User:SOTO/Forum Archive/Inclusion debates/@comment-30970988-20170118180633/@comment-1350697-20170119170848

User:SOTO/Forum Archive/Inclusion debates/@comment-30970988-20170118180633/@comment-1350697-20170119170848 1: "Officially released" exists as a rule to stop over-eager folks from covering stuff from pre-broadcast screenings or leaks, so it's functionally irrelevant when we're talking about a teeny-tiny production company putting something on Vimeo, but alright.

2: They call it an "unofficial spin-off," this is essentially a press release from the Minister of Chance people, and I don't think Den of Geek should be considered a valid source on this, anyway.

3: That's a podcast listing for the episodes of The Minister of Chance, directly pulled from the MoC RSS feed, not a separate site.

4: The Radio Times is not any kind of arbiter on this either, for that matter, and "spin-off" is used pretty loosely by the general public anyway, not in the more strict technical sense that would be relevant to us.

5: Goodreads is not an official anything. It's a community for talking about books, essentially comparable to Wikipedia or the IMDb or a big internet forum.

6: The words "official review" are meaningless, and it's not a review, anyway, it's a blog post about PR material sent by RadioStatic to Shadowlocked, a site that, again, has exactly as much to say about this as Den of Geek does.

7: "Another official place" is another fan site.

8: It's not Dan Freeman who's quoted but the MoC website, and I don't think Patrick Hester of SF Signal can legally make any kind of statement about whether or not MoC is set in the DWU.

9: Not an official website, but a Doctor Who review site.

10: Not a review, official or otherwise, just PR republishing again.

11: Sullivan describes MoC as "a brilliant audio drama with its origins in 'Doctor Who - Death Comes to Time' webcast," which, yes, is accurate, in that the character of the Minister clearly originates from DCtT, but this introduces no new information.

12, 13, 14: All PR faff again.

15: I don't have the option of listening to this 45-minute podcast right now, so if there's anything in there worth having on the table, please feel free to quote it here.

To be clear, based on the opening post of this thread, I see absolutely no evidence of even an iota of substance that says anything about the validity of The Minister of Chance in either direction.