nd oc.jpg and file:1st oc.jpg? These are obviously not just screenshots, so the licensing is at least incomplete. Before you waste too much time going through all the Doctors (if that's your intent), you should be aware that "Photoshopping" is not allowed in the main namespace. If you intend them for your user page, you should be aware that you are at the limit of the number of user images allowed. 15:34: Fri 14 Oct 2011
 * No, no, I did not make these, these are screenshots from Destiny of the doctors, where Graak tries to speak with the Doctors, I swear. --OttselSpy25 talk to me 15:36, October 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * SO, lemme get this strait. YOu see images, thing they look weird, presume they are for my User page, and Ban me again. In other words, I'm blocked because you decided what I was doing. You didn't even ask me whatthey were for, HELL you didn't even wait two minets to see where the pictures would be put, you just decided what they were, and Banned me. Whatever, see you tommoro. --OttselSpy25 talk to me 15:44, October 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, look at the license template again.

This image is a screenshot of a television programme, movie, video game, web broadcast or DVD feature over which the BBC have some level of ownership. It should therefore be considered the BBC's intellectual property, likely as administered by BBC Worldwide. Other parties may enjoy intellectual property rights over this image, as well. Doctor Who, Torchwood, The Sarah Jane Adventures, K9 and Company, Doctor Who Confidential, Torchwood Declassified, Totally Doctor Who and associated names, titles, logos and screen captures are © BBC Worldwide, Ltd. It is believed that the use of this image on the TARDIS Doctor Who wiki, hosted on servers in the United States by the non-profit Wikia, Inc,

qualifies as fair dealing under the laws of the United Kingdom, Canada, and Australia, and as fair use under United States copyright law. Other use of this image, on Wikia or elsewhere, may be copyright infringement. See Wikipedia:Fair use for more information. To the uploader: please add the source of the work and copyright information.


 * See the note at the bottom? It's your responsibility as the uploader to make clear where the pictures came from.  Now, I'm not gonna lie and say that I always give sources every time I upload a screenshot, because most of the time it's pretty obvious where they come from.  These images, though, weren't from a common source and they look heavily pixellated and distorted.  Believe it or not, people do regularly upload pictures that look better than these, which are nevertheless their own creations.  I got it wrong in this case, and I'm sorry.  But you could have helped a lot by clearly identifying these pics.  In fact, I saw before the block that you were posting them to Destiny, but I just didn't believe that they were un-retouched photos.  The feathering effect seemed too inconsistent to be anything other than an amateur job.


 * But here's the bigger point. Even though these pictures may indeed come from a valid source, you gotta stop.  The job of a page about a story is not to be a host for every possible picture from the story.  Destiny is not any different than any other story page.  Do you see a gallery at The Wedding of River Song or Sky?   No.


 * When editing a story page, you have to be able to balance text versus graphics. At present, I count that you have a minimum of 30 pictures for one page.  Now, I'm generally all for pictures, but that's just totally beyond our standard practice.  There aren't, I grant you, specific rules about the number of pictures possible on the page, but Destiny is obviously inconsistent with our general practice.  The worst offense on that page, however, is that all the pics are lumped in a gallery.  Look at any other story page.  Pictures are sprinkled throughout the text, not bunged in to a massive great gallery at the end.  Pick the five or six most representative shots — and put delete on the rest, please.


 * I will now lift your block on the condition that you immediately start marking these shots for deletion. 16:06: Fri 14 Oct 2011


 * I promise to add the Files to be Deleted Category to the files. --OttselSpy25 talk to me 17:40, October 14, 2011 (UTC)

Picture of the Master
You probably aren't aware of this, but the infobox picture at The Master was the subject of the single most intense community discussion about a picture in the history of the wiki. The picture was carefully vetted over the course of months. Many alternate designs were proposed and considered. The version which you replaced was the one that emerged from that process. The discussion is at talk:The Master and/or its archives.

Though I don't think you meant any ill-will, it's most improper of you to do an end-run around that discussion by just uploading a new revision at file:TheFiveMasters.jpg. Your revision has been reverted, and your uploads will soon be deleted. The file itself is now locked to new revisions. Please do not place a new primary image at the Master, companion, the Doctor or really any character played by multiple actors without discussion. Generally, all these collage images have been the result of some level of community discussion.

Thanks :) <span style="">23:16: Wed 19 Oct 2011


 * I have added it to discussion, however, I dobt it will recieve any attention. In truth, I think it is a minor change, technically still being the "Five Masters" Pic, just with some size alterations. I dobt anyone will notice it.

Oh, and You're welcome! --OttselSpy25 talk to me 23:20, October 19, 2011 (UTC)

Destiny of the Doctors
From a purely visual standpoint, the article looks way better. Thanks for eliminating the gallery. I'm a bit confused where the images went, though. I only count 7 in the bin, 8 on the page, so where are the other 15-ish? <span style="">04:45: Sat 22 Oct 2011

Timeline information
Please be aware that a current timeline discussion seems to be leaning heavily towards eliminating DWRG from use on this wiki. It really never should have been a source for timeline information, anyway, as it's just a fansite, and therefore isn't a valid source, per T:SOURCES. I notice that you're putting a lot of timeline information into pages, and that this information matches what's at DWRG. It'd be helpful if you stopped doing this, as it appears this information will soon be eliminated, anyway.

