Talk:LEGO Dimensions (video game)

Plot
What if the plot description is written in a way that only includes the information of the actions that makes progress in the game? I mean writing it from a point of view that only sticks to the main plot that leads into the next level...

Like in the "Harry Potter"-games, you get to explore all of Hogwarts and collect stuff and such, but the main plot is the only way to complete the games. --DCLM ☎  07:13, October 10, 2015 (UTC)


 * The validity of this game is currently being discussed at Thread:176459. Shambala108 ☎  14:02, October 10, 2015 (UTC)

DIFFERENT CHARACTERS
I have added links to Batman and Gandalf (LEGO Dimensions) on the basis that they are clearly 'real' and different to their fictional counterparts.--90.221.128.67talk to me 09:44, October 10, 2015 (UTC)
 * While I can see where you're coming from, it's notable that that has not been our precedent on pages like Spock. OS25 (talk to me, baby.) 20:59, October 14, 2015 (UTC)

John Leeson
Does anyone happen to know if John Leeson recorded new dialogue for the game or not?MystExplorer ☎  23:16, November 15, 2015 (UTC)


 * Certainly not. The only characters with unique dialogue are the ones who are definitively in the narrative. Twelve is in the level definitively, K9 isn't, and K9 pretty much just has a few odd line3s from the series. OS25 (talk to me, baby.) 18:02, November 16, 2015 (UTC)
 * I heard he did record new dialogue and that the only archive recordings used were for lines involving the other Doctors. Is there a definitive list of what DW cast members did record new dialogue. I know a few couldn't have recorded very much: apparently Jenna Coleman only has a few lines but they're newly recorded nonetheless. 68.146.52.234talk to me 16:15, January 20, 2016 (UTC)

Additional info added
I've added some introduction to explain the plot of the overall game and to explain what is accessible without buying the add-on pack. I also added a section on the Adventure World levels which are also only unlocked if you place the Twelfth Doctor or one of the other DW characters on the game interface. It's not open otherwise. I haven't played it thoroughly but the first Adventure World visited gives you mini-missions from Missy and Vastra. 68.146.52.234talk to me 16:13, January 20, 2016 (UTC)

In the current version of the article it says there is one level that takes place within the DWU. Which is this and should there be a separate page for it (since the invalid tag covers the whole page)? --90.197.241.198talk to me 18:23, September 16, 2016 (UTC)

LEGO page
Since now LEGO is a publisher of DW content, wouldn't it be better to have a in-universe page and a separate page for the company itself? It seem quite weird to link "LEGO Dimensions was a video game released by LEGO in 2015" with a in-universe page on the middle of the sentence. OncomingStorm12th ☎  19:24, December 8, 2016 (UTC)
 * So, any opinions on this? OncomingStorm12th ☎  21:37, December 17, 2016 (UTC)

Eleventh Doctor outfit
Even discounting the green longcoat in Let's Kill Hitler, The Girl Who Waited, Closing Time and part of The Wedding of River Song, the Eleventh Doctor does not wear one uniform outfit (especially shirts and bow ties) between The Eleventh Hour and The Angels Take Manhattan (an era which includes three costume designers). Can this be amended to the specific stories that that's based on? -- Tybort (talk page) 01:27, January 27, 2017 (UTC)

DWU?
In the fourth paragraph of the article it says 'One level in the main game took place in the DWU'. The phrasing is unclear - does this mean one level in the game is Doctor Who-related or does this mean one level of the game is valid? --Borisashton ☎  17:39, January 28, 2017 (UTC)


 * I think it simply means that the level is set in the universe of Doctor Who, just as others are set in the universes of Back to the Future and the Wizard of Oz. From what I understand, this game is about hopping between various popular fictional universes. CoT     ?  18:22, January 28, 2017 (UTC)


 * The game has a main story mode which is where all the actual crossing over (narratively) happens, during which the Doctor plays a reoccuring role. Then you have all the individual “episode” packs for each franchise which are all completely self-contained from the main story. The Doctor Who episode could theoretically work as an in-DWU story as it doesn’t include any appearances, narrative-wise, from the other franchises iirc (the ability to use other characters in gameplay via the gamepad notwithstanding). TheFatPanda ☎  01:25, August 27, 2018 (UTC)


 * Thread:176459 Shambala108 ☎  01:44, August 27, 2018 (UTC)

