Talk:Cyberman

To-Do List of articles to split off the main

 * Variants (photos/pictures, which stories each variants appeared in, "personality", voices)


 * History (also, a list of all Cyber-stories with known dates)


 * List of appeareances (fill in gaps in the list and give own separate page)

--***Stardizzy*** 11:40, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Reference
There's a good referance book that describes the whole history of the cybermen, not incorporating Silver Nemesis - "CYBERMEN" by David Banks (ISBN 0-352-32738-3). Smith. 18:29, December 29, 2009 (UTC)

Cyberman terminology
At the time of writing this there are some errors in captioning on photos on the Cyberman page. To avoid misinterpretation and/or some kind of edit war I will try and explain this as clearly as possible.


 * Issue 1 : Use of photo with term "Original Cyberman / Cybermen"


 * Issue 2 : Description of photos of various Cyberman designs caption as being Mark ...

Issue 1 : Use of photo with term "Original Cyberman / Cybermen"

Earlier today the infobox photo had an Invasion Cyberman (Mk. IV - see below) with the caption "Original Cyberman". I altered this to read "Cyberman (Our Universe)" on the grounds that the Mk. IV from the Invasion may well be an early Cyberman, but it is not the "original" design (Mk. I from the Tenth Planet). This was rapidly changed back (I think by an un-named editor). Later on the photo was changed to show some Silver Nemesis Cybermen (Mk. VII) but retaining the title "Original Cybermen".

To avoid pointlesslsy confusing people I feel that one of two changes should be made. Either :

A) Use the term "Original Cyberman/men" and show a Mk 1 Tenth Planet design

Or

B) Use whatever other Cyberman design is desired but change the term "Original" to "Classic" / "Early" / "This Universe" etc.

The reason for this is simple; "Original" basically means "First" or "Earliest" and any design other than that of the 10th Planet is not an "Original" Cyberman. If anyone thinks otherwise please discuss.

'''Issue 2 : Naming types of Cyberman design. '''

There are several ways in which a person could categorise Cybermen in terms of Type 1,2,3 etc.

They could be categorised by :

a) Probable chronological development within a Cyberman Time Line

b) Historical dating of stories

c) The order in which the Cybermen appeared on screen (which is thus also the Doctor's Time Line)

Personally I think naming Cyberman designs following the order in which the Doctor encountered them / the stories were shown on screen makes the most sense as at least this deals with some degree of certainty whereas probable placement of designs within a theoertical Cyber time line is largely fan speculation and opinion. Just as importantly, it probably also makes the most sense to a casual reader or a new fan.

If we go with categorising the Cybermen by design changes in the order in which the Doctor encontered them we then have :

Mk I = Tenth Planet

Mk II = Moonbase / Tomb of the Cybermen

Mk III = Wheel in Space

Mk IV = Invasion

Mk V = Revenge of the Cybermen

Mk VI = Earthshock, 5 Doctors & Attack of the Cybermen (unless anyone wishes to subdivide further?)

Mk VII = Silver Nemesis (Only a minor change in many ways)

Currently the page has a photo of an Invasion type (Mk IV) Cyberman marked as being MK II, Silver Nemesis (Mk VII) Cybermen unmarked by type, another Invasion Cyberman (Mk IV) refered to as a Mk III (twice), a Earthshock/5 Doctors/Attack type (Mk VII) tagged as being Mk IV (twice), some un-categorised Moonbase (Mk II) Cybermen, a Tomb Cyberman correctly tagged as Mk II, and some Revenge Cybermen (Mk VI) marked as Mk III. Personally I regard most of these as being mistakes for the reasons given above but even if some other categorisation method is being used it is not being applies consistently e.g. both Invasion and Tomb Cybermen being tagged as Mk II.

I propose edit the Cyberman entry in accordance with the above categorisation method for Cyberman types, and to change the term "Original" Cyberman to "Classic Cyberman". If anyone objects to this or wishes to change things back, please explain the reasoning rather than just editing.

