Howling:NOT the ninth doctor???

Has anyone put forward the idea that the Doctor who steped out of the Tardis in "Rose", is really the FIRST Doctor, and not the "ninth"? Has anyone established that the Doctor we first saw in 1963 was really the "first"? Making 10 really #2, 11, #3 etc. Might explain River's ongoing joke / brush off, "Maybe when you're older..."

The Tenth Doctor already knew Sarah Jane and Davros, the Eleventh Doctor called himself the Eleventh Doctor, the Fifth Doctor said he was in his fourth regeneration, the recap in The Next Doctor showed all 11 Doctors, the Timelords called the First, Second, and Third Doctors the First, Second and Third Doctors in the Three Doctors, there are numerous references to past episodes in the new series, there are no references to new series episodes in the classic series. River's ongoing joke means that she has met the Doctor later in his life, when he is older. She never met the First Doctor and was never in the classic series.Icecreamdif 04:11, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

All you need is this quote from The Five Doctors:

"As it happens, I am the Doctor. The original, you might say!"

- The First Doctor Skittles the hog-- Talk 21:56, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

All that proves is that William Hartnell played the First Doctor. We never actually saw Patrick Troughton, or Paul Mcgann's Doctor's regenerate, so what if Christopher Eccleston is actually the Third Doctor. My theory is that the Timelords erased Jamie and Zoe's memories, returned them to their own time, and then forced the 2nd Doctor to regenerate into Christopher Eccleston. They were going to exile the Eccleston Doctor to 20th century Earth, but they were inturrupted by a Dalek invasion that began the Time War. The Eccleston Doctor fought in the Time War, and eventually destroyed Gallifrey. All of the new series episodes take place in what is known as Season 6B. Eventually, in a future Matt Smith episode, the Timelords will return. The Timelords will still be mad that the Doctor destroyed them in the Timewar, so they will force him to regenerate into Jon Pertwee, and will exile him to 20th century Earth.69.140.32.138 02:39, March 24, 2011 (UTC)

What about the Tenth Doctor remembering the Fifth Doctor in Time Crash? Or the Ninth Doctor's involvement in the Kingmaker, based on his memory of events? Or the Time War foreshadowing in Series 3 of Gallifrey? Or the numerous occasions in the new series where we've had a run through of all the Doctors? Or the Fifth Doctor refering to himself as the fourth regeneration (in the Five Doctors), and the Eleventh Doctor calling himself the eleventh (The Lodger). Or the new series Doctors referencing and remembering events that happened to Doctors 3 through 8? I don't think any amount of retconning can accomodate your absurd theory. TemporalSpleen 16:36, March 24, 2011 (UTC)

How dare you call my theory absurd. I spent months preparing that theory. I am as sure that Christopher Eccleston actually plays the Third Doctor, as I am that River Song is actually a future incarnation of the Rani(who is actually Rose Tyler and Amy Pond using a chameleon arch), and that the Silence is actually the Beast(why else would there be so many 6s in the show?). Either way, if you actually watched the show, you would know that all of your evidence that disproves my theory is false. The Tennant Doctor(who is acually the 4th Doctor) remembered the Davison Doctor(who is actually the 8th Doctor) because of The Five Doctors. The First Doctor spent a lot of time with the Davison Doctor in the TARDIS in that episode, and the Troughton Doctor also briefly met him. Obviously, the Tennant Doctor remembers the Davison Doctor from that episode. During The Five Doctors, the Davison Doctor told the Hartnell Doctor to fly the TARDIS into a black hole to cancel out the explosion, and the Tennant Doctor remembered being the Hartnell Doctor, and learning about the event from the Davison Doctor. Tegan and Turlough probably told the Hartnell Doctor details about the Davies Doctor, that the Tennant Doctor remembered while he was talking to the Davies Doctor. In the Next Doctor and the Eleventh Hour, the recap of the previous Doctors does not come from the Doctor himself, but from a third party. Remember, the Doctor is a time traveller. The Cyberman infostamp contained information stolen from the Daleks, and the Daleks have already met the Doctor later in his own timestream. When the Fifth Doctor referred to his fourth regeneration, he didn't mean that he had regenerated four times. Remember, the T. Baker Doctor was trapped inside the Timelords TV, so the Doctors that were there were the Hartnell Doctor, the Troughton Doctor, the Pertwee Doctor, and the Davison Doctor. Out of those four, Davison was the fourth chronoligically. In the Lodger, the Eleventh Doctor didn't say "I am the Eleventh Doctor," he just said "Eleventh." That is ambigous enough to mean anything. He could mean that that is the eleventh time he's mind melded with someone through a headbutt. I will not believe that the new series is a direct sequel to the classic series and the TV movie, until the Doctor says, "I am the Eleventh incarnation of the Doctor. Years ago the Timelords exiled me to Earth immediately after I freed humans from war simulations, and I fought in the Timewar during either my Eigth or Ninth incarnations." And, I believe I have now proven that with enough retconning, one can accomadate my, so called, absurd theory.69.140.32.138 21:16, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

