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Comic strip stories
If you're complaining about "long-standing" things being changed, you must be a registered user who forgot to log in. If you'd like to log in and identify yourself with a signature on my user talk page, I'd be happy to explain the action. 15:03: Tue 15 Nov 2011
 * Well, as you've not supplied your username, I'll go ahead and give the answer here, though there's a chance you may never get this message if your IP address changes, or you remember to log in from here on out.


 * Just because something has been around for a while on this wiki doesn't mean it's right, or indeed sensible to the average reader. We've long neglected looking at the wiki from the reader's point of view, and have named articles in a variety of ways that may not make sense.  With articles about comic stories, we've forgotten that a good portion of our American readers won't parse the word strip in the same way that Britons do.   "Comic strip" has the connotation of being a thing exclusive to newspapers.  "Comic story" however, is a neutral term that works on both sides of the Atlantic.  Importantly, the term is broad enough to include things which aren't comic strips by anyone's reckoning, like longer form graphic novels and comic books.  It's important to have a term that works for IDW, DWM, and DWA stories.  Indeed, because of the vigourous presence of an American publisher, we must consider language that makes sense to American ears, as our spelling policy implies.


 * Furthermore a poll was taken of the community sometime back, where it was almost universally agreed that "comic story" was the best term.  (See: Forum:Comic strip, comic story, comic.)  So this isn't me making up policy; this is the enforcement of a community decision.


 * It should be pointed out, too, that "comic story" was the original nomenclature, pre-2007. To avoid making you do the page archaeology necessary to prove this point, just go to this thread, which was the origin for the introduction of the word "strip" into titles.  It pretty obviously indicates that the term of "long standing" is actually "comic story".  Also the difference between the introduction of "comic strip story" and the reassertion of "comic story" couldn't be more stark.  "Comic strip story" came about essentially because of the whim of a single user, whereas "comic story" has been returned to use by overwhelming consensus of several active users.


 * Worse, "comic strip story" is horribly redundant. A thing is a "comic strip" or a "comic story", but as there's no way to have a comic strip without a story, "comic strip story" is one more word than ya need.  Fundamentally, "comic strip story" isn't good English.


 * Also, I haven't disallowed redirects, so much as vigorously deleted the word "strip". Doctor Who Adventures comic stories is an active redirect.


 * Hope that answers your questions.  15:36: Tue 15 Nov 2011
 * I see from your recent message on user:Tangerineduel's page that you've apparently had dealings with me before that have made you go into hiding. I very much regret if I've done something that has offended you to that extent.  I'd of course like the opportunity to make amends and explain whatever offense I've caused you in the past.  I'm sure there's a simple explanation which has nothing to do with you personally.  We need as many editors as we can get.  I hate to think that I'm personally stopping you from editing.


 * For instance, in this case, you seem to be ascribing to me something I didn't really do. I didn't type the words "redirect supressed".  "Redirect supressed" is a system message that is appended automatically when you choose not to create a redirect after a page move.  If you were to move a page without creating a redirect, you too would appear to have typed the words "redirect suppressed".


 * That said, if the redirect is recreated, I will delete again, because of the many reasons listed above. If it's allowed to return, it will just be used again in articles, which goes against the spirit of the forum decision.  However, this is quite a normal attitude to take.  Anyone who deliberately chooses not to allow a redirect after a page move obviously intends that the phrase won't be linkable in the future.  The very presence of the option indicates that such behavior is normal and allowable.


 * And nothing has been deleted. When you move a page, you move its history too.  Check the history at DWA comic stories and you'll find it's all there.  The substantive page has in no way been "harmed" by the move.  Wikipedia uses the same basic software core that we do; moving largely works in the same way here as there.


 * That said, the reason that you don't see "redirect suppressed" in wikipedia move logs is because that option is not given to most users. If we didn't have that power here, we'd end up with a LOT of junk.  Special:ListRedirects reveals quite clearly how many redirects are just misspellings or in violation of other policies or just generally silly.  The deletion of redirects on a Wikia wiki is quite an ordinary part of the admin's job.  In this particular case it impacts you because you have, unusually, created bookmarks.  I apologise for the inconvenience of changing a bookmark, but on balance it couldn't have been predicted that someone would have a bookmark to such an obscure page.  16:22: Tue 15 Nov 2011

Redirects
This wiki had some fairly uneven naming rules etc. Wikipedia tends to have these bolted down and worked out. Over the past year or two we've been working to smooth and discuss the out-standing policy and Manual of Style rules on this wiki. Trying to come up with formats and policies for everything on the wiki. Part of this has involved changing article names and deleting stuff. Comic strip is just one of likely dozens if not hundreds of minor changes we've been making to bring a more consistent experience to editing here.

Redirects vs deletes - I would also point out that the DWA comic stories article hasn't been deleted and a new one created. It was moved and the redirect suppressed, this prevents the creation of the redirect, but there was no recreation of a new page see the page's history which goes all the way back to 2009.

However I understand how you can feel put out by some of the changes, compared to a few years ago this wiki has undergone massive changes. But need to constantly be looking at the functioning of this wiki and to encourage people to use correct and consistent linking, it is a job and a sometimes tedious job to make sure things are correctly linked and function and many of these jobs can't be performed by a bot.

Whenever major changes to wiki policy or to naming formats or other elements of this wiki there have been, usually extensive forum discussions concerning each change.

With regard to your examples though, the Doctor Who Adventures comic strip stories vs say Martha Jones/Smith are different as for Martha we would have in-universe information for it "existing" within the universe, while the for comic stories it's something we're creating so we have a page for that stuff.

As I said at the start of this message, Wikipedia has a lot of stuff bolted down, because they've worked out their naming structures and policies. But we haven't (or when we had it was inconsistent), because we're not Wikipedia we have rules that fly in the face of Wikipedia (and most of these were by forum discussion/decision). I hope this has answered your questions, if not, please leave me a message and I'll try to address any issues. --Tangerineduel / talk 16:06, November 15, 2011 (UTC)