Mr Pepperpot 00:54, June 21, 2010 (UTC)

Cybermen or Cybusmen in Blood of the Cybermen
I remeoved this text :

"Cybermen will appear again in Blood of the Cyberman, as part of episode 2 of Doctor Who The Adventures games starring Matt Smith and Karen Gillan. This marks 21 years since the last time the original cybermen have appeared in Doctor Who.Cybermen will appear again in Blood of the Cyberman, as part of episode 2 of Doctor Who The Adventures games starring Matt Smith and Karen Gillan. This marks 21 years since the last time the original cybermen have appeared in Doctor Who.Cybermen will appear again in Blood of the Cyberman, as part of episode 2 of Doctor Who The Adventures games starring Matt Smith and Karen Gillan. This marks 21 years since the last time the original cybermen have appeared in Doctor Who."

I removed this on the grounds the game has not yet been released, thus far we don't know if the Cybermen in the game are from this universe or are Pete's World cybermen, but that all pre-release images suggest they are modified Cybus design cybermen. I think it would be better to wait a few days until the game is released before making any such statements.

In addition, the original Cybermen have not appeared ON TV since Silver Nemesis, but they have appeared in other media, including the BBC broadcast 8th Dr audios, so the statement is rather less than clear.

Mr Pepperpot 16:15, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * So, Blood of the Cybermen is out, and we still don't have any answers. In The Pandorica Opens we learn that the Cybus Cybermen somehow still got into our universe, and are now a sea-faring race. The game doesn't make it clear exactly which the Doctor is dealing with.--Samoth 16:14, June 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Space faring....... not see faring Fan555 17:45, June 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * I propose a merge. In The Next Doctor, the walls between Mondas and Pete's Cybermen was blurred and Blood of the Cybermen and The Pabdorica Opens have certainly strengthened that becasue we don't know which version they are. I'm australian, so I havent played Blood yet, but from what Ive read, it isnt said that they're Mondas Cybermen. The fine line that used to be drawn between the two species has been cut up. This is why i think they should be merged. I'm A Hydroponic Tomato! Bigredrabbit (talk to me) 03:48, June 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's just stupid to label them Mondasian Cybermen when they're unconfirmed...the logo is a potential indication but it is not an evidence...cybermats are definitely NOT evidence, since the Cybus Cybermen's technology advances significantly everytime we meet them...these cybermen should definitely be placed on both articles as unconfirmed if not merging the articles as Bigredrabbit said above...the Cybus Cybermen could very well have been the 'ancestors' of Mondasian Cybermen or any other wacky explanations...but listing unconfirmed things as facts is just plain stupid...203.168.176.42 16:58, July 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's just stupid to label them Mondasian Cybermen when they're unconfirmed...the logo is a potential indication but it is not an evidence...cybermats are definitely NOT evidence, since the Cybus Cybermen's technology advances significantly everytime we meet them...these cybermen should definitely be placed on both articles as unconfirmed if not merging the articles as Bigredrabbit said above...the Cybus Cybermen could very well have been the 'ancestors' of Mondasian Cybermen or any other wacky explanations...but listing unconfirmed things as facts is just plain stupid...203.168.176.42 16:58, July 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's just stupid to label them Mondasian Cybermen when they're unconfirmed...the logo is a potential indication but it is not an evidence...cybermats are definitely NOT evidence, since the Cybus Cybermen's technology advances significantly everytime we meet them...these cybermen should definitely be placed on both articles as unconfirmed if not merging the articles as Bigredrabbit said above...the Cybus Cybermen could very well have been the 'ancestors' of Mondasian Cybermen or any other wacky explanations...but listing unconfirmed things as facts is just plain stupid...203.168.176.42 16:58, July 3, 2010 (UTC)

Overview page?
How about making the main Cyberman article an overview page about all kinds of cybermen, their differences and similarities, while having the current article as a more specific article at Cyberman (Mondas) or something like that? I'm not suggesting a full merge - the details would still be in separate articles. Ausir(talk) 21:54, December 1, 2010 (UTC)