If you'd like to participate in the discussion, please do so, rather than adding more dubious timeline material. Thanks :)

<span style="">04:45: Sat 22 Oct 2011

Dimensions in Time pics
Thanks for trying to better illustrate Dimensions in Time, but your recent uploads are not of an acceptable quality, and will be deleted. The black bounding box around them, and the general resolution problems, combine to make the pictures too weak to be included on our site.

Please note that it may not be possible to better illustrate this story, as there will never be a home video release. Thus, unless you have a first generation off-air recording, you really don't have a good enough source for screencapping. For this reason, this is the one story for which we allow a publicity still in the infobox. <span style="">01:59: Fri 28 Oct 2011

Cybermen template
Thanks for the heads up. Feel free to report any more issues you come across.-- 12:36, October 30, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry
I deleted your work on the Doctor's Scarf infobox, didn't realise that it had been played by an ACTOR.Dragonmaster79 talk to me 18:35, November 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * It's okay. I should've been more clear in the infobox. OttselSpy25 talk to me 18:36, November 7, 2011 (UTC)

Stevie Wonder
Well, if he brought along Kanye West as a sideman, who'd notice?

It's not a great picture, but it's the only one I could track down. Feel free to replace it.Boblipton talk to me 11:35, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Color versions of monochromatic comic stories
Please note that color versions of comic stories that were originally published as black-and-white strips are generally disallowed. They may never be used in the infobox. A color image doesn't faithfully represent the original story, and would be confusing to people unfamiliar with the publication history of the comic. Your image at Timeslip, now deleted, implied that the strip was originally in color, and would be especially confusing if a reader were clicking through the Fourth Doctor DWM stories chronologically. Please consult T:ICC for more quick tips about our rules regarding pictures.

If you have recently posted color pictures to other monochromatic stories like Timeslip, please return to those pics and place the delete tag on them. Thanks. <span style="">16:24: Mon 14 Nov 2011

Disambiguation rules
Please familiarise yourself with T:DAB RULES before creating further disambiguation pages. Importantly, you should not create dab pages for terms with only two examples of that name. Three is the minimum threshold for dab page creation.

Additionally, if you create a page with an obvious spelling or punctuation error in it, please put a delete tag on the bad name so that we're alerted to the need to delete your naming error.

Thanks :)  <span style="">17:11: Fri 18 Nov 2011

I'm Sorry For Changing Those Photos On Episode Pages. Though Will I Still Be Able To Add Photos To Pages That Don't Have Any?

PS. Your Birthday's A Day Before Mine!

Season 6b
I notice that in October you put every single Second Doctor TV Comic story into the category Season 6B. Please note that this isn't at all accurate. Action in Exile clearly establishes itself as the beginning of the "Season 6b" stuff, both by title and narrative. If season 6b is understood to mean "those stories which occur after the sentence in The War Games but before that sentence was fully executed", comparatively little of the TVC run explicitly "fits" into that definition. Indeed, only these stories are 6b:
 * Action in Exile
 * The Mark of Terror
 * The Brotherhood
 * U.F.O.
 * The Night Walkers

It's an easy mistake to make, because sometimes people talk casually and say things like "the season 6b TV Comic stories". If you haven't actually read the stories, then you might not know that this phrase is talking about 5 stories, not the whole lot. So don't worry about correcting the mess. The bot'll take care of it.

However, I would urge you to exercise caution when editing about topics for which you don't have the full text in front of you. Remember than fan sites, from which you apparently took the pictures you placed on on various TVC pages, are not valid sources under T:SOURCES. They may be mistaken, vaguely written, or written in a way that assumes you've read other parts of the site.

If you'd actually had the Action in Exile comic in front of you, you'd have seen that the panel immediately to the left of the one you posted to the article said, very clearly, "Exiled to Earth by the Time Lords, Dr. Who books into a swanky London hotel to take things easy for a while..." (And if you had the whole text in front of you, I think you wouldn't have chosen that image as representative of the story as a whole.)

Even on a Doctor Who wiki, which is obviously about a silly li'l fictional show, it's really important that any information you put up — even something as seemingly trivial as a category — be something which can be verified. <span style="">18:59: Sun 04 Dec 2011 <span style="">21:04: Tue 20 Dec 2011

Mentions
Mentions have been deliberately turned off. Notice was given at Forum:"Mentions" field being deactivated.

They render in a very confusing way in the mobile skin that Wikia recently launched, such that they seem to be appearances on most mobile devices. But it's not just mobile issues. Ordinary desktop displays are flummoxed by these super-long mentions fields. As the infobox grows vertically, photos in early sections of the article are seriously displaced. That's two significant tech issues, so they're outta here without further debate. There's no forum discussion that makes right a technical problem -- much less two.

Moreover, there was user dissatisfaction with the field anyway. A big problem was they were notoriously incomplete. Infoboxen should really contain only solid, simple facts. They're not places to build lists, especially ones where "what counts as a mention?" is at issue. Removing them was the prudent course of action.

Basically they're junk clogging up the design, and the info is too insignificant for its own article. So the "info", to the extent it was actually informational, goes. .  <span style="">03:33: Sun 25 Dec 2011

Sig
Please comply with tardis:signature policy by including a clickable link to this page. <span style="">03:33: Sun 25 Dec 2011