Talk:Trenzalore

Fields
Until the last episode, we knew this place as "fields of Trenzalore", as reported in the prophecy that is not properly quoted in the page yet. We should add this piece of information, but: how? Do the fields stand for the graveyard? --HarveyWallbanger ☎  09:52, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

The Doctor's Death
Its an alternate timeline. It was stated that his survival was a change in time.--WarGrowlmon18 ☎  00:33, December 27, 2013 (UTC)

Excuse me, but without some kind of source this is complete speculation. It was never stated to be an "Change in time" or an alternate timeline. The tomb we saw may not even be a tomb. At the end of the 50th, the TARDIS is crashing, perhaps back onto Trenzalore, we don't know yet. I would very much like to stave off calling this a change or alternate timeline for several reasons.

-If that TARDIS Monument thing was not on Trenzalore (that is, as part of The Doctors main timeline) the doctor and Clara would never have met, negating much if not all of season 7 in it entirety. If the Monument did not exist, then The Doctor would never have journeyed their to save Jenny, Strax, or Madame Vastra, Clara would not have had the opportunity to save the doctor from the Great Intelligence, and thus have one of the versions of herself appear in the 2012 Christmas Special, The Dalek Asylum, or any other instance of Clara running into The Doctor. I understand that Stephen Moffett is not everyone's favorite writer, but I find it hard to believe that he would write in a paradox of that proportion.

-The Doctor stated in "The Angels Take Manhattan,"

"And if you read ahead and find that Rory dies? This isn't any old future, Amy, it's ours. Once we know what's coming, it's fixed. I'm going to break something, because you told me that I'm going to do it. No choice now."

If this is true, and the monument on Trenzalore is part of The Doctors personal future, then it must exist, not as an alternate timeline, but as part of the main timeline because he saw his own personal future. Just as River was unable to avoid breaking her wrist, The Doctor would be unable to avoid whatever it is that leads to that monuments existence. -In every instance since the reboot of the series where The Doctor or his companions have attempted to change history, they have ultimately failed to do so. Once when Rose tried to save her father, another when he tried to save the base personnel in Water of Mars. This is more evidence to the fact that a simple gifting of regenerations by the Time Lords does not automatically prevent the TARDIS Monument from exists as part of The Doctors main timeline.

-Don't even bring up the argument, "But he saved Gallifrey instead of destroying it. So he can change his own timeline." He never did destroy Gallifrey, he doesn't remember saving it because of the twisting of his timeline due to 13 incarnations all being in the same place. the same memory loss happened to the first, second, third, fourth and fifth doctors in the TV episodes "The Three Doctors" and again in "The Five Doctors." At no time do any of the Doctors incarnations reference doing those events before (Ex. the 5th Doctor doesn't remember the events of "The Three Doctors" three separate times, or the events of "The Five Doctors" five separate times).

I Just don't think we have enough information to simply write this whole "The doctor died on Trenzalore" thing as an alternate/negated/aborted timeline. The implications of doing so are just too immense. Also thank you to anyone who takes the time to read this. Kremlin16 ☎  00:57, March 22, 2014 (UTC)


 * I haven't seen this episode, so I can't comment on most of your post, but I did want to point out that in at least two stories, Categorical Imperative and The Juror's Story, later versions of the Doctor remember participating as their younger selves. So there is some contradiction in whether there is a memory loss whenever multiple Doctors meet. Shambala108 ☎  01:19, March 22, 2014 (UTC)

From Gallifrey to Trenzalore
Is it a alternitive timeline or just the future something's were never explained like the why was he called valeyard where was Christmas and the tardis was no where near the eleventh when he died the skirmish not war no daleks or cybermen bodys COuld the doctor die at  Trenzalour Question be asked and wasnt it a fixed point that doctor would die not regenrate