Talk:The War King

Merge with DWM Master
Fans believe that the Master from (COMIC: The Glorious Dead) is the incarnation of the Master that would later become the War King, should this be added to the article, should it be left on overall Master page or should a seperate article be created? Revanvolatrelundar 17:57, August 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * I thought that was still the "Bruce" master, though admittedly it doesn't look like him, perhaps he was aged by that body slowly degenerating.88.111.141.34 17:37, August 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * no its not he bruce master, the master was given a new body by Esareth the controller of the Glory Revanvolatrelundar 18:50, August 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Which fans? What kinda source you got for this claim?   "Fans believe" is probably the worst way to start a sentence on this wiki.  What fans believe, even if you could cite them, is irrelevant.  What matters is what's in the actual text. Nothing should be done with this "information".  04:58:13 Mon 13 Jun 2011

This page was protected because of plans to delete it. Four years later it still hasn't been and won't be deleted. Could this page be unprotected? The Champion of Time   ☎  20:38, April 6, 2016 (UTC)
 * Seconded. --Pluto2 (talk) 07:44, January 22, 2017 (UTC)
 * Thirded. It's five sentences long, and one of them is blatantly untrue (the "became highest ranking lawman while at the Academy"). Pls unlock NateBumber ☎  19:41, May 5, 2017 (UTC)

Merger with the War King
This article should be merged with War King. In The Infinity Doctors, Sontar points out to the Doctor that the Citadel was once a fortress.


 * ‘The Citadel, like many of the Capitol’s buildings, is larger on the inside than the outside.’
 * ‘Who lives out here?’ Sontar asked, indicating the city with a sweep of his claw.
 * ‘Ancillary staff and their families. Technicians, artisans, cleaners, artists, engineers, cooks, musicians. Everyone the Time Lords need to support them and their Citadel. Although truth be told the Citadel is probably self-sufficient.’
 * ‘It was once a fortress,’ Sontar stated.
 * The Doctor turned to him, puzzled. ‘I don’t think so.’
 * ‘Of course it was,’ the General laughed. ‘Look at the thickness of the walls, the buttresses and battlements. I should say it was a stronghold built to withstand a siege. No need to be coy about your race’s past with me, Doctor.’
 * ‘I’m not. You are clearly right, it’s just that it never occurred to me before.’

In the same story, as this article would tell you, the Magistrate is described as the Doctor's best, oldest friend, as well as one of the President's most trusted advisors.

Later, in The Taking of Planet 5, the War King says


 * ‘I remember when the aliens came to the Capitol, back before you were even woven,’ said the President. ‘The old general – I forget his name – was shown around the Capitol by a friend of mine. He said this place was built for war, and to our ears it seemed a ridiculous notion. The whole idea of war was inconceivable to us back then, though even then there were occasional clues as to the coming conflict. But we ignored them, dismissed them. We never thought our people would become like the old general and his troops, breeding our people purely to be efficient killers, weaving violence into every cell of their bodies. But we did, in the end, and the Capitol became a fortress once more.’

The general whose name the War King can't remember is Sontar, his troops are obviously the Sontarans, and his "old friend" is the Doctor (The Infinity Doctors universe). It's not some coincidence; Simon Bucher-Jones has confirmed that it was an intentional connection. Furthermore, The Book of the War gives backstory to the War King that includes him being a close advisor to the President. It seems kinda clear to me that this connection is more than speculation and that these pages should be merged. Thoughts? NateBumber ☎  20:03, May 5, 2017 (UTC)

Accepted. With recent developments in the Faction Paradox range referring to the War King's once being a Magistrate its time we got this underway. --Revan\Talk 10:23, February 27, 2019 (UTC)