Talk:Sabbath (Movers)

Rename
There was a lot of discussion in Forum:Relaxing T:HONOUR about renaming this page, but ultimately the closing statement didn't explicitly weigh in either way. As I expressed in that thread, I have many concerns about the current name: Returning again to Scrooge's closing statement, it's clear to me that the Doc Holliday precedent applies here. Unlike in other cases where titles may change, in all our sources Sabbath is only ever a Godfather. For instance, in Movers – the very story which our current title presents as definitive regarding the character – the name "Sabbath" is preceded by "Godfather" every time it appears in dialogue. The same is true for A Hundred Words from a Civil War, which I believe to be the only mention of Sabbath outside of The Faction Paradox Protocols. "Godfather Sabbath" is simply the character's name, and it is confusing and inaccurate to leave either part out of the page's title. – n8 (☎) 16:17, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Godfather Sabbath is first mentioned in The Eleven Day Empire and The Shadow Play. These were released before Movers, where he appears only in a flashback. Movers is simply not the story Godfather Sabbath is most associated with, and this makes it misleading to use it as a disambiguation term.
 * As Scrooge MacDuck notes in his closing statement, it's indeed true that when one types "Godfather Sabbath" into the search bar, they are redirected to this page without issue. However, when one types simply "Sabbath", the presented options are simply "Sabbath Dei" and "Sabbath (Movers)". This provides no clarity as to which is which; searchability remains an issue.
 * Compounding the above issue, despite Spongebob456's assurances, the top Tardis Wiki result for the search term  on Google remains Sabbath (Movers). (Tardis Wiki doesn't even show up when you search it in DuckDuckGo.)


 * Yeah I agree with the move. The decision that was made originally is plain and simply ridiculous. And it is even against policy given how Movers isn’t even their first story (it isn’t even a story they’re actually in). Danniesen ☎  16:27, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The Doc Holiday precedent clearly doesn't apply - it's a contingent fact that we haven't seen Sabbath as a Father or a lesser rank. It's not part of his name. I agree that Spongebob's comments on this case in particular rather mistook what was under contention, but I'm not sure that the duckduckgo issue is itself determinative, since, well, if you search  Tardis Wiki is once again the top result. Najawin  ☎  16:39, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
 * It's just as contingent a fact that we haven't seen Doc Holliday before he became a dentist. – n8 (☎) 16:53, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Not really, no. There's a further contingency, that Doc Holliday's profession became his nickname. This just hasn't happened for Sabbath? He's just always referred to with the relevant title. Let me ask you - do you think we should apply this standard to every Faction Paradox member who is always referred to with their title? Because I think the ruling in the thread was clearly against this, and I'm not sure how you're trying to argue that this is a Doc Holiday situation. Najawin ☎  17:05, 7 August 2023 (UTC)