Talk:I Am The Master (audio story)

The Master
Hi, it seems that people put this incarnation as the Deathworm morphant one because Big Finish puts it "after the Keeper of Traken". But is there anything preventing him to be the one who lost the trakenite body in Dustbreeding?RingoRoadagain ☎  09:42, November 2, 2019 (UTC)
 * I agree that this is too speculative. Not only because it could be the Beevers-stripped-of-Ainely, but because we have no idea how much time passes for the Master between the last we see of Beevers, and the beginning of The TV Movie. After all, the Gordon Tipple Master at the beginning of the TV Movie is described as being "in his final incarnation", so it's always seemed plausible to me that there was an entire offscreen regeneration cycle in-between.


 * Even without resorting to that, there is the not-yet-Deathworm-Morphant-using Gordon Tipple Master to reckon with.


 * This sort of thing is precisely why "the Master" was merged, and I'd advocate that we make good on this and, in this instance, just link to the Master without any specific template. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎  10:59, November 2, 2019 (UTC)


 * I agree with your statments. Actually I was thinking about its placement in the "Master stories" template. I listened to this short trip long ago but I want to be sure about there being no precision before trying to discuss how to handle it.RingoRoadagain ☎  16:05, November 2, 2019 (UTC)
 * I haven't heard this story yet, but have the revelations of Planet of Dust and Day of the Master been considered? (Also, it's not inconsistent that the Master is in his last incarnation for multiple bodies, because he keeps using non-regenerative means to steal others' bodies at this point in his life.) 17:33, November 2, 2019 (UTC)
 * It's extremely up-for-debate whether the Master's stolen bodies count as "incarnations". They're not regenerations. But working off the meaning of the word "incarnation", they do seem to be different incarnations. Regardless of whether he was a regeneration or another Ainely-style body-snatching, though, the fact remains that the Gordon Tipple Master is equally possible as a post-Keeper of Traken pre-TV Movie Master.


 * I'm unsure how Day of the Master would affect any of this. Whatever it is, it will, regardless, necessarily be an "according to one account" deal, if only because it's predicated on Beevers having been the Thirteenth Master of the original cycle, whereas Legacy of the Daleks begs to differ. But also probably for other reasons.


 * (How to handle Big Finish's insistence that the Master keeps reverting to Beevers, while still allowing for the fact that we want to have separate Ainely, Beevers and Roberts sections in the Master's bio, is an ongoing problem.) --Scrooge MacDuck ☎  17:44, November 2, 2019 (UTC)


 * My main point was not about the semantics of what's an incarnation or not.


 * How it is handled now: the Master stories template has a section for the Pratt/Beevers pre-Traken (let's say "Beevers I"), for Beevers post-Dustbreeding but pre-Roberts (Beevers II) and one for Beevers post-Roberts (Beevers III). We know from non narrative statements that this short trip is after Traken. The last Ravenous boxset does not talk about the context of this short trip i'm afraid.


 * If no new info comes up then I think we should instead put it in the "incarnation unclear" section instead of the Morphant/Mastermind/Beevers III one: much like we do with the "Old Master" Tipple incarnation. And, as suggested by Scrooge I don't think we should use a redirect template when talking about this story since we don't know which section we would have to redirect to. (As far as I know, it is the only story in which we don't know which of the three main decayed master it is, so it should not have any further impact)RingoRoadagain ☎  23:53, November 2, 2019 (UTC)