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Deadname policy discussion
Hi, I read your edit summary. However, it does not supersede our policies. Before trying to diffuse the situation, let me mention that you do not help resolve this issue by threats. The standard answer to "I will have to take further action", in the words of Punisher is, "you do what you gotta do". This is not the course of action I am taking right now.

The issue of deadnames has come up some time ago. It is not a trivial matter. And you certainly cannot expect it to be resolved exactly the way you want. The solution, if we manage to respect each other enough to reach it, will be a compromise between the needs of the trans community and the needs of DW fan community.

This issue is currently under discussion by admin. Changing policy takes time. We need to figure out a way to respect the needs of the creative trans people without denying wiki readers necessary information. Now, mind you that one of the admin is trans themselves, meaning that we have all the understanding of the sensitivities we need. But this will require time. When a single user goes around and forces the solution the way they see fit (and further engages in edit reversal with an admin) makes the final resolution that much further away. This will not be decided by force. Nothing ever is. It will, hopefully, be decided by communication and understanding each other's position. The pages are protected until we find a reasonable and mutually satisfactory new way to credit trans people.

I am asking you and any other trans people that feel offended to stand down and give us time to make this decision in peace and quiet. Changing things without discussion will only take admin time away from this decision because we will be restoring the current status instead of thinking how to improve it.

If you really really feel you need to do something, I have a life hack for you. If you persuade Big Finish to change online credits on their website, we will have to change them here on Tardis wiki accordingly. You see, the reason deadnames continue to be used here for the time being has nothing to do with disrespecting trans people. It is because those are the only names a Doctor Who fan can find on the CD box and, more importantly, on the Big Finish website. We record the reality as it is. If searching for a name on the BF website yields no hits because there the name is completely different, then we have effectively misled the reader. It is unreasonable to expect a random DW fan to know every trans person who worked on DW and know how to find their deadname based on their real name. That is why deadnames cannot be dropped completely. We did remove boldface on the page you mentioned. We are thinking how to minimize the exposure of the name. Please be patient. Amorkuz ☎  08:42, March 20, 2019 (UTC)


 * First of all, thank you for keeping a cool head. It's very easy to slide down the vortex of hate. It's much more difficult to talk to each other while apparently disagreeing. Your message is forwarded to our proudly trans admin as requested. We were literally discussing the details when I received your message. We do not have any policy on deadnames at the moment, just a general policy regarding misspelling and legal name changes. Moreover, until these exchanges, at least two admin (including me) were not even aware of this concept, let alone of it being hurtful for trans people. We had to be educated by our colleague. Thus, our general policy on names did not consider special case of deadnames. This is also the difficulty of the open discussion: most cis people are not even aware of the problem. As some of today's messages show, the issue is extremely sensitive and often creates very forceful responses on the side of those affected, which may be met with incredulity on the other side due to complete innocence to the issues involved. So what we need is to create an additional policy on deadnames in a way that fits with our general naming policies and provides sufficient information for readers without misgendering trans people involved. Thanks for the link: I will be sure to study it. I understand that it's hard to fight the system. But maybe this one time, the system may work. Just give peace a chance.


 * Finally, your edit did make a difference. We admin are unpaid volunteers. Sometimes, our other responsibilities drag us away from the wiki. Your edit reminded us that this policy is lacking, and hopefully would speed up the resolution. Respectfully yours, Amorkuz ☎  17:55, March 20, 2019 (UTC)