Talk:Extremis (TV story)

What is real, what is not
Okay, one of the most (if not the most) thing we need to keep in mind when editing about this episode is what is real and what is not. Since most of what we saw was just a "practice Earth", can we really say that, for example, the Twelfth Doctor went in the White House? Can we say that the Pope met the Doctor, Bill and Nardole? Can we say that Bill and Nardole were on CERN? In my opnion, we should not. Probably, the safest way to display information would be to create Twelfth Doctor (Practice Earth), Bill Potts (Practice Earth) (as "practice Earth" was a term used by the "hologram Doctor" to describe the place they were in), and so on, and treat what happened in this episode almost as if this was an "alternate universe" (keep in mind this is only a metaphor I'm using, as it was clear that everything was a simulation). OncomingStorm12th ☎  21:25, May 20, 2017 (UTC)
 * Of course we should write about it, even if it is not real. If we don't, the article will just contain the execution of Missy as well as the Doctor standing guard. Everything has to be written. And it's not really an alternate universe, as this is projected. It's not a different reality. --DCLM ☎  21:50, May 20, 2017 (UTC)
 * Afaiu, the issue is not whether or not to write about it (it all is a message "viewed" by the doctor, so it is a part of the episode's continuity), but how to disambiguate between things that happened only in simulation (without writing, like, virtual Bill and virtual Nardole meet the virtual Pope in the virtual Tardis) and those that happened in reality. 5.172.255.84talk to me 22:00, May 20, 2017 (UTC)
 * Of course I'm not proposing we write only about what was real. As the anonymous user remarked, what I'm aiming is how we should handle the information of the episode. And, again: I'm not saying this was an alternate universe. I left it pretty clear this was merely a metaphor. OncomingStorm12th ☎  22:08, May 20, 2017 (UTC)
 * Personally I think separate pages should be made for the simulation versions of the characters for example; Twelfth Doctor Projection (Extremis), Bill Potts Projection (Extremis), Nardole Projection (Extremis), but we must not forget that the real versions of the major characters appeared at some point during the episode - The Doctor, Bill, Nardole and Missy all had scenes set in reality - so should be credited too. Xx-connor-xX ☎  22:12, May 20, 2017 (UTC)
 * How were these things handled on the Amy's Choice (TV story) page? My idea is that we should pretty much handle this in the same way. --DCLM ☎  22:37, May 20, 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't think it is fair to compare this instance to that of a dream, as these avatars/projections were created to mimic the people rather than actually being then - because even if you are dreaming you are still yourself. Xx-connor-xX ☎  22:46, May 20, 2017 (UTC)
 * The example that most came to my mind: Moira. Does she appear in this story? For me, is a clear no. It wasn't Moira, it was a computer program acting like Moira. So: it looks like her, it sounds like her, it acts like her, but, by no means it's her. OncomingStorm12th ☎  22:56, May 20, 2017 (UTC)
 * Best possible example. Xx-connor-xX ☎  23:03, May 20, 2017 (UTC)
 * This could really need an admin's opinion. --DCLM ☎  23:05, May 20, 2017 (UTC)
 * Assuming we do take this route, exactly how far should we go with it? As in, should there be "projection" pages for just the main three, or for every character that appeared in the simulation (virtual Pope, virtual president of the United States, etc.)? TheFatPanda ☎  00:34, May 21, 2017 (UTC)
 * If they were real, we certainly would, so I'd say yes. Potentially, I think we should also make two pages for Penny: the real one and another for the virtual. OncomingStorm12th ☎  00:37, May 21, 2017 (UTC)

How perfect a simulation?
If we're going under the assumption that the virtual world really is as perfect as the Doctor believed, should we assume that any minor factoids revealed about characters in the virtual world also apply to their real counterparts like, for example, Moira apparently being unaware of Bill's sexuality? TheFatPanda ☎  00:44, May 21, 2017 (UTC)