Dalek Extermination of Earth validity
I understand why the games main storyline with all of the crossovers can’t be classed as valid, but surely the same can’t be said for the Doctor’s self-contained mini episode? WaltK ☎  20:46, October 3, 2019 (UTC)
 * IIRC this was already discussed in the big LEGO Dimensions debate. In the end the reason both the main storyline and The Dalek Extermination of Earth are invalid is that there is some user-depending content in the hub-worlds — that is to say, characters and events that do or don't show up depending on the player's choice. Could be misremembering. I invite you to find the debate in the Matrix Archives and see for yourself, much as I did. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎  21:43, October 3, 2019 (UTC)


 * Having played this, I can say there are two big problems with this story. One is that it isn’t straightforward. Despite needing the Doctor to complete the level, any character can play. Just because you can complete the level only as the Doctor, doesn’t mean that’s the only way. Also, certain things that depend on specific characters outside the DWU (for example, you need Batman or a character with his ability to rescue Clara Oswald. We can’t choose just one of infinitely many possibilities in this game (where only the Doctor is played) and say that’s the valid one. The second reason is simply because this story stretches the limits with goofiness and in my opinion doesn’t mesh with the continuity of the series. Of course, this is a secondary reason because we do have lots of silly stories and contradictions which are considered valid, like The Abominable Showmen. But in general it doesn’t make sense to consider this valid when there are too many possibilities, and we can just describe it on this page. Chubby Potato ☎  22:21, October 3, 2019 (UTC)


 * User:Chubby Potato's first point is exactly why we don't consider this valid, but to answer User:WaltK's question about the mini-episode, it is policy to not break things up into valid and not-valid; therefore, since part of the story is not-valid, then the whole thing is not-valid. I can point you to the policy in question, but it might take me some time to find it. Shambala108 ☎  22:36, October 3, 2019 (UTC)
 * @Shambala, you say "it is policy to not break things up into valid and not-valid; therefore, since part of the story is not-valid, then the whole thing is not-valid". And it is of course true that we don't break apart a single story into valid and non-valid bits. But things like The History of the Doctor — narrative skits released within documentaries — have been ruled valid in the past. Being that Dalek Extermination is narratively unconnected from the main LEGO Dimensions storyline, I think that were there cause to give Dalek Extermination valid coverage, one could easily argued that it's a self-contained story released within a wider, invalid context. Again, that's only if there were reason to consider it valid by itself. Which, no, indeed there aren't. Too much variability.


 * @Chubby, you, as Shambala said, hit the nail on the head concerning the variability. The fact that one of the possible characters to be played in Extermination is the LEGO Batman is IMO neither here nor there, though. So long as the story's meant to take place in the DWU (or feature characters who got to the story's setting from the DWU), we've deemed many crossovers valid. If LEGO Dimensions were an animated series rather than a branching-storyline game, we would likely deem it valid, and acknowledge LEGO Batman, Wyldstyle and the rest as residents of parallel universes who exist within the Doctor Who multiverse. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎  22:46, October 3, 2019 (UTC)


 * To be clear, I used Batman as an example. But Shambala108's point is relevant here again: there is no way the entire level can be 100% completed without use of characters from other franchises, which is only explicable using the main story.
 * And while I think your point is interesting about the game being a non-variable story like an animated series, this reminds me of something else I failed to mention in my original comment: I don’t believe the Doctor and his universe we see in LEGO Dimensions is the DWU. While it isn’t explicitly stated, the eponymous "dimensions" in the game are almost certainly not the actual universes the franchises take place in. It isn’t as clear with the Doctor Who content because it isn’t a representation of an actual story in the series, but rather a bunch of references. However the other franchises sometimes show actual events and don’t line up with their real respective settings at all. I won’t go into detail here, but if you look at any part of the game, the dimensions are smaller representations of their universes, not the actual universes. So, there is another reason why this should be invalid even if it wasn’t variable. Chubby Potato ☎  00:24, October 4, 2019 (UTC)
 * It was actually a big part of the original LEGO debates (about this and about The LEGO Batman Movie) that the DWU is treated differently from other franchises in the game, as no efforts are made to reboot it into a parodical lego form, one just moves ahead with the usual cast and tells new DW stories that happen to be depicted in LEGO artstyle. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎  04:55, October 4, 2019 (UTC)
 * The main point from the LEGO Dimensions debate is this: "As has been discussed numerous times this decade, any game which has multiple outcomes depending on how the player chooses to play isn't an actual narrative." Therefore not valid.


 * And so far I haven't found the thread in question that I was looking for, but I'll get back to looking sometime this weekend. Shambala108 ☎  05:09, October 4, 2019 (UTC)