The fact that the tenth and eleventh Doctor's recognise their former selves when they see them in The Next Doctor and The Eleventh Hour does tend to hold true to the theory of eleven Doctors. --Revan\Talk 21:19, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

He never said "Oh I know those people, they are my past incarnations." He probably recognized them, but only from the context of seeing them with his first 3 incarnations, even if they are in the wrong order.69.140.32.138 21:36, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

The new series is clearly meant to be a sequel to the classic series. Sarah Jane doesn't remember the Five Dcotors, so it is reasonable to assume that everyone who the time scoop picked up, apart from the Fifth Doctor, Tegan and Turlough, had their memories erased. Even if the First and Second Doctors did remember the episode, it doesn't explain why the Fifth Doctor doesn't remember the Tenth Doctor in Time Crash. If Tennant was actually one of Davison's previous incarnations, Davison should recognize him. In Cold Blood, the Doctor gives a brief recap of Doctor Who and the Silurians. According to your theory, that hasn't happened for him yet. The Doctor also seems to be very familiar with UNIT, suggesting he has worked with them more than once. The Master also talks about the Doctor fighting Axons and Sea Devils. There is no evidence at all to support your theory.Icecreamdif 23:47, March 25, 2011 (UTC)


 * "The Tennant Doctor(who is acually the 4th Doctor) remembered the Davison Doctor(who is actually the 8th Doctor) because of The Five Doctors." Except that Tennant clearly states "at first I was trying to be old and grumpy and important like you do when you're young, and then I was you..." key part being "then I was you". Then Davison says to days to come" and Tennant says "All my love to long ago". Just accept that they're in the right order. Why would they mix it up? There's no evidence whatsoever for this, and if anyone tried to make it a storyline, I'd be completely unimpressed. --The Thirteenth Doctor 00:40, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

To be honest, I think this guy is having a laugh. His theory hold no ground. I don't see David Tennant's face anywhere during the mindbending contest. Troughton is clearly followed by Pertwee. (TV: The Brain of Morbius) You claim to have spent months on this theory? Didn't think very had did you. Your original argument was that the 9th was the 1st. That didn't stand to the test so now your just trying to pick up the pieces. Skittles the hog-- Talk 10:09, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

I didn't say that the 9th was the first. That was someone else, who is clearly almost as intelligent as I am. And what to you mean you'd be completely unimpressed. I think that we both know that you are just jealous that I came up with the most well thought out, brilliant theory ever, before you did. The Tennant Doctor knows that he changed when he turned into the Davison Doctor, because Tegan told the Hartnell Doctor offscreen in The Five Doctors. When they talk about giving love to long ago, and days to come, you have to remember that they are time travellers. They constantly go back and forth between long ago, and times to come. The Doctor knows about UNIT because of the Invasion. Davison didn't forget about Tennant during the invasion, he just assumed that it was a member of LINDA impersonating him. The Master talked about Sea Devils and Axons, because he is like River Song, meeting the Doctor in the wrong order. Come to think of it, maybe River Song is the Master. Sarah Jane probably heard about the Silurians from the Brigadier, and told the Tennant Doctor about them during School Reunion. When the Timelords exiled the Doctor to Earth they wiped some of his memories, which presumably included his memories of the Silurians. You can't really use the mind bending contest as an argument, since there were also several other faces which didn't belong to the Doctor. I find it very offensive that you say that I am just having a laugh. I take this theory very seriously, and am certainly not just making stuff up that is clearly not true.69.140.32.138 19:47, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, this guys definitely having a laugh. He can't possibly believe this.Skittles the hog-- Talk 19:56, March 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * Agreed. I suggest nobody replies after this so we don't give him any more fuel to add to his fire. I doubt he's silly enough to continue an argument all on his own. --The Thirteenth Doctor 20:28, March 26, 2011 (UTC)