Talk:John Frobisher

Poor, poor John... 86.154.81.7 01:42, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I disagree. -- Noneofyourbusiness 02:53, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

poor johns wife and kids

John does not look like the Twelfth Doctor
Okay, over on Category:Look alikes of the Doctor, it has been given a deletion template due to it being "too vague and prone to misuse", and on the talk page, the consensus is that if an individual is not said to look like the Doctor in a valid source, then that character should not be entered into the category. Characters who just so happen to be portrayed by an actor who played the Doctor, therefore, do not necessarily look like the Doctor in-universe.

The thing is, with stories, they are limited by the confines of the medium; what we see, as the audience, is not necessarily true for the DWU, as it transcends our vision. We don't take production errors to be a hard fact of the DWU, do we? We don't acknowledge that some some aliens look like bloody bubble-wrap, do we?

As an example, in, multiple characters are portrayed by the same actors. portrays a character called, who doesn't get along with another character portrayed by. Madison, later on in the series, meets the ghost of another character,, also portrayed by Famiga. For all intents and purposes, Madison should immediately notice that this ghost looks exactly like someone she hates, but she doesn't. Despite Farmiga portraying both characters, in-universe, they do not look alike, despite what we as the audience see. Now while this series is obviously not a part of the DWU, it highlights how a narrative supersedes what we see as the audience.

Bringing this back to John Frobisher, the same can be said to be true. Just because we as the audience can see that both the Twelfth Doctor and Frobisher are portrayed by Peter Capaldi, absolutely does not mean that they look alike in-universe. 📯 📂 18:44, 7 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Here's the question I think you should ask yourself: Thinking of the not we, which users would be helped by this change? I'm usually pretty good at coming up with hypotheticals, but I'm coming up empty-handed. To be frank, if the wiki's policies mean we can't say that John Frobisher looks like the Twelfth Doctor, that's a problem with the wiki's policies, not Category:Look alikes of the Doctor. We can revisit it if Murphy and Falchuk are commissioned for series 14, but until then, I don't think there's anything that could convince me this isn't a terrible idea. – n8 (☎) 20:02, 7 June 2021 (UTC)


 * I have to agree with Nate on this one. I can understand removing the category from audio characters that do not have a visual representation (i.e they are not featured on the cover art), but if policy says we can't trust our own eyes when we are given that visual, then something is wrong with that policy. LauraBatham ☎  09:32, 8 June 2021 (UTC)